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[ Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne ]
Boss 03 "Matador"
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- The first boss that many people get their ass kicked by (including me on my first gameplay).
But its been so long I don't remember what he does.. luckily I didn't die this time.
Anyways the main problem with this mofo is that his buff puts him at max AGI (+4).
You need to sukunda him to +1 (not neutral 0 or debuffed or he'll use that skill to max his AGI again).
You can't use any other -nda skills or he'll just dekunda himself to remove your debuffs.
From there, you gotta hope you kill him before he rapes you with his Taunt (ATK 2x up, Def 2x down) and multi-attacks.
Yup, figured those tips from this battle.. for those who plan to play this game and wanted some tips on this boss.
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System: PS2-ENG
2nd Gameplay
Normal Rank - เกม
He says he's taken countless lives. He must mean other players' parties
But what about the first person to ever get to Matador fight? There was no other parties yet
@@FshineK huh?
@@kidrobot. what?
@@FshineK you said there were no other parties yet
what did you mean by that?
@@kidrobot. what that pers meant is the very VERY first fight matador had against someone. That pers wonders if he would still say that.... not sure if he means in the game...or against a real person.
Can't wait for the game journalists to play this.
Inb4 "The Dark Souls of JRPGs"
@@AaronWhatIFTran Even though this came long before dark souls... Oh right, journalists can't do research, which is literally their job.
@@AaronWhatIFTran The Dark Souls of Persona
They won't get pass Forneus
@@sporeian94 H O O B O Y
The dreaded words:
" *I challenge you to a duel.* "
You rang?
sukundas? you just activate my trap card! Dekunda! *pop*
sukunda doesnt trigger his dekunda its the others that do. using them is actually a viable strat, make him waste a turn using dekunda.
Leader Death = Game Over
*Yami Yugi has joined the chat*
I actually really like this boss. He teaches you how to fight the rest of the bosses in the game: Look at what they do, then go back and adjust your team to counter what they do. Each boss is a problem you have to solve.
For Matador, it's all about creating force-resistant demons and using sukukaja to match his red capote. Do that, and you've won half the battle. Luckily you can buy the Hifumi magatama, which lets you VOID force attacks (as seen in the video), in the town before you fight him (that can't be a coincidence). Also, you can fuse at least three demons at that point that can void force attacks outright: Nekomata, Nozuchi, and as seen in this video, Uzume.
Honestly, I think the reason that Matador has such an infamous reputation as a difficult boss is because he's practically designed to whoop your ass if you go in unprepared. If you use the proper solutions to the problems he presents, he's not nearly as punishing as his reputation would suggest.
His big brother Trumpeter, on the other hand... hoo boy. That guy makes Matador look downright benign.
evil melody
Why are there no good names left?
Holy Melody was the one that I hated more. Presto! The boss just healed to full! All of your efforts in the battle thus far have been completely meaningless! ^_^
Ironically, getting screwed over by Holy Melody again and again is what eventually gave me the idea of how to finally beat Trumpeter.
i always used to forget that evil melody instantly kills the highest HP character
i had a bad habit of using diarama on demi fiend to always have him healed
then I realized how evil melody actually works
Why are there no good names left?
Yeah. The way I see it, at least Evil melody hitting the Demi Fiend has the decency of ending the battle right there. Whether Evil Melody hits the Demi Fiend, or Holy Melody hits Trumpeter, the battle is basically over either way.
But I read somewhere else that said Matador is designed to punish RPG gamers who assume that Status Effect skills are useless in Boss Fight thanks to most - if not all - RPG game out there tend to do. Especially at the time leading to SMT Nocturne's release, which mean a lot of players fall for that assumption and get wiped repeatedly by Matador, earning him infamous reputation.
2:01 He's not kidding....at all.
For those who didn't know, Nocturne is actually a director's cut of Shin Megami Tensei 3 with loads of additional, optional content for difficulty. We just never got the original game in the west. The Kalpas, the Fiends, Dante, the true demon ending, all stuff that was added in. When you play the game you can really tell. I found all the base game bosses and dungeons anywhere frome easy to do-able with a little of the expected JRPG grinding, but the fiends were all bastards. Matador, being the first additional boss you encounter, is designed to be trickier and tougher than the usual lot, really screws with your confidence the first time you play.
Problem is, with how the game is set up with these new things, Matador is NOT optional.
My worst nightmare was white rider and how he forces you to battle him where ever you go. I lost to him so I decided to do a fuse/grind session. When I wanted to save this SOB forced me into battle making me lose all my progress :p.
