@@alphabroncotwozero392Cause they probably thought that the military was going to treat them like VIPs because of their "immunity" to the virus. It was stated in the video that Nick and the group didn't even know what a carrier is, which is possibly why they decided to take the risk. Additionally in a safehouse dialogue, Nick did ask for a plan B, to which Couch replied that if Nick wants a new life other than the helicopter, then he can start in the safehouse; to me, this was a clear indication that the group didn't have a plan B to begin with, so despite the risk, they pushed forward with the plan.
@@Niko-pn8bl i think je meant the miltary is risking a helicopter and a pilot to save 4 possible carriers, not the survivors risking their lives to get to the heli.
@@youbaouahdi4358Precisely. The score is you either leave them behind to fight the zombies until thirst or fighting takes them, or you put two to four crewmen at risk of infection to secure four people in fighting shape who you don't really want too close to the rest of your personnel.
Nick also said "The zombies didn't shot down this helicopter" when he saw a crashed heli. Meaning there was some civilian shooting down the heli because there are some disagreement between them
i do believe that a infected/carrier civilian might have entered the helicopter (chapter 3 - Cemetery) infected the others onboard resulting to a crash and my assumption are that the military on the ground was informed of this information and resulted the mass shootings with the believe that the civilians had some carriers in them (chapter 2 - Park)
My theory, that it was a Compromized Rescue helo, One of the Passengers Onboard was Infected and Began to Attack or Probably Infect everyone(if the green flu was at its airborne "Season" at that time), So in Containment Measures, they had to Shoot it down before it reaches out the New Orleans Border.
@@yep-es9rpI think so too! Especially since the L4D2 survivors were in a helicopter crash themselves (start of Swamp Fever) after they were forced to shoot the infected pilot. In this case, the military most definitely shot it down as a means to prevent the infected/potential carriers from leaving the area. It’s also possible that this is the reason why the military began to separate carriers from non-carriers as a means to prevent further spread of the Green Flu (could be wrong tho)!
plus the way the "YES THEY CAN" is written, it's so large and aggressive and frantic looking, doubling over their own letters... one of my fav parts about these is definitely gleaning the type of person writing these messages and their state of mind... it's so immersive and deeply disturbing haha
I should also note that when the survivors are asked if they are immune, the military asks them twice, asking them "Are you immune?" When the survivors say they aren't infected, the military commander chimes back with "Negative bridge. Are you immune? Have you encountered the infected?" When the survivors answer yes, the military commander then asks our rescue helicopter "Rescue Seven, are you equipped for carriers?" The military knows the survivors are carriers before you get across the bridge, and seem to be equipping helicopters to evac carriers. For what purpose is unknown, but the military most likely has plans for all carriers, including the l4d2 survivors, that they may end up the same fate Nick jokes about during the Parish campaign. Specifically about being lined up against a wall and shot.
so they equip choppers for carriers just to kill them off? sounds like a waste of fuel when they could have just bombed the bridge as they were crossing it.
@@baloocallout678I always thought the carriers were mutated more on the superhuman side rather than the flesh hungry zombie side Like zombies tear people limb from limb but can only slap the survivors? Getting shot in the gut, chest or head doesn’t often get “Owch, cut that out!” as a reaction. Pipe bombs hardly do anything. Maybe the military didn’t want to risk them getting away by any means, you’d want to be awfully direct with that bomb drop and even then…
I get the feeling it's either a case of they want to figure out how carriers work to see if they can't immunize the rest of the survivors.. Or, things have gotten bad enough that the military's realized the only way to end the infection is to have the carriers become a kill-force to wipe out hotspots of infected activity. And/or needs them to scavenge for what few resources they can get.
At the end of "the passing" There is a dialogue from Zoey that says "should we have told them?" Meaning that the survivors of l4d1 could have told the l4d2 survivors what the military was doing but for some reason they didn't
Pretty sure that was more about telling them about how the L4D1 survivors were "immune" and that they wouldn't pose a threat to the second group. If anything, my whole view of that line is that despite offering to join each other, both sides were worried about infecting each other, which ends up being a never told truth they never learned.
I like how nick is the one who picks up on this stuff. He lived the life of a criminal before the apocalypse so it only makes sense that he of all people would be able to pick up on whether something is wrong. He even suggested to the group that they have a backup plan to screw over the military just in case his hunch was right. If the group actually listened to nick just this one time, they probably would've lived
I read somewhere a long time ago that apparently the L4D2 survivors were sent to The Caribbean to escape the infection. Maybe safe, maybe not. At least we know where they're at.
@@BoaDaSnakeMan I think Falizsek said that but i forgot which interview. But tbh that's just a cheap excuse to not make the sequel. It needs a proper closure or at least make the comic for l4d2 survivors to see what really happen after Parish.
@@patriotic_croatian1991 There is a fan-animatic series called L4D: The Return, which I think it’s a better closure to both L4D1 survivors & L4D2 survivors. It’s not officially canon though, but still a better closure to it.
I don’t think the military would just kill the survivors since it would be way easier just to commence the bridge bombing run and leave instead of risking the chopper by waiting for them.
The military didn't know if the survivors were immune or carriers yet. The military would only kill them if they're carriers, and save them if immune. Besides, the chopper wasn't exactly waiting for them. It was set to leave in 10 minutes and the military said "with or without you", so they just happen to let the survivors hitch a ride while at it if they arrive before its scheduled departure. (Edit: almost a week later, I'm still getting a lot of replies pointing out the military personnel saying they're using helicopter equipped for carriers because "they knew". Please read through some of the replies I've already posted. I'm getting tired of getting notifications of the same thing over and over again.)
@@isthisnametaken978 in the radio dialogue, the military personel asked "Have you encoutered infected?" and Coach said "Encountered? Boy, I am covered in zombie blood and puke and eyeballs and twenty other parts I don't even recognize. We are immune as SHIT!" so the military knew that they are carriers. The chopper could have left them for dead or bomb the bridge but instead still waited for them. That indicates the military have changed their strategy for the carriers including the L4D2 survivors after the event of The Sacrifice comic.
@@truonghyvu4704 That doesn't necessarily indicate that they are carriers. They could be immune. In the L4D lore, immune and carrier aren't the same, despite them having no visual and behavioral differences. The only way for the military to know is to check if they're carrying the virus in their bodies or not after encountering the infected.
@@isthisnametaken978I see your point but doesn’t the guy on the radio refer to your group as carriers? Right after confirming that they’ve encountered infected, he radios to the guy in the helicopter and says something like “Are you prepared for carriers?”
I feel that there is an aspect that is forgotten, the L4D survivors met an isolated military post running on outdated information set up by CEDA while having lost communication with everyone else and when they realized how the outside world changed after meeting the L4D survivors 20 days into the infection the problems started, in L4D2 the military was probably still playing second fiddle to CEDA as we can see in dead center, but over the course of day 22 to day 26 (if I remember my lore correctly) you notice CEDA is quickly shoved out of the way by the military and by hard rain it’s highly likely the military was still running on CEDA’s information blackout and killing carriers, but once they finally got CEDA’s intel on the infected they probably halted the killings, because if they didn’t why the hell would they halt a bombing run for 4 survivors if they were carriers? Unless the military is just covering it’s bases and wanting to make sure they don’t accidentally kill a truly immune person in that group after the fiasco that was New Orleans I don’t see them killing off the L4D2 survivors, they got lucky they got caught up in hard rain since it gave the military time to finally know what was going on after dismantling CEDA and getting all intel and rather than the military gunning down carriers, they were just killing off people who broke quarantine and stormed the evac points, while the 2 groups of survivors were committing violence against each other due to paranoia as the actual infected closed in because of some graffiti talking about carriers being the first evacuated
This is what I also firmly believe.. Millhaven was an isolated platoon while I am sure the Military in New Orleans were still in touch with high command. And I wouldn't be surprised the soldiers that managed to escape Millhaven (some did actually) must've fled to New Orleans. And I entertain the idea of the military using carriers as frontline soldiers against the infected, it's possibly the best solution in terms of saving important personnel while also finding use for carriers.
@@ryanthemostwantedfurry1281 Possibly its the best Idea to allow Humanity to survive this Zombie Infection as they can't turn into Zombies and is Immune and if the Non Immune get infected theres still the Good Immune Gene to keep Humanity going
i like this speculation. I firmly believe they wouldnt just kill them off so easily like that, because they could've just let them die in the bridge. at worst, they'll probably be separated once they land
I thought they got executed for a long time too, but I found out that this isn't the case. Chet Faliszek, who was the lead writer for L4D2 iirc confirmed that the L4D2 crew were taken to a cruise ship that the military repurposed to house carriers. Great video tho my man, I have an absurd amount of hours and still have missed some of the graffiti you showed in the video. You did a great job putting it into perspective how fucked up the situation is
@@cappytheoneLook up “left 4 dead 2 interview: Chet Faliszek” The timestamp is 1:24, in which Chet explains that the survivors are trying to get to salvation by getting on some cruise ships.
@@cappytheoneHe said it over a decade ago in an E3 interview, when the game’s demo was showcased. More specifically, he says that the survivors are trying to reach safety aboard some cruise ships - plural, so there’s multiple ships holding upwards of thousands of carriers.
Army of Carriers The military likely resorted to using carriers as soldiers The crew is possibly alive... I'm not even asking for left 4 dead 3 at this point, just something to continue the story.
That line from Nick regarding the dead bodies is interesting because it really highlights his character development. As the mysterious and selfish ex-criminal I would expect him to not really care about other people being slaughtered by the military. However, in that lines he sounds genuinely shocked and upset, and seemingly shows a bit of sympathy in his voice for innocent civilians being murdered like that. Maybe I’m way overthinking this, but part of why Nick is my favorite character is because he arguably has the most development from being a selfish asshole in Dead Center and early on in the Passing to showing more concern for his group and becoming a more sympathetic and selfless person. This line from him in the Parish really emphasizes how in a world that is progressively destroying humanity Nick, a former con man and selfish criminal, actually gains humanity within himself. While not related, another example of this is some of his dialogue in the final chapter of the passing. One of my favorite lines of his is when he says “sorry if I was rude before, you guys are alright” in regards to the L4D1 survivors and also says “I owe you one, Francis” after not getting along with him in the first chapter and complaining about his hatred of bikers throughout the campaign. It’s a far cry from his selfish and rude demeanor in Dead Center and really helps showcase just how much his character develops as he becomes more comfortable with and grows closer to the other survivors.
When you're an asshole, the bigger threat to you is a bigger asshole. Nick had his work cut out, but a military force treating people like Nick like garbage is what can make even the most self centered people upset and more willing to co-operate. It's still a good character development nonetheless, but even without it, I don't deny the fact that most people would feel disgusted at the fate of those survivors.
That is why Nick is my favorite. At first, he keeps saying "After everything is over we'll go separate ways" or something like that as he doesn't care about his team. But as the story progress, he becomes concerned with them and acts friendly.
@@WarmRepeat Two of his lines in the first elevator are "Name's Nick, but don't bother learning it 'cause I ain't sticking around long." and "Nick. Not that it matters, 'cuz I think we should split up when this thing opens."
What if this branch if the military wasnt executing carriers, they were executing those who weren't immune? If I was the head of an operation, it'd only make sense that to ensure the survival of the species, we'd need to ensure humans who weren't affected liced on, and that humans who could turn into horrifying nigh unkillable monsters like tanks in just a few weeks were no longer a threat in the new world. It doesnt make sense for them to ship carriers away but keep the normal humans in range of zombie incurrsions. Those weren't carriers.
It would definitely make sense if someone decided that. The virus is so insanely viral that it's not out of the question for someone to decide there's no hope in trying to prevent it from spreading and that it's better to make sure all carriers survive to preserve humanity especially since carriers can of course still die like any other human.
While yes, eugenics is the more logical approach, you have to keep in mind that you don't know if somebody isn't immune until it's too late... and those army officer guys might not be immune, and they would never be on board with a plan that also involves them.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltanthey prob keep a safe distance between the carrier and make a town called carrier town where most of the residents living there are Carriers and watched 24/7
One of the exchanges between the soldier and chooper pilot in ch5 is: "Are you equipped for carriers?" "Yes sir". Which implies that if the military really wanted to get them executed they would just leave them on the bridge since the chopper was already in a rush to leave. All I can comment on this is that the guys probably didn't know how many or if any of the L4D2 survivors were carries, which is something they would find out after they rescue them. The reality may not be as grim as you make it out to be.
@@MadWinte It would be more tragic if it was the other way around. If it's only Nick that is a carrier and the rest are immune. That would mean that the asshole "I want nothing to do with this" guy who even wanted to leave the party at first, but stuck with them due to circumstances and the party members slowly getting along with each other is the only reason they went through as much trouble as they did. If nobody was a carrier they would've been out of this hell by the end of dark carnival
@@lunatik4291 But would it really matter? Nick is a criminal and if he was fully immune he would still get in jail, so I dont think he has a good future either way
@@minus100iq8 you think in a world with this kind of pandemic, the law would still be applied and you would go to jail for your past deeds? Wishful thinking lol
The beginning of Swamp Fever was always strange in the sense that the Helicopter pilot turned, and the survivors argued and conclude that he must have been bitten. With added context, it now makes sense. The pilot wasnt bit; his proximity to the carrier survivors caused him to turn.
