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Ryan: life can't come from non life
Bible: Adam is made from dirt
😄👍
Also God is supposedly immaterial but I’ve never seen a definition of life that includes anything immaterial. So basically they’re arguing against what they believe.
@Never-ending party timeless, so no when. Spaceless, so nowhere. Immaterial, so nonexistent. You’ve proven nothing, only asserted knowledge you don’t have. Funny how God seems to only fit into places we can’t access. How exactly does something immaterial not only cause but design the material? Now you’ll claim God has infinite power and hand wave away all objections to your assertion.
Was there ever a time when the universe didn’t exist? Was there ever a place where the universe didn’t exist?
@Never-ending party God doesn’t fit into my ignorance, he fits into yours. I’m not claiming to know things no one knows.
If time had a beginning then there’s was no time when the universe didn’t exist. If space has a beginning then there was no place the universe didn’t exist. No one knows the conditions before the expansion of the universe. No one knows why it expanded.
I never said anything about star dust, a mud puddle or nothing. You can create strawmen all day long but it doesn’t change the fact that you have no idea what your talking about.
Do you think this never ending party vegetable thinks it wins the arguments on these threads? The level of delusion people like this have has always baffled me. I’m always worried about being wrong or stupid (which I am often) but these people who are always demonstrated to be false or fallacious never are. Hmmmmm 🤔
"I used to be an atheist until..."
Aaaand we're about to hear some bullshit.
lol.
Nick Holmes first off, these callers calling in were not atheists they just claim to be to try and prove “no” point whatsoever. Shame they claim to be Christians and spew their LIES!!!
Yeah, from Matt
j l your driest? And that’s all that has to be said!!!!
And I wasn't disappointed.
I don't believe for one single, solitary, fleeting moment that Ryan was ever an atheist or a skeptic.
I was thinking the same thing😂
Agreed
The guy doesn't even know what atheism is.
@@Cybergodless Funny how most of those “former atheists” show they don’t understand what atheism means. Maybe their religions use a neuralyzer on them like in Men In Black. Flash! They forget what atheism means.🤤
Yes, don't know if he's dishonst or just miss guided, but he really needs to find his center before he talks on media.
Ryan: I can prove that Evolution is false.
Matt: Go ahead.
Ryan: I just don't believe it. It doesn't make sense to me.
Dosen't know the difference between and argument and a opinion .
Pretty much.
That pretty much encapsulates all creationists
Does it make sense to Ryan how a computer CPU works or how lines of code can direct a computer to do the things it does or how medicine works in the body? I doubt it very much...
Nothing like a grand old argument from incredulity.
"as an atheist i uncritically believed a lot of things, so i knowingly added another one and became a theist" the story of Ryan.
I think the key word is uncritically, if you are uncritical in your thinking you are likely to believe anything because you have no ability to question things, which is how Ryan has got himself into this nonsensical bullshit
@@ARoll925
Aurora
😂😂😂😅😅😅
caller: "You can come to god through skepticism"
me: "What tools of skepticism are you using?"
caller: "Anecdotal personal experiences and argument of ignorance fallacies."
Thank you for summarizing:)
Underrated comment 😂
To be sure, personal experiences might be a valid reason for believing something (e.g., witnessing an event), but usually the personal experience cited is merely a transformation of their character, beliefs, or identity. Well gee golly whiz! Thats not convincing at all. Reading any kind of fiction has the potential to do as well.
@@pdworld3421 *"You're all so sad."* The only one who is sad here is you. I just read a sensible comment followed by sensible agreement, until I came to your negative comment.
*"God have pity on you all."*
What god, how do you know of it, and why would anyone be concerned about it having pity?
@@pdworld3421 How dare you tell God what to do! ;)
Ryan: "I was an atheist my whole life, but now I know the truth."
Normal Person: "Okay, what is the truth?"
Ryan: "I don't know."
@@timrube up until the point that he substitutes "God" for his ignorance and doesn't do any legwork to find the truth after that. "I don't know...I should try to find out" is the rest of that thought process, if intellectual honesty is your actual position
I was a atheist then somebody told me about a talking snake and it just made sense to me
*Knock Knock*
- "Who's there''
- ''It's Jesus, let me in''
- ''Why?''
- ''So I can save you! ''
- ''From what? ''
- '' From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!!!! ''
No thank you.
Knock, Knock.
"Who's there?"
"Jesus."
"Fuck off!"
EXACTLY...😂
🤣🤣🤣
Too much credence in this metaphor... A knock on the door is audiable, demonstratable, and repeatable...
I absolutely love this
'I was a die-hard Atheist for many years, and in the following minutes I will convince you of how unlikely that is.'
He was also an alleged skeptic so :/
Naw. the caller is saying God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists.
@@damianedwards2327 because love does exist. You cannot say the sane about God, seeing as there's literally zero evidence to support the notion
@@poozer1986 Hey there, Alex! No problem. I'll Explain
Very true. Love exists.
Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible.
Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared.
And Love must be followed.
Because it is also the Judge of everything we do.
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
I repeat...
