The EV Detroit is Dying to Benchmark - BYD Seagull
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Automakers are dying to know how the hell BYD can sell the Seagull for only $11,500. Terry Woychowski, the President of Caresoft, points out a few of the cost saving tips & John McElroy takes it for a quick test drive.
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Cars like BYD Seagull meets the needs of 90% of global market.
Absolutely. And should be allowed on limited-use license in the USA. Like the Polaris GEM (ie. used to be Chrysler's).
@@johnmcvicker6728there’s no way Detroit will allow it to happen 😮
@@westwind2000”Liberal democracy” : protectionism
@@Western_Decline Like the kind trump used against China.
BYD It's the best EV I've ever driven
This is the one all OEMS should be scared about. Expensive trucks and SUVs aren't going to save you from bankruptcy.
Yes
It's never wise to put all our eggs in one basket.
@@mrjim1973
That's what happened with gasoline powered cars. Without diversity, we all will be left stranded when we run out of oil.
Look at the Citroen e c3 and new Renault 5. Remember electric cars with super car performance will lead to super car insurance costs.
@@whatnow9653
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Any Super cars come with high insurance.
Go look at BYD $15k cars and $25k Tesla model 2. The insurance will be very cheap.
If you didn't know, insurance rates are decided on the valve and safety of the car.
OMG. Finally i can find some honest review about something from China. Thank you for staying true to cars without politics. I hope I can get it in Canada one day.
Build it in a union controlled Factory here in North America watch the costs jump to 50K❤❤❤
The automobile industry is a national industry. Of course, it is related to politics and has an impact on the country. That is why countries with developed automobile industries either do not import cars from China or impose tariffs on them because of the impact they will have on their countries. From the point of view of the general consumer, they are cheap. Even if it is good, balance is important in the existing car market. If low-priced cars from China do not come in, that will be the reason I mentioned.
Ditto. BYD, Nio, Hongqi, Xiaomi etc. Lots to choose from.
@@user-dm8sh3qm5k And all the while, they've been happily flooding the Chinese market with their cars.
Sadly it's not going to happen anytime soon, Canada is not an independent country, it's subordinated to the US in all aspects.
I live in China and the first few times I saw this thing last year I was very impressed. It is very cool looking in person and for only $11,000 it is such a great deal. The US auto makers better wake up quick because this vehicle and others like it are going to destroy them if they don't.
There's no way they can compete with the cost base they have, especially after the record UAW contracts that will have an average worker making 6 figures by the end of the contract. So they'll give up entry and mid size cars and be forced to compete in the luxury and truck market. I'm sure they'll hang on to the truck market for a little while, but it'll be hard for more and more people to resist something that costs 1/3 of what they would otherwise pay.
@@eray9934 This car is definitely NOT for the US market. It will sell very well in Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe and South America. No UAW there. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
I will reiterate, Chinese pricing is not comparable. GM Renault and other Chinese companies have cheaper EVs. Renault's budget EV sells under the Dacia brand in France for €20k, but the Chinese price is $8800, much cheaper than this BYD. GMs Wuling venture had the comparable Bingo, which also doubles in price when exported. The same thing happens to BYD models. The slightly bigger Dolphin jumps from $14k in China to $28k in Europe, and at that price is not much cheaper than a much bigger made in Mexico Chevy Equinox EV. For other OEMs, this car is already "been there done that".
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Americans don't want cheap tiny cars. We already have/had them. They don't sell. Americans want big SUVs with all the blings. This is not my personal approval or disapproval. It's just a fact. Cars are very much a status symbol in this country. That's the culture. I can see cars like this being opular abroad though, where the culture's different.
With Cheap house Electricity/ Charging this car would cost Pennies to drive and own, and be the kids runabout,not everyone needs a GIANT Suv to go to Costco.
Remember we used to drive tiny Honda Civics and VW Rabbits back inthe day!😅
The Mitsubishi i-MiEV I drive is rated at 112MPGe. No reason this one wouldn't be as good or better.
I drove a Datsun 1200.
That was the point of the GM Chevy Spark EV. And even the current smaller-size Bolt. Other than its price now. Honda cannot even put together a renewed Honda Fit EV. People would certainly buy it.
the legacy auto makers are behind in EV tech, but they are advanced in media tech smearing EV. tho@@johnmcvicker6728
It's around the size of a Mini Cooper, at a fraction of the price.
The US car manufacturers have failed in every market outside North America. They have forgotten to compete, and rather rely on govt help to sell their vehicles.
They just don't care..it about stock price TODAY in the USA and that is it. Short-term thinking is the way.
what are you talking about Ford is pretty good in Europe and in Australia, can you provide any statistics to validate your claim????
They failed in the US also. if Mr. Ford was here. I could be wrong, but I have a strong feeling it would not go down like this.
The Saegull just launched here in Brazil in March as the Dolphin Mini. U$23,000 with a complementary wall charger. Sold 7,600 units the first week! BYD will begin assembling EVs from imported kits in ‘24 in olde Ford complex in Camaçari, Bahia.
They sold 3.500. The others give up because the price.
@@paulofelipe8060 According to data from the Brazilian Electric Vehicle Association, Brazil’s electrified car sales soared 145% in the first three months of 2024 to 36,090. BYD led the charge with 14,939 units sold, GWM was second with 5,735, while Toyota placed third with 5,049.
@@paulofelipe8060 no
Watch the price of the seagull triple to 33k to meet us safety standards LOL
US$23,000?!?!?!?!?! 😬
If this comes to the US, it will destroy any other EV competition
Perhaps, but it could also serve as the kick-in-the-pants the US auto industry needs. Don't underestimate China, but also don't underestimate the USA. It is protectionism that has made the US industry so uncompetitive.
