Can a V8 Still Compete in a Turbocharged World? We Tune & Drag Race Three Trucks To Find Out!
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2.7 ecoboost (6.15 standard. 4.83 tuned) 3.5 ecoboost (6.32 standard. 4.36 tuned) 5 liter v8 (6.94 standard 5.44 tuned)
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They should have tried an e85 tune on the 5.0
I’ve owned 6 Ecoboost engines spanning 2011 to 2019. Not one failure. Not one repair, just normal maintenance.
Good engines.
How many miles are you putting on them? I am looking at a F150 with either Ecoboost motor, but want to get at least 200K miles out of it.
My first one, an ‘11 went 140k before I traded it in. It was still running very strong. My wife’s ‘11 Platinum went 60k before trading it in (she gets a new car every 2-3 years). Her second one, a ‘14 Plat went around 60k and then she went into a ‘17 Expedition with the 3.5, 48k on it. I’m currently driving a ‘18 XLT with the 3.5 and she just bought a Lincoln Nautilus with the 2.7. All the 3.5s ran like a top when traded in. For me the key was 5000 mile oil changes with a quality synthetic oil and Motorcraft filter, run top tier gas - we used 89 or 91-93. Motorcraft sparkplugs and air filter every 45-50k. Zero oil consumption on all of them. Don’t be scared to drive the daylights out of the thing, it’s good to keep them blown out. Don’t try to hyper-mile one, they love to be worked.
@@502Chevy Completely agree with good oil every 5K. I have 197K on my 2010 Nissan Pathfinder. Change the oil every 5500-6500 miles using Mobil 1. I haven't had to change the plugs, which has shocked me. This thing runs like a top and I definitely don't baby it. Thanks for the reply!
No EcoBoost death rattle on startup in all of those engines?
Nope.Every one of them silent as a mouse on start up, even after sitting for a couple of days.
I got gapped by a 2.7 f150 and I'm here to wonder why haha. Really impressive engines actually.
😂😂 dude I literally bought a 2.7 f150 because of this video. I don't have it anymore but it was a really fun drive
The reason is the 2.7L has smaller turbos than the 3.5L. A smaller turbo spools quicker than bigger one. The down side is they don't make the power a big turbo makes. When you take the Raptor and the Ram TRX off the table, the 2.7L F150 is the quickest truck sold in America to 60 MPH. The down side is by the end of the quarter mile its playing second fiddle to the 3.5L. Now when the Hurricane powered Ram hits the streets, this is a brand new ball game.
Just bought a 2.7 Ecoboost. Has MORE than enough power. Drive it around in ECO mode every day because it's really really fast for a truck. Getting 24 MPG highway, 19 city.
Ian Sieller just hope yours isn’t one with bad valve guides. Once mine let go and they replaced the short block and heads, it wasn’t the same. I was lucky to get 15 City and 18 HWY...
@@mcinteer19 I hope so too!!
Same here I have about a 6.5k miles and average 22mpg
I’m lucky to get a consistent 20mpg on the highway in my 2.7 in eco mode. The instruments can be misleading; when it says I’ve gotten 21.3 mpg and I stop to fill it up, I divide the gallons by miles driven to discover I’ve only gotten around 19.
City, I get about 18mpg, freeway right around 26mpg. I don't know the mileage for towing, but I towed car from Dallas, TX to Detroit, MI and I really didn't constant shifting. Maybe that's normal when towing. I was towing right around 5500lbs with trailer and car. Also with towing the mpg will vary with weight.
I just bought a 2020 3.5 ecoboost and this video is a big reason why. Thanks to you and 5star
Now Ford needs to turbocharge the 5.0!
That will never happen.
Put boost on it yourself, there are many kits on the market for the 5.0, superchargers are extremely reliable horsepower and deliver linear power
They need to do that for the Raptor
In your dreams. The only way I see that if they release a limited svt or lightning edition.
Emmanuel Alvarez And even at that, it would be supercharged, not turboed...like others said, will never happen!
Turbo a V8 for best of everything
WHOS WITH ME
Displacement always wins
6.7 powerstorke turbo diesel
@@TheRandomActivity yee but since downsizing displacement is lacking in everyrhing more and more due to turbos so... next F-150 will be a 4pot 2.0t maybe lol
You'll just have to run the Quad through the Gymnasium
Take a 6.2 V8 EcoBoost and put it in the Raptor. Who wants to buy a 6 cyl 70k truck. If they jack up these prices anymore I'll have to check with the electric company before I make a purchase to see how high my electricity bill is first.
