There's Some Kind of God, and Matt Should Stop Cursing! | A. Radical - ? | Atheist Experience 23.53
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- The Atheist Experience 23.53 for December 22, 2019 with Matt Dillahunty & Dragnauct Sylvas.
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"Sir, I'm trying to make an illogical argument and you're interrupting me by pointing out the flaws in my argument. Please stop interrupting me so my illogical argument can sound logical."
Daniel Bartholomew to be fair, matt was being a dick about it.
Daniel Bartholomew to be fair, matt was being a dick about it.
Doesn't sound illogical to me, sounds plausible. However to say there's a god entity behind it is probably a rookie concept.
The universe is conscientious of itself, so the universe is "intelligent" of itself.
@@darkstar4494 Yeah, he kind of was
Kohn Futner you probably mean the universe is conscious of itself. If you really meant conscientious that’s slightly different but essentially the same baseless assertion. What makes you think the universe is conscientious about anything?
"You're helping me fail." Legendary. This is why most theists refuse to listen - they know they will fail. Unfortunately this guy was too honest to listen and consider.
It was a Frippian slide. Er, I mean a Freudean slip.
Banter, bicker, brouhaha...
This is also why there has rarely been a theist call in to evidence/prove their god(s) and not dodge and divert from basic questions.
"In order for us to 'have an argument', I _must_ take the contrary position."
Christians do not refuse to listen... It is the fool --->atheist, that refuses to listen. You kooks get debunked all the time and refuse to accept the science that debunked your religion of evolutionism. Try science instead of evolutionism!
@@brucebaker810 I have a Jungian bustierre.
I liked how Dragnauct made divine intervention sound like an invasion of Lovecraftian horrors. More people should do that.
It's because he has the flying spaghetti monster on the desk
I usually choose the Dragnaught class when playing Age of Wonders 5 😛 Love those siege weapons 😂
Contraception is bad for a woman's health as it's unnatural plus it's a grave sin as Abortion is a grave sin so evil, we should be a culture of Life. Research online Scientifically Proven as Our Lord Jesus blood type discovered in the Holy Eucharist as part of the Catholic Faith it's so amazing plus many more great Miracles in the Catholic Faith. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen God Bless Take Care All 😌👏🕊☘
@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 Excellent example of how christianity doesnt makes sense at all.
@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 One must be very careful when the natural is equated with the moral. Are clothes unnatural, too? What about riding around in cars, certainly that isn't natural, either...does that make it immoral? Meanwhile, arsenic and cyanide are perfectly natural - does that mean that it's good for us? It's literally the Naturalistic Fallacy.
You're going to have to do better than 'unnatural' to convince anyone that something is harmful.
Over the years of watching this show, my favorite callers are the ones who tell Matt not to curse lol
I know eh? It's so fucked up.
@@starfishsystems Hey watch that cursing sir😂
Knock knock: "Handbag"
You said a "Purse" Word.
I’m the same as Matt when a theist tells me to not curse I curse even more just because it pisses me off
Yup, like the one when the woman said the banana fits un your hand and he said it fits in your butt too. That one was epic.
Theology scholar:
"My evidence is a syllogism"
*Doesn't know what a syllogism is*
If he condensed his points into a coherent argument, it would fall apart faster than you can say circular reasoning.
@@elizasmith1229 A syllogism is an argument that has 2 premises and a conclusion.
For instance:
Premise 1: All humans are mammals.
Premise 2: I am a human.
Conclusion: Therefore, I am a mammal.
He can barely pronounce syl--syl--syllogism. smh
@@kevincrady2831 to be fair he might have just said nervous
@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 'been' nervous
It's hard not to curse when people demand you believe in their invisible space fairy.
Jesus fucking christ!
Is that a curse?
@@staceypool2318 It's even worse. It's taking the lords name in vain. ;)
@@Quotenwagnerianer , jesus fucking christ is not a Lord or a god.
Stacey Pool your in for one HELL of a ride !
David Parry So you FEAR also !
Every time he says "Ok" without actually absorbing what was was said to him is making me nuts.
"Reason for death is to prevent overpopulation."
My man... 10 billion human lives say hello.
And counting.
Lol it sure isn't working.
I guess god is struggling to tame that over population, oh well I’m sure he will just kill off a few extra million innocent kids in Africa of starvation.
Evolution could not have occurred if it wasn't for better adapted organisms having the ability to completely replace the former population with their better adapted DNA. Species must evolve in populations with the same gene pool. Immortal organisms don't exist at least for the reason that they wouldn't have been able to update their gene pools. Death had to be inexorable even if only due to predation.
