Can you beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne without buffs? Yes. Should you? Lemme answer that question with another question, How much do you hate yourself?
@@GinraiPrime666 Also lets face it there's undoubtedly some copyright issues involved with this whole thing since yeah Dante is owned by Capcom. But hey maybe if more people see Raidou maybe Atlus will be inspired to re-release the two Raidou games.
@@OnDavidsBrain I wouldn't be too surprised if they're already planning to remaster the other MegaTen PS2 titles at this rate. It'll definitely be awesome if they do!
Alternative title: "How many times can you die in Nocturne" Seriously though you are both crazy and awesome. I have nothing but respect for you trying to do this.
This sounds miserable to do, and i haven’t even played the game before. Edit (October 2021): Back in July/August of this year, I played and finished the HD remaster of Nocturne on hard mode, and got the true demon ending. It’s not my favourite SMT game, but it’s definitely in my top 5.
The game is not hard, I just died by rng by like.....25 times. But seriously on normal it not too hard. After matador and use buffs and debuffs, your mostly good expect the true final boss and beelzebub if don’t have the magatma that null dark(which can be hard to find).
I had a friend who decided that "buffs suck" so never used a -kaja or -undas.... He thought that the Fates and the Assembly of Nihilo were the final boss and area. He was severely over leveled.
In strange journey redux I was overleveled for the Mem aleph fight in New chaos because of shiva. I get to the new final boss and despite having high level demons, I would of died if I didn't spam antichthon and buff myself.
@@ilovetweek000 persona 3 Was my introduction to the franchise so i was completely ignorant about how i should play it. Basically did one fusion at the beginning and the resulting demon was pretty crap so i ignored the whole mechanic for the game.
Just a little notice, in hard mode you can't escape battles. In the tutorial area there should be a ghost that evaluates you for the difficulty you choose and when hard mode is selected he points that you choose the path of burden and that you won't be able to escape any battle
Speaking of Alice, I always found it weird she wasn't in this game, even SMT NINE which came out earlier than this game had a larger amount of demons, didn't even bother to put Mara in his full form in here.
Someone correct me but I believe this challenge is actually impossible on any higher difficulty because the endgame bosses do more damage than your max hp, so rakukaja is mandatory if you're not praying to dodge.
It's only hard because of RNG moments. And the occasional poor matchup/team setup and magic attacks kinda being ass which most people wouldn't know. They're still useful, just not the best for pure damage
There's no point in telling you this since you already beat the fights, but just to make life easier for everyone reading the comments looking to play this game: The Dominions and Powers for the White and Red Rider fights can be Stone Gazed making the fights infinitely easier. The Riders won't use Dragon Eye because they're still on the field but now the fiends have no one to support them. Focus all your attacks on the fiends then one shot the minions because they shatter.
I don't think you actually NEED to keep that 1st Pixie with you. You only need to keep any demons that you get after fusing her with another demon. As long as you have the demons that had that Pixie as an 'ancestor' of sorts, then you'd still get that 'thing' near the end.
There's almost never any reason to delete demons from your roster anyways unless you recruited useless ones but can't get to a Cathedral of Shadows to fuse them up, and badly want to recruit something new in your current area.
I always love that this is a thing though as it was one of the few games that rewarded a certain thing I always do. Which is never ever remove the first Ally/monster/whatever I get in any of these games. So that it rewarded me for keeping my original partner, who wasn't a Pixie anymore but I always made sure to keep track of what her current form was is great
He apparently is some kinda hyper masochist. This is the psychological equivalent of CBT, but you weren’t given a safe word. This is the spiritual equivalent of drinking acid and setting yourself on fire simultaneously. This is the very definition of insanity.
also what always got me through the riders when i fought them was the skill arid needle, it petrifies their summons and then i can focus on the riders instead.
Y’know I only realized this just now but it’s kind of hilarious that the Solo/Hard/TDE challenge is so well-known by now that it’s got a bunch of dedicated videos and it’s own guide on GameFAQs but beating the game with a full party and no buffs is so unthinkable that this is one of the first times it’s really come up
No, Nyarly, the Virtues are vulnerable to ailments. You'd have had infinitely more luck trying to stone them since they're weak to Death. Works great with the Powers too
Your nocturne early game improves greatly if you start out doing a magic Demi-Fiend and then pretend that you never invested in magic at all the second Focus/Divine Shot becomes available. (never go past 10 magic)
I actually went for the physical build immediately and I was fine. You might have low level skills, but the build itself carries it until you get the better ones. And then it just kills everything.
dont worry, Nocturne is kind, you cant escape battles on Hard so the option is completely grayed out and unavailable, you cant even try. Unlike say Digital Devil Saga 2, where escape chance is low but escape isnt grayed out, so you can forfeit all your turns to try and escape, and if you fail to escape, you just gave the enemy 1 full round to punch the shit out of you
Matadors's is weird, but Pulinpa's is just wrong. He's saying Lupina or something like that, but honestly, who cares. The content is still very much enjoyable
@@Shiratto Guess that makes sense. Now that he’s DLC, it’d suck to pay for the worse character. Though, it’s funny: I should like Dante more, since I’ve actually played DMC but I haven’t played Devil Summoner. Yet somehow I think Raidou is cool regardless, enough for me to be perfectly fine taking him over Dante.