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it.
That's AWESOME.
@@damianedwards2327 Redefinitions, conflations, bullshit claims and strawmen plus a whole lot of word salad, all in an attempt to try to tell us what we believe.
Dishonest. Do you feel no shame?
"I prayed to a God I didn't believe in"
Yes, that makes perfect sense.
And then he prayed again and he felt his prayer was answered. Sounds just like a coin flip. Sometimes heads; sometimes tails.
good one
Well in fairness to him , i think we have all done this as one point in life and the reason why we do it is to have a crack, to see if he's gonna answer
Now.. it doesn't make sense nor does it have to, People don't always do things that make sense
but the point is... You can pray once or twice or 5 times, but if you actually don't believe in him you're not going to be praying for very long because your inner belief system won't let you
either that... Or you have to start to believe in order to continue it
@@martinkuliza if you're praying to an imaginary entity out of your own volition, you believe in said entity. regardless of what you may say.
@@felixsalazar4475
True, (at that point in time) You do or at the least you think they might exist.
Your belief can change over time though.
Ultimately you need proof internally and justification to change a belief
but.. you are right yes
If you listen to Ryan it almost sounds like he is crying at times. He has never had to explain what he believes and why and now feels trapped.
It sounds to me like he has sinus issues 🤧
@@jane-cn6nd to me it sounds like that’s the least of his issues.
I thought it was allergies at 1st, but he was definitely tearing up at times. It was worse when he spoke of thinking he was dying, and when talking about "something" inside him that was "missing", and finally in needing salvation. Clearly those were the target points that the church honed in on for the win. They said "prayer saved you from death, and you're missing God who answered your prayer, and God is your salvation from death. They made "god" the key.
I wonder how he happened upon Eastern orthodoxy.... That's not exactly evangelicalism, it almost sounds as if he found them thru an NA or similar program, or perhaps a friend or something. Almost every theist was either raised that way & never thought for themselves, or "found God" during the recovery process, because Christians know that an addicted mind in recovery is looking for something, ANYTHING to fill the void the drugs were filling. They're easy prey. It's sick
he is crying....he bought the shitty cocaine again, instead of shelling out for something that would leave his nose intact for important things, like sniveling and crying...ok so nothing will change, but his nose will feel better...
Apparently he doesn’t have any friends intelligent enough or honest enough to stop him from calling the show with his nonsense.🙈
"Evolution as I understand it" and that's when you know it will be a pointless argument.
@Viktor Tandofsky Ok by that argument that means, If u don't understand something a person is saying then that problem is 100% on them and not also on you?!
@Viktor Tandofsky I don't understand evolution... so no one does? You sir are an idiot.
@Viktor Tandofsky The thing is that guys like Ryan did not learn about evolution from "evolutionists" i.e actual biologists, but from creationist shysters, who probably both don't understand evolution and misrepresent it willingly.
Awesome. I'm not the only one who saw that flag pop up xD
And moments after he was laughing.
"Oh, lol, evolution, sure, lol, so evolution is absolutely true? Lol"
"Alright, so what's wrong with the theory of evolution?"
"My understanding of evolution-"
"Let me stop you there; Yes. You're right."
-End of call-
@Viktor Tandofsky "because the evolutionists can't explain it" As "evolutionsts" is made up word by YEC and there are no "evolutionsts" I'm pretty sure you should blame your lazyness and ignorance. And maybe lack of intelligence because understanding evolution is not hard for children in elementary school.
Evolution: It's just not plausible
Creatonism: That guy with the beard waved his hand and that's more plausible.
Albert: Love your answer, but your misspelling of "creationism" makes it look like "cretinism" ("creatonism") and that gave me a big laugh! Many thanks for that (so don't correct it)!
Oh come on! Everyone knows that he grew the beard after the great flood...
@@thedukeofnuts He used the beard to dry the excess water because I'm f@cked if I know where all that extra water went...
"HE" has a beard? How do we know that? or do we?
@Folk Aart And parasitic worms that slowly eat their hosts to death from the inside out.
You can deny god all you like, but you can't deny his imaginative ways of torturing his toys.
“I used to be an atheist...”
Aaaaand here we go.
when people say that, i dont know if i believe them.. only on the basis they started believing again because religion was comforting to them again or something..
@@ps123fan
The Buffon Lee Strobel said he was a Atheist because he hated God
Naw. the caller is saying God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists.
@@damianedwards2327 , if only that was true...it is demonstrably wrong. Good try though.
@@dukeblair7792 Hey there! No problem. I'll Explain
Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible.
Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared.
And Love must be followed.
Because it is also the Judge of everything we do.
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
I repeat...
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it.
That's AWESOME.
Thanks for reply
Just listening to Ryan speak for 5 minutes is enough to see why he has so easily succumbed to the magical thinking of religion.
He said he was an atheist his whole life.
I don't believe him for a second, because of the caricture of the secular perspective.
I think his story is made up to attack atheism, but the call didn't went as he thought.
I think Matt made a brilliant call.
Ryans understanding of science seems come from a christian worldview.
