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"I'm a truth seeker", is the motto of every flat earther, conspiracy theorist, and god claiming human.
it’s also a motto of truth seekers
When I heard him say that, the red flags went up immediately.
By truth seeker he means I watched some TH-cam videos
🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 I don't understand how people think like these callers. It's exhausting
@MrGpt2010 I appreciate your point but I don’t think it’s like saying “smart people don’t go around saying I’m smart” (which is usually true).
For example Epistemology is a form of truth seeking by definition.
Jesus mother of Zeus I would not be capable of hosting one episode of this show without going completely and irreversibly insane.
A sane reaction to an insane situation...
But....would you go SO insane as to believe that a power greater than yourself could restore you to sanity? Seriously, in AA, we were told to find a higher power. In the Bible Belt, AA leads you inevitably to Jesus....who turned water into wine....and....DRUNK AGAIN....BLARGGHGHHHH.
@@troyevitt2437 - and they insist they're not a religion but rather a spiritual program, despite the prayers and all the god talk. I've had many years experience with that organization. And yes, primarily in the southeastern U.S.
@@wickedcabinboy The 12-Steps model is of late being panned by the addiction/recovery professionals. "Once an addict, always an addict" is medically BOLLOCKS. Addiction, in hard medicine, is a condition by which the body may become dependent on things that can't even get you high. For example, your nose might become dependent on Affrin spray; you're not high, but you can't stop mouth-breathing. Addiction also GOES AWAY with sustained disuse of the substance in question.
I went to AA meetings given a shortage of NA in the area following 3 years of cocaine and driving "ladies of the evening" for escort services. During that time, I was told that if I ever had so much as a beer at dinner or smoked a joint, my sobriety would be compromised and I'd be back on the Bolivian Booger Sugar in a matter of weeks.
Well, perhaps they were part right, but I'll never know because I DID abstain from all mind/mood-altering substances short of coffee and a mild sleep-aid of which I could detect no real abuse-potential. Having said that, I got back into the pro music business in 2002, moving to Denver and opening for Hoobastank at a local show later that year. Since then, I've got a 3-beers-and-a-bowl/joint hab...no...routine with absolutely ZERO desire to smoke/snort cocaine.
The hosts are insane. They claim they wouldn't accept the God if the Bible even if they knew he was real and who he claimed. They are saying that they would accept eternal torment rather than allow God to save them from it. That is insanity yet people come to listen to them.
Jeremy proving that listening with your mouth is a barrier to learning.
@David Parry i love that word (interwebs).
Lmech B And talking out of his ass.
David Parry - 😂
Wow ...... That"s Deep . Gotta love your response .
"listening with your mouth" ... brilliant. 😁
How can he sit there and say I don't believe in the moon landings I did not see it. Then say I believe in a creator I have never seen?
We don't have the technology to reach the moon today, as Obama admitted on camera. So what makes you believe we had the technology in the 60's?
@@capoo1337 Did V2's get targeted at multiple European targets in WW2? Does SpaceX launce 60 communications satelites into orbit on average, every two weeks? Does the Falcon rocket(used by SpaceX) use an oxygen RP-1 engine? Was the Saturn V designed by the guy that designed the V2 and was it powered by an oxygen RP-1 engine?
The technology to go to the moon has existed since the early 1940s. Having the will to go to the moon is another thing.
You also realize there is currently a Chinese lander on the far side of the moon sending data back to earth (Chang'e 4). Also, multiple nations have sent probes to the moon: Russia, Europe, USA, China, India, Luxembourg (private mission), and Isreal.
Your argument is patently an argument from ignorance. Watch a live SpaceX launch they occur on average every two weeks. Next is scheduled for March 18 followed by another on March 30th.
Also, your point does not address the issue I raised of lack of belief in a thing with lots of evidence and belief in a thing with no evidence. Straw man?
@Charles Blair watch 'A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon'.....
@@jiubboatman9352 you've seen this evidence first hand?
capoo1337 your a moron
Me watching my first episode: “Wow, Matt’s kind of a jerk.”
Me by my fifth episode: “This *****ing “moral absolute” argument again?? How the hell does Matt do this???”
Matt, I really don’t know how you do it.
Haha I had more or less the same experience!
lol same, how did he put up with these people for 15+ years?
I'd bet a million bucks that Jeremy is also a flat Earther.
and if he isn't it would be easier to get to to believe in flat than globe because flat is easier for him to grasp.
Yeah they have a tendency to accept only fringe ideas. If something is accepted by mainstream science, then it must be a lie. Poor souls are completely lost in this world. Honestly I feel sorry for them.
And gravity denier, that usually goes hand in hand too with the Flerfer and space deniers.
Of COURSE he is. The thing is.....when someone believes in _one_ BS conspiracy theory, they always always believe in ALL of them.
It's interesting....given how they're all so unrelated.
But the common denominator is.....ignorance, credulity, and sheer stupidity.
He should go watch ScimanDan and GreaterSapien, the both of them put the whole Moon landing conspiracy to rest.
😎👌
Why is it that anyone who calls him/herself a “truth seeker” will believe anything but the truth?
What's the truth, according to you?
@@dontworry4082 There are other planets, the stars in the sky and moon are real.
@@TheMarkSasuke64 Ok!