@@isenokami7810 As someone who grew up around both Megaten’s PS2 era and DMC (primarily played DMC till I got older) I can totally see the appeal of both. For me I really wanted to complete the experience I had with the ps2 version and Dante since I was late playthrough when the remaster got announced and I also wanted to hear his voice acting.
that's actually very easy if you farm some demons through talk, use them as fodder for stronger demons with the right skills and buff your way to the end with zero extra xp as some demons come with high levels and stats by default or do you mean a run with ONLY 'talk' demons where fusion is not permitted?
"You're like a toddler in a wheelchair trying to take on the New England Patriots." It's entirely possible that that line ages poorly in the post-Brady era.
Worst thing about MegaTen: Aliment Moves missing when the enemy is immune to them. Since honestly, unless you're so jaded that you figure Aliments will never work or you just give up, chances are that someone will attempt to inflict the status a number of times to no results. Seriously, just have it say "Blocked" or something to that effect instead of giving a false hope that it might work
Not a MegaTen game but Digimon Cyber Sleuth does that. Feels weird when I switch between Cyber Sleuth/Hackers Memory and MegaTen games as I get used to how Digimon handles it.
There's literally a resistance called Void/Null (along with Repel and Drain), and you can have Ailments as a whole Nulled with a certain Magatama. There's no reason why it can't just say "Null" if you use an Ailment on an Ailment-Immune enemy. The only excuse I can think of is that Ailment isn't an attack type, rather something typically tied to Curse, Mind, and Nerve attacks (a good amount of which don't do damage and are JUST ailment moves).
@@espurrseyes42 I have no clue if this is true but if I had to guess the game runs rolls the die for if the ailment hits before checking immunities, resulting in all the misses that should just be null, then if you hit you get the immune damage result. This has upset me as well because it has killed me in boss fights before.
I did a no buff/debuff run a few weeks ago, it was pretty fun (it's on my channel if you're curious). I'm a bit confused on some of your strategies (for example, why not use Iyomante magatama for Daisoujou and Mizuchi?), but its cool to see some of the route differences. I didn't bother with TDE since Lucy will require way too much luck grinding; I wish you luck with that.
8:50 Haven't finished the video but um. Just wanted to say on hard mode you have a 0% chance of escaping without items hence why you could never run away
A few weeks ago when I saw this, I got the courage to give the game another try after I decided to put it down out of difficulty. I stopped playing at Matador, but watching you suffer without using buffs helped me realize that I should be able to beat the game with buffs. Currently, I’ve made it just past the fairy part and I hope I can finish the game. Good luck in part 2!
Raidou would have made slightly more sense as a boss than some random dude who likes pizza. I think you meant Kawamommy* If you don't have Pixie in your party at all times, you deserve whatever comes to you.
How tho when the guy was living in the past? Haven't you played any Devil Summoner game? And Even though I haven't played the 1st game, the 2nd title looks better aka Raidou Kuzunoha vs Soulless Army, or Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon, the king Abaddon version is a sequel to the previous one, and currently am playing the soulless army version, an Action Shin Megami Tensei Title, the game is just amazing 10+ hours in and I can tell already why would atlus favor him instead of any other smt protagonist.
abidalmohimen Rashed Dante isn’t even from the same universe. Also in SMT3 Chronicles Raidou has an ending cutscene where he returns to his world and types about the events in the Vortex World. Something they never did for Dante.
@@calebgoodman2076 Considering it’s DMC 2 Dante one can assume he got into some portal shenanigans during his journey through hell at the end and got out the same way he got out in his own series.
Hi nyarly, as someone who beats hardtype (the even harder, modded version of nocturne) I suggest you try and grind more. Max health is very important in hard difficulty, and also you should try and fuse life bonus and things like that, as well as life drain and elemental resistances. You can find life drain with Incubus and Succubus. You might think Daisoujou with meditation will do, but actually you can use life drain on others to give you more opportunities to deal damage. Only two demons were hit? Well, let them use life drain for chip damage and heal themselves, and Daisoujou can just hit enemy too since he doesn't need to spend the turn to heal. Elemental resistances in general, even if its only "Res" and not null or repel, is still excellent because reduced damage means more breathing room. And since you're in the fourth kalpa already, I think its also possible to fuse some null elements too. (Also, I think kikuri-hime has anti-ailment as one of her skills? Maybe you can do a fusion chain to let others learn it.
As steep as the difficulty curve is for Nocturne, I did find myself enjoying the heavy focus on buffs and debuffs as well as how a turn can be reused if a critical hit is made or weakness is attacked.
AKA: how my dumb kid self tried playing before giving up because I thought the game broken. not poorly balanced, mind you, literally broken. I thought a light scratch on the disc was why it was so hard. edit: I think you mispronounced Louis Cyph- oh I get it!
I have a Mega Man X PlayStation game disc that has a scratch and one of the bosses literally skips as he loads in and breaks the game... Damn you Kaneko!
@@artofthepossible7329 Some of the old dragon quests become much easier if the console is physically hot, so a scratch screwing with a game's numbers isn't unthinkable
@Mikhiel Rearaxin Dragon Quest buffs are pretty good. It is just the games are generally built to be easy so people will just grind levels instead of using buffs at lower levels.
Fire emblem games have good buffs, at least 6 and 7 do, as far as I know, small boosts to stats make a big difference in those games, and they can last awhile depending on the buff (dancer buffs are 1 turn but holy water res buff lasts awhile, weakens over time) either way, each combat REALLY matters in fe6/7 (at least on the harder difficulties ) and buffs help a ton, especially in an Ironman
40:21 I laughed so hard Your way of communicating everything in the video is so entertaining, will definitely check more from you Thank you for trying this, keep rejecting gods
8:52 If I recall correctly, the only way you can escape battles on Hard Mode is to have a party member who who has an escape battle skill. One of the earliest instances I can remember where you can get one is from a shady broker in the 1st Amala Level, who sells a fusion fodder Picasa with many exploration related skills.