It's a common story, i found out that Christians, a lot of them, seem to think being an atheist means not going to church, but still believing a god, or blaming some god for something. THey have about as much understanding of atheism as an earthworm does about flight.
Well that would actually made sense. So he was pretentious but he didn't got the hot atheist chick??
Anthony Flew was an atheist but he ends up believing in the existence of God due to the complexity of DNA. And how do you know the caller is lying? And you portray atheists as if all of them were atheists for the same reasons or all of them are scientists or something.
@Dark Wind, because of the way he discribes the secular position.
It sounds like taken out of a textbook for strawmanning the atheist position, written by an apologetic.
Then when Matt didn't play along he immediatly loses it and has to rethink. People don't have to rethink their story if they are honest.
He acuses Matt several times of making fallecies, but he is of.
He clearly memoriest the accusation phrasing and his voice changes from nerveus to certain when uttering the acusations.
But Ryans accusations are ridiculisly off.
He has no idea what he is talking about.
Ryan also refuses to anwser simple harmless questions about the age of the universe. A clear sign of a dishonest nature of this call.
Last but not least , i did NOT portray the atheist position like you said.
I don't think there is a typical atheist. But this portrayl of an atheist position is just a joke.
@@darkwind1812
What does Flew have to do with this video? What point are you trying to make by bringing him up?
Who accused the caller of lying and when?
Your last sentence makes no sense at all. Try rephrasing.
He got skepticism wrong, he got evolution wrong, he got his "Abrahamic God" description wrong. Strikeout!
He doesn't even know the difference between knowledge and belief for god's sake. He is every church's dream sheep/moneygiver
I love when Don just laughs at absurdity.
Don’s exclamation, “OHHH NOOOOOSS, science revised itself?” made enduring this caller’s tedious farce worthwhile.
Matt again sincerely trying to help someone to swim and he chooses to drown.
Well said
Hmm..... clinging to that book does tend to impeed a decent swimming stroke.
Naw. the caller is saying God is the existence of Love. Everybody believes Love exists.
@@damianedwards2327 ah, full circle.
@@markwhitmore9326 Hey Mark! No problem. I'll Explain
Love is the most important thing in your life...but its Invisible.
Love is the Invisible Force that is the Source and Motivation for everything you do. Even your comment to me. If not.. you wouldn't have cared.
And Love must be followed.
Because it is also the Judge of everything we do.
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
I repeat...
GOD IS THE SAME EXACT DEFINITION
Love is inescapable. Thats the reason Atheists say a higher power is useless and pointless...but y'all CONSTANTLY talk about it.
That's AWESOME.
Thanks for reply
Wow, the caller is the product of some pretty intense religious homeschooling. He can't even be honest with himself let alone treat others with honesty.
Very few "christians" can be honest to anyone ...................
@David Parry So very true, and scary ! ................
One of the techniques in brainwashing is to isolate the person from any objections...
@@dirtyangel6557 The same as other CULT-LEADERS ultimately do ! ................
I'm of the opinion the almost all Christians are graduates of the Juilliard School because of the way they so gracefully dance around questions.
And it absolutely kills them to say "I don't know". Why is it so important to have an answer for everything, even if it cannot be shown to be correct?
“Let me collect my thoughts for a second”.... in other words he had a script he had planned to follow and your immediate questions threw his mind through a whirlpool. Now he’s in the deep end with no floaty
From "You can come to god by skepticism," to "I just felt like I needed god in my life," to "I don't know it's true, I chose to believe it's true."
I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt when they make a claim but listening to this guy I seriously doubt he was ever an atheist let alone a skeptic.
I started out not knowing about the invisible man.
Then I heard about the invisible man and went searching for him
Finally I decided the invisible man did not exist.
Then I met a woman who believes in the invisible man.
I now believe the invisible man exists.
After my girl friend left me...
He clearly wasn't skeptical, he was an atheist til he got himself brainwashed
He said he prayed to a god, as an atheist. Something isn’t adding up.
@@ljb5163 NOTHING in Ryans flimsy "talk" adds up ! ......................
You can be an atheist without being a skeptic. All atheist means is you don’t actively believe in a god.
For me personally callers like this do more to affirm the absence of a deity than the existence of one.
Agreed.
More like absence of critical thinking.
I know, right?
If there's an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient deity, why are its emissaries these simpletons whose logic struggles to achieve "childlike"?
@@stevenschnepp576
Never mind the corpse on the floor..I mean the fact God almighty Forgives All Genocides and pedophiles but honest disbelief is the ultimate taboo..
Sounds like the perfect excuse to kill those that disobey the piper..
They are so poor at thinking, it makes me wonder how this guy has not accidentally killed himself, prime candidate for a Darwin award, they just meander through dumb idea to dumb idea, I don't get how people hear this and still think yeah Christianity and god are true, it bogles my mind, it sounds so fucking stupid
So his entire argument is: I was too stoned to pay attention in school. I have a 3rd grade knowledge of science, therefore god.
Well if that doesn't convince you, I don't know what could.