@Jesus Isn'tReal George Washington isn't real either!
@Jesus Isn'tReal ofcourse Jesus Christ is real
The sad thing is, there are so many "Jeremy's" out there.
Kevin Craighead Even worse - they vote.
The moment he mentioned that he went to moon landing conspiracy i was just lost.
He just needs a bit more confidence in himself he will get it.
yeah...but I'm not like this guy. hahaha
Jeremy was the nowhere man in yellow submarine
He is honest in his ignorance, this is at least honest. He has been massively failed by his education. He just needs a scientific education.
Matt: Which creator is the right one to believe in?
Jeremy: Whoever created this Earth.
No shit.
There is a level of dumb that just boggles the mind.
@MindCreatedNature
"And science education teaches us that life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality and the DNA blueprints of 10 million species of life came from a mud puddle? Star dust?"
Yes. Maybe. Science looks for natural causes for things because that's where we ALWAYS find the answers to be. We've never found the root of something to be god. And we've also never once found out the reason for something, but then later found we were wrong, that it was actually god.
Scientists are like detectives. They go where they think the answers are to be found. NO SCIENTISTS are currently studying god.
So before I give a more complete answer, I'll point out that "personal incredulity" (or your disbelief that this could happen naturally) isn't really a good yardstick to use for determining what is true or not. There are a plethora of things we now know about the world (the earth revolves around the sun, the earth is round, time ISN'T a constant, heavier than air flight IS possible) that people used to think were impossible. So much for that. Moreover, I'm always amused by people who can't believe that we came from something inanimate, yet then basically believe in magic and invisible beings who know everything we're thinking. Now THAT'S fucked up.
So, let's look at what you wrote:
"life"
Scientists have been able to create the building blocks of life in a lab. I suggest looking up the latest on this. We are not able to make life, but it seems that the things that make life, naturally want to combine. It's actually really fascinating.
"intelligence"
We know that the human brain is more complicated than other life forms. And we are able to pretty much go back in time to see how we evolved. Generally the bigger the brain, the more intelligent a creature is. Intelligence appears to be a natural emergent quality of the development of our brains.
"love"
Is a chemical reaction in the brain. That's about it.
"consciousness"
Another emergent quality of the brain.
"morality"
A simple understanding of Evolution will have you discover that "morality" (which is also found in many animals other than humans) is potentially VERY important to the survival of our species. BTW, a recent study I saw about the domestication of wild wolves showed that natural selection will give you quite different social qualities in even a short period of time. The study was only ten or twenty years, and they were already naturally selecting animals that were much more docile and willing to be like our common household dog. These were social changes. To think that we could evolve a sense of right or wrong (a trait that would be selected for naturally), just as we have developed a sense of self-preservation given a couple of hundred thousand years, isn't a stretch.
"DNA blueprints"
DNA is not a blueprint. DNA is part of the process of replication. It is complex. But remember, Evolution has taken about 2 BILLION years. And don't get me started with the errors in DNA or the whole stupid "design" argument.
Have you ever thought of using the internet to do some research into this instead of just saying stupid things?
Unlike MindCreatedNature (or "Doc" Powers), who is neither honest nor capable of understanding things even if we gave him an education.
You can't fix stupid.
Samiam 666 Doc Powers/MindCreatedNature’s ignorance does serve a purpose, it gives us so much to laugh at.
"I don't believe science because I never met these people in these programs." Same person: "I accept all these conspiracy theories from people I don't know."
Hey, conspiracy theories are more real than that.
Putting conspiracy in front of theory shouldn't discount it, as it is still a theory unproven. It is open to peer review and investigation.
Yes I'm a conspiracy theorist, they're very intriguing. I'd much rather watch something on any topic under it's umbrella than anything religious.
Conspiracy theory shouldn't be a dirty phrase, religious beliefs however....
I don't know the people who leaked and published the Panama Papers.
Do I trust the data that says we were fed lies by media and government in a conspiracy to get us involved in our highly lucrative forever war?
Is that theory about a conspiracy a wild back of the napkin guess, or testable proven fact that we're all involved in tacitly covering for a vast murderous government conspiracy.
Are you really Tyrion?
😂😂😂
He did genuinely sound like a "truth seeker" in the beginning but when he brought up the flat Earth arguments he showed that he is just as close-minded to reality as any other theist.
The most scary part is this guy is free to influence innocent children.
And vote.
LOL so true haha
Kenji87 and vote!
They were too hard on him. He’s just trying to understand. Yes, they would need to hold his hand through the process, but he is at least asking questions, and attempting to wade through the arguments that he has heard.
They'd have to be some pretty stupid children.
When Denis had his hand over his face when Jeremy questioned the Moon Landing was priceless.
Every so often I watch one of these for entertainment and I'm always impressed at such kind patience from the athiests to take the time to talk to idiots and fools.
@Joe Horn I think he might be the new account of neverendingparty and before that Dr James Powers
I am ateist and I don't have patience. -;
David Mathieson You are absolutely 100% correct about the fraudulent prick.
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That's ok, no one said patience is required to be atheist, lol, it's just an aquired attribute.
The devil keeps the church in business as believing retards keep the phone lines flooded with better content than could be prayed for.
LMFAO
As soon as he said “truth seeker” I knew he was a flat earther
I had the same feeling.