Just got nocturne the other day and have been an absolute blast playing through it. Love how the game doesn't hold your hand at all, it's wonderful. However, to keep myself as blind as possible, I won't be able to watch this series until I'm done with my first playthrough. Can't wait to come back and watch your descent into madness with this challenge!
Raidou it's actually more of an improved version of Dante instead of a character that pretty much has the same moveset as Dante with a different animation. The movesets are sure similar but there is subtle differences that makes the character a lot better like Raidou's Raidou the Aeon, Passive skill that Multiplies equipper's all damage dealt by 1.5 and all physical/ phys-almighty attacks bypass target's most resistances except for repel. Outright a superior version of Son's Oath that has Physical Pierce basically making Raidou actually useful for endgame bosses including Lucifer. Weird how the Shin Megami Tensei Wiki translated his moveset yet I it was translated before someone actually translated the final version of Nocturne?
Let me say, I’ve seen all four of these videos through at least 4 times and I’ve even beaten nocturne twice myself, but these never fail to entertain me, Great videos as always Nyarly
@@markkoehr5003 so, I've only played Nocturne for a couple hours years ago and wanna try it again after I finished Digital Devil Saga. Question: Magic or Physical build?
Mark Us Nier CHS I am by no means an expert on the game, so if other have better ideas listen to them. However I believe the common consensus is to start out with a magic build and then move into a physical build later in the game. The demifiend has access to a lot of really good magic attacks early on, for example tornado. But a lot of the more powerful attacks of the game come later and are physical (Gaea’s Rage, Friekugel, etc). It is probably a good idea to give the demifiend one magic attack since a few of the later enemies are immune to physical and some even repel physicals. A physical build is generally better for late game since physical attacks can score criticals and they benefit from focus and pierce(an ability that causes physical attacks to ignore resistances except repel but you have to complete the labyrinth of Amala to get it.) The most important thing to keep in mind if you are planning this is to keep focus. You get it early on but if you forget any moves you can’t relearn them.
Masochism is gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
The story you convey in the video is so good (overall ones) that it makes me think why I battle through the areas. Also after getting divine shot, the game became more enjoyable
Haven't seen anyone correcting his statement on keeping the first pixie forever. Anyway, you don't actually need to keep the 1st pixie as is, you can safely fuse her into something else to reap the benefit later near the end of the game. Don't remember exactly what the restrictions are(google it yourself i'm lazy) but it's safe to fuse your first pixie
I just got finished with my first true demon ending run of nocturne and I wanted to thank you for introducing me to this amazing series. Dante being in nocturne made me interested in smt in the first place, but you made me appreciate this series far more than I ever imagined. Now excuse me while I go rewatch the smt5 trailer for the tenth time
I never played this game but your enterteining voice, enterteining commentary, and very detailed explanation of your strategies and your turns makes this an EXTREMELY enjoyable video. Amazing job!
Coming back to this run yet again, always a fun watch. Not to mention that watching you play Nocturne makes me want to play through it; thinking about you in general makes me want to play Nocturne, actually. A sign that this is some great stuff. Side note, thanks to this challenge run, I decided to go for a physical Demi-Fiend build when I played Nocturne myself. Excellent decision, easily made Demi-Fiend the destroyer of all he’s meant to be.
I know this video is old but i decided to check if what you said at about 31:14 about the Virtues and turns out they aren't immune according to the wiki at least also doing Nocturne/Lucfier's Call with no buffs? that is one CRAZY challenge
Missing an attack in any RPG: "Oh well I hope it hits next time"
Missing an attack in SMT: "Guess I'll die🤷♂️"
yeah.
As me and yu can confirm if you miss once your ass is gonna get got
That's the case even when you hit your attacks
You’re playing nocturne how all of us played Pokémon as kids. No buffs or debuffs, only attac
That’s such a specific thing and it’s dead on holy crap
Be a Stereotypical anime protagonist... it’s a battle of wills the loser is only the person who doesn’t have a stronger will
Kuwabara mode
My god that is so true
So thats basically how i play Persona 3
Can you beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne without buffs? Yes. Should you? Lemme answer that question with another question, How much do you hate yourself?
I mean, I kind of hate myself.
Chimble, Master of Chimney Not enough self hate to do this
abidalmohimen Rashed oof goodluck with that dude
@@eldrasgames5008 Thanks :)
abidalmohimen Rashed That's crazy and I like it, good luck man.
Nyarly: We never got Raidou in the west for some reason.
Atlus 3 months later: dang you right lemme fix that
Yep and its GLORIOUS!
R.I.P Dante though
@@paperluigi6132 Raidou makes more sense to be fair and having access to Pierce whereas Dante doesn't does make him more useful in this game.
@@GinraiPrime666 Also lets face it there's undoubtedly some copyright issues involved with this whole thing since yeah Dante is owned by Capcom. But hey maybe if more people see Raidou maybe Atlus will be inspired to re-release the two Raidou games.
@@OnDavidsBrain I wouldn't be too surprised if they're already planning to remaster the other MegaTen PS2 titles at this rate. It'll definitely be awesome if they do!
"Have I ever told you the definition...of insanity?"
Insanity is doing the same fucking thing over and over again and expecting different results.
