It's just crazy that Nuggets/Jokic fans have to make everything about Embiid when everybody knows that he's an injury prone player. Embiid is injured most times, Jokic is always healthy. That's the main reason different standards are applied because the individual circumstances are different. And of course Jokic team was bad these playoffs but so was Embiid's. Harden (hamstring?) and most role players didn't show up, only consistent player he had was Tobias Harris
They had Aaron Gordon, Will Barton, & Monte Morris, all good players but that's not enough. Now they got Murray & Mpj back, alongside Bruce Brown, Kcp, & Ish Smith. They're gonna have the #1 offense in the league especially considering how Bruce & Ish are great cutters.
I’m not even a jokic fanboy but I remember watching this and hearing him talk about the fact that jokic rides horses in his off time as if that hurt his basketball ability and made him a less desirable player
Honestly it stems from the crazy amount of xenophobia you see in sports media. Just let the man ride his horse buggy ffs. If Lebron or AD averaged Jokic's stat line for a season, there would be none of these shitty takes coming from these pundits. It's all because Jokic is a pudgy white dude from Serbia.
@@baradureye2170 His hometown is not a "small village", but I get your point. Edit: And he doesn't live on a farm... Come to think of it, you're way off.
being less flashy or less iconic perhaps? i think it's probably the similar reason some people putting Kobe in their top 5 or top 3 all time. It's ridiculous to say the least
he's literally one of the most dominant offensive centers we've ever seen, people just don't like him because it's not a run and dunk play style but instead fundamentals that are unstoppable. reminds me of the disrespect tim duncan gets
Exactly. The reality is that this Joker dude is one of the most multifaceted performers at the center position we will probably ever see. He won't ever be a Bill Russell on D but his facilitating and feel for the game is absolutely transcendent
It's not translating into any post season success! The nuggets pounded on the dubs all reg season & won every game, but could only muster up ONE win in the playoffs against them. I saw Murray in the"YMCA bubble"but......I need to see it in a real NBA atmosphere!!
@@theALMIGHTY987 2019 and 2020 Nuggets Jokic's first 2 all-star and all-nba seasons the Nuggets over achieved given expectations and roster, so it's extremely silly to blame him for not going further those 2 years. And now the last 2 mvp years he lost in the playoffs to the Suns fully healthy without Murray and Porter Jr. in his 2nd season and not even over 20ppg when scoring is his greatest skill, and this year lost to the eventual champs with both Murray and Porter out. Simple question: Name when in NBA history has a player gone further in the playoffs with less around them than Jokic while beating better teams to advance than Jokic? If you have any examples guarantee it was someone considered top 10 alltime.
@@juju-vl7oj SIR, that's too much to read 😳, If u think Jokic is something special great! He's on the clock tho', the teammates everyone said he needed will b back......it's time to show & prove!!
He is not american, he is white, he came from Serbia, 75% of US NBA audience can't show it on the map, he doesn't have social media, he doesn't talk s#!+ and don't campain. And some of the media and nba society are pissed, because they don't understand how can this man who can't run fast or jump high, destroy everybody. Dude just play the game like a genious and go home. That's why!!!
@@grief6052 Yeah, because somehow commentators think that athleticism is just about jumping high and running fast, but Jokic is strong, listen to what Miles Turner says about him : th-cam.com/video/N44hvW-1bSE/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like they need to go back to eighties, where a shorter, less strong white hick had 3 consecutive MVPs, and caused the best players in the league nightmares. But he did talk trash.
They respect Giannis cause they don't have anything to say about him anymore . They did the same thing to Dirk when he choked against the Warriors . It's the way media works with international players . Jokic will either be a steve nash or a dirk . If he wins a chip , that will put the slandering to sleep .
The whole take is horrible but I think the worst part is the fact that he really compared Melo to Jokic. I love Melo but he is possibly the farthest thing from Jokic. Melo truly did just 1 thing elite which is scoring whereas Jokic might be the best all around offensive player in the league. Not to mention his stupid point about having to run your offense through Jokic like that is a bad thing. Jokic is the first person you would want to be your main offensive option.
love jokic but he's not the best all round player , Giannis is , his defense is top 2 to 5 in the league while jokic on his best day is a mediocre defender
@@jonnstewart2023 I think that’s a little harsh on his best day he’s a terrific team defender who can get steals and defensive boards similar to a role that a traditional big would’ve played on defense guys like Parish or Walton.
It’s soo sad that so many ppl around the NBA are so xenophobic. Players like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic have been slandered for years unfairly. One prime example is mispronouncing their names, like as a person in basketball media, how are u going to butcher somebody’s name even when that person is the MVP of the league. They said that Luka wasn’t going to be good enough for the NBA and now he’s the best in his class, and the other two have won back to back mvps. It’s really sad to see this is how ppl view them, or maybe it’s just for clicks who knows
I see what you mean but you're a little off base: They don't hate the foreign players, they just hate Jokic for some reason. Luka was made the darling of the league as rookie. He was even the betting favorite to win MVP before last season started if I remember correctly. I'm not mad about that, but it's really confusing that the talking heads in the media think Luka is the next big thing while ignoring Jokic. 8 years after Jokic was drafted people making money to talk on TV can't say his (2 syllable) name right. And Giannis has been known by his first name for about 5 years, most folks think he's the best player in the league right now.
