997 comes out, 996 is the last real 911! 991 comes out, 997 is the last real 911! 992 comes out, 991 is the last real 911! Repeat until the end of time
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that was never said when the 997 debuted, and the 997 was in fact the last one, the rest are tiny panameras with a 911 badge.
Don’t own without warranty, I bought a 991.2 from Porsche. Since owning had new air con, new rear coil springs ,water pump, air oil separator, new turbo’s ( famous smoking exhaust) plus oil supply lines to turbos. All fixed under Porsche warranty. The turbos and water pump are known failures and I have seen quite a few posts about them. Porsche have been fantastic and sorted the car . I don’t want to think what all that cost- 2 weeks labour ie 80 hours is over 10 grand alone plus parts😮
Great video. It solidified what I’ve always known about this particular model. Your video offered me the drivers experience. I’m currently in the market to purchase one.
I find all 911s before the 991 (i.e. up to the 997 incl.) too smallish, and all 911 after the 991 (i.e. as of the 992) too pretentious and alienated from what a 911 is supposed to be. To me, the 992s are no real Porsches anymore, they just have become too much of everything. So, for me, the best 911 is the 991. The 991 is incredibly beautiful - not overdone and timeless.
adrian baker I had a 997.2 and now have a 991.1, and you’re spot on. Will switch back to the 997.2 in due course. But my 4S is blindingly fast especially at the top end.
Sorry, a car with driver aides is not a real drivers car. The last real 911 was the 996 gt2 and a car that needed a good driver to perform. A car that has traction control isn't a real 911.
Samuel Leatt Cool yes indeed. 😎 FYI I switch mine off .... makes for a fun ride. My 964 is my favourite Porsche. Park it mostly during winter though.....no bad P car really.
@@livnthedream4457 I changed my 964 C2 for a 996 GT2. The engine is different but the handling and raw acceleration of the 996 gt2 far eclipses anything I have driven before. I believe there are only 6 996 gt2s registered in the UK at the moment.
Great review Jack. BUT…. I think Porsche felt to a trap made by progress. Back when “normal” cars were slow, cumbersome vehicles, sports cars like the 911 (or 944) with around 200-250 HP made sense and with that level of power still had performances capable of exploitation within the human and normal road conditions. Now that you can purchase (say) a hot hatch with that power level and great handling Porsche, to be different, has to offer cars like this with outrageous performance, and huge complexity, completely losing touch with the realm of human capabilities and daily road conditions. I must confess that this type of vehicle lost the appeal to me. I long for a small, simple, compact, reliable(!) Porsche with 200-250 HP. Cheers
Test Drive Scotland - 991’s just feel so big. I had my 991 GTS for a matter of months, great car but just didn’t feel like a sports car in comparison to my previous 997’s more like a tourer - 997 last of the small 911’s......
@@simonboulton7554 yes agree with that I drove one on my channel but being used to a 981 I was aware of the size of the 997. Enjoyed it though was surprised the .2 was quieter than the .1.
If you are going to like a modern car, a 991 anyway, then you're just 8 years late to the party. Might as well get the latest and greatest and have an aircooled 911 as well.
I ordered mine from the factory. It is a 2014S. The crap about the electric power steering and the seven speed is just that. Journalistic make-believe. It is the best car that I have ever driven. I love mine.
Very nice vid. My only comment is if I was tracking one I would NOT want the PCCBs! However on the street they are awesome and just last forever! How do I know? Both of my cars, a Macan TT (wife’s) and my 997 have them! 👍
Great video, but the PCCBs are actually incredible on the street. Half the weight of traditional brakes, and the rotors will outlast the car- unless you're at the track regularly, and fast. Then you will chew through them every 10-12 track days, at a cost of about $25,000/set.