The 2.7L is actually a very heavily built motor. Four bolt mains, compacted graphite iron block (the only production gasoline engine to use it), an aluminum ladder frame block skirt , that basically makes it a deep skirt block (and directly supports the main bearing caps), forged everything (pistons, con rods, crank, and cams) semi-open engine deck ( I call it semi-closed deck because there are 6 support points instead of the conventional 3 with semi-open) as opposed to the open deck 5.0 and 3.5 ecoboost, monolithic head and exhaust manifold (which means the exhaust manifold and turbos have coolant journals, which both speeds up engine warm up and reduces turbo and combustion chamber operating temperatures) and is just physically more compact (which inherently adds strength) with a very high lubricant capacity per displacement (2.22 qts per liter of displacement in a shorter block design vs 1.6 qts per liter in the 5.0l, and 1.7 qts per liter in the 3.5 [2.24 qts per liter in the 6.7 powerstroke] )
I would love to have 2.7 own one - impressed by the depth of rugged technology used in it. This engine is a marvel - the only CGI (compacted graphite iron) block petrol engine in the world!
I salute you sir , great knowledge come with great responsibility.
The 2.7 has a wet belt inside, any issues with that?
@@ilgarkarimov7110Any issues with the wet belt?
@@JulianoGSF Deal breaker for me. Saw a teardown video on a 2.7 ecoboost with 96,000 miles. The wet belt was severely cracked and looked like it was on the verge of falling apart. Video is on TH-cam
I’m not a Ford fan, but drove my friends 2014 eco boost gen 1 3.5 eco boost and I literally forgot I had a 3000 lb trailer behind me
I would've sold the truck and bought a more durable place to live. Long as your place has under 50k Miles on it U should be alright
3000lbs isn't really anything though. A Jeep can pull that.
Try 2015 and up rides smoother and better power.
Pretty smooth
Slimmy Hendrix under 50K? You’ve never drove a Ecoboost clearly. I have 150K miles and it’s doing fantastic
"i don't want the electronic nannies to take any power away from me" -Andre
More BS from Ford’s minions. #selfchargingelectric
I'll give up the 1+ second for the smooth power and longevity the V-8 provides.
im a ford service technician and I can tell you since 2017 the 5.0 is junk. they blow up. im seeing more and more 5.0 long blocks getting replaced. they have so many tsb for 5.0 like oil consumption and engine rattle noise caused by vct. ford is putting a lot of r&d in 3.5 eb. 3.5 eb is now more reliable then the 5.0.
alexandre gelinas what about the '15 5.0 reliability wise? Looking at getting one before too long. Stuck between that or a Focus ST lol
@@gentry5656 15 5.0 are good and the 6 speed transmission is also good. you cant go wrong with a focus st. just don't tune it lol
alexandre gelinas Yeah the only tune I'd get is a Ford Performance tune. Btw when I said '15 5.0 I was referring to the F150 not mustang. I'd assume they're the same engine with little differences here and there. I'm in the internal debate of fun car or nice truck lol
alexandre gelinas
Yes, alexandre is right. Check out the Ford F-150 forums and you can read about the headache of the 5.0 engine. Unusual high oil consumption, and engine rattle enough to make you regret your purchase.
This video made me appreciate the 2.7 more. My pops has a 3.5 ecoboost in his F150 and I really want the Coyote 5.0 but this video just opened up new doors for when I buy an F150. Great video
4.3 0 to 60 was the time for the Ferrari 430 not to long ago
The $40k '97 Corvette C5 did a 4.5. That's probably the most impressive, since you can buy one these days for $8000.
@@enthused7591 Thats the reason older sports cars just do not appeal to me anymore, when they can be beat by a ford P/U, whats the point?
@@schlooonginator1227 That's a 2019 $45,000 truck. What's the point of what?
F430 did 0-60 in about 3.8 s
@@schlooonginator1227 braking and handling?
Finally someone did this video!! Had been looking for one where all 3 engines were put on the track with and without a tune!! Thank you!
That profile pic though 🤣
Excellent video good job on tbe comparison.
I was very surprised on the results. I have least and plan to purchase a 2019 xlt crew 2.7 eco boost and it is a impressive engine 23.5 mpg yesterday morning fill up. The computer claimed a little higher than that but. 87 octane. Loved the video, my first ford in over 20yrs so far so good..
These tests are why I love this channel
Little unfair with the 2.7 being ext cab and 5.0 being 4 door
Tristian Fincher my thought exactly
Was thinking that while watching they need the same cab and bed configurations
Yea because 150 pounds will turn a truck into a race car
Ford dosent offer the 2.7 in a 4 door
@@claytonburch5181 yes they do I own one
All good information to know. Thank you to the sound technician having you wear a wireless microphone. To many videos overlook quality audio.
Those 2.7 and 3.5 motors are impressive. I'd love to see a follow-up video comparing them to a tuned supercharged 5.0.
There is no comparison if you supercharge a 5.0. Its larger displacement and two more cylinders. The ceiling is much higher with the Coyote but that requires tremendously more dollars spent. On a tight budget you can't beat the Ecoboost. And the 3.5 can make 552whp tuned on e50 and a couple moddest bolt ons. An E85 tuned 5.0 with headers, cold air intake and Boss manifold only gets you to about 475. And you haven't purchased a supercharger yet. But for sure Supercharged Coyote engines are absolutely nasty. And there also numerous videos of Coyote NA guys that have those things moving. This is a dollar for dollar comparison. Ecoboost come from the factory with a power adder and despite the smaller engine, tuning can achieve more with a power adder.
