Back 4 Blood proves Valve carried Left 4 Dead
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ม.ค. 2022
- "Bringing Left 4 Dead into your marketing mix also brings in the expectations of Left 4 Dead, thus opening yourself up to a lot more criticism." -Adam Sessler (G4TV)
All B4B gameplay is patched and recorded post-launch.
All L4D1 clips have been recorded on the original L4D.
Thumbnail, Francis intro, and 20∶35 were made in Garry's Mod.
L4D1 modding tools released six months after launch: www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=...
L4D2 modding tools released one month after launch: www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=...
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IGN • Valve on the Future of...
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Inside Xbox • 東京ゲームショウ 2009 『Left 4 ...
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LICAF • Bay Raitt Interview
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L4D - Menu Theme • Left 4 Dead - Menu Theme
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I think the big difference between the 2 games is that L4D *FEELS* like a zombie infection takeover while B4B feels like a lifeless COD mod
Haha I can see that
Unreal engine sux
There are literal mods made for half life 1, a decade or more before B4B, that had more life and energy than B4B.
L4D has that certain vibe to it which many other valve games at that time had which was completely lost in B4B
@@m.n.s.s2825 It does not at all, the developers suck.
I actually never realized how fluid the zombie animations and movements were in L4D before. Man, we were all really spoiled as kids.
Its fair, never noticed it either, but considering the few campaigns (i know, its about speed runs and shit) but the details bring at least that sorta fine cut
Same here. Genuinely made me realized how smooth, fun and natural L4D2 (and l4d1? haven't played it myself) feels.
B4B just feels so artificial and overpolished
@@dezgasting its just because b4b isnt running on source engine. Physics on that engine are out of this world
It actually looks much better than most other games today. I'm going to assume it's just too complicated a process to replicate. Otherwise I feel like more games really need this level of detail, because despite the outdated graphic engine, the zombie movement/animations look absolutely amazing even by today's standards.
talk for yourself, kid. I always liked the animations, shadows, storyline and characters (they felt so real when i was younger). So nope, not all of us were "spoiled". Sometimes i've just damaged lone zombies in a different parts with a diffetern weapon, because it was really unusual to see so many different reactions.
Valve's Developer Commentary modes in their games really show how little other studios care for the stuff they make. Valve is already sharing their winning formula in detail and other devs still won't take the hint
Problem is a lot of other companies are public, so they have to appease to shareholders & deadlines before making a good game.
Valve on the other hand is private & Steam is the infinite money maker, and that's why their games can spend years in development hell and they won't bleed a penny.
@@industriastroll3177 But that wasn't the case with Half Life 1 for example. They were amateurs then, but already then they had a passion for video games and what makes them good. I suggest you watch the 25th anniversary documentary on Half Life by Valve. It was super interesting!
@@industriastroll3177Add Steam to the equation. They are practically not required to release any games to receive profits. In short, their store already does all the work.
@@TrentMac There's a difference here. Turtle Rock might've been the studio to create Back 4 Blood, but it lacks the very developers who have love and passion for their development projects. The way I see it, Turtle Rock is a cold husk compared to what it was when they were with Valve.
@@industriastroll3177p much
Share holders and higher ups
Games go from art to soul less business when that happens.
Its not about fun but how much $$$$ you can make
To the ACTUAL creators of Left 4 Dead, Thank you I still love this game today, thanks for the awesome memories over the years
I remember being 5 playing Left For Dead and not noticing how good it was.
Last updates were rough on the game, though...
@@ruffusgoodman4137 It wasn't, it's just a bunch of pearl-clutching hollow whining.
@@Quyzbuk86 You really don't play the game, huh?
TH-cam poser fans be like
@@ruffusgoodman4137 And there's said pearl clutching, gotta love forced, fake outrage. Oh boo hoo, you can't use taunt or laugh in official versus games now. My heart bleeds for you.
Left 4 Dead 2: has Coach
Back 4 Blood: no Coach
I think this evidence speaks for itself.
Left 4 Dead 2: Has Virgil
Back 4 Blood: No Virgil
The only reason you should choose L4d2
Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2: Has Bill
Back 4 Blood: No Bill
I believe in L4D/L4D2 superiority.
Left 4 Dead 1&2: has Francis, Louis, Ellis and Nick.
Back 4 Blood: no Francis, Louis, Ellis and Nick.
Yeah, i'll stick to OG L4D and L4D2.
Left 4 Dead 2: Has Midnight Riders
Back 4 Blood: No Midnight Riders
Yeah.. I will still play Left 4 Dead 2 til I died.
Howdy king
Damn, I miss the days when psychologists were hired to suggest how the game could be more engaging and repayable rather than suggesting how to manipulate players into spending copious amounts of cash post entry
Sigh...
Im a psychology student and I would really like to know more about how old game developers used psychologists. Do you know where I can get more info?
@@nikolababic4783 theres a reason why we have google yknow
@@nikolababic4783 Maybe talks at gdc, a recent game that the devs worked with psychologists is hellblade senua's sacrifice, there is a 20min video on youtube. There are probably studies about that too I would guess.
@@user-nd1km9bc6jbro what you just said is like telling a dude at a library to go to the library when he asked where to find a specific book
Took me over a decade to really realize just how ahead of its time L4D2 really was
And how well it aged in every way. It is still very enjoyable even for those who return to play a few games after hundreds (or thousands) of hours played, and for those who haven't played it yet, it becomes a pleasant surprise (for a game that's more than 10 years old).
@@MXUKrazyDaveNot only has the game aged well, but like the dude said, this game is so far ahead of its time. This game is absolutely amazing looking, and it was made in *2009.*
@@jimmyplayz6341valve always seems to future-proof their graphics. Portal 2 still looks like a modern release and it's over ten years old. Even half-life 2 (original release) looks alright, despite being nearly twenty years old.
No, te equivocas, no creo que adelantado a su tiempo, solo que esta industria se ha estancado en la mediocridad con tanto juego sin alma.
@@antt2228 Dude don't tell me half life 2 is nearly 20 years old lol that is making me feel old as fuck
This wasn't a takedown ... it was a surgical fucking autopsy. Bravo.
You could have done a lengthy video essay, but instead you just juxtaposed footage and let it speak for itself with the actual creators commentary. This must have taken ages to get something like this so polished!
The best thing that Back for Blood accomplished was making people realize how good Left 4 Dead really was
Oooof
BRUH LMAO TRUE!!