Your theory on the survivors simply being executed doesn’t make a lot of sense when you consider that the military specifically allowed them the chance to fight their way to the helicopter. The military was already planning on blowing the bridge and flying out before the survivors talked to them on the radio. Why would the military jeopardize cutting off the bridge and getting out of there safely if they were to simply execute the survivors?
@@jaredsingcol2967 False, Papa Gator (The Military Guy on the Radio, not Rescue & AKA the chopper pilot) asks the survivors if they are immune. "Are You Immune!?" "We Are Not Infected!" "Negative Bridge, Are You Immune? Have You encountered the infected?" The survivors will respond with yes, and he'll instantly ask Rescue 7 if he's equipped to transport carriers. They knew they were Carriers.
@@jaredsingcol2967 they did, as he explains in the video the soldiers briefly converse on if they have any transport available for “whisky deltas” which is their name for zombies. They knew they were carriers and specifically asked the survivors if they were immune
@@sauceman2885They never say that. They ask if the pilots are “seeing whiskey delta, or friendly?” before the survivors use the radio They literally never refer to the survivors as Whiskey Delta
I heard somewhere that there are Carriers, and there are those who are Immune. A Carrier is exactly what was said in the video; people who _seem_ to be Immune, but are in fact infected; they just don't have any symptoms or mutations, and can still infect others. Whereas those who are Immune are, well, _Immune._ They can't get infected no matter what, and because of that, they can't spread the virus like the Carriers. Meaning they're humanity's best bet, right now. It's possible (perhaps even likely) that the chopper pilot at the end of The Parish (or at least, whoever the chopper pilot was communicating with) couldn't tell for 100% fact if the Survivors were Immune or Carriers, so they treated them as Carriers for safety purposes. I once heard that, when dealing with strange substances or bodily fluids, you should _always_ treat them as dangerous/contaminated, simply because this is the safer option. Like the Church Guy famously said, "Better safe than sorry." And yet, they still airlifted them to relative safety, on the off-chance that they were fully Immune. Because if humanity is to survive an apocalyptic plague like this, their best course of action is to gather up as many Immune people as possible, so that they can begin rebuilding the human race. As for why some of the soldiers seem to be simply gunning people down left-and-right, that's most likely due to a combination of conflicting interests, and the breakdown of nationwide communications. Different military outposts are being increasingly isolated and cut off from each other, making it impossible to form a cohesive strategy; and even if there *IS* a nationwide strategy for combatting the infected, many of these outposts aren't hearing about it. So, these isolated military groups have resorted to following the highest-ranking officer they have on-hand, and all of these officers have different strategies for fighting the infected. Some of them have become so paranoid that they're shooting every human they see, just to be damn sure no Carriers get through, and we see remnants of that mindset in the earlier sections of The Parish. Whereas other officers are still holding out hope that something can be done to salvage the situation, and are still cautiously picking up Carriers, in the hopes that one or more of them turns out to be Immune. I mean, If all else fails, Carriers and the Immune can co-exist; since the Immune are (like their name suggests) Immune, the Carriers can't infect them, even if they wanted to. Obviously, this solution would potentially be a death sentence for everyone who isn't a Carrier or Immune, but it might work decently enough as a last resort.
@nafmaja5612 ngl, I kinda prefer that tbh. The third game being similar to the WWZ one, but still the same game, just with different countries and survivors. No level up, perks or specific character stats bullshit, just the same game, re-skinned and more areas and weapons added...
One of the early versions of Left 4 Dead 3 would have been that the survivors were used as soldiers to fight the infected. But it wasn't the left 4 dead 2 survivors... but rather the left 4 dead 1 survivors. I have no idea why Valve even considered this story line because the Left 4 dead 1 survivor's story already concluded, and the comic showed us that they don't trust The Army. Luckily, this concept was dropped, and Left 4 dead 3 was eventually cancelled due to source 2 being too incomplete at the time to continue development.
That makes way more sense if the l4d2 survivors were being used as frontline soldiers for the military. Weird side note but in the passing I found it weird that the L4d1 survivors never brought up the militaries executing carriers to the l4d2 survivors. Louis even says something like "we've had enough of the military" but doesn't feel the need to warn the l4d2 survivors about the military and them executing the carriers.
@@ImNotConz I highly doubt that the L4D2 characters are dead. Through the radio talk at the beginning, the military KNOWS that they are carriers, and if they were going to kill carriers anyway why waste the fuel and risk potential choppers and pilots? Why not just continue with the bombing? It also makes no sense for them to be testing any of them if they were starting to kill carriers, as why not just test the ones they had lined up and shot? Just makes zero sense in my eyes.
@@ImNotConzThere's actually a voice line that can play at the end of The Passing as the car escapes where Louis asks "Should we tell em?" and Zoey says "No, it's hard enough out there." I heard it as a teen when the DLC was still new.
The 2 soldiers in the radio were looking for exactly Immune survivors. I think they are going to really RESCUE the 4 survivors. and try to find a cure. If its the other way around. Nick would probably save his team and since he never trusted the military, I think that he will save his friends and make sure that the military will not kill them like what he saw from the streets of the parish. Nick is the Goat for this oml. But it is pretty dark that they are killing just people. rip
No, they weren't looking to rescue carriers. Rescue 7 had to be asked if it was even equipped to transport carriers at that time! They were the same military unit that was shooting carriers. Unless the left 4 dead 2's survivors escaped the military somehow, they were executed.
@@Eyeling they were looking for Immune survivors, even clarifying that "ARE YOU IMMUNE?!" and the plane was probably equipped to rescue carriers since its just a back of the plane and the soldiers in the front, even if its not i think it would do the job thats like the truck on L4d1 blood harvest. Sure they can be the same military that kills carriers but maybe they are the ones that opposed it and wanted to find a cure for the infection even. Its never confirmed they are executed. And with Nick not trusting the Military he probably would escape them just like Bill would've done,
@@daneddieloayon2701 They definitely were not looking to rescue carriers. If they were, why would Rescue 7 need to clarify to Papa gator that he was indeed equipped to transport carriers? It was a last minute decision to pick up the left 4 dead 2 survivors. Saying they were looking to rescue carriers when they were minutes away from bombing the bridge, and were already executing carriers earlier that day, is pure copeium.
@@daneddieloayon2701 Theres no evidence to say that these soldiers opposed killing carriers, nor is that how the military works, soldiers follow orders. there is, however, evidence that these soldiers were the same ones killing carriers earlier in the day. Why are there bodies of normal, non infected people on the bridge?
With this dark story and ending of the Parish is why I wish the devs had a bit more time to give the corpses, in chapter 2, human textures, to really sell that the military is killing and executing carriers.
idk if it was a time constraint problem as much as it was a censorship problem, like how there was supposed to be a crashed schoolbus in death toll. fwiw there are addons on the steam workshop to do exactly what you suggested tho
This reminds me of the devs notes game mode where they said they were gonna use real corpses to design the zombies but got too sick looking at photos of dead bodies and used potato skins instead.
I feel like it would have been less of a risk for the helicopter crew and a lot easier to just bomb the bridge and leave the L4D2 cast to their fate if they planned on killing them if they were just going to kill them later on, chances are it may not have been a happy ending for the cast, as they probably were still tested on but if they were just up and killing carriers they could have just left them behind juch like they did in Dead Center, but it would have been intentional in this case, plus they wouldn't waste time equipping military personnel if they were just going to pull an Augusto Pinochet and throw them out of the helicopter.
They took the risk because at best they get some carriers sample to work on the cure, and at worst they'll just spend 4 bullets. And again, they have been extracting people out of the city, as stated in the graffiti, so obviously they had countermeasures in place in case these people act up.
@@rnlansdownemobileAt worst, they spend more than just four bullets. If it doesn't go exactly right picking them up, they spend a transport helicopter, its fuel, a trained crew of pilots, and the weapons they're equipped with. And if things do go well they spent a lot of fuel retrieving the carriers, risk spreading infection via close contact with the carriers, and then food or medical supplies to keep the carriers alive for as long as theoretically needed.
"While the survivors' fate is left unclear after this point, the game's writer Chet Faliszek stated in a 2009 interview that the military took survivors on cruise ships to the Caribbean in an attempt to escape the infection."
Call me optimistic, but it's possible that the military would have the same perspective as the doctor from the L4D1 comic, opting to try and find a cure with the carrier's help. Part of the dilemma with those two commanding officers in Millhaven is that they were cut off for weeks from the outside world, so they had limited options, resources and information compared to the military encountered in L4D2's The Parish, who are much better equipped what with having helicopters, heavy ordinance and communications to an extent. L4D2's milirary more than likely had access to much more information than L4D1's, an example of this being how incredibly in the dark the soldiers stationed in Millhaven were to the infected's strength and power, to the point that the two soldiers guarding Louis and Francis didn't know that special infected even existed until Louis started telling them about them, and even then didn't fully believe them till a witch rounded the corner after the base started getting swarmed. Again though, this is an extremely optimistic take.
The counter argument is the L4D2 military is saving them so they can operate on them later for a cure. The doctor in L4D1 said there is NO cure, and he's only pretending to work on a cure so the people here don't lose hope and fall into chaos. I mean, how can you counter a virus that mutates DAILY? Even if you found a cure, by the time you roll out the damn thing, it might not have work anymore.
@@ImNotConzthere is evidence in the video that the military and ceda are extremely polarized on how to deal with immune carriers. It could very well be that there is an effort by some surviving military presence to preserve the immune to preserve the species. After all if the last humans are infected but immune then the risk of future infections is zero, the non immune can be seen as a dead end in this new zombie world. Tho this does rely on their children also being immune.
@@BL48.That's actually sick. Base on personality, Rochelle will be the voice of reason and leader, nick will be a specialist, coach and ellis will just go bananas, as always, riding them jimmy gibs jr. Autobot Car with a radio of 24/7 non-stop of how police tear-gassing elise's friend, setting aside a popcorn, a cotton candy, and a cross mark clowns stickers along with them jockey and chompski strap in a pilot cockpit inside of a helicopter made of chocolate, aswell with the midnight riders riding a unicorn plushie on top of the rotor blade and big fireworks green-screen display on the back
Hadn't heard about the term "carriers" up til now (obviously since I haven't dwelled into L4D lore) so now it makes sense that the rescue pilots in other campaigns and that one guy in that one church spontaneously become zombies.
My theory is the reverse of this. I think the military was removing normal humans from the equation, and evacuating the carriers. That explains the VIP treatment you get at the end of the game despite being asked twice if you’re immune, then they check if the chopper’s good for carriers. Clearly this is a paradigm shift where non-immune or non-carrier humans are just too big of a liability to keep around anymore on account of the airborne virus.
Not just airborne, the thing mutates DAILY, as pointed out by the doctor in L4D comic, and because of this, there's no cure. Because that's like asking you to win a game of chess while the board constantly shifts. The man has to pretend he's looking for a cure to not be thrown out, and to keep people hopeful. My theory is the military in L4D2 are more drastic, and will take more radical approaches to experimenting on the carriers for a cure. As the kids might put it: "The survivors were cooked the moment they stepped on that heli". You need to consider when one take huge risk, they expect huge results. So I doubt they'll save the survivors just because they wanna feel good. Them carriers are 100% going on the operating table.
I was rewatching the videos and this theory makes sense. Makes sense why the Midnight Riders who were possibly carriers, got evacuated first when the rest weren't... I think youre upto something.
Honestly if there is ever a true Left 4 Dead 3, I don't think they're gonna just say "Oh yeah, Coach, Rochelle, Nick, and Elis all just died off screen" just cuz of the uproar it would cause in the community. People love these characters so if it did ever happen I really think it would likely end up as something similar to The Passing where the old crew will meet up with the new crew and help them in some way. Not that there will ever be a trilogy anyway though.
I'd imagine the remaining Left 4 Dead 1 crew would try to Rescue the Left 4 Dead 2 crew... But it be pretty hard to make enemy survivors or military to fight against. The Survivors are pros in fighting the infected, but they would still die from a regular bullet like a normal person. Back 4 blood did it okay when doing those Cultists. But having to fight The Military or armed non-carriers could be difficult for them...
@@galacticfirefly6060 But that would make the L4D comic irrelevant, considering the ending is the 3 on a sailboat going to their island, just as Bill intended. Backing away from it and risk saving the L4D2 group they barely know for less than an hour would mean Bill's sacrifice was for nothing.
Picking up survivors who are clearly carriers just to execute them somewhere else sounds like a waste of military resources. To me they are attempting to recruit carriers into fighting the infected, just like that military guy suggested in the comics
I saw so many comments here thought the L4D1 group infected the No Mercy pilot. I guess they didn’t pay attention to him AFTER you started the finale. Because the first line he said was him gonna run late because he just had an “incident” and sounded very depressed/hesitant. Then later it pretty much confirms it “No Mercy it looks like you’ll be my final run” He was infected some time before even coming into contact with the group. They just happens to be there in his final moments. Heli pilot is the biggest chad in this franchise. Bro knew he’s not making it past that night and yet he still try his best to pick up the group. I bet normal ppl will just go cry in a corner and die.
There are three types of people in zombie media: " I've been infected. I do *not* want this. " " I've been infected. I have minutes to do as much good as I can. " " I've been infected. here, takes my shit. I want to go fist fighting the undead militia. >:D " One is much funnier than the other two and thus wins by default.