@@3steban427 i think it's a matter of play style. the lack of flashiness with jokić outside of passing hurts their tiny brains, and they don't care to watch him outside of highlight reels enough to actually speak on his play style objectively.
Giannis Final run isnt talked abt enough. Any other star dropping 50 pts 5blk in a close out game, having two historic moments (block, dunk), avg 35 13 and 5 would be the face of the NBA!!!
I’ve said it before but Jokic is in the middle of one of the very best, and I do mean like top 2-3 all time peaks on offense by a center. He’s also the reigning 2X mvp like why do people make out like he’s not even a superstar? Also, Jokic in the last 4 years has already won more playoff series then Melo has (3) in 19 years. That Melo comparison was dumb as hell. Jokic is a 2X mvp, potentially more, Melo never even made a 1st team all nba.
The last 2 seasons where we saw Jokic and the Nuggets with a healthy roster: 2019: 2nd best team in the West behind the KD Warriors, was 1st for at least a third of the season. Reached Game 7 of the 2nd round and narrowly lost. 2020: TWO ✌🏾 3-1 comebacks and made the conference finals. I can't wait for next season yall 😤 a Bucks-Nuggets Finals would break old media
@@nebur_ralek I feel the aspect of the nuggets we'll only get more info on as they play would be their defense. That offense is looking scary, not many teams have second third options that play so well off of their star, alongside the fact that the star is the back to back mvp largely because of his insane offensive package. Not even sure they had another shot creator this past season. Just hoping said second and third options can come back strong.
Thank you Low for being the voice of reason in some of these crazy talks the NBA media have. People like Ben Lyons just get in front of people and just talk, they don't think
True what an idiot. And so infuriating when this Ben Lyons guy said "I just want to bring some nuance to the conversation". MFer, as if you didn't just spew the most unnuanced, unthoughtful, garbage casual hot take of all time.
"It can only take you so far" ... like a ring? Back to back rings? When he says it can only take you so far, what is after a championship? I hope that his friends make him watch this everyday.
This dude is talking about Jokic having such a unique set of skills that it limits his team and doesn’t work with just anybody but you could literally plug Jokic into any team/system and he would DRASTICALLY improve that team. It makes literally no sense, he’s one of the best all around players in the league with the exception of his defense, which has been improving year after year, the man can give you 40 whenever he wants with 13 rebounds and 10 assists. His basketball IQ is literally on another level like his mind works like a fucking computer when it comes to the game of basketball. It’s all good though, I can’t wait to see what they have to say when he inevitably wins a championship.
@@ATF- bro what? Who are you calling casual they have a great core in place and I’m sure they’ll build on it throughout the rest of this decade. I’d be shocked if the Nuggets don’t win a ring within the next 5 years
I guarantee you, Rich Eisen called Ben Lyons up and said, "Thanks for filling in for me, but that take on Jokic was literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Good job of filling up the phone banks for three hours."
Give Jokic a healthy Murray and MPJ and he'll average 27/13/10, and the only thing stopping him from being the first player to 3-peat MVPs is the media hate
They didn’t want Steph (face of the league) to 3-peat because he had KD on 2017 even though AD & LeBron and KD & Kyrie both teaming didn’t hurt their standings. They’re not letting Jokic 3-peat lmao
With Murray and MPJ back healthy I doubt that Jokic will average 27 points, I believe there will be a small dip in his scoring, not that it's a bad thing, it's just the way he's going to play with them back in the roster, but I definitely can see him average a triple double for the season, with similar efficiency as always
@@srdjanpajic2404 Murray and MPJ have proven to be inconsistent. They may take some load off Jokic when they come back but remember how they disappeared in the bubble and next season playoffs? This will be a big problem for Denver since MPJ, Murray and Gordon can't produce even though they get all the hype. They take advantage of Jokic because he's too nice of a guy. Jokic deserves a better team so he can win championships. I say this as a nuggets fan.
You run your offense through 'melo, and your offense is very inefficient, run your offense through Jokic, you get a historically great offense. Oh, and Jokic doesn't look like a great defender, but he became a great defender this year. His advanced defensive stats are through the roof.
@@lucaswedderburn he was a liability at one point, but his defense has improved. I think it’s because he’s unable to switch on pick and rolls. Advanced metrics do say a lot however they don’t tell the full story sometimes
Just checked and the video is from last year. Jokic in 2022/23 season just lead his Nuggets to their first championship despite being robbed of his third seasons MVP. The naysayers who disrespected Jokic were proven wrong this year and with the way Nuggets played and if they stay healthy, this will be a Dynastic team.
Pray for this man, he must be going through it rn 😂 8:26 oh God… LOW could do an update on how terrible this segment from this dude aged so bad at nearly every turn.
Thanks for putting this together. Jokic gets destroyed by many media commenters. It is interesting that Jokic when he was on the court the nuggets had an extremely good defensive rating and off the court they were a below average defensive team. His on/off is incredible. The comments that Draymind Green says about Jokic. Has he said those comments about anyone else. Finally, I love your point about other great who did not win championships, ie Charles Barkley. Larry Bird played with Kevin Mchale, Robert Parish and DJ, allstars. Magic with Kareem and James Worthy. Jordan with Pippen. Shawn with Kobe. Tim Duncan with Tony Parker and Manu Genobli. Golden State, with KlaybThompson, Draymind Green and for two years Kevin Durant, When and I hope they Michael Porter and Jamaal Murray and if they were at least as good as they were when Denver made the conference finals they still are not as good as any of the second best players on the LakersC Celtics, Bulls, San Antonio and Golden State. This ccommentatator is out of his mind. Comparing Jokic to Melo. I am a suffering Knick fan and if the Melo Knicks had Jokic instead they would have been a world better.