I agree
Was? You mean *is*?
@@Goofygooberston you're right
It's kinda funny to me how there are so many small things in L4D that we just sort of take for granted just because it "feels" natural. It's like that quote in Futurama: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
"the best part of a game are the things you dont notice"
Like a door not opening towards you
God, that has to be my favorite episode.
@@gilinar What episode was it?
@@DarrenHoussein I don't remember the exact name, but it's where Bender is shot through space through a missile and then meets God.
@@gilinar Okay thank you anyway
"From the janitors that worked in the valve office when left 4 dead was made"
Don’t you slander those good janitors
That death animation at 3:06 is crazy. The zombie is reacting to gunshots during his dying animation, so is that the physics engine reacting to the gunshots during an animation or is there just extra flinching animations during the death if you shoot them? You don't even see that in many games nowadays
Too much effort, too little time due to publishers
the devs get pressured due to time constraints that prevent them from making a masterpiece, because investors just want the money now, now, now, ect.
The physics engine in some way, they might've made it for the engine to actively stitch-on/interpolate different mocapped flinch animations when it's still in the "about to die" phase and is being shot at. Pretty crazy, especially if you add on the fact that the game was released in 2008
And yep, modern games just resort to "thing's dead, okay, just instantly ragdoll 'em, no one's gonna notice."
To add on that, if you want to make sure the infected is dead, it forces you to shoot at the head
@@CirqueAlvistbf every other source game does that
L4D characters: People just trying to survive
B4B characters: "Yeah, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situtation"
I can hear Baba O'Riley already
We need an official term for these types of characters. I swear, those mediocre Mary Sue types are everywhere in modern media.
@@DashingSteel We do, generic and contrived
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Cringeworthy tumblr level writing 😂
Imagine having worse physics and AI design than a game that was crafted in 2009. This game is the definition of "how dare you stand where he once stood"
*cough* Bf2042
Imagine still wondering about how games getting worse at this point. Welcome to the gaming industry 2021/22.
Downgrade.
Filled to the brim with bugs.
Overpriced.
Source its still the king!
Tony Stark built this in a cave! With a box of scraps!
Even Sekiro has dogshit stealth/AI and it was GoTY 2019. Patrolling enemies literally walk over their dead allies (that you just killed) without getting alerted. Half life had better ai 2 decades ago than modern GoTY titles
What we truly took for granted with L4D is that it can run on almost anything
True
They made the collisions and invisible walls more realistic.
You can actually jump a little on the barricaded rubble that block the map. That military truck / jeep at bottom kf stage 1 no mercy hospital apartments you can walk on it.
The fact that I can run left 4 dead at max settings on an office computer that my father gave me is insane
@@ZmaniacSuperRealOmgi can run it with reshades and dynamic lighting at 60+ fps on a shitty laptop, its actually wild
That's Valve magic, back when they used to make games.
You know its bad when half life 1, a game from 1998, has a better facial system than your game from 2021.
Is impressive than most of the games of the last years have worst AI than a game of 1998
You know that old quote that goes somewhat like : unfortunately "revolutionary" for games is just catching up to what valve was doing a decade ago
That quote is like a decade old on its own now lol
@@kR-qj7rw yeah, literally another games like Half life, 26 years old and that game had better standards that most of the newest games of this years, is like saying that a 2003 movie have better CGI than a 2023 movie, sadly that's also happens
i first played half life this year and i was surprised that AT THE START OF THE GAME i could already do more stuff than most new games today@@kR-qj7rw
The fact that even expertmode is actually fun instead of doing frustrating
Current Player Populations (Steam)
Back 4 Blood: 2,465
Left 4 Dead 2: 13,329
Looks like zombies aren't the only thing dead in Back 4 Blood.
For real?? 2,465 players? Lmao
2465 for one of the most waited 2021 games
what about the original l4d so its a tiny bit more fair
@@Redtortise-vf9xu since you can play L4D1 campaign in L4D2 i think most player will just play L4D2 because there are more contents, also L4D2 have steam workshop.
Don’t fall for the hype you guys always do this I hope you learned your lesson
Putting HP bar on the boss is taking away the sheer horror of said boss.
We often put more bullets into tank's body to make sure it's dead
@@billieeisenhower406 his point still stands
@@billieeisenhower406 there wasn't, but still if you think about it he still has a point
@@billieeisenhower406 The tank is a boss...
@@billieeisenhower406 the tank was literally the boss in left 4 dead 1 and 2.... everything he said was correct.
@@billieeisenhower406
The Tank is literally the boss-tier enemy of the L4D franchise. Their spawns are completely unique compared to other special infected which all share the slots.
L4d2 is a masterpiece simply for these reasons man, I can remember how often I’d simply just be enamored with different animations, world building and gore effects. Also so cringe how even I bought into the whole “omg creators of l4d are making a zombie game”
Not long ago I changed some game defaults in order to have better gaming performance (according to external suggestions). But I realized that there is nothing better for the game itself than the viceral and violent factor, so I proceeded to return the values to how they were.
Same here, I was excited because it's the 'spiritual successor of l4d2', and damn am I so wrong to be.
i honestly had to fight so many eyerolls at b4b's characters, they all just seem like the same cookie-cutter "confident wise-cracking everyman" without expanding on that at all.
also they literally dropped a "yep, that's me" i dont think i need to elaborate on that
The only character that got close to kinda interesting was the fat white dude. I have over 80 hours and still can't remember his name and I mained him, lol. Goes to prove the point of how terrible the writing was.
They spread all the personality across to many characters.
so true kara hitsujigoods
*Tim Allen Grunt* Yeeaup, that's me! B4b is so unlikeable its insane lol
everything has to be Marvel now. it's depressing
I think the statement "We used to make games, now we make money" is becoming true for a lot of AAA studios out there.
It’s *been* that way for at least a decade at this point. EA reusing Madden, The Sims and it’s excessive amount of DLC, Full Price games with Loot Boxes and MTx, GTAV getting 3 PlayStations & XBoxes, the list goes on.
This sort of applies to Valve as well, but to be honest most of their stuff when released is freaking awesome. I didn't play HL:Alyx because I couldn't justify burning so much money on VR and computer upgrade which I won't use as much since am not into gaming a lot. But I do own every other Valve game, with exception of Artifact, they pulled that one. People keep calling them out on never being able to count to 3 and stuff, but I'd rather wait for them to release it when it's ready rather than shitting it out in unfinished state just to grab money.