@@chainsawplayin I don't know man. This video could also fit in the definition of insanity quite easily
GabrielMaster721 Vaas wouldnt make it through this game
@@chainsawplayin That's not the definition of insanity, man. Vaas is an idiot that sounds smart.
@@CKarasu13 In context of this video and Far Cry 3, it fits perfectly.
"We get a call from Lucifer"
Don't you just love the weird things video games make you say?
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@@artofthepossible7329 Thank you, that was a pleasure to watch.
Lucifer's Call
@@arumaru3433 zoinks that was good
@@artofthepossible7329 I am never going near that game.... ever!
Thanks for the warning.
"Nyarly does the psychological equivalent of cbt part 1"
So cognitive behavioral therapy
You officially win the comment section
@@jojomicheldu59 for some people
@@jojomicheldu59 not everyone is a masochist
nyarly: m@s0chism is fun :D
Alternative title:
"How many times can you die in Nocturne"
Seriously though you are both crazy and awesome. I have nothing but respect for you trying to do this.
See! Quarantine isn't too bad after all!
Me: **looks at title**
Also me: Yes
Wow thats the longest tittle i have seen.
This sounds miserable to do, and i haven’t even played the game before.
Edit (October 2021): Back in July/August of this year, I played and finished the HD remaster of Nocturne on hard mode, and got the true demon ending. It’s not my favourite SMT game, but it’s definitely in my top 5.
Miserable is an understatement
Thats what i was thinking
playing thorugh it for the first time right now on normal mode and I'm already struggling. Dont know how he does it
The game is not hard, I just died by rng by like.....25 times.
But seriously on normal it not too hard. After matador and use buffs and debuffs, your mostly good expect the true final boss and beelzebub if don’t have the magatma that null dark(which can be hard to find).
I can think of something worse, doing a mixed build where you're str and magic can't be more than 1 apart
I had a friend who decided that "buffs suck" so never used a -kaja or -undas....
He thought that the Fates and the Assembly of Nihilo were the final boss and area.
He was severely over leveled.
In strange journey redux I was overleveled for the Mem aleph fight in New chaos because of shiva. I get to the new final boss and despite having high level demons, I would of died if I didn't spam antichthon and buff myself.
did the same in persona 3 and devil survivor
@@ilovetweek000 persona 3 Was my introduction to the franchise so i was completely ignorant about how i should play it. Basically did one fusion at the beginning and the resulting demon was pretty crap so i ignored the whole mechanic for the game.
once, i got over level on one map, so i set the battle to auto. . and low lv mob kill me with mudo. . .that was on strange journey NDS i think
@@brotbrotsen1100 so you did a no fuse run?
Just a little notice, in hard mode you can't escape battles. In the tutorial area there should be a ghost that evaluates you for the difficulty you choose and when hard mode is selected he points that you choose the path of burden and that you won't be able to escape any battle
Yeah, you could only escape with the smoke bomb and a skill. I spammed the fuck out of the skill with pisacaa at the last dungeon.
@@tanten191 trafuri?
@@AntediluvianGirl ah yes! Forgot what it's called
you can also escape if all demons are paralyzed/stunned or any status that prevents action
@@tanten191 on a hardtype patch that skill is no more. Only smoke bombs.
Not buffing and debuffing in P3,P4 and P5:
"Meh"
Not buffing and debuffing in Nocturne:
"I made a terrible misstake."
It’s a bit annoying without buffs and Debuffs in persona 3 but it is more then manageable
I was fine with a mostly attack only build on all my party members in P4G until the true final boss
I use buffs in p3 and p5 but yeah they’re not necessary
@@bruis1527 except for the twins, and especially for the cancer lavenza boss fight.
@@insertnamehere658 those aren’t mandatory tho
Nyarly: *Doesn’t use buffs*
Literally every enemy: *DIE FOR ME*
Alezarde me running through palaces with victory cry alice on ng+.
Speaking of Alice, I always found it weird she wasn't in this game, even SMT NINE which came out earlier than this game had a larger amount of demons, didn't even bother to put Mara in his full form in here.
Can't wait to see Lucifer
Someone correct me but I believe this challenge is actually impossible on any higher difficulty because the endgame bosses do more damage than your max hp, so rakukaja is mandatory if you're not praying to dodge.
Lionofash holy shit, I guess the game really does force buffs!
Seeing demi-fiend throw away 100k macca due to panic, crushed the hell outta my soul.
Maybe he thought bribery would be a valid strategy
Oh my god
Okay, it’s happening
Everybody stay calm
Whats the procedure?
*There isn’t one*
stay f@#!@ calm !!!
699 likes dont worry i woulnt fuck it up for you
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The text; Pulinpa
How nyarly reads it; ploopeena
I thought I was going crazy since no one else mentioned it.
I was listening to this and had to pause the video to make sure I hadn’t been reading wrong my whole life
@@samharman7732 he makes excellent videos, but his pronunciation is a little patchy at times, I remember that he pronounced Cadenza as Cadneeza
I'm starting to wonder if 90% of people making SMT videos are dyslexic or if it's just a lack of quality control.
@@SproutFarms the weird thing is that the spelling has been consistent for every spell and name he's mispronounced since their introduction
I swear that my eyes started crying the moment that i saw the title wtf
*THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!*
Same! This is my favorite game, but this title gave me an aneurysm. This is the definition of masochism.
Your eyes started crying? As opposed to what exactly?
@@averagechannelname9969 You've heard of The Hills Have Eyes, now get ready for: The Eyes have Eyes!