It’s crazy because Giannis took his team one round deeper. But another nuance that the guy forgot is that Giannis faced the bulls in the first round. Jokic faced the GSW aka the eventual champions. Jokic didn’t go as deep as Giannis because his competition was better earlier on. SMH
Not to mention that Gianni still had Jrue Holiday. Jokic missed BOTH Murray and Porter. I would call the guy an idiot, but he unfortunately did his job and drew all the heat from the stupid take. He's just spineless.
Aye listen, I like Jokic and all but idk if even LOW agrees with that. My top three is pretty firm and I don't think Jokic can crack it. Not in order but Lebron, Giannis, and Curry. Not sure what argument he would really have to replace any of those three players.
I think some people still stuck in the old ways of watching the NBA, with all of the play for show and all. Guys with less flashy plays like Jokic and Giannis are being the undermined party nowadays because of their style of play
Just watched my Warriors win a title and host a parade. Make no mistake about it, Jokic was EASILY the toughest player I saw them play. They had no answer for him.
Green did a good job on him. But Warriors just let Jokic go off because none of the other guys helped and Denver was never a threat despite Jokic's 31, 13.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s always painful to see “experts” spew nonsense and most of the mainstream sports media takes it and runs with it. Your breakdown actually makes sense and I look forward to hearing more content!
Yeah how did this guy make it on tv. Low said it best, "this guy is dumb, he is dumb just dumb dumb dumb". Even though the take is bad/horrible, his reasoning explaining it is somehow 100x times worse. Like every word that comes out, the flaw in the logic is so obvious, yet he just keeps going and going. This is what stupid incarnate looks like.
The year they lost in 7 to the trailblazers, they were the 8th youngest team in nba playoff history. Not to mention they were an out of bounds call away in 4OT from winning that series. The only other season they were relatively healthy, they made it to the WCF. Then the next season after the trade deadline, they were the best team in the nba until jamal went down. Idk why people aren’t seeing this.
Its champions like you that keep me sane as a nuggets fan 😂 when morons like this who clearly havent watched more than the occasional game of bball are trying to tear Jok down. Channels like this need more love, or mainstream media needs to look at who theyre giving a voice to. Id rather listen to this man for 5 hours straight than hear a single thing from Kendrick Perkins and the scrubs they choose to hire at ESPN (with the occasional exception).
@@Nick-sr4fe 😂 Thanks. Me too. There’ll be nuggets fans out there making people eat crow if it happens, but I’ll be so content to have seen him prove them wrong 😁
I laughed so hard when you flipped out and walked away from the desk at that idiot saying he’d take Booker over Jokic! 😂 Great takes man I appreciate your basketball knowledge and passion for the game 🤘
11:28 "I don't think he can take the nuggets over the top as the best player in a championship team" Literally only 5 current players in this generation have proven that they can do that. LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, and KD.
@@user-pg4ij1vj3x Not sure I understand you correctly. LeBron and Curry faced each other twice without KD, Finals score 1-1. Kyrie was likely better than Klay/Draymond, but both the Warriors were much better than Kevin Love. So what does that say about the 2nd and 3rd best player?
I’ve never seen Jokic take a game off, consistently carrying the team especially at the end of games. Whereas Booker is a front runner and I’ve definitely seen him not want it when it came down to it (Game 7 last post season).
41 of the last 43 nba finals have featured 1 of these 9 players is VERY misleading. Its accounting for all their losses, and not accounting for the teams that beat them. Tons of great players being left off CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAMS.
I can't wait for Jokic with a healthy squad to put up insane numbers and get 5th in MVP voting purely from voter fatigue Media disrespect for Jokic is beyond confusing.
I swear bruh the international players are always getting hated on,Giannis,Luka,Jokic,Embid like what the the hell the last 2 mvps have been international players,but get no respect,it's just mind boggling
The crazy thing about jokic is, that he had an amazing season with the highest PER in the league etc., playing 33.5 minutes per game which is 34th in the league. Just insane productivity
Jokic carried the nuggets to play off appearance booker has not done that before cp3 came Jokic scored 37 6 8 in game 4 And scored 30 19 8 in game 5 Book scored 19 pts in game 6 and 11 in game 7
To add to your arguments what makes Jokic special is his passing. Pretty sure it's been proven that pass first players can play in damn near any offense. I think you stick him on any team and he will show out
I was doing school work and this video started playing and I literally had to stop and see when this was posted because I was like what the fuck is this guy talking about 😂😂😂
Jimmy Butler over Jokic? Embiid over Jokic? Embiid out in Round 2.Devin Booker out in Round 2. Luka not even in the playoffs. It's 2023 finals now and its Heat vs Nuggets, Jokic probably gonna win FMVP. Still wanna pick all those players over Jokic? Hold that L while Jokic is making history.
I just don't understand why people can't talk about Jokic the right way. He's proven that he is dangerous just by himself and given that he's accomplished so much without his teammates really highlights how scary this Nuggets team could really be.