@@Bruh-ok1rq its a shame they are probally never going to make a game like deus ex hr
@@MladenMijatov buy quest 2 for 300 dollars. lots of internal games, pc games compatibility, can work alone on its own. you will enjoy it trust me. if you dont mind making facebook account though
Hideo Kojima still bae tho
Now I just want to play a bunch of Left 4 Dead 2 again.
Do it, you won't regret it
Still got a thriving community here :)
I just said that out loud to myself lol.
Post more halo montages
Right.
L4D Zombies:Stops at nothing to get to you,they will BREAK the door just to kill you
B4B Zombies:Cant even break through a door
Their tanks can't even push a car hahahaha
that's because b4b lacks physics for objects around the levels@@RazShape
@@RazShaped
They made the monster that is supposed to be the most dangerous. A joke....
Don't forget on some maps (dead center,etc) a zombie horde can and Will break some "wall" (if you can say it a wall since how thin it were)
When Crowbcat comes out of hiding, it means that someone somewhere must have fucked something up.
The Vidja Vigilante puts on the suit once again.
He is taking his sweet time making a video for GTA Trilogy "Definitive" edition.
Still waiting on rust “CoNsOlE eDiTiOn” or GTA trilogy
“Back 4 Blood”
@@youtindia I'm patiently waiting for his Halo Infinite one.
Before, we played old games to feel nostalgia. Now, we play them because they are just better.
Superior, from a different timeline.
It's truly sad
Not to mention old games came as complete experiences, now you are sold scaffolding and the rest of it costs you triple the price of an old game. Whoever says "it's to support developers" it is not, I know no developer ever becoming wealthy out of microtransactions, only publishers do.
Exactly.
True last progression was when 360 and ps3 hit with hdmi after that it's been complete copy paste games. Retro arcade games and chain smoking is the best.
The one thing I absolutely love about this video is the fact you don't have to speak at all, the dev commentary is just there to show the dedication, you could watch this video muted and still get it.
by not allowing the Moding of B4B they essentially killed it from day one.
They really shot themselves in the foot, with b4b. It's a damn shame
@@imsentinelprime9279 Turtle Rock is China like Epic now sadly
This might be the most brutal critique of a game I've ever seen, and all done by letting the gameplay speak for itself.
Have you seen Crowbcat's cyberpunk video?
@@SrGreen02 I haven't! Only just discovered this video in fact.
New to Crowbcat aren't you. Honestly, I'm impressed with how he makes gaming documentaries by editing alone.
@@MildManneredBen Oh well you’re in for a ride :)
The gameplay has spoken!
My favorite thing about these videos is when it shows the empty, corporatized hype at game shows/reveals, and cuts right to janky, soulless gameplay. It's the same punchline everytime, but it never fails to entertain.
B-b-bro we have... Oh my god we have the same... 😳
@@kasket007vod4 brøther
Honestly the best part about these videos. Sure someone can sit down and have a huge rant/essay/review about why something is bad, but humans tend to be emotional, opinionated and biased.
This type of video "commentary "is just clips side by side. Let the game and the devs and marketings own words speak for themselves. Quite the sobering experience.
@@MrLachapell literally Disney
At this point, it doesn't entertain. It simply depresses.
I’m so happy I got to experience L4D before gaming got worse. Let’s not forget when you bought L4D you got 100% of the game. No paid DLC, skins, loot boxes or season passes.
And here I'm thinking "Should I tell him about The Passing and The Sacrifice?"
"Nah, leave him ignorant about those"
you didnt buy those unless it was on xbox @@ruffusgoodman4137
@@ruffusgoodman4137those are free on PC so it doesn't count since Xbox L4D is more than dead now
yeah these were free DLCs for the PC game, the only reason they cost money on xbox is because of Microsoft, they did not allow valve to release them free there.@@ruffusgoodman4137
Left 4 dead 1 and 2 both had optional DLC campaigns you could buy. I would know, I bought all of them lol. They weren't very pricey at all though and of course well worth the money for the hundreds of times you'll play each campaign.
Honestly to this day the death animations for the common infected still blow my mind. I will sometimes empty an entire clip shooting one infected because with the way it stumbles after getting shot I never know if it's still gonna live or not which just ads to the intensity of it all.
This actually makes me so sad man. Can't believe we got to the point where 10 year old games have more features than new ones.
Yeah its all about cash grabs mostly now devs don't really care what they put out apart from a few rare ones
It makes me mad actually. The gaming industry has been corrupted from the inside out.
It was already like this when GTA V came out. Crowbcat even did a comparison between IV and V where IV had more detail and thought in it than V
@@NieRamen look at Halo infinite, it's lazy.
@Diru Dozur I mean, if you think inclusion is the problem, your probably are racist.
The strength of this channel is that it doesn't even need commentary, the footage speaks for itself and the developer commentary is just the cherry on top.
Narrative editing skill 100/100
Absolutely, because people don't understand the difference between complaining and constructive criticism.
That's what makes it so stand-out and unique. While all the other channels are just a bunch of talking heads spouting their opinion, Crowbcat shows the world the truth with real footage. He does his homework and compiles it all in an educational and simultaneously funny presentation. I love this guy, I really do. He's the hero the gaming world needs today.
Video gaming has become so corrupted, soulless, and generally terrible that all you need to do is show people factual information or footage to prove it how awful it is. Same goes for the society we live in now.
Show, don't tell
That is how i feel Crowbcat operates and i have to admit, it takes legitimate skills to be able to deliver the needed brutal honesty and criticism without anything else other than the actions themselves.
That last scene of swapping the L4D name from the description and replacing it with "Evolve" is basically all that anyone needs to know :D
as soon as they said "contained game files" I knew its replay ability and life span overall would be shot
Seriously. Why even make a L4D inspired game if you aren't going to stay true to what made it so great
@@azzy9293 Cashing in on the brand name, which isn't even their IP to begin with.
god I hate the freaking cliché stupid character where they're like: "Wasup dudes! killing zombie is so much fun! people call me "the cool guy" because I'm sooooo cool! like I'm just the best, and it's so fun! wahoooou!"
Haha! Totally awesome! All my friends, family and everyone I ever cared about has died in a zombie apocolypse!
every character is a cliche. but yeah that is a bit overdone these days. yet it connects with some others. I don't think they're stupid
Right? It's a freaking apocalypse, everyone they knew, loved died. They can die a horrible death at any moment, every day is a struggle to survive and theres these stupid characters like that.
