Simply put, imho.... The 997.2 is the peak the water-cooled 911 driver experience. (smaller, lighter, hydraulic steering, more tossable and more rewarding on a twisty road than 991-992, pedestrian interior and tech, in retrospect) The 991.1 is the peak water-cooled, naturally-aspirated owner experience. (better interior and tech than 997, better exhaust sound, revvier, more visceral than .2) The 991.2 is the peak water-cooled, turbo-charged owner experience. (torquier and more refined in every way, but not as viscerally satisfying as .1) The 992 is a technical marvel, but too fat-assed and generically-styled with too much of a generic a driving experience (for a Porsche).
I did something very similar. I own a 991 Touring and was able to spec a new 992 Touring.. I absolutely love the 991 so I didn’t sell it when I got the 992. After around 5 months of owning the 992 I decided I would sell it and keep the 991. It had nothing to do with value. I liked everything about my 991 over the 992. I’m glad I was able to keep the 991 while I had the chance to experience the 992.
The 992 is more stable with high speed. I drive a lot on the autobahn in Germany. That’s where you really feel the different between the 991 and the 992.
I completely understand, I have a .2 C2S manual and love it. I turned down a 992 allocation as the interior is just too much for me. I spend 14 hours a day staring at computer displays and don’t want it in my car. I just need simple CarPlay in the 2.
Will, kudos to you again for your honest and eloquent description of this dilemma. Love your comment that the idea of ordering a brand new 911 vs owning one. Wise words indeed. Thanks!
Really nice comparison: 1. Wonder if you'd like 992 in sport design pack- much more aggressive look and sporty. Not the biggest fan of 991.2 front with the inward slant. My 992 sport design pack has outward slant which I think looks more aggressive. The sport design pack also makes rear look much better. 2. I do like the center exhausts of the 991.2. 3. Do the 991.2 lights bother you? Not a fan of the 2 circles, just looks old to me. 4. Less angular front bonnet in 991.2 5. I love the steering wheel design of the 992 and the 991.2 steering wheel looks much more outdated. Buttons in 991.2 are nice, as with the more traditional stick.
Yeah I have a 992 T and when speccing I hated the open mouth frog bumper at the front so I forced myself to shill out the extra 7k for sports design package in high gloss black, and so glad I did. Totally transforms the look of the car.
After watching your 992 T video, I was so excited for my own to be built. But I was told the shark blue was discontinued. Comparing the 991.2 T and 992 T, I decided to give up my 992 T spot and bought a 991.2 T. It’s yellow, with manual, great specs, 40 grand cheaper than a 992 T. Very happy with the purchase and don’t regret about giving away the 992 T.
I picked up a 991.2 T back in Dec 2019 for $88k. Guards Red, manual, sport exhaust, bucket seats, etc. LOVE IT!!! I recently was at my local dealership for service and saw a used 992 T in guards red, manual but worse spec going for $138.5k... INSANE.... I hope you are enjoying yours as much as I am mine, it's a fantastic car!
My first 911 was a 991.2. I could not get over the sound. Power and tech was nice. Now I own a 997.2 and 991.1. Natural aspiration is the way for me. Have not dipped my toes into the air cooled world yet and not sure I have the patience unfortunately. But they definitely look the best! My next 911 will likely be a 991.2 gt3. Love your content. Thanks.
To each his own... I wouldn't go back to my 991.2 gts.(as incredible as it was) I love love love my 992 4s. Nothing cooler than a black Porsche. Happy for you on regaining the one that got away.....Happy motoring
After owning 5 911’’s…I’m done. Why? I just discovered the driving purity of a 718 Boxster 4.0 GTS, N/A engine, sound, exploitable power/torque, handling, balance, ride, power, threading down B roads, real buttons/few screens, feeling so natural and right. It is a gem of a car and in my view the best sports car Porsche makes. Porsche just announced they have stopped making them for Europe with new EV coming.
@@milkyy4168 I tried sending you a link but YT appears to have blocked it. There are a number of articles in the press on the matter, for example this excerpt recently from Forbes “As a result, sale of the 718 models with an internal combustion engine is discontinued in the EU and some states that apply EU legislation from now on, thereby ensuring that the vehicles can be delivered to customers and registered by the deadline.”
@@neilgaydon5430 Thanks, YT generally blocks any and all links in comments because of phishing. If that’s genuinely the case, then I guess the simultaneous 718 and 718 ev lineup by the porsche rep was wrong?
Not necessarily. The EU regulation applies to ANY car from July with the offending management system that infringes cyber security - the 718 is one and there will be others cars, perhaps even some EV’s. Porsche said it’s not worth the effort to fix it so late in the day for that model. Therefore discontinuation of the 718 in europe and any states that adopt EU regulation is certain. The UK and USA are apparently OK, for the time being. So there could well be a crossover period, but who knows if this hastens the 718’s demise. It’s certainly worth reading the articles given the complexity. I hope this helps.
From a design perspective the 992 is a bit of a mess - looks like a team design. Whereas the 991 has clarity and a simplicity of line and form. The interior of the 992, is just awful - it could be from any Benz or BMW, with the heavy "tech" emphasis it will age terribly. Having said that it is well made and has a quality feel but.........not a lot of character. The 992 is the first time I have not bought a new Porsche sports in over 20+ plus years, I even knocked back a rare 992 GT3 RS allocation in preference for a 296 GTB. Porsche may be selling more product but they are not selling better sports cars. The more recent exceptions being the 718 GT4 RS - but that is trading on the 981 look, style and rigid chassis mated with the engine and gearing of the 991.2 GT3 RS.
Will, you’re classic, in a good way. Finally found someone I can relate to with these videos. Went from a 992 to a 991.2 Carrera T, after various air cooled cars to three different 997s. Friends that dont get it, say I have a problem. 😂. I feel better seeing this videos, they’re great…..keep them coming!
@@brucefromaz7708I'm surprised you don't recognize all the buying & selling is to create content, business transactions. He can deduct the cost of buying that blue car from his taxes, then if he sells it at a loss, it's a further tax deduction, I'd imagine Will pays zero taxes. If he wasn't running a TH-cam channel, then maybe he'd be changing cars unusually often, but he's somewhat of a car dealership, in fact, I'd imagine he has his dealers license, so he can sell more than seven cars per year.