@@lil2.74 My thoughts exactly. Twin-turbo 5.0. The physics of the design of a V8 is far superior to any V6 or I4.
Superchargers are crankshaft driven and don’t have lag since it doesn’t have to spool up to make boost.
@@lil2.74this couldn’t be further from the truth , if you have knowledge about mechanics you can do pretty much anything you put your mind to.
@flamingdragon86 Lol...so I guess what you are trying to say is that all of the brilliant minds that have gotten the na Coyote to 475whp just haven't figured it out yet? Everything I have said is dead on. I guess you have a 552whp 5.0 Coyote with nothing but an e50 tune, CAI and a catback exhaust. You ought to be advertising it, your secrets will make you rich. You can do anything you put your mind to and without spending money. Good luck. Again, if you buy a new 5.0 F150 and a new 3.5 Ecoboost F150 and a maximum of 1000.00 bucks in mods is all that is allowed, the Coyote has no chance. It has a higher ceiling with extra money because it is the same DOHC 4V technology and more cubic inches, it doesn't come with a power adder straight off the lot. And a 5.0 na Coyote can scream, with catless longtubes etc. Again $$$$$. This video is about 3 of the offerings available in an F150, with a tune and the 5.0 lost. The comment I replied to was someone stating that they would like to see them up against a Supercharged Coyote. Why? Thats not an equal comparison. Superchargers aren't free. That is a major additional cost. If money doesn't matter I'd like to see my tuned 2.7 Ecoboost F150 up against a Twin Turbo Coyote Promod. I think I can take it, I can achieve anything I put my mind to. Lol, thanks for straightening me out.
I'm planning on ordering a XLT supercab soon and I'm definitely going with the 2.7 with 3.73 gears. I've done a ton of research on the ecoboost engines and they are truly impressive, especially the 2.7. Most people don't know it but the 2.7 is statistically the most reliable engine sold in the F150. It has fewer warranty claims than all the others, likely due to the stout CGI cylinder block. That alone plus excellent fuel economy and ample capability, it's the perfect fit for my needs. I don't think I'd even bother tuning it. Great video!
1500 mile trip thru the CO and UT mountains, fully loaded bed and rear seat. Cruise set on 75. Just under 20 mpg.
I just bought a 2.7 and was questioning my decision as I wanted more power.
I'm now happy with my decision.
My buddy is an Engineer at Ford Dearborn and he told me the same thing as well.
Time for an update! Did you get the 2.7 with 3.73?
@@Maverick09171 Well, I ordered my F150, but it never showed up in over 6 months, so I got tired of waiting and canceled the order. In the mean time, I did a bunch of research on GM's I6 Duramax diesel and fell in love with it. I test drove it in a Sierra and it's unbelievably efficient and smooth. At this point, I'm planning to order a Silverado RST with the I6 Duramax. I just found out that engine is being revised for 2023 and I'm trying to find out exactly what GM is changing so I can decide if I want to order the current engine now or wait for the revised version. Unfortunately, there isn't much info out there yet.
For those talking about the weight difference between the Supercab and the Supercrew... the 2.7 4x4 supercab is actually only 62lbs lighter than the 5.0 Supercrew 4x4.
The 2.7 Supercab 4x4 is actually 7lbs HEAVIER than the 5.0 Supercab 4x4?!? Not what I expected. And I have a 2018 Supercab 4x4 with the 5.0. The weights are from Fords site.
What an amazing time we live in!! These 0-60 numbers were supercar territory in the late 1990's/early 2000's; not all that long ago... These are full-size pickup trucks!! Their respective powerplants generate impressive output for their displacement, and go about it efficiently; smoothly even. Fuel economy has improved quite a bit just in the last 6 years as well.
Oooooh yeah
A little bit of it is the engines, but mostly the newer transmissions with 10 gears etc are responsible for these fast times. Put a 4 speed auto in one of these trucks and see how slow it goes.
Don't forget that aluminum body sheds over 700 pounds... AND no rust!
@@IndependenceIron not exactly. 7th gear is 1:1, so you have 3 overdrive gears. My SHO tuned with six gears will do 60 in the same time as the 3.5 truck. Of course I'm a bit lighter but not by much at 4400 pounds. 500+ lb-ft torque from 1500 rpm is pretty motivating no matter the gear 😉. The torque/hp curve is more telling than the max numbers especially when comparing the na to turbo engines.
A lot of it is the transmissions keeping the rpm in a tighter band allowing the factory and the tuners to optimize a really narrow region of performance... Older engines had much flatter hp/torque curves die to limited # of gears (which was one reason manuals used to be so much quicker...)
Good video, and moved right along, exciting! Keep up the good work.
1/4 mile times would have been nice to have.
