@@dog4mike Perfect use of the word irony as it emphasizes the futility of asking atheists questions related to what they have no knowledge of or experienced. Epic fail on your end....try again....
Observation and measurement. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
Exactly what I was thinking. And he called just to point out how ridiculous Matt is for not believing in God, but too wasted to articulate the clever & condescending points he imagined the minute before he called to talk to "The Matt."
@@valivali8104 Take yours. Using shapes to communicate are you? Are you imagining those or do I see them objectively? Guess I'll pretend I'm blind so I don't have to agree with a simple drawn shape relation.
I believed because my mother told me so. But when my turn came to teach my kids I did my due diligence and reviewed everything I was taught and came up empty.
Hi. Yet, sure as hell, pardon the pun, when talking with believers you will run into this thing of going around in circles ⭕ while they will usually quote their favorite scriptures but not really stay on track with the question/subject raised.
From everything he said it seems that his only reason to believe is that people don’t lie. And people do lie. So why does he believe? We’ll never know. It seems like he just really wants to find someone he admires and follow what they do, just relinquishing the responsibility of thinking critically.
He believes because it makes him feel smarter/better so he’s desperately throwing out ANYTHING that he thinks proves him right. He’s just a narcissistic brat. Well I know you won’t believe me no matter what. Well you’ve decided everything is a lie. Well you think countries come from nothing. Well you just want to be mean to me.
" Why do you believe in a god? " Why is this such a difficult question for theists? You'd think this would be among the easiest questions a believer could possibly answer. I find it mind boggling that someone could be dedicate their entire life to a particular idea yet not be able to give a single reason why.
" Why do you believe in a god? " >>> Glad you asked. I'm the correct person to answer. We "KNOW" and "UNDERSTAND" IN REAL TIME what we actually observe. Physics proves the decay of all matter. All matter/life in the universe (including any multiverse) is contiguous/under the same laws/LOSING INFORMATION/decaying in disorder and goes only in one direction: bad to worse. We can use the human being as an example. Over time, we don't evolve or remain neutral; we LOSE our youthful energy, we LOSE our 20/20 vision & some or all of our hearing. we LOSE our health all the way to our end (heat death). NEVER IS THERE ANY NEW INFORMATION. In every moment of our life, we don’t gain information, but we decay/experience a relentless loss of INFORMATION and we are DYING, as part of FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy). The truth (God, Creation, The Bible) doesn't fail; we fail. The flesh is total failure. We fail/sin and we need a savior, because sin = death = absence of God: "He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." - Colossians 1:17 NOTE: Without God, you have nothing holding EVERYTHING together. Proof of God is easy. Humans, chickens & horses have had the same anatomy for 10,000 yrs. There’s not going to be SUDDEN NEW ANATOMY (evolution) appear before your eyes. There's no such thing as NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution). That’s why NONE of it has ever been observed or proved to be possible. That means there’s no such thing as “natural processes” adding NEW INFORMATION. EVERYTHING is dying, therefore our cause has to be a NON-DYING, INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL entity (God). There’s no other option. And God takes credit for creation (finite time/space/matter/energy) in the very first verse of the Bible (see below). It’d be cause to pause, if atheists had a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, but they don’t. That’s because God is real. “In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) & the earth (matter/energy).” - Genesis 1:1 SUMMARY: God is real. GENESIS is true. God created all matter with a set amount of INFORMATION & since the curse of Adam, that INFORMATION does nothing but decay. We have TEMPORARY free will for +/- 70 yrs to either accept the savior or choose hell. Some say that God can't be proved, but God is proved by what we observe: Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 1) I didn't ask anything. I was making reference to the conversation in the above video. 2) in absolutely no way, shape or form did i invite you to debate or accept an invitation to debate with you. 3) you're out of your fucking mind if you think i care enough about you or what you think to read that novel you just wrote. Only a troll would begin a conversation with that bullshit.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 I'm really sorry for having to answer you in a much shorter and concise manner but I simply don't have the time to go through all of your comment point by point so I'll just summarise. All you did was make assertions from the bible and misrepresent science. (Not to mention the appeal to emotions.) None of what you said actually proves anything, you are simply stating WHAT you believe not WHY you believe.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 Sorry the book you are quoting from proves the Jesus character within it is a liar, charlatan and false prophet and even tells you how to identify one? Deuteronomy 18-21-22 and Mathew 21-21-22. There you have it. Irrefutable proof that the book you claim to get your information from is superstitious nonsense. Hope that helps...
@@borthwrenblanston6632 You believe in the hilarious Adam and Eve STORY which can’t be proved and is FICTION as far as I’m concerned. That’s enough for me not to believe a word you say. You STILL haven’t proved ‘God’ as well.
Did a lie change history? To ask this question means that if he looked at history, he memorized dates and did not look at causes. Heck, WWII was based on a leader that lied and convinced followers.
"Did a lie change history? To ask this question means". that's unboxing a LOT. Letter Jj, is only 550 year's old, final form made by German grammarian, Gian G. Trissino, 1524.
@@j.christie2594 What YOU missed was I was pointing out ONE time a lie impacted history, not pointing out all the things that led to WWII or the entire history of the Germanic peoples.
I feel genuinely bad for this caller, it's obvious (to me I may be wrong) that religion has stunted his ability to think through his belief and make him rely on people he thinks are smarter than he his by default
Let's both try that then. First we need to sacrifice the Deity argument. With it erased we can ask a beginning question of each other when we gather. Do we see the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
@@whatsittouya1937 The whole middle way, you know its picture. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
Do you know a way to find truth? Caller: 18:45 "not really". Not Really, take a moment and let that sink in. If you can't demonstrate truth, don't go around believing things to be true, there are way too many poorly thought out ideas being proclaimed as true. Pay attention to what is real. And, as a good heuristic, ignore inherent contradictions.
John trying to understand skepticism & research. Matt started asking questions and his faith and religion didn’t give him answers so he fallowed his logic and reasoning to uncover the truth.
Clearly the caller doesn’t want the truth and rejects any credible evidence that weakens his position. Gods don’t need talking apes to defend them. But imaginary ones do. LOL 😝
How Dare you refuse to retain belief in formulas that im psychologically Dependent on! How can you possibly reject my childish neediness for a cosmic daddy.Something must be very Wrong with you!( snivel...)