@@soundwaves8619
Cant wait for the sequel, The Eyes Have Eyes 2: Eyeletric Boogaloo!
Jokes on you. I can't even beat Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne.
jokes on you, i can't play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne.
Os desinteligentes why
@@Erivyn Probably doesn't have the console. Though emulation is always open
PegaSmith It may look hard at first but once yo understand which magic to use against which enemies, it becomes a lot easier.
It's only hard because of RNG moments. And the occasional poor matchup/team setup and magic attacks kinda being ass which most people wouldn't know. They're still useful, just not the best for pure damage
This sounds like hell
Have fun
There's no point in telling you this since you already beat the fights, but just to make life easier for everyone reading the comments looking to play this game: The Dominions and Powers for the White and Red Rider fights can be Stone Gazed making the fights infinitely easier. The Riders won't use Dragon Eye because they're still on the field but now the fiends have no one to support them. Focus all your attacks on the fiends then one shot the minions because they shatter.
i didn't happen to have a dis for white rider but my senri's mute gaze worked just fine too
I just drain their mp with daisoujou meditate
@Manuel Yeah. Nor did I. But yes, Power and Virtue are both weak to Dark, and Stone Gaze is Dark
“Can you beat SMT 3: Nocturne without buffs?”
My immediate thoughts: “Why would you ever want to do this to yourself? I need to see this”
yep. Basically my reaction!
I don't think you actually NEED to keep that 1st Pixie with you. You only need to keep any demons that you get after fusing her with another demon. As long as you have the demons that had that Pixie as an 'ancestor' of sorts, then you'd still get that 'thing' near the end.
That pixie is definitely easier to keep track of though.
It's always the first demon listed in your roster, so it's not terribly difficult
There's almost never any reason to delete demons from your roster anyways unless you recruited useless ones but can't get to a Cathedral of Shadows to fuse them up, and badly want to recruit something new in your current area.
I always love that this is a thing though as it was one of the few games that rewarded a certain thing I always do. Which is never ever remove the first Ally/monster/whatever I get in any of these games. So that it rewarded me for keeping my original partner, who wasn't a Pixie anymore but I always made sure to keep track of what her current form was is great
If you used her in fusion then You need to Keep the Demon(s) who the First Pixie is a Component of
It's not a question of "Can you", but "should you"
Cause boy......why in the hell would you
For Fun, Obviously
He apparently is some kinda hyper masochist. This is the psychological equivalent of CBT, but you weren’t given a safe word. This is the spiritual equivalent of drinking acid and setting yourself on fire simultaneously. This is the very definition of insanity.
To prove a point
Spoilers: That Focus-Divine Shot totally hit; it has a different camera angle on miss.
Great job, man. Can't wait for part 2.
I think the suspense is more about if he managed to kill him with it, but nice observation x)
@@angelovertim2360 Fair and valid!
But does it kill? That's the real question
The madlad actually tried it, bro how masochistic are you???
also what always got me through the riders when i fought them was the skill arid needle, it petrifies their summons and then i can focus on the riders instead.
He a megami tensei fan, masochistic is being part of it.
I think he has already done it before the talk with Fither.
@@starmaker75 the m in megaten stands for masochism
I’m surprised Matador never went for his signature combo of charge and Andalusia
“the flames of the menorah of Soveregnty are flicking wildly” *Dear god no not with this challenge*
Y’know I only realized this just now but it’s kind of hilarious that the Solo/Hard/TDE challenge is so well-known by now that it’s got a bunch of dedicated videos and it’s own guide on GameFAQs but beating the game with a full party and no buffs is so unthinkable that this is one of the first times it’s really come up
No, Nyarly, the Virtues are vulnerable to ailments. You'd have had infinitely more luck trying to stone them since they're weak to Death. Works great with the Powers too
He's gonna have so much fun with Pale Rider and his Loas, unless he gets somebody Dekunda
Spoilers: There is no part two. He most likely just bashed his playstation in pure rage at this point.
Rodolfo Castaneda Well about that buddy...
There is a part 2...
@@Heroinedown God is real and we brought him back.
@@Heroinedown would you look at that there even is a part 3
Now part 4
I think being killed by a Preta's critical hit sums up this run pretty well.
Happened to me 5 times in a row
I've never played I want to but all these BS deaths make me feel like Uninstalling the game despite not owning it in the first place.
Your nocturne early game improves greatly if you start out doing a magic Demi-Fiend and then pretend that you never invested in magic at all the second Focus/Divine Shot becomes available. (never go past 10 magic)
Agreed. It's what I did myself
I actually went for the physical build immediately and I was fine. You might have low level skills, but the build itself carries it until you get the better ones. And then it just kills everything.
you can't flee from battles on hard mode, only way to do that is with smoke balls or the skill trafuri
dont worry, Nocturne is kind, you cant escape battles on Hard so the option is completely grayed out and unavailable, you cant even try. Unlike say Digital Devil Saga 2, where escape chance is low but escape isnt grayed out, so you can forfeit all your turns to try and escape, and if you fail to escape, you just gave the enemy 1 full round to punch the shit out of you
@@straymerodach4713 Wrong, you can try to escape on Hard.
@@straymerodach4713 Did you miss the part in the video where he tried to escape and it didn't work?
Nyarlys weird pronunciations of some words is something I can never NOT notice. Pulinpa, matador etc.
