The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars. I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
Nice to see such an honest summation. Most people couldn't help but make out what they were currently driving is the best. Bravo !!. Oh & both cars, gorgeous
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
You’re driving on the street I used to live on! Right down the road from greenfield hill Mercado Fairfield ct, beautiful neighborhood and beautiful car! Thank you for the review!
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
I'm from the 🇬🇧 and a great fan of yours Nick. I'd like also to thank Brian your friend for him allowing you to produce these great vids. Ps I'm collecting my very first Porsche next Friday 28th Manual 911.2 Carrera 😜
3:04 The larger gas tank is due to the extra 4cm space robbed from the trunk by the front drive. On top of it the tank can be made larger The larger rear body of the "4" is also less aero at high speeds, thus the lower max velocity. The sills on the "4" minimize the disturbance in the air flow caused by the wider rear body. I guess it better channels the side flow and stops it from getting under the car at the rear (in front of the rear wheels) and generate high speed lift at the back axle.
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
You all know that the 2S and the 4S are both amazing machines. I personally have my 2022 Carrera 2 S on its way. Delivery is April 15, 2022. Can't wait.
I don't watch this video to know what's all wheel drive or rear wheel drive I watch it bcz of two Porsche's and ur videos always good and some time funny keep up the good work
I have a 2013 991 C4S. It was the wider body and the light bar that put it over the top for me, lookswise. I’d also add that here in Connecticut the 4WD with the stock tires is not very good in the snow. However, with OZ 19” wheels and slightly more narrow snow tires the car is an absolute blast in the white stuff!
I concur! I live in Southern California so 4 wheel drive wasn't as important to me. If I lived in state like yours and use it as a daily driver. Then I would definitely get a four wheel. Thank you for your video!
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
Isn't torque steer what you get in front wheel drive cars - when the power going through the front wheels affects the steering inputs? Never heard it used to describe a cornering technique in a rwd car.
Same principle in a way, as too much power is applied to the rear wheels you get over steer and you can steer the car with power instead of steering input
What you are referring to is power oversteer, not torque steer, which, as I said above, is the term used for FWD cars when the engine's torque interferes with the steering inputs. This is not at all the same thing as power oversteer which can, used judiciously, help a car turn into a corner.
I've seen people drifting their awd cars so I am thinking that it is still possible to drift the 4S but maybe harder to do. The current 4S has about 50bhp more than the 2 also so you aren't just paying for awd but better engine performance that brings the two within 0.1sec at 0-60mph.
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
I had no idea there were so many aesthetic differences. Very informative, and personally, I support the 4s. I have ultimately found that one can get out of a corner a quantifiably faster with AWD on a tight and technical course in the dry, and the advantages seem exponential in wet and cold climates due to the traction advantage when introducing some over-steer. I'm also not sure I've met a car that wouldn't go sideways, but I understand that's a lot of car ($) to throw around, and frankly, its just nice to look at; Very nice to look at; Very, very nice to look at. Thanks for the video, Nick!
Hey Nick, thanks for such a great video. Awesome! You forgot to mention one more difference, and that is your car has four exhaust pipes while the other has only two. I agree that rear wheel drive is so much more fun in dry weather, I know, because I notice more hair on my chest after driving my CLS63 AMG. LOL!!!
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
Aside from the snow... If you live in Seattle or Vancouver? RAIN! But 4 wheel drifts in the rain and snow especially with around 300hp? That would be a blast.
Nick you must be a braver man than I trying to step the rear out with all those stone walls around. Unless of course the clear bra prevents against stone wall impacts.
Neal P, I'll chime in on this one... because I actually made a Facebook post about this, kind of. People at Chevy, Ford, Toyota dealerships dress like normal working class people. At Audi, BMW, and MB people dress really nice... like saying I'm successful and buying a nice car to show it. At the Porsche dealer I see lots of men in t-shirt, shorts, and sneakers or sandles. Apparently when you're buying a "dream car" you dress like you're on vacation living the good life. ☺
Neal P ..991 c2s here in socal. I wear an old weather beaten t-shirt and old faded naturally ripped blue jeans when I take my toy out on weekend drive. no fancy porsche logo clothings. I've seen porsche drivers with porsche patches and logos all on their clothes that you can see it from all angles and dont forget the porsche hat.