Looks at sales of compact hatches in the U.S. and. 😂🤚 also outside of China these evs are 50-100%+ vs Chinese prices.
Also genius whose gonna sell it, service it etc?
This makes my 14k when new 2018 fiesta se pos daily beater look like a premium car by direct comparison. 😀
@@ericawong2135 hey genius real quick is it China or the U.S. who has higher tariffs on the others imported vehicle's?
Hint it's China who has up to 40% tariffs on U.S. imported vehicle's. Those damn racist protectionist xenophobes!👍🏻😀
When it comes to US, they will add $10 000 to the price.
@@4literv6 Fiesta is very poorly built, a BYD isn't. They're at vastly different levels and Ford is at least a decade behind BYD in EVs. Nobody is going to service it or sell it because it's not coming to the USA. Learn about the industry, start by watching Stella Li's interview with Yahoo. You've clearly never worked in the auto sector.
There are a butt-load of people just waiting for an electric car like this!!! Folks that don't need or want to pay for all the ridiculous bells and whistles of the other EXPENSIVE EV's!!
gotta sanction china so that elon musk sells his own cars thank you america
U.S. government is blocking any Chinese cars from coming - it’s going be a very long wait 😂
But they pay for bells and whistles on ICE cars. That's why the average car costs $48k. This car is tiny. Nobody would buy it.
@@darylfoster7944 BYD has cars from $10k to $230k. They have a lot of range.
@@darylfoster7944 they sold 200k Seagulls from April to October in China alone. There are plenty of people wanting this car.
I like how straight forward the video is. No sugar coating, just raw test.
I have a BYD Atto 3 Extended range, for 9 months now. It is the best car I have owned. The attention to detail, safe LFP Blade Battery, stylish and comfortable interior, and 5 Star ANCAP (European) rating were deal breakers for me. Also being able to open the door and just sit down, instead of climbing down into, or up into is also just right for me. Convenient OTA updates, 12.5" rotatable centre display Android tablet, and another driver display above the steering wheel (which adjusts with steering height). It is a great EV, very well made and a comfortable ride. Great value for the price. Cheers from Australia.
Deal breaker? Wrong term being applied 😬.
Go edit n edit fast 😊
Likewise mate. I have had an Atto 3 for the last 18 months: will never go back to ICE cars again. My son just got BYD SEAL a couple months ago, and he absolutely loves it.
Wait a minutes here, aren't you afraid the CCP might be secetly listening to your child crying in the back seat? This is too risky for me. I am American and we worry about this kind of thing.
@@thecsucihai For me as not american what is difference if China listen to me or USA which allready does.When i speak with friend off something in few hours i get adds about what we speaked all the time
Australia which is island have much more choice off cars then Europe ,in my country we have basicly only MG off Chines ,we have all the German EVs but they cost fortune ,ID3 is 45 000 euros ,ID7 60-70 000 euros ,GLE is 100 000 euros..and so on
Drove one of these at the end of last year,it’s amazing 😊
Drove a Dolphin, great for the price.
Dang that’s cool!
A 48k average transaction price for new cars in the US is not sustainable. I'm glad traditional OEMs are getting a kick in the butt to develop small, affordable cars again.
If it wasn't sustainable people would already be buying the cheaper vehicles which are available. They aren't.
🤩🥰 USA CONGRESS....NEED TO BRING BYD TO USA ...NOW NOW NOW!
perfect for a commuter at $11K! PERFECT. NOW NOW NOW! THE SANCTIONS are making AMERICANS POORER! BRING BYD, NIO, ZEEKER, XPENG, HUAWEI, GEELY, CHERY, ETC TO USA NOW! NOW! I want ONE. I DON'T NEED A HEADACHES OF A TAX CREDIT! NOW...I WANT TO BUY ONE NOW!
They kick their own butts. GM cancelled all the consumer-class sedans. Sold the Cruze plant, etc. Sonic - Gone. Spark - Gone. Volt - Gone. Ford just about stops all sedans/coups except Mustang. When will GM cancel the Malibu? Come on guys, buy that $76k truck!
We need Congress to print more money 😊
Need a bigger boot
The revised version now starts at USD9700 in China
Looks like a baby Lamborghini. That's smart of BYD. Lead designer is Wolfgang Egger who formerly designed for Lamborghini, Alfa and Audi. With 74 hp and $11,500 and you can still have some style. The splitter shows he has a sense of humor. My 69 VW Beetle only had 57 hp and was the same size. It took me everywhere and hauled everything with a folding rear seat. My generation was fortunate that the USA wasn't protectionist back then. I would love one of these, but I doubt they will be allowed to enter the USA. Politicians will tell you the cars are spying, but they willingly carry a Chinese made phone. Reverse engineering, like it's some UFO, isn't going to help our manufacturers produce anything equal anywhere near the same price unless they build it in Mexico. If American corporations keep doing that Mexico may soon have to build the wall to keep Americans from taking their jobs. Just kidding. 100% automation and no jobs is the ultimate goal and coming soon. Tesla calls it the machine that builds the machine, and every manufacturer wants it for every kind of product.
That's why Elon musk laughed they had ugly EV in the beginning obviously BYD took Elon musk seriously cause they respect him.
@ndukasmith he means it looks good I guess
Designer Wolfgang Edger is knower for sharp edge and muscular presentation.
It indeed resembles a VW/Audi a lot!
Yeah, a baby Lamborghini on front and a Chevy Bolt EUV on back.