@@amandacogger3075 im not really a big fan of the violin or of indirect comments that are evasive little insults,try again! as your communication skills are iffy...
It's not surprising that people that have believed this stuff all their lives, been told over and over, to believe no matter what, because your soul is at stake. Fear! That emotion is the main reason people will go to their grave believing in this nonsense. When it's always shoved right in their face everyday that there is no way a God, that they call wonderful, amazing, superior, and we should fear him. Would do anything such as burning the people who literally did everything! It's not moral, nor does it make any sense. Their entire logic behind their beliefs are so backwards and ridiculous. And they are so scared of death and hell, that they won't see the obvious. It's scary, but fascinating. Guy wants to find truth. Then all he has to do is rid himself of the continuous bias of a belief that was imprinted in his mind. Then when they see that the reality is there, that their whole life was waisted, and now what!? These would be the people that scare me. Because they could be the people that say "Fuck this! I've been lied to all my life, and the people that indoctrinated me, they don't have to suffer the consequences, so I'm going to keep the world from being happy and relieved that hell isn't a fear now."
Truth is, they DON'T believe it. They are desperately trying to convince themselves that it's true and it all makes perfect sense because the alternative is unthinkable. They literally dare not have that thought. The sad thing is that if they did, they'd suddenly find themselves free of the fear. It's that childhood fear of the darkness thing. When you finally dare to face it you see there's nothing there.
@@qwadratix I agree with that sentiment. If they believed in the Word they would observe the Words image to gather together. Do we observe that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together? To agree by its Whole image we need to Sacrifice the Deity argument.
@@qwadratix Let me give you a drawn example. Sacrifice the Deity argument. The Words Whole image: Kneel to trace picture on Earth. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth. By relating the Words shape we begin through agreement, following the arguments Sacrifice. As we both decide to wholly agree or argue separated.
We feel as if someone measures the same whole way its a positive. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
@@tannergoodman8029 I'm trying to reach the Word measure with someone else, for the beginning. As we add a Whole relationship to the Whole Words middle way we see GOOD expanded from its Whole contracted image together. As we draw the first and last of the Word into its Whole middle measure for a Whole halved once squared twice to the right for its: Time 12-3-6 Time, times 12x-3-6 Time, times and half a time 1/2x-3-6 Additional elements from the table: 12 Magnesium 3 Lithium 6 Carbon 1 Hydrogen One clock wise cycle out of many observed and measured from drawing the Words Whole understanding together. It requires a Sacrifice, that being the removal of the argued value from the Word, the Deity erased for the Whole measure. I also thought about the English connection that seems to limit its Holy age until I measured further. The Word GOD is Holy: Life is a Whole held by a short line and up by a long line. Truth is a long line crossed by a short line. Way is a long line toward a Whole image. Those three pictures come from Egyptian Hieroglyphs. While the time and periodic element measure might seem imaginary its done by drawing the Word GOD together, as it gives something to objectively measure together. We all can observe the Words O measure, as it belongs to the Holy Word. Of course we could measure others, but they don't have a Whole middle way to take together. It isn't my Word or design. I come with no evidence but the word GOD to observe. I make no subjective magical claims. The motivation is for the sides to measure together, not idolatry. And No. I don't think it's insane to measure GOD together without its argument. Isn't that sacrifice necessary, being in the way of agreement?
@@tannergoodman8029 A Beautiful mind is a great film, agreed. It's story provides an example of the cost of thinking for everyone's sake. Mental Health is important.
No, he just thinks he can get somewhere by kissing Matt's ass. I know a man that does the same with me. He says You're so smart, right before he says something stupid and offensive.
0:32 "Faith is like math." The look on Forrest's face says it all. As an atheist mathematician, I can tell you for a fact that faith and mathematics have no common ground.
He mentioned studying history, if you study history you find civilizations that lived throughout the time of Noah's flood. You find no evidence of a worldwide flood. The entire Moses story has no evidence outside of the bible. So where does it leave us????? With the same view points as Greek and Roman mythology
John cannot fathom how an intelligent person can be convinced of a lie. The answer is that everyone can become smarter. If you learn something new, you become smarter. If you re-evaluate something you thought was true on find out the reasons why it's true or why it's false, you're now smarter. If you learn to use your reason better, you become smarter. John seems to be lacking this basic knowledge.
No, if you learn something new, you just know something you previuosly didn't. You might be able to use that knowledge to further understand something, or undertake some work or research etc. But you aren't any smarter. You may decide to do things a 'smarter' way. Your basic intellectual level won't really change. Other than a child growing up and learning, maturing though.
@@stevelloyd5785 That's just a matter of what you mean with "being smart". Becoming able to do things in a smarter way to me means becoming smarter, while you consider it the potential of the mind in a more abstract way. Baseline is, you can be the smartest person on the planet on a subject and a moron in another until learn more about it, becoming then smarter over all. Or with your definition you can be smart enough to learn a smarter way to do things, or you lack that potential because you're not smart enough. Once we agree on a definition, we can talk, but don't impose your definition on what I said. You understood what I said and that's what's important.
Yeah Matt, why would you study something you believed in and then change your mind when you realized there was no real reason to continue believing in it? /s I swear, being this ignorant should cause people physical discomfort. At least a headache.
I wish people were better at explaining themselves. I guess maybe people get nervous about being on air, or they just aren't very good at expressing themselves. I think John was trying to say that he can't understand how a smart person would arrive at the conclusion that God doesn't exist. Which is funny because I can't understand how a smart person would arrive at the conclusion that he does.
That's exactly how I interpreted this. He was begging Matt to say Yes, John. It's all a lie and I think you have figured that out. Please stop believing. .... He wants someone to deconvert for him lmao
It appears to me that the caller cannot accept the fact that Matt stopped believing after doing al that studying and research. Why would a smart people not believe in "god!"
I used to come for Matt only. Now I come for Matt and hopefully he is paired with Forrest. I am hoping if Matt ever leaves Forrest will be the replacement and paired with another ex believer that knows the Bible like Matt does. Matt and Forrest are beast. Forrest is high as a kite and I am starting to wonder if Matt smokes too. That would just make me so happy to think of these two smoking a bone together waiting for the filming to start and getting ready to take calls together. Lol I don't smoke anymore because of probation but in 6 months my time yo sit it out will be done and I will be back to smoking and reading on my front porch at the beach, watering plants in between with these videos playing every time they are aired It's how I want yo retire. Call it unproductive but it is how I want to die.