'NEGATIVE bridge, are you IMMUNE? Have you encountered the infected?' ALSO the way that 'Papa Gator' on the radio says, 'Rescue 7...are you equipped for carriers?' is like SO much eerier to hear now
I feel like if they did a comic for the Left 4 Dead 2 cast, and they were getting executed, Nick would say "You weren't that bad, Ellis" to Ellis (duh), or something like that, showing that Nick did sorta care for Ellis, just like Francis and Louis
There's another detail that may chillingly support this. If you remember being picked up by a helicopter after the Midnight Riders show, Nick shot the pilot and Ellis expressed his disappointment. It may mean the helicopter pilot turned zombie just being exposed to the playable survivors assuming that pilot was on his lonesome for a long time. I'm aware we don't know much about the helicopter pilot. ...also I suddenly feel bad for Virgil...
In Virgil's case at least, it is likely that he was also a carrier since he does say his wife turns, but he didn't and was still alive and kicking. As for the pilots, both in L4D1 and 2, man... they were unlucky enough to have rescued carriers...
Finally, someone who shares my opinion of The Parish. The character of Nick is crucial. He was a selfish survivor at beggining, trying to survive at any cost. Even if he has to left his partners behind. But in The Parish campaign, Nick was worried. He had doubt while Coach or Ellis were happy for being rescued. In the last safe room, he even try to make a plan B. I think L4D2 survivors are dead. Military and people were hunting them down.
So Parish has two definitions “a small administrative district typically having its own church and a priest or pastor” but I don’t recall a church or anything like that in the campaign. The second definition is actually specific to Louisiana, according to google, “a territorial division corresponding to a county in other states.” In the context of the game I think it’s the second definition, but I think it may have an almost double meaning as well when spoken. The word Parish is said exactly the same as perish which is defined as “suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.” This could be a subtle hint at the outcome for the characters, even more so when we consider everything we seen of other survivors in this campaign.
It looks like our “carrier” group was too important for the military to destroy. If they were going to kill them, they would have blown up the bridge or opened fire. Instead, the military tested them with the bridge, sending them through hordes of zombies to reach safety. Still, serving an army that considers you less than human is not a better fate.
you need to do more videos on the lore of Left4Dead you're literally the only youtuber i've seen that gets it, you obviously grasp the story and its depth. I've only ever played single player and specifically set out to complete it on expert in order to hear all the voice lines. I've played close to 200 hrs just trying to trigger ever line and find every message on the walls. I didn't even know about the bodies in the basement. We need more people like you to talk about Left4Dead, cuz the story was incredibly deep once all the pieces are obtained. I remember my sense of dread when the military asked the pilot if they were equipped for carriers, and how much I didn't want to cross the bridge the first time, and that feeling of regret and sorrow mixed into my victory when i reached the end was a taste I will never forget. You get it.
I dont know about the others but Ellis was taken to a place where he meets a cartoony looking russian wearing blue in a place that is a gigantic bed room, they come across Frank West and Chuck Green, eventually they fight a massive giant cat, afterwards they have a nice christmas
No they wouldn't be lined up and shot, the military would've just had the helicopter leave if that was the case. The military only separated and started killing carriers because they were trying to evacuate so many damn people and out of the handful of carriers that were roaming there were potentially thousands of regular survivors that aren't immune, the military chose the bigger group to save and cordoned off the carriers to keep people safe, carriers didn't like that and thought they were being left 4 dead(heh), which they might've or maybe the military planned to get them afterwards, regardless they made problems and were trying to break quarantine and risk the lives of who knows how many people. That type of risk isn't good and so carriers started to get executed. Another thing is that it's not necessarily confirmed if the executed corpses are only carriers, they could've been normal people infected that were just brought away to die in a secluded area to prevent it from spreading to nearby people, there likely was carriers in that mix but regular infected people need to be dealt with too. As for the current time, the military guy over the radio was VERY intent on making sure you're carriers, almost desperate in a way to confirm it and immediately checks with the rescue chopper if they can take on carriers, which evidently yes they can. I think the l4d2 crew is alive and well with no threat of being executed, the carriers were being executed because they exhibit a massive risk on normal folk but once all the normal folk are gone they're just another person that can't be with the main crowd, so that's probably where they were taken, a special base for carriers where they experiment on them to see if there's a cure or at least a way to stop carriers from infecting others. It could also be by that point that the doctor was right during the sacrifice, where he said the military hasn't realized the carriers "might be the only future they've got" and started protecting carriers if they can keep them away from the crowd. Ultimately we really don't know any truth, I at least would say for a fact they aren't just gonna be thrown against the wall and shot since then why did they rescue the l4d2 crew to begin with and take that risk? More carriers can be found after all so taking the risk with 4 armed carriers being brought to a lab wouldn't be exactly worth it when they can just find another carrier like they've been doing.
You left one crucial thing about the carriers is that in the Sacrifice comics the carrier's chance of infecting someone is completely random as one of the doctors/scientists who was also a carrier has said that sometimes the green flu spreads airborne sometimes through touch and sometimes doesn't at all. Means that either at first during the initial outbreak carriers where able to infect but as time goes on the virus inside them mutated into something else.
This was a fantastic video, very interesting and eye opening. I got every achievement in this game and never bothered to read the notes and listen closely to the dialogue. Really cool stuff
really good video! not much else to say other than a small correction regarding the "full scale zombie apocaylpse" line, from everything we can see in game and elsewhere, the infection is only limited to just the east coast of the US, not anywhere else, so bombing to kill infected actually makes a bit more sense.
It’s worth mentioning that Valve has alluded to the virus being spread worldwide in an old interview, but even if that is the case, it’s like just showing up in specific parts of other continents like in the US, rather than everywhere being fully overrun.
the revolting carriers actually did go through with their plan and managed to take out a military helicopter judging from the dialogue when the survivors see the crashed helicopter "zombies didn't do this"
I recall seeing something about L4D3 plot leaks (or maybe this is Back 4 Blood) where the campaign was a sort of Dead Rising 2 style “blood sport” to see how many infected the player characters could take out. Maybe the idea of using Carriers as front-line defenses turned into that concept, like a Mad Moxxi’s Underdome situation.
I do not believe they were immediately shot after being saved. Simply for two reasons: 1. That'd be bad storytelling. 2. They very easily could've just not rescued them or killed them there or blown up the bridge. Why save them? They knew they were carriers beforehand. They would definitely be tested/experimented on, but past that is a mystery. The variables past that are two many to get any sort of guess that isn't wild speculation.
My theory is the military in L4D2 are more drastic, and will take more radical approaches to experimenting on the carriers for a cure. You need to consider when one take huge risk, they expect huge results. And Papa Gator took a huge risk here. So I doubt they're saving the survivors just because they wanna feel good. Them carriers are 100% going on the operating table.
apparently telltale was supposed to make a L4D series instead of TWD. i would’ve loved to see the survivor’s perspective of the breakout, we technically already had the carriers. seeing people _wanting_ to quarantine and agreeing with the military truly makes me wonder what i would do in this situation. i’m almost positive i wouldn’t be a carrier because the chances are like what, basically 1 in a million? i think i’d have to agree with the survivors that _wanted_ carriers dead, i was a strong advocate for the covid quarantine but i was also a firm believer that our bodies would adjust to it. there’s no way in hell our bodies would adjust to the green flu
Despite Nick coming off as a mean person along with the fact of being a criminal, he is honestly the smartest person in the whole Left 4 Dead 2 group. He saw those dead bodies which were *NOT* infected (they were carriers like them), and knew what happened to them. Due to this, he didn't trust this plan the crew had and that the military would be forgiving. He probably had the idea of them being carriers despite not know what it actually is himself. He only followed the crews' Plan A because he was voted out on the idea of a Plan B and knew he would be zombie meat if he chose to go through it alone.
Thats a great video!! Thank you, somehow my whole story connection with L4D1 and L4D2 is gone since no cutscenes and it was always about rushing to the saferoom. However I can assure you that at least Coach survived as Ive seen him in numerous Blender 3d animations, therefore the military probably gave him a gig in movie productions. Also these story parts will be fun to chase down with the VR Mod, thank you! : )
I agree with everything you said except for the theory on what happened to the survivors after they crossed the bridge. If they were going to kill them, wouldn’t they just blow up the bridge? It’d be safer anyways.
On the bright side, they get to keep their weapons, if they’re not so trusting of the military, (which nick’s dialogue heavily suggests) perhaps they could escape the base (unlikely) or even force a helicopter crash by gunning through the wall between them and the pilot. They’ve already survived one crash. Maybe they can another.
Honestly I wish we got to see more of this mini 3 way war between the Military, the Survivors and the Carriers and eventually the Infected because by the few accounts we get from the graffiti New Orleans was practically a warzone before our little group shows up.
The thing I loved with the whole L4D2 story was due to the narrative of the first and last campaigns, it feels like you're chasing after the military. Yeah, if they did die, it was after tests. Literally zero reason to ask the survivors if they were immune and when the answer was yes, to endanger one of their helicopter crews and hold off on the bombing run to save them. If the military was just going to kill them, they'd have not replied and just bombed the bridge. 4:05 Or you could say you've been... *puts on shades* Left 4 Dead YEAAAAAAAAH
i never thought about the fact the survivors just don’t know about carriers or anything, and the l4d1 survivors only weren’t executed because they got insanely lucky and still managed to not die on the way out i imagine 2’s story was written to end on a cliff hanger with no canon ending but it’s more than likely they were taken to a lab and either live a living hell or were executed soon after
i’m pretty sure too both games take place basically at the same time, assuming l4d1 doesnt exist anymore and the l4d2 versions of it are the canon version but you can argue for no mercy taking place the night before dead center (imo) and the whole story is just over the course of a couple days with food and sleep in between gameplay of the campaign
@@qje3204No Mercy, Crash Course, and Death Toll take place on the same night (With Death Toll ending before sunrise on the next day) Dead Air takes place the same day at night, after the survivors rested for the day. Blood Harvest takes place at dawn another day later. The comic takes place over the next 2-3 days, and The Sacrifice takes place almost an entire week later. The L4D2 campaigns are less clear, but Dead Center takes place around The Sacrifice, up to 2 days earlier or later. The Passing and Dark Carnival take place a day later. Swamp Fever takes place at dawn of the next day, followed by Hard Rain and The Parish taking place later on the same day.
yeah, l4d2 is an amazing game for when it was created and the fact it has a story with the whole comics n shit shows a lot of care for attention to detail
While the possibility of the survivors getting tested on and, well, disposed of after their use has ran out is plausible, there is no way that the Military would literally tell their last helicopter to wait for the survivors to board it if their intention was to eliminate carriers, as that would just waste their resources and could as well as start their bombing run immediately. Also, it can be assumed that the Military stopped acting as one whole being but posted their own versions of Martial Law in each outpost when communications with their Command has gone dark if not between other outposts as well. Even CEDA had their input in the Military's perception of the infection which probably influenced their choice to try and research people at Millhaven. The graffiti in The Parish hints at carriers being shipped out right away while people which are not immune.. well, get left behind or meet a worse fate like at the Checkpoint in the Park level. The survivors mention that they are people but you don't know if they truly are carriers or not, it could have been other survivors who were fed up with Carriers being evacuated instead of people who arrived long time ago or even lived in New Orleans, which explains the escalating hate towards Carriers. If anything, L4D2 takes place a little later than L4D1 so it could likely be that mostly immune people remain alive, hence why Virgil doesn't turn and stays for 3 chapters or the military asking specifically if you are immune. L4D3 was also meant to be an open-world game with class-based gameplay set in Morocco. Whether it tied in with the story regarding immune characters trying to secure some kind of place to stay in / gather supplies or was just another story of 4 people trapped in there I don't really know. I could also just be looking way too deeply into this and the graffiti between chapters is just inconsistent because the game only had like 1 year of development.
Yeah, its possible that the military outpost already fell during the events of the week prior to the L4D2 survivors getting there and the people you are talking to are the remaining military personnel who ended up being immune, now "carriers" themselves. Or they are simply dwindling in numbers and now desperate enough that they've decided to start working together with carriers to, if not research some kind of cure, then at least give humanity some sort of shot at survival through these carriers.
2:04 Yeah , there’s survivors before recently in safe room (They later got killed or shot by militia , starved to death "for days" while escaping) Most of them would get infected (very sad that they aren’t immune like the L4D2 players ~the Four are totally immune)
Given that the military asks repeatedly if you had encountered the infected, and when you confirm, the helicopter rescue is asked if they are "equipped for carriers", they definitely know the group are carriers. Yet they are still evacing you for... SOME purpose. But there's no reason to evac you just to kill you, when they could easily just let the helicopter leave, blow the bridge, and wait for the infected to overrun you now that you've got nowhere to go. The fact that they're willing to evac you at all hints that they're either still trying to find a way to cure carriers, or they're going to put you to use. Either way, likely not executing you, since there's no reason to save you in the first place when they could've just bombed the bridge a minute early and been done with it.