Nick, you should REALLY do a comparo between your car and 2016+ Jaguar F Type R. I own a 2016 (AWD, obviously) and surely I am very biased, but I love the 911s and these cars compete more or less directly with each other. I know you like the V6 F Type S and trust me, the difference between that model and the R is YUUUUGE. Anyway, please consider and thanks in advance! P.S. You can use my F Type R if you are ever in San Diego (we'll have plenty of cool cars for you to review as well)
I have, it's a good episode. But I like Nick's very hands-on, detailed approach to things. He might review it differently. Also, the Motor Trend's comparo was between RWD cars. RWD F Type Rs are not longer available (new) in the States...
Nick, I know that it's a Porsche and all (new one under warranty @ that) but, is it possible to disconnect the front drive physically or with a tune for those fun summer days or not? Thanks.. Stan from Fort Wayne, Indiana
There was a trick in older '4' models where you could engage the park brake and decouple the front drive shaft, well I have been told, never actually seen it done. These days no such luck.
Stan Chase I know people who disconnect their AWD Volvo XC driveshafts during summer so their cars are FWD. 911s have the engine in the back so turning AWD in RWD is so dumb idea that it may work but no one would or should do it in a new car full of electronics. But funny concept.
Only the C2S has the option of the extra large 90L tank. This is a very, very nice option for high-speed touring on the German autobahn. Of course, if you only go back and forth to Starbucks like Nick does you can buy the C4S.
hi nick, i was worried when i choose my new porsche (i had one of the first models cayman s), i choose the 991.2 gts. I was worried because i like track days (i live in italy and go around monza, imola, vallelunga and mugello) and thought about something happening on old awd 911: the understeer in the exit phase of the turn. I said maybe new models don't have that problem any more...But i have chosen the nornal 911 gts...with the extra money spared i put the rear axle steering and pdk...i was worried about losing that beautiful oversteer in the turn. I'm happy to know by an awd owner the pro and cons, i think i did the best chose for me(not so much rain and snow around where i live). thk you so much for your informative videos
Thomas Bailey, they only stretched out the wheel arch on wide body like .75 inch on each side. I have a 991.1 c2s and looking at the car from the rear slightly kneeling to driver sitting hight its pretty wide. so subtle it's hard to tell unless comparing the two cars side by side.
Hi Nick, What is the difference with the traction control off? We had the 996 Turbo out on a frozen lake and it was very different with the traction control off - way more fun and would four-wheel drift beautifully! With it on it really had it's head down and was very safe and directed (and slow). Oh, the 3.2 is a hoot in the snow ;) Franny
Hi Franny, there are 3 traction control settings in these models, full nanny which lets you get a little sideways before fixing the problem for you, Limited stability system which is pretty much off but will step in if you are completely losing control, and full off. Interestingly full off will still intervene in certain circumstances when the system is sure you will die without it stepping in.
I've heard the AWD is faster on the track too. More stable in the turns so it carries higher speeds and can put the power down sooner. I'd love the see a Motor Trend Head 2 Head of the 911 C2 and 911 C4. Being honest, I'd never track a new 911... I don't have that kind of money to piss away if something went wrong. IF I was going for speed the new Camaro ZL1 would be on my shopping list, or even the SS 1LE.
How about Carrera vs Carrera S in a 997 manual. I'm not asking which one has more power (obviously), I just want to know if the difference justifies the price for non-track driving. Thanks.
We've had horrendous rains this year in the Bay Area and I can't tell you how many times my 911 rear-end has slipped out from under me... specially since I wasn't really pushing it... I wish I had the 4S... Considering how many times I''ll push it on purpose to jut regular driving... really wish I had the 4S...
I love these little insightful videos that only porsche owners would know. Thanks for sharing and letting us live our Porsche dreams thru you! Ps how long do u plan to keep the Porsche until you upgrade and any thoughts on what you'd upgrade to?
Hey Nick, great video! Will there be a detailed vid about C2 and your C4S engine and performance difference? Also a few words with and without Sport Chrono and manual transmission. Would be great. Take care!