Matador is a wake-up call.
Mujtaba Ellari
there was also a third version released in Japan called Maniax Chronicle that takes out Dante and replaces him with Demon Summoner star Raidou Kuzunoha. Oh and they released a PS2 memory card with the markings of Demi-fiend.
"I challenge you to a duel"
4v1 lol thats not a duel
Then it is an even fight.
Filtering casuals since 2003.
Still goin'.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs Thank you for teaching me how to get good.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs Today I beated matador at level 15. After 7 tries. I only used one bead chane. That was really satisfying.
So how the hell are you supposed to get media in this game? I've looked around but couldn't find anything.
@@MrSwaggington inugami
Still pwning newbs to this day. I clean my sword with their tears.
Thank you for beating my ass. Now I will make my friend.
Oops, I spilled my three Sukundas all over you!
@@HYDEinallcaps and then he casts Dekunda...
@@abidalmohimenrashed4524 oops, spilled the three sukundas again
@@FshineK heh good job :)
"Andalucia"
That's like naming an attack "Nuu York"
Just like in My Hero Academia, where All Might names his techniques after states in United States: Detroid Smash, Oklahoma Smash and even United States of Smash
I don't get it
@@GiordanDiodato I believe it's a name of district in Spain, or something along these lines.
The original skill name is "Bloody Andalucía"
@@Dukstless it is like a state in Spain
As much as he is essential to the Nocturne Experience(TM), one must wonder why Hitoshura didn't just toss the candelabrum to him and say "okay, fine, here, I don't even know what a True Demon Ending is, leave me alone."
This for me is one of the best games I've ever played. The atmosphere, music, and difficulty make you feel hopelessly stranded. Add to that the vast amount of mythology in this game and you are left with such a Masterpiece!
Indeed.
"We get off on your tears"-Atlas
People are talking about seeing this fight in HD, yet I'm looking forward to finally getting a voice for his pre-fight monologue.
I have high expectations for that.
I really hope they get Vinesauce Joel to voice Daisoujou in the English dub.
I'm hoping they get a real hispanic voice actor.
Well, we got Keith Silverstein instead, but I ain't complaining!
@@yaboi2500 we got that with hell biker, are you happy??
My team had 4 null: force, I called my strategy "Get cuck'd Matador"
He’s got Focus, Taunt, and Andalucia. He can still do tremendous damage to your party without Force.
All the people reviewing or streaming the remaster are going to hit a wall here LOL.
Yep...the younger brats...
not unless they play on merciful :P
@@GiordanDiodato Can confirm: Tried Merciful myself just for the Matador.
Yeah, I'm going back to normal. In fact, I am restarting. My playthrough is tainted by that shit.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs
I tried using merciful for a battle or two to see the comparison to how it is in the amala labyrinth first kalpa since I just arrived recently.
What took me a few turns to kill a group of enemies and needing to use mp for skills. I could just punch and kill everything in one or two turns without needing any magic And then the amount of exp plus macca. I couldn't believe atlus actually made a difficulty like that.
@@zomboids2100 reminds me that I lowered the difficulty to Merciful to go through the first time in Amala Network, because playing there on hard is almost impossible.
I grinded 10 LEVELS to beat this guy. My Demifiend had War Cry, Media, Fog Breath. I had 3 party members immune to Force. My Hero was Level 25..
Fuck this boss
+Setsuna F. Seiei This. All of this.
No offense, but why would you admit to something this embarrassing on the internet?
It isn't embarrassing...it's necessary x.x
It isn't necessary to grind at all. Good skills outweigh levelling advantage. Just fuse good demons with nice buffs and debuffs, put on the magatama with force resistance and this boss is a cakewalk.
Yea this guy probably made alot of people rage quit this game, but it was necessary to show you this game wasn't messing around.
Coming back to fight in New Game Plus and just annihilating him in 2 turns is so satisfying after the hell he gave you on play-through 1!
Man, you got really lucky he didn't use focus before Andalucia. When I beat him I only had the MC and one demon left.
same, i just beat him right now
I got lucky enough to where he only used Andalucia one time and just kept trying to remove the debuffs after that
Matador = Killer in Portuguese/Spanish
Matador is actually a term used in bull-fighting (hence his attire and dialogues) for the main bullfighter who kills the bull
@@M4x_P0w3r both are right
William Saffier Geesdorf and he sure does live up to his name.