This is a strange advert before the video. An attractive Eastern European woman trying to sell me night dresses and pajamas. Makes a change from the adverts for Jesus 🤔🙂😉
John is genuinely so funny, he's a silly little goofball. I really feel bad for Forest and Matt because they actually had to try and take him seriously. I would of ended up laughing everytime he started talking or just fucked with him the whole time.
Dont forget to use a condom. Stay safe and put a rubber on it, you never know with those religious people who refuse to go to the hospital when they have something so who knows what bio-hazard their carrying down there.
The guy constantly talks over replies he's given and instead of answering questions himself, he changes the subject, going back to his original assertions. Slippery and dishonest.
"You studied, you thought about it, and what I'm saying is, to begin with, starting out, you believed it..." JUST. FUCKING. SAY. SOMETHING. THAT MEANS. ANYTHING. PLEASE.
Modern humans have been around for... maybe 200k years. We have only had some kind of rational explanation for our experience for about .1% of that time. Additionally our coherence as a society depends on some proportion of our society being followers. Imagine a society where everyone was trying to assert their own ideas instead of going with the flow. Our collective mind has evolved to accept irrational group think because before science, it served a function. We can't expect society to suddenly snap forward, there is a momentum to overcome. To me the caller seemed genuinely confused, or stoned..., but the bullheadedness and confusion I hear from callers on this show doesn't surprise me. For the above reasons I think it's built into many of us. I appreciate the compassion and politeness in which this caller was handled. Edit: Atheist for 20+ years
Exactly my view. Unfortunately I don't see what we're doing to change the collective mindset going forward. With a concerted effort, would take generations; at the rate we're going, it will never change - we remain hostages of that absolecent mindset.
I have a lot of free time- and I started looking online and I see things and lots of people believe in my religion🙄. Is that your reason? Really we are listening it’s the whole point of this show- call in with good evidence, you will find if you present a good sound documented testable reason you will probably make millions of dollars and be on a show much bigger than the atheist experience and we will support you- get to it!!
I think that might be John's problem, not enough study and free thought.The formation of the American constitution is an interesting start .John needs to read "The rights of man, "by Thomas Pain.
I've been watching this show for years. Why are so, SO many of these calls so infuriating? None of these goddamned people can directly answer a question.
Even as an adult, I didn't always realize this, but the difference between someone who is interested in and studies history, and someone who becomes a historian is MASSIVE. And even after learning things like how to use and cite sources, there is still so much more than that which I still don't and probably will never have.
Feel sorry for the caller? Says the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
The moment this call started going pear shaped... when the caller began mindreading Matt and embuing qualities on him ("you ARE a historian"!), rather than actually addressing the topic and the questions asked. He called to attempt to convert Matt back, or preach!
I feel really bad for the caller. Matt and Forrest are so used to confrontation that I think they missed what this guy needed. I genuinely think the call was a cry for help from someone who's been gaslit into distrusting his own reason. He wanted someone who he had discovered and decided was a Very Clever Man to walk him through the next steps he needed to take in deconstructing his faith. It felt like a kid asking their maths teacher why the internal angles of a triangle sum to 180 degrees, and the maths teacher pointing at a proof on the wall that the kid can't follow. He knows Matt did the research and the thinking, but he needs some of those steps explained. I hope he learns about safe spaces where he can explore these ideas without getting steamrollered by pastors pushing him back to faith, or getting challenged and a little bit attacked by atheists who are bringing black-belt sparring to a white-belted kid who's wandered in asking if he can learn too.
What's the right amount of repetition? (For me? very little.) Matt is smart. Can be acknowledged. Then move to a point. Maybe later, edifice is being built., much has been said. Matt's smartness might be dropped in. Then. Move. The F. On. "You're smart. So much smarter than me..." (I). 5x. Useless, counterproductive and annoying. And the pauses!
Seems like many theists have a 'mental block' when questioning their Religious god belief. Years of Church conditioning and re-enforcement in childhood is probably what makes it so hard for many still to break out of it. Perhaps maybe that is what the caller John was trying to ask as to how Matt no longer believed. Reason or no reason may not have been enough as an explanation for the caller. IF this is what John was trying to get at, it doesn't help when he was being dishonest and being slightly condescending. The good news however, Church attendants regardless of the pandemic we had, continues to shrink so that aspect of Religious re-enforcement is definitely lessening.
John. You've "seen about fallacies"? Check Argument from Personal Incredulity. You have WAY too much incredulity. (In that sense, Not enough in others.)Aimed in the wrong direction.
john here keeps saying matt is a smart guy.. but he only considers matt smart when he was still a christian.. "you're a smart guy(because he was a christian in the past), but(now an atheist)..."
"I'm just saying Isreal's there." No John. You are saying that and figuring we will take your title and fill in the whole argument for you. Which we can, btw, cuzx we've heard it 100x. You are trying to say "Isreal is there...miraculously, as foretod 3k years ago. And the only explanation is Divine Cheat Sheet." You list nouns. And pause. "Allowing us to consider" the natural next points. We know well many of the steps 2-5 you figure are obvious. And we have more possibilities. We contrast and compare them. Before your pause is finished. Or we haven't a clue. And the pauses are annoying. Do we have to ask nicely for another clue? The reasons you gave are vapid. Your intros seldom lead to a point. It's a talk show. And it's Matt. Don't meander. Why you believe isn't because you have free time. And spend it on "the Internet". And you read about x and y.
It's not hard to admit you have made a mistake in your thinking, and then change it to make your thoughts match the way you feel, it's better than ignoring things it just makes things way worse
Ancient Egypt was very much founded on religion. They believed the Pharo was devine. And they nation was very advanced for it's time, had great effects and changes on the world, and existed for FAR longer than America has. Is that proof that the Egyptian gods are real? Because certainly such an advanced and long lived nation couldn't have been founded on a lie. Right????
John is on a loop....Very pleased tk hear Forrest say he saw through "business schools" something a vanishingly small number of people seem to be able to do.
John is a horrible communicator. If he didn't intend to sound totally sarcastic while he was talking, he failed. He didn't actually listen to Matt, otherwise he'd not have asked the same question over and over. He couldn't really put together a coherent thought. "Did a lie change the world like this?" Yes, add to that forced conversions, politics, peer pressure, indoctrination... If John studied history, he totally failed to actually learn any of it.