I think I need this in my life.
That 3.5L sounds very good. The filming is top notch, always love watching Andreys videos.
Imagine a factory twin turbo 5.0😳
Imagine a supercharged 6.2 V8
Well let’s see....375hp divided by 3.5L = 107.4 hp per liter x 5.0= 535.7 hp For torque, 470 divided by 3.5L = 134.2 lb/ft per liter x 5.0 =671.4 lb/ft torque. That’d be a nice engine: 535 horse / 671 torque. I believe that’d do it...
5.0 with hellion twin turbo kit would be 🔥
Ford used one in their TT Cobra Jet concept years ago. It was about a full second faster in the 1/4 than the COPO Camaro and normal Supercharged Cobra Jet. And that was when it made like 800hp on moderately low boost iirc.
Imagine paying for it
2021 2.7 STX is the shit!
Sport mode ftw!
Having 10 gears and selective limit shifting is amazing.
I am really hoping the TFL crew does a full stock comparison of each engine option between each manufacturer. Towing, Mpg, 0-60 that sort of thing.
Ford (3.3l vs 2.7l vs 3.0l vs 5.0l vs 3.5l vs 3.5l HOP)
GM(4.3l vs 2.7l vs 5.3l vs 3.0l vs 6.2l)
Ram (3.6l vs 3.0l vs 5.7l)
Toyota (4.6l vs 5.7l)
GMs 2.7l and 5.3l are kinda slow compared to the 2.7l of Fords.
Very good comparison video!
My 2018 F-150 Standard Cab SWB FX4 2.7L is really quick!
I want to buy a truck just like this. Do you still like it? I plan on leveling with 35”
I like my 5.0 just for the sound alone.
Same here.
The 5.0 coyote is an awesome motor. My buddy's 5.0 with a Ford Power pack 3 kit & an E85 tune put him upwards of 500 rwhp.
Great video, I'd like to see all three of these on the 100 mile loop stock from the factory without a tune please (and then maybe tuned and looped 😊👍)
This is my new favorite video of TFL truck
2.7L converted me from Silverado 5.3 to f150. That thing is tuned from the factory to run like a sports truck. Have 152k on my 2.7 now trouble free its a great motor
I didn't know racing on drag strip was the most important thing about having a truck. I used to think it was pulling a trailer with 16,000 lbs of rocks up an 8% grade in top gear all day every day without breaking a sweat.
I drive a ‘18 with the 2.7. The engine is no joke! It feels quicker than the 3.5, which I’m currently driving right now (a rental while my truck is at the auto body). It’s fun to drive in normal mode, but when you throw it into sport, it’s awesome.
see what happens when you fall asleep in a drag race you loose to the other guy🤣🤣🤣
Try adding a pedal commander to you 2.7l. Guarantee you’ll be smiling ear to ear 😊
That little 2.7 is impressive
I'm glad I went with the 5.0 liter V8 Coyote motor in my 2016 F150 Crew cab instead of the turbo V6 or the 4 cylinder. I bought this truck new and plan to own it a long time, probably 20+ years, I think the 5.0 liter Coyote V8 is a lot more likely to last that long than the 6 or the 4 cylinder version's. I prefer to buy new vehicles and baby the hell out of them. I don't plan on drag racing my truck, pulling a trailer or hauling a load is more in line with what I have a truck for. The truck is 3 years old now and has 17,000 miles on it and has always been regularly maintained and garaged. My wife's 03 Cobra is 16 years old now and has 41,000 miles on it. I don't commute so that saves a lot of miles on my vehicle's as well as time and frustration dealing with traffic. I've always thought the 2+ hour commute back and forth to the burbs 5 days a week is nuts and not worth it.
These have to be made every year! Great job
This is important for all those times I drag race over a 1/4 mile in my truck.
Right. Good to know what your up against too
😂
I posted the same thing for the european tester that doesn't know what a drag race is.
the world is a scary place Brian... stay safe little buddy.
(and BTW, they didn't race over 1/4 mile)
Love technology! Vehicles have gotten so much better over time
Do you think guys will be collecting these trucks in 60/70 years like we're doing with the old ones? Do you think they'll be holding their value like a 7.3L Diesel Ford, or an old 12v Cummins?
I like the tuner testing, but again, the extended cab is going to weigh less than the crewcabs. We don't know what the axle ratios are as well, we need those and truck weights for comparison. Just imagine what an ecoboost 5.0L would do in this test!
A 5 liter Ecoboost would require pilot license... 😂
Ya they have a real bad habit of not comparing apples to apples... weight, axle ratios etc. when doing these tests
@@dfk4500 more like a boat license
@@paulhunter9613 really? 😂
@@dfk4500 😬
I wrote off the Expedition because of the 3.5l. I got one as a rental and drove it for a week. I got home and bought one. You will never miss those two cylinders and better low end torque.