I just read The Sacrifice comic for the first time today and was reminded how good the story is in Left 4 Dead. In true Valve fashion, a lot of it is hidden away and open to interpretation but enough is there to keep you interested. RIP Bill man…
I don't think the L4D2 survivors died by the military, if the military wanted them death, why have an helicopter waiting for them? They could just explode the bridge and let them die, there was an interest in keeping them safe, hope they continue the story in another comic
Let’s not forget after the rescue from Dark Carnival and the first part of the Swamp Fever campaign where they were inside a train car, the survivors briefly argued argued about how Nick shot the pilot because he was infected. This was a strong indication about them being carriers; that when they got rescued, the pilot possibly got infected by them because they are indeed carriers.
@@RandomFurry07 probably more uncommon? Since the people immune to the green flu are based on their blood? DNA? So there's a possibility that the entire bloodline of this one specific family is immune fully but either died to their wounds or others or still surviving
Bill had the right idea, going to an Island far away from everyone was for the best Zoey may have not liked it but the events of the Parish showed how wise Bill was when thinking of the long-term implications of how the world was shaping out They were all carriers and by the events of the parish it was Carriers against the zombies, the uninfected and the Military, Louis even comments on how whatever comes next the world won't want people like them around and the Island is their best shot and even Francis was sick of the Military by then, Zoey may have wanted to help but i don't think her help was wanted, and who knows if they would've joined the piles of bodies all of New Orleans or not had Bill not pushed for them to get out of dodge when he did The L4D1 survivors definitely made the right call not going with the L4D2 survivors
It also foreshadows this aspect of the Green Flu during the transition between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever. Nick Shoots the pilot after he was said to have turned into a zombie; due to his proximity of the Carrier survivors.
B is highly improbable. a cargo helicopter and the personnel with the skill to operate it? they aren't risking losing these to give 4 people a ride to a firing squad when they could just let them get killed by zombies. the fact they are willing to risk losing the limited resources they have to get these survivors means that they have some value to them, and the fact that they were just straight up shooting the carriers up until this point means something has changed. from the perspective of the writers, i think they would take the story in a different route than they did for the original l4d survivors, and not just have a repeat of the comic.
The part that mentions the idea of using Carriers as the front line brings up an interesting precedent. It makes me feel like BACK4BLOOD is the reality where this plan was carried out as the CLEANERS were carriers that could not get infected and was utilized by the government and military as the front line to reclaiming territory.
Consider the following; The military has obviously been killing carriers if not the uninfected as well. Rescue 7 and Papa Gator confirm that the crew are carriers and they have encountered the infected. Then we must ask; why would Rescue 7 wait for them? Why would the military risk themselves to save people they have been ordered to kill? There is the possibility of them trying to get the survivors where they can be killed and thus pose no further risk to the uninfected, but there could be other possibilities as well. The most likely possibility is them being taken to a lab for testing like the left 4 dead 1 survivors. Not the best possibility, but not a dead end either. It is possible other carriers were picked up from New Orleans for testing and a breakout could occur, which would make for a fantastic start to a third game we will never get.
its sad to se what the end of the history could be, but also a perfect example of how good where made the characters of l4d2 and the history itself, hope they ended up in a better place
With the amount of massacre a team of 4 like them just pulled after everywhere they went they were absolutely converted into soldiers (against their will but still better than dead). The bridge could have easily been bombed with them on it but they really wanted to see if the survivors could pull THAT off.
@@herdexx not very likely because if he was a carrier why would he be trying to help people? just to infect them. and if he didn't know he would see a pattern with all the people that he saves. if they all turn into zombies he will quickly figure out that he's a carrier.
they infected the Dark Carnival rescue pilot ... i think at the beginning of the Swamp Fever, someone asked why Nick shot the pilot and Nick replied he became a zombie
Virgil is also one of the Carriers. If you remember his backstory his wife got killed by a zombie and he is in direct contact with them, making him widowed. He decided to save people while the apocalypse is ongoing.
As a Nick main, I like to think that he did actually made himself some sort of "plan B" and managed to get them out somehow, remember they're not unarmed when they reach the heli, so my headcanon is that they manage to catch onto what's going on before reaching the base (probably when the military requests them to give up their weapons, leading to an argument and thus Nick piecing things together) and can take control of the helicopter and escape to somewhere else, so they're not safe but alive.
If they were going to give them option B "lined up against the wall and shot," why would they go through the trouble of potentially losing a helicopter to save them just to kill them?
carriers might be the best concept for zombies, proves that the l4d universe is the worst zombies to survive, it’s impossible to survive because of carriers
I choose to believe the L4D2 survivors ended up surviving, for a few reasons. My main one is the simplest. If the military really did think they were definitely carriers, and were still following the procedure of killing carriers, why bother delaying a bombing run and evacuating 4 people you are gonna kill anyways? Following the logic of the base the L4D1 survivors went to, they would just consider Coach, Nick, Ellis and Rochelle 4 more zombies and blow them up too. Instead they delayed a bombing run and had the helicopter pilot wait around while they gave them a chance to fight their way across the bridge. I also don't think, at this point in the apocalypse, the army would have even bothered going that far if they were gonna check them and only kill them if they were not immune. Why go to that much trouble on behalf of 4 peopke that you have at best a 50/50 you're gonna kill anyways? The fact that the pilot and radio dispatcher went to the lengths they did tells me that they genuinely intended on rescuing the survivors. But even leaving that aside, my second reason for believing they survived is that immune people do exist. Zoey, Bill, Louis and Francis were carriers. That doesn't mean Nick, Coach, Ellis and Rochelle are too. This is flimsier reasoning, sure, but still. Immunity is possible. The helicopter evacuated them, checked them, immune, good to go. People use the "Are you equipped for carriers" line to the pilot as evidence that the military believed they were carriers and still following the kill all carriers procedure, but that doesn't really hold up either. In that situation, from the military perspective, they *might* be carriers, so until it can be verified that they aren't, they have to be treated as if they are. So a helicopter not equipped for carriers could not reasonably take them with it. Not because they *are* carriers, but because they might be and the risk is too high to proceed assuming otherwise. Because it was equipped for carriers, the evacuation could proceed and they could be checked on landing where things then might have gotten messy or they might not have. They might not have because... Just because the military *was* killing carriers, does not mean they still are. Millhaven was an isolated base. They were cut off from command and left to the CO to make the decisions. That policy could have been a creation of his. His plan, his solution to the carrier problem. Other bases may have had other solutions. Maybe a different solution had since been found. Again back to my first point, why go out of your way to helo 4 people you're probably just gonna kill anyways? I don't think the fate of the L4D2 survivors is as cut and dry as that. While there is no doubt the military were carrying out mass executions as an extreme quarantining effort at some point, there is a possibility things changed. That the survivors survived. Or that they are simply immune, not carriers. And as I really love those characters, and we will likely never get an answer, I will choose to believe they made it out unless the day comes I am concretely proven wrong by official, canon sources. Ball's in your court now, Gaben.
Wow😮 Never thought about the story line as I'm always anxious with the zombies whenever I'm playing this game😂 Thank you so much for this quality content
I agree that execution is probably the most likely end result for our surivors but I like to think of what would happen if L4D3 were to come out and the gang survived to become recurring characters. Perhaps they interview any carriers they pick up to ensure they have the most up to date information on the outside world before they exucute/ship them off. I'd like to think that the retelling of the absurd journey and the recounting of all the scratches, bites, and bruises they endured could spark an idea in the interviewer. How many resources, how much time, and most importantly how many lives would it take for non-carriers to make the same journey? They would have to face the fact that plenty of other carrier free sites fell apart from infection anyway and to ensure the survival of their community they might have to utilize the immune. Journeys outside the walls are inevitable because of food, medicine, and ammo scarcity. Even in the lab a willing infected participant is much safer and secure than an unwilling prisoner or zombie. There are many ways you can write a reasonable break of norms in this scenario. Of course, Valve hardly makes games anymore so this is all just fan fiction rather than speculation but it's interesting to think about 😅.
L4D2's soundtrack, especially in The Parish is also incredibly good. Takes a ton of inspiration from the kind of marching and parade music synonymous with New Orleans. Even the cover of "The Saints Go Marching In" dubbed "The Saints Will Never Come" in the OST. I already love L4D1's soundtrack in terms of setting a spooky, creepy, dark and disturbing atmosphere but I just have to hand the medal to L4D2 in terms of the variety in it's soundtrack and how there's special music specifically made for all of the campaigns and their settings.
Nicks pessimism during each part of the campaign isn't unfounded, "I wonder if that's a good thing" after Coach saying "the military's still flying jets" and his unwillingness to cross the bridge at the finale. he see's the literal writing on the wall that the other survivors are unwilling to admit are bad because they need some sort of reason to keep hope. Zoey and Louis purposefully don't tell them the bad news when they escape in the Passing, it's just too difficult. I empathize with the other survivors and Nick of course caves when they present him with the alternative "feel free to make yourself a new life in this room Nick". Honestly if there was a sequel, I would assume Nick gets them out of a bad situation with the military as he had planned for it. He may have dropped the ball when arguing with Francis and Zoey, but his skills at dealing with extreme situations as someone who isn't afraid to break the law wouldn't go completely to waste at the military encounter. He may come off as a complete jerk, but he does have the charm to get people to talk with him and make deals, the asshole with a heart of gold
Someone said he might shoot the pilot if he overhears anything close to them being rounded up and prodded or shot at, I like to think that if the group got off the chopper with a bunch of guns pointed at them and they were herded into a cell or fenced off zone without their weapons, he'd somehow manage to smuggled a pistol or knife undetected and be the first to sneak out shooting and get everyone armed for an escape
“Or they’re gonna line us up against a wall and shoot us”
“These bodies do not look infected” - nick
why would they even risk a whole helicopter then
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@@alphabroncotwozero392Cause they probably thought that the military was going to treat them like VIPs because of their "immunity" to the virus. It was stated in the video that Nick and the group didn't even know what a carrier is, which is possibly why they decided to take the risk. Additionally in a safehouse dialogue, Nick did ask for a plan B, to which Couch replied that if Nick wants a new life other than the helicopter, then he can start in the safehouse; to me, this was a clear indication that the group didn't have a plan B to begin with, so despite the risk, they pushed forward with the plan.
@@Niko-pn8bl i think je meant the miltary is risking a helicopter and a pilot to save 4 possible carriers, not the survivors risking their lives to get to the heli.
@@youbaouahdi4358Precisely. The score is you either leave them behind to fight the zombies until thirst or fighting takes them, or you put two to four crewmen at risk of infection to secure four people in fighting shape who you don't really want too close to the rest of your personnel.
Nick also said "The zombies didn't shot down this helicopter" when he saw a crashed heli. Meaning there was some civilian shooting down the heli because there are some disagreement between them
i do believe that a infected/carrier civilian might have entered the helicopter (chapter 3 - Cemetery) infected the others onboard resulting to a crash and my assumption are that the military on the ground was informed of this information and resulted the mass shootings with the believe that the civilians had some carriers in them (chapter 2 - Park)
I believe it was the f18 jet who was responsible for the helicopter crash.
the pilot ate the last Snickers
My theory, that it was a Compromized Rescue helo, One of the Passengers Onboard was Infected and Began to Attack or Probably Infect everyone(if the green flu was at its airborne "Season" at that time), So in Containment Measures, they had to Shoot it down before it reaches out the New Orleans Border.
@@yep-es9rpI think so too! Especially since the L4D2 survivors were in a helicopter crash themselves (start of Swamp Fever) after they were forced to shoot the infected pilot. In this case, the military most definitely shot it down as a means to prevent the infected/potential carriers from leaving the area. It’s also possible that this is the reason why the military began to separate carriers from non-carriers as a means to prevent further spread of the Green Flu (could be wrong tho)!
3:50 “They can’t kill us all” followed by “Yes they can” is actually so damn disturbing and sad
(Insert Area 51 Joke)
plus the way the "YES THEY CAN" is written, it's so large and aggressive and frantic looking, doubling over their own letters... one of my fav parts about these is definitely gleaning the type of person writing these messages and their state of mind... it's so immersive and deeply disturbing haha
Eh I thought it was funny
It made me laugh when I first read it
Thats hilarious
I should also note that when the survivors are asked if they are immune, the military asks them twice, asking them "Are you immune?" When the survivors say they aren't infected, the military commander chimes back with "Negative bridge. Are you immune? Have you encountered the infected?"
When the survivors answer yes, the military commander then asks our rescue helicopter "Rescue Seven, are you equipped for carriers?"
The military knows the survivors are carriers before you get across the bridge, and seem to be equipping helicopters to evac carriers. For what purpose is unknown, but the military most likely has plans for all carriers, including the l4d2 survivors, that they may end up the same fate Nick jokes about during the Parish campaign. Specifically about being lined up against a wall and shot.
so they equip choppers for carriers just to kill them off? sounds like a waste of fuel when they could have just bombed the bridge as they were crossing it.
@@acake6654That's exactly what I've been thinking. If they really just wanted to execute the survivor, better let the survivors Left 4 Dead.
@@baloocallout678I always thought the carriers were mutated more on the superhuman side rather than the flesh hungry zombie side
Like zombies tear people limb from limb but can only slap the survivors? Getting shot in the gut, chest or head doesn’t often get “Owch, cut that out!” as a reaction. Pipe bombs hardly do anything.
Maybe the military didn’t want to risk them getting away by any means, you’d want to be awfully direct with that bomb drop and even then…
@@acake6654 I mean its probably as said in the video, they're gonna use the carriers for research
I get the feeling it's either a case of they want to figure out how carriers work to see if they can't immunize the rest of the survivors..