This is basically, 'why do you not believe what I believe because I'm smart and I read the same book as you and I still believe so why don't you'? Arrogance in the extreme.
Why? All atheist ideas have been debunked. Thus, you need to face the music. Atheism is the very definition of "being lost & clueless." You can't disprove God, nor do you have a factual basis for your atheism. You're religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. You have no RATIONAL, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE. And because you reject these very large "RED FLAGS," it's crystal clear that you have a God bias.
@@hrhprophetessofdarknesssex5784 No, I'm the best. It's hilarious that no atheist comes to these threads and brags that they can't be defeated in debate on these threads. That's because only Christians come here in "CERTAINTY." All the atheist has is their God bias & guesses that have all been debunked.
@Ene Hi. Funny way to put it, but sad listening to John wrestling with answering a question honestly and/or really being able to focus on what Matt was asking.
The Key to this video is to just watch Forrest's facial expressions and reactions to the caller. Because I did the same thing through this entire call.
Is it just me or is his voice...strange. Lol. Its eerie for some reason. Almost uncanny, like one of those AI robocallers that try really hard to convince you they are indeed real and not cold unfeeling code. I have no idea why, maybe his tone or cadence? It can't just be me..right? Lol
Second grade was the most difficult four years of John's life.
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Oof
Are you sure he got there?
@@sparki9085 Uncertain.
No need to be a dick.
That annoying guy at the bar after having a few beers.
Just talking to talking.
Yep, he was a friendly drunk.
Absolutely 💯 percent.
Bro's in CO. Perhaps the devil's lettuce was involved 😅
Ridiculous comment. Annoying guy after a LOT of beers lol
I'm in total agreement with John when he says Matt is smarter than he is.
sycophant, very tedious, he keeps repeating he is not smart: please spare us & call in sometime when feeling up to it
Got to love the irony of asking atheists questions related to the bible.
Like asking a bachelor how much he loves his wife.
@@John-uk8eo I don't think you understand the meaning of “irony”. Try again.
@@dog4mike
Perfect use of the word irony as it emphasizes the futility of asking atheists questions related to what they have no knowledge of or experienced.
Epic fail on your end....try again....
@@John-uk8eo please tell me you’re the same John that called the show.
"why don't you take my word for it".
"I'm almost inclined to do so"
"Well you shouldn't!"
Loved that set up
Forrest: "Do you know of any way to study and test the world around you?"
John: "... Not really"
Forrest's heart: *breaks*
I was disappointed when Forrest didn't say, "We call it science."
Observation and measurement.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a Whole measure.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
@@blondboozebaron NOPE
@Michael Martin - Stop dropping acid and reading the Bible, numb-nuts. Look what that did for Charles Manson.
@@blondboozebaron so dogs are holy?
When word salad meets a Turing test.
watching Forrest being so animated listening to John is great lol
Absolutely. Forrest hasn’t said a word yet, but I’m captivated.
He’d be useless playing poker 😂😂😂
Just watching Forrests facial expressions in this one is a mix of pure comedy gold and Greek drama
How drunk was this caller? It's hard enough to debate a theist, but debating a drunk theist? Matt and Forrest are incredibly patient men.
Exactly what I was thinking. And he called just to point out how ridiculous Matt is for not believing in God, but too wasted to articulate the clever & condescending points he imagined the minute before he called to talk to "The Matt."
Do we observe that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
By hitting the restart we Sacrifice the Deity argument.
Who observes that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
@@blondboozebaron take your meds... 🙄🤦♀️
@@valivali8104
Take yours. Using shapes to communicate are you?
Are you imagining those or do I see them objectively?
Guess I'll pretend I'm blind so I don't have to agree with a simple drawn shape relation.
I believed because my mother told me so. But when my turn came to teach my kids I did my due diligence and reviewed everything I was taught and came up empty.
impressive!
when john says it's crazy to study something, that screams volumes about his mindset.
It also says something about religion though: if a future priest needs to study, but his followers dont, apparently ... why is that ?
Caller slowly, confusingly, thoughtlessly............... says nothing.
This caller is so annoying!!! Answer the damn questions when you are asked!!!!
They physically can't. As soon as they do their cognitive dissonance collapses.
I have never heard such a long discussion with no real point (by the caller).
my feelings exactly.
Hi. Yet, sure as hell, pardon the pun, when talking with believers you will run into this thing of going around in circles ⭕ while they will usually quote their favorite scriptures but not really stay on track with the question/subject raised.
Let's point to the Words middle way.
Do you see that the Word GOD has a Whole relation from its middle way?
From everything he said it seems that his only reason to believe is that people don’t lie. And people do lie. So why does he believe? We’ll never know. It seems like he just really wants to find someone he admires and follow what they do, just relinquishing the responsibility of thinking critically.
He believes because it makes him feel smarter/better so he’s desperately throwing out ANYTHING that he thinks proves him right. He’s just a narcissistic brat.
Well I know you won’t believe me no matter what.
Well you’ve decided everything is a lie.
Well you think countries come from nothing.
Well you just want to be mean to me.
He speaks in such a f*ing condescending manner, I'm surprised Matt was so patient.
Its the rule of reciprocity
He starts by comending matt and keeps on doing it every now and then so matt is inclined to do the same
I didn't see any condescension, just stupidity.
John wasn't condescending at all.
Sounds wasted
I think that's called being pissed drunk.
" Why do you believe in a god? "
Why is this such a difficult question for theists? You'd think this would be among the easiest questions a believer could possibly answer. I find it mind boggling that someone could be dedicate their entire life to a particular idea yet not be able to give a single reason why.
" Why do you believe in a god? "
>>> Glad you asked. I'm the correct person to answer. We "KNOW" and "UNDERSTAND" IN REAL TIME what we actually observe. Physics proves the decay of all matter. All matter/life in the universe (including any multiverse) is contiguous/under the same laws/LOSING INFORMATION/decaying in disorder and goes only in one direction: bad to worse. We can use the human being as an example. Over time, we don't evolve or remain neutral; we LOSE our youthful energy, we LOSE our 20/20 vision & some or all of our hearing. we LOSE our health all the way to our end (heat death). NEVER IS THERE ANY NEW INFORMATION. In every moment of our life, we don’t gain information, but we decay/experience a relentless loss of INFORMATION and we are DYING, as part of FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy).