Nice comparison! The wide body really makes a big difference with the two cars together (to my eyes). Yours also appears to be a little bit lower as well.
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The Carrera 4 I previously owned had an amazing feeling while you were into a turn and stepped into the throttle. You could actually feel the front wheels bear down and pull you through the turn. Loved the way that car pulled onto highway ramps.
Nice comparison. 95% of the discussion I see on Porsche 2ws vs. awd centers on weather. Unless you're buying a Porsche specifically to drive in snowy conditions climbing hills, weather matters very little. Awd vs. 2wd is a different driving experience. I think you described it very well: 2wd gives you a loose back end when you want it. Awd will pull you around corners and is generally "safer" in that it's much harder to do something stupid with the back end. Of course, some of us like to do stupid (aka fun) stuff with our cars.
I have a preference for awd because I like the confidence it brings. For me at higher speed awd just corners better. You could argue that it's a skill issue on my part. There's a reason the 911 turbos are awd.
I did not know that the 4s had a wider body. You learn something everyday, except when you dont.
That's because it's not much wider than the C2 body with the 997 and 991 models. On the 996, the 4S was significantly wider and looked much nicer than the C2 of that generation.
Some days two things!
And thanks to you I can now fake being a Porsche guy in casual coffee break conversations. =)
+Bowshould, so the GTS is still in the mid body category isn't it?
GTS is wide body
Honestly the widebody is worth the money, it looks a lot better. Still it would be great if you could completely disengage AWD and make it RWD when you wanted, surprised Porsche didn't make that a $10,000 option knowing them.
venom5809 The GTS is RWD with 4S widebody.
+Steel86Curtain, which is still not AWD which you would want if you lived in an area with winter weather and you drove your 911 in those conditions like Nick does, hence why I said it would be great if you could disengage it when you didn't need it.
But with that feature, you'd always have the extra weight with you. Also, the weight distribution would be different which could affect the "911 experience".
Try driving both, the 4S doesn't take away any fun, and only when I'm basically in "shit my pants I'm going to crash" mode does the AWD pull me out of it. Maybe I'm getting old like Nick, but I think it's ok for it to save me from a crash while allowing me to at least attempt the crash. ;-)
Might be able to find and pull a fuse somewhere under the frunck?
I think I rather wait for a fwd cvt 911.
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I know this is a joke, but it still hurts...
If that happens(which will not obv), that'll be like an April Fools joke come true.
Sang Eeth remember that 15 years ago an automatic transmission had no place in supercars, today is the other way around, so when it comes to Cars nothing surprises me anymore, and yes CVT transmissions are the worst kind of transmissions.
you forgot a naturally aspirated diesel engine!
There's only one solution, Nick: Have both! In all seriousness, really neat to hear about the little differences and your wheels are amazing!
I'd buy the C4S just for that red line connecting the rear lights. That makes the car so much more beautiful!
Porsche seems to have realized that fact as well, a la 992 ;)
That’s exactly what swung it for me. I ended up with a 2019 C4 GTS.
991.1 50th Anniversary was a C2S with wide body. The ideal car for me.
Are the turbo models even wider. 8 miss the old fat ass design. Is there no way to get it? I want a 997 but I can’t afford a turbo and none of them have that big butt
50AE is awesome but the premium for it is a bit over the top
Same! That’s my favorite one
Nice to see such an honest summation. Most people couldn't help but make out what they were currently driving is the best. Bravo !!. Oh & both cars, gorgeous
The Carrera 4S is the best all round 911. Its supposed to be just like a 911 turbo, but without the turbo. I'm So glad to see you have the proper manual trans. Thanks.
I drove the 991.1 C4S @ the Porsche Experience Centre Silverstone UK three years ago and was just blown away with it. What an amazing car!
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I definitely can notice the difference in the wider body on the 4 and 4S. I believe it adds an extra level of nice aesthetics to the looks. If you also have the power package, which lowers the body, it enhances the sporty look.
Despite the weather conditions where one lives, it's really a personal choice taking into account launch control chrono, stop/start accelerating at the lights, going in/out of corners & taking the car out onto a race track. All faster & much fun.
thank you, I'm selling my Geo Metro and getting both, the C4S and the C2S
With the remaining balance you can also add 1 Bugatti to the cart!