BTW, Earth isn't overpopulated with humans yet. Those predictions have been delayed by advances in agriculture including genetic engineering, better fertilizers and pesticides, more third world countries progressing economically and being able to afford highly mechanized and scientific farming methods etc.
Failegion
Not even 8 billion yet.
This guy is so rude. He says ok, not because he agrees with what you said but to get the hosts to shut up so he can continue. Says ok to correction and objections, but then skips on as though he hadn't. Really dishonest way to communicate.
NoodleNoggin It’s called apologetics. The whole purpose is to distract you from the fact that there is zero evidence for their position/claim.
NoodleNoggin : no one is more dishonest than an atheist ,check the figures .
Paragon Of virtue Figures? You have to show these figures when making these kind of claims. Or are you just lying?
Chris Massey : my place is where I choose to be ,I’m here to put everyone in his place that includes you if you don’t keep your nose where it belongs .
Absque Religione : I just hate atheists .
Why didn’t he just say: “Look at the trees” like most every theist does.
Ah yes. The Argument from Foliage. The classic theist gambit.
Consider the lillies
Ponder the peonies.
Look at the Bee and the Birds.. lol
More like they talk to god through the trees.
Matt: "There could just be gay sex."
Dragnauct: Smiles* "Wouldn't be so bad."
Loved that
I could not believe they said that. They could of came up with better answers
@@nailonross416 could have. Not could of.
@@nailonross416 could have, but their point was enough lol
@@nailonross416 Why?
Imagen being so focused on being religious in such a way that u have to come up with so much CRAP in such å short time.
His brsin is so broken he dont even realize it him self.
Radical.
There is NO WAY having an intellegent conversation with people like u..
Another time try start with proving ur god is accually REAL insted of comming up with a 1000 things u cant even prove either lol
I love how Matt makes a point to swear more when the caller tells him to stop swearing.
Yes it shows Matt is under the influence of the caller.Weak.
It shows the callers shouldn't give a fuck if matt swears or not.
@@daviddeida I held that idea for a little while, but on a different show he iterated that "This is my show I can curse to whoever I want", it reminds the caller who is in charge and ultimately always gives control back to Matt.
Like he said in this call, painting something as wholly good/bad or strong/weak isn't true across the board. It may be giving way to temptation when he goes into a cursing fit rather than calmly explaining its his show, his rules, but like he gets the job done.
Personally I'd offer he should try the "My show my rules" calm explanation... once per show and then shout about it for instances afterward :)
@@orange_man_from Hes still religious,putting himself as the God head.NPD ,control freek ,weak and insecure imo.
I’m the same type lol
“I am the judge and jury of what I find ridiculous”.
Matt can dunk...
I'll be the judge of that.
Those stupid idiot atheists are only big ego's. After dead they will find out! Death does not exist, our soul goes on in the next dimensions!
@@albertinabooi9100 prove it
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
@ShadeyBladey Not actually. We never claim to be wiser than God. We never deny the obvious. God is. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Creator God. Science has debunked evolution. We just trust the facts.
It really seems that many of these callers NEVER watch any other episodes, where most of their questions could be answered.
They don't care.. why should they have to do any research when all the research they have is preached to them and shoved down their throats to be regurgitated back because atheist don't believe a God exist or don't have enough evidence to justify the belief...
Most theist are parrots with no critical thinking skills.. they fully believe what is written down that what you say that refutes their claim means nothing..
They're too busy in church!
Then they'd also realize that their arguments for God's existence would have already been refuted.
I think it's because callers like this aren't calling in to get a question answered. It's like Jeopardy, in a way. He's already got all the answers, but only if you ask the question in a very specific way. And accept the answer unconditionally.
@@revanche1431 Yeah, I think that most callers already "know" the answer but they really just want to call in to the show to preach.
I've never seen Matt interrupting so little, likewise never seen the caller complaining so much that he was getting interrupted.
They ALL do this don't they...? -
I've lost this argument, let's abandon that one and go onto another train of thought.
Everytime!
Yup. So many opt, either straight away or after the what the thought was a gotcha falls flat, to go for the ‘throw enough crap’ approach. They’re coming from every direction imaginable, but at the end of the day, it’s all just crap.
So many of these people calling in sound like it literally hurts them to think. I suppose that's why they do so little of it.
It doesn't hurt them but they've been told that thinking freely and asking questions is evil
@@Trosper222 He should try that ejaculation prolong spray.