I have a 992 Carrera S (PDK)and a 991.2 Carrera T (man), I’ve had both from new. I totally understand where you’re coming from. I believe the 991 Carrera T is a very special car. I love my 992 but for different reasons.
When playing around with the configurator on Porsche’s website and I always end up adding the Sports Facia package because the rear of it looks so much better with it than the stock rear end. Cool to see you went back to the 991 that’s what I always gravitate towards when I day dream.
I like both .I drive a 992 T in jet black metallic. Very pure spec., only essentials but no ras. On a black body the dark plastic parts are luckily not an eye catcher anymore. I personally go through different emotional stages.with every car. 1. Excitement and proudness 2. Disillusionment and doubts, 3. reconciliation 4. Deep bonding and emotional attachment. I think I just hit stage 3…..Your black 991.2 is a beautiful elegant and timeless car.
One thing I appreciate in the 991 and earlier generations is that all the body panels have a curve and rounded corners, including the hood. In the 992 they straightened out some of these lines, which I think was a unique feature of 911s. One you notice those beautiful curves and rounded edges, you can’t unsee it.
the 992 Neeeds the GTS frontbumper ! that alone makes, or totaly breaks it (for me ^^) and U can wrap the 991.2 it protects the paint, any anything (but grey!) is beter ^^
Amazing video. Just bought my first carrera, 991.2 thanks to your video and many others that shared the same opinions. I do see it in the same way as well. Can’t wait to recieve it! And the comments section was very helpful thank you guys ❤
I think the 991.2 is one of the best looking 911s ever made. (My opinion) I do agree the front end of the 992 is a bit cleaner. Will, you seem like you might enjoy a new 718 GTS 4.0 better than a 911 since they are small, less tech, and more focused on the driving experience. Have you ever considered ordering one of those while there are still allocations available? I have one in production right now and own a 1971 911 E. I love the new 911s but I’ve always loved the size of the caymans/boxsters as they feel like the “old formula”, more similar to my old 911.
It is so nice to have you as an 'older brother' exploring things and discussing them, for everyone (i.e. me 😊) to learn from! I sooo understand this move!
I had a suspicion this might happen. I kept my 992 less than a year. I also kept my 718 spyder and 981 gt4 for a year or less. Like you, I tend to change my mind often. But I’ve come to a point where the modern porches just don’t do it for me any more, and I would only grab the keys to my 77 911 hot rod or my 964 rs. Right now I don’t see myself jumping back into a modern car. Of course, with my track record, I might change my mind in a year.
So glad to hear from a kindred spirit. I have a really good friend who is just like us and is a great “car counselor.” Life is short, buy and experience what you want, enjoy the ride until you don’t, and keep on moving.
If you like the look of the 991.2, you can spec the Sport Design front on the 992 and it will look very close to the old. If you don't like the look of the plastic rear lower bumper, you can spec to have it painted. It's called "Exterior Package Painted" at just around 1k. The options are endless with the 992.
I built mine higher spec and ended up around $150. I didn’t want to go north of that and focused most of the money on the interior as that’s where you spend most of your time. I don’t hate the exterior of the 992…I just find the 991.2 more in line with what I like.
That’s the good thing of Porsche, there is a car for every enthousiast. Personally at the moment I am really thrived about my yellow 718 Spider after owning a manual 997.2 Turbo Cabriolet over 10 years. But I know for sure that the new owner of the 997.2 will enjoy it every klilometer!
I really like the rear of 991 as well. Car is less tech dependant than 992. However, I would keep the shark blue because of color. Black is harder to keep clean and does not pop like shark blue. Shark blue is discontinued now. I have a 2024 911 Carrera GTS in Shark Blue with black leather. Red caliper steels, black RS Spyder 5-lugs. 7 speed manual. Love the car. It is big, but shrinks with cameras, RAS, and boosted electric steering. To each his own, as long as you are happy. My favorite car of yours is the red 981 Spyder..always a treat to see that car😊
It’s funny, I love the 992 rear. The pipes coming out of the sides up inside the bumper looks amazing, and I love the modern take on the lights all the way across the back like the old school 911. I don’t have any seat time in a 992 yet, (that should change in May when I have a chance to drive a modified Carrera T on a rally) but I do absolutely love the 991 driving experience.
I made a similar decision, went from a 997 C2S to a 992 C2S, both manual. The 992 was great, modern and new and ate up the road and speed in a way that made CHP very happy to take my money. I used to be hyper critical of the 991.2, I thought the interior looked bland and the electrical steering would be muted compared to the 992. Test drove the 991.2 and all that immediately went out the window. The 991.2 blew me away, the interior is more functional, everything is simple but very well built, and even with 30k more miles than my 992 was free of creaks and rattles. Took the plunge and traded it in and have no regrets. The exhaust sounds way better and the car feels more playful even without RAS. Having an extra $40k in the bank ain’t too bad either!
I totally agree with 992 rear end. First of all I don’t like that one piece brake light, but that’s acceptable if bumper design was a nicer one just like GT3. GT3 especially Touring model because of the bumper design looks pleasing to my eyes. Front design I would say bonnet is amazing (that makes 991’s bonnet a bit dull after seeing 992), bumper is well sorted so I like front, but 991.2 is one of the most beautiful 911’s ever. For interior design I think both of them are beautiful but if I had to choose one to sit everyday I’d like to be in 992’s interior.
this is absolutely fantastic! I was on the list for a new 992 Carrera T when I came across my 2017 991.2 manual gear box with rear axle steering same color as yours! and i absolutely love it for the exact same reasons you mention in your video! In my case it was nearly $50,000 more for the new 992 I have second guessed myself many times but after watching this video I will not be doing that again! THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS!!!
As a 991.2 base owner, I feel like I won the lottery. There are endless specs and trims for this car that we all have loved for decades. I genuinely believe the 991.2 is an incredibly “complete” model. No matter the trim. It does everything. Looks great. And even though the next gen car is objectively better, nobody questions when you decide the upgrade isn’t for you.
