@@dariusnoname12 Maybe but he needs a lot of time cause he's the strong believer. He came with religious claims and tried to prove them as an absolute truth.
@@wildylupous Obviously yeah, religions come with self-defence mechanisms after all. The mind is reluctant to change on core beliefs so for this caller to acknowledge himself that faith is an unreliable pathway to truth is taking a huge step. Props to the caller for being honest.
I've been an atheist for five years now. I was brought up as a fundamentalist Christrian and I worked in children's ministry for 20 years since the age of 12. I almost became a pastor in 2010. I was a worship leader for the last six years of my Christian life. What saved me and liberated me from Christianity was rationality. My hunger for truth finally became too strong and I looked at the gospel and realised God was a cunt for creating people who would go to hell despite knowing they would go to hell.
and what did your christians friends think about you know being an athiest and have you tried to bring them to the truth or are they typically to backward to understand, like this caller
Are you kidding? If I barely squeak my way into heaven, I probably won't have a fancy mansion and an in-ground swimming pool, so I'll be able to go up to one of those gullible people, saying, "Jesus said you should give me your house and pool, and you want to make him happy, so..."
@Michael Hope , that does sound like heaven. They'd probably get more followers if they pitched your idea of heaven rather than streets of gold and 24/7 singing of old hymns.
I`ve TRIED, but they do not believe, they are so bad people that they will end up as Scrap Yard attendants, when they die ! ........ And it is their OWN choice, they ought to believe ..................@Nil Hisit
My name is EL. I love my children. But I don't kiss them. I don't hug them either. I locked them in their room and talked to them through the door for a while. Then I stopped talking to them completely. Now they're adults and have their own life that I'm not a part of at all. They are struggling. The always struggled with me to - that's why I named them IS RA EL. But they know I love them more than anything because of the locked door, because of the Gap I created between us and because of the struggle I made for them.
This caller was wonderful compared to what they usually get. He seems really sincere and willing to *think* about what he believes. And Kudos to Seth and Matt for giving him the space to think through his beliefs.
"Muhammad was more like a warrior..." Sure. And Jesus (the character) was the son of a labourer. I never quite got where these theists find the sense of superiority when they compare their religion to the other thousands on earth.
庫倫亞利克 this is what the God of Muhammad said . “Allah is He, who created the sun, the moon, and the stars (all) governed by laws under His commandment.” (7:54) - [ ] “And He subjected the sun and the moon (to His law); each one runs its course for a term appointed.” (13:2), (31:29), (35:13), and (39:5) - [ ] “God is the One Who created seven heavens and of the earth a similar number. The command descends upon them so that you know that God has power over all things and comprehends all things in His knowledge.” (65:12) - [ ] “And made the moon a light in their midst and made the sun as a (Glorious) lamp.” (71:16) - [ ] “It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit.” (21:33) “It is not allowable for sun to reach the moon ,nor does the night overtake the day ,but each in an orbit ,is swimming.036.040 . Y - [ ] “Consider those (stars) that rise only to set. And move (in their orbits) with steady motion. And float (through space) with floating serene. And yet overtake (one another) with swift overtaking. And thus fulfil the (Creator’s) behest!” (79:1-5) - [ ] 081 ,15 Sahih international : so I swear by the retreating stars - 081.016 : Sahih international : those that run their courses and disappear . “Then He turned to the sky when it had been gas and said to it and to the earth, condense willingly or unwillingly. And they said, “We condensed willingly.” (41:11) “He Who created the seven heavens, one above another: No want of proportion will you see in the creation of Most Gracious, so turn your face again; Do you see any flaw ... .... And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ....” (67:3-5) “The sun and moon (are subjected) to calculations.” (55:05)
@@paragonofvirtue270 hello which quran are you quoting from ,i mean the publisher ,is it an english quran ,i have 23 qurans they all differ in many suras and translations ,i have 2 arbi qurans one from my teenage years ,again differing in places ,this in spie of all the noise of no changes made in quran ,apologize for my english not my native language .
The Quran can only be understood in 7th Century Arabic.. So, even as a Religious Story, it is still totally inaccessible to most of the World's population. Very few humans will have access to decipher whatever the alleged Creator of the Universe wants humans to believe.
@@paragonofvirtue270, doesn't the Quran also tell slave owners that if they don't feel like having sex with their wives, they're allowed having sex (to rape) their slaves? Or if their wives don't listen to them, they should beat them (lightly beat them if you think that sounds better)? That has nothing to do with the scientific inaccuracies you forgot to mention though. I'm just saying it definitely isn't the word of "Allah" unless Allah is in favor of beating women and raping slaves.
@@reasonablespeculation3893 BS. Very, very similar to the old church rulings that the bible could only be understood in Latin. Even to the extent that they made illegal to do liturgy in any other language. It's bullshit.
Great video...I didnt know about this channel until today. I love it...I'm a proud Black Atheist and I needed to find shows like this because theists are crazy. I'm so glad I left that bs.⚛
That's hilarious. Selfies. Has a phone been made to take His picture? The illumination alone would be the problem. That's just a thought. The book of Matthew has Jesus genealogy in it. You could use that to check if exists. You should probably stop looking for a white guy with long hair. He may even look like you.
I used to work in a jail where a lot of mentals claimed to be either God or the second coming of Jesus. The religious deputies I worked with would ridicule the inmates. One is even a street preacher. I would just sit back and laugh at the hypocrisy.
Richard Dawkins tells a story (can't remember where) about clerics at Oxford ridiculing African tribes for their absurd animistic beliefs, seemingly oblivious to the irony arising from their own beliefs, which are equally ridiculous. It is all very human, I guess.