I love my "garish" wide light-bar! I've got a 2004 C4S. It's very nice , thank you Nick.
An option to disable AWD would be wonderful and, as the torque split rear to front is already electronically controlled, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement. Of course, there are other factors that prevent it.
Always interesting to have a look at your videos...Content, form ... enjoying to watch and well provided with details....Thank you for your nice job you do on youtube on these subjects...!!
I propose a test under snowy conditions with the 911 AWD vs 911 RWD with the same snow tires ;) Standard 911s are no bad winter cars concerning the high weight in the back. You know it :) When you curve a bit too hard the RWD will reach the traction limits earlier but on a straight hill road the differences are quite small.
You’re driving on the street I used to live on! Right down the road from greenfield hill Mercado Fairfield ct, beautiful neighborhood and beautiful car! Thank you for the review!
Bless you for including the metric measurement in this video.
Living in Canada I don’t understand imperial, what’s a quart
@@danrook5757 I believe it’s when Homer Simpson squeezes Maggie into the reactor at work and she comes out miniaturiz....no wait. That’s a quark. No bloody idea, and salutations de Montréal, mon compatriot.
Living in Salt Lake, I'll definitely be getting the C4S when I get mine in a few years. I love the wide body; it looks sportier / racier. I love my Audi A6 and the traction I get with the AWD system so I'm pretty sure I'll love the 991.2 C4S and it's AWD system as well. I'll go with the PDK, though.
I think I will buy the AWD since it has been snowing a lot here. Thank you for the video Nick.
Global warming
I'm from the 🇬🇧 and a great fan of yours Nick.
I'd like also to thank Brian your friend for him allowing you to produce these great vids.
Ps I'm collecting my very first Porsche next Friday 28th
Manual 911.2 Carrera
😜
The quad exhausts look so much better in my opinion. How much more are they?
The quad exhaust is the free option, the twin exhaust known as the Porsche Sport Exhaust is $3,000
Quad exhaust is standard on the "S" models, and is $950 extra for the non-"S" models
Joel Efraimsson they are the cheap option dumbo
All i know is your concave wheels > those flat spokes on the C2.
3:04 The larger gas tank is due to the extra 4cm space robbed from the trunk by the front drive. On top of it the tank can be made larger
The larger rear body of the "4" is also less aero at high speeds, thus the lower max velocity.
The sills on the "4" minimize the disturbance in the air flow caused by the wider rear body. I guess it better channels the side flow and stops it from getting under the car at the rear (in front of the rear wheels) and generate high speed lift at the back axle.
Great info. Thanks
It was the reason why the RUF CTR was using the "narrow" body of the Carrera 3.2 and not the 930 wide turbo body.
Nick, you make it sound like the AWD is 100% safe (and boring) - whereas on slippery roads (even just rain) it can at times be pretty challenging to keep the car straight (even without driving like a complete fool). Especially because of the very wide tyres.
You all know that the 2S and the 4S are both amazing machines. I personally have my 2022 Carrera 2 S on its way. Delivery is April 15, 2022. Can't wait.
Did not realize there were so many differences between the 4 and 4S. Super informative video! Great job!
I don't watch this video to know what's all wheel drive or rear wheel drive I watch it bcz of two Porsche's and ur videos always good and some time funny keep up the good work
I have a 2013 991 C4S. It was the wider body and the light bar that put it over the top for me, lookswise. I’d also add that here in Connecticut the 4WD with the stock tires is not very good in the snow. However, with OZ 19” wheels and slightly more narrow snow tires the car is an absolute blast in the white stuff!
I concur! I live in Southern California so 4 wheel drive wasn't as important to me. If I lived in state like yours and use it as a daily driver. Then I would definitely get a four wheel.
Thank you for your video!
Great review, Ill go with the 2WD, many thanks for this excellent analysis.
Great review. I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing your what seems to me as a honest un-bias review. Great information to be able to make an informative purchase.Thank you!
Really enjoying your reviews, also extremely handy as I’m on the hunt for a 991
AWD wide body looks much better. Never noticed/knew that. Thanks for the informative video....