The Nuggets had so many unfortunate circumstances happen to them. Untimely injuries have hurt them, especially to Murray and Porter. I really want them to get back full strength and see how far they can really go and with a good bench
This guy's take aged like milk. Every contender in the league is looking for an answer to the Joker problem. Shout out to the others watching in 2023
I just commented that hahahaha especially since Jokic beat Jimmy Butler in the finals.
Watching in early 2024, someone hopefully tagged him.. nuggets win the championship very next season
whats dudes name ? any one know ?
@@315giants If you’re talking about the guy in the video who’s “not a fan of Jokic”, his name is Ben Lyons
I am always amazed with the confidence these people have spouting nonsense, I wish I have that kind of confidence
It's crazy that people like to hold Jokic down because of his playoff success but don't apply those same standards to Embiid.
When Jokic has good teams he makes it to conference finals, when Embiid has good teams he gets bounced in the 2nd round…
Cause embiid actually Carrie’s his teams unlike Jokic
@@daniell5740 explain how that makes any sense Lmao
It's just crazy that Nuggets/Jokic fans have to make everything about Embiid when everybody knows that he's an injury prone player. Embiid is injured most times, Jokic is always healthy. That's the main reason different standards are applied because the individual circumstances are different. And of course Jokic team was bad these playoffs but so was Embiid's. Harden (hamstring?) and most role players didn't show up, only consistent player he had was Tobias Harris
@@daniell5740 without jokic the nuggets would be a lottery team this year
The nuggets had the 6th best offense last year and this without the second and third best offensive player … CRAZY !
Real niggas know bro, haters gone hate
And sure wasn’t because of Will Barton and Aaron Gordon
@@Nick-sr4fe sure it was not
With Aaron Gordon and 2 backups as their best offensive players outside of Jokic. Nuggets could be a serious threat next year.
They had Aaron Gordon, Will Barton, & Monte Morris, all good players but that's not enough. Now they got Murray & Mpj back, alongside Bruce Brown, Kcp, & Ish Smith. They're gonna have the #1 offense in the league especially considering how Bruce & Ish are great cutters.
I’m not even a jokic fanboy but I remember watching this and hearing him talk about the fact that jokic rides horses in his off time as if that hurt his basketball ability and made him a less desirable player
dat dont count
Honestly it stems from the crazy amount of xenophobia you see in sports media. Just let the man ride his horse buggy ffs. If Lebron or AD averaged Jokic's stat line for a season, there would be none of these shitty takes coming from these pundits. It's all because Jokic is a pudgy white dude from Serbia.
Yeah and he views it as an attitude problem, like dude jokic lives in a freakin farm in a Literal small village! 😂
@@baradureye2170 His hometown is not a "small village", but I get your point.
Edit: And he doesn't live on a farm... Come to think of it, you're way off.
idiot haters gonna say anything to disrespect. Joker is the most humble MVP
Lost a game 7 at home so he is not all time great… but doesnt mention that Jokic is 3-1 in game 7‘s in his career
dat dont count
That was also 5 seasons ago lol
@@jeezyhuncho2783 then Lebron coming back from 3-1 doesn’t either, y’all make no sense what kind of logic 🤦🏾♂️
curry aint a all time great too then
@@elijahguerrero4913 dude they cheated
Why do ppl undermine jokic and giannis so much.....
It’s beyond crazy🤦🏾♂️
Xenophobia
some people in this community are Xenophobic
being less flashy or less iconic perhaps? i think it's probably the similar reason some people putting Kobe in their top 5 or top 3 all time. It's ridiculous to say the least
@@robustbottlecap same problem with Tim Duncan
10:00 "2years ago I'd rather have paul george" 2 years ago was when pg13 lost to denver blowing 3-1 while having better teammates lol so ironic.
Pg 13%
dude's either racist stupid or a casual
Two years ago is where Pandemic P is born, hell why do these people have following tbh
@@prof.krastavaclee8795 💀💀😭
Doc rivers is a bad coach
he's literally one of the most dominant offensive centers we've ever seen, people just don't like him because it's not a run and dunk play style but instead fundamentals that are unstoppable. reminds me of the disrespect tim duncan gets
Exactly. The reality is that this Joker dude is one of the most multifaceted performers at the center position we will probably ever see. He won't ever be a Bill Russell on D but his facilitating and feel for the game is absolutely transcendent
It's not translating into any post season success! The nuggets pounded on the dubs all reg season & won every game, but could only muster up ONE win in the playoffs against them. I saw Murray in the"YMCA bubble"but......I need to see it in a real NBA atmosphere!!
@@theALMIGHTY987 2019 and 2020 Nuggets Jokic's first 2 all-star and all-nba seasons the Nuggets over achieved given expectations and roster, so it's extremely silly to blame him for not going further those 2 years.
And now the last 2 mvp years he lost in the playoffs to the Suns fully healthy without Murray and Porter Jr. in his 2nd season and not even over 20ppg when scoring is his greatest skill, and this year lost to the eventual champs with both Murray and Porter out.
Simple question: Name when in NBA history has a player gone further in the playoffs with less around them than Jokic while beating better teams to advance than Jokic?
If you have any examples guarantee it was someone considered top 10 alltime.