Have you ever wondered if Jesus was mentally ill? Sane people don't claim to be gods, especially when it'll get you killed when you don't actually have the omnipotence to back up your claim.
@@jackriddle4017 RECRUITED THEN IF YOU PREFER....Did someone try to tell you to be a Jehova's witness?....did someone try to tell you to be a Mormon?....did someone tell you Islam is the way? Did your parents take you to their church? Did your parents take you to somebody else's church???
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ~Hebrews 11:1
The word "faith" is defined as "belief that is not based on proof," or--in other words--belief without evidence. The word "substance" is defined as " that of which a thing consists." Faith then, by definition, consists of itself--belief without evidence--therefore contains no evidence, and thusly, cannot be the substance or evidence of anything!
Wow I’m sort of relieved to see others like Matt and Seth struggle with xtians who maintain the illusion even after admitting verbally that it doesn’t make sense unless you’re gullible. Like they really believed that they would never be shown there fallacies so since this is so rare it don’t count anyway because they need to go and check their notes and will think about it. Lol 🥅
I think there's hope for this guy. He's honest, he's clearly listening and takes time to think before answering questions. He also sounds fairly young, whether or not he becomes an atheist I kinda want to hear from him again.
They want the fuzzy parts to be true and not care what else they have to let in in order to have the fuzz. So they believe for heaven, but don't care that that means perfectly good people roast in hell
High part of real believers(those that read bible and still believe) are happy believing that others would go to hell for minor things like questioning, not-believing, loving others more than god. Not only that, high part of them even believe that slavery is good if slaver is god(cause if heaven exists as it is proclaimed in bible and explained by theists, it is basically slave grounds)
I would have to give this guy high marks. Very high marks. He was honest, he struggled to understand, he acknowledged what Seth and Matt were saying. I have a lot of respect from this guy, he was a breath of fresh air considering the normal type of call in. And watching both Seth and Matt in operation here, I have no question that they not only fully respected this man but appreciated how he interacted. In fact, they really were invested in helping him because he is the kind of person one would care about.
Agree entirely, Edward Graivier. Too many other commenters here fail to realize that Chris isn't at all "not listening" to Matt and Seth. It's important, if we want to help god-believers, to actually listen to what they are saying. Not all of them are close-minded, and many are on a long tough journey to enlightenment. I give you high marks as well.
"But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle - Peter, Paul or James - knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie , and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery." - Dr. Bart Ehrman, PhD, New Testament scholar.
To the caller's credit he really did seem like he was trying to follow along with Matt and Seth's comments. So often it almost feels like the caller is mindlessly reading from a script, a really good point will be made to them and it just flows over them like water and they move on to the next bullet point. I didn't get that as much from this guy.
There are MILLIONS of legitimately stupid people on this planet. Here in the US, just having a retail job or working as a server in a restaurant will show you the idiocy that exists in society today. Our education system is a huge fault, but our parents are really the problem.
Everything about religious belief depends on faith. What really destroys faith? Lies that religious people tell. One thing we can all thank Trump for is making it so very clear how corrupt the morality of religious people is. Or as Trump would say "Fake morality". Years ago I had faith, I believed. I had no reason not to believe. But hearing lies told to me by religious people gave me reasons NOT to believe. People, particularly evangelical people, who are the same people who today worship Trump, caused me to realize that lies is all they have to offer. I no longer believe in Jesus. But if there was such a being, he would not approve of what Trump evangelicals do or say. Jesus would say that lying is wrong.
Thank you all for what you do. I am an ex-JW Jehovah's witness and have abandoned religion as we know it, all together. If there is a good of kind mercy, it is not depicted in the Bible. If there is a good who cares at all, that would be a bonus to the human story, but I am no longer convinced. It is not necessary to believe in a creator to be a loving human, in fact, not believing might just make us more human and more loving.
anyone home: No, I don't think that YOU heard Chris. After a while, as other commenters have observed, he came around to several points. For instance, he no longer thinks that faith alone constitutes evidence.
@@ghettofreeze He just kept saying "right,okay",not to agree but to move on to his next comment - near the end of his call, his words were "I think these are things God implanted in us"
At some point in everyone's life, they believe false claims. When I was a child, I believed that God lives in the sky. Moses believed God lives up a mountain.
At 17:45 Chris admitted that he wants it to be true. Against all other types of reasoning he really "wants to be believe" in a supernatural being. As with many others who call in to discuss their "faith" i find it comes down to being intellectually lazy.
Truthfully Matt always starts that way and will continue when the caller is honest and having a conversation…if not he loses it on them…which also helps the listeners see more logic and truth
Yahweh, the Hebrew god in Genesis who cannot make a mistake, creates a PERFECT COSMOS, and declares it to be good. Then he introduces FREE WILL and the potential for evil, which is exactly what happens, because he planned it that way. Having ruined his own creation, the all powerful Yahweh comes into human form to save his own creation from eternal damnation. He does it by committing suicide. The rest of the story, flush with miracles, goes against everything we know about the real world of Nature. The Holy Bible is the greatest bullshit story ever told - a Bronze Age tribal collection of literature designed to create fear, guilt and mental chaos within the human nervous system. It's bad for ya.
When he goes "I've studied the different philosophical arguments, like the argument from ignorance" I'm like "Nah dude, you've watched videoes on youtube of theists getting hammered by atheists when they use their shitty arguments and that is why you reframed from answering any questions."