I love tackling space idiots. I worked 9 years in Sat communications and when I mention that, they tend to go very quiet or block. 😂
Or lie. I remember a guy who claimed that he was a cable instaler and that ALL the dishes were decorative and all comunication was land based.
The caller has a valid point, I have wondered myself considering earth travels at 67K miles per hour constantly around the sun, a bullet travels at 2K per mile
max. I think the God idea is bull shit, but still, back in the sixties we just didn't have the technology to enter earth atmosphere without burning on contact like a meteorite.
@@benetton66 what are you talking about??? We have the technology since the 40s or something like that.
benetton66 what technology are you talking about?
@@samleatham9076 defractive ceramic materials existed since when Humans discovered pottery.
I don't see whats interesting about it.
Jeremy is a classic case of "there has to be a higher reason for things..." Answer is, no there doesn't have to be a higher reason/purpose for things.
@@sugartoothYT Good answer.
So sad. You limit yourself to this plane of existence. Like insisting on not driving a car, because you cant see the car. People will miss so much if they listen to you.
@@BumbleBee-eh3cn What other planes of existence are there? I'll drive any car that can be driven.
@@BumbleBee-eh3cn Wait, are you saying reality is bad to limit yourself to?
Are you saying that limiting yourself to what is real is bad?
Present evidence of another plane of existence then!
Yikes bro....
And what about not seeing a car? How can you drive something you can't see?
Are you high?
@@BumbleBee-eh3cn how could i drive a car i cannot see or may not exist? What kind of analogy is that?
And as far as most of us are aware there are no other planes of existence we can interact with so....? What exactly is your point here?
*CALLER: "I'm going to give you a perfect example"*
*MATT: "I doubt it."*
LOLOL 8^D
@David Valerio
I left the dislike, prophets profit from lies. But, I do get the joke
Yeah, a perfect example - what a joke
I can never understand how they think there must be a creator but never ask where the creator himself comes from!
They try to copout by saying, "But god has always been/eternal." That whole special pleading bullshit.
@MindCreatedNature Then if god had no beginning, then god never was . . . per your argument something has to start somewhere . . . this is called special pleading. Are you saying god created himself?
They should indeed be more curious than that and ask "how could a god be infinite?", "what mechanism would make it possible?", "what evidence is there *for* this idea and am I justified in believing it?" Instead they just give up.
@@88marome ive found that theyre intelectually lazy, they dont want to think, they dont want to take responsibility for things being real. They cant handle reality.
@MindCreatedNature So there should be no issue with the universe, it's timeless/eternal as well. No need to be created.
"It could be satellites orbiting the earth... or it could be satellites so high in the sky I can't see them".
That is the definition of looking for your glasses while wearing them.
What does he even suggest with "I can't seen them" ... It sounds like : yes, they SAY these are orbiting far far away, just because we can't see them. But also that is incorrect as we can actually see them (with proper equipement) in fact. So the doubt that he tries to create isn't even valid.
I don’t know how Matt Dillahunty does it repeatedly year after year after year after year after year after year! It’s almost like the same idiots call in with the same exact arguments!
Yup, the thinking problem is very widespread and endorsed. One little show can only do so much to instill critical thinking. It's like reaping wheat a stalk at a time.
I say that every time I watch this show
Patience is a virtue. Not one that I possess, but still a virtue.
He had made a nice living doing it.
@MindCreatedNature Just like A-Bigfootism does not have any answers. You still don't get it, do you?
It's Louisiana, folks
wp4866 Say no more. Nothing to see here, folks. Return to your homes.
I've spent a lot of time in Louisiana and my experience with people has been the opposite of this guy.
Bible belt a.k.a bible idiots
@@thomasmills339 so most people you've met there are atheists?
It's not where a person is from that makes them ignorant, I'm raised in the south by Southerners.
I'm an atheist.
If being from somewhere specific meant what you assert then maybe y'all are just making the point for me, as y'all aren't from the south so by default y'all are the intellectuals.
Sure thing.
The epitome of believing out of fear....
Circa 1969, my high school "science seminar" club organized a bus trip to Florida to watch the launch of one of the Gemini missions. We got to have the bus driven out to the launch pad (within 0.25 mile) and could get off the bus and tilt our heads back and get a sense of the huge size of the launch vehicle. The bus drove completely around the pad complex and back to the visitors' center. There was no doubt possible that there was a huge rocket and spce capsule out there.
Next day, we had a good parking spot for the bus, and a good view of the launch pad and vehicle. Tere was no doubt that it was the vehicle we had visited the day before. At T=0, the rocket ignited and moved up through the sky and disappeared over the horizion.Between the sheer sound, and the experiences of our own senses, that rocket went somewhere fast. It was not a little model shown on TV; it was not a mock-up with no people on board; it was obviously and authentically real. [We had been watching the launch activities from our spot on the causway with binoculars and telescopes - we saw the astronauts get in the capsule. etc. etc. not just via television, but directly observed the activities.] It was awesome!