Anyone is free to believe or not believe whatever they like, but stating it like that is really poor form, and says more about the person saying it than the OP. FWIW I am on a few Facebook owner's groups with my 996, and the posts cover the full range from the very reserved to people who sound like caricatures. I think just about the only thing you can say for sure about Porsche owners is that you can't say anything for sure :)
@@thejupiter2LoL - Just because I drive a 991 doesn't mean I have to hide my enthusiasm or speak like a boring old fart. Mine is not a dull silver, black or grey 'Surrey Set' Porsche - its a Guards Red 991.1, bedecked with Aerokit Cup spoilers, 20" wheels - and I bloody love it. Every journey is an adventure. And nothing sounds like a NA Porsche flat 6 at full chat :) - it sounds 'beast' - I know this because my 18 year old son told me.
How can it be the last real 911. The last real 911 was the 996, as it had no driver aides or onboard computer and the GT2 still used the mezger engine from the les mans gt1 from 98. The last real 911 was the widow maker, 996 GT2.
997 was the last 911. Perfect size, great noise, analogue steering. The biggest reason though is when you lift the rear lid you can still see an actual engine and not just a plastic shroud.
Jack, is there a big difference between a Carrera 2 vs 4 (both 996 model) in the real world ie driving feel, balance etc. Seen one of each I might like to buy... Cheers, Dav
@@Number27 I actually was enquiring for myself! I might drop some money on a 996. I've seen both a 2 and 4 at the right money but wondered if there was a huge difference (the 4 is a little cheaper). Cheers bud ;-)
For the record the infamous IMS engine problems were rife in the 996 and 997.1 (and corresponding Boxsters and Caymans of the era) but was totally eradicated with the 997.2 which was effectively reengined. And with minor upgrades the same 997.2 engine’s to be found in the 991.1.
Sam Casamassa We’re cool, mate. A mate of mine here in Switzerland had his IMS let go on his 2000 Boxster wot he bought from new. He wagged his finger at me, a year or two later, so I passed on the 997.1 I had my eye on at the time. I’m now 6 years into Carreras and well aware that there’s a good IMS engine prevention engine fix available, and anyway a lot of pain can be avoided with a bit of due diligence up front. Soooo, I concede there’s a lot of emotion about on the topic, lots of hearsay, lots of naysayers and lots of ayesayers. My point wasn’t aimed to open up that old sore ‘cos most IMS-prone engines let go years ago, or had the IMS mod well before. And here in Zürich we’re up to our necks in 996s, 997.1s and any number of old shape Boxsters and Caymans. And I don’t see them at every street corner with steam coming out of their engine bays. So hopefully we can loudly agree that all 997s sound crap, all 996s are underrated because of that pair of headlights, 991.1s sound fabulous but have lost some of the charm, and 991.2 are satan’s breath and sound crap because of them turbos. If we agree on all lf that, then we should take the rest of the week off and binge watch TH-cam. Ric
True comment, the IMS bearing only existed in the problematic form from 996.1 through 996.2 to the 997.1. Note that both 996.1 and 997.1 have quite a low rate of failure, it was really only the 996.2 (facelift) which reached higher levels of failure, and even then, by now many of them have simply been replaced. I have read failure rates of 1%, 5%, 1%, but facts are hard to come by here. The basic recommendation is to replace it when you do the clutch, since the engine is open at the right place then. The 997.1 requires an engine split though. It isn't all that expensive to have done, and you can even go for a permanent fix, at a somewhat higher price. If you accept this, you will likely never have problems with it. The trouble is with the people who ignore it, out of ignorance or stubbornness. It really is a part which needs periodic replacement. I would not use that to recommend avoiding these cars though. Simply factor it into the cost equation and make your decision that way. The 996 is a fantastic car, smaller and lighter than the 997, and more analog as well. Fully worth owning, even if you have to replace the IMSB once in a while to be safe.
I have the 991.1 2014 and bought it with only 9k miles absolutely love it 😍
Cool, just buying my 2014 S this week.
I’m looking at a 2014 Turbo S with only 7500 miles, list price $155900. What do you think about this deal? Please let me know. Thank you very much.