Instead of a car company that started making battery-powered cars, BYD was a world-leading battery manufacturer first and THEN moved into the automobile industry, so they definitely know how to make batteries cheap (by far the most expensive part of an EV) and have the scale needed to keep costs down. I'm glad that BYD is now licensing their process to other companies here in the US!
The BYD blade battery is a fire hazard, and not repairable. The secret sauce is BEWARE
That's why it's so cheap. Made in China vehicles represent unreliable, hazardous, cheap, and not worth it unless it's a disposable product.
Spot on! We’ve been making cars for well over 100 years. That isn’t the hard part. EVs are computerized batteries on wheels. And, I’ve got a bunch of solar panels on my house. But I don’t own an oil or hydrogen refinery. With an EV, I will only very rarely have to actually buy electricity.
I hope byd will not be robbed by American bandits. After all, the United States will get whatever it likes, otherwise it will be sanctioned.
and to imagine a few year ago even the chinese dont want to invest in it because the name sounds like son of a b/ raiswd by a b
@@freeheeler09 Most of the solar panels also come from China, lol
Doesn't look like a Yugo? Not a Deawoo? I can't afford to buy groceries anymore so bring it on! I like it! We need it in the USA. Bring it please!
national security warning 😂
@@lovefromhuang they will never allow it to arrive in the US
Looks good for the UK market, for those that cannot afford a Tesla.
@@favesongslistTesla is overpriced just like the iPhone.
美国商务部长说有安全风险，中国会让电动车成为砖头，所以，请继续使用美国产安全汽车
In my country of Thailand, BYD and Tesla are crushing the competition.
What a pity Americans will never get the opportunity to own a BYD EV unless they open a manufacturing plant in Mexico, perhaps then, BYD passenger vehicles can be sold in the USA so Americans have more choice.
Byd build incredible quality Evs, I own a BYD Atto 3 extended range and I'm waiting to take delivery soon of my BYD Seal Performance AWD model sedan.
I guess with no vehicle manufacturers in Australia anymore, we dont have an industry to protect, so this allows greater choice and pricing for consumers.
As soon as I was aware Warren Buffett invested in BYD several years ago, I knew BYD made quality vehicles at a very competitive price and are going to be a major player on the global stage
BYD is building a factory in Mexico
I just drove a Dolphin. Impressed at what they’ve been able to achieve, And it even has some neat features my Tesla doesn’t have. If you were considering Japanese car, you’d be happy with a BYD.
If only we could import China slave labor, what a wondaful world this would be.
@@Bryanbkk BYD is Chinese
BYD has an excellent opportunity to build a quality product at a fair price. At least in the Us I don’t think they will enter that market. Most likely the 30 to 50k range. They won’t be competitive with Tesla or Hyundai at that price point.
Never under-estimate the Chinese. Never.
Sometimes
The Renault designed Dacia Spring (based on the Indian market Renault Kid) is made in China and sells there for almost $3k less (c $8800). Once it gets to France though the price jumps to almost $23k.
China’s semiconductor industry will shock the world in 5 years.
You're right, their ability to steal technology and intellectual property is boundless.
Ghenghis Khan killed 40 million back in the day, they still made a comeback.
the welds are better than my $55k tesla Y LMAO.
no they are not ... but if you want 4 wheels that wheel you down the road from a 9 to 5 it is a perfect fit.
@@MultiYlinI work in a Tesla factory. All of the welding is automated? Where can this supposed MY owner even see the welds. They're not visible unless you go underneath the car or take apart pieces of the body. Maybe the welds in the doorjam or in the trunk.
Very weird
Absolutely yes in the beginning , but since the completion of China's MEGA factory, there have been much fewer problems with welding, integrated sheet parts, tolerances...
Tesla is proud of its "simplicity"😂😂😂
But isn’t Tesla also produced in Chinese factories?
This is just the tip of the Chinese EV iceberg, the variety and the rate of development is just simply amazing
Chang Li truck EV only costs $2,000.
I come from Ebikes, Chinese are the leaders in E tech.
@@jaaklucas1329 - NOPE, Chinese cars lack Active Safety.
@@markplott4820the car in the video has 5 star saftey in EU.
The next best thing is a Volvo.
@@maxiejohnson8356 - [t has a poor Pedestrian safety & ACTIVE safety , Compare to TESLA.
This car is coming to Brazil this week. Is the most anticipated of the year. The one from last yer was the Dolphin ;)
Brazil's customers are all waiting for EVs, but the "local" brands are still playing dumb
Waiting eagerly for the locally made variants. Factory opens March or April 2024!
MAKE A VIDEO of BYD in Brazil!!!
Do you have any public charging in Brazil?
@@fatboy19831 Only at a few supermarkets, malls, dealerships and alongside some highways. All of them inside some other business because of theft and vandalism. Most are level 2 but several DC fast chargers in gas stations along highways. Improving fast
@@fatboy19831 not much, yet, but you can travel between major cities with no trouble.
I was looking at the Kia EV9 but I could get 6 of these instead, one for each of the family right.....This really is game changing.
well said!
Yesterday I was watching another TH-cam. A cashier said she cannot afford a BYD so she bought another cheap brand EV which cost her $4,700. She said most colleagues have bought this model of car. It is cheap so people earning below average can have a NEW car. No wonder most Chinese love communist party and are willingly giving up their freedom and democracy for the convenience of living. Most Chinese have house/apartment and car even their average GDP is only 1/5 of Americans.
BYD还有很贵的车型
BYD made the ‘no-extravagences’ EV, with some useful features, that any worker can use. If it’s durable and repairable - I’ve got 2 sons that need work commute cars ….