Yes, evolutionists are known for that. Having their professor tell them what and how to think is easy.
@@ColonelEmpire Lol what a projection. What exactly do you think the pastor does in Church?
@@Trosper222 To a cinema near you?
Dragnauct: Coolest first name ever.
Imagine if your last name was Dreadnought.
I was thinking the same thing. Sick name
I dare you to smell his seat 💺
@American Hostage there's a difference between not being able to and choosing not to do something.. I chose not to have kids myself.. I have all the necessary equipment and fluids needed without any malfunctioning parts.. but I chose not to use that equipment to reproduce..
@American Hostage yeah weird for people to jump on your for that...
He argues about birds and their physiology while clearly having not the slightest clue that birds evolved from dinosaurs.
I find the people who criticize evolution tend to know next to nothing about it.
Or that not all birds can fly.
He keeps claiming that what he said was ‘evidence’. There was zero.
To them, belief IS evidence. The mindset of "It's true because I believe it is.
@@johncee853 For real. This is so true. So many of them think that way.
I do not find love in god
I do not find rest in religion
I do not find peace in belief
I find contentment in atheism
I find comfort in the absence of a higher power
I find happiness in knowledge
A whole world of possibilities open up
When you take off the blindfold
Very similar to one of my favorite Christopher Hitchens quotes: Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness , truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.
@@grassoempreendimentos2188 The beauty of atheism is that we are not mandated to believe anything. The only real point your elaborate post makes is that you cannot imagine: not having faith; not operating on magical thinking; and being comfortable with not knowing.
@@arjenbootsma6881 you reject God, his love and grace. He will accept your decision, and you will remain eternally without experiencing his love and grace. Hell awaits unbelievers. Fool.
@@grassoempreendimentos2188 uhhhhhh
A bit to much to read,ps how do you write that much!?
@@grassoempreendimentos2188 Please provide both your evidence for any god AND Hell.
We'll wait............
He learnt a couple of big words and thought let's call matt😂😂😂
He heard and repeated a couple big words, he has never learned the words.
@@coletrickle1775 lmao
F'real doe, someone come get they mans!🤣🤣
Haha. True.
He pulled "plethora" out of his bag. LOL.
Isn’t like 99% of things that have ever existed have died out? That’s not intelligent, that’s not good design, that’s shitty.
In school, a 1% is an F- and grounds to fail you. Yet here 1% is proof of a God and an intelligent one at that. Somehow I think our ideas of that word mean different things.
The universe is designed for life! Forget about the 99.99999% of it that would instantly kill anything, it's designed for life!
On the mark 99.9%! I was thinking exactly same thing!😄👌
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 So we can wear earrings?!!! I'm joking..I know what you're getting at! Appendix comes to mind too.😄😉✌
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 An intelligent design fan might argue that it was designed to carry earrings. Not a natural evolutionary advantage perhaps (although in our culture it may actually well have become one!), but IDers don't seem to care much about that anyway, so that argument won't disturb them much.
Better examples are "designs" that are not only useless but obviously "bad", like that vein that runs up and down the neck of a giraffe to go around the heart where it could just have taken a short straight route.
"Okay, let's go to our next caller. Oh look, a contortionist who loves to torture himself."
Sounds like the Christian God.
Matt bringing his A game on this one. THIS is the Matt that we all know and love
Nah. I prefer him in debates.
I agree, he was pretty fun in this call
Meanwhile this caller is a something alright.
Wow. I understand ignorance and not being educated. But pretending to know something as fact and make assertion upon assertion, without willing to be challenged or listen or learn, has nothing to do with ignorance or lacking education. It is my definition of stupidity: not willing to listen and learn.
It's a sheeple mind. Brainwashed to regurgitate.
And also repeat the same thing as nauseum🤷♀️
There should be a questionnaire to test your assumptions that shows
where you are wrong in your assumptions. I will keep this in mind when I
continue listening to TAE. As this theist thinks that evolution always
goes towards something that's objectively "good", or "there's an order
to everything", that's question one.
@Kevin HM8404 Read what you wrote. You wrote he should have been hung up. Before shouting 'too stupid'...
@@colaboytje you're right
Matt is bald from pulling out his hair during theist calls - and you can’t tell me otherwise!
There are times when I listen to Matt and I am stunned by how truly intelligent and educated he is. You teach me amore and more my friend. Even with your swearing. :)
He is impressive.
It wouldn’t be the same without a well placed F bomb here and there
Love the swearing.