@@binliu1335 did you get it???
2012 991.1 Carrera S cabriolet in the building!! 😃😃
@@TheFreelanceCowboy yes, but not the 2014, I bought 2018 Turbo S with 18900 miles and paid 170k, I love it and did put almost 10k miles on it.
997 comes out, 996 is the last real 911!
991 comes out, 997 is the last real 911!
992 comes out, 991 is the last real 911!
Repeat until the end of time
that was never said when the 997 debuted, and the 997 was in fact the last one, the rest are tiny panameras with a 911 badge.
You're spot on :) Seems like people HATE the new model ... till they get one themselves :)
No sorry the 996 was pants
And in the end, the 993 was.
Correct. How quickly people forget and pine for the good ol’ days...
Just bought one.😎
Don’t own without warranty, I bought a 991.2 from Porsche. Since owning had new air con, new rear coil springs ,water pump, air oil separator, new turbo’s ( famous smoking exhaust) plus oil supply lines to turbos. All fixed under Porsche warranty. The turbos and water pump are known failures and I have seen quite a few posts about them. Porsche have been fantastic and sorted the car . I don’t want to think what all that cost- 2 weeks labour ie 80 hours is over 10 grand alone plus parts😮
Great video. It solidified what I’ve always known about this particular model. Your video offered me the drivers experience. I’m currently in the market to purchase one.
I find all 911s before the 991 (i.e. up to the 997 incl.) too smallish, and all 911 after the 991 (i.e. as of the 992) too pretentious and alienated from what a 911 is supposed to be. To me, the 992s are no real Porsches anymore, they just have become too much of everything.
So, for me, the best 911 is the 991. The 991 is incredibly beautiful - not overdone and timeless.
Great video - I have a late 991.1 "S" and I love it!
997.2 the best of the last 😎
adrian baker I had a 997.2 and now have a 991.1, and you’re spot on. Will switch back to the 997.2 in due course. But my 4S is blindingly fast especially at the top end.
Totally agree
Sorry, a car with driver aides is not a real drivers car. The last real 911 was the 996 gt2 and a car that needed a good driver to perform. A car that has traction control isn't a real 911.
Samuel Leatt Cool yes indeed. 😎 FYI I switch mine off .... makes for a fun ride. My 964 is my favourite Porsche. Park it mostly during winter though.....no bad P car really.
@@livnthedream4457 I changed my 964 C2 for a 996 GT2. The engine is different but the handling and raw acceleration of the 996 gt2 far eclipses anything I have driven before. I believe there are only 6 996 gt2s registered in the UK at the moment.
bought one three months ago...just phenomenal!
They are a great drive.. better than the Turbo for me!!
Got one a few months ago! Great car! Fast and efficient! And beautiful of course!
ALUMINUM…..ALUMINUM….ALUMINUM……THERE IS NO LETTER (i) between the N and the M ONLY a U……WTF~!!???
NO! in the UK it's spelt aluminium and pronounced as such - only north america is it aluminum
I think the dog pissed on the rear wheel. :/
Yes.. was wondering what that bastard was up to!!
Great review Jack. BUT…. I think Porsche felt to a trap made by progress. Back when “normal” cars were slow, cumbersome vehicles, sports cars like the 911 (or 944) with around 200-250 HP made sense and with that level of power still had performances capable of exploitation within the human and normal road conditions. Now that you can purchase (say) a hot hatch with that power level and great handling Porsche, to be different, has to offer cars like this with outrageous performance, and huge complexity, completely losing touch with the realm of human capabilities and daily road conditions. I must confess that this type of vehicle lost the appeal to me. I long for a small, simple, compact, reliable(!) Porsche with 200-250 HP.
Cheers
I totally agree, small and light! Problem is modern crash legislation makes this very hard to achieve!
@@Number27 Alpine A110!!!!!