Or, things have gotten bad enough that the military's realized the only way to end the infection is to have the carriers become a kill-force to wipe out hotspots of infected activity. And/or needs them to scavenge for what few resources they can get.
At the end of "the passing"
There is a dialogue from Zoey that says "should we have told them?"
Meaning that the survivors of l4d1 could have told the l4d2 survivors what the military was doing but for some reason they didn't
Pretty sure that was more about telling them about how the L4D1 survivors were "immune" and that they wouldn't pose a threat to the second group.
If anything, my whole view of that line is that despite offering to join each other, both sides were worried about infecting each other, which ends up being a never told truth they never learned.
@@JayHog1992 Plus, 8 player co-op would just be silly.
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Or it was about their plan to take the sailboat out.
@@Alexander-mi5vx RIP Bill O7
I like how nick is the one who picks up on this stuff. He lived the life of a criminal before the apocalypse so it only makes sense that he of all people would be able to pick up on whether something is wrong. He even suggested to the group that they have a backup plan to screw over the military just in case his hunch was right. If the group actually listened to nick just this one time, they probably would've lived
To be fair with how far they had come it makes sense for them to still go through with the idea. And as Coach says, they’ve come too far to back out.
I think Nick is a schizo who makes wild conspiracy theories off of mundane things lying around (I love him for that)
Nice pfp
Fair point.
They're not dead tho
I read somewhere a long time ago that apparently the L4D2 survivors were sent to The Caribbean to escape the infection. Maybe safe, maybe not. At least we know where they're at.
@@BoaDaSnakeMan I think Falizsek said that but i forgot which interview. But tbh that's just a cheap excuse to not make the sequel. It needs a proper closure or at least make the comic for l4d2 survivors to see what really happen after Parish.
coach, ellis, nick and rochelle went to TAHITI to harvest some MANGOES
@@patriotic_croatian1991 There is a fan-animatic series called L4D: The Return, which I think it’s a better closure to both L4D1 survivors & L4D2 survivors. It’s not officially canon though, but still a better closure to it.
@@badieTVcoach van der linde
@@cakersoStupid1 "I got a plan, Ellis. I just need cheeseburgas."
I don’t think the military would just kill the survivors since it would be way easier just to commence the bridge bombing run and leave instead of risking the chopper by waiting for them.
The military didn't know if the survivors were immune or carriers yet. The military would only kill them if they're carriers, and save them if immune. Besides, the chopper wasn't exactly waiting for them. It was set to leave in 10 minutes and the military said "with or without you", so they just happen to let the survivors hitch a ride while at it if they arrive before its scheduled departure.
(Edit: almost a week later, I'm still getting a lot of replies pointing out the military personnel saying they're using helicopter equipped for carriers because "they knew". Please read through some of the replies I've already posted. I'm getting tired of getting notifications of the same thing over and over again.)
@@isthisnametaken978 in the radio dialogue, the military personel asked "Have you encoutered infected?" and Coach said "Encountered? Boy, I am covered in zombie blood and puke and eyeballs and twenty other parts I don't even recognize. We are immune as SHIT!" so the military knew that they are carriers. The chopper could have left them for dead or bomb the bridge but instead still waited for them. That indicates the military have changed their strategy for the carriers including the L4D2 survivors after the event of The Sacrifice comic.
@@truonghyvu4704 That doesn't necessarily indicate that they are carriers. They could be immune. In the L4D lore, immune and carrier aren't the same, despite them having no visual and behavioral differences. The only way for the military to know is to check if they're carrying the virus in their bodies or not after encountering the infected.
@@isthisnametaken978I see your point but doesn’t the guy on the radio refer to your group as carriers? Right after confirming that they’ve encountered infected, he radios to the guy in the helicopter and says something like “Are you prepared for carriers?”
@@ph6251 Carriers could be useful to study, as they have the virus but aren't affected by it.
I feel that there is an aspect that is forgotten, the L4D survivors met an isolated military post running on outdated information set up by CEDA while having lost communication with everyone else and when they realized how the outside world changed after meeting the L4D survivors 20 days into the infection the problems started, in L4D2 the military was probably still playing second fiddle to CEDA as we can see in dead center, but over the course of day 22 to day 26 (if I remember my lore correctly) you notice CEDA is quickly shoved out of the way by the military and by hard rain it’s highly likely the military was still running on CEDA’s information blackout and killing carriers, but once they finally got CEDA’s intel on the infected they probably halted the killings, because if they didn’t why the hell would they halt a bombing run for 4 survivors if they were carriers?
Unless the military is just covering it’s bases and wanting to make sure they don’t accidentally kill a truly immune person in that group after the fiasco that was New Orleans I don’t see them killing off the L4D2 survivors, they got lucky they got caught up in hard rain since it gave the military time to finally know what was going on after dismantling CEDA and getting all intel and rather than the military gunning down carriers, they were just killing off people who broke quarantine and stormed the evac points, while the 2 groups of survivors were committing violence against each other due to paranoia as the actual infected closed in because of some graffiti talking about carriers being the first evacuated
This is what I also firmly believe.. Millhaven was an isolated platoon while I am sure the Military in New Orleans were still in touch with high command. And I wouldn't be surprised the soldiers that managed to escape Millhaven (some did actually) must've fled to New Orleans. And I entertain the idea of the military using carriers as frontline soldiers against the infected, it's possibly the best solution in terms of saving important personnel while also finding use for carriers.
@@ryanthemostwantedfurry1281 Possibly its the best Idea to allow Humanity to survive this Zombie Infection as they can't turn into Zombies and is Immune and if the Non Immune get infected theres still the Good Immune Gene to keep Humanity going
This is the best way to describe everything honestly
@@ryanthemostwantedfurry1281 how do you know that some soldiers managed to escape Millhaven???
i like this speculation. I firmly believe they wouldnt just kill them off so easily like that, because they could've just let them die in the bridge. at worst, they'll probably be separated once they land
i think the helicopter was made out of chocolate and they ate it
Just like what happened to the Chopper at the end of Dark Carnival.
i think this is what happened aswell
*angry Coach😠*
@@dobleyuuclipsif coach aint got his chocolate helicopter at least hes got his cheeseburger
willy wonka ahh ending
>There's a story.
>Dear god.
>I will write another.
>No. 😢
tf2 reference ?!?
4 chan users…
6:09 Whiskey Delta is just NATO Radio Alphabet - "W.D." probably being an abreviation referring to the infected as "Walking Dead(s)"
I don't know about the other versions but in the french version they use the phonetic for MV, Mort Vivant french for living dead.
This is confirmed in The Sacrifice comic, one of the soldiers tells Louis and Francis that Whiskey Delta means Walking Dead
God bless you, John Henry Eden!
@@dextergrifit probably isn’t but that makes me think it’s a subtle eastern egg/reference to TWD or vice versa depending on which came out first
I think he was saying that in the game's universe it's the military code for Infected, not that it is in real life.
I thought they got executed for a long time too, but I found out that this isn't the case. Chet Faliszek, who was the lead writer for L4D2 iirc confirmed that the L4D2 crew were taken to a cruise ship that the military repurposed to house carriers.
Great video tho my man, I have an absurd amount of hours and still have missed some of the graffiti you showed in the video. You did a great job putting it into perspective how fucked up the situation is
wait, when did he say this? i dont think ive heard about this until now
@@cappytheoneLook up “left 4 dead 2 interview: Chet Faliszek”
The timestamp is 1:24, in which Chet explains that the survivors are trying to get to salvation by getting on some cruise ships.
yea id love to know where all of these sources are coming from
@@cappytheoneHe said it over a decade ago in an E3 interview, when the game’s demo was showcased.
More specifically, he says that the survivors are trying to reach safety aboard some cruise ships - plural, so there’s multiple ships holding upwards of thousands of carriers.
Army of Carriers
The military likely resorted to using carriers as soldiers
The crew is possibly alive...
I'm not even asking for left 4 dead 3 at this point, just something to continue the story.
That line from Nick regarding the dead bodies is interesting because it really highlights his character development. As the mysterious and selfish ex-criminal I would expect him to not really care about other people being slaughtered by the military. However, in that lines he sounds genuinely shocked and upset, and seemingly shows a bit of sympathy in his voice for innocent civilians being murdered like that. Maybe I’m way overthinking this, but part of why Nick is my favorite character is because he arguably has the most development from being a selfish asshole in Dead Center and early on in the Passing to showing more concern for his group and becoming a more sympathetic and selfless person. This line from him in the Parish really emphasizes how in a world that is progressively destroying humanity Nick, a former con man and selfish criminal, actually gains humanity within himself.
While not related, another example of this is some of his dialogue in the final chapter of the passing. One of my favorite lines of his is when he says “sorry if I was rude before, you guys are alright” in regards to the L4D1 survivors and also says “I owe you one, Francis” after not getting along with him in the first chapter and complaining about his hatred of bikers throughout the campaign. It’s a far cry from his selfish and rude demeanor in Dead Center and really helps showcase just how much his character develops as he becomes more comfortable with and grows closer to the other survivors.
When you're an asshole, the bigger threat to you is a bigger asshole.
Nick had his work cut out, but a military force treating people like Nick like garbage is what can make even the most self centered people upset and more willing to co-operate.
It's still a good character development nonetheless, but even without it, I don't deny the fact that most people would feel disgusted at the fate of those survivors.
Nick might be a con man, a criminal but he's not a monster.
That is why Nick is my favorite.
At first, he keeps saying "After everything is over we'll go separate ways" or something like that as he doesn't care about his team.
But as the story progress, he becomes concerned with them and acts friendly.
@@WarmRepeat Two of his lines in the first elevator are "Name's Nick, but don't bother learning it 'cause I ain't sticking around long." and "Nick. Not that it matters, 'cuz I think we should split up when this thing opens."
He's a criminal. Not a mindless cruel murderer
What if this branch if the military wasnt executing carriers, they were executing those who weren't immune? If I was the head of an operation, it'd only make sense that to ensure the survival of the species, we'd need to ensure humans who weren't affected liced on, and that humans who could turn into horrifying nigh unkillable monsters like tanks in just a few weeks were no longer a threat in the new world. It doesnt make sense for them to ship carriers away but keep the normal humans in range of zombie incurrsions.
Those weren't carriers.
It would definitely make sense if someone decided that. The virus is so insanely viral that it's not out of the question for someone to decide there's no hope in trying to prevent it from spreading and that it's better to make sure all carriers survive to preserve humanity especially since carriers can of course still die like any other human.
While yes, eugenics is the more logical approach, you have to keep in mind that you don't know if somebody isn't immune until it's too late... and those army officer guys might not be immune, and they would never be on board with a plan that also involves them.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltanthey prob keep a safe distance between the carrier and make a town called carrier town where most of the residents living there are Carriers and watched 24/7
Interesting theory, I like it
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan
When the literal survival of your own species is at stake, eugenics indeed is the more logical approach.
One of the exchanges between the soldier and chooper pilot in ch5 is: "Are you equipped for carriers?" "Yes sir". Which implies that if the military really wanted to get them executed they would just leave them on the bridge since the chopper was already in a rush to leave. All I can comment on this is that the guys probably didn't know how many or if any of the L4D2 survivors were carries, which is something they would find out after they rescue them. The reality may not be as grim as you make it out to be.
and then Nick appears to be only immune and the rest of crew gets executed infront of him.
@@MadWinte It would be more tragic if it was the other way around. If it's only Nick that is a carrier and the rest are immune.
That would mean that the asshole "I want nothing to do with this" guy who even wanted to leave the party at first, but stuck with them due to circumstances and the party members slowly getting along with each other is the only reason they went through as much trouble as they did.
If nobody was a carrier they would've been out of this hell by the end of dark carnival
@@lunatik4291 But would it really matter? Nick is a criminal and if he was fully immune he would still get in jail, so I dont think he has a good future either way
@@minus100iq8 you think in a world with this kind of pandemic, the law would still be applied and you would go to jail for your past deeds? Wishful thinking lol
The beginning of Swamp Fever was always strange in the sense that the Helicopter pilot turned, and the survivors argued and conclude that he must have been bitten. With added context, it now makes sense. The pilot wasnt bit; his proximity to the carrier survivors caused him to turn.
Your theory on the survivors simply being executed doesn’t make a lot of sense when you consider that the military specifically allowed them the chance to fight their way to the helicopter. The military was already planning on blowing the bridge and flying out before the survivors talked to them on the radio. Why would the military jeopardize cutting off the bridge and getting out of there safely if they were to simply execute the survivors?
because the military didn’t know they are carriers
@@jaredsingcol2967 False, Papa Gator (The Military Guy on the Radio, not Rescue & AKA the chopper pilot) asks the survivors if they are immune.
"Are You Immune!?"
"We Are Not Infected!"
"Negative Bridge, Are You Immune? Have You encountered the infected?" The survivors will respond with yes, and he'll instantly ask Rescue 7 if he's equipped to transport carriers. They knew they were Carriers.