Well said - I would add objectively marginally quicker round a track rather than "objectively better" but fully agree with your sentiment. The 991 feels like a completed journey whereas the 992 feels like the start of something else. The 992 is the first 991 that I felt did nothing for me, I tried to like it, went through endless configuration settings and it just didn't move me. Its an excellent car but thats not the same as an exciting car or an interesting car. I'm sure you'll have endless fun filled years and memories with your 991 :)
Personally I believe the cars from 2013-2016ish will turn out to be the best or the sweet spot in ownership. New enough to not feel really old but not overdone with tech. And the size as well. I am biased with my 981 base but I think time will tell.
Same engine just slightly different shape and interior. I will go 991.2 as well. Since I'm driving 991.2 and only reason for me to replace is GT3 or touring. Otherwise I will keep driving it.
997.2 is the sweet spot. Post VW the quality dropped and it’s now technology v quality. I have owned 991.1,991.2, 992 C4S and have gone back to 997.2 as a far better quality super steering 911
Did the power of the 992 Carrera T had anything to do with the switch back? I test drive a very similar Shark Blue 2024 T but could not get past the lack of power as compared to a Carrera S.
The power was adequate and actually balanced quite well with the handling, braking and steering but I did miss the power on boost of the S. The S was breaking loose in the rain in 3rd gear the other day 😂
992 with Sport fascia all around solves those issues! I like the headlights and more aggressive front end of the 992 with sport fascia over the 991. For me, 992 Targa 4 GTS w/ 6MT is where it is at. Happy you were able to get your old 991.2 back! Enjoy!
thanks for the very honest review. I have been in a 992 for a few years now. I came from a 991.2 Carrera T, and I am starting to feel the urge to change back to some kind of 991.2. Still trying to decide but this certainly helps a lot 👍
Why do 911 owners buy and sell so often? Seems many lightly used 911s have multiple previous owners. Too little satisfaction or constantly looking for a new high?
I disagree, I like better the 992 looks. If you would have got the 992 in Black that plastic in the rear end was not that noticeable. You can also customize the rear end spoiler to look different.
I just got my first Porsche and it’s a black 992.1. I had ordered mine waiting for an allocation an a EU delivery was offered to me after someone bailed on the pickup. So I didn’t choose the black color but it is very nice. It only has 50 miles on it and I’m currently breaking it in. I’m hoping to enjoy for years to come.
I have a 991.2 carerra S , (endurance racing edition) and I absolutely love it . Coming from a turbo s it wasn’t too bad of an adjustment. It’s still very fast and amazing to drive .
Can you elaborate on the seats please. I have an Audi R8 and I think the seats are pretty decent. But I rented a 992 and my back hurt in them after a while. I also rented a 2015 Boxster and those seats were fantastic. I have never driven a 991, but if the seats are much better than 992, then I would definitelly consider it. If you have any tips or suggestions, please let me know.
I share the same sentiments. I was about to spec out a 992 C4GTS, but decided to back out and keep my 991.2 C4GTS for all the reasons you mentioned in the video.
So glad I got my first porsche a few months ago and it was what I could afford, a fully spec'd 2018 C4S, in pearl white with spyder wheels. I've heard a lot about this scenario, owners going back to the 991.2 vs 992, you just get a bit more heart and soul with the analog cluster and sound!!
I get it! follow your heart! For me, it was selling my beautifully specced 991.2 T and grabbing another SC. This one a Targa to join the 81 coupe and 69 T. Only non-GT car I would consider selling any of the aircooled stuff for would be a 997 S. Anything newer, and it just doesn't have that rewarding driving feel! They are fantastic daily drivers though!
Had many Porsches, all super nice BUT!!! …… since my graphite blue 991.2 there’s no other so enveloping, re-assuring 911 and that magic paint is just hipnotic, man what a ride!!! If you can find one, buy it, mine is a forever-keeper
991.1 Targa owner and agree the 992 looks like a Panamera! Also just purchased a Cayman GTS 4.0 and WOW. Its size is great, looks great and that 4.0 NA is a honey. Did you have the chance to drive one B4 the swap? BTW still own the Targa so not ashamed to own a Cayman!!!
Yeah Will. 992 looks are only going to look worse with the 992.2 front active air intakes and black plastic parts everywhere. Unfortunately 992 looks too bulbous and the squared off frunk is a no go.
I don’t like to reveal the specifics of the financial end of my deals but I will say that passing the T back was very advantageous to me and pretty much a no brainer. I usually don’t share buying and selling $$$$ info on the channel, just repair costs.
@@Rennthusiastsorry, I wasn’t asking for specific transaction numbers. I was wondering, with the current market, if you basically got to drive the car for free for 5 months due to the current used market or did you take a little bit of a hit when selling? If it is none of my business, I understand, but there are some new cars on the market that are almost immune to depreciation.
@soonerfan745 oh man…sorry, didn’t mean to come across as offended. Definitely a great and on point question. Yes, I basically got to drive the car for free. Great opportunity and experience and worked out well for all.
Complex, multi-coloured, touch-screen displays and their cognitive load just don’t belong in a driver’s car. Push-button and lever tactility enhance the interaction without detracting from the primacy of steering, braking and gear-changing to control the car. Do you miss any of the features of the 992’s cabin technology when getting back into the 991, the Spyder and older models?
Not at all. I just got home from driving the 991. Am glad not to have the screen from 992. It’s a nice screen…that I would like in my daily driver SUV.
Will, I greatly appreciate your content. As my first 911, I have a 2018 991.2 C2. I am too green for an older model. I have been offered an allocation for a Carrera T but I just cannot pull the trigger. Your video hit me hard as I realize my plums want a 997/991 4S......I am not sure if I will ever stop chasing the next 991.
The 991.2 looks more classic Porsche, sounds so much better, is faster and the interior is still really nice imo. Awesome video, just what I was looking for.
If you like the 991.2 S you will really like the 991.2T - I wish I hadn't sold mine. One of my favourite road (not track) Porsches having owned 2 x 997's, 2 xGT3's, 4 x Spyders and a Turbo
Great video , Will. Now, if I may ask, what is you favorite between the 991.2 and the 993. If you you could only have one for weekend fun which would it be. I have a 993 and keep having thought of upgrading to a later car, but I am worried I would miss it's charms.
I used to have 930 and 993 turbos .Interior was very basic - I now have 991.2 Targa 4s and no regrets ( apart from these oldies increasing moonbeams) I now have comfort/ performance and looks
I had a similar dilemma. I had an allocation and spec’d out a 992 T. I changed my mind. Decided to keep my 991.2 GT3 Touring! So glad I did! But I am still a 964 Fan and enjoy them most!
