The notion that God's character is in question -- needs vindication -- is preposterous. It is by definition impossible that God's character could be on trial, for the obvious reason that there is no standard apart from God by which his character could be judged. God is the standard. Any and every concept of rectitude derives from God and nowhere else. To question whether God's character is moral is like questioning whether a yard is 36 inches long. The SDA fantasy that God is "on trial" is not only preposterous, it is blasphemous in the extreme.
@@kimartist I agree--very well stated! And to think this message was only provided to the Remnant, at the very toenails of time, by report of visions or an "accompanying angel", is baffling.
@@TesttheProphet You have identified one of the fatal flaws in the notion that 1700 or so years after the close of canon along come additions, such as -- conspicuously -- the pre-creation fantasy in the Great Controversy. God not only ordained what is in the canon, he also ordained what is not. Clearly anyone who claims divine agency to supplement scripture is exactly the opposite of what she claims to be.
And to vindicate the character of God, then 'our keeping God's holy law' accomplishes that and not the atonement at the cross by Christ. So God is vindicated by our works and especially 'keeping the Sabbath' but not by being the sacrifice for our sins.
As a young boy I always had a problem with the arrogance of the Adventist church it is always them them them and no one else and the arrogance of Ellen is identical to the church
What do you think about the Christian movement of the first century or the reformers movement of the 16th? Did those two allow someone else? Would it be said, Christianity and Judaism, or and stoics? Either the adventists are unique or they have no reason to fragment Christianity!
Does God has a remnant? Do they keep the commandments? Do they have the faith of Jesus and the spirit of prophecy? Are they proclaiming the three angels message?
Have you ever been to court? What is done before the judge speaks out his final words wherein is pronounced the final verdict? Is it not an investigation? Is it not a hearing of all parties concerned and their lawyers? Did you ever wonder why everybody can be present and why there is a jury? Do you think this is ridiculous? By the investigative judgment which according to the Bible is a public hearing (Dan 7:10) all intelligent beings are shown that God dealt lovingly and righteously with every person. The claims of Satan which put Gods name on trila will be refuted. ( Rev 15:3-4;) Everybody will aknowledge that God is not selfish, arbitrary, unloving, a respecter of persons as Satan claimed He was concerning Job. How do you think Isaiah 45:23 will be realised?
Also, because SDA don't understand covenants - they are deceiving themselves into literally interpreting that there are 2 paths to salvation but only 1 is the true path (their path), and they decieve other Christians and unsaved that SDA are on the "more correct" path compared to (other) Christians through their works-based sinless perfection salvation model, instead of just merely trusting in what Christ did on the cross by the shedding of His blood paying IN FULL all sin of the believer past, present and future because He is the eternal Word and He can do that. They got the wrong Christ to begin with, so they have no understanding of who the real One is and what He did. They (SDA) are part of the tares that Satan sows to confuse the church.
@@awblanchard23”Works based salvation model”? Where did you get that? Can you give reference? Did you read that in their fundamental believe statements? What are the 2 paths to salvation? I only know one: by faith in the everlasting covenant or covenant of grace that was ratified by the blood of Christ and therefore also called the new covenant expressing the promise of God that salvation is in Christ and that by faith in His full payment for transgression and perfect obedience we become partakers of the inheritence.
@FraeDen what happens at the "investigative judgment" if you don't keep sabbath? EXACTLY. SABBATH SAVES, NOT JESUS ALONE ACCORDING TO THE SDA FALSE GOSPEL.
GOD IS NOT ON TRIAL!!!! As I dated an Adventist a while back and progressively learned about her faith, my view of Adventism changed from just another Christian denomination to a cult. First I was hit with the obsession with the end of the world, then the almost singular focus on Daniel and Revelation. And them this odd idea that God had to prove himself to the universe. The God I worship is so much greater than that. He needs no defense. It is only His patience and love for His creation that drove Him to bear with our failings and send Jesus to pay for our sin . He could have wiped the whole thing out without having to answer to anyone. He is God! The center of the whole Bible story is not a God who it trying to prove himself. And the core of the message is not the 10 commandments or if we can follow them. They were precisely to prove that we cannot follow them . Israel’s history proves that. Human history proves that. After the fall, no one can follow the law. It’s impossible. That’s the whole point of the crucifixion. And the cross is the center of the Bible. To divert from that to law keeping or some odd idea of God being on trial is ludicrous. I remember being flabbergasted when learning of this. That diversion is Satans aim for us, not some kind of quest to prove the law is too hard to follow.