And
The butt hurts of the callers
Hilarious
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dragnauct Sylvas: Clever, calm, composed and captivating. Love to see more of this guy. Asks intelligent questions which cut to the core of the issue....... Sadly, callers seem to struggle with his vocabulary. Doesn't hurt that he's easy on the eye too. Just a shame the caller couldn't offer up a more sophisticated argument for him to respond to. Great job Matt, as always.
he wasn´t calm, the guy on the left was. sadly, whenever matt is present, we hardly get to hear whatever the caller really thinks but ONLY how matt fills 90% of the conversation by stopping every line of thought the caller MIGHT have had tried to lay out if he were at least given the chance to...
Dave Jacob did you read the comment you responded to?
@Dave Jacob, you’d have a point, if the caller were actually thinking. He was parroting crappy arguments he heard elsewhere, none of them were leading anywhere, and anybody who’s listened to a few of these idiotic “arguments” would already know that. Very rarely does a theist trying to prove a god exists come up with anything worth listening to if you let them keep talking, and there’s a very good reason for that. It doesn’t take a lot to work out that if there were any sort of relevant to humanity deity we would all believe in it because its existence would be readily apparent, and would have been for centuries at the very least.
@@mattrogers6107 i heard hundreds of those arguments.
but i know basic logic: just because so far they were dumb, i will not start to watch a video in order to NOT get to listen to it. why the FUCK would i want to watch this video about religious callers if i DID NOT wanted to hear the ARGUMENT OF THE CALLER?
@@davejacob5208 Late to the party, but… Perhaps these arguments are new to you-and maybe you could not see where the caller was going with these pathetic attempts-but they’re redundant to the majority of us. They have been thoroughly beaten time and time again. Matt wasn’t cutting him off. Rather, he attempted to help the caller craft a sound argument. Why would Matt allow him to ramble on with flawed premises (especially premises we’ve all heard and are absolutely tired of hearing)?
This “A. Radical” person was dishonest from the start, and he grew increasingly agitated that he couldn’t force the hosts to have this conversation within the confines of his shoddy, shoddy framework.Why on earth would Matt go down that road (again) if he already knew it was the wrong direction?
Stating that death has a motive is like stating that a waterfall has a motive.
Waterfalls do have motives: same motive as why the chicken crossed the road :-P
@@emilepesik862 Yeah, that was the point I was making. And chickens do have motives in some sense of the word, since they (and most other life) wishes to stay alive
Wait....Waterfalls don't have a motive? LOL
@@JohnMorris-ge6hq A waterfall's motive is equal to its intent. Which is zero.
@@jollytemplar3670 I agree with your point. You may have missed the joke though.
As for the chicken, if it wants to stay alive it should seriously consider _not_ crossing the road.
"But..."
"Yeah, butt. ...sorry, bad joke."
I lost it xD
Every single point of his argument needs to be clarified and he can't stand that.
Matt stop cursing!? When he goes off I start laughing so no, let him curse.
12:00 "Well, that's because you're helping me fail"
lol
guy you don't need any help failing to make a point "within reason"
Dragnauct is one of the most badass names I've ever heard. Sounds like a bad guy from Star Trek. I love it. We'll played, lads 👍
Thor exists, look at the thunder.
Air Benders exist, look at the wind.
Homer Simpsons exists, look at Springfield.
See how stupid that sounds?
And yes, there are books and stories about all of these people/God's.
I really hope when I die Avatar Aang just states, "sup, welcome to heaven." Lmao
@Scott Fantazia Ouch! Critical hit!
@Scott Fantazia I never said I will be there. And, I don't believe there is one. So your question is dreadfully fallacious.
@@rhealastname266 Shit mate. 😂
"Harry Potter is true because this book proves it"
Stop being rational and reasonable while I preach to you about my invisible skygod.
Jay Maverick my own brother did this with me last week. He said ****, your fallacies and **** you. He said he meant it. My own brother.
Funny thing is that he knew I was an atheist and was still the initiator of the conversation.
He kept asking me questions, evaded my questions, and shifted the goalposts consistently.
Theists are stuck in their own emotions and most of them only do it cause theyre scared of a hell.
Further proof that theists only believe what they believe, due to an overwhelming fear of dying.
Correct.
It's also overwhelmingly likely that we humans are the only creatures on earth whose brains have a part that makes it known to us that we're going to die within 11 decades at most. The "afterlife" invention makes living with dying easier for some.