@Austin Mark I've watched more videoes than I dare admit of the athiest experience over the years and theists have prettu much alwaus used the SAME arguments over and over again (plenty of them even admit to it). The only real thing that has changed is their attitude. The AXP no longer receive threats of decapitation, Matt generally doesn't have to hang up on them AS much any more when they get exposed and they're more kindle as they realize their historically permanent majority is shrinking and those of minority faiths (atheist, muslim, hindu, shiek etc.) are less willing to take their shit anymore.
@Austin Mark None of those people call the show anymore, because the show is no longer run on weekends on public access TV. It´s on TH-cam now. Younger audience that HAS to have a connection to the internet or more accurately, has access to information other than what their parents and priests are telling them is true.
@S Gloobal what a fucking loseryou are. I mean you worship the same being that said that kidnapping your ancestors, keeping them as slaves and that you're allowed to beat them as long as you don't did with in day (or 2!) is moral. And yet here you are bible thumping like the sucker your ancestors' slavemasters believed you to be. How do you feel about that? To be such a loser? I really mean it! Describe the experience to me in full!
I've been watching these clips almost continuously for over a month or so now. I've heard Matt ask at least 2 dozen people is faith a reliable path to truth. While he didn't come out and say no he at least said probably not. First one I've heard yet say something as honest as that
You would think anyone listening to their own argument on faith, would understand their statements don't hold water; Why is it, religion gets all kinds of Tax exemptions and they can't prove any existence of a god, I'm an Atheist way should I have to pay addition Taxes to make up for what they don't pay. To put it simply I must produce something in claiming a tax deduction and it must be true under penalty of the law. Where is their proof.
"How do you know it really happened?" "Well, he was there, in Rome, and like, Pilat, and the times were, like, he was Jesus, y'know?" Holy shit, he's got us.
Your transcript reminded me of Dylan Moran bit: “So I was, like, there. And there was, like, a guy, like with a gun and he started, you know like, shooting” But I liked this caller. One of the few callers who admitted that faith is not reliable on the air
Think of the most influential, inspiring and loving person you've ever met. Now imagine them insisting that you worship them because you recognise these qualities inherent to them. The desire of a god to be worshipped, is proof of no god
So people like Hitler deserves eternal punishment for their crimes, or "sins" in religious parlance. There's one tiny little problem with that idea. Doesn't the bible say that ANYONE who accepts Jesus, and/or god, and repents for their sins would be granted eternal life?! Ergo, as a christian, and given that Hitler was ALSO a christian, it's more probable that he would, by biblical standards, would NOT suffer eternal punishment for his crimes! Let THAT sink in for a moment.
@Bad Boys Boogie "Thou shalt not paint a likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth or anything you saw in the Natural History Museum" Exodus 20:4 is very clear on this point.
It simply comes down to: “I believe this religious bullshit ‘cause I was randomly born into this culture and was told to believe it as a child.” “I have virtually no shred of verifiable data or empirical, science based evidence of any supernatural events or gods, I just believe it.” If all theist callers would state this fact before they ramble on, these calls would be much shorter! This caller is on his way to being an Atheist. Well done! 👍
I wish the sunken cost fallacy would be brought up more often, it could help some people with their emotions after investing a lot over their live into christianity and reading the bible etc.
You want religion to be true to beleive people like hitler and stalin are suffering in hell... Yet hitler would be in heaven according to your religion... Just because he was a horrible person, he was still a christian and beleived in god and jesus, which according to christianity all you need to get into heavan is to beleive jesus did for your sins...
Dear Matt; I've noticed that the _"if I say that I'm not convinced you committed this crime, does that mean I'm saying you're innocent"_ -analogy regularly confuses the caller more than it clears stuff up. Maybe if you bring it like this: "if I say that _the evidence I was presented with_ didn't convince me that you did the crime, does that mean..." etc. it might help? Good show again, guys!
Even though they step on eachothers toes a bit (not in a confrontational or spot light stealing way, in the simple way of they both move to speak at the same time) it is never the less awesome to see them together as opposed to the way most of the co hosts work with Matt which is that they are alot more ready to let him totally lead and dominate (as he should he is the man afterall) but its still nice to see Matt working with someone just as passionate and willing to speak as he is. It's a good tag team.
Sometimes I really feel bad for these theists. They make themselves sound so stupid and they know they sound stupid but they do not want to acknowledge their religious make zero sense.
It is refreshing for someone to be honest when their flawed reasoning is exposed. This call illustrates the mental claws that religion uses to cling to the minds of believers.
GORRAM It..... I DONT care bout Hitler or any S**thole..... I would LOVE to see my Gram again.... And just meet her Hubby.....id pay $$$$$$$$ to talk to my Gram and ultimately meet my Grampy..... (He died 2 mo after i was born)
I liked the first guy. Frank was fun. He seemed like he might have been slightly high when he called, but he was really chill. Too bad the guy right after shot himself in the foot almost immediately afterwards.
I've noticed that most people don't seem to get it when Matt says "I'm not convinced". That's why I always say, to clarify it better for those simple folks that "I don't know". I don't know that the claim is right, and therefore I cannot agree with such a claim until I actually do indeed, know. I don't know that a God exists, and can't believe the claims until I do, indeed finally know. It would be dishonest for me to say that I know, and I really don't know. That's one of the reasons I lost my faith. That and the fact my sister was an atheist long before me. From probably before her teen years. Quite wise for her age....she is 19 now. She didn't believe, but her life didn't change like the Bible says it would. For non-believers it says God will have you killed (in the New Testament, of course), and your family plagued with illness and disease for up to 4 generations. Wtf? People actually wanna worship a God like that? I've seen cases of evil killers living a normal life, and dying of a ripe old age. Despite the fact the Bible says that wouldn't be the case. In the Bible those punishments were prompt. In the real world....not so much lol.