Matadors's is weird, but Pulinpa's is just wrong. He's saying Lupina or something like that, but honestly, who cares. The content is still very much enjoyable
was looking for this comment lol
@@nullasenzanome9553 If someone called me by the wrong name all the time, I'd get annoyed. It's natural to want it corrected.
@@Boyzby Yeah, I don't think Pulinpa is going to get annoyed anytime soon though.
That's how you're supposed to pronounce matador
I don't even own this game, but there is something about this video series that keeps bringing me back to watch it. It's truly special.
Me too, the visuals are so unique!
@@aurelius-sparks Nocturne is amazing
@@Gato-be2jr yeahhhh
Man...I didn't know that Thor had Diarama.
I fear that Atlus will make one of the bosses in SMT5 have Diarahan
Weeb
@@BitchChill Says the one with an anime girl profile picture
Well, It happenned
You mean Ananta when you fight Shiva ? 👀
"Man, this puzzle is so long that two of my demons *EVOLVED* !"
"There's no difference" Raidou comes with Pierce, that's a big difference i think
Given the reveal of just how similar Dante and Raidou truly are with the third part of this run, makes me wonder what Dante has instead of Pierce.
@@isenokami7810Well in the hd version of the game he does have pierce
@@Shiratto Guess that makes sense. Now that he’s DLC, it’d suck to pay for the worse character.
Though, it’s funny: I should like Dante more, since I’ve actually played DMC but I haven’t played Devil Summoner. Yet somehow I think Raidou is cool regardless, enough for me to be perfectly fine taking him over Dante.
@@isenokami7810 As someone who grew up around both Megaten’s PS2 era and DMC (primarily played DMC till I got older) I can totally see the appeal of both.
For me I really wanted to complete the experience I had with the ps2 version and Dante since I was late playthrough when the remaster got announced and I also wanted to hear his voice acting.
nyarly: i'm not gonna spoil why the matador fight is so hard just yet for those that haven't played the game
nyarly: so this is lucifer
When seeking the thrill of death is not hard enough...
Great.
Now Nuzlocke an SMT.
HOW TO BE A GOD
that's actually very easy if you farm some demons through talk, use them as fodder for stronger demons with the right skills and buff your way to the end with zero extra xp as some demons come with high levels and stats by default
or do you mean a run with ONLY 'talk' demons where fusion is not permitted?
@@KillEmo8 Damn, that would be pure suffering.
What counts as a route?
@@anenemystand5582 each area on the map prob, or the entire room where there can be encounters.
Shoutouts to the Chronicle version getting an HD port, dating this video to hell.
"You're like a toddler in a wheelchair trying to take on the New England Patriots."
It's entirely possible that that line ages poorly in the post-Brady era.
"Welcome to the Salty Spitoon, how tough are ya?"
Worst thing about MegaTen: Aliment Moves missing when the enemy is immune to them.
Since honestly, unless you're so jaded that you figure Aliments will never work or you just give up, chances are that someone will attempt to inflict the status a number of times to no results.
Seriously, just have it say "Blocked" or something to that effect instead of giving a false hope that it might work
Not a MegaTen game but Digimon Cyber Sleuth does that. Feels weird when I switch between Cyber Sleuth/Hackers Memory and MegaTen games as I get used to how Digimon handles it.
There's literally a resistance called Void/Null (along with Repel and Drain), and you can have Ailments as a whole Nulled with a certain Magatama. There's no reason why it can't just say "Null" if you use an Ailment on an Ailment-Immune enemy. The only excuse I can think of is that Ailment isn't an attack type, rather something typically tied to Curse, Mind, and Nerve attacks (a good amount of which don't do damage and are JUST ailment moves).
@@espurrseyes42 I have no clue if this is true but if I had to guess the game runs rolls the die for if the ailment hits before checking immunities, resulting in all the misses that should just be null, then if you hit you get the immune damage result.
This has upset me as well because it has killed me in boss fights before.
When you hear the song go:
"We'll sacrifice the son of Heaven!
"
"Man's greatest glimpse of fire red!"
It means this run
I’ve been waiting for this 👀
A K I H I K O W O U L D L I K E T O K N O W Y O U R L O C A T I O N
NOT SiIvaGunner lol
Didja see that, Shinji?
Fish Activation 👀
👀👊
I did a no buff/debuff run a few weeks ago, it was pretty fun (it's on my channel if you're curious). I'm a bit confused on some of your strategies (for example, why not use Iyomante magatama for Daisoujou and Mizuchi?), but its cool to see some of the route differences. I didn't bother with TDE since Lucy will require way too much luck grinding; I wish you luck with that.
Dang this is insane
He forgot. He only remembered to get it once he got stuck on Red Rider
Obligatory Featuring Dante From Devil May Cry joke
8:50 Haven't finished the video but um. Just wanted to say on hard mode you have a 0% chance of escaping without items hence why you could never run away
A few weeks ago when I saw this, I got the courage to give the game another try after I decided to put it down out of difficulty. I stopped playing at Matador, but watching you suffer without using buffs helped me realize that I should be able to beat the game with buffs. Currently, I’ve made it just past the fairy part and I hope I can finish the game. Good luck in part 2!
"They did, in fact, not beat it"
Raidou would have made slightly more sense as a boss than some random dude who likes pizza.
I think you meant Kawamommy*
If you don't have Pixie in your party at all times, you deserve whatever comes to you.
Dolphinboi I think Dante and the Demi-fiend are both designed by Kazuma so it sort of makes sense. I agree that Raidou is a better match however.