For anyone to tell me that I am wrong or deluded, or to tell me I was fooled by some sort of illusionor technological "mumbo-jumbo" they can take their lies and gaslighting and embed them in their own rectums! I went on to college and majored in Computer Science and Biology-Genetics. I never worked for the government. I never had to lie to a client about science results. I am not afraid or upset that sometimes we just have to admit "we don't now yet." Each year, the "I don't know yet" get whittled down (often resulting in "gee, now we know that, but that means we don't know THIS other thing yet"
As a younger man, I enjoyed debating and showing a-holes where to get off. Flat Earthers and religious fanatics could expect tough questioning and ridicule. But now, at 67 my response to such folks is more of a "you are ignorant, an if you don't cure that ignorance, you are, even worse, terminally stupid.." I would much rather enjoy the wonder that scientific inquiry reveals to us than deal with correcting the crap that the stupids try to force on others. Call it burn-ot, call it fatigue -- I will carry onin joy.
I do greatly appreciate, however, the efforts tha you at AXP and others [SciManDan, BlueMarble, Dr.Bob, Prof. Stick, Mr.Athiest, Genetically Modified Skeptic, and many other] do to contine the struggle against ignorance, anti-intellectualism, and anti-science. Keep up the good work.
[If there are relatively small questions you have about science that I may be able to help with, feel free to e-mail, I have lots of time in retirement. :-) ]
They don't usually cast doubt in the launches, just the stated purpose and destination.
They ignore reports of others tracking the ships going to / from the Moon.
Then again, even if they were convinced that Apollo crews went up, there's no way to convince them that _all_ the vehicles went, as described.
IDK about the hard core ones who say you can't orbit the Earth - whether they think its flat or no.
As for being gaslighted, ate you aware of the Pentagon Papers? That and other proofs support a theory that says that the Vietnam war was an evil murderous government conspiracy started on lies, was entirely illegal, and was for graft and profiteering.
The same goes for our current forever war. Known to be based on lies for $.
You and I with all our decency and education ate tacitly supporting and playing along.
This time, we see the troops going out and coming back in various states of health, and everyone involved from the people whose parents work in the Boeing factory or in government or just us, playing along paying taxes, are yes-men and shills and patsies.
Gregory awesome response
Your ego is fucking amazing
Believers, you all claim to have “evidence” God exists, but when asked to produce that evidence, you just rant like a street preacher.
Why?
Because that's all they have to offer. You know and they know that their arguments are worthless in all reality but they have invested so much time and effort into their fantasy belief that they just can't let it go and have to talk to you about it. They have false hope.
@MindCreatedNature
Prove it.
@David Valerio He deleted his youtube account hahaha
Because in their idiot circle, they all just believe because they were told God is real. They dont question one another. They wont challenge their faith...that leads to doubt and the DEVIL!!
I left it in my other pants.
By the way, pants be with you, and also with you.
The Soviets, along with some amateur radio operators, tracked Apollo all the way to the moon.
Also, I just saw Venus with my telescope the other day and to no one's surprise, it has phases just like the moon, it's almost like it orbits the Sun or something /s
No, yhwh intended it to look that way...
the soviets agreed to confirm the moon landings in return for the americans agreeing to confirm gagarin and sputnik - it was all worked out decades ahead. LOL
I've gotta be careful, I got a snack to eat while watching the program.
Nearly choked to death, this caller was hilarious.
Theists have such trouble with the fact that 'not believing in God' =/= 'there is no God'
They even have more trouble with "not believing"..
@MindCreatedNature My parents had sex
Even sadder, i have met atheist here who still dont know this basic stuff.
@MindCreatedNature Actually our parents did "create" us with having sex. They performed an act with the result of us forming in our mothers whomb. Maybe its without the magic you imagine exist but they created us none the less. Your original question shows the same logical fallacy as the caller, you are begging the question. Our parents created us by having sex. Nobody designed us because we arent designed. What a puddle of mud has to do with anything here, that was just a dumb attempt i guess.
First you need to demonstrate a god exist. Then you need to demonstrate he raised the dead. None of those claims you can fullfill the burden of proof on.
And in your case belief has nothing to do with facts. Its why you apply faith which is basicly pretending until you believe it. (most dishonest and selfdeceptive position a person can hold). Other people believe things for good reasons like evidence. And until a claim has sufficiently met its burden of proof they dont believe that claim to be true.
Its also called the default position.
@MindCreatedNature we do have control over life. We reproduce. Bringing the dead back to life has nothing to do with that.
Now we don't choose every little thing that happens in biological reproduction. But the organism thst reproduces does control, usually, the start of the process.
Nobody has an explanation about why the universe exists, so it must be an old bearded guy in the sky.
@MindCreatedNature No, it didn't. The big bang is a conventional beginning and we simply don't know the status of the universe previous to it, plus there is a chance that the big bang is an extrapolation gone too far. But even if we don't consider that, empty space seems to be populated by all possible pairs of particles/antiparticles and you can dislodge them by adding specific amounts of energy anywhere you aim.
So there is a very good chance that our thinking about matter is incorrect and we are simply "holes" in a medium in equilibrium and that conventional beginning is simply a bubble ON IT. If that is the case, the universe would be infinite and our reality would be simply a local event.
Also, your thinking is flawed. Any given infinite set contains infinite finite subsets. You can have infinite time and live in a finite window. The fact that you can't physically track all events to a single source doesn't mean it is impossible for it to happen on its own. What you are saying is that because pi has infinite digits is impossible to get the n-th digit of the sequence which is simply wrong.