New to your channel, absolutely love it and love this video (and your consensus)! Now that you're back to a 991 would you consider doing a comparison of the 991.1 vs .2? I still think the .1's are also an excellent (love mine). Cheers!
Hello, thank for the great vid. I didn't catch whether your 991.2 was spec'd with sunroof or not. If it is, did you see/feel any differences? I think that is the final determinant for me, since I like wide open skyboxes.
As a 991.2 Turbo Cab owner, I'll state my bias to begin with. But with a 992 and 991.2 sitting in the showroom, I chose the latter. Things with which I'm less enamoured with the 992 generation in general- door handles inside and out. Same as my Taycan, they try to bite one's fingers, they're less ergonomic, and less refined to touch. 991.2 handles in and out are peak Porsche/peak auto industry. Instrument cluster- the 991.2 is prettier. Cup holders- funny how folks crapped on the older cup holders until the new ones came out, then want the old ones back. Exhaust. Darned particulate filters and regulations have choked most of the music from the newest 911s, fixable however by the aftermarket. The 992 driving experience in the cars that I have driven, is slightly disassociated, not due to any flaw, but rather the outrageously well executed driving dynamics. Can I blame Porsche for mastery? Heck no. My buddy, a track fanatic, did one lap with an instructor while I was at Porsche's Performance driving course and got out of the car claiming that the 992 Carrera S was unfair - it's a cheat code for effortlessly going fast on the track, he said. It's the same on your favourite back roads. There aren't any wrong answers on this one IMHO, just preferences. All are amazing to own and drive.
Will, thanks for letting many of us experience all the Porsche offerings vicariously through you! I own 2 currently, have owned 4 more in the past and am content enough to just keep what I've got. On the 992 design, the discontinuity of the panel line between the bumper cover, hood and fenders always drover me nuts, and i don't even have the tiniest amount of OCD.
The only 992 & 991 I’d like would be one of the turbo or targa models. Preferably a manual targa. That blue color is so nice, but the 991’s wheels are so sweet, too. Cool video 😊
Is sales tax in North Carolina that cheap to swap cars in and out like that? In California, you'd be destroyed with (typically) 10.25+ percent sales tax with no sales tax credit allowed in trade-in situations.
I’m really surprised you didn’t mention anything about the manual stick shift versus the electric stick shift (little switch)… lo I’m very very surprised that Porsche moto is all about drivers experience In performance, yet they are taking away one thing that keeps drivers tied to performance experience via stick shift… what is your thoughts on that???
I like the fun blue color, as i call it. i am looing to buy a Honda Civic Hatch-back in the Hybrid version that is in that same color. I love the 911 Porche's. I could probably afford an older air cooled type but it would have to be in perfect condition. It is the repair coasts that concern me. Not to mention buying a great old car like that and then having it in the shop all the time is not my idea of a good thing. I enjoy your videos. Jeff
Simply put, imho....
The 997.2 is the peak the water-cooled 911 driver experience. (smaller, lighter, hydraulic steering, more tossable and more rewarding on a twisty road than 991-992, pedestrian interior and tech, in retrospect)
The 991.1 is the peak water-cooled, naturally-aspirated owner experience. (better interior and tech than 997, better exhaust sound, revvier, more visceral than .2)
The 991.2 is the peak water-cooled, turbo-charged owner experience. (torquier and more refined in every way, but not as viscerally satisfying as .1)
The 992 is a technical marvel, but too fat-assed and generically-styled with too much of a generic a driving experience (for a Porsche).
I did something very similar. I own a 991 Touring and was able to spec a new 992 Touring.. I absolutely love the 991 so I didn’t sell it when I got the 992. After around 5 months of owning the 992 I decided I would sell it and keep the 991. It had nothing to do with value. I liked everything about my 991 over the 992. I’m glad I was able to keep the 991 while I had the chance to experience the 992.
I bet Cup Holder location is the top 5 reason why you chose 991 over 992
The 992 is more stable with high speed. I drive a lot on the autobahn in Germany. That’s where you really feel the different between the 991 and the 992.
@@christmasisawesome9348 never used the cup holder in either car
@@PeterSmit-z6z I live in the U. S. so not really a factor
haha same story here i sold 992 base and kept my 991.2 base ❤
I completely understand, I have a .2 C2S manual and love it. I turned down a 992 allocation as the interior is just too much for me. I spend 14 hours a day staring at computer displays and don’t want it in my car. I just need simple CarPlay in the 2.
Yep!
I just bought a 991 and completely agree. I like buttons and solidity - not gadgets and gimmicks. Android auto/Car Play from Porsche would be nice
Don’t blame you. I passed on the chance to order a 992 and am keeping my 2017, 991.2
I also passed a 992 and bought a 2018 TT S cab.
IMHO the 991.2 has just a classic, beautiful silhouette
I dislike the front view of the 992. Looks like a VW bug due to the flat bottom.
991.2 best newer Porsche. In GTS version hard to beat in GT Silver.
Will, kudos to you again for your honest and eloquent description of this dilemma. Love your comment that the idea of ordering a brand new 911 vs owning one. Wise words indeed. Thanks!
the reason i love my 997.2, a beautiful design, relatively compact and ohh no plastics.
Will, you crack me up and yes, we are not surprised at all! Good for you.
Really nice comparison:
1. Wonder if you'd like 992 in sport design pack- much more aggressive look and sporty. Not the biggest fan of 991.2 front with the inward slant. My 992 sport design pack has outward slant which I think looks more aggressive. The sport design pack also makes rear look much better.
2. I do like the center exhausts of the 991.2.
3. Do the 991.2 lights bother you? Not a fan of the 2 circles, just looks old to me.
4. Less angular front bonnet in 991.2
5. I love the steering wheel design of the 992 and the 991.2 steering wheel looks much more outdated. Buttons in 991.2 are nice, as with the more traditional stick.
Yeah I have a 992 T and when speccing I hated the open mouth frog bumper at the front so I forced myself to shill out the extra 7k for sports design package in high gloss black, and so glad I did. Totally transforms the look of the car.