Another theist that visited a "Build-A-God" work shop. & conveniently for his argument, he chose to build a god that's invisible & basically can't physically interact with us, so ya just gotta have faith! -This god seems to be a fav at the Build-A-God work shop!!!
Honest callers are so rare. I like this guy.
aierce Totally agree. You could hear this guy thinking. Maybe one day he’ll come round
Earle Henderson
You got to kidding
@@davidstarks3308 Majority of atheists were once theists, so given that this guy can think, there is high chance that he will drop theism.
@@dariusnoname12
Maybe but he needs a lot of time cause he's the strong believer. He came with religious claims and tried to prove them as an absolute truth.
@@wildylupous Obviously yeah, religions come with self-defence mechanisms after all. The mind is reluctant to change on core beliefs so for this caller to acknowledge himself that faith is an unreliable pathway to truth is taking a huge step. Props to the caller for being honest.
I've been an atheist for five years now. I was brought up as a fundamentalist Christrian and I worked in children's ministry for 20 years since the age of 12. I almost became a pastor in 2010. I was a worship leader for the last six years of my Christian life. What saved me and liberated me from Christianity was rationality. My hunger for truth finally became too strong and I looked at the gospel and realised God was a cunt for creating people who would go to hell despite knowing they would go to hell.
So glad that is just a myth 😘
and what did your christians friends think about you know being an athiest and have you tried to bring them to the truth or are they typically to backward to understand, like this caller
@@251rmartin we have no burden of proof
@@251rmartin when I say the truth I'm talking about reality
You are a born again rationalist.
I feel like I haven't heard a new theist argument in years.
No one has for thousands of years.
They all suck and feel like they are the same at this point.
that's because you haven't...no one has.
They can't come up with any new arguments because they have NO good arguments. ;)
There are no new ones end of.
So God wants gullible people in his heaven. Spending an eternity with them sounds like hell to me.
Are you kidding? If I barely squeak my way into heaven, I probably won't have a fancy mansion and an in-ground swimming pool, so I'll be able to go up to one of those gullible people, saying, "Jesus said you should give me your house and pool, and you want to make him happy, so..."
@Michael Hope , that does sound like heaven. They'd probably get more followers if they pitched your idea of heaven rather than streets of gold and 24/7 singing of old hymns.
@Michael Hope Yeah...and pizza, burgers and greens for the vegetarians and vegans.
@Michael Hope And none of that 72 virgins shit. Were talking endless hot chics.
Fucking BOOORING ...........................
Seth Andrews has one of the most handsome voices I have ever heard
Chocolate coated thunder!
"You really..you want it to be true"
Yep..one of the most relatable quotes ever to a former theist turned atheist.
I have Faith that i`m a multi millionaire, but the Rolls Royce Dealership say I`m NOT, WHY ? ......................
Because the Rolls Royce Dealership is run by satan.
Are you saying that my Firm Faith is not enough ? .............@@aldovera3789
I`ve TRIED, but they do not believe, they are so bad people that they will end up as Scrap Yard attendants, when they die ! ........ And it is their OWN choice, they ought to believe ..................@Nil Hisit
Ironically, I'm sure you have faith in many things you can't acknowledge.
Maybe, but NOT in supernatural ghosts and spirits, (except VODKA ) ...................@@jackriddle4017
“No no no no no no no no” is the only accurate response to theists claims and crazy ideas
No no no, you're done.🤣
@@emilymayer5537 "I swear to your god if you don't let me finish I'm gonna hang up on your ass".
I love when Matt goes "oh my god" as well 😂 It always means what came before was predictable bullshit
chris, chris, CHRIS WILL YOU LET ME FINISH???
My response is “prove it..without reference to the bible”.
My name is EL. I love my children. But I don't kiss them. I don't hug them either. I locked them in their room and talked to them through the door for a while. Then I stopped talking to them completely. Now they're adults and have their own life that I'm not a part of at all. They are struggling. The always struggled with me to - that's why I named them IS RA EL. But they know I love them more than anything because of the locked door, because of the Gap I created between us and because of the struggle I made for them.
🤔.......I like that
Caller: "Muhammad was more of a warlord.. "
jaweh: *laughs in wargod*
Good comment, beautifully presented !
This caller was wonderful compared to what they usually get. He seems really sincere and willing to *think* about what he believes. And Kudos to Seth and Matt for giving him the space to think through his beliefs.
"Muhammad was more like a warrior..."
Sure. And Jesus (the character) was the son of a labourer.
I never quite got where these theists find the sense of superiority when they compare their religion to the other thousands on earth.
庫倫亞利克 this is what the God of Muhammad said .
“Allah is He, who created the sun, the moon, and the stars (all) governed by laws under His commandment.” (7:54)
- [ ] “And He subjected the sun and the moon (to His law); each one runs its course for a term appointed.” (13:2), (31:29), (35:13), and (39:5)
- [ ] “God is the One Who created seven heavens and of the earth a similar number. The command descends upon them so that you know that God has power over all things and comprehends all things in His knowledge.” (65:12)
- [ ] “And made the moon a light in their midst and made the sun as a (Glorious) lamp.” (71:16)
- [ ] “It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit.” (21:33)
“It is not allowable for sun to reach the moon ,nor does the night overtake the day ,but each in an orbit ,is swimming.036.040 .
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- [ ] “Consider those (stars) that rise only to set. And move (in their orbits) with steady motion. And float (through space) with floating serene. And yet overtake (one another) with swift overtaking. And thus fulfil the (Creator’s) behest!” (79:1-5)
- [ ]
081 ,15 Sahih international : so I swear by the retreating stars -
081.016 : Sahih international : those that run their courses and disappear .