You guys are great! Great inspiration but a couple of misses :o( As mentioned already, what are the axle ratios on each truck? Why didn't you give 1/4 mile times? What would the 2.7 vs the 3.5 drag race looked like? My 18', 2.7 with a 3.55 axle works out real nice! I would like to see the 2.7 up against other brands, not always the 3.5. It was the quickest (0-60) stock to all of trucks here!
The 2.7 was also the lightest truck being a extended cab.
I love the 3.5L Ecoboost ... it’s an absolute beast.
Yep, and a hell of a lot cheaper than adding a turbo or blower to a 5.0!
I have one and it’s a fucken rocket🤟
You blew that start vs the 3.5..should have raced again
I thought the same, but the numbers on the 0 to 60 don't change. My 2.7 was dusted.
I wanna know what rear diff they running in each
Impressive, think I need to open an axle and drive shaft repair shop
Impressive, think I need to open an engine shop and repair Hemis - Assembled in Mexico only.
@@troygier991 Hey we should all chase our dreams, idk how long you will be in business but it is worth a shot
@@youngblood23rb yeah somehow it seems most people these days would just buy a new truck rather than pay someone to fix a driveshaft or axle
Wish the stock dyno results were done on 93 as well. Only reason to do them differently is to inflate the gains on the tune.
Patrick Money the power difference on 93 isn’t significant with the stock tune. Also, most people don’t use 93 with these trucks unless it’s tuned.
@@Treyk901 Yeah i figured it wasnt much, but advertised power is always on 93, so it would make sense to dyno it stock with recommended fuel just to keep it as controled as possible.
@@Treyk901 Actually, it's pretty big gains even stock. You have to run several tanks of quality 93 through it before the computer will give you the advantages. Ford uses a Learned Octane Reading (LOR), at least on the Ecoboost. It really advances timing when your LOR is high. It could be tricked by adding a little E85 to the tank of premium, since E85 is usually well over 100 Octane.
Patrick Money the advertised power ratings on ford trucks are for 87, even the Ecoboost engines. Other ford cars it’s a different story. Ram 5.7 is advertised with 89. GM 6.2 is with 93.
Roger Dean there’s no question it’ll make more power with better fuel but it’s marginal compared to the gains of a tune. 10-15 hp will not make a difference in a race with a heavy truck.
would be curious to see what mpg would be on these towing the same trailer on the same route. Also unloaded mpg test would be nice to see, but I'd really be curious about towing mpg between all of them towing the same thing.
This was a great review. This is the kind of real-world stuff we want to know.
Why didn’t you show the 1/4 times?
j b he was doing the 0-60 test. He wasn’t going for the 1/4 mile. Now maybe he could of shown the 1/8 mile?
I was wondering the same thing. It was a 1/4 mile track and when they raced them against each other, they said they raced them the full 1/4 mile.
He has the gauge. I think it shows 1/4 mile too
He would be in the 12.6-13.1 range.
They dragged the trucks on the quarter mile together but not when they were separated for the 0 to 60 times
Took my wife truck shopping with me last fall. Showed up to buy a 2018 F150 w/ 3.5. Couldn't convince her to spend $3000 more for the 3.5. Ended up buying the exact same color and model with a 2.7. Fast forward to now, I love that little 2.7. Tows my camper with ease and gets better gas mileage then the wife's Explorer.
I don't tell my wife what car she can drive and she doesn't tell me what truck I can drive.
Still dont know why Ford doesn't "Ecoboost" that Coyote? It would crush them all and sound amazing!
it will have bad MPG
@@danielcordoba9293 wrong. A forced induction v8 would be better mpg than a NA variant of the same engine.
There's no room to shove turbos in that 5.0 engine bay
Cafe standards
Just bought a 2020 3.5 and can’t wait to get it tuned by 5 star.
The tune improvement for both the 2.7 and 5.0 were the same ~21.5%. The 3.5 improvement was ~31%.
We need to see the 2019 Limited with a tune so we can see what the difference is between the normal 3.5L and the high output one.
Honestly, I doubt much. Unless you put bigger turbos and whatever else that leads to, the factory tune on the Raptor/Limited is pushing the 3.5.
That Limited would sure as hell win compared to the 5.0l V8 and the 2.7l 4 cyl. It's a fast truck because I recently got one for my 21st birthday back in March. Ruby red metallic that truck is like a raptor powered Yacht on 4 wheels. I really love it I'm sure as hell gonna take care of mine. That truck makes me happy. It changed my life on the road.
Chris Holland that’s funny because 6 weeks ago I sat in my cousins tuned (not 5 star) 2.7L 2018 XLT 4x4 as it outpaced my uncle’s (his dad) 2019 Limited 4x4 on a ramp getting on the freeway. Won by about a truck length up to 65. Zero to 100 sure you’ll win but that will almost never happen on roads. Considering the limited costs twice as much there’s no way waste that cash
@@mattbrew11 because he probably didn't really compete with it. Just because it's a luxury truck. It's even funnier because I've passed up tons and tons of trucks including most 2.7L Ecoboost pickups with mine. If your uncle's didn't win then either He's not using it like real competition to where he doesn't know how to actually use his features or there's just something wrong with it. I don't know I've beaten tons of other trucks with my 2019 F150 Limited. I've even killed a Sierra 2500 Denali Duramax with it in a straight race. So really I don't know what you're talking about that your cousin's 2.7L beat a Limited. And of course if it's a 2.7L. that's only 4 cylinders, mine is a V6. A V6 with V8 passing power and torque.