The caller needs to recognize that thinking/consciousness is an activity of brains not existing without brains. We cannot think anything into existence.
Matt Dillahunty is wonderful, particularly when he loses his temper in a marvellous crescendo of anger at deranged callers.
what so scary about realizing the only answer very often is- “I don’t know.” These shows repeatedly demonstrate how flexible bad ideas and bad beliefs are. Ideological Contortionists.
Religion indeed makes someone talk like an idiot.
Also zealots get a bit snippy when they don't get their coffee and scones in the mornin' lol.
It reminds me of a presentation by Seth Andrews called, "Christianity made me talk like an idiot" where he admitted that very thing about himself.
So does antitheism and many people are inclined towards it in their hearts, an example is "the universe is so big, why would God care if I commit sexual sin, seriously, it's the 21st century, what's the big deal?" Because it's neither funny, original or thought provoking when people say stuff like that because in the end they know in their conscience what's wrong and what's right without any Bible telling them so.
@@someperson2789 That is nothing more than an assertion and it smells like bullshit.
True
Oh come on, stop the tap-dancing... just say it as it is: "i believe for no freakin' reason! Just because... i feel like it!" it's ridiculous but own it at least!
@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Why do you believe that?
@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Spoken like a litter box turd.
@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 I'm alive too, no jesus involved!
@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 turn the other cheek
@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Jebus = Scammer
Starts of by saying he's neither a theist or atheist... it can't be anything but bad after that...
Never stop cursing Matt!
I love how they challenge these callers on their bullshit with specific questions they trip and stumble over.
There's nothing more dangerous than a little bit of knowledge. This guy has googled something that he probably doesn't fully understand and is trying to use it for an argument.
Does that include your comment ? :) I am only joking, feel I have to add that as some might take it as serious :)
Who ever told him about Google.... needs to be punched in the stomach.
@@nuffflavor I think that anything that gives you more access to information is a good thing .... However you do need to educate people as how to extract the meaningful from the crap .... And that is a big ask :)
The guy has google, but he has no brain. What a depressing idiot.
@@trikky2.2 u mean Creation Science "science " isnt real science? 😂
Another "great thinker" derailed by his own illogical thinking.
As always, when you go through the whole thing .................
@Murican Ignorance In my age I do not "grow " anymore, only older, a few years. Dear Mr Wonderful. ..................
"That depends on what you mean by "great thinker." -Jordan "Send Me Your Money" Peterson
@@Ifoughtpiranhas Are we talking to each other, or BESIDE each other ? ................
@@ralfhaggstrom9862; "That depends on what you mean by BESIDE..."
“You’ve failed in every way up to even now.”
“Ok let’s move on then.”
When you have convinced yourself that you're deep.
Awsome name.Sounds like a mortal kombat character .......dragnauct sylvas vs sub zero
I actually like it when Matt curses out the callers.
Lmao oh fuck
Well deserved every time 😂
@Smokey 420 I would hazard that nothing you just stated is remotely "truthful". 🙄
I don’t. He literally acts like a child when he could clearly be patient and LISTEN.
For fuck’s sake...LET the callers finish their full statement.
@@owlbus14 if the caller makes a case and part one goes down u can't trust the conclusion so why let callers drone on ?
From 9 minutes the grasping becomes incredibly embarrassing to a point I love. Marvellous.
"Let's move on" Best idea dude had going there.
Yeah, every "evidence" seems to end with: "Ok, I lost this one as well, let's move on !"
"Evolutionary adaptations exist and not through the will of their owners, therefore God."
"Every animal is perfect for its environment, therefore God."
Evolution is an endless goal. The environment constantly changes, therefore life must constantly adapt to it. There is no such thing as "perfection" unless there was an environment that never changes (not possible) or an organism that can change form at will for any environment (like the Zerg for example, which do not exist). The caller does not realize he refuted himself.
"Hawks have better eyesight than humans in terms of distance."
Yes, so what? They need distance vision to hunt from the air, more accurately their ability to track movement is keen. Humans do not hunt from the air and we were not at the top of the food chain before we mastered fire and tools. We were hunted by big cats, so we needed good color and binocular vision to make them out.
"If there was no death, there would be overpopulation, therefore God."
This makes the assumption God made overpopulation a problem to be solved by death. This is very stupid. God could have made overpopulation a non-factor by making everyone gay or incapable of overproducing. This also assumes overpopulation is no longer a problem because of death, which is demonstrably false. It is still a huge problem. Also, if organisms were perfectly adapted to their environment, they wouldn't die now would they? Damn, this caller is stupid!