Matt is the scariest kind of arguer-the kind that can fluently point out which logical fallacy you make while avoiding them himself. Not to mention being very knowledgeable about his opponents’ side (more than they are)
Well said
True. Additionally he does have the truth behind him. There is NO evidence of a god or god's. So he has the high ground and it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Poor theists already start out at a disadvantage.😂😂😂😂
i don't find him remotely scary because i don't mind being told i'm wrong and shown why
In a Bible quiz Matt would beat every Christian I have met. He takes Christianity more seriously than most practicing Christians.
@@braesidebikes4344 I would argue that every theist should spend an hour a week here. If they change your mind, faith was shallow. If you can answer his challenges faith is real.
I love when theists complain that secular education was forced on them in public schools, then a few moments later go on to prove that they did not, in fact, ever actually learn a bit of it.
It doesn't help that "secular" education is highly tainted by religious people who dislike the scientific method, evolution, geology, and critical/logic being taught in schools. It is a disservice to science that the word law is used to describe observable actions which makes it seem like a legal law that is prescriptive rather than descriptive of human behavior.
Sunday school
Church
The Bible
Religious movies
Morning and evening prayers
You Tube channels
TV evangelism
Statewide Day of Prayer
Money supply
Pledge of Allegiance
Prayer in the White House
Town meetings begin with a prayer.
I doubt he was ever an atheist, clearly deluded.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in a deity or deties. It doesn't mean he had a well considered epistemology, nor how to apply skepticism properly. He was surprised by Matt's description of the knowledge science provides. Some how he seemed to think science made absolute claims. I can understand that as it's often not made clear. That's more to do with the philosophical underpinning of the scientific method rather than "science" itself.
You can be completely ignorant and be an atheist. Being atheist isn't a protection against becoming theist. We can all make mistakes.
We boot stupid atheist basically every week from our Facebook group
@Revanhald
Is this done under the principle of "Don't tell me anything that might cause me to think"?
Some believe conspiracy theories others are fascist leaning, some keeps posting the same stuff over again like complaining about bestemmie (cursing especially god Jesus Mary saints) and those believing ancient aliens stuff
@@Revanbzn There are Facebook groups that boot stupid theists basically every week too. What's your point?
"I was an atheist for my whole life..."
I've always wondered why all those "former atheists" seem to forget what atheism means.
"I think the church was more honest."
That would be a first. IF anybody can prove any honest churches exist, they'll be the first people to do that.
I love the wing argument. "Why would an animal have a (proto) wing that has has no use". Do they not know there are flightless birds?
Or all the animals that just glide
Also there's other uses for limbs, like holding a mating partner in place or digging for food. Some whales use their vestigial pelvis as an anchor for wang meat
Matt - "What good reason do you have to believe in the god of the bible?"
3:38 - *clears throat* "Ok....this went in a bit of a direction that I wasn't prepared for...so if you'll excuse me while I collect my thoughts for a sec."
Oh.....you mean the direction of having to justify your beliefs? Something that even as an adult of 20-30 years of age you have NEVER considered...that direction?
I caught that too! I think he truly thought he could limp in there justifying his belief by asserting opinion that secular belief has faulty assumptions. Not realizing that atheists don't assert that there is no god, they just aren't convinced of one.
Yep. Ryan thought he could just waltz in there and rattle off his script (uninterrupted) and be believed. Convince the hosts that his conversion was real and justified.
Nope
He was never an atheist bc he doesn't understand science and only has the creationist method of explaining reality.
"The invisible incorporeal hairy fairy in the sky" did it. Thinking that that is a GOOD and BELIEVABLE reason to believe in HIS version of crap.
So sorry
So sad. 😐
This caller was all over the place. He accepts god with no evidence and accepts evolution doesn’t happen because it affects his belief
Never-ending party Hu? What do you mean? Matt just takes the calls from people that call. And he doesn’t “run off” from people. Everyone he’s debated has them running off lol
@Never-ending party do you have any verifiable proof that the god of the abrahamic religions is real, and that Christianity is true. If you can provide proof please provide it, if you cannot admit that you do not have it.
@Never-ending party RNA has been shown to actually be able to form on its own. Every testable claim within the Bible and all other religious documents have been shown to be false. If everything needs a creator then god would need a creator. If you where to study the history of religions you will find that all religions and all gods are man-made, which means that they came from the imagination of people not the other way around. You have provided absolutely zero proof that the god of the abrahamic religions is real.
@Never-ending party Nice argument from ignorance and incredulity troll. All you do is make baseless claims without evidence. Lucifer asked for evidence.
@never ending party, how many times do you have your ass handed to you? You’ve owned Matt? Liar.
11:46
Matt has asked the "why do you believe" question so many times, and I think a lot of theists don't realize that their answer is "because it's what is popular" or "someone I trust told me about it" or "I was raised to believe this".
I suspect that their personal experiences often happen after the first three reasons but the timeliness gets forgotten to them.
I also suspect this is one reason some callers start to argue dishonestly in the call.
They are starting to realize they've never had a good reason for their belief.