It would be no difference. The only difference stock is the flash from factory.
the 2.7 had a advantage with the smaller cab lighter weight. all in all good testing. thanks for the info.
I had a 2019 F150 with a 3.5 turbo, 3.73 axle. Used it to tow a 4800 lbs(dry wt) Winnebago Micro Minnie, with gear was about 5500 lbs. Used a reputable weight distribution hitch.
Plenty of power whenever needed, BUT engine temp ran up to the red line whenever pulling up a modest grade, without over accelerating (60 mph). Often the turbos would shut down until temps returned to the normal range.
Dealership and another shop could find nothing wrong, just saying "turbos run hot". To me, it felt like not if there was going to be a major overheating problem, but matter of when.
Moved to a 2021 F250 with a 7.3 gas (non-turbo), with great luck. 25,000 miles so far towing a larger trailer (5800 lbs Winn. 2529RG with a lot of cargo in the truck bed, tons of power AND the temp gage has never even wiggled, even when towing in Montana hills this summer in sustained 100+ degree weather.
Loved my F150, not sure the turbos are the best option when a lot of long distance towing is in the picture.
Big surprise to me was the 2.7. 3.5 is of course the powerhouse but that 2.7 did better than I thought, especially after the tune. I’m with Andre though, I’d take the Coyote.
Alan Bowers I was shocked as well. Especially considering the updated intake on the 3.5L. My bet is the rear axle ratios were different. I’m going with 3.55 on the 3.5 and 3.73 on the 2.7.
media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2019/f-150/2019-F-150.pdf
@@philipchamp594 Yeah, it would have been nice to know what the axle ratios were on these trucks, just to satisfy curiosity.
I’m willing to bet all the trucks had 3.55s maybe the coyote had a 3.73 probably not though. So many ppl in TH-cam comments say they would get the Coyote ,yet it doesn’t sell that great. That shows that when the rubber hits the road and you test drive them both most ppl change there mind and go Ecoboost,I know I did. I wanted a V8 ,but I wanted an engine that performs like my Ecoboost more than I wanted the V8 sound. My 3.5/10 speed is a towing monster.
The 2.7L must have been atleast 200-300 pounds lighter (engine and shorter cab) which helps a lot.
Would have been nice to compare the 2.7l in crew cab tho. That extended cab has to be lighter than the crew. Thoughts?
I love the tuned content!
I’d love to see you guys to a mpg comparison of these 3 engine choices
I can only speak for 2 combinations. My 2.7 with 3.55 rear 2wd averages around 24mpg. My coworkers 5.0 with 3.15 rear also 2wd averages just about the same 24mpg as I do. Both completely stock.
@@landob20is that on relatively flat land or do you live somewhere hilly/a good mix of in town too?
If you get an aftermarket tune will you lose the stock modes functionality? Would be nice to be able to get a tune but switch driving modes with the factory selector.
Amazing job!
Doing the aftermarket tunes on each really gives this a real world comparison. Tuning is becoming much more mainstream often times is the first thing done to the lower cylinder cars/FI cars.
Any info on qurter mile times?
More vids like this please!
I would like to see those same engines 200k miles later see how well they do.
They have those videos out there.
Treat em right and they'll survive. Only three strong do.
at 200k the eco will be in the junkyard, the 5.0 will still be running good.
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5.0 will easily out last the eco boost
@@gmcdenali7178 there's a TH-cam video out there of a 200,000 mile EcoBoost and it did pretty well. 5.0 will easily reach 200,000 km
2.7 is the most problem free on the forums.
My son has a 2016 with the 5.0 at 150k miles no issues, no problems. Just normal maintenance. Very reliable engine. Great ride.
How about testing a 2019 f150 regular cab short box 2.7 ecoboost with 3:73 gears?
Thank you for slaving away on the drag strip to make this video.
I would choose the 5.0 and the F150 for the work week, and the Mustang with the 5.0 for the weekends, than ''I could die a Happy Man''
That is exactly what I have. A 2018 F150 5.0 and a 2015 Mustang GT 5.0. Love my Coyotes.
@phuc ewe Haha! My old screen name was Phuq Ewe. So many people don't know who to pronounce 'ewe', lol.
4.6 is better
@@f150manmaniac Yes Sir! 🤣
@@craigg4246 Lucky you bro. #respect
You gotta love that little 2.7s gas mileage. I am looking at buying one of these and drove the 2.7 and 5.0 and this confirms what I thought. That 5.0 is kinda sluggish and rumbles a lot without going anywhere while the 2.7 is quiet and quick.