@@jaredsingcol2967 they did, as he explains in the video the soldiers briefly converse on if they have any transport available for “whisky deltas” which is their name for zombies. They knew they were carriers and specifically asked the survivors if they were immune
@@sauceman2885They never say that. They ask if the pilots are “seeing whiskey delta, or friendly?” before the survivors use the radio
They literally never refer to the survivors as Whiskey Delta
I heard somewhere that there are Carriers, and there are those who are Immune. A Carrier is exactly what was said in the video; people who _seem_ to be Immune, but are in fact infected; they just don't have any symptoms or mutations, and can still infect others. Whereas those who are Immune are, well, _Immune._ They can't get infected no matter what, and because of that, they can't spread the virus like the Carriers. Meaning they're humanity's best bet, right now.
It's possible (perhaps even likely) that the chopper pilot at the end of The Parish (or at least, whoever the chopper pilot was communicating with) couldn't tell for 100% fact if the Survivors were Immune or Carriers, so they treated them as Carriers for safety purposes. I once heard that, when dealing with strange substances or bodily fluids, you should _always_ treat them as dangerous/contaminated, simply because this is the safer option. Like the Church Guy famously said, "Better safe than sorry."
And yet, they still airlifted them to relative safety, on the off-chance that they were fully Immune. Because if humanity is to survive an apocalyptic plague like this, their best course of action is to gather up as many Immune people as possible, so that they can begin rebuilding the human race. As for why some of the soldiers seem to be simply gunning people down left-and-right, that's most likely due to a combination of conflicting interests, and the breakdown of nationwide communications. Different military outposts are being increasingly isolated and cut off from each other, making it impossible to form a cohesive strategy; and even if there *IS* a nationwide strategy for combatting the infected, many of these outposts aren't hearing about it.
So, these isolated military groups have resorted to following the highest-ranking officer they have on-hand, and all of these officers have different strategies for fighting the infected. Some of them have become so paranoid that they're shooting every human they see, just to be damn sure no Carriers get through, and we see remnants of that mindset in the earlier sections of The Parish. Whereas other officers are still holding out hope that something can be done to salvage the situation, and are still cautiously picking up Carriers, in the hopes that one or more of them turns out to be Immune. I mean, If all else fails, Carriers and the Immune can co-exist; since the Immune are (like their name suggests) Immune, the Carriers can't infect them, even if they wanted to. Obviously, this solution would potentially be a death sentence for everyone who isn't a Carrier or Immune, but it might work decently enough as a last resort.
the rumor of the l4d2 crew being shipped off to where l4d3 WOULD have happened and being a frontline squad is the only hope we got
So basically World War Z game we got now?
Except l4d3 was planned to take place in a completely different country with different people
@nafmaja5612 ngl, I kinda prefer that tbh. The third game being similar to the WWZ one, but still the same game, just with different countries and survivors. No level up, perks or specific character stats bullshit, just the same game, re-skinned and more areas and weapons added...
One of the early versions of Left 4 Dead 3 would have been that the survivors were used as soldiers to fight the infected. But it wasn't the left 4 dead 2 survivors... but rather the left 4 dead 1 survivors. I have no idea why Valve even considered this story line because the Left 4 dead 1 survivor's story already concluded, and the comic showed us that they don't trust The Army. Luckily, this concept was dropped, and Left 4 dead 3 was eventually cancelled due to source 2 being too incomplete at the time to continue development.
That makes way more sense if the l4d2 survivors were being used as frontline soldiers for the military. Weird side note but in the passing I found it weird that the L4d1 survivors never brought up the militaries executing carriers to the l4d2 survivors. Louis even says something like "we've had enough of the military" but doesn't feel the need to warn the l4d2 survivors about the military and them executing the carriers.
@@ImNotConz Honestly I think valve just forgot to add something like that.
@@ImNotConz I highly doubt that the L4D2 characters are dead. Through the radio talk at the beginning, the military KNOWS that they are carriers, and if they were going to kill carriers anyway why waste the fuel and risk potential choppers and pilots? Why not just continue with the bombing? It also makes no sense for them to be testing any of them if they were starting to kill carriers, as why not just test the ones they had lined up and shot?
Just makes zero sense in my eyes.
@@ImNotConzThere's actually a voice line that can play at the end of The Passing as the car escapes where Louis asks "Should we tell em?" and Zoey says "No, it's hard enough out there."
I heard it as a teen when the DLC was still new.
@@mistermoo7602 I just looked it up and your totally right.
Why Louis?
you could have saved them....
The 2 soldiers in the radio were looking for exactly Immune survivors. I think they are going to really RESCUE the 4 survivors. and try to find a cure.
If its the other way around. Nick would probably save his team and since he never trusted the military, I think that he will save his friends and make sure that the military will not kill them like what he saw from the streets of the parish. Nick is the Goat for this oml. But it is pretty dark that they are killing just people. rip
No, they weren't looking to rescue carriers. Rescue 7 had to be asked if it was even equipped to transport carriers at that time! They were the same military unit that was shooting carriers. Unless the left 4 dead 2's survivors escaped the military somehow, they were executed.
@@Eyeling they were looking for Immune survivors, even clarifying that "ARE YOU IMMUNE?!" and the plane was probably equipped to rescue carriers since its just a back of the plane and the soldiers in the front, even if its not i think it would do the job thats like the truck on L4d1 blood harvest.
Sure they can be the same military that kills carriers but maybe they are the ones that opposed it and wanted to find a cure for the infection even.
Its never confirmed they are executed. And with Nick not trusting the Military he probably would escape them just like Bill would've done,
@@daneddieloayon2701 They definitely were not looking to rescue carriers. If they were, why would Rescue 7 need to clarify to Papa gator that he was indeed equipped to transport carriers? It was a last minute decision to pick up the left 4 dead 2 survivors. Saying they were looking to rescue carriers when they were minutes away from bombing the bridge, and were already executing carriers earlier that day, is pure copeium.
@@daneddieloayon2701 Theres no evidence to say that these soldiers opposed killing carriers, nor is that how the military works, soldiers follow orders. there is, however, evidence that these soldiers were the same ones killing carriers earlier in the day. Why are there bodies of normal, non infected people on the bridge?
One of the possible dialogs they have is one of the military guys asking the pilot if he could deal with carriers
With this dark story and ending of the Parish is why I wish the devs had a bit more time to give the corpses, in chapter 2, human textures, to really sell that the military is killing and executing carriers.
idk if it was a time constraint problem as much as it was a censorship problem, like how there was supposed to be a crashed schoolbus in death toll. fwiw there are addons on the steam workshop to do exactly what you suggested tho
This reminds me of the devs notes game mode where they said they were gonna use real corpses to design the zombies but got too sick looking at photos of dead bodies and used potato skins instead.
@willjanalaurin1929 maybe not making them look pristine, but atleast less zombie like, as currently they all share textures
wait, aren't corpse supposed to go pale after leaving them to rot?
@@kneeofjustice9619 Yeah they said exactly this in the developer's commentary.
I feel like it would have been less of a risk for the helicopter crew and a lot easier to just bomb the bridge and leave the L4D2 cast to their fate if they planned on killing them if they were just going to kill them later on, chances are it may not have been a happy ending for the cast, as they probably were still tested on but if they were just up and killing carriers they could have just left them behind juch like they did in Dead Center, but it would have been intentional in this case, plus they wouldn't waste time equipping military personnel if they were just going to pull an Augusto Pinochet and throw them out of the helicopter.
You make a valid point but I must say
the last sentence of your comment made me audibly laugh so well done sir.
They took the risk because at best they get some carriers sample to work on the cure, and at worst they'll just spend 4 bullets. And again, they have been extracting people out of the city, as stated in the graffiti, so obviously they had countermeasures in place in case these people act up.
@@rnlansdownemobileAt worst, they spend more than just four bullets. If it doesn't go exactly right picking them up, they spend a transport helicopter, its fuel, a trained crew of pilots, and the weapons they're equipped with. And if things do go well they spent a lot of fuel retrieving the carriers, risk spreading infection via close contact with the carriers, and then food or medical supplies to keep the carriers alive for as long as theoretically needed.
"While the survivors' fate is left unclear after this point, the game's writer Chet Faliszek stated in a 2009 interview that the military took survivors on cruise ships to the Caribbean in an attempt to escape the infection."
Call me optimistic, but it's possible that the military would have the same perspective as the doctor from the L4D1 comic, opting to try and find a cure with the carrier's help. Part of the dilemma with those two commanding officers in Millhaven is that they were cut off for weeks from the outside world, so they had limited options, resources and information compared to the military encountered in L4D2's The Parish, who are much better equipped what with having helicopters, heavy ordinance and communications to an extent. L4D2's milirary more than likely had access to much more information than L4D1's, an example of this being how incredibly in the dark the soldiers stationed in Millhaven were to the infected's strength and power, to the point that the two soldiers guarding Louis and Francis didn't know that special infected even existed until Louis started telling them about them, and even then didn't fully believe them till a witch rounded the corner after the base started getting swarmed.
Again though, this is an extremely optimistic take.
The counter argument is the L4D2 military is saving them so they can operate on them later for a cure. The doctor in L4D1 said there is NO cure, and he's only pretending to work on a cure so the people here don't lose hope and fall into chaos. I mean, how can you counter a virus that mutates DAILY? Even if you found a cure, by the time you roll out the damn thing, it might not have work anymore.
At its core, this story once again confirms that there is no scarier beast than human himself
omg i need more of l4d2 lore, I love your videos hope you grow more
Incredibly Kind Words
Thank you sir
Why would they save them only to kill them later. If they wanted to get rid of them, they would leave them on the bridge.
Valid honestly
Questioning maybe?
or maybe they did plan to use them as soldiers.
@@ImNotConzWouldn't their be already be Carrier soldier's? Or they might've just infected the non immune.
@@ImNotConz They are going to become expendable soldiers, at least I think so. Something like complete this mission or you will die.
@@ImNotConzthere is evidence in the video that the military and ceda are extremely polarized on how to deal with immune carriers. It could very well be that there is an effort by some surviving military presence to preserve the immune to preserve the species. After all if the last humans are infected but immune then the risk of future infections is zero, the non immune can be seen as a dead end in this new zombie world. Tho this does rely on their children also being immune.
@@BL48.That's actually sick. Base on personality, Rochelle will be the voice of reason and leader, nick will be a specialist, coach and ellis will just go bananas, as always, riding them jimmy gibs jr. Autobot Car with a radio of 24/7 non-stop of how police tear-gassing elise's friend, setting aside a popcorn, a cotton candy, and a cross mark clowns stickers along with them jockey and chompski strap in a pilot cockpit inside of a helicopter made of chocolate, aswell with the midnight riders riding a unicorn plushie on top of the rotor blade and big fireworks green-screen display on the back
Hadn't heard about the term "carriers" up til now (obviously since I haven't dwelled into L4D lore) so now it makes sense that the rescue pilots in other campaigns and that one guy in that one church spontaneously become zombies.
Actually, the guy in the church was bitten before the survivors showed up. It was already too late
@@quanage4296 I see
Don't forget swamp fever: "we had a good run boys but it's over"
My theory is the reverse of this. I think the military was removing normal humans from the equation, and evacuating the carriers. That explains the VIP treatment you get at the end of the game despite being asked twice if you’re immune, then they check if the chopper’s good for carriers. Clearly this is a paradigm shift where non-immune or non-carrier humans are just too big of a liability to keep around anymore on account of the airborne virus.
Not just airborne, the thing mutates DAILY, as pointed out by the doctor in L4D comic, and because of this, there's no cure. Because that's like asking you to win a game of chess while the board constantly shifts. The man has to pretend he's looking for a cure to not be thrown out, and to keep people hopeful.
My theory is the military in L4D2 are more drastic, and will take more radical approaches to experimenting on the carriers for a cure. As the kids might put it: "The survivors were cooked the moment they stepped on that heli". You need to consider when one take huge risk, they expect huge results. So I doubt they'll save the survivors just because they wanna feel good. Them carriers are 100% going on the operating table.
I was rewatching the videos and this theory makes sense. Makes sense why the Midnight Riders who were possibly carriers, got evacuated first when the rest weren't...
I think youre upto something.
Honestly if there is ever a true Left 4 Dead 3, I don't think they're gonna just say "Oh yeah, Coach, Rochelle, Nick, and Elis all just died off screen" just cuz of the uproar it would cause in the community. People love these characters so if it did ever happen I really think it would likely end up as something similar to The Passing where the old crew will meet up with the new crew and help them in some way. Not that there will ever be a trilogy anyway though.
I'd imagine the remaining Left 4 Dead 1 crew would try to Rescue the Left 4 Dead 2 crew... But it be pretty hard to make enemy survivors or military to fight against. The Survivors are pros in fighting the infected, but they would still die from a regular bullet like a normal person. Back 4 blood did it okay when doing those Cultists. But having to fight The Military or armed non-carriers could be difficult for them...
@@galacticfirefly6060 I honestly loved that concept you made, it would be amazing for a comic.
@@galacticfirefly6060 But that would make the L4D comic irrelevant, considering the ending is the 3 on a sailboat going to their island, just as Bill intended. Backing away from it and risk saving the L4D2 group they barely know for less than an hour would mean Bill's sacrifice was for nothing.