Actually, at least in brasil, the word Matador is very rare. The world assassino is the most normal one. No one says: vamos prender o matador. Lets arrest the killer.
@@oiopquatro4846 seeing that he has an attack called Andalucia, probably it refers to the spanish word
Many years have passed and still this dude is one of my favorite JRPG bosses of all time (I think you can tell lol). Despite he is a pretty minor character, he manages to leave a mark with his badass introduction and the hard, but ultimately satisfying challenge of a battle he delivers.
this guy is this game's way of saying welcome to SMT ville leave ur dignity at the door
The music leading up to the fight is fantastic. I love this game.
BUENOS DIAS FUCKBOY
Back here agaim after Nocturne HD
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
3:37 - JUST
The music during the pre-fight talk with Matador reminds me of Dark Cloud.
Madgizmo ik
JACK FROST FOR THE WIN!!!
You still have High Pixie, right?
WHOA DAMN!!!
And Jack Frost delivers the kill blow!! Both he and Lilim level up!
From the looks of it, as long as you keep his stats down and pay attention to your health, the Matador isn't all that difficult. However, he ain't a cakewalk either...
You receive a second candelambra...and the mysterious Lady contacts you, asking you to bring your prize to her, and something about other candelambra holders attracting each other...and a labyrinth...
“Buenos dias, fuckboy.”
GET THE BUFFS
Matador: I’ve put an end to countless lives.
You can say that again!
Here we go again...
I just got to this guy today, spent all day leveling up and fusing creatures to beat him, but I eventually got the job done. I had Uzume, Archangel, and Flaemis, all around level 20 (I overleveled a bit, not really a bad idea in an SMT game :P).
He really is an eye-opening boss as to what the game is going to throw at you. I'm glad I didn't cave and use a guide, definitely adds to the experience, even if get your ass handed to you pretty often.
I'm not a big RPG guy, but I really love this game.
And Jack Frost delivers the final blow!
HEE HO PUNCH! ^^
tfw you actually live in Andalucia
Man, to think that he originally wasn't in the this game.
The matador just loves the sound of the word. CANDELABRUM. CANDELABRA. He just likes to repeat it over and over again.
5:52 JAJAJAJAJA this bastard actually has an attack called Andalucia. I love it.
Fun fact: this attack was called "Bloody Andalucia" in the JP ver.
@@elinfini Damn, that sounds way cooler.
_¡Maldito matador!_ Giving us a hard time and _then_ some!
beat it at 2nd try (normal ofc) today, really panicked when he starts spamming Andalucia. Nocturne is my 2nd smt game after persona 4. it's really a great game, looking forward to fighting mot.
Same, i played all the persona games and this is my first SMT and i think its really good, a little hard tho..but its ok
Agent S.A.L.T reporting!
recently started playing this game heard about this guy and was kind of surprised i beat him on my first go granted i did play persona 4 before this but this was my first true smt game
I played persona 3 and then this game, first smt game truly as well. I needed 4 tries though. 3 deaths...
I’ve been in the middle of play persona 5 royal and I’m currently at okumuras palace, but I decided to get smt nocturne for a Christmas gift lol. I didn’t start playing until very recently, I’m about an hour in, and I’d say I like it. The kagatsuchi moon phase shit is kinda stupid though imo.
Started hard mode recently.
This'll be fun.
Before the HD remake came out i was fully expecting that the guy who voiced Skeletor in He-Man would voice Matador as well
THIS FUCKING GUY. *memories comes flooding back*
The howl when matador gets totally owned by jack frost really changed how I see this boss
I really really need the music that plays during the conversation that you have with the matador.
I got lucky and beat him my first try on hard. And then my PC crashed and I didn't have a backup. RIP. One day I'll get back to this game. Even though I didn't beat it loved the aesthetic and atmosphere, and it actually had an original story and good strategizing.
I hope when we get Nocturne HD, they have a real hispanic voice actor.
We can all agree that this nigga here was a wake call boss for all of us 😂😂😂
Even with all the sukundas, he didn't miss ONCE, but the party missed quite a lot.
He has good default agility
No one:
A random Pokemon trainer: 1:53
No Sukukaja? Damn, you must love a challenge...
Question: When Matador casts Red Capote (agility +4) and the party casts Sukunda (agility -1) and then the Matador casts Dekunda, does his agility stay at +3 or does it go back to +4?
Also, what does "-nda" stand for?