Ironic too when you consider "Daniel" literally means: "God is my judge." And numerous Scriptures about God being THE JUDGE. Also hypocritical when you consider SDAs JUDGE EVERYONE, but fall apart like a $2 dollar suitcase whenever someone critically examines their beliefs.
Did Jesus keep them? Yeppers, Jesus said I have kept my Father's commandments. Jesus was human and an example of what it means to be a perfect human through the power of the Holy Spirit and complete and full submission to his Father's will. 1 John 2:4 He that says he knows him ( Christ ) and keepeth not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
@jsimoes9424 I wish you just red your bibles! You'd read statements like "" if you knew who's talking to you, you'd have asked him for water"" john 4. A tyrant God wouldn't do that!
@kimartist Honey, you're talking to SDAs in name only then. Those of us that live our faith out, and study God's word can debunk anything you through at us.
What always bugs me is all the warnings "not to be deceived" in the Bible and just how all those being deceived look at others as the ones being deceived. When will we all test our beliefs for ourselves, using the scriptures. We need to stop trying to make Bible bend to our doctrines.
SDAs have no exegetical skill. Because their doctrines are a "circular chainlink" they have to defend each false doctrine with another false doctrine, so their problem (with eschatology) begins further back than revelation. The SDA revelation interpretation is the culmination of multiple false teachings. 1) they don't know when 1000 years starts and what the binding of Satan means 2) they don't know what the 144000 are 3) they don't understand number symbology 4)there's technically 3 comings of christ in their system. And it all starts back at Daniel 8 and the false doctrines of 1844 and investigative judgement, which they have to defend. if SDAs can prove 2300 days/years with historical alignment to the bible and christian tradition, im all ears
1) The 1,000 years begins at Jesus' 2nd coming. No one knows the day and hour of that event 2) But SDAs DO know who the 144,000 are. Just because you disagree and have been taught something out of some church denominational book does make them wrong about it. 3) There is no number symbology in scripture. All countings and numbers and such are exact literal counts of whatever the subject is talking about. Dan 9s 70 weeks is just that (7 days per week = 490 days). Given the day/year principle, shown multiple times throughout scripture, 70 weeks is shown to mean exactly 490 years. The number is a literal count even if sometimes the subject may be symbolic. 4) Jesus' 1st coming when He was born. 2nd coming when He takes His people off the earth. 3rd coming when He stands on the Mt. of Olives, raises the wicked dead, judges them, then they are destroyed. 5) "Christian tradition" and what the bible teaches do not always align.
@@sndawn7442 If you go through the bible (from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21) and look for every prophecy about the coming of Jesus (Gen 3:15 is the 1st one - make yourself a list), you will see that all the events associated with Him coming cannot encompass only 2 times. I won't go through them unless you are sincerely interested. There are quite a few of them. I prefer the KJV. It is IMO more accurate and easier to understand. Here's just one for example: Isa 7:14 and chapter 53 (there are others) was His 1st coming. Matt 24:29-31 shows the 2nd coming (as well as I Thess 4:16-17) when Jesus comes and takes His people off the earth. The promise given to the disciples in John 14:2-3 has to be fulfilled too. The 1st resurrection takes place at the beginning of Rev 20s 1,000 years. Zech 14:1-8 (also among others) cannot be the 2nd coming but must occur after Rev 20s 1,000 years. Neither can Jude 1:14-16 - God's people are taken to heaven at the 2nd coming. They cannot come down with the New Jerusalem when Jesus comes to get them. I have long lists of every prophecy I could find on the subject. There is no possible way all could happen in just 2 events. It has to be 3 times. Most people just don't want to take the time to see for themselves what the bible actually says on the subject. It's much easier to listen to someone else's indoctrinated teachings. So you get 100s of churches with 100s of different ideas on what it's supposed to be......