@@a004 same here, I love the sport design front and rear (no wing) on mine
After watching your 992 T video, I was so excited for my own to be built. But I was told the shark blue was discontinued. Comparing the 991.2 T and 992 T, I decided to give up my 992 T spot and bought a 991.2 T. It’s yellow, with manual, great specs, 40 grand cheaper than a 992 T. Very happy with the purchase and don’t regret about giving away the 992 T.
I picked up a 991.2 T back in Dec 2019 for $88k. Guards Red, manual, sport exhaust, bucket seats, etc. LOVE IT!!! I recently was at my local dealership for service and saw a used 992 T in guards red, manual but worse spec going for $138.5k... INSANE....
I hope you are enjoying yours as much as I am mine, it's a fantastic car!
My first 911 was a 991.2. I could not get over the sound. Power and tech was nice. Now I own a 997.2 and 991.1. Natural aspiration is the way for me. Have not dipped my toes into the air cooled world yet and not sure I have the patience unfortunately. But they definitely look the best! My next 911 will likely be a 991.2 gt3. Love your content. Thanks.
To each his own... I wouldn't go back to my 991.2 gts.(as incredible as it was) I love love love my 992 4s. Nothing cooler than a black Porsche. Happy for you on regaining the one that got away.....Happy motoring
I loved my black 997 X51 and my black 930 even more, but black is a real PITA!
After owning 5 911’’s…I’m done. Why? I just discovered the driving purity of a 718 Boxster 4.0 GTS, N/A engine, sound, exploitable power/torque, handling, balance, ride, power, threading down B roads, real buttons/few screens, feeling so natural and right. It is a gem of a car and in my view the best sports car Porsche makes. Porsche just announced they have stopped making them for Europe with new EV coming.
This is actually really interesting to know. Do you have any sources that claim they’re shutting down 718 production?
@@milkyy4168 I tried sending you a link but YT appears to have blocked it. There are a number of articles in the press on the matter, for example this excerpt recently from Forbes “As a result, sale of the 718 models with an internal combustion engine is discontinued in the EU and some states that apply EU legislation from now on, thereby ensuring that the vehicles can be delivered to customers and registered by the deadline.”
@@neilgaydon5430 Thanks, YT generally blocks any and all links in comments because of phishing. If that’s genuinely the case, then I guess the simultaneous 718 and 718 ev lineup by the porsche rep was wrong?
Not necessarily. The EU regulation applies to ANY car from July with the offending management system that infringes cyber security - the 718 is one and there will be others cars, perhaps even some EV’s. Porsche said it’s not worth the effort to fix it so late in the day for that model. Therefore discontinuation of the 718 in europe and any states that adopt EU regulation is certain. The UK and USA are apparently OK, for the time being. So there could well be a crossover period, but who knows if this hastens the 718’s demise. It’s certainly worth reading the articles given the complexity. I hope this helps.
@@neilgaydon5430 Thanks, it helps a lot!
Good rundown of the pros and cons from your standpoint.
I found it helpful. Thanks!
991.2 Porsche's are one of the most beautiful cars ever made. I would have done the same thing, though that blue on the 992 does looks stunning.
Definitely to each their own...I like the look of the 992 WAY better
which have you owned and driven? Probably neither right?
@@turbokid99 Ugh...really? Believe it or not, in videos like this many of the comments are from owners, like myself
@@turbokid99 Why does that matter?
992 much nicer looking ❤
From a design perspective the 992 is a bit of a mess - looks like a team design. Whereas the 991 has clarity and a simplicity of line and form. The interior of the 992, is just awful - it could be from any Benz or BMW, with the heavy "tech" emphasis it will age terribly. Having said that it is well made and has a quality feel but.........not a lot of character. The 992 is the first time I have not bought a new Porsche sports in over 20+ plus years, I even knocked back a rare 992 GT3 RS allocation in preference for a 296 GTB. Porsche may be selling more product but they are not selling better sports cars. The more recent exceptions being the 718 GT4 RS - but that is trading on the 981 look, style and rigid chassis mated with the engine and gearing of the 991.2 GT3 RS.
Will, you’re classic, in a good way. Finally found someone I can relate to with these videos. Went from a 992 to a 991.2 Carrera T, after various air cooled cars to three different 997s. Friends that dont get it, say I have a problem. 😂. I feel better seeing this videos, they’re great…..keep them coming!
There are others like us out there!
You change your mind in cars more often than some people change their underwear
And? I touched on that in the video. This is how I enjoy the hobby and run my channel. All good.
Btw that analogy is gross.
Just busting your chops I know it's good for your content. Bless you that you have the money to do it.
@@brucefromaz7708I'm surprised you don't recognize all the buying & selling is to create content, business transactions. He can deduct the cost of buying that blue car from his taxes, then if he sells it at a loss, it's a further tax deduction, I'd imagine Will pays zero taxes. If he wasn't running a TH-cam channel, then maybe he'd be changing cars unusually often, but he's somewhat of a car dealership, in fact, I'd imagine he has his dealers license, so he can sell more than seven cars per year.
Great video as always Will, and this makes me appreciate my black 991.2 C2 manual with its 4 way standard seats, no sun roof, no pse even more 😀
You’ve got a driver’s spec there! 🙌🏼
I have a 992 Carrera S (PDK)and a 991.2 Carrera T (man), I’ve had both from new. I totally understand where you’re coming from. I believe the 991 Carrera T is a very special car. I love my 992 but for different reasons.
When playing around with the configurator on Porsche’s website and I always end up adding the Sports Facia package because the rear of it looks so much better with it than the stock rear end. Cool to see you went back to the 991 that’s what I always gravitate towards when I day dream.
I like both .I drive a 992 T in jet black metallic. Very pure spec., only essentials but no ras. On a black body the dark plastic parts are luckily not an eye catcher anymore. I personally go through different emotional stages.with every car. 1. Excitement and proudness 2. Disillusionment and doubts, 3. reconciliation 4. Deep bonding and emotional attachment. I think I just hit stage 3…..Your black 991.2 is a beautiful elegant and timeless car.
These are great phases you’ve come up with. Sounds like a good video topic, bc I can 100% relate!!!