Entertaining as usual. Love your videos
Another great video Nick. Especially since I have been debating between 2 and 4 S models.
Excuse my language but this video was so fucking informational and I thank you for that Nick! Great video dude
Isn't torque steer what you get in front wheel drive cars - when the power going through the front wheels affects the steering inputs? Never heard it used to describe a cornering technique in a rwd car.
Same principle in a way, as too much power is applied to the rear wheels you get over steer and you can steer the car with power instead of steering input
You guys are confusing torque steer (what Craig is saying) with throttle steering (what Nick's saying.) Those are two completely different principles.
What you are referring to is power oversteer, not torque steer, which, as I said above, is the term used for FWD cars when the engine's torque interferes with the steering inputs. This is not at all the same thing as power oversteer which can, used judiciously, help a car turn into a corner.
Craig Yirush correct
I've seen people drifting their awd cars so I am thinking that it is still possible to drift the 4S but maybe harder to do. The current 4S has about 50bhp more than the 2 also so you aren't just paying for awd but better engine performance that brings the two within 0.1sec at 0-60mph.
100% you can, just takes bigger balls to get it sliding than the 2wd as the limits are so much higher.
Great Video Nick.. am about to do something similar video with the 964. I have a modified C4 which is going to be compared to a standard RS and a Modified C2.. the old C4 system was quite crappy though so am expecting the difference to the modern 991 series cars to be more apparent handling wise.
Does the 2WD have the graphite blue interior?
I had no idea there were so many aesthetic differences. Very informative, and personally, I support the 4s. I have ultimately found that one can get out of a corner a quantifiably faster with AWD on a tight and technical course in the dry, and the advantages seem exponential in wet and cold climates due to the traction advantage when introducing some over-steer. I'm also not sure I've met a car that wouldn't go sideways, but I understand that's a lot of car ($) to throw around, and frankly, its just nice to look at; Very nice to look at; Very, very nice to look at. Thanks for the video, Nick!
Really good video. Conclusions based on solid personal experience. Thanks.
The side skirts, rear wiper and the light bar really make your car looks better.
Words to live by
If you like the widebody but want 2wd, consider the GTS.
Hey Nick, thanks for such a great video. Awesome! You forgot to mention one more difference, and that is your car has four exhaust pipes while the other has only two. I agree that rear wheel drive is so much more fun in dry weather, I know, because I notice more hair on my chest after driving my CLS63 AMG. LOL!!!
are going to race it? if yes RWD. if its your daily then AWD
Hey Nick, I was wondering: what DSLR mount are you using? The suction cup mount I have is SO SHAKY that my videos from the car are COMPLETELY unwatchable! I use an a6300, so not a terribly heavy camera, and I tighten everything on the mount as HARD as I can...it's still just AWFUL!! I definitely want to try something else...what mount do you use?!
My little Audi TT will never let me get out of control in the Florida flash floods.... I agree with all of your thoughts.
My Audi A5 is all wheel drive, love drifting with it in the snow, can’t wait for the first snow day. Hello from Canada toronto
I love your videos, and I do appreciate the work that goes into them.....thank you very much.
Aside from the snow... If you live in Seattle or Vancouver? RAIN! But 4 wheel drifts in the rain and snow especially with around 300hp? That would be a blast.
Great video. I just wish Porsche would make the 911 smaller like the older ones, particularly the head lamps.
Quality video as always Nick, thanks
Nick you must be a braver man than I trying to step the rear out with all those stone walls around. Unless of course the clear bra prevents against stone wall impacts.
Can you please do a video on how to dress like a Porsche owner?
I do think this is important information the public needs to know
Neal P, I'll chime in on this one... because I actually made a Facebook post about this, kind of. People at Chevy, Ford, Toyota dealerships dress like normal working class people. At Audi, BMW, and MB people dress really nice... like saying I'm successful and buying a nice car to show it. At the Porsche dealer I see lots of men in t-shirt, shorts, and sneakers or sandles. Apparently when you're buying a "dream car" you dress like you're on vacation living the good life. ☺
Neal P ..991 c2s here in socal. I wear an old weather beaten t-shirt and old faded naturally ripped blue jeans when I take my toy out on weekend drive. no fancy porsche logo clothings. I've seen porsche drivers with porsche patches and logos all on their clothes that you can see it from all angles and dont forget the porsche hat.