The truth (God, Creation, The Bible) doesn't fail; we fail. The flesh is total failure. We fail/sin and we need a savior, because sin = death = absence of God:
"He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." - Colossians 1:17
NOTE: Without God, you have nothing holding EVERYTHING together.
Proof of God is easy. Humans, chickens & horses have had the same anatomy for 10,000 yrs. There’s not going to be SUDDEN NEW ANATOMY (evolution) appear before your eyes. There's no such thing as NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution). That’s why NONE of it has ever been observed or proved to be possible. That means there’s no such thing as “natural processes” adding NEW INFORMATION.
EVERYTHING is dying, therefore our cause has to be a NON-DYING, INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL entity (God). There’s no other option. And God takes credit for creation (finite time/space/matter/energy) in the very first verse of the Bible (see below). It’d be cause to pause, if atheists had a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, but they don’t. That’s because God is real.
“In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) & the earth (matter/energy).” - Genesis 1:1
SUMMARY: God is real. GENESIS is true. God created all matter with a set amount of INFORMATION & since the curse of Adam, that INFORMATION does nothing but decay.
We have TEMPORARY free will for +/- 70 yrs to either accept the savior or choose hell. Some say that God can't be proved, but God is proved by what we observe:
Jesus loves you dearly & has shown you this love by bringing you from non-existence & giving you “the gift of life.” And did you say “thank you?” No. He also removed your doom via the sin of Adam by the suffering on the cross for you. And did you say “thank you?” No. He’s also “prepared a place for you in Heaven” if you’ll only return his love that’s already given you. And did you say “thank you?” No. Again, it’s the “love” of Jesus for people is what attracts them to Christianity. Your move, Chief.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 1) I didn't ask anything. I was making reference to the conversation in the above video. 2) in absolutely no way, shape or form did i invite you to debate or accept an invitation to debate with you. 3) you're out of your fucking mind if you think i care enough about you or what you think to read that novel you just wrote. Only a troll would begin a conversation with that bullshit.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 I'm really sorry for having to answer you in a much shorter and concise manner but I simply don't have the time to go through all of your comment point by point so I'll just summarise.
All you did was make assertions from the bible and misrepresent science. (Not to mention the appeal to emotions.)
None of what you said actually proves anything, you are simply stating WHAT you believe not WHY you believe.
@@borthwrenblanston6632 Sorry the book you are quoting from proves the Jesus character within it is a liar, charlatan and false prophet and even tells you how to identify one?
Deuteronomy 18-21-22 and Mathew 21-21-22.
There you have it.
Irrefutable proof that the book you claim to get your information from is superstitious nonsense.
Hope that helps...
@@borthwrenblanston6632 You believe in the hilarious Adam and Eve STORY which can’t be proved and is FICTION as far as I’m concerned. That’s enough for me not to believe a word you say. You STILL haven’t proved ‘God’ as well.
Did a lie change history? To ask this question means that if he looked at history, he memorized dates and did not look at causes. Heck, WWII was based on a leader that lied and convinced followers.
"Did a lie change history? To ask this question means". that's unboxing a LOT. Letter Jj, is only 550 year's old, final form made by German grammarian, Gian G. Trissino, 1524.
@@j.christie2594 what does that have to do with my comment. I didn't say all history is a lie, I said liars have changed history.
@@randolphphillips3104 I was pointing to something that lead to WW2. Some angle, your not aware.
@@j.christie2594 What YOU missed was I was pointing out ONE time a lie impacted history, not pointing out all the things that led to WWII or the entire history of the Germanic peoples.
Maybe the truth can fix it.
Do we observe that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
Calls like these are my guilty pleasure. They're so funny.
I feel genuinely bad for this caller, it's obvious (to me I may be wrong) that religion has stunted his ability to think through his belief and make him rely on people he thinks are smarter than he his by default
Same, If I was in the call with them I'd have to mute because of how hard I started laughing lmaoo
Better off believing an uncomfortable truth than a comforting lie.
Let's both try that then.
First we need to sacrifice the Deity argument.
With it erased we can ask a beginning question of each other when we gather.
Do we see the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
@@blondboozebaron NOPE
@@blondboozebaron wtaf?
@@blondboozebaron ...what?
@@whatsittouya1937
The whole middle way, you know its picture.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a Whole measure.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
John is a very confused person
Very very very confused 😬
Do you know a way to find truth? Caller: 18:45 "not really".
Not Really, take a moment and let that sink in. If you can't demonstrate truth, don't go around believing things to be true, there are way too many poorly thought out ideas being proclaimed as true.
Pay attention to what is real. And, as a good heuristic, ignore inherent contradictions.
John trying to understand skepticism & research. Matt started asking questions and his faith and religion didn’t give him answers so he fallowed his logic and reasoning to uncover the truth.
John uncovered that he's a very bad listener.
Except there is no "his logic", there's just logic. In the same way there's no "your truth".
If you want to know what false humility sounds like, just listen to this caller.
Clearly the caller doesn’t want the truth and rejects any credible evidence that weakens his position. Gods don’t need talking apes to defend them. But imaginary ones do. LOL 😝
How Dare you refuse to retain belief in formulas that im psychologically Dependent on! How can you possibly reject my childish neediness for a cosmic daddy.Something must be very Wrong with you!( snivel...)
@@johnd.shultz7423 would you like us to get out the violins lol
@@amandacogger3075 im not really a big fan of the violin or of indirect comments that are evasive little insults,try again! as your communication skills are iffy...
@@johnd.shultz7423 someone can't take a joke then
@@amandacogger3075 can you enlighten me as to what "the joke" is?
“You know what man…you ARE an historian.” Lmao what?!
Most times I get frustrated with Matt's impatient interruptions. With this guy, Matt was amazingly patient and Forest didn't have to say anything.
Flattery always convinces people.... no?
Used car salesman approach, it’s so slimy.
yer smert
This is why you don’t call the atheist experience high.
Nah this is why you watch the atheist experience high bc I can't imagine dealing with John while being sober LMAOO
My god John loves the sound of his own voice even when he has nothing to say.
Well, too be honest. This guy could narrate a really nice Winny The Pooh video ;P.