I average around 25mpg on a 2wd.
Get a gm v8 stop that bull
@@titoavila7313 You mean get an engine with less power, oiling issues, and worse fuel economy?
That tune on the V8 is so bad. Sacrificed hundreds of horsepower from 500-5000 rpm just to make 60hp up top.
@@titoavila7313 lmfao my 5.0 with 3.73 gears eats every gmc and Chevy I've raced .
That 3.5l was hauling a load with “Josh” at the wheel 🤣
CNN just picked up TFL series for their network - They said they've never seen more accurate statistics or fair testing.
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Great vid, all engines are great, but I'm stickin with the five oh.
Ya I’m with you. The number’s are really impressive but I’m having trouble pulling the trigger on the 3.5. Regardless, very impressive
4.3 sec and 4.8 sec on a full size truck is crazy, I remember my bolt on ls1 z28 doing a 4.7 sec 0-60 and I thought that was quick
4.7 is good being they do stock like 5.2-5.5. Such a beautiful car. Friend of mine had two of them. The last one had 432 rwhp. Nothing crazy but enough to put your back in the seat a little. My best friend had a FBO ‘04 Mach 1 and it would put your back in the seat.
Am I missing something or is that dyno graph of the v8 better stock? Torque curve
9:41 wow!! Nice launch 🚀
4wd is so nice for traction !!! if my 68 Charger and my hellcat would be 4wd I could get 3 seconds off 0-60 and 1/4 mile without any tune/mods !!
Turbo engines were always quick,back in the late 80's I had a 1985 2.2 Turbo 1 (not the Turbo II with more power from the factory) so my 146 factory rated 2.2 Turbo Dodge Daytona Turbo with a Mopar computer and I messed with the turbo/more boost etc and I ran high 12's with that car in the 1/4 mile...Even with stock turbo and just a Mopar ecu I ate every 5.0 5 speed Mustang around(automatic 5.0 Mustangs used a different cam and heads and lost 20 hp as the engine was different than the 5 speed engine,even Ford guys dont know this !)....These cars stock had turbo lag under 15 mph you had no turbo,then it kicked in and went ! You had to brake torque it to get low 15's froma bone stock 2.2 turbo ,otherwise you ran high 15's..these were tested running 15.9's to low 16's just off idle..brake torque low 15's,ecu ran low 14's raise the turbo boost you got 12's..We even ran a low compression 1978 400 big block we put a stock turbo on it and we never track tested it but it would lay down serious rubber,and it was a low compression,non performance 2 barrel engine from a wrecked,rolled over,78 Gran Fury..The engine went into a 74 Satellite (Road Runner clone) ..The car felt like a low 14 second ride with the 2 barrel and under 8.0 compression lol..We built a 451 stroker and ran low 11's non turbo but we had fun back in the early 90's !
It would have been nice to know the gear ratio of each truck. 3.31 is really common and I would say 3.55 is the runner up in how common it was used especially in the 2.7 trucks. Few 3.73 out there too.
You're absolutely right...!! 👍👍👍 My 2023 has the 3:55 gears
I heard powerstroke division designed the 2.7 ecoboost. I have that same truck in a 2015 and am very impressed with it at 235k miles and running strong 👍 maybe a air intake might of made it closer to the 3.5 ?
Hell yeah man nice!! I have same truck 1st gen:)
I’m sold haha I need to get one of these tunes!
Would love to see a tuned shootout. GM 6.2 vs. Ecoboost vs. Hemi
I love my 2017 2.7 Ecoboost XLT Super Crewcab.... its quick...no problems passing on the HWY...almost 80K and zero issues other than a bad brake caliper that Dealer found and replaced under warranty the 2nd year I had it :)
Turbos are the way! Great video keep um coming! Loving the race at sea level!
I would still choose the 5.0 every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
I agree, the 5.0 should be more reliable if you keep the truck for the long haul.
The Gen 3 5.0 has had more problems than either v6 ,mainly ticking noises ,cylinder scoring and oil consumption. The older 5.0 and the 3.5 ecoboost have both proven to be reliable.Ive seen a few 250-300,000 mile 3.5 ecoboost engines There are several 2.7s with 250,000 miles on them as well. Doing routine maintenance seems to be more important than which engine you choose.
Put a superchrger on a V8 and there's no question, the V8 will come in first.
John DiMartino just don’t run the piss out of them like a high school senior and I think any engine will last
@@ewiem4351 Sure, at the cost of upwards of $10,000 on a motor not designed to handle it.
Snapping the Driveshaft 14:45
Lmao I missed that. Nice!
@@pryme2013 me too! I was to busy reading all these stupid comments
Built Ford tough.
I have the 2018 3.5 my cousin borrowed it and couldn't believe it was a 6 love this engine
Fayeteville Racetrack? I used to race there back in 2003-2004 damn
What were the rear end ratios on all the trucks?