Base model with three point at Little engine 3 point leaders 3 point eto with manual gearbox is the best Love the soundiu
997.2 is the last real 911 before it was bought by Audi. My humble opinion.
997 is probably the last but I prefer the 991 overall.
Test Drive Scotland - 991’s just feel so big. I had my 991 GTS for a matter of months, great car but just didn’t feel like a sports car in comparison to my previous 997’s more like a tourer - 997 last of the small 911’s......
@@simonboulton7554 yes agree with that I drove one on my channel but being used to a 981 I was aware of the size of the 997. Enjoyed it though was surprised the .2 was quieter than the .1.
964 is the real last 911...
I prefer the more retro 911's but I do really love the new cars I'm just a 911 fan overall! Cracking little video Jack 👍
Thanks buddy.. 👍
Time to change my RS6 and have to scratch that Porsche itch!
If you are going to like a modern car, a 991 anyway, then you're just 8 years late to the party. Might as well get the latest and greatest and have an aircooled 911 as well.
Second owner of a 2013 991.1 C2S w/MT. Absolutely love it!
True, which is why I bought a 991.1 GTS when the 991.2 were already out. But the last real 911 was a 993 which I also own.
Enjoy your 993! Had a 964 for years and loved it!!
Great video, really helpful. Love the background! Thanks
He looks so stressed and too frightened to drive at high speed
😃😄😁 greetings from stressed and scared!
Too big.
No, it’s not! 997 is!
Sell your 964 and show us how good it really is.?
997.1 is the last real 911
t1m *.2 😎👍🏼
I ordered my 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera S loaded with everything except a sunroof. My car currently has only 15,500 miles on it.
I ordered mine from the factory. It is a 2014S. The crap about the electric power steering and the seven speed is just that. Journalistic make-believe. It is the best car that I have ever driven. I love mine.
Very nice vid. My only comment is if I was tracking one I would NOT want the PCCBs! However on the street they are awesome and just last forever! How do I know? Both of my cars, a Macan TT (wife’s) and my 997 have them! 👍
Great video, but the PCCBs are actually incredible on the street. Half the weight of traditional brakes, and the rotors will outlast the car- unless you're at the track regularly, and fast. Then you will chew through them every 10-12 track days, at a cost of about $25,000/set.
Bought one last year . It was this video finally push my decision to do it. It is wonderful car love it everytime I drive
The one to really go for is... The 991.1 GTS
Outstanding car!
Nice short, concise video :)
Thank you!
Time saver, excellent content 😎
Every new 911 is the "last" real 911. And they just keep getting better. Sorry cynics
Ha!! Interesting to see you bucking the trend on that one. Valid points..
The new one is fatter, heavier and has more power. I dunno.
Going for it. Manual S for long term ownership and potential.
Felt like he kept saying The careers S came with all these options included... not the case
The 997 was not all new. It was an update of the 996.
Looking to buy a 991.1 with 51k on a 2012 plate. Any issue to look out for.
Happy with the car Chris ? I bought te same now . Also 2012. 59k km.
Thanks - you really screwed up the sound though.
Yep, really tough filming outside of there is any breeze!
How is the electric power steering on 991.1 Jack?
It’s lighter than I would like but there was still enough feel coming though so you know what’s going on Mark!
I bought one in November - its ace!
You're a fucking liar.
Catherine Handley - why would you say that?
@@Porsche996-t1y Indeed - a weird reply...
Anyone is free to believe or not believe whatever they like, but stating it like that is really poor form, and says more about the person saying it than the OP. FWIW I am on a few Facebook owner's groups with my 996, and the posts cover the full range from the very reserved to people who sound like caricatures. I think just about the only thing you can say for sure about Porsche owners is that you can't say anything for sure :)
@@thejupiter2LoL - Just because I drive a 991 doesn't mean I have to hide my enthusiasm or speak like a boring old fart. Mine is not a dull silver, black or grey 'Surrey Set' Porsche - its a Guards Red 991.1, bedecked with Aerokit Cup spoilers, 20" wheels - and I bloody love it. Every journey is an adventure. And nothing sounds like a NA Porsche flat 6 at full chat :) - it sounds 'beast' - I know this because my 18 year old son told me.