@@juju-vl7oj SIR, that's too much to read 😳, If u think Jokic is something special great! He's on the clock tho', the teammates everyone said he needed will b back......it's time to show & prove!!
its clear that "analysts" just want another Shaq
I don’t even think book would take himself over Jokic
Na book would
After this year's Luka special, Booker has no right to put himself above any of the top players
@@srdjanpajic2404 absolutely
I would ask for permission to his father Luka Doncic.
Book definitely would. But inside he would know it was the most Bigoted thing he'd ever done. ;)
He is not american, he is white, he came from Serbia, 75% of US NBA audience can't show it on the map, he doesn't have social media, he doesn't talk s#!+ and don't campain. And some of the media and nba society are pissed, because they don't understand how can this man who can't run fast or jump high, destroy everybody. Dude just play the game like a genious and go home. That's why!!!
That being said tho players on the court dont fuck with jokic after the morris incident he is rough as hell on the court lol
@@grief6052 fact
@@grief6052 Yeah, because somehow commentators think that athleticism is just about jumping high and running fast, but Jokic is strong, listen to what Miles Turner says about him : th-cam.com/video/N44hvW-1bSE/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like they need to go back to eighties, where a shorter, less strong white hick had 3 consecutive MVPs, and caused the best players in the league nightmares. But he did talk trash.
The disrespect Giannis and Jokic gets pisses me off.
They respect Giannis cause they don't have anything to say about him anymore . They did the same thing to Dirk when he choked against the Warriors . It's the way media works with international players . Jokic will either be a steve nash or a dirk . If he wins a chip , that will put the slandering to sleep .
No one is disrespecting Giannis is this 2018?
xenophobia
It should
what disrespect does jokic get hes -5000 to win mvp when luka, shai, and giannis all had better a season if anything hes overrated as fuck
The whole take is horrible but I think the worst part is the fact that he really compared Melo to Jokic. I love Melo but he is possibly the farthest thing from Jokic. Melo truly did just 1 thing elite which is scoring whereas Jokic might be the best all around offensive player in the league. Not to mention his stupid point about having to run your offense through Jokic like that is a bad thing. Jokic is the first person you would want to be your main offensive option.
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love jokic but he's not the best all round player , Giannis is , his defense is top 2 to 5 in the league while jokic on his best day is a mediocre defender
@@jonnstewart2023 I think he meant all around offensive player (pretty much great or better at everything on offense)
@@jonnstewart2023 I think that’s a little harsh on his best day he’s a terrific team defender who can get steals and defensive boards similar to a role that a traditional big would’ve played on defense guys like Parish or Walton.
@@jonnstewart2023 nah jokic is at least average on defense
It’s soo sad that so many ppl around the NBA are so xenophobic. Players like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic have been slandered for years unfairly. One prime example is mispronouncing their names, like as a person in basketball media, how are u going to butcher somebody’s name even when that person is the MVP of the league. They said that Luka wasn’t going to be good enough for the NBA and now he’s the best in his class, and the other two have won back to back mvps. It’s really sad to see this is how ppl view them, or maybe it’s just for clicks who knows
I see what you mean but you're a little off base: They don't hate the foreign players, they just hate Jokic for some reason. Luka was made the darling of the league as rookie. He was even the betting favorite to win MVP before last season started if I remember correctly. I'm not mad about that, but it's really confusing that the talking heads in the media think Luka is the next big thing while ignoring Jokic. 8 years after Jokic was drafted people making money to talk on TV can't say his (2 syllable) name right. And Giannis has been known by his first name for about 5 years, most folks think he's the best player in the league right now.
@@3steban427 i think it's a matter of play style. the lack of flashiness with jokić outside of passing hurts their tiny brains, and they don't care to watch him outside of highlight reels enough to actually speak on his play style objectively.
@@3steban427
The Darling of the league!?!?!??!??!??! are u kiddin...
@@3steban427 giannis is probably the most slated out of them. Nba media tend to overlook internationals.
Giannis Final run isnt talked abt enough. Any other star dropping 50 pts 5blk in a close out game, having two historic moments (block, dunk), avg 35 13 and 5 would be the face of the NBA!!!
"I'd rather have Jimmy Butler."
This take aged like the finest of milk.
/not a shot at Butler
I’ve said it before but Jokic is in the middle of one of the very best, and I do mean like top 2-3 all time peaks on offense by a center. He’s also the reigning 2X mvp like why do people make out like he’s not even a superstar?
Also, Jokic in the last 4 years has already won more playoff series then Melo has (3) in 19 years. That Melo comparison was dumb as hell. Jokic is a 2X mvp, potentially more, Melo never even made a 1st team all nba.
So true
Top 2-3 all time? Alright let’s relaaaxxx lmao
@@johnhancock1362 You’re right it’s probably #2 behind only Shaq from 2000-2002.
@@KleinpeterHank say you don’t know basketball without saying you don’t know basketball
@@johnhancock1362 almost a triple double on almost 50 40 90, i think that's top 3 seasons by a center all time why not?
The last 2 seasons where we saw Jokic and the Nuggets with a healthy roster:
2019: 2nd best team in the West behind the KD Warriors, was 1st for at least a third of the season. Reached Game 7 of the 2nd round and narrowly lost.
2020: TWO ✌🏾 3-1 comebacks and made the conference finals.