To be fair, so does Matt, except matt almost never has nothing to say.
“As if someone coming in to tell me how smart I am is gonna make me be nicer to them” lmaoooo I love Matt 😂😂
Forrest is so delightful. 😍
I absolutely LOVE watching Forrest try and follow this guy around the same circling drain, hoping desperately for some form of sense to manifest XD
The amount of condescending people who are convinced that the country was formed and based on Christianity is both frustrating, and frightening.
I know right
It's not surprising that people that have believed this stuff all their lives, been told over and over, to believe no matter what, because your soul is at stake. Fear! That emotion is the main reason people will go to their grave believing in this nonsense. When it's always shoved right in their face everyday that there is no way a God, that they call wonderful, amazing, superior, and we should fear him. Would do anything such as burning the people who literally did everything! It's not moral, nor does it make any sense. Their entire logic behind their beliefs are so backwards and ridiculous. And they are so scared of death and hell, that they won't see the obvious. It's scary, but fascinating. Guy wants to find truth. Then all he has to do is rid himself of the continuous bias of a belief that was imprinted in his mind. Then when they see that the reality is there, that their whole life was waisted, and now what!? These would be the people that scare me. Because they could be the people that say "Fuck this! I've been lied to all my life, and the people that indoctrinated me, they don't have to suffer the consequences, so I'm going to keep the world from being happy and relieved that hell isn't a fear now."
Truth is, they DON'T believe it. They are desperately trying to convince themselves that it's true and it all makes perfect sense because the alternative is unthinkable. They literally dare not have that thought.
The sad thing is that if they did, they'd suddenly find themselves free of the fear. It's that childhood fear of the darkness thing. When you finally dare to face it you see there's nothing there.
@@qwadratix
I agree with that sentiment.
If they believed in the Word they would observe the Words image to gather together.
Do we observe that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
To agree by its Whole image we need to Sacrifice the Deity argument.
@@blondboozebaron Why are you capitalizing random words? Apart from which, what you have written actually makes no coherent sense.
By relating the Word GOD to a Whole image the shape needs to be in truth.
Its Holy.
As W is two angles drawn together in its middle.
@@qwadratix
Let me give you a drawn example.
Sacrifice the Deity argument.
The Words Whole image:
Kneel to trace picture on Earth.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a Whole.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
By relating the Words shape we begin through agreement, following the arguments Sacrifice.
As we both decide to wholly agree or argue separated.
I enjoyed hearing Matt's reason for becoming atheist.
We feel as if someone measures the same whole way its a positive.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a Whole measure.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
@@blondboozebaron This is some Beautiful Mind level of reaching.
@@tannergoodman8029
I'm trying to reach the Word measure with someone else, for the beginning.
As we add a Whole relationship to the Whole Words middle way we see GOOD expanded from its Whole contracted image together.
As we draw the first and last of the Word into its Whole middle measure for a Whole halved once squared twice to the right for its:
Time 12-3-6
Time, times 12x-3-6
Time, times and half a time 1/2x-3-6
Additional elements from the table:
12 Magnesium
3 Lithium
6 Carbon
1 Hydrogen
One clock wise cycle out of many observed and measured from drawing the Words Whole understanding together.
It requires a Sacrifice, that being the removal of the argued value from the Word, the Deity erased for the Whole measure.
I also thought about the English connection that seems to limit its Holy age until I measured further.
The Word GOD is Holy:
Life is a Whole held by a short line and up by a long line.
Truth is a long line crossed by a short line.
Way is a long line toward a Whole image.
Those three pictures come from Egyptian Hieroglyphs.
While the time and periodic element measure might seem imaginary its done by drawing the Word GOD together, as it gives something to objectively measure together.
We all can observe the Words O measure, as it belongs to the Holy Word.
Of course we could measure others, but they don't have a Whole middle way to take together.
It isn't my Word or design.
I come with no evidence but the word GOD to observe.
I make no subjective magical claims.
The motivation is for the sides to measure together, not idolatry.
And No.
I don't think it's insane to measure GOD together without its argument.
Isn't that sacrifice necessary, being in the way of agreement?
@@tannergoodman8029
A Beautiful mind is a great film, agreed.
It's story provides an example of the cost of thinking for everyone's sake.
Mental Health is important.
Oh there's more now... goody.
I get the feeling John wants to worship Matt. He seems so enamored by Matt's intelligence.
No, he just thinks he can get somewhere by kissing Matt's ass. I know a man that does the same with me. He says You're so smart, right before he says something stupid and offensive.
That would be idolatry wouldn't it?
Not a word of a lie, that was my biggest take away from this
12 minutes in “what do you believe and why”
This guy “Matt, ur very smurt, and now you don’t bewieve, me no get why”
……okay John. Okay.
0:32 "Faith is like math." The look on Forrest's face says it all. As an atheist mathematician, I can tell you for a fact that faith and mathematics have no common ground.
I had to rewind to confirm. Yup! Love it.
Why don't you belive that 2 plus 2 = God??? 😂😂😂😂
He mentioned studying history, if you study history you find civilizations that lived throughout the time of Noah's flood. You find no evidence of a worldwide flood. The entire Moses story has no evidence outside of the bible. So where does it leave us????? With the same view points as Greek and Roman mythology
Theists calling TAE: “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain.”
show me you're a Christian who got really stoned without telling me.
Needs to cut down on the bongs
John cannot fathom how an intelligent person can be convinced of a lie. The answer is that everyone can become smarter. If you learn something new, you become smarter. If you re-evaluate something you thought was true on find out the reasons why it's true or why it's false, you're now smarter. If you learn to use your reason better, you become smarter. John seems to be lacking this basic knowledge.
No, if you learn something new, you just know something you previuosly didn't. You might be able to use that knowledge to further understand something, or undertake some work or research etc. But you aren't any smarter. You may decide to do things a 'smarter' way. Your basic intellectual level won't really change. Other than a child growing up and learning, maturing though.
@@stevelloyd5785 That's just a matter of what you mean with "being smart". Becoming able to do things in a smarter way to me means becoming smarter, while you consider it the potential of the mind in a more abstract way.
Baseline is, you can be the smartest person on the planet on a subject and a moron in another until learn more about it, becoming then smarter over all. Or with your definition you can be smart enough to learn a smarter way to do things, or you lack that potential because you're not smart enough.