@MindCreatedNature Space before matter doesn't make sense. Space implies there's at least two things that are x units apart, which means things have to exist for space to be a meaningful concept.
@MindCreatedNature Again, you are an idiot. According to your own holy books, there was no point in which there was a nothing, god was always there in some form. Call it another realm of existence or whatever, it doesn't matter, it was not a nothingness, and there were events and causality. The same is true for your ** god. He is supposedly infinite and exists outside of time and managed to create a finite universe, so your pseudobabbling is just another example of special pleading. And we don't take your word that this or that can or cannot be, if you assert something prove it and infinite regression is not a problem, as a matter of fact I already explained one of the many ways it is possible. Finally we do follow the evidence and it leads to a point after which we don't have information. We call it a conventional beginning and state clearly that we don't know what was before. And you guys are the ones hammering reality to fit a book written by goatherders without an ounce of imagination and very little knowledge.
@MindCreatedNature who and why should care what is written in Bible?
@MindCreatedNature
There are a lot of people like this caller in the US...and they vote.
Put it this way, *not all Republicans are flat-earthers* but you can bet your bottom dollar *a vast majority flat-earthers are Republican*
@@Counter-Intuitive yeah because Democrats are super amazing and propose real and effective solutions...
Oh wait no, they don't
@@scottc1857 The reason democrats aren't as effective as they once were is bc they've become Republican-lite DINOs. Unfortunately the affective ones aka (real Progressives) don't have the power to affect real change or this country would look more like Denmark or Canada where pursuing the "American Dream" is twice as easy.
The WORLD is full of people like this. The US doesn't have a monopoly on idiots.
Dennisfilming, it's a worldwide phenomenon not a localized US problem.
Must be pretty nice up on that horse of yours.
"I Don't Want to Be Wrong About God "
Which one?
@MindCreatedNature "There is only one true God - the God of the Bible. "
Oh, that one. The capricious misogynistic immoral genocidal moron ( according to how that god is portrayed in the Bible).
Now that you have specified which god you believe in, what evidence can you present that this god exists?
@MindCreatedNature you're still wrong, even the the god of the Bible is a cheap copy.
MindCreatedNature, cheap copies! Hahaha, your lame ass god is actually very modern as far as ancient religions and deities go - yahweh is one of the cheapest copies going around, you’d know this if you valued the truth enough to search it out.. but like most theists choose to remain dumb and numb.
MindCreatedNature The God that, in his divinely inspired text, felt the need to plagurise Gilgamesh and the Illiad among many others?
There is only one. Read the Bible. His son will come and you must choose a side. Their is no middle. You must choose good or bad. The good makes your life better. Why would you not choose good?
Another example of our failed US education system, actually I would guess that this type of ignorance breeds from religious schools that teach that the Loch Ness monster is proof that dinosaurs lived with humans😂😂😂. It’s really an embarrassment to the human species.
Wait what about secular schools?
@@dekuboidonut4552
What about them?
@@isuckharderthanlife5413 he talked about how the us education system sucks in general then specifically blames religious schools. So if they American education system is that bad are the Secular and religious schools equally as bad in the US?
@@dekuboidonut4552 When you have a theme park dedicated to a religious contradiction in reality and payed for by tax payers then there is definitely something wrong with the US education system promoting a false education.
Don't talk shit about Nessy
Why do all these callers never sound like they call-in with their brains actually in gear and ready to talk about what they believe... It always seems to take like five minutes for them to start actually saying anything....
I noticed that years ago.
You can literally tell if a caller is theist or atheist BEFORE they even say so....based _entirely_ on the vocal tone/inflection of the first few words they speak. The theist callers almost always sound.....vaguely drugged. Sometimes it's not remotely vague....
It's like the lack of clarity in their mind....is demonstrated in how their mouth literally _articulates noises._
@@avedic Well, for them it's something that they've never had to justify, to anyone. Their minds have been in neutral for years - these are the noises of someone slowly waking up, using what little critical thinking they have as it relates to their beliefs to try and justify the dogma...
As soon as he mentioned the moon landings I stood up from my chair, stepped away from my desk, closed my eyes, rubbed the bridge of my nose, closed TH-cam and promptly died 💀
Yeah. That was just like talking to a flerfer, because Jeremy is obviously a flerfer. Denial of the nature of planets, denial of space, denial of landing on the moon, all trademark flat earth lunacy.
Obviously, those things are all products of the great lizardman conspiracy to eat all of our children.
Probably best not to tell him that many of the people who spread this kind of nonsense are selling merch and profiting off of people's indignation and lack of fact-checking.
I dunno. Halfway in, he seems like he is just trying to understand. He clearly has no training in logic, but he is trying to understand, and that’s the first step.
Well, he did call himself a truth seeker. That basically says it all.
@@sundayschoolflunkie3979 there's merch to buy about flat earth........oh wait I had an education.
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I agree, halfway through he just started repeating words like a parrot.
Like he was testing the limit of his own personal understand of the "information" he had been indoctrinated in.
Then he renigged and threw out any hope of getting a point across.
I was kind of with Jeremy's argument from ignorance and Pascals Wager at the start because he didn't understand the atheist pov and he didn't know any better. When he started claiming that outer space doesn't exist though, I mean, just, wow.