*Disclaimer: Caller may or may not be stupid, but his arguments undoubtedly are stupid.*
Great commentary. However, while I understand how frustrating it can be to hear this kind of nonsense argument, "this caller is stupid" isn't' really a constructive thing to say and cheapens the rest of your great comment.
@@JesseTheGameDev calling the caller names doesn't add or deduct from other statements. You are not disqualified on your arguments because you are either rude or polite.
@@JesseTheGameDev Okay, fine. The caller's *arguments* are stupid.
Jesse Stewart it is fair to concede, however, that stupid does exist and that some people exemplify that characteristic more than others.
@Jimbus Rift they vote too😜
The caller is full of semantic mumbo jumbo.
Dhivine Dhog Dhoo.
Great gobs of goose shit.
Dillihunty is full of evolution mumbo jumbo....not science.
@@ColonelEmpire Funny. I've never heard a clearer example of mumbo jumbo than the Christian creationist myth.
@@ColonelEmpire What do you call science?
It is virtually impossible to beat Matt the king of reality and common sense. Nobody better today with his knowledge and intelligence. !!!
That breakdown of that goofballs failures followed by his dodging the question following the breakdown was the best ending.
Not only can a hawk see farther than me, it can see more color too. Humans have trichromatic vision, birds have tetrachromatic vision.
Hawkfacts!
Hawk goals!
Chaz Wms.
Some humans are tetrachromats.
God's "intelligent design" didn't exactly design humans so well 😂
The reason for death is to create room at the DMV, and conversely to make sure there are enough employees working there.
This caller hates being challenged. Every premise is false as presented.
Caller: Don’t curse at me!
Me: I’m gonna need more popcorn.
Theists logical reasoning "not understanding something is evidence for god". Somehow of course
"it's sure not a stupid one". ooof that moment was so pathetically cringy.
I like how he can set out that "we don't change from how we are now" but Matt's not allowed to say we could colonize other planets
Why does it always seem that these “discussions” have your opponents bringing a knife to tank battle? I almost feel sorry for them!
I can’t understand why any rational person would be a “believer” (think something is true without any evidence and refuse to even listen to any contra arguments) especially with all the astronomical data we have for our truly insignificant place in our universe. Sorry to say this bluntly but intelligence is incompatible with religion, god and other magical nonsense.
Yes, we like to think that we aren't very instinctual but instinct easily overrides intellect. We evolved to survive more than we evolved to know what is true. Our innate propensity for belief in god is very complex relating to social conformity, the way our minds conceptualize, and our fear of death.
Dragnauct is a crazy cool name...
@Horsehead Pete Egotistical how?
If death never existed, life would have adapted in a vastly different way. If death suddenly stopped working, that would be a half good proof for the existence of some god XD
Death doesn't work. Life does stop working for different beings and that is what we call death. Death is to cease living. Death is just a negative statement just like atheism. Death sould even not be a thing. You stop living and we gave this action a name.
@@philipperinguette3370 If death were a object, maybe. But death is not a thing; It's a state of existence. Your body will be dead far longer than it will be alive. Nor is it a negative statement; it's the description of the state of an organism after it continues functioning.
"Off doesn't work. On does stop working for different objects and that is what we call off. Off is to cease being on. Off is just a negative statement just like atheism. Off sould even not be a thing. It stops being on and we gave this action a name."
I don’t think you understand the implications of “no death”. If there was no death then there would be no life. What were you before you were born? I can answer it for you; you were dead. You were dead for an infinite amount of time, then born for a limited amount of time, and soon will die for an infinite amount of time. Without death, everything that could possibly exist would exist and it could never change because then that would be death of something. An all-existing never-changing world can’t bring experience. It would be frozen in time, stuck. This is why you, the infinite creator called consciousness, created life and death to begin with. They are inseparable opposing aspects, like two sides of a coin, that must exist together or not at all, and the relationship between them is what people call God or singularity or Karma, just to name a few.
Around the 15 minute mark I found myself at the refrigerator chooing a dressing to make so much word salad palatable.
I love when the callers sound
reasonable in the beginning
and I'm just sitting here like:
"where's that leap? I can feel it
coming! Where's that leap of logic?
Aaaaand there it is!"
Sounds to me as presuppositional. "there is an intelligence, and here are the things i dont understand or have any knowledge about to assert its from this intelligence i already believe in." I think this guy had his ideas being questioned by someone.