If it’s durable and repairable ... doubt
The scary thing about BYD is that while they were launching and building the Seagull, which costs like 11k USD in China, they were ALSO launching and building their flagship vehicle, the Yangwang U8, which is a massive luxury SUV with quad motor which can do tank turns and can is literally rated to float and drive across bodies of water for up to 30 minutes, and costs over 150k USD. Oh and BYD also launched about 5 more models in between the Seagull and U8, and has even more products in the pipeline, including a supercar and an electric pickup. BYD's engineering and production capabilities are no joke, and major western automakers are no doubt very worried about going up head to head with them now that BYD is really starting to export out of China in earnest.
@@tren133 BYD has over 90,000 engineers just in R&D. It would be hard for any other car company to try to compete with BYD on engineering.
@@tren133 And, looking in from the outside, we ask - How’d they do that? Or How many corners did they cut? Or what’s next? I agree, this is a call to MUST LEARN and MUST DO.
It's neither durable or repairable, it's a throw away vehicle.
North American vehicles are assembled from parts purchased from outside manufacturers. BYD builds their own parts and the price reflects this.Fords Rouge plant used to make their own steel and glass,not anymore. This is a great ,inexpensive useful smaller car. They could sell huge numbers of these.
Ford's "Rouge" plant. In Dearborn. But yeah, the Big 3 used to be very vertically integrated as well, and that of course has many benefits. But when the imports came, they could not compete, with their 1.5 million well paid UAW workers. So they began the outsourcing to suppliers which paid their workers a lot less. But they're already down to basically final assembly now, so I don't see how much more they can cut. It seems they were trying to keep battery manufacturing out of the UAW but that appears to have been one of the concessions during the recent strike.
You have to wonder, how can all that vertical integration transfer from China to Mexico?
How much of the content can be sourced from China before the tariff applies?
Will they have to build the batteries and most of the parts in Mexico?
They building soon in Brasil and hungary, Im pretty sure they have a plan by now@@davidmenasco5743
What Autoline should dissemble next should be the Seagull's archenemy in China, the Wuling Bingo. Which is a car we may actually have a chance seeing this side of the pond, thanks to the GM tie.
“Building your own parts” doesn’t necessarily mean cheaper or better lol. You realise people are paid millions to make this decisions and calculate what is worth it? You think you can tell after 10s of thought?😀
I'm impressed that it does not have those stupid huge rims. Though that fits with the notion of keeping costs out of it, I just like the idea that a buyer isn't going to have to be roped into another $1000 when it's time to replace the tires. An affordable car to buy, should STAY affordable to use.
Just eyeballing the caliper, you are likely can get away with 175 75/R14. Which was used on 7 gen civic. And tire at that size is cheap! Or you do an upgrade to 205/55 R16 to trade off some milage but having hella more of fun.
Availability will improve quickly as demand increases.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v car doesn't have enough power to move those 205 width
@@fatdoi003Im running 205/55R16 summer performace on my EM2 civic. The D17A is a little bit more powerful than this motor. Im sure this car will run 205 summer performace just fine. The acceleration will be not slow. But it will be lot of fun at conering.
Let the games begins! The consumer wins...(hopefully)
Your politicians are too corrupted to allow that. The legacy makers and oil companies will bribe I mean lobby against it.
All the elites in America are scared. They will do anything to keep Chinese companies out. Including smearing China as some sort of evil regime.
Not happening in the USA 😅
no a chinese car can be sold in usa
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This will have the same effect as when the Corolla hit the shores in the US.
Let’s see reliability, if it proves to be reliable, American car markers are in deep trouble…
I think you mean the original Toyota Corona, which was mind bending when it first came into the USA. The Corolla followed the Coronas.
BYD = next Toyota.
@@MC-ny7iwyour iPad ok? That screen is made by BYD who makes iPad screens for apple. They been making batteries for years as well as solar panels inverters. Like they said in video they make iPhone batteries as well. This car would cost more if they had the normal manufacturing setup with suppliers for parts so actually it's not cheap. It's vertically integrated that's why it's cheap
Assuming that it can get here. It's a great car, but I suspect legacy American automakers will be screaming from the rooftops for Washington to do something to prevent China from being able to sell this car here, at least at that price. The next few years will be interesting.
I can't Thank this Channel enough for showing the OEM's what is Truly Needed for the Masses.
Great point :)
This car is amazing. I do expect BYD and some other Chinese companies to start putting severe pressure on Toyota and Volkswagen, and maybe Hyundai and Kia, by taking many developing markets away from them.
On the other end of the spectrum, I would love to see Caresoft and Autoline do a little review of the Li Auto Mega. It's a new MPV with so much content, it is off the charts.
It has about 550 HP, is quieter than a Maybach S series, urban self driving ability that seems to work, has full Dolby Vision immersive cinema in the rear seats, air ride, and just about every bell and whistle you could possibly name.
And the biggest trick of all: It has huge range , and can charge from 10% to 80% in under 11 minutes! And I'm not just reading off the press release.
I'm gobsmacked because I just saw Inside China Auto (a British TH-camr in China) do a hands on review and demonstration. I recommend that video very highly. It's a wake up call.
中国产业链完整，效率是很高的。本身也有IT方面的经验，不像欧洲人，数字经济几乎被美国人”殖民“了。
@@pass3d My apologies, I cannot read your comment. Normally TH-cam would translate it for me, but there is no translation offered in this case.
TESLA is KIILING Toyota & Honda , Tesla model RWD is Cheaper to operate than Carolla.
@@davidmenasco5743 He said: China's industrial chain is complete and the efficiency is very high. They also have experience in IT, unlike the Europeans, the digital economy has almost been "colonized" by the Americans.
@davidmenasco5743 i guess he was a CCP member😅,he said how china great ,blablabla, 😂but of course, chinese EV is very good
This is probably gonna be known as the model t of evs.