Pleated khakis, Peter Millar polo shirt, Weejuns, Trump National golf cap; substitute white pleated Nike golf skorts for khakis in case of Boxster.
Very observant and there is truth to what you say and humor also imo.
Great Video and it proofs what i thought. Happy to have a RWD (Cayman)
Nice video, I often ponder the relative merits of 2wd and 4wd.
Chuck another shrimp on the barbie Bruce.
Two shrimp going on for you my friend
Is it a way to deactivate the 4 wheel drive on the front and just have the rear wheel drive by choice?
The wider hips is really nice to have!
Nick, you should REALLY do a comparo between your car and 2016+ Jaguar F Type R. I own a 2016 (AWD, obviously) and surely I am very biased, but I love the 911s and these cars compete more or less directly with each other. I know you like the V6 F Type S and trust me, the difference between that model and the R is YUUUUGE. Anyway, please consider and thanks in advance! P.S. You can use my F Type R if you are ever in San Diego (we'll have plenty of cool cars for you to review as well)
Motor Trend did a comparo with the F Type R and the 911, check out there channel to find the video.
I have, it's a good episode. But I like Nick's very hands-on, detailed approach to things. He might review it differently. Also, the Motor Trend's comparo was between RWD cars. RWD F Type Rs are not longer available (new) in the States...
997 4s is the car I want!
is there a reason why I shouldn't get it and instead buy a newer model?
Great video, Nick. Thanks for sharing.
Can’t you adjust how much torque you send to the front wheels?
Nick, I know that it's a Porsche and all (new one under warranty @ that) but, is it possible to disconnect the front drive physically or with a tune for those fun summer days or not? Thanks.. Stan from Fort Wayne, Indiana
There was a trick in older '4' models where you could engage the park brake and decouple the front drive shaft, well I have been told, never actually seen it done. These days no such luck.
Stan Chase I know people who disconnect their AWD Volvo XC driveshafts during summer so their cars are FWD.
911s have the engine in the back so turning AWD in RWD is so dumb idea that it may work but no one would or should do it in a new car full of electronics. But funny concept.
Keksi the Labrador I wouldn't consider it "dumb" but hey, to each there own...
Great comparison!! Good information on the two models.
Only the C2S has the option of the extra large 90L tank. This is a very, very nice option for high-speed touring on the German autobahn. Of course, if you only go back and forth to Starbucks like Nick does you can buy the C4S.
hi nick, i was worried when i choose my new porsche (i had one of the first models cayman s), i choose the 991.2 gts. I was worried because i like track days (i live in italy and go around monza, imola, vallelunga and mugello) and thought about something happening on old awd 911: the understeer in the exit phase of the turn. I said maybe new models don't have that problem any more...But i have chosen the nornal 911 gts...with the extra money spared i put the rear axle steering and pdk...i was worried about losing that beautiful oversteer in the turn. I'm happy to know by an awd owner the pro and cons, i think i did the best chose for me(not so much rain and snow around where i live). thk you so much for your informative videos
Thank you so much! I had the same concerns, and you have decided me!
Still think playing with your new 911 in the snow gets you a vote for the COOL hall of fame
kiwis for life
Great vid, Nick.
The wide body is a must for me. Dang
Thomas Bailey, they only stretched out the wheel arch on wide body like .75 inch on each side. I have a 991.1 c2s and looking at the car from the rear slightly kneeling to driver sitting hight its pretty wide. so subtle it's hard to tell unless comparing the two cars side by side.
John Whodat maybe the tires/wheels nick has on his car are wider in the rear?
Thomas Bailey ...4s has tire width of 305 in the rear. I have c2s and just installed 305 in the rear, came with 295.
Gorilla cut this video? Love your humour! And your detailed opinion most Porsche salesmen even dont think about.