When asked if his "Conscious Creator of the Cosmos" had any other attributes at the beginning of the call, he said no. Toward the end of the call he added in another attribute of "infinite" in response to Dragnauct's question about who created the creator.
“Perfectly adapted”....ummm, if I didn’t have clothing or a house, I’d die in my environment.
I’m glad y’all finally got him down to a form of his argument that really could no longer be reduced. His idea that order necessarily implies a causative intelligence is something he’s been holding on to, maybe without realizing it. That was the very thing he was trying to prove. You can’t say “I will prove that an awareness created the orderly reactions upon which the cosmos is built,” and then say that your reason is because order necessitates someone to have ordered it.
It's a very small circle.
The constant face palming is detrimental to my health.
haha yes, religion causes CTE🤦♂️
I'm slap happy at the moment but a bit sore.
i recommend wearing mitts, the softest you can get.
That's intelligent design at work - god is wiping atheists out by arranging the universe so that atheists gradually face palm themselves to death.
“Birds having wings” - Discuss 🥴
Penguins can't fly, nor can ostriches.
When you're too stupid to understand that an evolutionary advantage in one direction is also a disadvantage in another one.
adamtzsch what is that face
@@robertkennedy5414 It's true they can't fly, but it's also true they still have wings.
Emu's can't fly, but it's funny watching them try.
The moment a thiest knows their losing a debate they always want to move on.😂
Owls have great eyesight at the expense of 1) Not being able to move them 2) They take up so much space that there is not enough room for a brain.
Memo to all 89 IQ's.
Never call in to these kinds of shows.
Please stop. Claiming that theists are mentally handicapped does nothing to help the cause of secularism. All it does is further the stereotype that people have of atheists, which is that atheists are arrogant and think that they're smarter than everyone else. Stop giving those people fuel. It's far better to focus on the stupidity of the ideas themselves, rather than claiming that the people making them are deficient. Even the smartest people can end up holding stupid ideas, and it's important that you keep that in mind.
@@radishpineapple74 Agreed. We ought to do our best to criticize every fatuous belief while trying not to insult the individuals holding them. As certain hosts of the Atheist Experience have said at the end of some of their episodes, "theists, we don't hate you; we just think you're wrong."
BirdValiant Not all theists are intellectually handicapped, but it’s a bell curve and it would be nice to hear from the intelligent theists.
I think most of these people find a proof somewhere, become convinced its really good, due to poor reasoning, and then think that its some powerful answer to convince atheists.
The reason they get upset when their logic is destroyed because its like a personal attack on them. They thought this was rock solid and their intelligence was just questioned by being shown its a garbage argument.
Although it's true that theists can be booksmart and educationally accomplished, calling in to "prove" a god exists is very much an 89-IQ thing .
Matt lets his real feelings show - and the caller gets a deserved chewing out
He's pushing intelligent design, but instead of just saying it; he Waltzes around it for 20minutes..
He was pretty blatant about saying he was pushing intelligent design. It was less like "waltzing" and more like "stumbling" through an attempt at making a coherent fine tuning argument.
Tbf it's hard to classify or describe "arguments" like... "Allright, and I'm saying that that would be not be to be seeing viewing prey from the ground, but from the sky, which would go back to the wings. But in any case the second piece of evidence is that the reason for death is an intelligent one"
It's borderline nonsensical gibberish.
Having a "serious" conversation with this dult is the funniest thing I have seen in weeks. It's like arguing Apples with farm equipment.
There is a name for a claim for which no empirical evidence can be provided. It's called "unfalsifiable" and it is the reason why those claims do not hold up.
Do you claim that life evolved from some ooze of chemicals and light?
@@humboldthammer minerals.
@@johnathancerda8976 Is that your empirical evidence? Has it been duplicated in a laboratory setting and reviewed by your peers?
humboldthammer yes it has. scientists have shown that the building blocks to life (amino acids) can come about naturally in conditions similar to those in an early earth. Does that prove that life started that way...no, but it proves it’s possible. So arguments like “I just can’t believe life came about from goo by accident” are ridiculous because we’ve shown that it can.
@@humboldthammer yea i believe they put the same minerals im a little ecosystem and life turned up.
Matt is actually quite nice and polite
Best one I've seen. Dragnaut is just chill af. You can tell when his mind is going wtf but he's still just chill lol. No one's gonna tell me either not to swear. I think this is the calmest I've seen Matt stay up till the caller freaked out. Omg way to funny, this caller had no clue about debating.