One thing I appreciate in the 991 and earlier generations is that all the body panels have a curve and rounded corners, including the hood. In the 992 they straightened out some of these lines, which I think was a unique feature of 911s. One you notice those beautiful curves and rounded edges, you can’t unsee it.
the 992 Neeeds the GTS frontbumper !
that alone makes, or totaly breaks it (for me ^^)
and U can wrap the 991.2
it protects the paint, any anything (but grey!) is beter ^^
Amazing video. Just bought my first carrera, 991.2 thanks to your video and many others that shared the same opinions. I do see it in the same way as well. Can’t wait to recieve it! And the comments section was very helpful thank you guys ❤
I think the 991.2 is one of the best looking 911s ever made. (My opinion) I do agree the front end of the 992 is a bit cleaner. Will, you seem like you might enjoy a new 718 GTS 4.0 better than a 911 since they are small, less tech, and more focused on the driving experience. Have you ever considered ordering one of those while there are still allocations available? I have one in production right now and own a 1971 911 E. I love the new 911s but I’ve always loved the size of the caymans/boxsters as they feel like the “old formula”, more similar to my old 911.
That color on the 992 is amazing
It is so nice to have you as an 'older brother' exploring things and discussing them, for everyone (i.e. me 😊) to learn from! I sooo understand this move!
Passed on my allocation for a 992 S and bought a 991.2 S. I’m very happy with my decision.
I had a suspicion this might happen. I kept my 992 less than a year. I also kept my 718 spyder and 981 gt4 for a year or less. Like you, I tend to change my mind often. But I’ve come to a point where the modern porches just don’t do it for me any more, and I would only grab the keys to my 77 911 hot rod or my 964 rs. Right now I don’t see myself jumping back into a modern car. Of course, with my track record, I might change my mind in a year.
So glad to hear from a kindred spirit. I have a really good friend who is just like us and is a great “car counselor.”
Life is short, buy and experience what you want, enjoy the ride until you don’t, and keep on moving.
Thank you Will - you are right, the 991’s rear end looks better. I appreciate you sharing your perspectives.
If you like the look of the 991.2, you can spec the Sport Design front on the 992 and it will look very close to the old. If you don't like the look of the plastic rear lower bumper, you can spec to have it painted. It's called "Exterior Package Painted" at just around 1k. The options are endless with the 992.
I built mine higher spec and ended up around $150. I didn’t want to go north of that and focused most of the money on the interior as that’s where you spend most of your time.
I don’t hate the exterior of the 992…I just find the 991.2 more in line with what I like.
That’s the good thing of Porsche, there is a car for every enthousiast. Personally at the moment I am really thrived about my yellow 718 Spider after owning a manual 997.2 Turbo Cabriolet over 10 years. But I know for sure that the new owner of the 997.2 will enjoy it every klilometer!
I really like the rear of 991 as well. Car is less tech dependant than 992. However, I would keep the shark blue because of color. Black is harder to keep clean and does not pop like shark blue. Shark blue is discontinued now. I have a 2024 911 Carrera GTS in Shark Blue with black leather. Red caliper steels, black RS Spyder 5-lugs. 7 speed manual. Love the car. It is big, but shrinks with cameras, RAS, and boosted electric steering. To each his own, as long as you are happy. My favorite car of yours is the red 981 Spyder..always a treat to see that car😊
The best-looking 992 rear-end has the quad pipes.
It’s funny, I love the 992 rear. The pipes coming out of the sides up inside the bumper looks amazing, and I love the modern take on the lights all the way across the back like the old school 911. I don’t have any seat time in a 992 yet, (that should change in May when I have a chance to drive a modified Carrera T on a rally) but I do absolutely love the 991 driving experience.
How was the rally? A 992 in a rally?
@@ishme3399 I ended up doing it in a 718 GT4, which was incredible. So still no 992 seat time!
I made a similar decision, went from a 997 C2S to a 992 C2S, both manual. The 992 was great, modern and new and ate up the road and speed in a way that made CHP very happy to take my money. I used to be hyper critical of the 991.2, I thought the interior looked bland and the electrical steering would be muted compared to the 992. Test drove the 991.2 and all that immediately went out the window. The 991.2 blew me away, the interior is more functional, everything is simple but very well built, and even with 30k more miles than my 992 was free of creaks and rattles. Took the plunge and traded it in and have no regrets. The exhaust sounds way better and the car feels more playful even without RAS. Having an extra $40k in the bank ain’t too bad either!
Was expecting a this was going to be a why I prefer 992 video - but kudos to you as the 991.2 is a great car and it’s all about the journey 👍🙏
the 992 needs the gloss black sport design fascia and rear bumper and It changes the car completely. that's how I spec'd my T that's coming in July
I totally agree with 992 rear end. First of all I don’t like that one piece brake light, but that’s acceptable if bumper design was a nicer one just like GT3. GT3 especially Touring model because of the bumper design looks pleasing to my eyes. Front design I would say bonnet is amazing (that makes 991’s bonnet a bit dull after seeing 992), bumper is well sorted so I like front, but 991.2 is one of the most beautiful 911’s ever. For interior design I think both of them are beautiful but if I had to choose one to sit everyday I’d like to be in 992’s interior.
this is absolutely fantastic! I was on the list for a new 992 Carrera T when I came across my 2017 991.2 manual gear box with rear axle steering same color as yours! and i absolutely love it for the exact same reasons you mention in your video! In my case it was nearly $50,000 more for the new 992 I have second guessed myself many times but after watching this video I will not be doing that again! THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS!!!
💯 I respect that choice cheaper, better looking, more visceral 991.2 model!
As a 991.2 base owner, I feel like I won the lottery. There are endless specs and trims for this car that we all have loved for decades. I genuinely believe the 991.2 is an incredibly “complete” model. No matter the trim. It does everything. Looks great. And even though the next gen car is objectively better, nobody questions when you decide the upgrade isn’t for you.
Well said - I would add objectively marginally quicker round a track rather than "objectively better" but fully agree with your sentiment. The 991 feels like a completed journey whereas the 992 feels like the start of something else. The 992 is the first 991 that I felt did nothing for me, I tried to like it, went through endless configuration settings and it just didn't move me. Its an excellent car but thats not the same as an exciting car or an interesting car. I'm sure you'll have endless fun filled years and memories with your 991 :)
Personally I believe the cars from 2013-2016ish will turn out to be the best or the sweet spot in ownership. New enough to not feel really old but not overdone with tech. And the size as well. I am biased with my 981 base but I think time will tell.