“Then He turned to the sky when it had been gas and said to it and to the earth, condense willingly or unwillingly. And they said, “We condensed willingly.” (41:11)
“He Who created the seven heavens, one above another: No want of proportion will you see in the creation of Most Gracious, so turn your face again; Do you see any flaw ... .... And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ....” (67:3-5)
“The sun and moon (are subjected) to calculations.” (55:05)
@@paragonofvirtue270 hello which quran are you quoting from ,i mean the publisher ,is it an english quran ,i have 23 qurans they all differ in many suras and translations ,i have 2 arbi qurans one from my teenage years ,again differing in places ,this in spie of all the noise of no changes made in quran ,apologize for my english not my native language .
The Quran can only be understood in 7th Century Arabic.. So, even as a Religious Story, it is still totally inaccessible to most of the World's population. Very few humans will have access to decipher whatever the alleged Creator of the Universe wants humans to believe.
@@paragonofvirtue270, doesn't the Quran also tell slave owners that if they don't feel like having sex with their wives, they're allowed having sex (to rape) their slaves? Or if their wives don't listen to them, they should beat them (lightly beat them if you think that sounds better)? That has nothing to do with the scientific inaccuracies you forgot to mention though. I'm just saying it definitely isn't the word of "Allah" unless Allah is in favor of beating women and raping slaves.
@@reasonablespeculation3893 BS. Very, very similar to the old church rulings that the bible could only be understood in Latin. Even to the extent that they made illegal to do liturgy in any other language. It's bullshit.
Great video...I didnt know about this channel until today. I love it...I'm a proud Black Atheist and I needed to find shows like this because theists are crazy. I'm so glad I left that bs.⚛
When some tell me they have a personal relationship with god , tell them can they take selfie 🤳 with him/she/it .
Christians always say I need to ‘speak’ or ‘listen’ to God, but shouldn’t He have my number? He can’t text me, and say hello?
Pastor Pickle Get new material, your trolling is weak AF.
@@richardgay7990 , if Jesus is real, he probably won't accept assholes like you into heaven.
May I introduce you to my imaginary friend. 😄
That's hilarious. Selfies. Has a phone been made to take His picture? The illumination alone would be the problem. That's just a thought. The book of Matthew has Jesus genealogy in it. You could use that to check if exists. You should probably stop looking for a white guy with long hair. He may even look like you.
The most intelligent and all powerful being won't even last 10 minutes in a modern courtroom
wokewaifu this’s funny trust me
@@prettybabyface7313 splain yoseff
I used to work in a jail where a lot of mentals claimed to be either God or the second coming of Jesus. The religious deputies I worked with would ridicule the inmates. One is even a street preacher. I would just sit back and laugh at the hypocrisy.
I would prefer you'd lean in and laugh right in their face, but you had a job to keep. Apericate the sentiment.
Richard Dawkins tells a story (can't remember where) about clerics at Oxford ridiculing African tribes for their absurd animistic beliefs, seemingly oblivious to the irony arising from their own beliefs, which are equally ridiculous. It is all very human, I guess.
Ugh who wouldmake fun of mental patients
Have you ever wondered if Jesus was mentally ill? Sane people don't claim to be gods, especially when it'll get you killed when you don't actually have the omnipotence to back up your claim.
@@RoastedLocust Jesus didn't actually claim divinity, that was added much later.
He admits he's "taking a step here..." Refreshing honesty.
He admitted that faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. I'm proud of him for that. 😉
Stop stepping on your co-host, Matt. He is capable, unlike some others.
It’s called gullibility because it’s not knowledge!
Indoctrination is the tool of those who want something from you...and in this case what they want is for you to think the way they tell you to think!
I prefer to say wishful thinking.
@@r.scottmacleod4564 your comment is ironic. Claiming someone is indoctrinated all the being indoctrinated is hilarious.
@@jackriddle4017 RECRUITED THEN IF YOU PREFER....Did someone try to tell you to be a Jehova's witness?....did someone try to tell you to be a Mormon?....did someone tell you Islam is the way? Did your parents take you to their church? Did your parents take you to somebody else's church???
@Jason Jensen Explain how an atheist is indoctrinated and how a Christian is not.
Why are most theists SO DUMB ? .............
Aka, why are dumb people so theist.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ~Hebrews 11:1
The word "faith" is defined as "belief that is not based on proof," or--in other words--belief without evidence. The word "substance" is defined as
" that of which a thing consists."
Faith then, by definition, consists of itself--belief without evidence--therefore contains no evidence, and thusly, cannot be the substance or evidence of anything!
Wow
I’m sort of relieved to see others like Matt and Seth struggle with xtians who maintain the illusion even after
admitting verbally that it doesn’t make sense unless you’re gullible.
Like they really believed that they would never be shown there fallacies so since this is so rare it don’t count
anyway because they need to go and check their notes and will think about it. Lol 🥅
It takes timefor people to change their minds
The reason Chris believes in christianity is because it is the majority religion in his native country.
Sure - being culturally surrounded by a belief system, likely allows it to percolate into you without you really noticing.
I think there's hope for this guy. He's honest, he's clearly listening and takes time to think before answering questions. He also sounds fairly young, whether or not he becomes an atheist I kinda want to hear from him again.
They want the fuzzy parts to be true and not care what else they have to let in in order to have the fuzz. So they believe for heaven, but don't care that that means perfectly good people roast in hell
High part of real believers(those that read bible and still believe) are happy believing that others would go to hell for minor things like questioning, not-believing, loving others more than god.