It goes back to +4. And I have no idea what any of the SMT words mean (agi, bufu etc) - IIRC, they come from latin or some other ancient language
Alex Samsara Thanks :)
And I was able to find out what "-nda" means. Apparently it just refers to the last three letters of "Sukunda"
Alex Samsara Its not Latin, but you are right that its from ancient languages. Several of them are derived from Sanskrit and/or Hindu mythology.
***** More generally, -nda refers to ANY of the debuffing line of spells (Tarunda, Rakunda, Sukunda) that reduce attack, defense, or agility respectively.
When Matador casts Dekunda, he removes any and all attack, defense, and agility penalties that you've placed on him.
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@@peterjumper881 Only if he's negative. Dekunda/Dekaja doesnt work if the stat is positive or already neutral (since that's what they do)
music is so good
Apparently I cheesed the Magatsuhi out of him by ingesting Hifumi and bringing a demon who’s weak to force. Matador kept casting Mazan through entire fight
True. Since there is a demon weak to Force, Matador has incentive to spam Mazan, even if it means hitting a null and giving away his turn for free
People before 2020: 2020 is going to be a good year
2020: 1:52
And since he uses Dekaja/kunda frequently, keeping a debuff on him while buffing yourself is good since he'll only spend one turn doing any damage. A good setup for this fight is one healer, a buffer, a debuffer, and some damage. It's slow, but it works somewhat well.
I swear, by my sword and capote, that I will once again prove victorious!!
TRIGGERED
really nice boss music :)
" Charge me with all your Might, your horns can not pierce my soul" - Matador The Spainish Grim Reaper
Eh, I thought DDS was supposed to be easier than Nocturne? Which one should I choose first as a friendly introduction to the press turn battle system?
I'm also having some trouble with this guy... Can someone tell me how or where can i get uzume? The others i'll just level up...
which is why Matador in this game is of the "Fiend" class of demons. he's an embodiment of animal cruelty.
This is the equivalent of weed out courses in college.
Is 18 considered overleveled for this fight? I completely wrecked him at Level 18, helped by the fact that only one party member was actually damaged by Force.
For reference, my party was Uzume, Fomor, and Nozuchi, and I was using the Hifumi magatama.
I did the same thing as you except I didn't had Formor and I think I was around the same level if not lower (I think I was 16 actually) and I also wrecked him good time.I don't think it's the level but the Magatama and your demon team that made this fight easier.Nozuchi is simply that good for Matador and Uzume is a great healer to get early game.Also the Fiend battles aren't really the hardest fights in the game though there are some exceptions I dunno I only got the game 2 weeks ago and I'm not even mid-game yet or at least I don't believe so.
I'm playing on hard difficulty, I think I was lv 20 on my first fight with him and he killed me, but I become so upset that I crossed the rainbow bridge and leveled up to lv 29, and my party was Arahabaki,Taraka,Koppa.
And then I only did this on the duel:Focus+Lunge+1108 DMG= 1 hit kill... wtf lol
he took me two tries tbh. maybe i was just lucky but he never gave me a hard time
So, this is what inspired Toby Fox in creating Sans for Undertale game?
heho funny skeleton dodge attack
All things considered, Toby definitely could’ve had *some* influence from SMT.
What is your pfp
1) Because of his Red Capote skill, without Sukunda/Fog Breath, he'll kill you easily.
2) Taunt+Andalucia= Death if your not careful.
3) On norrmal mode, if your party is not at full health, 2 Andalucias in one turn can kill your party. It will DEFINETLY kill your party on hard mode unless you use Tarunda/War Cry on him.
the perfect boss to gatekeep jrpg fans by their credibility as fans
I return to pwn newbs..
IN HD!
Oh man, this guy. He slaughtered all of my demons and had me at critical health. I thought I was going to die for sure... and then I beat him with one final desperate Lunge. Something like 21 HP left, all my regular party down for the count. Most awesome feeling ever.
I can't believe I beat him on my first try.. I was very low on MP with all my demons, I guess it was novice luck..
2:32 nice
Bruh
I managed to beat him with no void force and uzume, had to use 2 bead chains and only MC and Jack Frost are barely alive. This fight should be set as the standard of challenging bosses early game.
It's so odd seeing a Persona I liked so much be an enemy in this game. Then again, if that's the case, then I'm going to really hate a later boss fight
I have really fond memories of this boss. Wrecked my party once or twice before I killed him at lvl 19 (best feeling ever!). Still, if you are unfortunate enough to get hit by a focused Andalusia....that really hurts. Btw, heard rumors that you can obtain him as a fusion, any truth on that?