Something about the 991.2 that really hit the sweet spot.
Same engine just slightly different shape and interior. I will go 991.2 as well. Since I'm driving 991.2 and only reason for me to replace is GT3 or touring. Otherwise I will keep driving it.
997.2 is the sweet spot. Post VW the quality dropped and it’s now technology v quality. I have owned 991.1,991.2, 992 C4S and have gone back to 997.2 as a far better quality super steering 911
Did the power of the 992 Carrera T had anything to do with the switch back? I test drive a very similar Shark Blue 2024 T but could not get past the lack of power as compared to a Carrera S.
The power was adequate and actually balanced quite well with the handling, braking and steering but I did miss the power on boost of the S.
The S was breaking loose in the rain in 3rd gear the other day 😂
992 with Sport fascia all around solves those issues! I like the headlights and more aggressive front end of the 992 with sport fascia over the 991. For me, 992 Targa 4 GTS w/ 6MT is where it is at. Happy you were able to get your old 991.2 back! Enjoy!
Imo 991.2 was the best looking Porsche era of all time.
LOVE IT, you do want you want when you want to! Like the black car better , just the exhaust tips do it for me
thanks for the very honest review. I have been in a 992 for a few years now. I came from a 991.2 Carrera T, and I am starting to feel the urge to change back to some kind of 991.2.
Still trying to decide but this certainly helps a lot 👍
have a 991.2 now and thinking of trading to a 992 today but changed my mind when looked at the 2 cars side by side..991 rear just look better to me.
Why do 911 owners buy and sell so often? Seems many lightly used 911s have multiple previous owners. Too little satisfaction or constantly looking for a new high?
Sometimes simpler is better. Great content Will.
I disagree, I like better the 992 looks. If you would have got the 992 in Black that plastic in the rear end was not that noticeable. You can also customize the rear end spoiler to look different.
Thanks for your comment
I just got my first Porsche and it’s a black 992.1. I had ordered mine waiting for an allocation an a EU delivery was offered to me after someone bailed on the pickup.
So I didn’t choose the black color but it is very nice. It only has 50 miles on it and I’m currently breaking it in.
I’m hoping to enjoy for years to come.
I have a 991.2 carerra S , (endurance racing edition) and I absolutely love it . Coming from a turbo s it wasn’t too bad of an adjustment. It’s still very fast and amazing to drive .
I did same thing myself. The 992 interior is boring. Two outside dials blocked. Beard shaver. Seats arent comfortable. Piano black gets dirty.
Can you elaborate on the seats please. I have an Audi R8 and I think the seats are pretty decent. But I rented a 992 and my back hurt in them after a while. I also rented a 2015 Boxster and those seats were fantastic. I have never driven a 991, but if the seats are much better than 992, then I would definitelly consider it. If you have any tips or suggestions, please let me know.
I share the same sentiments. I was about to spec out a 992 C4GTS, but decided to back out and keep my 991.2 C4GTS for all the reasons you mentioned in the video.
Would love to hear your take on the 991.2 vs the 991.1 !
991.2 looks wat better. Crazy enough I did the same thing you did. Now I’m back in my dream car 991:2,
Great video. I love being here for the ride. I noticed you still have the Spyder. If you know you know! Enjoy life as much as you can.
So glad I got my first porsche a few months ago and it was what I could afford, a fully spec'd 2018 C4S, in pearl white with spyder wheels. I've heard a lot about this scenario, owners going back to the 991.2 vs 992, you just get a bit more heart and soul with the analog cluster and sound!!
I get it! follow your heart! For me, it was selling my beautifully specced 991.2 T and grabbing another SC. This one a Targa to join the 81 coupe and 69 T. Only non-GT car I would consider selling any of the aircooled stuff for would be a 997 S. Anything newer, and it just doesn't have that rewarding driving feel! They are fantastic daily drivers though!
Had many Porsches, all super nice BUT!!! …… since my graphite blue 991.2 there’s no other so enveloping, re-assuring 911 and that magic paint is just hipnotic, man what a ride!!! If you can find one, buy it, mine is a forever-keeper
I have to agree mate I have a base model 991.2 and absolutely love it.
Is the 2024 the Cayenne or 911? I can't tell the difference anymore...
991.1 Targa owner and agree the 992 looks like a Panamera! Also just purchased a Cayman GTS 4.0 and WOW. Its size is great, looks great and that 4.0 NA is a honey. Did you have the chance to drive one B4 the swap? BTW still own the Targa so not ashamed to own a Cayman!!!
Whatever keeps the content flowing! Keep em moving! 😂
Yeah Will. 992 looks are only going to look worse with the 992.2 front active air intakes and black plastic parts everywhere. Unfortunately 992 looks too bulbous and the squared off frunk is a no go.
Thanks for sharing. How was the depreciation on the 992 after 5 months?
Including taxes at least 30,000
@@dhope6181 highly unlikely. The dealer listed his msrp 150k car at 170k. My guess is he got about 150k. So he prob just lost out on the taxes.
I would like to see a video discussing how much depreciation (if any) the 992 had on the sale back to the original dealer after 5 months of ownership.
I don’t like to reveal the specifics of the financial end of my deals but I will say that passing the T back was very advantageous to me and pretty much a no brainer.
I usually don’t share buying and selling $$$$ info on the channel, just repair costs.
@@Rennthusiastsorry, I wasn’t asking for specific transaction numbers. I was wondering, with the current market, if you basically got to drive the car for free for 5 months due to the current used market or did you take a little bit of a hit when selling? If it is none of my business, I understand, but there are some new cars on the market that are almost immune to depreciation.
@soonerfan745 oh man…sorry, didn’t mean to come across as offended. Definitely a great and on point question.
Yes, I basically got to drive the car for free. Great opportunity and experience and worked out well for all.
If I could only drive 2 cars for the rest of my adult life, I would pick these two cars right here. Speced EXACTLY like this. Great taste. 👌🏾💯🔥
I bought today 991.2 from 2017 in Graphite Blue Metallic. Nice car!
Complex, multi-coloured, touch-screen displays and their cognitive load just don’t belong in a driver’s car. Push-button and lever tactility enhance the interaction without detracting from the primacy of steering, braking and gear-changing to control the car. Do you miss any of the features of the 992’s cabin technology when getting back into the 991, the Spyder and older models?