Not only that, high part of them even believe that slavery is good if slaver is god(cause if heaven exists as it is proclaimed in bible and explained by theists, it is basically slave grounds)
I would have to give this guy high marks. Very high marks. He was honest, he struggled to understand, he acknowledged what Seth and Matt were saying. I have a lot of respect from this guy, he was a breath of fresh air considering the normal type of call in. And watching both Seth and Matt in operation here, I have no question that they not only fully respected this man but appreciated how he interacted. In fact, they really were invested in helping him because he is the kind of person one would care about.
Agree entirely, Edward Graivier. Too many other commenters here fail to realize that Chris isn't at all "not listening" to Matt and Seth. It's important, if we want to help god-believers, to actually listen to what they are saying. Not all of them are close-minded, and many are on a long tough journey to enlightenment. I give you high marks as well.
"But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle - Peter, Paul or James - knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie , and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery." - Dr. Bart Ehrman, PhD, New Testament scholar.
I think... I believe... You have to... You know... If your argument includes these statements you are probably wrong.
@Sean Pittaway "Probably"
@Sean Pittaway Just another alert that should be included in your internal bullshit alarm.
"I just know..." That's another one...
Jesus Christ people can't use there brains anymore let alone communicate..smh
To the caller's credit he really did seem like he was trying to follow along with Matt and Seth's comments. So often it almost feels like the caller is mindlessly reading from a script, a really good point will be made to them and it just flows over them like water and they move on to the next bullet point. I didn't get that as much from this guy.
There are MILLIONS of legitimately stupid people on this planet. Here in the US, just having a retail job or working as a server in a restaurant will show you the idiocy that exists in society today. Our education system is a huge fault, but our parents are really the problem.
" Christianity - the story of a woman who lied to cover up an affair that went way out of control.."
🤣 You nailed it.
@@ashwinrawat9622 😬 thanks
Either that or she was raped and didn’t want to be blamed for it.
God had an affair and god wanted nothing to do with the child untill jesus became rich and famous! Now god wants Jesus back!
This show is simply amazing. I learn more about religion listening here than I ever did in church.
Take a step in faith? If your step in faith is big enough, you may just end up purchasing beachfront condos on Mars.
Unacknowledged. Steven greer. This is 100% more believable than the bible.
Do you mean all my land titles on Mars are false?
@@TryingToFindOut
Haha.
MATT AND SETH, TWO GIANTS IN THE SECULAR....GETTING REAL AND COHERENT THINKING MOVEMENT ! BRAVO !
This caller called Chris(tus) got slaughtered so badly, it was almost scripted.
Just like a certain book they sometimes refer to...
Really? I thought he was one of the most reasonable callers. This shouldn't be about attacking people
@@andrew_35 agreed, he was honest when he said he was presupposing that God exists. its a breath of fresh air to see someone admit to that
According to a book I own, Tarzan discovered the Jewels of Opar.
Therefore Tarzan was a real person.
@@yabutmaybenot.6433
Whatever, I still think Tarzan was a real person.
Why would anybody write a book about Tarzan if he wasn't a real person ?
As a parent, I'm right now going to write my kids a note about how much I love them, in code. They'll figure it out eventually.
Everything about religious belief depends on faith. What really destroys faith? Lies that religious people tell. One thing we can all thank Trump for is making it so very clear how corrupt the morality of religious people is. Or as Trump would say "Fake morality". Years ago I had faith, I believed. I had no reason not to believe. But hearing lies told to me by religious people gave me reasons NOT to believe. People, particularly evangelical people, who are the same people who today worship Trump, caused me to realize that lies is all they have to offer. I no longer believe in Jesus. But if there was such a being, he would not approve of what Trump evangelicals do or say. Jesus would say that lying is wrong.
Chris from Idaho , meet ridiculous. Ridiculous , meet Chris from Idaho. The two of you should get along famously.
Thank you all for what you do. I am an ex-JW Jehovah's witness and have abandoned religion as we know it, all together. If there is a good of kind mercy, it is not depicted in the Bible. If there is a good who cares at all, that would be a bonus to the human story, but I am no longer convinced. It is not necessary to believe in a creator to be a loving human, in fact, not believing might just make us more human and more loving.
God, I meant. Autocorrect a real bitch
I'm looking forward to some kind of celebration as soon as this channel has 300K subs
I never looked at the number. To be quite honest, I'm surprised it doesn't have far more than that already.
They took a hit after the Rationality Rules situation.
But you're right, it's sad how more people aren't interested in truth.
@ANDMA
No. Individuals had a disagreement, which for some reason expanded to affect the organisation.
Popeye beat Bruto even though Bruto is much bigger than Popeye.
Therefore Popeye is the son of God.
"Bluto" is da man bruh. Hail Bluto!!
@@Longtack55
Bluto is sometimes called Bruto or Brutus.
Not sure how Chris can listen to the show but just parrot the same talk as every other show. So he may listen, but he doesn't really hear.
anyone home: No, I don't think that YOU heard Chris. After a while, as other commenters have observed, he came around to several points. For instance, he no longer thinks that faith alone constitutes evidence.
@@ghettofreeze He just kept saying "right,okay",not to agree but to move on to his next comment - near the end of his call, his words were "I think these are things God implanted in us"
14:53 I like the analogy of the "alien abduction" as testimonies of faith.
At some point in everyone's life, they believe false claims.
When I was a child, I believed that God lives in the sky.
Moses believed God lives up a mountain.