Yes! You can fuse any fiend
+capkovodna did it at 14 lol
Hasan Boody Good for you I suppose...
Whats the name of the ost before the fight?
Sadly I never got past this part because my PS2 broke and scratched up my disk. :(
Oh, once you defeat most bosses in Nocturne, you get the option to fuse them. With the Fiends like Matador, Daisoujou and so on, you need a special item from the Labyrinth of Amala. Trust me, the Labyrinth might be hard, but the loot and XP is way better than a lot of spots. If you hit level 30, and get this item, called the Deathstone, you can fuse Matador. He's incredibly useful for a good chunk of the game!
Looking at the comments to this date, I realize A LOT of people don't know how Dekunda/Dekaja work at all...
at first this guy really was a nightmare, but then i found a more effective way to beat him, just grind until you have the chance to recruit a chatterskull and level it up until he learns dekaja, you dekaja his ass so he will use red capote whenever is his turn, and he will use the other one to attack or focus.
You might be right. In Nocturne I go by the rule that almost all bosses in this game have Dekaja and Dekunda. So yeah, buffs for the win if you've got em.
I've never even played a smt game and this guy scares me.
thelazyworker sandwich I just got to him and got halfway through when he says a quote then lost. I’m shook
SMT has bosses that makes even superbosses from Final Fantasy whimper.
Face the main hero in this game in Digital.... th-cam.com/video/4ubCA8oo8pE/w-d-xo.html
Or just spare yourself the torment and watch the video!
Geo: not since Yiazmat...... Imagine Trumpeter with instead of 15 _thousand_ hp he has 15 *_million_* hp.... but still access to holy melody.
It is unequivocally _the least fun fight in rpg history_
Take him down to 500000...... and then he decides to full heal.... fml
You will literally cry at the sheer unfairness.
And then.... There's pandemonium warden www.wired.com/2008/08/pandemonium-war/
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ffxi/images/5/59/PandemoniumWarden.PNG finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pandemonium_Warden
rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html what makes this guy such a massive PITA is in between each form, he respawns these annoying fucking super high evade lamps....which _must_ be killed to damage him. So while each form has only about 100k hp, it technically has over 2 million, cumulative to the 8 lamps + all the misses. And he's got 26 forms. So his inherent cheapness turns a 2.6m hp fight into a 50+ million hp fight. And that's _if_ everyone involved realises they need to hit those stupid floaty lamps first. Woe to the first 6 pre-nerf guilds that went at him.
Retaliate saved me in this fight and the one with Thor. Just got lucky and only had the demi fiend survive both fights. Still first try though.
I assume everybody first playthrough is on normal difficulty, honestly, this fight is a little bit of a let down which is a good thing cos it makes things easier for me. I got all scared cos people keep saying matador is hard af. So I tried him, got owned at first, grind a lil and fused uzume and nozhuchi both with dark might. And brought high pixie to fight too. First turn I just tried to hit and missed as you could expect, used pixie to debuff his defense, and hit with uzume and nozhuchi to get a critickal, uzume did but nozhuchi missed. After a couple of mazan pixie died so I summoned preta so he could buff our agility. Then after that keep trying to hit matador with uzume and nozhuchi to get a critickal. After that preta got killed but uzume and nozhuchi both got a critickal again and then..matador is done, he didn't even get to use his andalusia or whatever its called, the fight only lasted 3 minute,so imma finish the game and play back on hard mode later
couldn't help but say falcon punch when jack landed the final hit lol
Only thing you can do is reduce HIS Agility a little and MAX yours. Because he has access to TAUNT AND a MULTI hit skill this early in the game, you got to fight fire with fire. In this case Speed with Speed. At that point of the game I think only 1 demon can learn Sukukaja.
Dante on the other hand is a nightmare... Taunt+Rebellion = rape....
My first time with Matador was a piece of cake...
Dante riped me so many new holes...
Name of the song that plays during the intro?
Search it has Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne talk
Yeah this guy is really hard. LL's strategy is good though. Once Matador starts taunting its still better to go with physicals since you still get the nice buff. Wind protection is a must as well. It can get pretty dicey with his physicals and Focus + Andalucia combo.
Mr Git Gud still at it
Red Capote intensifies
*smirks*
On hard he kills u with just 2 mazans ): sometimes in teh first 2 turns lel
Persona Normal difficulty casuls...meet your doom.
YEEEEES I beat him thx soooooo much
Just killed him defiantly one tuff boss for such a early fight..
Me too, definitely beats all my other video games