Picking up survivors who are clearly carriers just to execute them somewhere else sounds like a waste of military resources. To me they are attempting to recruit carriers into fighting the infected, just like that military guy suggested in the comics
I saw so many comments here thought the L4D1 group infected the No Mercy pilot. I guess they didn’t pay attention to him AFTER you started the finale. Because the first line he said was him gonna run late because he just had an “incident” and sounded very depressed/hesitant. Then later it pretty much confirms it “No Mercy it looks like you’ll be my final run”
He was infected some time before even coming into contact with the group. They just happens to be there in his final moments.
Heli pilot is the biggest chad in this franchise. Bro knew he’s not making it past that night and yet he still try his best to pick up the group. I bet normal ppl will just go cry in a corner and die.
There are three types of people in zombie media:
" I've been infected. I do *not* want this. "
" I've been infected. I have minutes to do as much good as I can. "
" I've been infected. here, takes my shit. I want to go fist fighting the undead militia. >:D "
One is much funnier than the other two and thus wins by default.
"I Have Not Come This Far To Die Now" - Nick
'NEGATIVE bridge, are you IMMUNE? Have you encountered the infected?'
ALSO the way that 'Papa Gator' on the radio says, 'Rescue 7...are you equipped for carriers?' is like SO much eerier to hear now
Whiskey Dealta=Walking Dead.
Shit. Rick's there too!
I feel like if they did a comic for the Left 4 Dead 2 cast, and they were getting executed, Nick would say "You weren't that bad, Ellis" to Ellis (duh), or something like that, showing that Nick did sorta care for Ellis, just like Francis and Louis
You can sort of get this when Nick is the last survivor left alive
@@herdexx
If a character is dead, each survivor has several lines mourning the loss. You have to approach the body to hear them.
Brief, conclusive, accesible. I like format of this vid and I would look forward for other l4d campaigns or games in similar fashion. Subbed
Geesh to be a carrier is hell. You gotta deal with the infected, the army, and other survivors shoved down your throat
To make it worse it's possible you aren't a carrier there's nothing that distinguishes between immune, carrier, and non carrier
0:03 don't tell him about Souls games
You should check the other videos :)
@@ImNotConz it is done sire
Souls game don't have stories, they have lore
@@Alex-hy7nxtrue
@@KashimoJoestarnot much story. It's more about lore
There's another detail that may chillingly support this.
If you remember being picked up by a helicopter after the Midnight Riders show, Nick shot the pilot and Ellis expressed his disappointment. It may mean the helicopter pilot turned zombie just being exposed to the playable survivors assuming that pilot was on his lonesome for a long time.
I'm aware we don't know much about the helicopter pilot.
...also I suddenly feel bad for Virgil...
how do we know that Nick shot the pilot?
In Virgil's case at least, it is likely that he was also a carrier since he does say his wife turns, but he didn't and was still alive and kicking.
As for the pilots, both in L4D1 and 2, man... they were unlucky enough to have rescued carriers...
Valve games tend to tell stories without the use of cutscenes.
It’s actually a very unique way of story telling if you ask me
Finally, someone who shares my opinion of The Parish. The character of Nick is crucial. He was a selfish survivor at beggining, trying to survive at any cost. Even if he has to left his partners behind. But in The Parish campaign, Nick was worried. He had doubt while Coach or Ellis were happy for being rescued. In the last safe room, he even try to make a plan B.
I think L4D2 survivors are dead. Military and people were hunting them down.
I know one thing for certain, there's no way they're gonna give up without a fight
So Parish has two definitions “a small administrative district typically having its own church and a priest or pastor” but I don’t recall a church or anything like that in the campaign.
The second definition is actually specific to Louisiana, according to google, “a territorial division corresponding to a county in other states.”
In the context of the game I think it’s the second definition, but I think it may have an almost double meaning as well when spoken.
The word Parish is said exactly the same as perish which is defined as “suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.” This could be a subtle hint at the outcome for the characters, even more so when we consider everything we seen of other survivors in this campaign.
There's also a section where survivors pass a graveyard after going through a bridge that's getting bombed
It looks like our “carrier” group was too important for the military to destroy. If they were going to kill them, they would have blown up the bridge or opened fire. Instead, the military tested them with the bridge, sending them through hordes of zombies to reach safety. Still, serving an army that considers you less than human is not a better fate.
you need to do more videos on the lore of Left4Dead you're literally the only youtuber i've seen that gets it, you obviously grasp the story and its depth. I've only ever played single player and specifically set out to complete it on expert in order to hear all the voice lines. I've played close to 200 hrs just trying to trigger ever line and find every message on the walls. I didn't even know about the bodies in the basement. We need more people like you to talk about Left4Dead, cuz the story was incredibly deep once all the pieces are obtained. I remember my sense of dread when the military asked the pilot if they were equipped for carriers, and how much I didn't want to cross the bridge the first time, and that feeling of regret and sorrow mixed into my victory when i reached the end was a taste I will never forget. You get it.
I find it cool that Nick knows whats going but nobody else believes him.
nick was right all along
Looks like there been change plans 😂
"call 911, i hurt his feelings."
The helicopter really WAS made of chocolate!
I dont know about the others but Ellis was taken to a place where he meets a cartoony looking russian wearing blue in a place that is a gigantic bed room, they come across Frank West and Chuck Green, eventually they fight a massive giant cat, afterwards they have a nice christmas
the true canon ending
No they wouldn't be lined up and shot, the military would've just had the helicopter leave if that was the case. The military only separated and started killing carriers because they were trying to evacuate so many damn people and out of the handful of carriers that were roaming there were potentially thousands of regular survivors that aren't immune, the military chose the bigger group to save and cordoned off the carriers to keep people safe, carriers didn't like that and thought they were being left 4 dead(heh), which they might've or maybe the military planned to get them afterwards, regardless they made problems and were trying to break quarantine and risk the lives of who knows how many people. That type of risk isn't good and so carriers started to get executed. Another thing is that it's not necessarily confirmed if the executed corpses are only carriers, they could've been normal people infected that were just brought away to die in a secluded area to prevent it from spreading to nearby people, there likely was carriers in that mix but regular infected people need to be dealt with too.
As for the current time, the military guy over the radio was VERY intent on making sure you're carriers, almost desperate in a way to confirm it and immediately checks with the rescue chopper if they can take on carriers, which evidently yes they can. I think the l4d2 crew is alive and well with no threat of being executed, the carriers were being executed because they exhibit a massive risk on normal folk but once all the normal folk are gone they're just another person that can't be with the main crowd, so that's probably where they were taken, a special base for carriers where they experiment on them to see if there's a cure or at least a way to stop carriers from infecting others. It could also be by that point that the doctor was right during the sacrifice, where he said the military hasn't realized the carriers "might be the only future they've got" and started protecting carriers if they can keep them away from the crowd.
Ultimately we really don't know any truth, I at least would say for a fact they aren't just gonna be thrown against the wall and shot since then why did they rescue the l4d2 crew to begin with and take that risk? More carriers can be found after all so taking the risk with 4 armed carriers being brought to a lab wouldn't be exactly worth it when they can just find another carrier like they've been doing.
You left one crucial thing about the carriers is that in the Sacrifice comics the carrier's chance of infecting someone is completely random as one of the doctors/scientists who was also a carrier has said that sometimes the green flu spreads airborne sometimes through touch and sometimes doesn't at all. Means that either at first during the initial outbreak carriers where able to infect but as time goes on the virus inside them mutated into something else.
This was a fantastic video, very interesting and eye opening. I got every achievement in this game and never bothered to read the notes and listen closely to the dialogue. Really cool stuff
really good video! not much else to say other than a small correction regarding the "full scale zombie apocaylpse" line, from everything we can see in game and elsewhere, the infection is only limited to just the east coast of the US, not anywhere else, so bombing to kill infected actually makes a bit more sense.
It’s worth mentioning that Valve has alluded to the virus being spread worldwide in an old interview, but even if that is the case, it’s like just showing up in specific parts of other continents like in the US, rather than everywhere being fully overrun.
the revolting carriers actually did go through with their plan and managed to take out a military helicopter judging from the dialogue when the survivors see the crashed helicopter "zombies didn't do this"
I recall seeing something about L4D3 plot leaks (or maybe this is Back 4 Blood) where the campaign was a sort of Dead Rising 2 style “blood sport” to see how many infected the player characters could take out. Maybe the idea of using Carriers as front-line defenses turned into that concept, like a Mad Moxxi’s Underdome situation.
If only that came to fruition. I must admit, I know left 4 dead 3 probably ain't gonna happen but its not impossible...
thanks Valve
@@ImNotConzConsidering there were leaks for source 2 games from l4d3 to cs2. It might just be possible in the near future.
I do not believe they were immediately shot after being saved. Simply for two reasons:
1. That'd be bad storytelling.
2. They very easily could've just not rescued them or killed them there or blown up the bridge. Why save them? They knew they were carriers beforehand.
They would definitely be tested/experimented on, but past that is a mystery. The variables past that are two many to get any sort of guess that isn't wild speculation.
My theory is the military in L4D2 are more drastic, and will take more radical approaches to experimenting on the carriers for a cure. You need to consider when one take huge risk, they expect huge results. And Papa Gator took a huge risk here. So I doubt they're saving the survivors just because they wanna feel good. Them carriers are 100% going on the operating table.
apparently telltale was supposed to make a L4D series instead of TWD. i would’ve loved to see the survivor’s perspective of the breakout, we technically already had the carriers. seeing people _wanting_ to quarantine and agreeing with the military truly makes me wonder what i would do in this situation. i’m almost positive i wouldn’t be a carrier because the chances are like what, basically 1 in a million? i think i’d have to agree with the survivors that _wanted_ carriers dead, i was a strong advocate for the covid quarantine but i was also a firm believer that our bodies would adjust to it. there’s no way in hell our bodies would adjust to the green flu
1:41 out of topic but the name of the player in the middle left had me rolling on the floor
Despite Nick coming off as a mean person along with the fact of being a criminal, he is honestly the smartest person in the whole Left 4 Dead 2 group. He saw those dead bodies which were *NOT* infected (they were carriers like them), and knew what happened to them. Due to this, he didn't trust this plan the crew had and that the military would be forgiving. He probably had the idea of them being carriers despite not know what it actually is himself. He only followed the crews' Plan A because he was voted out on the idea of a Plan B and knew he would be zombie meat if he chose to go through it alone.
continue posting this bro it so refreshing new L4D2 related content is being posted
Thats a great video!! Thank you, somehow my whole story connection with L4D1 and L4D2 is gone since no cutscenes and it was always about rushing to the saferoom.
However I can assure you that at least Coach survived as Ive seen him in numerous Blender 3d animations, therefore the military probably gave him a gig in movie productions.
Also these story parts will be fun to chase down with the VR Mod, thank you! : )
Your welcome
I'm glad you enjoyed it
I've played this game for years since my high school days and I never paid attention to the story at all this is really cool. Awsome video!
I agree with everything you said except for the theory on what happened to the survivors after they crossed the bridge. If they were going to kill them, wouldn’t they just blow up the bridge? It’d be safer anyways.
On the bright side, they get to keep their weapons, if they’re not so trusting of the military, (which nick’s dialogue heavily suggests) perhaps they could escape the base (unlikely) or even force a helicopter crash by gunning through the wall between them and the pilot. They’ve already survived one crash. Maybe they can another.
Honestly I wish we got to see more of this mini 3 way war between the Military, the Survivors and the Carriers and eventually the Infected because by the few accounts we get from the graffiti New Orleans was practically a warzone before our little group shows up.
The thing I loved with the whole L4D2 story was due to the narrative of the first and last campaigns, it feels like you're chasing after the military.
Yeah, if they did die, it was after tests. Literally zero reason to ask the survivors if they were immune and when the answer was yes, to endanger one of their helicopter crews and hold off on the bombing run to save them. If the military was just going to kill them, they'd have not replied and just bombed the bridge.
4:05 Or you could say you've been...
*puts on shades*
Left 4 Dead
YEAAAAAAAAH
ive never really seen anyone talking about the story of any specific campaign before this was interesting
i never thought about the fact the survivors just don’t know about carriers or anything, and the l4d1 survivors only weren’t executed because they got insanely lucky and still managed to not die on the way out
i imagine 2’s story was written to end on a cliff hanger with no canon ending but it’s more than likely they were taken to a lab and either live a living hell or were executed soon after
i’m pretty sure too both games take place basically at the same time, assuming l4d1 doesnt exist anymore and the l4d2 versions of it are the canon version but you can argue for no mercy taking place the night before dead center (imo) and the whole story is just over the course of a couple days with food and sleep in between gameplay of the campaign
@@qje3204No Mercy, Crash Course, and Death Toll take place on the same night (With Death Toll ending before sunrise on the next day)
Dead Air takes place the same day at night, after the survivors rested for the day.
Blood Harvest takes place at dawn another day later.
The comic takes place over the next 2-3 days, and The Sacrifice takes place almost an entire week later.
The L4D2 campaigns are less clear, but Dead Center takes place around The Sacrifice, up to 2 days earlier or later.
The Passing and Dark Carnival take place a day later.
Swamp Fever takes place at dawn of the next day, followed by Hard Rain and The Parish taking place later on the same day.
yeah, l4d2 is an amazing game for when it was created and the fact it has a story with the whole comics n shit shows a lot of care for attention to detail
While the possibility of the survivors getting tested on and, well, disposed of after their use has ran out is plausible, there is no way that the Military would literally tell their last helicopter to wait for the survivors to board it if their intention was to eliminate carriers, as that would just waste their resources and could as well as start their bombing run immediately.