Vanguard but it’s zombies.
@@Red_wine that's totally lame, dude! ROFL
That ending credit scene has me in absolute shock jeez
His edits on that part is just perfect, sad to see but, it is what it is.
Yep
Do the same thing with credits for other companies' newer games that claim to be from the "save good old devs" trying to resurrect the "good old franchise" (Blizzard is a good example) to instantly die from a heart attack. This method of false advertisement is used really often by now corporate money sucking companies (Once again, like Blizzard).
I still don't understand why they fight over the developers.
Chronicling
The amount of creativity in designing older games was insane...
the airplane crash from 2007 still looks absolutely amazing, not many scenes after that can reach that
Even though the running joke is that valve can’t count to 3, they literally will not ship an unfinished game. They want every product to be a labor of love
What about artifact?
@@Oreoezi The money spoke for them once on that one. I doubt they'll ever let it speak again.
@@Oreoezi Artifact is an incredible card game, very well designed and highly complex. It was just out of touch with the market.
Man, their games last for a lot of years
I mean, look at Left 4 dead 2 and Team Fortress 2, a lot people play both of them today, they are almost inmortal, even without important updates (mostly in TF2)
Man, they deliver quality, yeah, they have their ups and downs, but they will give quality, fun, great ideas, and not, NOT EVEN ONE, unfinished product, no matter what other people think
Valve wants well earned money, no copy- paste a game to charge more money, demostrating it by releasing Left 4 dead 2 a year after the first one
Yes, im looking to you, Copy Paste Duty Vanguard
I used to think Rockstar got the same principle. Theeen....remaster controversies happen. Even if the remaster was good, they still put crackdown on the mod community.
I hope Crowbcat delivers that too on next video
Remember kids, studios don't make games, talented people do.
This video made me appreciate L4D even more, and I did not think that was possible.
BioWare and Square taught me that lesson.
CDPR still #1 example
tbh it is the same talented people, i guess they didnt put much of their talent on this one tho
I'm going to make a backup of that first sentence. Couldn't have been said better.
12 years in, me and the bois still opting for L4D2 during game nights
I really appreciate how this video just lets the devs of L4D and the games speak for themselves.
Just one of the things I loved about Left 4 Dead. You can feel the stopping power slowing the infected to a halt when you shoot them. It's also baffling how much life (or lack thereof) was put into the Left 4 Dead Infected; How much blood covers their clothing, how emotional the infected faces are, in their body language, hell, even down to the hordes' mosh pit style behavior...
Unfortunately, this isn't just a problem for Turtle Rock. This is an example that very accurately demonstrates the shift in the industry as a whole.
Apparently unless you're Nintendo.
@@Stigmaphobia777 dunno, i can't wrap my mind around the idea of playing mario for 30 years.
@@Stigmaphobia777 Nintendo still thinks a kid in a basement making sprite mods for Mario Bros. will crash the video game industry.
@@Bacony_Cakes The point is they still give a shit about polish, don't chase graphical fidelity at the expense of everything else, and do their own thing-for better or worse. Not that I endorse everything the company does forever, or even play most of what they put out.
@@Stigmaphobia777 I'm just saying that Nintendo should be less murderous when it comes to fan content.
Imagine trying to remake and replace a game so bad that it revives the player base of the game you were trying to replace.
That’s the thing though, the l4d player base never died LOL maybe what a few hundred people who replayed again but L4d is timeless, one of the best and funnest games ever made.
@@deceaseda7x22 ^^^Really though its all good though, sure some modder with no pay with come up with something better.
Basically the Battlefield franchise at this point.
@@deceaseda7x22 Yeah, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 are timeless and has amazing mod support, trying to capitalize on the fame of one of the greatest games of all time while making a product like Back 4 Blood is embarrassing.
@@murkser4149 Too true man. My boys and I are finally reinstalling BF4, for years we didn't think we'd have to go back to it after playing it non-stop for years. DICE lost their way.
left 4 dead gives me the “oh man that thing is coming at me” vibe while back for blood is just “thats a thing i gotta press my button on”
This discussion proves that a good looking game has nothing to do with how many thousands of polygons or lighting arrays. Graphics have a say, sure, but artstyle does too.
art direction over graphics every single time and if you think otherwise you are probably young or a casual dad gamer with kids in his late 30s
One really minor thing about L4D i just thought of was that i never had a favorite character. Everytime i loaded into the game no matter what character i was i was always excited. They all have such fun and unique personalities that make them all fun to play.
Except people don’t really like rochelle, unless you specifically just mean L4D 1. I like every character, and rochelle isn’t anything special but she’s not a bad character. Maybe that’s why they don’t like her, because the rest of the characters *do* feel like something special.
@@SomeOne-vf1rs rochelle is a fine character and ill always be down to play her, but she's just outshined by the other three of L4D2
@@johnnodwarf1201 she was actually originally going to be much different, but the devs removed a lot of her voicelines and personality last minute :/
grabbin pills
@@jasminericenicbut returned for tls update and now she feels like a real human being
13:50 "We base the music on what the player is actually experiencing and not on what we want them to experience" is such a good game design quote, I love it.
Music design in games are so underappreciated, ambiance being the most important. SH2 would be nothing without the music and ambiance
its kind of fascinating how left 4 dead and minecraft went the exact opposite direction in terms of the triggers and choice of music cues, yet both are acclaimed for doing it incredibly well their own way
Back 4 Blood got me experiencin beeps and boops like mr krabs
@@itsCbomb B4B has no recognizable music, yet anyone who has played L4D recognizes the Witch theme immediately
@@ColdRampager doo du dodoo du du doo doooo...
Changing the steam description to "creators of Evolve" is the hottest, sickest burn ever. I can't believe that I was tricked into thinking that Turtle Rock were the geniuses behind everything great about Left for Dead.
It explains so much about the game and how it works on so many levels.
weve seen great rebirths from original-studios-now-free in recent years though (planet coaster, tony hawks), so its not too far fetched to have thought b4b would be a great redoing of l4d
I mean, they were the geniuses behind left 4 dead.
Then valve hired everyone of those geniuses and left behind everyone else to pick up the scraps of the company lmao
@@DrCranberry Valve did more work than them lmao.