That's pretty accurate
Henry Ford would be quite proud of it, I believe. People's car.
Indeed, but after it is repainted in black? @@catinbootsnow4267
So many parallels here to the 2012 Mitsubishi i-MiEV I've been driving for the past 8 years, which will hopefully last me long enough until small, unpretentious Chinese EVs like this one will be generally available here. Thank you for spotlighting this, Autoline and Caresoft.
The only thing I wished we could have seen was the amount of cargo space with the rear seats folded down. Do they fold completely flat, like in the i-MiEV, or the Honda FIT that's also in our driveway? But I'm glad we got to see the rear spoiler with nearly horizontal rear window underneath. The Audi A2 did something similar here: another car that didn't need a rear wiper because of thoughtful aerodynamics. In addition to saving manufacturing costs on no wiper, there isn't a need for a rear view camera. KISS stuff still works.
The Japanese have seemed to completely given up on making cars like this for the US market, even though they were really good at it. The Europeans could do it, but didn't want to be pigeonholed into being known for coming off as less than luxurious while still being perceived as too small. The US auto makers? Proverbial tail fins, land yachts and pickups, mostly. The Bolt EV, to be fair, hints at this sort of urban utility, but is still medium sized car that their marketing people only want to make larger (ie: EUV, Equinox EV, etc.)
This one will be more than $11.5K when it finally hits here, but probably not by that much. If BYD can find a way to make them in Mexico to NHTSA crash specs and sell them to Yankees for around $18K a pop, millions of these will be on the roads here. I hope they pull it off. We need affordable EVs like this for the masses and for being able to fit into tight spots in big cities.
The only minus on the BYD Seagull is interior/cargo room. Not too much room behind the rear seat, and the rear seat cannot be split folded. The similarly priced Wuling Bingo EV, the Seagull's main competitor, does much better in this area, and its cargo space is almost twice as big as the Seagull. However the Seagull still sells better because its platform, drivetrain, battery etc are more advanced compared to the Wuling. Wuling is very good at building cheap cars, but no one is even close to BYD's vertical integration and ability to control costs. These cheap Chinese EVs are going to be a serious problem for all major global carmakers very shortly.
Rear cargo room is small, but if I want cargo, then no 4 people, most of the time it's just 1 or 2 people and cargo space. Or if one's really in a pinch, put some cargo in the rear seats between the passengers. I can't wait until these are available in the U.S. Or at least other automakers learning from BYD and offering something similar.
How many times do you see more than one person, the driver, in a big pick-up truck? Just insane.
Yep and the Detroit 3 could have done it but they got greedy and Henry Ford will only be a mention in history books by 2050.
The 1st gen Bolt was basically a Korean designed and built powertrain, battery, chassis, GM designed the interior and console, seats. Everyone hated the seats. It still costed $27k MSRP, looked like econobox.
BYD is the best in making EVs from entry level to super expensive luxury ones.
I would buy one of these entry level EVs in a heartbeat for commute to work, shopping etc with short to medium range driving. It would be perfect for daily drive and charging over night at home. It would save a lot in terms of electricity than gas. I truly wish we can buy one here❤
Furthermore, even in an entry level car like Seagull, BYD provides V2L function, which let the car to discharge when you need the electricity when you are camping or in emergencies.
These are the type of cars you would want to own if you do lots of city driving or shorter distances,cheap and cheerful.
I would love to have one of these as a second car,just charge it once a month and use mainly for city and short trips.
About A$18k landed in Australia. The seagull would rapidly take market share in Australia if it meets our lower standards
Absolutely - at $18k, it would be the cheapest new car on the market too.
i bet the basic price will be A$19900
My Tesla MY SR has a BYD blade battery (made in Germany Y SR only have the BYD instead of the CATL). The best battery so far in a Tesla. Charges so good it replaces the need for the more expensive long range model
My dad brought a seagull, and its fun to drive on city roads, although its suspension is not so good, but in general it's very agile and very easy to drive. I drive an old Audi A6L, which still a better choice on high way. But in city these small EV are very cheap(electricity cost is one 1/5 the gas cost, although insurance free is higher) to run and easy to park and comfortable to drive.
I like how John was having a pretty darn good time throughout this test.
And then he invites old denying blokes on the next show.
@@lumtavon1952 There is a lot of stagnation in Michigan. Most auto execs are late 50s, thru 70s and stodgy. I think GM has to get rid of MR and MB to survive past 2030.
John had nothing good to say about Cybertruck.
@leguy Both are old-Detroit - likely still harboring some ill-will on Tesla. However, the OEMs have always been run by lawyers and bean counters and not visionaries. And the visions they create are many times never accomplished. So many really awesome concept cars and the execution is bland and nothing close. Tesla is like the team of engineers you know are smart working for the OEM - but who are unable to get their vision done because of upper management (Mary, Mark and friends). Ford impressed somewhat with their Lightning and Mach-e attempts. Last real impressive thing GM did was the Volt. Bolt was outsourced to Korea.
I have a Xpeng G6 755km range(wltd is 620ish)... fast quiet smooth, heated seats/steering wheel, preheat heat/cool car from phone a minute later is all warm/cool a must need in winter/summer, self park/drive, phone control... and I think your Tesla lacks: surround smart voice command(no need to say hi rear passenger say open window his window opens... and wifi.
drove 5000km cost was 1 tank of gas n minus endless maintenance costs..... never going back to ice luv me some cosy warm seats n steering wheel in zero degree winter.
Last week seen it in Bonaire 🇧🇶 Island. Haven’t seen that good looking vehicle before in this size.