@@calebgoodman2076 I would like a version of the game with every addiction from all the versions of the game
How tho when the guy was living in the past? Haven't you played any Devil Summoner game? And Even though I haven't played the 1st game, the 2nd title looks better aka Raidou Kuzunoha vs Soulless Army, or Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon, the king Abaddon version is a sequel to the previous one, and currently am playing the soulless army version, an Action Shin Megami Tensei Title, the game is just amazing 10+ hours in and I can tell already why would atlus favor him instead of any other smt protagonist.
abidalmohimen Rashed Dante isn’t even from the same universe. Also in SMT3 Chronicles Raidou has an ending cutscene where he returns to his world and types about the events in the Vortex World. Something they never did for Dante.
@@calebgoodman2076 Considering it’s DMC 2 Dante one can assume he got into some portal shenanigans during his journey through hell at the end and got out the same way he got out in his own series.
Hi nyarly, as someone who beats hardtype (the even harder, modded version of nocturne) I suggest you try and grind more. Max health is very important in hard difficulty, and also you should try and fuse life bonus and things like that, as well as life drain and elemental resistances.
You can find life drain with Incubus and Succubus. You might think Daisoujou with meditation will do, but actually you can use life drain on others to give you more opportunities to deal damage. Only two demons were hit? Well, let them use life drain for chip damage and heal themselves, and Daisoujou can just hit enemy too since he doesn't need to spend the turn to heal.
Elemental resistances in general, even if its only "Res" and not null or repel, is still excellent because reduced damage means more breathing room. And since you're in the fourth kalpa already, I think its also possible to fuse some null elements too. (Also, I think kikuri-hime has anti-ailment as one of her skills? Maybe you can do a fusion chain to let others learn it.
8:49
You DO realize one of the things Hard Mode does is make it impossible to retreat from battles, right?
As steep as the difficulty curve is for Nocturne, I did find myself enjoying the heavy focus on buffs and debuffs as well as how a turn can be reused if a critical hit is made or weakness is attacked.
Nyarly: I decided to say eff it
Ryuji: I sense a disturbance in the for(real)ce
Good
Not sure what to call this: immense stupidity or immense dedication 😂
One thing for sure, it's gonna be super entertaining for us.
That's the most suspicious name ever
@@ryokiritani4187 what do you mean 🤔
or immense masochism
I just hope smt strange journey redux without fusing is next
Edit: why would anybody pick someone else over Dante also known as the gay cowboy
Raidou and Dante are just about equal in skills, tgo I believe Raidou has the advantage if Pierce.
@@dantemustdie00 that may be true but he isnt funny and thats all that matters
Yeah, he's motherfuckin Dante. Who wouldn't want him terrorizing you in the third kalpa
AKA: how my dumb kid self tried playing before giving up because I thought the game broken.
not poorly balanced, mind you, literally broken. I thought a light scratch on the disc was why it was so hard.
edit: I think you mispronounced Louis Cyph- oh I get it!
Ummm I have no words to describe how bad that logic is.
@@artofthepossible7329 that's kid logic for you.
I have a Mega Man X PlayStation game disc that has a scratch and one of the bosses literally skips as he loads in and breaks the game...
Damn you Kaneko!
@@artofthepossible7329 Some of the old dragon quests become much easier if the console is physically hot, so a scratch screwing with a game's numbers isn't unthinkable
The SMT challenge runs are so interesting to watch. Keep up the good work, sir!
27:26 I remember when my apartment ceiling got water damage once, it looked just like the 2nd Kalpa.
Cant wait to see your next video: Can You Beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne *(REMAKE WOO)* Without Buffs? (Part 1)
*remaster
Ah, so this is what happens when someone goes to hell
So I suppose you at least go to heaven or are reborn when you finally beat it
Small note, from what i understand, petrification does work on the virtues and most other rider summons except black rider's legions.
fun fact. the first 2 rider minions are weak to stone. so since they cant move and he cant call new ones its just wasted turns on their side.
You said “You get a call from Lucifer” so casually
Manawall in FFVIIR is such a useless spell to me, I didn't even use it during the final boss. Why do that when I can use cura and phoenix downs?
@Mikhiel Rearaxin Dragon Quest buffs are pretty good. It is just the games are generally built to be easy so people will just grind levels instead of using buffs at lower levels.
Fire emblem games have good buffs, at least 6 and 7 do, as far as I know, small boosts to stats make a big difference in those games, and they can last awhile depending on the buff (dancer buffs are 1 turn but holy water res buff lasts awhile, weakens over time) either way, each combat REALLY matters in fe6/7 (at least on the harder difficulties ) and buffs help a ton, especially in an Ironman
Dont use barrier materia in hardmode, gl
@@thanatosdraga If you spam disorder, you can stunlock most enemies.
@Mikhiel Rearaxin FF10 and 12 have pretty good buffs.
FF13 has good support skills too, it's the only good part of that game XD
40:21 I laughed so hard
Your way of communicating everything in the video is so entertaining, will definitely check more from you
Thank you for trying this, keep rejecting gods
8:52 If I recall correctly, the only way you can escape battles on Hard Mode is to have a party member who who has an escape battle skill.
One of the earliest instances I can remember where you can get one is from a shady broker in the 1st Amala Level, who sells a fusion fodder Picasa with many exploration related skills.
High pixie also gets it
An HM slave
IN SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI???
@@Ramsey276one yes, sometimes those exist
It's...beatable, I actually suffered greatly completing the game blindly after Persona 3 and, arguable, buffs/debuffs were less busted in personas.