And if they've been believing something untrue (sometimes for decades) they think they will look foolish admitting they were wrong.
I think they feel, on some level, that “because it gives me happy fee-fees” sounds really unconvincing, they try to dress up things.
It boils down to, “I am afraid of death and want to feel special, Christianity is the culturally dominant system that cover these requirements.”
That simple statement from Matt sure has entertained me well.
@@Nocturnalux completely agree
I've been listening to this show for 12 years, and I've been teaching for 20 years. Most of the callers sound to me like they were the D students who think they knew more than the teacher. In my youth, I don't remember students being so arrogantly ignorant!!!!
It may be that nowadays the dumbest people can find each other online and circle jerk each other into certainty
Matt is an absolute hero for being able to keep calm through such a magnificent display of utter stupidity.
I love how Don is having a fab time every time.... :)
Yes 😂 his little remarks followed by a selfish little giggle, not bothered one bit by the fact that the person he just satirized is _still on the line_ XD
Don is comic relief
Sorry, not me. I personally find him to be insulting & belittling. Matt, on the other hand, at least tries to educate callers to think logically.
@@RW-ix2to Matt can be what you just described, but he makes no jokes about it. he is what he says he is... true to him self and dont take shit from no one. Don is jsut trying to be a little funny sometimes. no harm in that i think :) As mentioned, he is the comic relief, i find it refreshing. how can any be insulted by his ways.
@@RW-ix2to Don belittles beliefs, I've never seen him call someone a name, or to insult them personally. These callers don't have a right to not have their beliefs mocked or belittled. If they can't handle that, then their beliefs are as pathetic as Don makes it known they are, no?
There was a time that I was going through a deep depression and I began to seek God at a non denominational Christian church, I went through all the motions although I’d always been a skeptic. I really wanted to believe it would work but guess what, I didn’t get better until I saw a psychiatrist that gave me meds and referred me to a therapist. Over the course of 1-2 years I got better n then got off the meds. Science gave me real relief, I struggled to admit that to myself for a while but it’s the facts Jack
I love from the first minute up until minute 13 just how off the rails this went 😂. I think his definition of skepticism would have to be "acceptance that we know absolutely nothing, no matter the weight of the evidence, except that which you believe 'by choice' without evidence and in spite of evidence to the contrary". Uh oh people, we got a serious skeptic on our hands over here 🤣🤣🤣
"I thought I was going to die, and I prayed, and guess what happened?"
Let me guess- you didn't die?
😄
... because heaven is such a terrible place why would a believer want to go there...
Oh he will say I don't know like he did with age of universe
the best part was when he said people told him he was not dying and just had a panic attract.
caller: I thought i was gonna die twice, god did nothing the first time but answered me the second.
Matt: so you survived both instances and god answered you once. what does that tell you?
caller: well people said i just had a panic attack.
Reminds me of the old saying, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." God ignored his prayer. Dude's gonna die anyway.
The title, "You can't come to god through skepticism," should properly read, "Skepticism will prevent you from believing things without evidence."
@Never-ending party Nothing but copy pasting apologetics on every comment on a video that you didn't watch under comments you don't read on a topic you don't understand. Not sure which secondary troll account this is but get a life fucktard
@Never-ending party Wow what a waste of time
@Never-ending party I have to stop reading at "We know the universe had a beginning, thus a beginner." _We_ would have a few Nobel prices in the pocket as that is pretty much not know...
@Never-ending party _"Except there's nothing but EVIDENCE for G0D:"_ ...
- *Then proceeds to present exactly 0 pieces of evidence for God*
The universe having a beginning does not lead to the conclusion that it was God. How existence "began" is only answered by "I don't know". To assert "God did it" is nothing but an argument from ignorance. Saying that god did it is nothing but a claim that would require evidence to support it... you tried to support it using other empty claims.
Then its an argument from probabilities... which is another argument from ignorance.
Followed by flawed claims about what we know about science and what can do things... all of which are rather wrong.
Then a claim about Christianity's uniqueness... which is also wrong.
*With all that being said, the biggest problem with your argument is that asking questions and attacking some other idea or stands DOES NOT support some other idea, stance or claim. No list of things that science doesn't know, or claims about what couldn't happen, or ideas about impossibility will ever support a different idea.*
You presented no evidence for anything in your post about evidence. You made a bunch of empty claims attacking other ideas then an empty assertion about your claim.
@Never-ending party everything you cite is bottom-up, all you propose as answers for them are top-down. You're unclear in your definition of how. It's so easy to dismiss your ideas from how many errors you've written.
I was ill , prayed for help on the way to the hospital , where i saw professional medical staff and i got better , praise god.
"You're making an argument from authority!" says the man who believes there's a being in the sky that tells him what to do.
Every caller starts off sounding all confident like they are going to be the ones to make a good point. After about 2 questions from Matt.... "Uh uh ummm" 😂
Cara Michelle Cara!!! Funny!! :) so true
Ha ha ha ha ha. Spot on.
TRUTH.