At 17:45 Chris admitted that he wants it to be true. Against all other types of reasoning he really "wants to be believe" in a supernatural being. As with many others who call in to discuss their "faith" i find it comes down to being intellectually lazy.
Matt was amazing here, so patient
The caller was reasonable too
Truthfully Matt always starts that way and will continue when the caller is honest and having a conversation…if not he loses it on them…which also helps the listeners see more logic and truth
Yahweh, the Hebrew god in Genesis who cannot make a mistake, creates a PERFECT COSMOS, and declares it to be good.
Then he introduces FREE WILL and the potential for evil, which is exactly what happens, because he planned it that way.
Having ruined his own creation, the all powerful Yahweh comes into human form to save his own creation from eternal damnation.
He does it by committing suicide.
The rest of the story, flush with miracles, goes against everything we know about the real world of Nature.
The Holy Bible is the greatest bullshit story ever told - a Bronze Age tribal collection of literature designed to create fear, guilt and mental chaos within the human nervous system.
It's bad for ya.
Well said!🍻
When he goes "I've studied the different philosophical arguments, like the argument from ignorance" I'm like "Nah dude, you've watched videoes on youtube of theists getting hammered by atheists when they use their shitty arguments and that is why you reframed from answering any questions."
@Austin Mark I've watched more videoes than I dare admit of the athiest experience over the years and theists have prettu much alwaus used the SAME arguments over and over again (plenty of them even admit to it).
The only real thing that has changed is their attitude. The AXP no longer receive threats of decapitation, Matt generally doesn't have to hang up on them AS much any more when they get exposed and they're more kindle as they realize their historically permanent majority is shrinking and those of minority faiths (atheist, muslim, hindu, shiek etc.) are less willing to take their shit anymore.
It's sad people think doing research is watching TH-cam videos.
@Austin Mark None of those people call the show anymore, because the show is no longer run on weekends on public access TV. It´s on TH-cam now. Younger audience that HAS to have a connection to the internet or more accurately, has access to information other than what their parents and priests are telling them is true.
@S Gloobal you know you're a loser right?
@S Gloobal what a fucking loseryou are.
I mean you worship the same being that said that kidnapping your ancestors, keeping them as slaves and that you're allowed to beat them as long as you don't did with in day (or 2!) is moral.
And yet here you are bible thumping like the sucker your ancestors' slavemasters believed you to be.
How do you feel about that? To be such a loser?
I really mean it! Describe the experience to me in full!
I've been watching these clips almost continuously for over a month or so now. I've heard Matt ask at least 2 dozen people is faith a reliable path to truth. While he didn't come out and say no he at least said probably not. First one I've heard yet say something as honest as that
He was at least honest enough to acknowledge when they pointed out his mistakes in thinking.
Good call. Hitchens's was a master. As an Englishman I'm extra proud of him.
You would think anyone listening to their own argument on faith, would understand their statements don't hold water;
Why is it, religion gets all kinds of Tax exemptions and they can't prove any existence of a god, I'm an Atheist way should I have to pay addition Taxes to make up for what they don't pay.
To put it simply I must produce something in claiming a tax deduction and it must be true under penalty of the law.
Where is their proof.
This demonstrates how the show is more for listeners and less for callers
I'm an attack helicopter! You should believe me!
I have faith mark findlay is an attack helicopter, therefore mark findlay _is_ an attack helicopter.
Heathen! We the A-10 Warthog identifiers will SMITE YOU DOWN.
Dirty heretic, eat my RPG-7 and suffer in aircraft hell!
@@majmage 🚁🚁🚁 thanks and this is my family Mrs attack helicopter and my son mini attack helicopter !
"How do you know it really happened?"
"Well, he was there, in Rome, and like, Pilat, and the times were, like, he was Jesus, y'know?"
Holy shit, he's got us.
Your transcript reminded me of Dylan Moran bit: “So I was, like, there. And there was, like, a guy, like with a gun and he started, you know like, shooting”
But I liked this caller. One of the few callers who admitted that faith is not reliable on the air
You made some real progress with this. Wonderful to see somebody challenge their presuppositions.
It's something we should all do.
Gotta apreciate his open mindedness. He was willing to reavaluate his previous understanding of things to some extent, and thats worth a lot.
Think of the most influential, inspiring and loving person you've ever met. Now imagine them insisting that you worship them because you recognise these qualities inherent to them. The desire of a god to be worshipped, is proof of no god
Seth admitted the fact of the supernatural at 4:00 minutes in by saying his question had a spirit, "The spirit of my question". (Just kidding, Seth)
So people like Hitler deserves eternal punishment for their crimes, or "sins" in religious parlance. There's one tiny little problem with that idea. Doesn't the bible say that ANYONE who accepts Jesus, and/or god, and repents for their sins would be granted eternal life?! Ergo, as a christian, and given that Hitler was ALSO a christian, it's more probable that he would, by biblical standards, would NOT suffer eternal punishment for his crimes! Let THAT sink in for a moment.
When someone tells me that they have a personal relationship with God I hand them a pen and paper and say 'draw God for me'
They can't because it would be blasphemous
@Bad Boys Boogie
"Thou shalt not paint a likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth or anything you saw in the Natural History Museum"
Exodus 20:4 is very clear on this point.
@Bad Boys Boogie
A painting is a likeness, unless it's modern art !
It simply comes down to:
“I believe this religious bullshit ‘cause I was randomly born into this culture and was told to believe it as a child.”
“I have virtually no shred of verifiable data or empirical, science based evidence of any supernatural events or gods, I just believe it.”
If all theist callers would state this fact before they ramble on, these calls would be much shorter!
This caller is on his way to being an Atheist.
Well done! 👍
"I know where you're going."