"That's hell your walking into"
Guy who played Nocturne without buffs/debuffs
Me coming back to this series for the 5th+ time because I’m playing through nocturne casually and got genuinely lost
Pour one out for Nyarly...
I mean, he isn't dead YET, but its just a matter of time at this point.
Gonna leave this here, I use this video to fall asleep to, not because it's boring, but because of the voice, it's amazing.
me too!
Just got nocturne the other day and have been an absolute blast playing through it. Love how the game doesn't hold your hand at all, it's wonderful. However, to keep myself as blind as possible, I won't be able to watch this series until I'm done with my first playthrough. Can't wait to come back and watch your descent into madness with this challenge!
@Retendo it's my first smt game so I went for normal.
This is a good video to watch during this hard time. Can't wait for part two.
Raidou it's actually more of an improved version of Dante instead of a character that pretty much has the same moveset as Dante with a different animation.
The movesets are sure similar but there is subtle differences that makes the character a lot better like Raidou's Raidou the Aeon, Passive skill that Multiplies equipper's all damage dealt by 1.5 and all physical/
phys-almighty attacks bypass target's most resistances except for repel.
Outright a superior version of Son's Oath that has Physical Pierce basically making Raidou actually useful for endgame bosses including Lucifer.
Weird how the Shin Megami Tensei Wiki translated his moveset yet I it was translated before someone actually translated the final version of Nocturne?
The troll guarding the 1000 yen bill is affected by hama and mudo. You didn't have to confuse him.
"Can You Beat Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne Without Buffs? "
*I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL*
8:51 Is that Freeman's Mind in the background??
Jack frost is like the pikachu of SMT
He's my little babbbyyyy
Let me say, I’ve seen all four of these videos through at least 4 times and I’ve even beaten nocturne twice myself, but these never fail to entertain me, Great videos as always Nyarly
soooooo, Focus is the skills that´s Power Charge in other SMT games,right?
I´d say that´s fair game,I don´t really consider it as a buff
Mark Us Nier CHS yeah. Also there is no mind charge equivalent in Nocturne.
@@markkoehr5003 so, I've only played Nocturne for a couple hours years ago and wanna try it again after I finished Digital Devil Saga.
Question: Magic or Physical build?
Mark Us Nier CHS I am by no means an expert on the game, so if other have better ideas listen to them. However I believe the common consensus is to start out with a magic build and then move into a physical build later in the game. The demifiend has access to a lot of really good magic attacks early on, for example tornado. But a lot of the more powerful attacks of the game come later and are physical (Gaea’s Rage, Friekugel, etc). It is probably a good idea to give the demifiend one magic attack since a few of the later enemies are immune to physical and some even repel physicals. A physical build is generally better for late game since physical attacks can score criticals and they benefit from focus and pierce(an ability that causes physical attacks to ignore resistances except repel but you have to complete the labyrinth of Amala to get it.) The most important thing to keep in mind if you are planning this is to keep focus. You get it early on but if you forget any moves you can’t relearn them.
@@markkoehr5003 thanks a lot 👍
Same
Just started watching your videos a week or two ago and i have been waiting for your next challenge.
Keep up the good work.
Masochism is gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
The story you convey in the video is so good (overall ones) that it makes me think why I battle through the areas.
Also after getting divine shot, the game became more enjoyable
You know how hard a game is when playing the game without debuffs or buffs is considered a legitimate challenge.
Yesssss finally also bro you are in my prayers man no buffs or de buffs in nocturne is true hell
Haven't seen anyone correcting his statement on keeping the first pixie forever. Anyway, you don't actually need to keep the 1st pixie as is, you can safely fuse her into something else to reap the benefit later near the end of the game. Don't remember exactly what the restrictions are(google it yourself i'm lazy) but it's safe to fuse your first pixie
So as long as you dont sacrifice her for a Sacrifical Fusion its fine. So regular Fusion is ok. Evolving her as well is also ok
I just got finished with my first true demon ending run of nocturne and I wanted to thank you for introducing me to this amazing series. Dante being in nocturne made me interested in smt in the first place, but you made me appreciate this series far more than I ever imagined. Now excuse me while I go rewatch the smt5 trailer for the tenth time
Me getting around the chat filter in online games: Go commit Nocturne without buffs
I never played this game but your enterteining voice, enterteining commentary, and very detailed explanation of your strategies and your turns makes this an EXTREMELY enjoyable video. Amazing job!
Stone gaze works wonders on virtue and the other angels, the skelly monk is a true pain to fight. Unlike any other fiend and boss I've encountered
Coming back to this run yet again, always a fun watch. Not to mention that watching you play Nocturne makes me want to play through it; thinking about you in general makes me want to play Nocturne, actually. A sign that this is some great stuff.
Side note, thanks to this challenge run, I decided to go for a physical Demi-Fiend build when I played Nocturne myself. Excellent decision, easily made Demi-Fiend the destroyer of all he’s meant to be.
Smt: Nocturne, now sorta featuring Dante from the devil may cry series
I’ve been obsessed with ur videos lately bro. Keep up the great content!
"Good luck with that."
- Mr. Moseby
God, I can't believe I still keep coming back to this. I know the Arsene only run isn't happening, but I miss these runs
SMT 3 FOR SWITCH LIVES! Now I wanna see how well this challenge works on the remaster.
I know this video is old but i decided to check if what you said at about 31:14 about the Virtues and turns out they aren't immune according to the wiki at least also doing Nocturne/Lucfier's Call with no buffs? that is one CRAZY challenge