If you go through the bible (from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21) and look for every prophecy about the coming of Jesus (Gen 3:15 is the 1st one - make yourself a list), you will see that all the events associated with Him coming cannot encompass only 2 times. I won't go through them unless you are sincerely interested. There are quite a few of them. I prefer the KJV. It is IMO more accurate and easier to understand. Here's just one for example: Isa 7:14 and chapter 53 (there are others) was His 1st coming. Matt 24:29-31 shows the 2nd coming (as well as I Thess 4:16-17) when Jesus comes and takes His people off the earth. The promise given to the disciples in John 14:2-3 has to be fulfilled too. The 1st resurrection takes place at the beginning of Rev 20s 1,000 years. Zech 14:1-8 (also among others) cannot be the 2nd coming but must occur after Rev 20s 1,000 years. Neither can Jude 1:14-16 - God's people are taken to heaven at the 2nd coming. They cannot come down with the New Jerusalem when Jesus comes to get them. I have long lists of every prophecy I could find on the subject. There is no possible way all could happen in just 2 events. It has to be 3 times. Most people just don't want to take the time to see for themselves what the bible actually says on the subject. It's much easier to listen to someone else's indoctrinated teachings. So you get 100s of churches with 100s of different ideas on what it's supposed to be......
The whole Adventist structure rests on interpretations "close to the truth" and word association fallacies. They remind me of Babe Ruth. They'll occasionally hit a home run, but whiff out twice as often. So close. And yet so far.
@@Say-hey24 Any study of the SDA history of diet extremism, equating masturbation with the most heinous of sins, and ascribing to a human being a title (Spirit of prophecy) that can only apply to the Holy Spirit, well, those are all cult homers and that's just for starters.
l have a question Myles. So is 1 John 1 : 8 - 1O just ignored then? Or do the Adventists think it's just at a conversion experience? l dont get the ''Oneida'' sinless issue. Correct me if l'm wrong ...but isn't the sanctification process something that takes the rest of a persons life? Only Christ was able to resist every temptation that befell Him. Someone aught to splash a drink of water on this man, and other Adventists ....like Luther did to one of the Wesley brothers. See what happens.
Are you implying that the Gospel has NO POWER to make people holy? If we can't overcome evil why the fuss? Adventists are just doing evil because they can't overcome it! Seriously?
@@kennedynyangenyo9456 Accepting the Gospel and Christ in faith imbues grace on a believer as they go through a process of healing and sanctification. ONLY in Faith with Grace we are able to partake in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), and we begin that sanctification, the whole point of this process is not to methodically will yourself to stop sinning but to have so much love and faith in christ that the desire to sin no longer exists. SDAs however believe that the mode of salvation is observance of the physical law rather than seeing that there's actually spiritual concept. you’re not a commandment keeper if you “just don’t commit adultery” you’re a commandment observer if the desire to lust no longer looms over you every time you see an attractive person. youre also not a commandment keeper if you go to church on Saturday, your a sabbath observer if you walk with grace and commune with God everyday and allow your nature to be healed and renewed.
At 13:30 I don’t believe that verse 11 reffers to a human condition on the “other side of the grave.” Verse 11 simply highlights the immediate beginning of the (fulfillment of the) prophecy. In other words “this prophecy is for the church, and it’s about to start right now, so let those outside the church live as they please because I’m about to start doing my thing. But those inside the church …you be righteous…you be holy.” This isn’t a commentary on the unchangeable condition of sinners on this side of the grave. Just simply another way to highlight the imminent beginning of the prophecies in revelation!
The Bible says that God is being judged and He vindicates Himself. Read Ezekiel 36 from verse 22 to the end. God clears His name by changing His people. Psalm 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified (H6663 - vindicated) when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Romans 3:4 NLT Of course not! Even if everyone else is a liar, God is true. As the Scriptures say *about him,* “You will be proved right in what you say, and you will win your case in court.” Ezekiel 36: 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, *but for mine holy name's sake,* which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 32 *Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD,* be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Add isaia 5 from verse 1. What do people think is happening in Genesis 3? Where it all started? How do they interpret""God knew"", what is the tempter saying? God knows something you don't know!