Was asking the same
they were all 4wd with basically same torque output. So, probably the same, no?
With all those gears to choose from rear end ratios probably wouldn't have that great of an effect.
Weren’t they all FX4 packaged trucks? If so, they probably had the L9 rear end (3.55 with e-locker).
Why wasn’t the 3.5 faster on stock if axle ratios are the same? I don’t understand the mute button on rear axle ratios. My guess is the 3.5L had the 3.55 ratio. And the 2.7L had the 3.73 ratio. And yes it makes a difference even with a 10 speed.
Gotta love that coyote v8 sound🤗🤗🤗
I own a 2017 2.7 f-150 . The love is real the ride is amazing . She’s super quick
Should have done the f150 powerstroke with this test
Getting a 3.5l eco boost in the next few weeks. I’m surprised how fast and torquey these trucks are.
You wont be disappointed
Excellent video. Great to see a pretty scientific comparison except for the extended cab only on the 2.7L. Also, I'm pretty sure the Banks cold air intake adds quite a few horsepower (maybe 15?). Lastly, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't try to drag race while towing a camper trailer while on a non-slip sticky surface - universal joints don't like that kind of pressure. I'm guessing they will try to return it to stock tune and return it to the dealer for warranty repairs? "I'm not really sure how the driveline snapped in two!?" Yeah, sure.
He said the 3.5 was hella quick! I didn’t think they said hella in Illinois! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Milton Woodberry that bay area slang all over now 😂
I am very thankful for making this video, now I know which direction I will go 😂😂😂 thanks again
I have the 2.7 and the thing is a tank for how small it is. Yeah yeah yeah it may not last as long but with regular maintenance there is no reason why this engine would fail. I had a 2016 f150 with the 5.0 with the 2018 I have now with the 2.7 is very close in power and acceleration. I've also gotten 25.6 mpg on the freeway while on vacation with 3 other people in the truck as well as a bed full of luggage. Very impressed with the little 2.7. I like it way more than I thought I would. If you haven't driven one, drive one and you will see what I mean. Great comparison video!
There are plenty of non-maintenance issues with the 2.7. The heads have a history of issues.
hochhaul Maybe the first gen yes. I have the second gen and it's been nothing but fantastic. But I also take care of my stuff. Beating the hell out of any engine/vehicle in general will decrease the lifespan. Take care of your stuff and it will take care of you.
No there are a lot of issues that Ford did nothing about. Just like some guys swore up and down that Ford supposedly "fixed all the cam phaser and timing chain problems with the Ecoboost in 2013". Ford didn't. Then those same guys said Ford fixed it for 2014. They didn't. Then those same guys said Ford fixed all the problems with the new 2015's. They didn't. Even now, the 2nd gen Ecoboosts are having cam phaser and timing chain problems. Most occurrences of these issues have nothing to do with maintenance.
hochhaul I'm not denying Ford ecoboost engines have problems. But anyone making hundreds of thousands of engines are going to have problems. The 5.0 has problems, the gm 6.2 has problems, the 5.7 hemi has problems and so do many more engines that are deemed to be extremely reliable.
hochhaul early 2016 models had head issues. It was a manufacturing issue that was corrected. I owned a 2016 with the 2.7 and no issues. Now have a 2017 with the 2.7 and flawless. 90000 miles between the 2 of them.
3.5EB all day anyday.... Josh and his tunes KICK ASS!! I've been running his adaptive octane tune for almost a year in my 2018 Lariat SCREW 3.5EB.... my best tank was 22MPG and i hit 0-60 in 5s using 91. Winter drivability has been excellent and the transmission shifts butter smooth after a few thousand miles after it learns your driving style.... great tunes and customer support from Josh @5star...
What a great comparison man ,,,, Great Job,,, I have a question,,, Does Tune Void the factory's warranty?
I'll keep my 5.0. It is smoother, and the power comes on strong in normal situations. V8 rules.
I have 275k on my 2012 5.0 . No issues so far, knock on wood lol
@James Crain Well you may be right. You would have the advantage of weight for sure. The output to weight of those engines is fantastic!!!!
James Crain it is lmfao
@James Crain it's called challenger because corners are a challenge for it.
@James Crain No just an adult who hasn't lost their sense of humor...
I've had the V8, the 3.5L and now the 2.7. I believe the current 2.7 is Ford's best engine, especially for me as I never tow anything.
I've got the 2.7 2018 crew 4x4, I'm getting 9.5l per 100km on the highway... Awesome considering the vehicle. Great touring truck if not towing.
Wait til they start leaking oil 🤣🤣🤣
@@trevorderouchie9873 V8 has had more issues 😂😂😂
ausmtbiker besides blown engines brand new, they’re quite tough. 2.7’s leak oil pans like they’re going out of style
@@trevorderouchie9873 sounds like I'm lucky then and other people I've spoken too. The only bug bear that I've got is the driveline backlash that I get when backing off the gas sometimes depending on the load.