I can't wait for next season yall 😤 a Bucks-Nuggets Finals would break old media
Warriors are better
@@kohsmoger1567 too early to tell from a warriors fan
Buck nuggets finals is a must watch, a jokic vs giannis showdown is absolutely legendary
Ty no one remembers nuggets led the west for almost half the season. Can't wait for a full healthy season
@@nebur_ralek I feel the aspect of the nuggets we'll only get more info on as they play would be their defense. That offense is looking scary, not many teams have second third options that play so well off of their star, alongside the fact that the star is the back to back mvp largely because of his insane offensive package. Not even sure they had another shot creator this past season. Just hoping said second and third options can come back strong.
This age so well
Thank you Low for being the voice of reason in some of these crazy talks the NBA media have. People like Ben Lyons just get in front of people and just talk, they don't think
It’s for the sake of entertainment, it draws a lot of attention which brings them revenue
Ben is a disgrace to my last name
True what an idiot. And so infuriating when this Ben Lyons guy said "I just want to bring some nuance to the conversation". MFer, as if you didn't just spew the most unnuanced, unthoughtful, garbage casual hot take of all time.
"It can only take you so far" ... like a ring? Back to back rings? When he says it can only take you so far, what is after a championship? I hope that his friends make him watch this everyday.
Bruh i also lost it when he said he takin Dbook over Jokic
😂😂😂
This dude is talking about Jokic having such a unique set of skills that it limits his team and doesn’t work with just anybody but you could literally plug Jokic into any team/system and he would DRASTICALLY improve that team. It makes literally no sense, he’s one of the best all around players in the league with the exception of his defense, which has been improving year after year, the man can give you 40 whenever he wants with 13 rebounds and 10 assists. His basketball IQ is literally on another level like his mind works like a fucking computer when it comes to the game of basketball. It’s all good though, I can’t wait to see what they have to say when he inevitably wins a championship.
He's not winning a ring in Denver I hate to break it to you casual
@@ATF- L take
@@ATF- so? How is that a detriment on him as a player you “casual”? It’s a team game
@@ATF- bro what? Who are you calling casual they have a great core in place and I’m sure they’ll build on it throughout the rest of this decade. I’d be shocked if the Nuggets don’t win a ring within the next 5 years
@@ATF-LOL
This didn’t age well😂
A year later... Jokic a NBA Champ...Final MVP... 2 games up against the Lakers...Booker getting a 1st round exist soon
This didn’t age well at all! Booker over Jokic? 😂😂😂😂
I guarantee you, Rich Eisen called Ben Lyons up and said, "Thanks for filling in for me, but that take on Jokic was literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Good job of filling up the phone banks for three hours."
Devin booker couldn’t even make the playoffs without a 52 year old cp3, this man is sick
Annnnnnnnnd Booker is the reason Jokic hadn't made a deep playoff run
I mean Bookers team was god awful before cp3 got there
@@ATF- So, Booker caused Murray's injury?
@@penkima4923😂😂😂🤦
Jokic beat everyone he named on that shitty would you rather ☠️ love hindsight
Give Jokic a healthy Murray and MPJ and he'll average 27/13/10, and the only thing stopping him from being the first player to 3-peat MVPs is the media hate
Not even Lebron or Giannis 3peated Jokic won’t
They didn’t want Steph (face of the league) to 3-peat because he had KD on 2017 even though AD & LeBron and KD & Kyrie both teaming didn’t hurt their standings. They’re not letting Jokic 3-peat lmao
@@MasterInHD what if he averages 31 14 11
With Murray and MPJ back healthy I doubt that Jokic will average 27 points, I believe there will be a small dip in his scoring, not that it's a bad thing, it's just the way he's going to play with them back in the roster, but I definitely can see him average a triple double for the season, with similar efficiency as always
@@srdjanpajic2404 Murray and MPJ have proven to be inconsistent. They may take some load off Jokic when they come back but remember how they disappeared in the bubble and next season playoffs? This will be a big problem for Denver since MPJ, Murray and Gordon can't produce even though they get all the hype. They take advantage of Jokic because he's too nice of a guy. Jokic deserves a better team so he can win championships. I say this as a nuggets fan.
You run your offense through 'melo, and your offense is very inefficient, run your offense through Jokic, you get a historically great offense.
Oh, and Jokic doesn't look like a great defender, but he became a great defender this year. His advanced defensive stats are through the roof.
Exactly! Why do people think he’s a liability on defense? So stupid
@@lucaswedderburn he was a liability at one point, but his defense has improved. I think it’s because he’s unable to switch on pick and rolls. Advanced metrics do say a lot however they don’t tell the full story sometimes
Just checked and the video is from last year. Jokic in 2022/23 season just lead his Nuggets to their first championship despite being robbed of his third seasons MVP. The naysayers who disrespected Jokic were proven wrong this year and with the way Nuggets played and if they stay healthy, this will be a Dynastic team.
Pray for this man, he must be going through it rn 😂
8:26 oh God…
LOW could do an update on how terrible this segment from this dude aged so bad at nearly every turn.
JJ Barea is better than Jokic, have you ever seen Jokic lock up LeBron? Didn't think so
L troll
@@fazediamond5671 i mean i thought it was pretty obvious that i'm joking lmao
@@cj.9738 ik it’s obvious that’s y it’s a troll
@@fazediamond5671 it was funny stop hating.
@@fazediamond5671 why can’t he make a joke
They smoking crack, Booker was leading his team to top 5 draft picks before CP3 got there
Reverted back to his Pre Chis Paul form last post season during the luka special.