You sure did rip this out of context regarding Ezekiel 36 didn't you? Where God is speaking to the mountains & the land & the Israelites who left the land due to idolatry & who were about to be gathered back into the land from the nations where they were scattered. Nice irrelevant eisegesis 👈😃👍
@@everyreasonforjesus4376 It is plain you cherry-picked verses with the words "judge" & "court" in them, because you think they prove your case, but when read in context they actually condemn you. Yes, you will be judged by the very plain words you cherry-picked & presented as if they meant something else. Nobody here is scared of SDA eisegesis 🤣🤣🤣
I have a question for anyone who can give me insight. I was watching a video the other day and the word "substitute" regarding Jesus dying in our place was used. It triggered me a little, weirdly, and this strange thought popped into my head: I pictured 2 little boys playing checkers, neither of them being experts. One boy's dad wanted his son (us) to win the game so badly (maybe on behalf of himself), that he sat down in his son's place and beat the other little boy at the game, no problem. His son didn't have to face the demoralization of losing. He didn't have to learn and try harder, etc. He just got to be a winner because of his dad. Can this be, or has anyone ever suggested to you that God cheated against satan??? That the game is unfair because God is all powerful and satan really never had a chance at winning? I am ex Adventist, and struggling. At least works made me "feel" like I was participating. You know helping myself to win this strange game. I see so well the ease and wonderfulness of salvation by faith alone, but my brain feels so strung out from trying to comprehend. The Adventist pre-earth story sort of makes the whole thing easier to wrap my brain around because God has to allow us to help ourselves so He's not a cheater. I feel this is why new age stuff is so popular, as it eliminates the devil and just makes God a loving creator who is uncomplicated. It's very appealing in that way. Thanks for any thoughtful responses. PLEASE don't preach at me... just talk to me.
the game is unfair because Satan never had a chance .. .. Former here .. perhaps satan shouldn’t have stepped into the ring to start with ! Isaiah 29:16.
@davidblowe9096 Thank you... I get what you're saying, but why not just torch Satan for acting out? I also understand free will, but surely the devil plays the important role of testing our love for God. Why invite him into the game only to beat him instead of letting us beat him,or not, as case may be? I'm really not trying to be a pain here. And, honestly, as I ask these questions, I seriously feel like some dum-dum that has never read the Bible. I can assure you that's not the case... however, when I did, EGW was right there interwoven into my understanding.
@@danam5272 As a former, transitioning out of sda is hard even when you weren’t a full on egw fan child. A Baptist changing to Pentecostal or an Anglican changing to Presbyterian or a Catholic changing to Pentecostal is not going to struggle like we did - what does that tell you ?
Jesus wouldn't have told the woman to not sin if it weren't possible for her to do so. Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Perfecting of the believer happens with the Holy Spirit working in a person's life, it's called sanctification. It's a lifelong process.
Nobody will nor can be sinnless before Jesus comes. But we can glorify His name by not receiving His grace in vain and thereby refuting the claims of Satan that God is unloving, selfcentered, arbitrary etc…
@@kimartist Incorrect, Satan's challenge to the other heavenly host was claiming God's character and his laws were unfair and that they really didn't have free will to choose for themselves. Adam and Eve both proved this incorrect when they chose to disobey, then Jesus comes along and obeys his father perfectly completing the Law in himself as an example of a perfect human being through love and full submission to his father's will. All of you say grace nailed the Laws of God to the cross, however, does sin still exist in this world? Do we all still fall short because our love and submission to him is incomplete? Yes! Paul and John both say that " SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW " and " WHERE THERE IS NO SIN THERE IS NO GRACE ". So by you nailing the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD to the cross and removing them from being obedient through love and submission, YOU'RE SAYING SIN doesn't exist anymore! If that's the case what you're really saying is Jesus only died for those before the cross and there hasn't been a sinner since the cross because the very laws that define what sin is don't exist anymore. Yeah, that logic makes sense rofl, so I guess we can now do anything the commandments say we are not supposed to, we can lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other gods, be disrespectful to parents, covet, bear false witness, bow to idols and take his name in vain!!! If you're shaking your head NO, then you're exactly right we can't do those things, and if we can't break those then the whole law still applies including the Sabbath.