Here in Costa Rica they started selling the car since last December, they just recently lowered the price of the Seagull to $19k, it probably will be the best sold car in the country this year. BYD has been in the top list of sell brands in the country in the past years. I have taken a test drive of the seagull (and other BYDs) they are very fun to drive.
$19k is too much for a car with an MSRP of 11k. What's going on? does your country have tariffs against china as US does?
@@caty863 Chinese prices would never be similar outside their country. People has to stop believing whatever price a car is advertised in China, there will be a similar price once it goes overseas.
This is the kind of "bread&butter" EV most can be happy with.
🖖🏽
Good to see cars made for everyone else.
GM to BYD "Stop playing" 🤣🤣🤣
BYD to GM "Dude, We're Not Playing!!!🤔😤😠
Looks like an electric Honda Fit to me. Should be a winner.
It's sporty, has a flat bottom steering wheel! I would definitely buy it as a commuter.
As an automotive enthusiast, I follow Autoline’s posts. And here’s why I believe American automakers should (and probably are) very worried about Chinese manufacturers:
Remember the USMCA, the trade agreement, specifies the local content cars need to have to be considered for reduced import tariffs.
Over the last 4 years, no less than 26 BRANDS of Chinese companies have started operations in Mexico. Lots of them, including BYD, have pledged to build plants here. The next step is obvious, isn’t it?
We all know this already. And the big 3 do too. That's why they have so lobbying group trying to get the government to exclude Chinese car companies from the usmca
Meanwhile US auto manufacturers have been selling cars in China for 30 years and make 30-40% of their profits in China. GM was only profitable post recession because of China. The classic, racist notion of you gotta buy my stuff but I refuse to buy yours. Not to mention Ford China currently exports cars.
UAW wants the trade agreement revised. I guess Tesla can forget about the Chinese market.
@@bubuneowoo6161 I’m sorry, I don’t follow your idea. Sure, the UAW wants to protect their influence and jobs, but Tesla already builds cars in China and will soon (eventually) will do so in Mexico too. What am I not seeing?
@@bubuneowoo6161 China has slave labor, no unions, tesla is already building there but being out cheaped by BYD.
All of the TH-camrs for electric cars keep overlooking that fact that the vast majority of American citizens who need a vehicle to do everyday things like going to work at their minimum wage jobs will be forced to keep buying gas cars. BYD is right, the US is against EVs just look how they treat TESLA. If the US really cared about the environment and its peoples health they would make it EVs and Solar more available for the masses (low income citizens). The systems in more than 48 states are set up to abuse it citizens by not only allowing low price EVs to be available for the citizens and they allow the insurance companies to overcharge low income citizen that want a safe and clean vehicle to have to purchase said insurance. So BYD even if allowed would truly have to sell their vehicle at their Chinese prices in order for the average citizen to be able to purchase their vehicle with full coverage insurance. Why can't Detroit build a BYD Seagull and price it for no more than $12,000, Detroit isn't selling anything anyone wants to buy.
I hope it succeeds just to end the big three ambitions with high prices ev and gas
It's smart to have entry level cars like this in a lineup. It gets people into the brand, and if the quality is good, it keeps them when people are ready to upgrade to a more expensive model. Develops brand loyalty.
Skippy taught them lean design and design for easy assembly. It shows!
lol piece of crap
This one meets 99% my needs. I can’t afford to pay nearly 50k for a depreciating tool.
Comparing with Nissan Leaf, this car has the same size, more functions, more mileages, but the price is half of it. Nissan Leaf starting price is 28k USD
This is a benchmark pricepoint; something that the Tesla "Model 2" will need to compete with. Well done BYD!
Tesla and BYD will have a race to the bottom with cheaply made poorly assembled enclosed lawn tractors.
Except the Tesla will get 250 miles of range and the battery will be around 55kWh.
@@Paul-cj1wbHe said this one has 255 miles range.
@413 That's based on China's test standard. That's about 160 miles in the EPA test standard. Tesla aims to match a Civic type of EV. One that will appeal to a vast number in the USA. Not a niche market like city driving only type of appeal.
@@Paul-cj1wb And "cheap" for Tesla mean just under $30K.
I think the vertical integration is the key to the much lower cost. The OEMs just need to adopt that model more. If Caresoft was able to get a Seagull into the country, it a guarantee GM, Ford & Stellantis have gotten a few to teardown and benchmark already.
yes
Vertical integration usually ends up costing more.
Vertical integration is bad!
Vertical integration with over 90,000 engineers in R&D alone. More engineers than Ford, GM and Tesla combined. You need a lot of engineering power to be truly successful with vertical integration when rapidly implementing technological innovation... Meanwhile, Ford is trying to cut its engineer count.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Tesla has a small fraction of the engineering headcount, but knows how to get a lot of hype from engaging with partners like IDRA. If you know what you are looking at, BYD isn't doing anything overly flashy for hype. Just a lot of solid engineering.
This was terrifying to watch. The domestic car industry needs to get ready.
Terrifying? We need this car to save us from inflation and bankruptcy.
so someone making affordable EV is terrifying??
Your government won’t allow them to get in, fear of spying
its national security risk, said by politicians，like Gina Raimondo
@@gyang6153 any evidence on that allegation 😂
If BYD bring this car to the UK in right-hand drive (and yes, preferably with better wipers front & rear) & sell it for reason money, I'm DEFINITELY getting one.
If they have designed the aerodynamics correctly it shouldn't really need a rear wiper, would wait and see how it looks like in testing.
You can see how the roof is almost like a giant hat above the windshield.