Once we agree on a definition, we can talk, but don't impose your definition on what I said. You understood what I said and that's what's important.
Seeking the truth is insane? Not to seek the truth is insane surely
Oh my that was painful. John needs to go away and do some more thinking
7:39 - that moment when Forrest has to cover his mouth to hide his laughter 😂
Yeah Matt, why would you study something you believed in and then change your mind when you realized there was no real reason to continue believing in it? /s
I swear, being this ignorant should cause people physical discomfort. At least a headache.
I wish people were better at explaining themselves. I guess maybe people get nervous about being on air, or they just aren't very good at expressing themselves. I think John was trying to say that he can't understand how a smart person would arrive at the conclusion that God doesn't exist. Which is funny because I can't understand how a smart person would arrive at the conclusion that he does.
John wants to become athiest but he's afraid of letting go of his beliefs...obviously. And clearly he's a fan boy for Matt
That's exactly how I interpreted this. He was begging Matt to say Yes, John. It's all a lie and I think you have figured that out. Please stop believing. .... He wants someone to deconvert for him lmao
Do you believe that the Word GOD has a Whole middle way to measure together?
Sacrifice the Deity argument and look in truth.
It appears to me that the caller cannot accept the fact that Matt stopped believing after doing al that studying and research. Why would a smart people not believe in "god!"
I used to come for Matt only. Now I come for Matt and hopefully he is paired with Forrest. I am hoping if Matt ever leaves Forrest will be the replacement and paired with another ex believer that knows the Bible like Matt does. Matt and Forrest are beast. Forrest is high as a kite and I am starting to wonder if Matt smokes too. That would just make me so happy to think of these two smoking a bone together waiting for the filming to start and getting ready to take calls together. Lol
I don't smoke anymore because of probation but in 6 months my time yo sit it out will be done and I will be back to smoking and reading on my front porch at the beach, watering plants in between with these videos playing every time they are aired
It's how I want yo retire. Call it unproductive but it is how I want to die.
You called it lol
The look on Forest's face, "where the heck is this guy going?"
Priceless.
This is a strange advert before the video. An attractive Eastern European woman trying to sell me night dresses and pajamas.
Makes a change from the adverts for Jesus 🤔🙂😉
The adds for this channel are alway super different for me than the adds I receive from other channels.
I didn't get that commercial What the heck
@@oldcountryboy are you in the market for new night dresses and pajamas? 🙂😉
@@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 No but I was thinking maybe the girl was easy on the eyes
@@oldcountryboy I know what you were thinking Sweetie 🤭😏🙂😉
I can't stand the way this guy talks, his cadence, his tone, so condescending, so disingenuous.
Matt... I know you're a smart guy... repeat ad nauseam. I've known potatoes smarter than this guy.
🙄
Why are these Christians so adamant about not answering questions concisely? Not making their points concisely? Not doing ANYTHING concisely...?
Sophistry makes one forget they've been asked a question.
At 12:45 I had to check my phone to be sure I hadn’t hit the restart button. This John caller would be the most frustrating person to talk with.
Alcohol has pickled Johns brain.
John is genuinely so funny, he's a silly little goofball. I really feel bad for Forest and Matt because they actually had to try and take him seriously. I would of ended up laughing everytime he started talking or just fucked with him the whole time.
I was dying of laughter 😂
Dont forget to use a condom.
Stay safe and put a rubber on it, you never know with those religious people who refuse to go to the hospital when they have something so who knows what bio-hazard their carrying down there.
I love Forrest's look of total confusion.....blink blink...blink blink. Wait what?
The guy constantly talks over replies he's given and instead of answering questions himself, he changes the subject, going back to his original assertions. Slippery and dishonest.
"You studied, you thought about it, and what I'm saying is, to begin with, starting out, you believed it..."
JUST. FUCKING. SAY. SOMETHING. THAT MEANS. ANYTHING. PLEASE.
Modern humans have been around for... maybe 200k years. We have only had some kind of rational explanation for our experience for about .1% of that time. Additionally our coherence as a society depends on some proportion of our society being followers. Imagine a society where everyone was trying to assert their own ideas instead of going with the flow. Our collective mind has evolved to accept irrational group think because before science, it served a function. We can't expect society to suddenly snap forward, there is a momentum to overcome. To me the caller seemed genuinely confused, or stoned..., but the bullheadedness and confusion I hear from callers on this show doesn't surprise me. For the above reasons I think it's built into many of us. I appreciate the compassion and politeness in which this caller was handled.
Edit: Atheist for 20+ years
Exactly my view. Unfortunately I don't see what we're doing to change the collective mindset going forward. With a concerted effort, would take generations; at the rate we're going, it will never change - we remain hostages of that absolecent mindset.
I have a lot of free time- and I started looking online and I see things and lots of people believe in my religion🙄. Is that your reason? Really we are listening it’s the whole point of this show- call in with good evidence, you will find if you present a good sound documented testable reason you will probably make millions of dollars and be on a show much bigger than the atheist experience and we will support you- get to it!!
I think that might be John's problem, not enough study and free thought.The formation of the American constitution is an interesting start .John needs to read "The rights of man, "by Thomas Pain.
I disagree. In listening to John through the entire discussion it seemed apparent to that he just happens to be a 'not very smart' person.
Answer the question John...! For the love of no god...
"Israel's there?!"
Remember the fighting episode when Randy Marsh kept saying "What do you wanna do?"
Call screener's first question should be "from 1-10 how stoned are you?"
I've been watching this show for years. Why are so, SO many of these calls so infuriating? None of these goddamned people can directly answer a question.
Even as an adult, I didn't always realize this, but the difference between someone who is interested in and studies history, and someone who becomes a historian is MASSIVE. And even after learning things like how to use and cite sources, there is still so much more than that which I still don't and probably will never have.
Please go on a tour in the Northeast! I want to meet you so badly! You are the best Matt!
Without basic resurch and reasoning skills looking up information on the internet can lead to badly flawed conclusions.
It's hard to enjoy Matt's antics when you feel sorry for the caller.
Feel sorry for the caller? Says the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
Isreal was created in 1947 based upon traditional stories and lore. "Original" Israelites are not genetically different from Palestinians.