@@DrCranberry turtle rock might be “geniuses” that came up with l4d but valve was by far and away the ones running the show creative wise and business wise
I remember my first time through the airport getting outside and the plane crashed. Louis, Bill, Francis and Zoey, in unison, yelled "HOLY SHIT!"
I have never been able to replicate that experience. They have never done it again. It was and is magical the way this game is designed to feel so infinitely replayable.
Closest is in l4d2 when you do the concert finale in dark carnival imo
@@newturtle3don't forget you can walk coach to the mic and make him sang some bits
This is like the movie that says "From the producers who saw Shrek"
The character comparison part was heartbreaking. So much effort went into making the survivors of l4d and l4d2 into human beings and b4b can only produce the most generic smarmy marketable non people I've ever seen and heard in my life
They feel like NPCs from Sunset Overdrive
@@Xenunnaki except sunset did it on purpose
Agreed, b4b characters feel like corporate pandering. Nothing really memorable except the negative aspects. That one tuff girl that constantly spams "oh, so I'm to blame?" after friendly fire makes me want to team kill her immediately
It’s just so uninteresting and booring, no character or color to the characters at all.
The characters in B4B are like a Flanderized ripoff of Kickass or Suicide Squad. Just painfully cringy "fuck you we got this lol" bullshit.
Seeing how many of L4D's team is not present in the making of B4B makes you quickly realize why things turned out the way it did
Well, that and being published by a publicly traded corporation this time instead of a privately own business like Valve
The people who made B4B are people that gave the concept of l4d
@@dcmcmother3531not really. A couple of people at turtle rock were involved with valve a long time ago and turtle rock used that as a marketing ploy but a majority of turtle rocks team had never been involved and those that eere involved with valve... Well... Their involvement with l4d2 was definitely misrepresented
To be clear I am referring to the employees of turtle rock at the time of back4blood. Yes turtlerock was the studio that originally made l4d but there had been staffing changes.
5-7 people from left4dead Made b4b and people say "the creators of left 4 dead" the next Thing IS "the creators of evolve" i did Not know that but yes they cant make good Games because they dont have the Skill for that.
@@dcmcmother3531 Concepts are easy, concepts are cheap. Go to any pub around the world and have a few drinks with a mate, you'll have hundreds of free "concepts" right there already.
Actually implementing them, however.... That takes skill, talent, time and dedication.
This is the example of the true example of when people say old games don't hold up because of graphics, they're dead, wrong. Old games don't hold up because of their mechanics and their stiffness in their controls but left for dead. For example, in 2008 the animations, the controls the smoothness of the game play, the smoothness of the healing the smoothness of the teen controls the residual generation of objects and other things. And then the realistic ragdoll facts mixed with animations makes the game in presentation still hold up graphically because everything looks good, feels good, so then like, yeah, the textures aren't the best, but there's still 2008 source 2 engine textures, it holds up because everything else holds up. It's be like saying borderlands doesn't hold up when it does because it's controls, it's.
I agree but I will add I can’t play borderlands 2 anymore because 3 is soooo smooth. Not that borderlands 2 isn’t smooth anymore it’s just 3 got it so fucking good I can’t go back
Here is me still playing Fallout New Vegas, GTA San Andreas and trying Fallout 1 on my phone. Games made with heart are treasure. Bland game money grabber are tasteless.
gave B4B a hell of a try, for almost a full year its pretty much all I played... but you know what happened. I Started playing L4D2 again and havent stopped... There is no comparison when it comes to Replay L4D2 is a Juggernaut even after 10+ years.
I also gave b4b a 4th try yesterday, but I got bored of it, and rather frustrated from it, because stuff like trauma and the continue system limit creativity and fun with the game.
I've been trying and it's o.k. but I'm unable to get past a part in the abomination fight without someone else because the bots don't shoot at the objective only at infected. Still absolute garbage compared to L4D and there's way too much extra junk with all the supply lines and cards.
it started getting to the point where there were no players and I was waiting forever for a game to start. @@jayh5840
Damn the stark differences in quality... back to L4D2 we go!
Back4L4d2😳
finally.... I'm really glad people are done wasting their time with new games like b4b. I play l4d2 often and the only other ppl are latinos and asians, I love that they play but they often don't speak english like me so its hard to communicate.
I'ma be real with you. The quality is in L4D1, not L4D2. A lot of stuff is janky or got gutted in L4D2 even with the maps transitioned over.
@@3yebex like what exactly?
Someone play l4d2 on xbox with me no 1 ik got it
I don't really care about Back 4 Blood, but this made me realize just how much of a masterpiece Left 4 Dead is.
It's even more impressive when you find out that it was released over 13 years ago.
Couldn't agree more. Btw, didn't except to see you here Dante! Hope you're doing well man. Can't wait for your next vid lol.
Totally agree, this video made me want to play Left 4 Dead again
Really makes one wants to play L4D again..
I play left 4 dead almost every day. And now my Lil brother plays with me, so it's even more fun.
older games seem like the was made with love. now just rush straight to the money
That burn at the end with Evolve.
every new game kinda feels like the grey burgers from spongebob
You mean the synthetic patty?
@@jendouglas9781yes
The ending was done so well. The last 5 seconds alone tell you all you need to know about this game.
The debunking of “the creators of Left4Dead” selling point was also huge. Back4blood really used that tagline as a crutch in their PR moves. Fooled people into trusting that the game was in good hands. People who are now questioning the drop in quality and not being able to pinpoint it.
I didn't even have to look at direct gameplay to realize it wasn't gonna be good. The trailers themselves were obvious, and awful. Just another studio shamelessly relying on a now very ancient success. I always hated that shit.
I was about to complain that that's illogical, NOTHING can explain everything in 5 seconds, not even Crowbcat.
Then I saw the ending and I completely changed my mind. Lol.
@@sanderzphillipsand solidify that Valve had a lot to do with L4D's success
This is why its dangerous to focus on studios and not the talent who made the games. Studios don't make games, artists do.
I only realized this just now but at 0:30, Francis tries to shove the hunter when he wakes up out of pure instinct. That's some attention to detail from the animator.