Wow is right, i had to rewind and listen carefully again......did he say space is fake? Like what does that even mean?, you can see space ffs.
And the watchmaker argument.
"The evidence that I believe in is that there must be something."
What, what?
Yeah that's not evidence. Lol
I just love Denis' face when Jeremy says "hmm! That makes logical sense!" 🤣
Jeremy started off pretty well , then fell thousands of meters into the pit of plain stupidity, absolutely amazing. Even Matt didn't know where to start, it's like explaining calculous to a two year old child, impossible
These people (all the Jeremys) are allowed to have children and vote! there really is very little hope for humanity.
Paul,
Not true! Hope is built-in, but it is the doing that counts. I see many bright children, free of the religion disease, that gives me hope. Global statistics show the human condition getting better overall though out recorded history.
Be proactive, there is hope!
Paul Abrahams; People like Jeremy should in fact have a Right to vote and reproduce, just as nearly every human being should.
Once we begin to insist that certain people should not have the Right to reproduce, we are then opening the door for people like Jeremy and the even more dogmatic Christian Right wingers, who are quite often in positions of power, to insist that atheists, agnostics, Liberals, Leftists, gays, transsexuals, people of color , poor people and anyone else they believe is out of favor with their god, not be allowed to reproduce.
As for voting Rights, it is a historical fact that the denial of the Right to vote, goes hand in hand with denying people the Right to an education. If we deny people who are uneducated the Right to vote, you can rest assure knowing that eventually still more people will be denied the Right to an education.
@@jamesguilford6807 Yeah ok but he still sounded dim
@@MrPaul0123 ; To say that Jeremy sounds ''dim,'' is a serious understatement.
Paul; are you feeling a bit dim lately ?
LOL; just messin with ya Paul !
Never say die
Anyone else fall over laughing when he dropped “etymology” and “logic” in the middle of that dumpster fire or a call? 😂😂😂
I;m sorry but I lost it when Matt gave this moron a lesson - "That is literally what orbiting the earth means! " I had to pause and finish laughing and then watch it twice more and laugh again. This was so funny!
LOL. This is one caller that I wish Matt didn't cut off because I wanted him to explain what he meant by "It could be satellite orbiting the earth or satellite so high up in the sky that I cannot see".
When ignorant people claim to be truth seekers all hell breaks loose.
"People who claim to seek the truth will often discard it when it doesn't look the way they expected" Anthony DeMello (a catholic priest, ironically)
Truth seekers, not fact checked well informed intelligent people.
If it doesn't lean towards their beliefs it's not true.
But in reality, where adults don't live in willingly ignorant states of pretending make-believe is real, we can just pity them.
Condescension just pushes them away, at least that's what I've experienced. Too bad I'm not the hand holding type.
Any time someone describes themselves as a "truth seeker", it's a fair bet that they have no understanding or, no interest in and no way of finding out what the truth is using their current views and methodology.
That's why they're not interested in fact checking or peer review.
EVERYTHING that caller said about his beliefs and disbeliefs about god and moon landing. All his what I will loosely call arguments. I deal with that at work. Several people I work with sound EXACTLY like that caller. It baffles me beyond belief. And Incase what you comment readers are wondering where I work. I’m a cook. There’s dishwashers and other cooks that really believe they are constantly being lied to about science but there most of been a creator. Give me a break.
Its Utterly Ridiculous to believe that their was actually a faked moon landing filmed in Sweden when we all know they landed in Cleveland;Ohio
@Steven...I'm guessing some days can be very long and soul-destroying when your colleagues begin embarrassing themselves...the problem is with people like this you cannot talk them into understanding the facts, they arrived at their conclusions illogically and they defend their insanity illogically, it's really not worth wasting your breath with people who believe everything is a conspiracy theory.
@@johnd.shultz7423 🤣🤣🤣
Don't feel too bad, I've worked as a cook, dishwasher, blue-collar and white-collar jobs.
It's in all these from landscaping to sales manager and up...
Well, maybe on second thought, we should feel worse.
"Look, guys, we've not got another option so let's just go with the butler, they usually did it."
I was confused as to why Jeremy was getting so much hate in the comments. And then I got to the second half of the video
Gosh, I could sense Matt getting angrier every minute ! "Jackass" is about the right description for someone who won't spend 10 minutes learning some basic science, but who will be willing to waste 20 minutes of AE's time by asking ridiculous stuff like " Who created the universe? " Why the hell are atheists expected to be experts on everything cosmological, biological, ethical and historical, etc ? Because the theists are too bloody lazy to do their own homework.
Yes, they just believe what is told to them and recite it like a parrot.
I watch this video's in complete chronological DISorder, but again and again I am surprices how much patient Matt has with these jerks.
It is mosttime clear in the first 4 minutes what direction their trail of crap is going to take. Would be sooner if they did not need so much time to get their story clear.
He mosttime let them formulate their idea's, tha doesn't irritate him that much, but it's the avoiding direct answers or listening to answers given that pisses him off.
I for myself would not have the patience to argue with a three year old, so having the patience of listening to a grown-up arguing like a three year old would be complete beyond me. Great achievement on Matts account.
This was a fucking emotional roller coaster. Never have I thought more that we had gotten through to someone only to have them turn around and deny satellites and claim a flat earth. I'm in awe of his stupidity.