SDA here The question is God on trial, is quite simple to answer. As most protestants agree that Gods character is reflected in his law this question becomes easier to answer. Now if we ask are Gods laws on trial what do you think most would say? That scripture shows that Gods character is a reflection of His law is clear... Like God "the law of the Lord is perfect" PS 19:7,8 Like God "The law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" Romans 7:12 *Notice* For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are *not grievous* . 1 John 5:3 Grievous: Of something bad. This verse as well as many others sure sounds like Gods commandments are on trial. All throughout scripture Gods law(His character) is validated and reaffirmed... OT: "All your commandments are righteuos" PS 119:172 NT: "we do know that we know Him, if we keep his commandments" 1 John 2:3 Vindicate: to justify... "just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints." Rev 15:3 Please prayerfully consider these verses. God bless
I have one question for everyone who watches Myles's videos. I don't care who it is, but one of you give me the biblical definition of sin. Let's see if any of you can do it without proving SDAs right regarding the commandments.
Sin is missing the mark. Adventists believe they can live without sinning. That’s the problem . Scripture says if you claim to be without sin you’re a liar. Ellen said no one should say they are saved. Jesus disagreed when he declared Zacheus saved.
@@jsimoes9424 you're incorrect on all accounts. 1.) 1 John 3:4 Sin the transgression of the Law. Romans 4:14 Without the Law there can be no sin. 2.) SDAs believe it is possible to live without sin, whether to achieve that goal is another matter. We don't say nor have we ever said that anyone is sinless besides Christ. However, we do believe the goal is to be like Christ which is sinless, through complete submission to his will and the power of the Holy Spirit. 3.) E.G.W. taught the complete opposite of what you say she did. 4.) Don't quote things to me without the scriptures to back them up, and if you present the scriptures it better be in context. Because I'll be sure to let you know with more scripture if it isn't. Lastly, Before I was an SDA I was a Baptist who said , did, and used every argument the same as what you try and do.
"Blessed is the one whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord does not count against them and in whose spirit is no deceit." ~ Psalm 32 : 1ff
That pretty clear to me. Jesus will come after Judgment of all on earth is finished. That's why Jesus says " it is finished" when he returns for his own in Revelation 21:6-7 New Living Translation 6 And he also said, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega-the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life. 7 All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Take it as true from a guy who happens to be the son of a Seventh-day Adventist Pastor . And, has a bone to pick with ONLY SDAs, no other church. Interesting.
Might want to go and get a refund from whoever you get your bad information from. 1. I’ve done street evangelism for years before starting Answering Adventism. This included evangelism to Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Atheists, Christian scientists, Muslims, Roman Catholics, and countless other individuals. 2. Believe it or not people can actually do more than one endeavor in life. You know nothing about me and what all I’m involved in. 3. I don’t have a “bone to pick.” This is laughable considering your guys’ entire movement has a bone to pick with literally everyone else and is calling them to come join you guys because we’re an abomination to God. This platform is about evangelism to an overlooked people group that need it. No differently than you guys think you need to evangelize everyone else. But you get butt hurt when the same thing is said to you guys. Hypocrisy. But yeah, good job dodging what was in focus in the video and lying instead. Excellent work, “commandment keeper” 😂
Brother and sister do listen the full sermon which our brother cut then you will understand fully, cutting some part and reacting can lead you away from truth unless you listen full sermon you will not understand the truth..
Did isaia and the people of his time understand the prophecies of the Messiah? No! Do we? Yes! Is the women of revelation supposed to have happened during the first century? So is the bible relevant to us? Does it have anything for today? Myles just wants to deceive!
@@robertbaker231 Your prophet was a witch, why are you so proud about it? And just for some clarity, the Word of God said: "God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. But in these last days he has spoken to us by His Son" Hebrews 1:2 NOTHING ABOUT ELLEN WHITE!!!
ill defend it in half a paragraph. The ”Lords Day” mentioned verbatim, only once in the bible, in Revelation 1:10 in Greek is Κυριακή, it is the same word used for “Sunday” to this very day, which also bares the same root word “Lord” (κύριος). The Lords Day (Κυριακή) vs The Sabbath (Σάββατο), theyre not the same day. the church still affirms the specific sabbath and doesn't actually negate it. Sunday is the Lords Day/Resurrection Day of our Lord. It's just our understanding of what Sabbath is that's fundamentally different.