Just rewatched this. Matt bent over backwards to help this caller think logically and lay out his argument but the caller could not see it for the life of him. “You keep interrupting” - yes, for clarification. Clarification needs to be reached at the time the statement is made. The only other option would be to go back and attempt to clarify every single thing that was said afterwards, confusing the entire discussion. You don’t vomit up a bunch of points at people and expect it to be clear - especially when you’ve never done this before and Matt agreed to help you work through it right from the get go.
This is Matt at his most patient. And I wouldn’t expect him to be any more so.
My toaster could make a better argument. A grand Yule to all in Austin.
Just by virtue of its existence, your toaster is an entity more worthy of worship as a creator . . . of toast.
@@xmillion1704 Heathen! My refrigerator is the only true god, for it yields miracles--the prolonged preservation of food, which cannot be achieved by natural means and thus can only be regarded as a supernatural feat. Bow down before the mighty fridge god or you'll go to toaster hell reigned by toaster the prince of darkness, where you'll be forced to eat nothing but toast for meal throughout eternity!
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d - Are you sure? I swear that I heard that the first commandment: "Though shalt have no other appliances before me." was an interpolation, added later by an ancient refrigidarian sect. You could be right, I guess.
I do know, however, that my can opener is a demon. Of that I'm sure.
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d and burned toasts at that. Throughout eternity!
A Festivus for the rest of us in Austin. Bring out that aluminum pole before the Airing of Grievances.
He’s trying so hard. Technically the reason for death is punishment for eating the fruit according to the Bible. Adam and Eve’s lifespan was not defined until they broke the rule
Yes it wasn't defined but there was a tree of everlasting life in the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve were free to eat the fruit of that tree.
and here I thought death was brought about through the natural process of aging and oxidation, shit wearing out and wearing down, hmmph.
@@markcostello5120 Pictures of that "Tree of everlasting life"?
X Million. What makes one withold from thinking God created that proces?
@@aeronautisch - One's lack of belief in a god's existence, due to insufficient evidence warranting such a belief.
What makes one withhold from believing it was a universe shitting schmerzzeled gafxmierxzlblart that belongs to a little old lalien on the dark side of the moon?
I love the laughing in the background. The Channel should consider studio audience.
This dude was playing checkers while Matt and Drag were playing 4D chess
The dude was fingerpainting with his feet
And he got beaten by a chicken
Drag with the facepalm through the whole conversation. Lol.. I feel your pain.
When Steve Wright phones in to the Atheist Experience and he sounds even more surreal (ie. stoned) than normal.
I can prove Thor exists, there are hammers everywhere.
Proberly one of the best callers I've heard on the show so far
This poor fella thought up a few things when he was stoned, didn't really think them through and then said to himself, 'yeah, that's a good reason why god probably exists'
Sometimes I avoid these longer clips that take up more of my time, but I'm glad I took a chance on sitting through this one--it was hilariously entertaining watching "A. Radical" get utterly owned by Matt and Dragnauct, who's also great!
"Well, that's because you're helping me fail."
When Matt put him on hold he was destroying his moms basement.
Teaching people to how to reason and build up an argument, going so far as to ‘take your hand’ and lead you one step at the time
If there was no death, how would you define over-population? If there was no death, obviously life would be very different. If there was no death, what need would there be for reproduction? Whatever life was on the planet would have had to come about through some means, and then just never die. There was no indication that the guy was even talking about human life. What if there was no death, but the world was covered with single-celled organisms? Would they reproduce sexually? Would they stop multiplying if the supply of nutrients ran out? Since there is death, you would necessarily have to define life very differently to support a proposition of there being no death, since we have no idea what that looks like.
And even then, I still can't see how that somehow demonstrates a God. "If there was no death, there would be overpopulation." Okay...go on? Whose to say that death was an intention? What kind of argument is that? It's mind-boggling that theist callers still call in to say absolutely nothing.
'Intelligence can ONLY come from intelligence.'
'Who created the original intelligence?'
'Nothing.'
If god always existed, why didn't he create our earth, more than 6000 years ago ? Too busy, waiting on the bus ... or ?
" "Hi, you're through to Atheist Experience, a question before you start, do you smoke a lot of weed?'
'Uh.....um....uh.....yeah, I guess...'
'Goodbye' "
But then there wouldn't be a show...
Stupid people don’t become smart when they smoke weed, although they may think so. Nor do smart people become stupid when they smoke. Don’t inject weed into whether someone is smart or stupid. I’ll have any conversation at all while stoned, and hold my own