Lucky, you got hearted by a guy that barely even talks lol.
yeah you can definitely hear the shoving sound
An attention to detail that would make Valve proud, unlike with B4B.
deadstopping hunters has always been fucking awesome
insane detail
good lord the zoey face animation at 17:53 paired with the scream portrays such genuine terror its uncanny
L4D 1 and 2 could be the curriculum in a masterclass on game design. It's actually hard to believe how simple and elegant they were, looking at them from a modern perspective. AAA mutliplayer games with no costmetics, loot boxes, microtransactions, crafting, levelling or perk unlocking. No treadmills of any kind to artificially extend playtime - just extremely well-designed, fun-as-hell gameplay. Created by devs who carefully considered every aspect, right down to the tiny details.
I've always wished for a game to recapture a similar feeling to the many hours I spent playing them, and have never found one.
And to think that down the hood they are empowered half life 2 mods lol
The fact they literally said that they won't allow mods for B4B and never will in the future is enough to convince me that the game is gonna go straight to the trash bin.
I mean, I was convinced when the actively nerfed the speed perks in order to force the speedrunners to play the game in only the way they intended.
@@ryanhendricks1027 just force crossplay off if any mods are installed?
@@ryanhendricks1027 not that I can think of off the top of my head, just thought it was an obvious solution.
@@ryanhendricks1027 Microsoft does it fine with mcc actually, seperate launch option in steam for mod support.
23:22 even the reporter couldn't help laughing when they said B4B will have no modding support
Everyone talking about how ahead of it's time Left 4 Dead was but, the way I see it, more and more games are just behind the times.
Not many try and innovate anymore. Instead they just hype up consumers with false promises. It's sad really.
Yeah Left 4 Dead isn't a technical marvel or anything (the source engine itself was pretty ahead of the times though) it's simply a good game that is the result of developers that care about their product and spend all their time and effort focusing on what makes the best experience.
Nowadays developers are only thinking about how their game can be Fortnite 2 so they can extract as much money as possible from the wallets of their playerbase. Doesnt matter if they have fun, only matters if they continue to give you money for battle passes and ridiculous, immersion breaking cosmetics.
I think you mean all games by Triple A companies. Some indie games are still great and innovative. Although the Triple A side is just Hyping up, Selling unfinished games and nothing else.
@@kgkomrin Absolutely, Ive actually been playing better and better games recently because I keep finding Indie Gems lately now that Ive leaned away from big titles. It's really great to see the medium in this new light!
I mean, even for it's time, Left 4 Dead was really good. It's just that we didn't know how good we had it. With developers who had passion and ideas to make good video games. Nowadays, it's more about making the most money for the least amount of effort.
This video right here NEEDS to be required viewing for all kinds of game development schooling. This is an absolute must watch.
Not sure if anybody has already pointed it out but I like how in the beginning animation Francis, after getting spooked by B4B’s equivalent of a Hunter, he does a shove move as if he was trying to counter a Hunter’s pounce before falling to the floor. It even looks like he was doing so as if holding a two handed gun such as his preferred shotgun.
Blows my mind that game companies have higher budgets than ever and every possible way to monetize a game, but they can't create the fundamentals of what makes great games
ikr
All that money is spent into making the graphics look great.
@@Pennycilin3 lol ok go watch a movie for that I’m here to PLAY
Its all about making the most Money with the least Budget/Effort possible
Thinking that made me quit learning how to be a Game developer, the industry is full of corporate BS
Because they aren't hiring the talent that used to make games great anymore. They're hiring quotas.
The ending showing just how many of the people behind Left 4 Dead were from Valve, and how little went on to Turtle Rock is jaw dropping. Great work as always Crowbcat.
People in comments be screaming how Valve was only the publisher, or only a supporting muscle in creation of L4D, which is not ... very true
Sad that valve will never release l4d3
False advertising and idiot consumers is the only reason why the gaming industry hasn't crashed yet, along with anti-consumer practices like pre-order bonuses and microtransactions. The industry should have crashed over a decade ago.
Man took the words out of my mouth.
@@JagerFrostTroll sadly consoomers outnumber everyone else by a large amount and with more and more airheads getting into gaming every year that number will only grow. as long as people dont give enough of a shit about their own money to not quite literally let someone legally steal it from them it will never ever crash.
What I like about this channel is that he isn’t a total negative guy. He loves the show how brilliant and well-designed these games games used to be
This just helps to show just how timeless L4D and L4D2 are, it’s genuinely sad that nothing has been able to replicate the experience that they have
BO III zombies is pretty good
Meanwhile, Valve somewhere: We must send a bouquet with a card to Turtle Rock Studios for promoting our 13 year old game. They are amazing!
Nice
I actually saw that vid and went to play L4D2 after 10 years since I last launched it
Wait, did they do that ?
Imagine valve actually trying to make game this days they would rake most of goty for themselves
L4D giga chad moment🤣
Damn I never really thought about how left 4 dead zombie behaviour and animations were so detailed. Gotta appreciate that.
I didn't even notice if they fought amongst eachother, I just shot them as soon as I saw 'em
Usually the small things you only notice and miss when they are gone 😢
Personally it’s so hard to tell when it gives off so much fun you end up spending so much hours on the game
Never thought but definitely felt.
And to think that this game runs smoothly on a potato computer such as mine is just another level.
The reason why the Back 4 Blood devs refuse to make it open to mod makers, is because they're insecure that the modders will do a better job at making Back 4 Blood a better experience.
Meanwhile in Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, you can play as Obama, Altair, Kiryu, and 2B fighting a horde of Amogus with an M60 straight from nam, a balloon sword, chicken, a case of bud light, and anabolic steroids.
the character writing part is what made me realize how much i hate this "Millenial Writing". like lady; there's a zombie apocalypse, your loved ones are already dead or something worse happened to them, your life will never be the same "I'M a CoLLeGe GirL wiTH a BasEbALL bAt".
left 4 dead games also had humor in them but it never felt misplaced, the bickering between characters felt real and allowed players to understand them better. while B4B characters just make lifeless jokes and drop meaningless F-bombs
Exactly. That's why I love characters like Nick. While he seems very spiteful, almost like he hates the rest of the group. Throughout the campaigns they grow on him as he also feels concerned for them (especially if you hear the dialogue when he heels teammates)
Can we *not* make "Millennial Writing" a thing? Like, sure it's not good writing in this case, but the term is such a nothing burger.
@@ZelphTheWebmancercringe millennial spotted
@@painfullyhuman Weak reply. I'm not millennial, I was born in '97, but even if I was my point still stands.
@@ZelphTheWebmancerTell that to those "quirky" writers then. Or, better yet, tell them to quit their jobs since writing isn't something they're good at.