My parents were involved in the first flight to the moon.They are pretty convinced it happened.
NikkiC83 ur just a shill for Big Science and the corrupt NASA Globalists. ;)
that's so cool
"Why are you cursing though?"- "Because i can!" . Gotta love Matt :D
It's actually quite simple.
If you don't want to be wrong about it then make sure your answer is always "I don't know".
Thank you, It's always fun to hear the response to "why do you believe?" and then following stammer or confused justification. Believers are hilarious!
6:24 "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you". -- Gerry Rafferty. Performed by "Stealers Wheel"
Cool, but isn't there a " Here I am " wedged in the middle of that chorus??
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You are correct, I will edit.
Great program
many thanks for posting
You both have golden patience with fellows that keep on mumbling!
I dont get how conspiracy theorist are so quick to say governments, experts, etc are lying, but they believe some random youtuber or blogger
I hate when flat earthers say that they’ve done research. You literally watched a few TH-cam videos and probably read a couple of blogs. That’s not research
Indeed, this "research" is done by people who've never been to college.
They can't cite where they get the info from, no book titles, page numbers, paragraphs or anything else.
It's so damned sad.
Table earth, flat earth, geocentric solar system, space is fake.
From people who pretend make-believe magical characters from ancient stories are real. This shows the mind of madness is one of limited cognitive ability.
Matt's reaction to the word "planets" is amazing. I've rewound and watched it five times now.
Yep, as a therapist I can completely relate to the flow here.
Jeremy: Here's a question: Out of all the thousands of gods there were, what are the odds that your god appeared and said "I am the one true and correct god. Believe in me only." What are the odds on that?
MCN: Why a book? Of all things, an intelligent all-knowing being leaves a book to explain everything. I think not.
@MindCreatedNature If there actually is a creator, he would have burned all religious folks for all the corruption they created. Im talking about controling people, seperating them, taking freedoms away, lies, wars, slavery, terrorism and I can go on and on for hours...
How can you say god CLEARLY made me? How is that so clear to you? Where you there when god created me? Or did you get that information from an old book that was CLEARLY written by a fucking Hitler minded human that wanted to scare people into following his orders.
@MindCreatedNature Facts clearly don't matter to you, you don't even know what one is.
MCN: You didn't answer the question. Out of all the thousands of mythical gods out there, what are the oods that your god appeared and said "I am, and only I, am the one, true, and correct god. Believe in me only?"
MCN: If god is all-knowing, then with leaving a book, he would have known that it would cause a lot of confusion and misunderstandings. Why can't he present reality in person. That would have made a lot more sense.
Yet another example of american "education" HOORAAH ! ................
Ar ya a yiehaw or a yahoo?
Flat earth nonsense is also a plague all across Europe, South America and Australia. Brazil's flat earth movement is reportedly around 11 million strong-- about 7 percent of the country's population. It's a problem of mental disorder (paranoia) more than education/intelligence, though education does help prevent gullibility.
@@TheRealFumigator if you are a globe earther, you have to be 2x more gullible than a flat earther!! WTF are you talking about
It's no the American Education. It's those that didn't participate in the American Education.
@@asdpoqwer3727 Excuses ..................
He started almost reasonable... But he took the wrong turn on the moon question.
I love the anger in this, the passion is important.
That definitely sounded like D Marble, the ignorant guy that believes in Flat "Urf".
It's not D Marble. He's far more smug
And he's doing the flat erf stuff for $$$$.
Their voices are indeed similar, but D-marble is far more coherent than this dude (and probably even more delusional).
I hope he's not an Flat Earther.
As for the petrified wood, why would Neil even be able to give a piece of moon rock to someone.
NASA isn't giving up something like that to even it's astronauts.
The petrified wood story is false. Its just more widely circulated hoaxer nonsense. Neil Armstrong never gave any object to anyone that turned out to be petrified wood.
@@joevignolor4u949 that's correct
I absolutely refuse to pretend have “honest discussions” with people who ask “who made” in regards to the universe or “well really we don’t know anything” in order to shoehorn magic into a conversation about reality.
It’s 2021 and guys like the caller are STILL the norm.
Jeremy is teachable. There is hope.
after all these years of this show, Matt might finally conclude, that the chances of an intelligent believer calling in are just as low as getting god himself on the line.
Who created god? Who created that creator. Tell me when you get to the bottom of this regression without hope or merit.
Imaginary things don't exist in reality so they don't seem inconsistent with reality.
@ Yes, but we call thoughts "imaginary" that exist in our minds/brains that are about our
world yet inconsistent with our world.
I sooOOoo want The Big Foot Show with Matt & Denis & everybody!
My favorite moment is the “Oh, boy” with the eye roll from Denis at 4:24.
There are countless creation stories created by myriad cultures throughout Time -which one is correct if any?
MindCreatedNature, we know how the earth was created and your god isn’t part of it. Come out of your cave and join reality with the rest of us!
@TickerTaallick I'm thinking never neverendingparty/dr James powers sock account
@MindCreatedNature ANOTHER BIASED OPINION BACKED BY NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!TRY AGAIN!