Exactly. Unprepared deer in the headlights. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad. ☹️
I can hear it in this kid's voice that he's not really trying to prove any point. Rather, he's trying to reassure himself that he's right, and science is wrong. This is the same existential terror I started having in school when I was still a Christian and started learning about evolutionary biology. The whole community comes together around a child to reinforce the dogma, no matter how absurd, by shaming the child for asking questions or even daring to consider contrary evidence. It's heartbreaking really, because you can hear it in this kid's voice that he's convinced that he MUST believe, no matter what. This is an example of the doctrine of BELIEF is more important than FACTS.
Brian Lawson the faithful do not realise that the bible is located in the fiction section at the public library
"as a skeptic..."
Don is a savage 😂
I think that Matt is one of the most articulate and analytical men I have ever heard. He would have made a brilliant lawyer - yet he doesn't even have a university education. Remarkable.
I guess the families of children in the cancer wards never thought of "praying for help".
Think of the stress and grief that that would bring to religious people when their sick child dies. They’d be tormented wondering why their child wasn’t worthy.
Why pray to a god that created cancer?
If only they had prayed then all of those kids that god gave cancer to would now be healthy
@Nuggets By praying you are telling god to change his plans as you dont like it which seems insulting to him
Never-ending party his will’ is never done lol.
The caller is scared to death of death and the promise of an after life has got him on board the god squad crazy train.
Valisk are you scared of death and who you leave behind, loved ones etc?
@@joesmoke9624 Nope. Why would I be scared of those I leave behind? I;ll be dead.
Valisk you know what I mean the prior thought of leaving love ones behind. I believe this is what’s scares most people, not the death itself.
@@joesmoke9624 Please don't tell me what I know. To answer you clearly, no I don't fear death or leaving loved ones behind.
Valisk Wait and see my friend
Ryan: what purpose does a non functional wing have?
Me: Ask an Ostrich
"You Can't Come To God Through Skepticism"
He means you are not allowed to use your brain if you want to join the fantasy god club.
Whenever Matt asks them to explain something that makes them look stupid, they stop and give a big sigh.
I like how theists think that since science makes corrections with dating that it's somehow indicative of it being unreliable. "It keeps changing." Yeah, they may revise it a million years out of multiple billions but it's not like we're seeing it shaved dwn to 50,000 then back to 4.5 billion then back to 45,000. They act like that's what's happening.
Also they keep forgetting that they use science to make corrections to their book as well. According to the Bible, earth is flat with a dome of glass with windows and water is outside in space and the windows open to let rain. When science disproved it they stopped talking about that.
I remember crying to my church group leader 10 years ago, asking him why is it that he and the other group members can worship so beautifully without any seeming doubt. By the time I was talking to him, I had already gone through the slow burning deconversion out of Christianity, where one belief after another had turned into a miniscule version of what originally started as a miracle belief. Prayer can heal the sick, to well actually prayer is a way to communicate with God to give thanks. Bible is the infallible word of God, to well actually they're more like all wise allegories. Jesus christ is the God in flesh, to well actually he might be some mytical creature like King Arthur or Zeus. Maybe, maybe not. The caller is on the last ropes of his own faith and is attempting to grasp back to it but is realizing that he is lacking that one crucial ingredient to all valid beliefs.. E V I D E N C E. A lot of us have been there, and we all know the fear of losing the hope that religion has sold to us. I hope this guy is doing better.
this show has helped my critical thinking so much
As a Floridian, I apologize for him.
I don't think we're going to hold you responsible for every Floridian.
"a Florida man..." Love it!
This guy was clearly never an atheist.
Of course he could have been an atheist. He was clearly never a skeptic though
@@forger42 The way I see is it's far more likely he just didn't have all the arguments for both sides. Or he called himself atheist without looking into it.
There are more nuances to non-belief than just rejecting the god claim and atheism is a rejection of that claim - the "I don't believe you" when someone says "god is real".
Maybe nobody actually said "god is real" to him. Idk.
But it's far more likely he's a theist troll - the "I used to be an atheist" type are gaining momentum.
Well I mean just like there are religious people who believe for bad reasons there are Atheists who don't believe for "bad reasons". He probably never questioned his atheism before, which is something a lot of outspoken Atheists do in the process of becoming Atheists. It's important to remember we're all human and all prone to the same faulty thinking.
@@Jay-vp3kk I'm not claiming to know his mind, but it's always suspect to me when someone says they're a theist but used to be atheist. There is more than one level to non-belief than calling yourself atheist.
That's only my opinion, but I don't think it's unreasonable.
To me, simply saying "I don't believe" isn't always enough. Because there's "I don't believe because I've never heard this story before" and "I don't believe because I've heard the story and it has no credibility".
I don't put much stock in that first one actually being an atheist. It sounds just like ignorance. Which is a far more accurate label.
That's all.
And like I said to @Lina Wrang: it's far more likely he's a theist troll - the "I used to be an atheist" type are gaining momentum.
Just my opinion. But definitely valid, in my eyes.
We're all born atheists but he "chose" to believe in God later on, as he put it. He also have no clue what scepticism is..