Hi Nick, What is the difference with the traction control off? We had the 996 Turbo out on a frozen lake and it was very different with the traction control off - way more fun and would four-wheel drift beautifully! With it on it really had it's head down and was very safe and directed (and slow). Oh, the 3.2 is a hoot in the snow ;) Franny
Hi Franny, there are 3 traction control settings in these models, full nanny which lets you get a little sideways before fixing the problem for you, Limited stability system which is pretty much off but will step in if you are completely losing control, and full off. Interestingly full off will still intervene in certain circumstances when the system is sure you will die without it stepping in.
4WD is heavier, most importantly. Also, 4WD saps more power due to drivetrain loss than C2S.
KLRGT500KR, but the AWD is faster due to increased traction.
Only to 60 mph. The RWD is quicker at higher speeds.
I've heard the AWD is faster on the track too. More stable in the turns so it carries higher speeds and can put the power down sooner. I'd love the see a Motor Trend Head 2 Head of the 911 C2 and 911 C4.
Being honest, I'd never track a new 911... I don't have that kind of money to piss away if something went wrong. IF I was going for speed the new Camaro ZL1 would be on my shopping list, or even the SS 1LE.
PLAY_HRD thanks motortrend
Faster. Planted. Year-round daily driver.
nice vid mate, plz thank Brian on our behalf for submitting his car.
I love that light bar
Thanks for sharing your practical insight. This will help me in the search for my next 997.2. And the sarcastic gorilla is fun as always: )
Any comments on depreciation of C2S vs C4S? I would think the C2S would hold it's value better ten years from now.
I don't know, for the 991.1 models the C4S has held up better than the C2S because of higher demand but only time will tell.
Really like your vlogs and videos for porsche. Is there any change you can fit your road bike into a 911? What about a 28" baggage?
great advice, video exactly i was looking for, thank you sir
I do think it's better to have a C2 and run snow tires than the c4 or save the money and buy a winter beater.
So 2 is more fun but the 4 is a better year-rounder in snowy climates. What if you live in seattle where it’s just rainy in the winter?
How about Carrera vs Carrera S in a 997 manual. I'm not asking which one has more power (obviously), I just want to know if the difference justifies the price for non-track driving. Thanks.
Clear comparison, thanks !
so true. Except for the new e63s 4matic+ allows 100 percent power to rear in drift mode..
We've had horrendous rains this year in the Bay Area and I can't tell you how many times my 911 rear-end has slipped out from under me... specially since I wasn't really pushing it... I wish I had the 4S... Considering how many times I''ll push it on purpose to jut regular driving... really wish I had the 4S...
Love your videos!!! Congrats man
Is there anyway you can tell from a mechanical view between the two? I get it’ll say 4s, but I’d rather physically confirm IF that is possible.
Nick Murray, you need to a video comparing the sound in Sport Mode & Sport Plus Mode. The exhaust and intake noise from the interior... :)
For quick lap times grip is paramount. Oversteer looks cool but isn't desirable when racing
I love these little insightful videos that only porsche owners would know. Thanks for sharing and letting us live our Porsche dreams thru you! Ps how long do u plan to keep the Porsche until you upgrade and any thoughts on what you'd upgrade to?
I hope to keep it 3-4 years and upgrade to the new model 992 but likely the same configuration.
Thanks again for the great info videos Nick. Always appreciated! Any friends around with a GTS? Would love to see a comparison with your 4S.
Hey Nick,
great video! Will there be a detailed vid about C2 and your C4S engine and performance difference? Also a few words with and without Sport Chrono and manual transmission. Would be great. Take care!
I thought the S Models (C2S & C4S) got the wide body, and the non S Models (C2 & C4) got the narrower body... am I wrong??
Toyota Corrolla was for it's first half of life- rwd, so many of them 40million are rwd models.
This is an excellent point. I will tell that smart ass Gorilla.
Corilla? Gorolla?
Indeed
Arayig1982 dont leave your day job to become a comedian
There's been better ones with less success.
Nice comparison! The wide body really makes a big difference with the two cars together (to my eyes). Yours also appears to be a little bit lower as well.
I'm curios can you get the back to mimic the RWD if you shut the PSM off? I'd imagine that u could get the back to swing out and have fun.
Hi Nick, Nice video. Just the price you show for C4S is $112,00.