Not at all. I just got home from driving the 991. Am glad not to have the screen from 992. It’s a nice screen…that I would like in my daily driver SUV.
What a garage! I wish I had similar problems on which one to keep. I couldn't even keep up with dicast desktop models....sigh
Will, I greatly appreciate your content. As my first 911, I have a 2018 991.2 C2. I am too green for an older model. I have been offered an allocation for a Carrera T but I just cannot pull the trigger. Your video hit me hard as I realize my plums want a 997/991 4S......I am not sure if I will ever stop chasing the next 991.
The 991.2 looks more classic Porsche, sounds so much better, is faster and the interior is still really nice imo. Awesome video, just what I was looking for.
If you like the 991.2 S you will really like the 991.2T - I wish I hadn't sold mine. One of my favourite road (not track) Porsches having owned 2 x 997's, 2 xGT3's, 4 x Spyders and a Turbo
Great video , Will. Now, if I may ask, what is you favorite between the 991.2 and the 993. If you you could only have one for weekend fun which would it be. I have a 993 and keep having thought of upgrading to a later car, but I am worried I would miss it's charms.
Keep your 993. It’s the best 911.
@@Rennthusiast Thanks!
I used to have 930 and 993 turbos .Interior was very basic - I now have 991.2 Targa 4s and no regrets ( apart from these oldies increasing moonbeams) I now have comfort/ performance and looks
I think you made the right decision. Love aesthetics of the 991.2. What are your plans for the Spyder?
I plan to enjoy it for another season. I’ll never say forever with any of my cars 😂
I understand where you come from… I own a 991.1 S, and I’m kind of admiring the 997.2…!
I have a 997.1 on my mind to sit alongside the 991.2 and the Spyder. 😂
@@Rennthusiastjust curious why 997.1 and not 997.2?
@@Rennthusiastdo it!
I had a similar dilemma. I had an allocation and spec’d out a 992 T. I changed my mind. Decided to keep my 991.2 GT3 Touring! So glad I did! But I am still a 964 Fan and enjoy them most!
Smart move.
My question is, how often was Rennthusiast married, and how many times to the same woman.
New to your channel, absolutely love it and love this video (and your consensus)!
Now that you're back to a 991 would you consider doing a comparison of the 991.1 vs .2? I still think the .1's are also an excellent (love mine). Cheers!
Hello, thank for the great vid. I didn't catch whether your 991.2 was spec'd with sunroof or not. If it is, did you see/feel any differences? I think that is the final determinant for me, since I like wide open skyboxes.
Wow Will. I didn’t see any of this coming!
Haha keeping you all guessing
i agree the 992 rear end and overall mass is hard to accept compared to 991. 992 interior is much better imo but not enough to make up for it
I had 991.2 turbo s and the 992 chassis is similar to GT3 991.2. It was no brainer to take the 992 turbo S and my track times back me up.
As a 991.2 Turbo Cab owner, I'll state my bias to begin with. But with a 992 and 991.2 sitting in the showroom, I chose the latter. Things with which I'm less enamoured with the 992 generation in general- door handles inside and out. Same as my Taycan, they try to bite one's fingers, they're less ergonomic, and less refined to touch. 991.2 handles in and out are peak Porsche/peak auto industry. Instrument cluster- the 991.2 is prettier. Cup holders- funny how folks crapped on the older cup holders until the new ones came out, then want the old ones back. Exhaust. Darned particulate filters and regulations have choked most of the music from the newest 911s, fixable however by the aftermarket. The 992 driving experience in the cars that I have driven, is slightly disassociated, not due to any flaw, but rather the outrageously well executed driving dynamics. Can I blame Porsche for mastery? Heck no. My buddy, a track fanatic, did one lap with an instructor while I was at Porsche's Performance driving course and got out of the car claiming that the 992 Carrera S was unfair - it's a cheat code for effortlessly going fast on the track, he said. It's the same on your favourite back roads. There aren't any wrong answers on this one IMHO, just preferences. All are amazing to own and drive.
Will, thanks for letting many of us experience all the Porsche offerings vicariously through you!
I own 2 currently, have owned 4 more in the past and am content enough to just keep what I've got.
On the 992 design, the discontinuity of the panel line between the bumper cover, hood and fenders always drover me nuts, and i don't even have the tiniest amount of OCD.
the open/close flaps on the newer bumper look uneven. is it normal? one side is open and the other is closed.
Have a weird “split the difference” take on this. Have a 991.2 T and love it. Not my first 911 but really like the 991.2 and don’t like the 992s.
The only 992 & 991 I’d like would be one of the turbo or targa models. Preferably a manual targa. That blue color is so nice, but the 991’s wheels are so sweet, too. Cool video 😊
Is sales tax in North Carolina that cheap to swap cars in and out like that? In California, you'd be destroyed with (typically) 10.25+ percent sales tax with no sales tax credit allowed in trade-in situations.
There are def other states which are more favorable.
Yep, same issue here. Every time you buy a car the tax bite is very substantial so have to keep the car for a while
@@Surfingandy111 Tax situation in Montana, for example, is a very good one.
@@Rennthusiastand just across the line in SC. $500 max sales tax no matter how much the sales price...
I know but that does not help me in CA@@Rennthusiast
I tend to resist the urge to change to often 😅. You need to bond with the car in my view. But this for sure makes for a great channel 😂
16 year old me watching this with less than 800 dollars in my bank account
I’m really surprised you didn’t mention anything about the manual stick shift versus the electric stick shift (little switch)… lo
I’m very very surprised that Porsche moto is all about drivers experience In performance, yet they are taking away one thing that keeps drivers tied to performance experience via stick shift… what is your thoughts on that???
I agree but the PDK box is insanely good. The move away from manual is, I’m guessing, perhaps tied to emissions requirements.
“View of rear end” category is high on the Porsche selection criteria list
I like the fun blue color, as i call it. i am looing to buy a Honda Civic Hatch-back in the Hybrid version
that is in that same color. I love the 911 Porche's. I could probably afford an older air cooled type
but it would have to be in perfect condition. It is the repair coasts that concern me. Not to mention
buying a great old car like that and then having it in the shop all the time is not my idea of a good thing.
I enjoy your videos.
Jeff