Yo, Matt! This is soooo important. "Pooping" is sooooo much more offensive and funny than "shitting." I approve that so much and hope to hear it again. Thank you and love you Dad.
The reason he doesn't accept evolution is because he does not understand it.
He's an emotional wreck. Poor kid. He sucked up his fear to call and talk like this.
I mean, what was to be expected with the same rhetoric these guys have probably heard, oh idk, about abagillionzillionfrillion times
@Parker Avery "He's an emotional wreck." - Well, you kinda have to be, in order to buy into any particular brand of religious bullshit...
I'm not so sure. I think it was an act
He is an insincere creep.
He is smug, presumptuous, and accuses of the scientific community/method of committing all sorts of fallacies that pretty much disqualifies you from being scientific should you really endorse in any of them in reality.
Don't try to make him sympathetic. He gets that coming.
Matt: "What good reason do you have to believe in the god of Abraham?"
Caller: "Umm, my script doesn't have that as a question you might ask me, so let me collect my thoughts for a second and then completely ignore the question."
Ryan is very skeptical when it comes to science but not so much when it comes to fairytales.
"I found theres nothing in the world that could satisfy me"
-20 something year old kid
Take a shot every time the caller actually answers a question. You'll be sober by the end of it
"You can't come to god through skepticism."
True, you can only come to god by blindly accepting BS
You always know when they start with "I used to be an atheist" that this is going to be a long string of disingenuous assertions.
You all are fighting the good fight, I don’t envy you however I do admire you guys, keep on!
Don't ad hominem me says the straw man..
Lol true.
Urr no, not straw, mouldy silage more like it, and replace man with a diarrhea'd dingle berry that has been violently ejected from Cardinal George Pell's ass.
There, that's better)
Was the strawman the one without the brain?
Another person claiming to be a life long atheist convert who was clearly never an atheist.
Ryan has already decided what he wants his conclusion to be and he's simply trying to come up with whatever means he can to justify it. That's why he began the call by insinuating that we don't or can't really know anything, therefore we are on equal footing. He then goes on to say that we choose what we want to believe, further attempting to justify his preconceived notions. And to top it off, he basically admits that his views are completely derived from feelings and emotions.
He doesn't seem the least bit surprised that his offer of personal experience isn't the least bit convincing to Matt and Don. Why would he when he himself said that beliefs are a choice, and that we can't really know anything anyway?
Joe Gillian I can’t stand these fucks who claim they were atheists when that was clearly not the case. Like, why would you pray to a god if you’re an atheist lmao, but of course there are other various reasons why I find that bullshit
@@KC-py5vq
If someone wants to call crying out in a moment of desperation (which is exactly what the caller described) a prayer, fine, but all they are doing is rationalizing after the fact. This caller, as well as many before, make the mistake of trying to make their case by attacking and attempting to expose the "other side" (there is no other side when it comes to things like evolution and cosmology; our science offers explanations and possibilities where religion offers bubkis). If someones argument is to attack the opposing view instead of supporting their own, that tells me that their position is weak. Truth isn't determined by the last idea standing, and it certainly isn't determined by a person's inability or unwillingness to understand something.
@Joe Gillian, i agree . I thought his lifelong atheist story was fake 3 min in.
NOT because of bias, but because of his poor carcture of the atheist perspective. I think Matt saw trough this early on, and the caller probably had a script written by an apologist with only a strawman understanding of sceptisism and sience.
You cant say what is going on in his head or was going on in his head so he could have been an atheist, even if hes wrong about what that means now. Otherwise I agree with your comment.
I do get the feeling that this caller was as much an atheist as I was a hippopotamus.
The funny thing is that roughly 3 weeks after this show was aired, the whole world witness one of the most obvious displays of evolution as Corona virus mutated and spread throughout the world. With different strains arising and out competing older strains.
It was still corona virus…
"This went a direction I wasn't prepared to go."
Translating......
"I have a script in front of me and you didn't give the expected response so I now I have no idea what to say."
This was almost sad. Then he started talking about evolution with the same ignorance and arrogance as any first rate tv preacher. "No, I wasn't convinced by anyone" BUUUUULSHIIIIT
"Evolution from my understanding"
Survey says! ❎❎❎
Ryan: science makes truth claims that don't change so it's wrong!
Also Ryan: they keep changing their answers in science so it's wrong!
On the "half wing", i recall a documentary that was looking at a flightless or semi flightless quail like bird. The researchers noticed that even as just a intermediate wing, the birds were able to propel themselves up steep slopes they otherwise could not maneuver.
Just because its not a wing that flies, does not mean its a wing that has no use.
Best part of the show to me is Dons laughing 😂
His church is more honest about reality than science?
I'm just going to sit down here and call bullshit on that claim.
This is one of the best conversations I’ve seen on this show in a long time
This is a great example for how „I don‘t know“ isn‘t always the most honest answer, even when it’s technically accurate.