Also, it can be assumed that the Military stopped acting as one whole being but posted their own versions of Martial Law in each outpost when communications with their Command has gone dark if not between other outposts as well. Even CEDA had their input in the Military's perception of the infection which probably influenced their choice to try and research people at Millhaven.
The graffiti in The Parish hints at carriers being shipped out right away while people which are not immune.. well, get left behind or meet a worse fate like at the Checkpoint in the Park level. The survivors mention that they are people but you don't know if they truly are carriers or not, it could have been other survivors who were fed up with Carriers being evacuated instead of people who arrived long time ago or even lived in New Orleans, which explains the escalating hate towards Carriers.
If anything, L4D2 takes place a little later than L4D1 so it could likely be that mostly immune people remain alive, hence why Virgil doesn't turn and stays for 3 chapters or the military asking specifically if you are immune.
L4D3 was also meant to be an open-world game with class-based gameplay set in Morocco. Whether it tied in with the story regarding immune characters trying to secure some kind of place to stay in / gather supplies or was just another story of 4 people trapped in there I don't really know.
I could also just be looking way too deeply into this and the graffiti between chapters is just inconsistent because the game only had like 1 year of development.
Yeah, its possible that the military outpost already fell during the events of the week prior to the L4D2 survivors getting there and the people you are talking to are the remaining military personnel who ended up being immune, now "carriers" themselves.
Or they are simply dwindling in numbers and now desperate enough that they've decided to start working together with carriers to, if not research some kind of cure, then at least give humanity some sort of shot at survival through these carriers.
Really puts a new feel to the intro video for the game when you hear Nick say, "I have not come this far to die now..."
2:04 Yeah , there’s survivors before recently in safe room (They later got killed or shot by militia , starved to death "for days" while escaping)
Most of them would get infected (very sad that they aren’t immune like the L4D2 players ~the Four are totally immune)
Given that the military asks repeatedly if you had encountered the infected, and when you confirm, the helicopter rescue is asked if they are "equipped for carriers", they definitely know the group are carriers.
Yet they are still evacing you for... SOME purpose. But there's no reason to evac you just to kill you, when they could easily just let the helicopter leave, blow the bridge, and wait for the infected to overrun you now that you've got nowhere to go. The fact that they're willing to evac you at all hints that they're either still trying to find a way to cure carriers, or they're going to put you to use. Either way, likely not executing you, since there's no reason to save you in the first place when they could've just bombed the bridge a minute early and been done with it.
I just read The Sacrifice comic for the first time today and was reminded how good the story is in Left 4 Dead. In true Valve fashion, a lot of it is hidden away and open to interpretation but enough is there to keep you interested. RIP Bill man…
I love getting a random lore video on a game I loved as a kid on a random Thursday. Thank you TH-cam algorithm.
I don't think the L4D2 survivors died by the military, if the military wanted them death, why have an helicopter waiting for them? They could just explode the bridge and let them die, there was an interest in keeping them safe, hope they continue the story in another comic
They would have no idea if they were carriers before saving them so there was a reason to saving them
Let’s not forget after the rescue from Dark Carnival and the first part of the Swamp Fever campaign where they were inside a train car, the survivors briefly argued argued about how Nick shot the pilot because he was infected.
This was a strong indication about them being carriers; that when they got rescued, the pilot possibly got infected by them because they are indeed carriers.
I think the entire reason for saving carriers would be to find THE ONE survivor whos actually immune to the infection and not a carrier
Possible
But holy hell that would be so rare
@@RandomFurry07 probably more uncommon? Since the people immune to the green flu are based on their blood? DNA? So there's a possibility that the entire bloodline of this one specific family is immune fully but either died to their wounds or others or still surviving
I like the ambiguous ending since I can believe whatever I want about what happened afterward.
Bill had the right idea, going to an Island far away from everyone was for the best
Zoey may have not liked it but the events of the Parish showed how wise Bill was when thinking of the long-term implications of how the world was shaping out
They were all carriers and by the events of the parish it was Carriers against the zombies, the uninfected and the Military, Louis even comments on how whatever comes next the world won't want people like them around and the Island is their best shot and even Francis was sick of the Military by then, Zoey may have wanted to help but i don't think her help was wanted, and who knows if they would've joined the piles of bodies all of New Orleans or not had Bill not pushed for them to get out of dodge when he did
The L4D1 survivors definitely made the right call not going with the L4D2 survivors
It also foreshadows this aspect of the Green Flu during the transition between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever. Nick Shoots the pilot after he was said to have turned into a zombie; due to his proximity of the Carrier survivors.
B is highly improbable. a cargo helicopter and the personnel with the skill to operate it? they aren't risking losing these to give 4 people a ride to a firing squad when they could just let them get killed by zombies. the fact they are willing to risk losing the limited resources they have to get these survivors means that they have some value to them, and the fact that they were just straight up shooting the carriers up until this point means something has changed. from the perspective of the writers, i think they would take the story in a different route than they did for the original l4d survivors, and not just have a repeat of the comic.
The part that mentions the idea of using Carriers as the front line brings up an interesting precedent. It makes me feel like BACK4BLOOD is the reality where this plan was carried out as the CLEANERS were carriers that could not get infected and was utilized by the government and military as the front line to reclaiming territory.
Consider the following;
The military has obviously been killing carriers if not the uninfected as well.
Rescue 7 and Papa Gator confirm that the crew are carriers and they have encountered the infected.
Then we must ask; why would Rescue 7 wait for them? Why would the military risk themselves to save people they have been ordered to kill? There is the possibility of them trying to get the survivors where they can be killed and thus pose no further risk to the uninfected, but there could be other possibilities as well. The most likely possibility is them being taken to a lab for testing like the left 4 dead 1 survivors. Not the best possibility, but not a dead end either. It is possible other carriers were picked up from New Orleans for testing and a breakout could occur, which would make for a fantastic start to a third game we will never get.
its sad to se what the end of the history could be, but also a perfect example of how good where made the characters of l4d2 and the history itself, hope they ended up in a better place
With the amount of massacre a team of 4 like them just pulled after everywhere they went they were absolutely converted into soldiers (against their will but still better than dead). The bridge could have easily been bombed with them on it but they really wanted to see if the survivors could pull THAT off.
This changes everything, ive played the games for years and never knew
I'm 90% sure "Whiskey Delta" refers to "Walking Dead"
I liked your video because your intro wasn’t 5 minutes long and got straight to the point
i think the l4d2 crew is immune because they didn't infect Virgil, and the l4d1 crew infected everybody that they came in contact with
Or Virgil could be a carrier too
@@herdexx not very likely because if he was a carrier why would he be trying to help people? just to infect them. and if he didn't know he would see a pattern with all the people that he saves. if they all turn into zombies he will quickly figure out that he's a carrier.
they infected the Dark Carnival rescue pilot ... i think
at the beginning of the Swamp Fever, someone asked why Nick shot the pilot and Nick replied he became a zombie
@@CarlJ.Hornster he could have been infected beforehand
Virgil is also one of the Carriers. If you remember his backstory his wife got killed by a zombie and he is in direct contact with them, making him widowed. He decided to save people while the apocalypse is ongoing.
As a Nick main, I like to think that he did actually made himself some sort of "plan B" and managed to get them out somehow, remember they're not unarmed when they reach the heli, so my headcanon is that they manage to catch onto what's going on before reaching the base (probably when the military requests them to give up their weapons, leading to an argument and thus Nick piecing things together) and can take control of the helicopter and escape to somewhere else, so they're not safe but alive.
If they were going to give them option B "lined up against the wall and shot," why would they go through the trouble of potentially losing a helicopter to save them just to kill them?
carriers might be the best concept for zombies, proves that the l4d universe is the worst zombies to survive, it’s impossible to survive because of carriers
I choose to believe the L4D2 survivors ended up surviving, for a few reasons.
My main one is the simplest. If the military really did think they were definitely carriers, and were still following the procedure of killing carriers, why bother delaying a bombing run and evacuating 4 people you are gonna kill anyways? Following the logic of the base the L4D1 survivors went to, they would just consider Coach, Nick, Ellis and Rochelle 4 more zombies and blow them up too. Instead they delayed a bombing run and had the helicopter pilot wait around while they gave them a chance to fight their way across the bridge.
I also don't think, at this point in the apocalypse, the army would have even bothered going that far if they were gonna check them and only kill them if they were not immune. Why go to that much trouble on behalf of 4 peopke that you have at best a 50/50 you're gonna kill anyways? The fact that the pilot and radio dispatcher went to the lengths they did tells me that they genuinely intended on rescuing the survivors.
But even leaving that aside, my second reason for believing they survived is that immune people do exist. Zoey, Bill, Louis and Francis were carriers. That doesn't mean Nick, Coach, Ellis and Rochelle are too. This is flimsier reasoning, sure, but still. Immunity is possible. The helicopter evacuated them, checked them, immune, good to go.
People use the "Are you equipped for carriers" line to the pilot as evidence that the military believed they were carriers and still following the kill all carriers procedure, but that doesn't really hold up either. In that situation, from the military perspective, they *might* be carriers, so until it can be verified that they aren't, they have to be treated as if they are. So a helicopter not equipped for carriers could not reasonably take them with it. Not because they *are* carriers, but because they might be and the risk is too high to proceed assuming otherwise. Because it was equipped for carriers, the evacuation could proceed and they could be checked on landing where things then might have gotten messy or they might not have. They might not have because...
Just because the military *was* killing carriers, does not mean they still are. Millhaven was an isolated base. They were cut off from command and left to the CO to make the decisions. That policy could have been a creation of his. His plan, his solution to the carrier problem. Other bases may have had other solutions. Maybe a different solution had since been found. Again back to my first point, why go out of your way to helo 4 people you're probably just gonna kill anyways?
I don't think the fate of the L4D2 survivors is as cut and dry as that. While there is no doubt the military were carrying out mass executions as an extreme quarantining effort at some point, there is a possibility things changed. That the survivors survived. Or that they are simply immune, not carriers. And as I really love those characters, and we will likely never get an answer, I will choose to believe they made it out unless the day comes I am concretely proven wrong by official, canon sources. Ball's in your court now, Gaben.
Now i know the reason why the pilot of the helicopter on Dark Carnival got turned into a zombie.
Damn I never knew the wall writing said any of that. I guess I shouldn’t have replaced the graffiti writing with Jaden Smith quotes.
I read this comment, then immediately went to the steam workshop to see if you were fucking with me
Your not
Its already downloaded on my computer.
Wow😮
Never thought about the story line as I'm always anxious with the zombies whenever I'm playing this game😂
Thank you so much for this quality content
I agree that execution is probably the most likely end result for our surivors but I like to think of what would happen if L4D3 were to come out and the gang survived to become recurring characters.
Perhaps they interview any carriers they pick up to ensure they have the most up to date information on the outside world before they exucute/ship them off. I'd like to think that the retelling of the absurd journey and the recounting of all the scratches, bites, and bruises they endured could spark an idea in the interviewer. How many resources, how much time, and most importantly how many lives would it take for non-carriers to make the same journey? They would have to face the fact that plenty of other carrier free sites fell apart from infection anyway and to ensure the survival of their community they might have to utilize the immune. Journeys outside the walls are inevitable because of food, medicine, and ammo scarcity. Even in the lab a willing infected participant is much safer and secure than an unwilling prisoner or zombie.
There are many ways you can write a reasonable break of norms in this scenario. Of course, Valve hardly makes games anymore so this is all just fan fiction rather than speculation but it's interesting to think about 😅.
L4D2's soundtrack, especially in The Parish is also incredibly good. Takes a ton of inspiration from the kind of marching and parade music synonymous with New Orleans. Even the cover of "The Saints Go Marching In" dubbed "The Saints Will Never Come" in the OST. I already love L4D1's soundtrack in terms of setting a spooky, creepy, dark and disturbing atmosphere but I just have to hand the medal to L4D2 in terms of the variety in it's soundtrack and how there's special music specifically made for all of the campaigns and their settings.
Nicks pessimism during each part of the campaign isn't unfounded, "I wonder if that's a good thing" after Coach saying "the military's still flying jets" and his unwillingness to cross the bridge at the finale. he see's the literal writing on the wall that the other survivors are unwilling to admit are bad because they need some sort of reason to keep hope. Zoey and Louis purposefully don't tell them the bad news when they escape in the Passing, it's just too difficult. I empathize with the other survivors and Nick of course caves when they present him with the alternative "feel free to make yourself a new life in this room Nick".
Honestly if there was a sequel, I would assume Nick gets them out of a bad situation with the military as he had planned for it. He may have dropped the ball when arguing with Francis and Zoey, but his skills at dealing with extreme situations as someone who isn't afraid to break the law wouldn't go completely to waste at the military encounter. He may come off as a complete jerk, but he does have the charm to get people to talk with him and make deals, the asshole with a heart of gold
Nick has and always will be my favorite character in L4d
Someone said he might shoot the pilot if he overhears anything close to them being rounded up and prodded or shot at, I like to think that if the group got off the chopper with a bunch of guns pointed at them and they were herded into a cell or fenced off zone without their weapons, he'd somehow manage to smuggled a pistol or knife undetected and be the first to sneak out shooting and get everyone armed for an escape