The moment this call started going pear shaped... when the caller began mindreading Matt and embuing qualities on him ("you ARE a historian"!), rather than actually addressing the topic and the questions asked. He called to attempt to convert Matt back, or preach!
I feel really bad for the caller. Matt and Forrest are so used to confrontation that I think they missed what this guy needed.
I genuinely think the call was a cry for help from someone who's been gaslit into distrusting his own reason. He wanted someone who he had discovered and decided was a Very Clever Man to walk him through the next steps he needed to take in deconstructing his faith.
It felt like a kid asking their maths teacher why the internal angles of a triangle sum to 180 degrees, and the maths teacher pointing at a proof on the wall that the kid can't follow. He knows Matt did the research and the thinking, but he needs some of those steps explained.
I hope he learns about safe spaces where he can explore these ideas without getting steamrollered by pastors pushing him back to faith, or getting challenged and a little bit attacked by atheists who are bringing black-belt sparring to a white-belted kid who's wandered in asking if he can learn too.
That was painful to listen to...
What's the right amount of repetition? (For me? very little.)
Matt is smart. Can be acknowledged. Then move to a point.
Maybe later, edifice is being built., much has been said. Matt's smartness might be dropped in. Then. Move. The F. On.
"You're smart. So much smarter than me..." (I). 5x. Useless, counterproductive and annoying.
And the pauses!
Seems like many theists have a 'mental block' when questioning their Religious god belief.
Years of Church conditioning and re-enforcement in childhood is probably what makes it so hard for many still to break out of it.
Perhaps maybe that is what the caller John was trying to ask as to how Matt no longer believed.
Reason or no reason may not have been enough as an explanation for the caller.
IF this is what John was trying to get at, it doesn't help when he was being dishonest and being slightly condescending.
The good news however, Church attendants regardless of the pandemic we had, continues to shrink so that aspect of Religious re-enforcement is definitely lessening.
John. You've "seen about fallacies"? Check Argument from Personal Incredulity.
You have WAY too much incredulity. (In that sense, Not enough in others.)Aimed in the wrong direction.
john here keeps saying matt is a smart guy.. but he only considers matt smart when he was still a christian.. "you're a smart guy(because he was a christian in the past), but(now an atheist)..."
"I'm just saying Isreal's there." No John. You are saying that and figuring we will take your title and fill in the whole argument for you. Which we can, btw, cuzx we've heard it 100x. You are trying to say "Isreal is there...miraculously, as foretod 3k years ago. And the only explanation is Divine Cheat Sheet."
You list nouns. And pause.
"Allowing us to consider" the natural next points. We know well many of the steps 2-5 you figure are obvious. And we have more possibilities. We contrast and compare them. Before your pause is finished.
Or we haven't a clue. And the pauses are annoying. Do we have to ask nicely for another clue?
The reasons you gave are vapid. Your intros seldom lead to a point. It's a talk show. And it's Matt. Don't meander. Why you believe isn't because you have free time.
And spend it on "the Internet".
And you read about x and y.
It's not hard to admit you have made a mistake in your thinking, and then change it to make your thoughts match the way you feel, it's better than ignoring things it just makes things way worse
Ancient Egypt was very much founded on religion. They believed the Pharo was devine. And they nation was very advanced for it's time, had great effects and changes on the world, and existed for FAR longer than America has. Is that proof that the Egyptian gods are real? Because certainly such an advanced and long lived nation couldn't have been founded on a lie. Right????
John is on a loop....Very pleased tk hear Forrest say he saw through "business schools" something a vanishingly small number of people seem to be able to do.
John is a horrible communicator. If he didn't intend to sound totally sarcastic while he was talking, he failed. He didn't actually listen to Matt, otherwise he'd not have asked the same question over and over. He couldn't really put together a coherent thought.
"Did a lie change the world like this?"
Yes, add to that forced conversions, politics, peer pressure, indoctrination... If John studied history, he totally failed to actually learn any of it.
Forrest's face @7:36 is priceless. 🤣
This is basically, 'why do you not believe what I believe because I'm smart and I read the same book as you and I still believe so why don't you'? Arrogance in the extreme.
I just watched an awesome video by Sir Sic 🙋🏼♀️😎 I recommend that everyone goes and watches it.
Why? All atheist ideas have been debunked. Thus, you need to face the music. Atheism is the very definition of "being lost & clueless." You can't disprove God, nor do you have a factual basis for your atheism. You're religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. You have no RATIONAL, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE. And because you reject these very large "RED FLAGS," it's crystal clear that you have a God bias.
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@@hrhprophetessofdarknesssex5784 No, I'm the best. It's hilarious that no atheist comes to these threads and brags that they can't be defeated in debate on these threads. That's because only Christians come here in "CERTAINTY." All the atheist has is their God bias & guesses that have all been debunked.
Yeah his newest one was pretty good...
I did, whiskey sounds good.
And what’s with mentioning peoples pronouns lately? Pronouns are he, him, his? Yeah, I know he’s a dude you can tell by his voice and his name
This was the most painful call I’ve ever had to listen to… he literally acted like he was walking on a minefield with Matt holding the detonator-
@Ene Hi. Funny way to put it, but sad listening to John wrestling with answering a question honestly and/or really being able to focus on what Matt was asking.
@@JohnWaaland John wasn't wrestling with anything. He answered the question, and this nitwit kept going in circles anyway.
@@grabble7605 Maybe I didn't perceive too well about John BUT I'm not sure what you're getting at with your comments ⁉️🤔
I think John might have had a few drinks before he dialed the number.
The Key to this video is to just watch Forrest's facial expressions and reactions to the caller. Because I did the same thing through this entire call.
Why are people so terrible at explaining themselves and answering questions. So frustrating.
In Base 2 otherwise referred to as binary 1 + 1 = 10
Please don't paint everyone from Colorado with the same brush. Some folks from Colorado are not like this. John gives me an headache.
I lost 20 mins of my life hoping for some logic coming out from John's mouth... and has never happened. Thank you John 😒
Is it just me or is his voice...strange. Lol. Its eerie for some reason. Almost uncanny, like one of those AI robocallers that try really hard to convince you they are indeed real and not cold unfeeling code. I have no idea why, maybe his tone or cadence? It can't just be me..right? Lol
Is he implying that the USA was founded for a divine purpose or similar, and that is why he's a Christian?!
Christianity got started when an April Fool's joke got way the fuck out of hand.