He knows where Matt is going, but he doesn't want to go there. :p
Down a rabbit hole again.
Cordial and respectful. I love these sessions.
If someone on the bus tells you they are talking to God,,do you move closer to them of further away....Christopher Hitchens
You already have a very Unreliable Ruler, Supreme Bonespur ! .................
Just goes to show that 44% or so of us USA voters are either retarded, racist, or just so full of hate they cant think straight.
Brother Sanguinary yeah, they’re called republicans
So THAT`s what they`re called. Shouldn`t they all be kept in cages ? or are they still roaming free ? ................@@KC-py5vq
I wish the sunken cost fallacy would be brought up more often, it could help some people with their emotions after investing a lot over their live into christianity and reading the bible etc.
You want religion to be true to beleive people like hitler and stalin are suffering in hell... Yet hitler would be in heaven according to your religion... Just because he was a horrible person, he was still a christian and beleived in god and jesus, which according to christianity all you need to get into heavan is to beleive jesus did for your sins...
When i was 5 years old! I had a personnal experience with a priest! Should i call the police?
Dear Matt; I've noticed that the _"if I say that I'm not convinced you committed this crime, does that mean I'm saying you're innocent"_ -analogy regularly confuses the caller more than it clears stuff up. Maybe if you bring it like this: "if I say that _the evidence I was presented with_ didn't convince me that you did the crime, does that mean..." etc. it might help?
Good show again, guys!
Damn, you can see this kid is getting it and then he regressed right back to oh but the bible said.
@Spelunker0211
Quite right. They never think clearly.
Even though they step on eachothers toes a bit (not in a confrontational or spot light stealing way, in the simple way of they both move to speak at the same time) it is never the less awesome to see them together as opposed to the way most of the co hosts work with Matt which is that they are alot more ready to let him totally lead and dominate (as he should he is the man afterall) but its still nice to see Matt working with someone just as passionate and willing to speak as he is. It's a good tag team.
Callers often say something along the lines of "I can see where you're going," but then demonstrate that they can't.
You really have to dumb down to talk to the religious about religion.
it takes faith to have faith
Why would you want a faulty tool?
Not sure where this is going: You have to have faith to have faith to have faith and so on?
You need to have a penis to have a penis.
Curse of sorrow
Nothing from nothing
@@TheRealCatof that's what your mom always says
Use the Jeffrey Dahmer example next time. He became a Christian in jail.
"Muhammad was more of a warlord"
me: *cracks open the old testament*
Sometimes I really feel bad for these theists. They make themselves sound so stupid and they know they sound stupid but they do not want to acknowledge their religious make zero sense.
Nice one two combo. Matt and Seth make a good team. It takes a Seth to complement a Matt.
I think Matt has read more of the bible than all of these people calling in..m
Some people cannot get it due to a lack of brain matter, it is just an unfortunate fact,
It is refreshing for someone to be honest when their flawed reasoning is exposed. This call illustrates the mental claws that religion uses to cling to the minds of believers.
Why do these religious people always sound so depressed?
lt does make me wonder if believers realize how silly their arugments sound to us atheist.
brian comley i wonder also
Wierdly, they could probably recognise the illogic and unreason...
...if their argument was used to defend someone else's god.
Ricardo Von Krypton no doubt
Theist arguments are always a bucket full of chuckles.😆
He's just another fool that doesn't know how to think 😂
Faith is a pathway to circular argument.
I like the guest host. He speaks my language
13:16 Seth goes Boss Mode
And funny too
Great episode and I appreciated Seth's strength of personality to stand up to Matt's charisma which seems a rare thing.
Seth seemed unusually impatient and feisty. I like it.
GORRAM It..... I DONT care bout Hitler or any S**thole.....
I would LOVE to see my Gram again.... And just meet her Hubby.....id pay $$$$$$$$ to talk to my Gram and ultimately meet my Grampy..... (He died 2 mo after i was born)
Good call.
He listened and was honest
Matt: "Do I deserve to go to hell?"
Dude, the goatee. You are clearly evil. Have you ever watched a movie? Now Seth on the other hand...
I liked the first guy. Frank was fun. He seemed like he might have been slightly high when he called, but he was really chill. Too bad the guy right after shot himself in the foot almost immediately afterwards.
Seth Andrews rocks!
None of these vids appear on my sub feed, even though I have the notification bell on. YT drunk again?
CMDR Qrusha me too
So i was like wtf
Matt and Seth should get engaged or at least start another show together. Awesome team
I've noticed that most people don't seem to get it when Matt says "I'm not convinced". That's why I always say, to clarify it better for those simple folks that "I don't know". I don't know that the claim is right, and therefore I cannot agree with such a claim until I actually do indeed, know. I don't know that a God exists, and can't believe the claims until I do, indeed finally know. It would be dishonest for me to say that I know, and I really don't know. That's one of the reasons I lost my faith. That and the fact my sister was an atheist long before me. From probably before her teen years. Quite wise for her age....she is 19 now. She didn't believe, but her life didn't change like the Bible says it would. For non-believers it says God will have you killed (in the New Testament, of course), and your family plagued with illness and disease for up to 4 generations. Wtf? People actually wanna worship a God like that? I've seen cases of evil killers living a normal life, and dying of a ripe old age. Despite the fact the Bible says that wouldn't be the case. In the Bible those punishments were prompt. In the real world....not so much lol.
Another theist that visited a "Build-A-God" work shop.
& conveniently for his argument, he chose to build a god that's invisible & basically can't physically interact with us, so ya just gotta have faith!
-This god seems to be a fav at the Build-A-God work shop!!!