This age so well.
Thanks for putting this together. Jokic gets destroyed by many media commenters. It is interesting that Jokic when he was on the court the nuggets had an extremely good defensive rating and off the court they were a below average defensive team. His on/off is incredible. The comments that Draymind Green says about Jokic. Has he said those comments about anyone else. Finally, I love your point about other great who did not win championships, ie Charles Barkley. Larry Bird played with Kevin Mchale, Robert Parish and DJ, allstars. Magic with Kareem and James Worthy. Jordan with Pippen. Shawn with Kobe. Tim Duncan with Tony Parker and Manu Genobli. Golden State, with KlaybThompson, Draymind Green and for two years Kevin Durant, When and I hope they Michael Porter and Jamaal Murray and if they were at least as good as they were when Denver made the conference finals they still are not as good as any of the second best players on the LakersC Celtics, Bulls, San Antonio and Golden State. This ccommentatator is out of his mind. Comparing Jokic to Melo. I am a suffering Knick fan and if the Melo Knicks had Jokic instead they would have been a world better.
10months later he's breaking records and winning playoffs MVP
An MVP not being a top 10 player is laughable
It’s crazy because Giannis took his team one round deeper. But another nuance that the guy forgot is that Giannis faced the bulls in the first round. Jokic faced the GSW aka the eventual champions. Jokic didn’t go as deep as Giannis because his competition was better earlier on. SMH
Not to mention that Gianni still had Jrue Holiday. Jokic missed BOTH Murray and Porter. I would call the guy an idiot, but he unfortunately did his job and drew all the heat from the stupid take. He's just spineless.
"He's dumb, this is dumb, its a dumb argument, your a dumb" 😂 I also agree with this statement whole heartedly
I still can't believe people thought this at any point lmao
I’m so happy that you’re making these videos LOW, makes me feel like I’m not the only person that thinks Jokic is a top 3 player.
Aye listen, I like Jokic and all but idk if even LOW agrees with that. My top three is pretty firm and I don't think Jokic can crack it. Not in order but Lebron, Giannis, and Curry. Not sure what argument he would really have to replace any of those three players.
@@e_man2262 Jokic is better than Lebron and Curry right now
@@e_man2262 it's Giannis Jokic and Embiid/Curry rn, and Bron top 10
not in this order top 3 giannas bron nd kd
@@toxichoodie5459 KD is the most overrated player in NBA history. You're silly.
The irony of this a yr later is HILARIOUS!! Jokic beats the Heat in the finals, outplaying Jimmy by a mile lol
That analyst's take is looking reaaaal bad after the 2023 playoffs
Who is here now that he is in the final posting historical stats ?
I think some people still stuck in the old ways of watching the NBA, with all of the play for show and all.
Guys with less flashy plays like Jokic and Giannis are being the undermined party nowadays because of their style of play
Exactly it's that "hooper" mentality, shit so stupid
Dawg I don’t understand how Jokic isn’t flashy though. Like I could literally sit and watch watch Jokic make great passes all day.
Actually same for Giannis too. Dude makes hella of amazing plays
@@Nick-sr4fe jokic highlights are one of my favourites to watch
I really don’t get the narrative that Jokic and Giannis are “boring”. I mean are we watching the same highlights or am I just tripping?
a championship later....
Just watched my Warriors win a title and host a parade. Make no mistake about it, Jokic was EASILY the toughest player I saw them play. They had no answer for him.
Green did a good job on him. But Warriors just let Jokic go off because none of the other guys helped and Denver was never a threat despite Jokic's 31, 13.
Let's be real. Jokic would have two rings already if the league hadn't done that hit job on the Nuggets in 2020.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s always painful to see “experts” spew nonsense and most of the mainstream sports media takes it and runs with it. Your breakdown actually makes sense and I look forward to hearing more content!
Yeah how did this guy make it on tv. Low said it best, "this guy is dumb, he is dumb just dumb dumb dumb". Even though the take is bad/horrible, his reasoning explaining it is somehow 100x times worse. Like every word that comes out, the flaw in the logic is so obvious, yet he just keeps going and going. This is what stupid incarnate looks like.
Bwahahaha.....where's that guy now.
I'll take a Jokic TD over Bookers 12 pts all day, any day
This aged well
this aged well
The year they lost in 7 to the trailblazers, they were the 8th youngest team in nba playoff history. Not to mention they were an out of bounds call away in 4OT from winning that series. The only other season they were relatively healthy, they made it to the WCF. Then the next season after the trade deadline, they were the best team in the nba until jamal went down. Idk why people aren’t seeing this.
Our guy saw it and called it out
Its champions like you that keep me sane as a nuggets fan 😂 when morons like this who clearly havent watched more than the occasional game of bball are trying to tear Jok down.
Channels like this need more love, or mainstream media needs to look at who theyre giving a voice to. Id rather listen to this man for 5 hours straight than hear a single thing from Kendrick Perkins and the scrubs they choose to hire at ESPN (with the occasional exception).
And its not just about Jokic slander. Its about general good analysis and quality of content.