Fab stuff as always
Lovely car 😍
How can it be the last real 911. The last real 911 was the 996, as it had no driver aides or onboard computer and the GT2 still used the mezger engine from the les mans gt1 from 98. The last real 911 was the widow maker, 996 GT2.
The debate will rage for as long as there are cars!! Thanks for watching!!
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997 was the last 911. Perfect size, great noise, analogue steering. The biggest reason though is when you lift the rear lid you can still see an actual engine and not just a plastic shroud.
A look into this engine bay is more than disappointing.
Jack, is there a big difference between a Carrera 2 vs 4 (both 996 model) in the real world ie driving feel, balance etc. Seen one of each I might like to buy... Cheers, Dav
Good point Dav and one i compels forgot to mention!
@@Number27 I actually was enquiring for myself! I might drop some money on a 996. I've seen both a 2 and 4 at the right money but wondered if there was a huge difference (the 4 is a little cheaper). Cheers bud ;-)
Have to say not tried a 991 C4 but unless driven hard I doubt the difference will be glaring.. see if you can drive a 4..
For the record the infamous IMS engine problems were rife in the 996 and 997.1 (and corresponding Boxsters and Caymans of the era) but was totally eradicated with the 997.2 which was effectively reengined. And with minor upgrades the same 997.2 engine’s to be found in the 991.1.
Sam Casamassa okaaaaay.... my fault for underestimating the vitriol of the TH-cam comments section. Carry on...
Sam Casamassa We’re cool, mate.
A mate of mine here in Switzerland had his IMS let go on his 2000 Boxster wot he bought from new. He wagged his finger at me, a year or two later, so I passed on the 997.1 I had my eye on at the time. I’m now 6 years into Carreras and well aware that there’s a good IMS engine prevention engine fix available, and anyway a lot of pain can be avoided with a bit of due diligence up front. Soooo, I concede there’s a lot of emotion about on the topic, lots of hearsay, lots of naysayers and lots of ayesayers.
My point wasn’t aimed to open up that old sore ‘cos most IMS-prone engines let go years ago, or had the IMS mod well before. And here in Zürich we’re up to our necks in 996s, 997.1s and any number of old shape Boxsters and Caymans. And I don’t see them at every street corner with steam coming out of their engine bays.
So hopefully we can loudly agree that all 997s sound crap, all 996s are underrated because of that pair of headlights, 991.1s sound fabulous but have lost some of the charm, and 991.2 are satan’s breath and sound crap because of them turbos. If we agree on all lf that, then we should take the rest of the week off and binge watch TH-cam.
Ric
True comment, the IMS bearing only existed in the problematic form from 996.1 through 996.2 to the 997.1. Note that both 996.1 and 997.1 have quite a low rate of failure, it was really only the 996.2 (facelift) which reached higher levels of failure, and even then, by now many of them have simply been replaced. I have read failure rates of 1%, 5%, 1%, but facts are hard to come by here. The basic recommendation is to replace it when you do the clutch, since the engine is open at the right place then. The 997.1 requires an engine split though. It isn't all that expensive to have done, and you can even go for a permanent fix, at a somewhat higher price. If you accept this, you will likely never have problems with it. The trouble is with the people who ignore it, out of ignorance or stubbornness. It really is a part which needs periodic replacement.
I would not use that to recommend avoiding these cars though. Simply factor it into the cost equation and make your decision that way. The 996 is a fantastic car, smaller and lighter than the 997, and more analog as well. Fully worth owning, even if you have to replace the IMSB once in a while to be safe.
996 gt2 mk1 + 2 and turbo didn't suffer from that.
Samuel Leatt different engine, the Mezger racing engine in the GT3 and Turbos.