@@OCapologetics Yes! The church GAVE God a day! The church called some day the "lord's day""! Not a single unequivocal statement in the bible that God ever called it so!
@@kennedynyangenyo9456 the Bible also never mentions Jesus unequivocally stating “I am God, worship me”, the Bible never says the word “trinity”, the Bible never mentions that Matthew and mark wrote their gospels and funnily enough the Bible never mentions the word “bible”. If you read closely the Bible actually leads you back to the church. Now here’s the issue, SDAs believe that the “church” has been corrupted sometime after John, so I’d like you to prove it, or at least back that claim.
Bula to All AA supporters....i really hope that you are correct in your interpretation of end time prophecy....i really do....I've been listening to nearly all of your arguments about the SDAs beliefs.....believe me....i also do my own studies about end time prophecies....and STILL I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT PREACHES IT CLOSER TO THE BIBLICAL TRUTH AS THE SDAs interpretations....that is just a fact to me....i have listened to various preachers from various denominations...read various books from various authors that are not SDAs....but still all of them contains only some truths....but the SDAs interpretation and explanation is still much closer to the Bible...as i read it then the rest....it may sound arrogant....but it is just a fact to me....
You don't question why your Sabbath School lesson and almost everything SDA mentions the writings of one person and not the Bible? You never question the way people are and were treated by just simply asking questions about the belief system? You never wonder why everything you believe is supposed to be from an angel given to a woman when the Bible says not to do that or listen to false prophets?
@@Donatello-b4x Boy, are you backwards, the only things you think you know is the biased opinions of Myles and his lack of complete evidence. It is true our Sabbath school quarterly contain quotes from E.G.W. but everyone of the lesson studies have the scriptures as their main source of information and doctrine. Try again, bro!
@@answeringadventism That's fine, if you don't have to give the full evidence as you always do, then why should anyone else? One of your videos claimed that E.G.W. says the " ( MAN ) Christ Jesus was not God almighty " you're correct there, what you didn't show were the million other paragraphs before she said that and after stating he was God. You only show what you want too, and not the full evidence. Btw, I'm still waiting on that neutral location, neutral mediation, and closed mic debate. Turning me down just keeps proving how actually scared you are to have an actual SDA COME challenge you in a real debate where you can't just post partial truth or interrupt them at your own whim.
THE BLIND CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH OF THE ADVENTIST CHURCH WHICH IS CRYSTAL CLEAR DUE TO THEIR UNBELIEF. SATAN HAS BLINDED THEM (2Cor. 4:3, 4). But, when those things come to pass, THEY WILL LEARN TOO LATE THAT THE PROPHET WAS AMONG THEM. I HAPPY TO BE A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST & I JOYFULLY INVITE EVERYONE WHO IS WILLING TO JOIN THE REMNANT CHURCH!
No, just left that mess and not going back. Stepping back and looking at the fanatical comments like this made it all the more clear that I would never be in a belief system that claims exclusivity.
The SDA church is not a remnant church. It is an apostate church because it accepts a false prophet who contradicts the Bible on many places in her writings.
The notion that God's character is in question -- needs vindication -- is preposterous. It is by definition impossible that God's character could be on trial, for the obvious reason that there is no standard apart from God by which his character could be judged. God is the standard. Any and every concept of rectitude derives from God and nowhere else. To question whether God's character is moral is like questioning whether a yard is 36 inches long. The SDA fantasy that God is "on trial" is not only preposterous, it is blasphemous in the extreme.
Well said! 👍
@@kimartist I agree--very well stated! And to think this message was only provided to the Remnant, at the very toenails of time, by report of visions or an "accompanying angel", is baffling.
@@TesttheProphet You have identified one of the fatal flaws in the notion that 1700 or so years after the close of canon along come additions, such as -- conspicuously -- the pre-creation fantasy in the Great Controversy. God not only ordained what is in the canon, he also ordained what is not. Clearly anyone who claims divine agency to supplement scripture is exactly the opposite of what she claims to be.
And to vindicate the character of God, then 'our keeping God's holy law' accomplishes that and not the atonement at the cross by Christ. So God is vindicated by our works and especially 'keeping the Sabbath' but not by being the sacrifice for our sins.