My bmw e93 car that costed 70k euro dont have rear blades
For reference: My 1966 Fiat 600, one of the bottom line cars of the 60s had a cost of $1,400, equivalent to $13,000 today. And that was a car with NO Options LOL. No seat belts, airbags, infotainment, power anything, and seats equivalent to lawn chairs. When is America going to stop protecting big buck, gas guzzling monsters, and let us have cars we can afford :)
Keeps the rain off your head going to and from home, shopping local motoring - an outright winner
This is a great example of what other companies should be making. Simplicity and quality. Forget all the autonomous driving BS, ditch the connected services nonsense, just make simple cars that are built to a decent standard.
There should be an option for lower content vehicles but not every one. Trucks in particular, a basic reliable work truck with a minimum of features. Just what you need.
They didn't even show how the center screen rotates from landscape to portrait.
Shut up, stopping spreading Chinese propaganda.
I'm already hurts that we won't get to have this affordable car in the US, now you are saying this same car center screen can be rotated.
Isn't that a luxury feature.
A sexy gimmick
I think that would have blown the older reviewer’s mind
rubbish feature that'll be the first thing to fail
thats the type of crap i hate about byd, just stupid "features"
@@elduderino7767 You want the screen in portrait when using navigation, while landscape is better for general control.
THIS Is what the american car market is missing!
Impressive for 11k! Do you think ANY UAW plant could replicate at double this price in an EV? Th
So Anericans like small cars?I dont think so!
Ford/GM etc.. stopped making affordable cars. Affordable cars is what Americans really need. @@brunoheggli2888
Normal people can't afford a $80k truck.
@@brunoheggli2888I do, I getting rid of my big truck for a smaller hatch. I want something that’s not too crazy tech, electric and decent range and charge rate.
No longer 11k+.. they just announced a few days ago the new Seagull is sub10K.
two weeks later since this video posted, it is now Holy crap! it's 9,700USD now
I had a 1985 Dodge Colt with 68 hp. It had 0 options on it. No air, manual transmission, manual windows, two doors. I think it cost me around $6,000. I had to drive about 700 miles a week. It ran on very little gas, maybe 50 miles per gallon if I recall. This Seagull seems to be the Colt of the 2020s except it actually has some nice options.
At that price I would totally buy one. Inexpensive makes it the perfect low risk first EV to buy. Especially while EVs are still evolving and depreciating rapidly.
Couple inexpensive cars like this and GDPR like personal data privacy legislation like they have in the EU and all of a sudden going 100% EV for new cars in 2030 becomes viable.
11500$. No oil. I'm sold.
Holy cow, that seems very nice for 11.5.
True! Not something I'd ever want to own/drive, but cannot beat that price for this amount of vehicle.
I hope we can see it for sale in the US
your congress is too concern about your national security
Those b******* in Washington will use a national security line once again to save US companies from competition outside of the United States.
they just released a 2024 Honor version of this model , it now costs around usd 9k now , crazy right
the united snakes dont want to remember that fairy tale that they defend freedom and capitalism because competition is good, they dont want to play that game anymore xd
Speechless
Why?
@@brunoheggli2888 How Americans able to steal a car from China lol.
And the reality is for the money, most would be happier with this , than all the angst of buying a car for $50,000
Thanks for reviewing this BYD, HOPEFULLY it can arrive in NA soon.
I WFH, this is a perfect secondary car for me to occasionally do school pickups, grocery runs, etc., when my wife run her own errands in our family car.
Took you guys over a year to notice the BYD Seagull and see one in person
Yup. Pretty scary though
Because they are in the U.S.
First car a 60 yo and a 16 yo is thrilled to own and drive… that’s success
I bought a BYD Yuan Plus in Mexico last year. Traditional carmakers offerings were all at least 50% more expensive.
This version of the seagull sells for around $20k in Mexico. Expect a similar price in the US, unless the American government is desperate to protect its uncompetitive SUV makers.
Do you live in Mexico or the US?
Puedes dar un Review sincero?
Se que no es el mismo modelo pero estoy interesado en comprar el dolphin mini (seagull) y quería saber si de verdad será buena compra.
Gracias!!
@@Loading....99.99 México
@@Joel-bh5xd OK, i was just wondering if you bought it in Mexico and brought it into the US.
Legacy auto was warned. Repeatedly
So they did increase their salary+ bonus to ensure they should not worry privately when their company goes B.
this is the perfect city car, if you live in places like NYC, Boston or DC.
When the salary is not going higher, and the repairs cost higher than higher, that is the car we need around town
Furthermore, even in an entry level car like Seagull, BYD provides V2L (vehicle to load) function, which lets the car to discharge as needed, such as when you are camping or in emergencies.
Can you imagine if Ford put something like this out instead of the Lightning? Something people could actually afford? This should be a canary in the coalmine moment for the Detroit 3. I live in Michigan and I am terrified that there's going to be nothing left of them in 15 years and it's going to turn Michigan as a state into Flint. Between their products/pricing and the corrupt stealership model, I think their days are numbered and they just don't realize it.
A small runabout like that, I'd be happy with 150 miles all-weather range from 85% to 20% battery consumption
Could you get it? The battery is half the size of the one in the Tesla M3. 80/20 is sub 20F weather, I'd be pushing it to get 150 on the highway. And that's with a heat pump.
The BYD seagull comes standard with a heat pump.
@@TKevinBlanc Great for a 2 car house.
@@themidgetsman Oh, sure, I agree. Or for a suburban dweller that can charge at night. I love little hatchbacks.
I'm just not convinced the range will be 150 miles 85/20.
Iron Phosphate battery, wants you to charge to 100% and probably 150 all weather miles, not too bad 🤔
Looks like the ideal inexpensive 2nd car for a household, but the IIHS has been on a mission to scare people away from small cars for decades. Look at how they treated the Smart ForTwo.