Left for dead writers: We wanted to make a diverse yet realistic set of characters who looked good together and by themselves so every particular player could find their favorite to associate with while keeping it all plausable.
Back 4 blood writers: we wanted to make as many generic quirky characters as possible because it's very trendy and helps boost the sales we think maybe.
Having quirky characters isn't a bad thing. But in B4B their entire character their quirk. There is no depth to their character whatsoever.
@@Chorismos it's horrible, all the b4b character designs look like something you'd find in a game like fortnite
@Entua Nick: "i'm gonna punch their face in..."
Rochelle: "one step ahead of ya."
@@therubypenguin8042 they have good one liners
@@ziqqerlad suits there personality aswell
Crazy how Valve said "we wanted to take an extremely successful game and make it even better, not just make money off a successful title." Exactly what's wrong with entertainment nowadays
Exactly what Turtle Rock did
i suppose they still carry that ideology since they haven't released sequels for a long time.
@@scottjefferson4048 its hard to improve on near perfection. Look what EA did to starwars battlefront. Made it look better at the expense of all fun
@@scottjefferson4048 There's also the fact that sequels aren't particularly needed for their flagship series, outside of the obvious half life. Portal and L4D have "finished" storylines, and TF2 doesn't need a sequel.
@@jonsanta8452 yeah, the only one that is left unfinished is half life.
“Bring it up to modern standards with modern graphics and technology.”
I assure you. L4D1/L4D2’s graphics were either way ahead of their time or B4B’s definition of modern graphic is just fortnite.
L4D graphics are fairly mediocre for a AAA company. The Source engine was showing its age and it didn't really hold up graphically.
Almost nobody actually thinks this, though, because L4D and L4D2 had fantastic visual design and a whole lot of thought was put into both the assets and presentation. And THAT matters more than graphical fidelity. People usually don't care if textures are low resolution, or models are low poly, because that's only one part of what makes a game look GOOD.
@@VanessaMagick *Bro really called Source engine mediocre and said it did not aged well.*
@@carinhatube3727 Only in terms of graphic fidelity and nothing else. I realize getting through two whole paragraphs is hard so I won't blame you for not reading the second one but come on, I made it clear in the first sentence.
@@VanessaMagick I actually read it all. But, I misinterpreted. I'm sorry, you're right.
Man, I have A LOT of core memories for Left 4 Dead. I still remember my 1st playthrough and I stopped playing the game immediately when I heard the witch's crying and its creepy music.
Also there are fond memories playing L4D2 with my friends and our hilarious moments on it.
When Back 4 Blood was announced, I was so excited about it. But luckily I didn't have the cash to spend so much for the game, and one of buddies who bought it told us to not buy it and he greatly regretted purchasing the game. 😂
During the time it first came out I luckily had gamepass on Xbox and was able to play it for free, me and my friends spent a hour on it and never played it again. So glad I didn’t spend money on it.
Turtlerock Studios' only selling point was literally just them cramming the "We're the creators of Left 4 Dead! We're the *REAL* creators! The original ones! Yeah! Us!" chant down our throats. And that's it. That's all they had going for them with this.
If B4B doesn't get a workshop, then this game is gonna plummet faster and harder than my IQ
I completly agree with you on this. B4B is a horrible copy paste of L4D, where they brought none of the good things.
The game is already done for, its dead
@@victor95pc you can say it’s… “Left 4 Dead.”
It would be a shame if they had two terrible flops in a row…
Modding often can fix a glitchy, generally shitty game anyhow, and make it stupidly prosperous. (*cough cough* literally any recent Bethesda release in the past 13 years).
I seriously don't understand why B4B wouldnt want to allow their game to be modded...
I wish more games had the developer commentary that a lot of Valve games have. They provide a fantastic look into what the developers had in mind when they were making their games.
Same tbh
There’s a fantastic game called gunpoint that has this if you’d be interested in checking it out. It is dlc though.
How many developers have the kind of thoughtfulness and commitment to quality that Valve does?
@@cajunboy67 probably a lot, you just cant see it because they dont have development comentaries
Cry of fear also had those dev cpmmentary and mind you they were pretty good and not just slapped there because
It’s unreal how truly scary and immersive left 4 dead 1 and 2 still are. There’s still never been a zombie game to beat it.
One thing I appreciate is that Valve acknowledged that they wouldn't be the company they are today without their fans which is something alot of studios nowadays seem to forget. It's one of the main reasons Valve's games are beloved cause they understand what their fans want and how to deliver.
Hearing Gabe talk about “making a game that our fans would be proud of because they built our business” feels like a fever dream.
Hearing passion and drive to make a good product is all to rare in the industry nowadays. Investors decide what gets put out and it’s going to be what makes the most $$$
Yeah and keep in mind the context of it also was that L4D2 was released very shortly after the first game, so there were many people asking if it was proper sequel or if it should have been a DLC for the original.
That's where the "companies exist to make money" mindset got us. Money above all else, and then you'll get blamed for expecting a decent product and buying it like a constant game of "quit hitting yourself".
@@MacenW I feel the same. Though the company's policies and relationships with their own series are debatable, it's hard not to trust them at least a bit, considering arguably everything they've put out is still regarded a wonder of game design decades later
i can only dream about a left 4 dead 3 with mod support. i hope it happens one day
Valve is privately owned. They don't have investors.
A largely underappreciated aspect of L4D zombie's animation is how they continue running and walking towards you even after they technically die from a gameplay perspective. Not only this looks a lot more natural and fluid, it really adds up to the whole horror experience, forcing you to be on alert even when the danger had passed and spent far more bullets than you have to sometimes.
It kinda reminds me of the old Resident Evil death animations
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That was probably one of the most frustrating and irritating mechanics of Left4Dead for me. Knowing now that it was intentional and why they did it, I can appreciate the artistry at least... but man does it make the game so much more infuriating to actually play. And it cheats you out of the satisfaction of kills too, because instead of feeling like you killed the zombie yourself or giving you a satisfying ragdoll, they all die from "bleeding out" instead.
So true. The normal game idea of instant ragdolling removes the connection period from life to death. It's just an on and off switch. To add the stagger here where you can't even be sure where along the way the zombie actually died is so important. It adds SO much realism in such a split second of information
@@cynthius6567 It's because the game feels like it cares about immersion above all else. In real life you would not be able to tell when the zombie is truly out of commission. It adds a skill cap too where you can stop shooting earlier by sort of memorizing when the zombie is actually dead, and thus you can save more bullets with more experience. Back4Blood is about arcadey zombie shooting. Left4Dead is about immersion in a post apocalypse
The L4D sound design is incredible. I could hardly tell what special infected were around in B4B but could recognize the cough of a Smoker a mile away.
crazy how he just uses dev notes and gameplay to show his point.