@@Donatello-b4x Pretty good summary of the heresy in question, Donatello.
As a young boy I always had a problem with the arrogance of the Adventist church it is always them them them and no one else and the arrogance of Ellen is identical to the church
What do you think about the Christian movement of the first century or the reformers movement of the 16th? Did those two allow someone else? Would it be said, Christianity and Judaism, or and stoics?
Either the adventists are unique or they have no reason to fragment Christianity!
Does God has a remnant? Do they keep the commandments? Do they have the faith of Jesus and the spirit of prophecy? Are they proclaiming the three angels message?
@FraidyCat YOU are on trial.
Not God.
God is the JUDGE.
YOU are the defendant.
FraeDen
No on all counts
@@jsimoes9424 you probably have an alien Bible.
21:18 *"And the real Jesus is a Savior."*
🙌 AMEN & 🙌 AMEN & that is the crux ✝️ of the matter.
SDAs have a Jesus who does not/can not save.
@@kimartist right-he’s trying his best but he’s only a savior if you allow him to be and co-labor alongside him.
@TheTruthabouttheAdventis-kh9xx Jesus is God, King, Temple, High Priest & Sacrifice that cleansed sinners - you, me, apostles, everyone who believes.
Wait until Adventist see what Christ thinks of the Adventist works.
That preacher is preaching "REAL GARBAGE"about investigated judgement,sir please repent of your false teaching and get out of her.
Have you ever been to court? What is done before the judge speaks out his final words wherein is pronounced the final verdict? Is it not an investigation? Is it not a hearing of all parties concerned and their lawyers? Did you ever wonder why everybody can be present and why there is a jury? Do you think this is ridiculous?
By the investigative judgment which according to the Bible is a public hearing (Dan 7:10) all intelligent beings are shown that God dealt lovingly and righteously with every person. The claims of Satan which put Gods name on trila will be refuted. ( Rev 15:3-4;) Everybody will aknowledge that God is not selfish, arbitrary, unloving, a respecter of persons as Satan claimed He was concerning Job. How do you think Isaiah 45:23 will be realised?
@FraidyCat God is the JUDGE.
Not the defendant.
YOU are the defendant.
Steven Bhor adds EGW visions into Rev 22:1-10 so he is not preaching a gospel msg.. Christians are saved through Christ merit on the Cross only
Exactly
Also, because SDA don't understand covenants - they are deceiving themselves into literally interpreting that there are 2 paths to salvation but only 1 is the true path (their path), and they decieve other Christians and unsaved that SDA are on the "more correct" path compared to (other) Christians through their works-based sinless perfection salvation model, instead of just merely trusting in what Christ did on the cross by the shedding of His blood paying IN FULL all sin of the believer past, present and future because He is the eternal Word and He can do that. They got the wrong Christ to begin with, so they have no understanding of who the real One is and what He did. They (SDA) are part of the tares that Satan sows to confuse the church.
@@awblanchard23”Works based salvation model”? Where did you get that? Can you give reference? Did you read that in their fundamental believe statements? What are the 2 paths to salvation? I only know one: by faith in the everlasting covenant or covenant of grace that was ratified by the blood of Christ and therefore also called the new covenant expressing the promise of God that salvation is in Christ and that by faith in His full payment for transgression and perfect obedience we become partakers of the inheritence.
@FraeDen what happens at the "investigative judgment" if you don't keep sabbath? EXACTLY. SABBATH SAVES, NOT JESUS ALONE ACCORDING TO THE SDA FALSE GOSPEL.
@@awblanchard23
They have more holes in their perverted gospel than Swiss cheese.
GOD IS NOT ON TRIAL!!!!
As I dated an Adventist a while back and progressively learned about her faith, my view of Adventism changed from just another Christian denomination to a cult.
First I was hit with the obsession with the end of the world, then the almost singular focus on Daniel and Revelation. And them this odd idea that God had to prove himself to the universe.
The God I worship is so much greater than that. He needs no defense. It is only His patience and love for His creation that drove Him to bear with our failings and send Jesus to pay for our sin . He could have wiped the whole thing out without having to answer to anyone. He is God!
The center of the whole Bible story is not a God who it trying to prove himself.