„I don‘t know“ is in fact the most honest answer if it’s genuinely meant as an admission to a lack of knowledge (an indicator would be if it’s followed by something along the lines of „let’s investigate“), but this isn‘t this caller‘s intention; he merely uses it as a rhetorical cop-out to avoid an uncomfortable position.
Intention matters.
Ryan is a prime example of Dunning-Krueger!
a stupid argument from ignorance, “how half a wing is going to be useful?” it’s NOT half a wing dummy it’s a RUDIMENTARY wing, like the first daguerreotype was a rudimentary form of picture taking, it was better than sketching by hand and then “evolved” into the camera in your phone, so the “rudimentary wing” was better than no wing and it could have had alternative use like keeping the eggs in the nest warmer
yep. any extra aerodynamics, on small lightweight animals, would help them jump farther from predators and towards prey. just extra skin between the arms and body would become taught when the arms are outstretched, and allow increased gliding distance. one can easily see how that would evolve into the complex wings that the dinos got.
Maneuvering at high speeds.while hunting?
The same type of critical laymen claim rockets cannot work in vacuum...
Half a wing is called an arm
Thermoregulation, climbing, protection from attack and UV damage, assistance with climbing trees, balance, mating display. All kinds of uses for feathers other than flying.
I laughed every time he lost his page in the script !
So then you laughed every 2 seconds. 😏
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 Very true !
just collecting my -pages- thoughts...
@@brucebaker810 Very good !
"just because i don't know what i'm talking about.....doesn't mean im wrong"
"I used to be an atheist until I realized I couldn't accept death is the end so I started to believe what makes me feel good"
Why couldn't he just say that?
"I choose to believe." Why doesn't he just choose to believe he's okay and doesn't need religion as a glorified crutch, then?
Most people simply cannot accept death as an end to everything. They desperately wish to continue their existence and will find solace in the belief that their soul continues forever. What's interesting is that it doesn't bother them that they didn't exist for the billions of years before their birth, but cannot accept that they won't exist for the billions of years after their death.
For the "feels". Religion also provides established guidelines on which to live by, as well as a "foundation"by which people live by. I am good friends with quite a few believers of varying religions, and friends with some who do not. I really find no glaring discrepancy between them, in terms of them being a "good person". I guess it all boils down to people in the end; how they interpret "life" and what they should do to navigate through it. I know some f'd up believers, and some f'd up non-believers. Religion / non-religion doesn't define one's character.
@Never-ending party More baseless assertions with no proof. I'll happily believe in your god if you can show it to me. I know you won't, and you'll claim I need to "open my eyes" and look at "creation", the "complexity of life", the "order of life and reality". Why do you believe your god causes all of that? Because you like to believe that there is a deity that has a plan for you, and you'll get to live forever if you just believe and follow these arbitrary rules?
Never-ending party stop making claims and give evidence.
Never-ending party every comment you’ve have made have been claims by people but you haven’t gave evidence.
This guy needs professional medical help.
It's the first time I've been willing Matt to hang up.
This one will be a good drinking game ,
every time Ryan will do a snort or a sniff or a sniffle ,
take a drink
Save you time, callers argument: "I don't know how xxxx, therefor god, the god of my church."
Nothing but classic God of the Gaps.
They have WAY too much patience.
IKR? Holy shit!!
If Aron Ra was cohost during this show he would destroy this poor mind. Incredulity and confirmation bias at its finest 🤦♂️
For anyone like Ryan out there:
You do not need to hope that there is an afterlife. Nothing that comes after can do so without what came before. So long as time exists the echoes of your time on earth will reverberate througbout the universe.
You as a person may be forgotten by other people, but your every action leaves an indelible mark on reality that impacts EVERYTHING that happens in the future. The universe remembers us, we are not lost.
It would be wonderful if we can meet our dead loved ones again, but the truth is that they live on inside you and the things they did while living.
I love this channel
Was he an inner circle atheist? If not he wasn't much of one....
lmao I remember that!
Might've been the inner-inner circle atheist
LOL. I remember that guy! What a tool he was!
The cirkels are forming=earth is flat and a pankake from the big G O D!
Where can I sign up for this club? Lol.
WOW, Matt's Patience and compassion is incredible
"I prayed to god...
AND I DIDN'T DIE!!!!
oh wow.
Cuz those who prayed to God not to die, but then died ... aren't calling in to testify.
"I'm sorry, can you explain the difference between belief & knowledge?"
This is the way I've always put it;
"What you know, is what you can show. Believing, requires deceiving."
There’s good reason to believe once you’ve accepted Jesus and have read his word
What I found interesting, is his personal experience. I would imagine he had a bad trip that caused 2 panic attacks. He thought he heard God and was dying, rationalised his fear of death and claiming God was life and became a Christian
Perfectly good reason to seek out a God. I suffer with panic attacks and in that moment your convinced your going to die. It’s called Gods grace sometimes that’s how he calls us to him
Most people want to live forever,
so they invent a deity who gives you eternal life
And there's a lotta lonely people who create an imaginary friend to talk to...
If you have ever used the phrase " well prove that it isnt" just know that you lost that argument.
The education system doesn’t matter if you’re unable to learn.