Generally when the marketing goes "from the creators of [older but amazing IP]" what they generally mean is that they just have one or two people from the original team.
That's how I kind of felt when they kept selling Outer Worlds as "From the creators of Fallout: NV". Granted, Outer Worlds turned out rather well and stands as a good game on its own. But you can't call it another New Vegas by any stretch.
@@commanderzander580 Damn not even close. FNV was all sorts of incredible, OW is just ok.
It had the 2 of the 6 Turtle Rock employees who made L4D.
@@commanderzander580 Well, now we got Bethesda and the creators of Fallout: NV in one place... **insert wild imagination here**
@@commanderzander580 outer worlds was made by the creators of the fallout universe in general, not 1 or 2 devs but the ones that came up with every concept and were behind fo1, fo2 and NV
I didn’t realize how big of a deal the breakable objects are, it really adds to the realism and it doesn’t feel right to shoot at a tv and it doesn’t break
This whole video is full of stuff that make you realise you never fully appreciated til it's pointed out and compared to a much worse game
The fact it all just works so seamlessly and flawlessly means you don't even *notice* it, most of the time
i play video games for the breakable objects desu
I dont hate Back4Blood but I was very disappointed in it. Because of all the reasons in this video. How a game from a decade ago can out class a new game like Back4blood in almost EVERY way is baffling. Watching this just drives it home even harder. Its very frustrating watching game companies go down the drain. Its pathetic how Indie games out class most triple A games.
@@obligatorylynx308 And it's not like they didn't have the time....
B4B does have breakable objects, crowbcat just showed all the non breakable ones
OOF. That Evolve roast at the very end.
Great video.
I've never touched L4D, but now I think I will.
What's funny is both L4D games cost £8.50, B4B costs £49.99.
Somehow, the cheap game being the better game isn't a surprise.
It’s not that cheap when it was released in 2008. L4D was 60$ when it first come out.
@ *You've completely misunderstood his argument.*
imagine if valve said “Fuck this" and decided to create L4d3
maybe they somehow predict a future where the 3rd installment of their popular IP’s goes horribly wrong and got dunked on harder than if they didn’t release
@@The_whales There were rumours about L4D3 being an open world game (back when Valve still made games), but i'm completely sure that current L4D playerbase would have despised that lol
A third Valve game on a Valve franchise? Never.
It appeared in the codes
I don't trust the current Valve to make a great game ever again. The old masters left a long time ago.
I'm mentally exhausted from every single new character in everything being a sardonic, detached, and borderline sociopathic quip-master in every situation. It's just sickening at this point.
Not just video games either, mainstream movie characters are more braindead than ever *cough cough* Marvel *cough cough*.
And the equally braindead audience of today eats it up. "10/10!!!!!! WOaH SooOi CoOL ACTiON AcTIOn ACtION!!!!!!!!!"
The conversations were funny for first time, but after an hour, it gets sickening. Listen to the left 4 dead survivors, their voice lines are not tiring to listen to due to the interactions between each other along with how they act around certain environmental events
@@catboat863 basically the world is out of new shit
@@yamabushi170 they just aren't trying. It's all about money, not passion for the subject
I see you played Apex Legends
The fact that Left 4 dead 2 was rushed in one year after L4D1 and its still vastly superior, makes Back 4 Blood incredibly pathetic. Only credit they have is basic cast concept early on and doing what i did as kid in Counterstrike 1.6 with terrorist only bots with knives and me as single ct. Its nothing special.
I love the fact that this guy never said a word in the video, literally showing, not telling
This demonstrates how you can take so much detailing and polish for granted in the moment but you notice immediately when it's no longer present.
Details are what makes a good game great
Only Crowbat noticed.
@@yongyea4147 Nah as a Left 4 Dead fan it was blatantly obvious that special infected have missing cues, there's no music, and the AI director is just constantly spawning zombies around you without any valleys in the action, same thing with every single level being boring. I guess designing organically progressing linear environments is much harder than just funneling players through couple feet wide corridors. It's almost like you need actual talent to make a fun game, not just the "original creator's" idea. I deleted the beta of Back 4 Blood and never looked back. It's mindbending that 10 years later they made a WORSE, more generic zombie shooter
@@folx2733 " It's mindbending that 10 years later they made a WORSE," game i think this is the story of most games coming out now.
@@yongyea4147 No, the violence, characters, music, refined gameplay, and stellar visual effects are hardly thing you don't notice go missing. And all of that IS MISSING in Back 4 Blood.
I got Back 4 Blood free, and I still feel ripped off
i bought whole valve pack, alteast 20 games for 3 USD LOL
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf That's a lifetime of happiness right there
@@123abcdancewithme
Agreed. Valve pack and rockstar pack. You are complete
I loved Left4Dead 1 and 2 but this gave me a whole new appreciation for those games.
Never really noticed these nuances when playing L4D2 when I was younger. But I guess thats the point right? It added so much to the atmosphere and tone and you don’t really notice how much it matters til its not there anymore. First time seeing B4B all I could think was “Something’s off, something is missing” now i know
I always noticed those things inside valve motor. Thats why i have playef half life 2 campaign since im like 14 years old xd. That game feels diferent, is like a world inside a world. The vast mayority of other games feel more superficial in comparison. Even to this day. Another good example of that is dishonored, the game feels alive with that little details.
that is true when i played b4b the first few times it felt.....off, maybe its cuz i didnt notice the gore like l4d2 has or guns dont have the weight behind them like when ya fired a magnum in l4d2 you felt the power it has vs b4b weightless feel
@@bomnitoperro9422 Walking around in the real world these days is a bit like walking around City 17 in Half-Life 2 with the covidstapo shutting down businesses and oppressing the people.
i know right, its amazing how much you don't realize how all the little things just add on to make a game go from amazing to " this doesn't feel right"
Was thinking of this watching this. I didn't even notice the detail of zombie animations in L4D when I was younger until I watched this video but when you compare it to an experience without it, it's night and day. The contextual music is a huge one as well. Didn't neccessarily notice it when it isn't there but it definitely makes a huge difference sub conciously