Totally agree about IIHS pushing people out of small cars. Every single one of their videos about small cars over the last couple of decades ends with "but here are bigger hybrid alternatives that don't sacrifice safety like *insert name of gas only subcompact*" even though the small car scored really well.
My small car's lower mass and hence, shorter braking distance, has prevented several accidents. Funny thing is this "second car" of ours gets used way more often than our "first car". The first one just gets fired up for long trips.
Also, remember, Americans are large... driving while rubbing is not appealing
When people have no money anymore these cars are going to be the only game in town. China has come a long way from those trucks that folded up like an accordion when it hit something. They've learned from the best and it shows. The west would be absolutely pants on head stupid to ignore this. This is a MAJOR threat and it looks like China is going to mop the floor with domestic auto makers if this is any indicator.
One has to wonder, what are links between IIHS and automakers, who clearly prefer to sell high margin SUVs and pickups?
The IIHS speaks on behalf of the insurance industry and they believe pushing drivers into an arms race (Bigger and larger vehicles) most benefits insurance companies.
We own an BYD Atto 3 is Australia. Fully loaded it was ~$29k before any subsidies. They are now selling a fully kitted BYD Dolphin (next size up from this Seagull; Golf size) for ~$24k. We do not get any entry spec cars in Australia (think due to strict safety specs) but it is a sign to come.
By the time Tesla has the so called Model 2 in production I think it could be too late for them.
要对我们中国人规模化制造，降本增效有信心。
nothing compares with Seal dynamic @ A$50k, U$32k
I do believe it's not going state side but it is coming to Europe. I'm looking forward to test driving it here in Ireland and it's expected to be priced at 15ooo euro. It's going to sell like hot cakes.
That guest is such a friendly and knowledgeable presenter. John is still Daddy, but this guy is good.
And most of the functions of this car can be voice controlled, like set temperature, turn on radios, BT, open/close windows, make calls, navigations et al.
This is a real 'retro' vehicle.....retro in the sense that it is a return to affordable, economical, comfortable basic TRANSPORTATION. This is not meant to be a status symbol but a practical 'tool'. Being a 'new' car it should also be more reliable than a used car for the same money. We need MORE of this type vehicle.
Wait… this thing has a digital gauge cluster and a Model 3 doesn’t?
When the Detroit Auto giants were laughing at BYD twenty years ago. Who’s laughing now?
Big 3 can reasonably count on Congress not letting this thing lands on US soils.
FINALLY! Someone has designed an ev I can actually own... said 4 billion people.
I like electric cars, and their engine compartment looks clean.
Looks good enough for general errands and wow so affordable & I believe it's a low maintenence car. 👍🏻
yes electric cost less to maintein, ICE cars need to maintein the big greedy selfish fish brands of the west.
Excellent, John. Thank you.While this particular model will not have enormous sales appeal in North America, it certainly issues a stern warning that cars the size and quality of Corolla, Civic on up are easily duplicated in EVs by BYD. I am not sure the regular car makers have enough time to go through the hybrid and plug-in hybrid cycles before the Chinese hit the market with quality EVs at ICE prices.
This is more like the Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris. The reason why sales of those are low is because that segment has NOT made any improvements in 20 years. This will come in and undercut the Civics, Corolla, and the Elantras as it's different in a better way for 10 grand less. Usually those that buy Civics, Corolla, and Elantras could get by with a smaller vehicle.
Watch the space!!! Big is not always beautiful or practical.
Many without kids love this
@@lumtavon1952 I think the comparison with the Chevy Bolt will be due too.
Here in México is being sold for $20,588 USD as an introductory offer for the entrance level model (4 airbags)
I have been eagerlly watching both this car and the Wuling Bingo, its closest rival. I would be happy with either.
However, BYD is already bringing this car to South America, and lo and behold, the price is now equivalent to $20k to $23k. Quite a steep jump from $11.5k. I think similar pricing actions in Europe have contributed to Chinese cars so far dramatically under-selling in the EU.
I'd expect some price hike, due to compliance requirements and shipping, but when it climbs much above $17k in the U.S., not only will it smack of price gouging it will also likely be matched by Tesla's future Redwood/Model2 car, once Federal credits are factored in. Even Hyundai looks to have a more substantial small car rival soon for just $22k.
I don't know about this first hand, but I've heard that the Chinese government subsidy that applies to these when sold in China, doesn't apply when sold outside China, and this is the reason for the disparity in the selling price.
If true, then it would suggest that it's not some kind of strategy to milk westerners for more money, which is how some might perceive it.
@@davidmenasco5743 No, Seagull sells for $11k in Thailand. I think it has to do with shipping costs. There is a massive shortage of maritime car shipping capacity right now due to the explosion of Chinese car exports over the past 3 years. Car shipping rates are super expensive right now.
@@davidmenasco5743不，中国对电动汽车制造商的补贴政策已于2022年的最后一天结束，持续13年的补贴政策，总计奖励了汽车企业约2000亿人民币（300亿美元左右）。其中比亚迪得到了最多的奖励，特斯拉第二。
直到2027年，中国政府将对本国购买混合动力/纯电汽车的消费者减免50%或100%的消费税，这项政策不歧视任何品牌，只为刺激新能源汽车消费，与贸易保护无关。
I want the government to get out of my way, let me have one !
The US government should thank China. If it weren't for China, Buick might have gone bankrupt today.
It could crush our Auto industry kill jobs, make us completely dependent on China and their politics, that's why government needs to be involved
You WANT the government mandated safety standards. This car would need upgrading (mentioned in the video)
😂, With Trump, it's going to be worse...?!