Dawg I hope y’all win a chip with him. I expect y’all nuggets fans to push some nasty agendas if Jokic wins that ring
@@Nick-sr4fe 😂 Thanks. Me too. There’ll be nuggets fans out there making people eat crow if it happens, but I’ll be so content to have seen him prove them wrong 😁
@@Nick-sr4fe oh you know the “iron giant version of MJ” comparisons will come out as soon as the nuggets win lmao
I laughed so hard when you flipped out and walked away from the desk at that idiot saying he’d take Booker over Jokic! 😂 Great takes man I appreciate your basketball knowledge and passion for the game 🤘
11:28 "I don't think he can take the nuggets over the top as the best player in a championship team"
Literally only 5 current players in this generation have proven that they can do that. LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, and KD.
KD? Anyone would win on that Warriors team.
@@CiCLoDoL I was just saying KD to be nice 😂. Didn't want to open that bag of worms
All of them had the better 2nd and 3rd best player
@@user-pg4ij1vj3x Not sure I understand you correctly. LeBron and Curry faced each other twice without KD, Finals score 1-1. Kyrie was likely better than Klay/Draymond, but both the Warriors were much better than Kevin Love.
So what does that say about the 2nd and 3rd best player?
4*, KD isnt well rounded enough for a carry like that
Damn this take aged horribly. Jokic won as the first option. The idiots who runnpodcasts
I could watch this man watch legacy sports media all day
I’ve never seen Jokic take a game off, consistently carrying the team especially at the end of games. Whereas Booker is a front runner and I’ve definitely seen him not want it when it came down to it (Game 7 last post season).
That guy literally shouldn’t be allowed to talk sports
41 of the last 43 nba finals have featured 1 of these 9 players is VERY misleading. Its accounting for all their losses, and not accounting for the teams that beat them. Tons of great players being left off CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAMS.
Name one player who had 3 clutch blocked shots in last seconds?Jokić has 3 blocked shots past season!So much about defensive liability!
I can't wait for Jokic with a healthy squad to put up insane numbers and get 5th in MVP voting purely from voter fatigue
Media disrespect for Jokic is beyond confusing.
@AEyeah man you're right, i guess since it is those personalities that's why it so annoying
He can only take the team so far! Yeah to a championship
I swear bruh the international players are always getting hated on,Giannis,Luka,Jokic,Embid like what the the hell the last 2 mvps have been international players,but get no respect,it's just mind boggling
11:28 *sips tea* this has aged well
His take didn’t age to well 😂
Now jokic won a chip so I wonder what he saying now that jokic has indeed won.
Just found your channel, big fan bruh, great takes!
The crazy thing about jokic is, that he had an amazing season with the highest PER in the league etc., playing 33.5 minutes per game which is 34th in the league. Just insane productivity
He really compared the best bigman playmaker ever with Melo😂😂😂😂
that didn age well
Just found your channel, great takes!
And you are absolutely hilarious 😂
Subscribed👍
Jokic carried the nuggets to play off appearance booker has not done that before cp3 came
Jokic scored 37 6 8 in game 4
And scored 30 19 8 in game 5
Book scored 19 pts in game 6 and 11 in game 7
Keep in mind, the Phoenix Suns were a damn car crash of a franchise during the 2010s.
To add to your arguments what makes Jokic special is his passing. Pretty sure it's been proven that pass first players can play in damn near any offense. I think you stick him on any team and he will show out
I was doing school work and this video started playing and I literally had to stop and see when this was posted because I was like what the fuck is this guy talking about 😂😂😂
I love you and how you voice you opinions bro. You one of DA realest dudes out there.
Jimmy Butler over Jokic? Embiid over Jokic? Embiid out in Round 2.Devin Booker out in Round 2. Luka not even in the playoffs. It's 2023 finals now and its Heat vs Nuggets, Jokic probably gonna win FMVP. Still wanna pick all those players over Jokic? Hold that L while Jokic is making history.
Man it’s fans too, I see international players get so much unwarranted hate it’s ridiculous
"It can only take you so far" so hmmm winning the championship?
Love how you commented that plunker! Greetings from Rhodes all love for Jokic and Giannis
Who even is this guy
I just don't understand why people can't talk about Jokic the right way. He's proven that he is dangerous just by himself and given that he's accomplished so much without his teammates really highlights how scary this Nuggets team could really be.
7 months later and Jokic is averaging 25/12/11 on 70% TS on the best team in the west
Thank you for being honest and open.
The Nuggets had so many unfortunate circumstances happen to them. Untimely injuries have hurt them, especially to Murray and Porter. I really want them to get back full strength and see how far they can really go and with a good bench
Can we come back to this take?
Imagine saying you would rather have booker over jokic now lol
Content is amazing, keep the vids coming !?
GOD DAMN LOW I BEEN WAIIITING FOR YOU TO POST
It frustrates me how smug and confident that dude is about such an embarrassing take. Who gave that dude a mic
The only thing I disagree with is Aaron Gordon he had a great season for his standards
I love the passion you give into your videos 😁
Crazy how much Jokić and Giannis has to do to gain respect, and even then they go above and beyond the media still hates on them smh
As my grandfather used to say: Some people are too stupid and unaware, to take what they say seriously!
Exactly and my grandfather told me the worst people are folks who don't even know what they don't know. So they can't improve😂
This dude, whoever he is, should be pals with Kendrick Perkins.
And Gilbert Arenas
Thank you for an actual legit take on this matter and making something worth watching ( as opposed to that dribble coming from the other side of this)
When he walked off after bro said he'd rather have Booker jajajajajjajajajajajajajaja
I promise this will not age well
You are correct 😂