Yet your "infinite being (also supposedly "omniscient") made such a mess of humanity that "he" had to flush the entire planet to cleanse it of a shitty job....@MindCreatedNature
@TickerTaallick He has no "evidence" just a fearfull,desperate grasping at a fairy tale that makes him feel "secure"
Don't be too hard on Jeremy, there is always hope. I was stuck where he is now for 40 years before I woke up.
I'm not talking about the conspiracy theory nonsense, I was never that stupid, I'm talking about religion.
That was kind of a dumb thing for me to say wasn't it?
The odds that we never went to the Moon are much better than the odds that religion is true.
I lost it during the big foot conversation 🤣
You lost it...
Abandonable Snowman ...
The soviets put reflectors on the moon in 1970 using a rover. You don't physically need a person on the moon to do it.
This guy has to be a flat earther, and I’ve never heard a flat earther that wasn’t an imaginary god believer. It’s ironic the internet has enabled science ignorant people to use scientifically developed technology to promote their ignorance.
Yeah his comment on satellites set off my flat-Earther detector, too.
Tyrone Tucker are you an anti science imaginary god lover?
@@tyronetucker3093 The word horizon derives from the Greek "ὁρίζων κύκλος" horizōn kyklos, "separating circle", where "ὁρίζων" is from the verb ὁρίζω horizō, "to divide", "to separate", which in turn derives from "ὅρος" (oros), "boundary, landmark".
This is the definition of horizon according to Wikipedia. Please point us to a credible source where the reason it was first called horizon because it is horizontal so that the wikipedia definition can be changed.
I don’t believe because I don’t have evidence, simple as that
@MindCreatedNature I did the research. Bible is false. Your wrong, my research demonstrates such
7:56 Love the cheering!
Believing out of fear is such a copout just like having a gud of your understanding.
I would put money on it that he don't believe a certain pandemic is happening.
We were doing just fine until the wagon went of a cliff, HOLY SHIT
I like the talking snake, he's an honest guy
This was actually a really good call
This has to be one of the least articulate callers I’ve heard.
Hmm, wait till somebody calls from other continents, sometimes it's hard to recognize they speak English
Everybody talking about how terrible the caller is but tbh he was still more humble then most callers 🤷🏾♀️
I call BULLSHIT. I can’t recall a time when Matt called a humble caller a jack ass and hung up on them.
Matt looks so similar to my dad its almost scary!. Love the show, Ive just recently started watching the Atheist Experience and Talk Heathen. Very interesting conversations to listen too, when they arent being asshats or somewhere on a pink cloud.
Maybe he is your dad. The fact that he looks similar and that they have never been together in the same room is evidence to support that idea.
I like the Bigfoot analogy.
That was painful to listen to. The dude can hardly string a sentence together. Matt gave him way too much latitude.
Man created god, therefore god could not have created man.
Granted, the Universe not what is but that is ultimate mystery why there's something rather than nothing
Suat Ustel There’s no such thing as nothing. I don’t see your point with this comment yes there is something rather than nothing but why does that mean we have to have been created by a higher power.
@@fernandodingler372 simple way to get head round this dilemma, universe to be understand or revealing itself in algorithmic terms, but us not fully making something of it, in our world there is hierarchical order from single molecules to highly intelligent agents like us and asserting intelligence terminates in human mind labels us self conceited, maybe the ultimate reality belongs to immortals and we are derivative forms maybe satisfy, their curiosity, entertainment or expedient and acting for as their pets, questions such as 'when, how, why, since, until ' exclude their domain, we can discuss further if you wish regards
Suat Ustel so first don’t patronize me. And second just to make sure are you saying there had to have been a god to create us?
Suat Ustel also nobody asserted intelligence terminates in human minds?
Their voices are so similar!! (Matt and Denis) i was just listening for a while and i was like huhhh? 🤣🤣
Extra points for mentioning James Burke's Connections and The Day The Universe Changed.
Coming next week: The Bigfoot Experience!
The "A-Bigfootist Experience". No, we don't have to provide proof that bigfoot doesn't exist.
Does it only have one foot
Do not lay all the blame on the educational system. I bet some of his classmates back in school know at least as much about science as you two do. Sometimes it is not the teacher, but the student. I do not lay my knowledge of things at the feet of my educators. It is MY responsibility to educate myself.
This fool on the phone agrees with you he educated himself by listening to people that think like he does , American xtians .
I blame the parents for the indoctrination.
There's 2 types of education : edutcation free of religion, and education not free from religion. Have a guess what the caller had.
This guy would take his car to a mechanic because his engine management light came on, then stand over the mechanic telling him how to fix the problem.
Well, that escalated quickly.
These arguments about the Moon landings really annoy me. My father was a radio chemist and he did the analysis and dating on some of the rock and dust samples that were brought back. I saw the samples. I’ve seen copies of his work. The analysis of these samples was exhaustive (obviously) and peer reviewed in triplicate. There is no way it was a fraud. It would have taken far more work to perpetrate than to actually go there.
Who created da erf? Who created physics? Damn, our public school system is woefully lacking...
Ptuffgong He was calling from Louisiana. Charter school heaven.
There are plenty of people who don't believe we went to the Moon, but this is the first guy I've heard who, (therefore), believes that there IS NO MOON.
Actually a proto planetary disk was just observed the other day forming planets for the first time. So in a sense observing the sky we do have a time machine.