And the core of the message is not the 10 commandments or if we can follow them. They were precisely to prove that we cannot follow them . Israel’s history proves that. Human history proves that.
After the fall, no one can follow the law. It’s impossible.
That’s the whole point of the crucifixion.
And the cross is the center of the Bible.
To divert from that to law keeping or some odd idea of God being on trial is ludicrous.
I remember being flabbergasted when learning of this.
That diversion is Satans aim for us, not some kind of quest to prove the law is too hard to follow.
Ironic too when you consider "Daniel" literally means: "God is my judge." And numerous Scriptures about God being THE JUDGE.
Also hypocritical when you consider SDAs JUDGE EVERYONE, but fall apart like a $2 dollar suitcase whenever someone critically examines their beliefs.
Excellent, jsimoes!
Did Jesus keep them? Yeppers, Jesus said I have kept my Father's commandments. Jesus was human and an example of what it means to be a perfect human through the power of the Holy Spirit and complete and full submission to his Father's will.
1 John 2:4 He that says he knows him ( Christ ) and keepeth not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
@jsimoes9424
I wish you just red your bibles! You'd read statements like "" if you knew who's talking to you, you'd have asked him for water"" john 4.
A tyrant God wouldn't do that!
@kimartist Honey, you're talking to SDAs in name only then. Those of us that live our faith out, and study God's word can debunk anything you through at us.
What always bugs me is all the warnings "not to be deceived" in the Bible and just how all those being deceived look at others as the ones being deceived. When will we all test our beliefs for ourselves, using the scriptures. We need to stop trying to make Bible bend to our doctrines.
Yes
That's exactly what SDA has done. Not a single doctrine is a human made up thing!
That's exactly what SDA has done. Not a single doctrine is a human made up thing!
That's exactly what SDA has done. Not a single doctrine is a human made up thing!
That's exactly what SDA has done. Not a single doctrine is a human made up thing!
SDAs have no exegetical skill. Because their doctrines are a "circular chainlink" they have to defend each false doctrine with another false doctrine, so their problem (with eschatology) begins further back than revelation. The SDA revelation interpretation is the culmination of multiple false teachings. 1) they don't know when 1000 years starts and what the binding of Satan means 2) they don't know what the 144000 are 3) they don't understand number symbology 4)there's technically 3 comings of christ in their system. And it all starts back at Daniel 8 and the false doctrines of 1844 and investigative judgement, which they have to defend. if SDAs can prove 2300 days/years with historical alignment to the bible and christian tradition, im all ears
1) The 1,000 years begins at Jesus' 2nd coming. No one knows the day and hour of that event
2) But SDAs DO know who the 144,000 are. Just because you disagree and have been taught something out of some church denominational book does make them wrong about it.
3) There is no number symbology in scripture. All countings and numbers and such are exact literal counts of whatever the subject is talking about. Dan 9s 70 weeks is just that (7 days per week = 490 days). Given the day/year principle, shown multiple times throughout scripture, 70 weeks is shown to mean exactly 490 years. The number is a literal count even if sometimes the subject may be symbolic.
4) Jesus' 1st coming when He was born. 2nd coming when He takes His people off the earth. 3rd coming when He stands on the Mt. of Olives, raises the wicked dead, judges them, then they are destroyed.
5) "Christian tradition" and what the bible teaches do not always align.
@@davidstarr6604 did Bible mentioned of the third coming
@@sndawn7442 If you go through the bible (from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21) and look for every prophecy about the coming of Jesus (Gen 3:15 is the 1st one - make yourself a list), you will see that all the events associated with Him coming cannot encompass only 2 times.
I won't go through them unless you are sincerely interested. There are quite a few of them. I prefer the KJV. It is IMO more accurate and easier to understand.
Here's just one for example:
Isa 7:14 and chapter 53 (there are others) was His 1st coming.
Matt 24:29-31 shows the 2nd coming (as well as I Thess 4:16-17) when Jesus comes and takes His people off the earth. The promise given to the disciples in John 14:2-3 has to be fulfilled too. The 1st resurrection takes place at the beginning of Rev 20s 1,000 years.
Zech 14:1-8 (also among others) cannot be the 2nd coming but must occur after Rev 20s 1,000 years. Neither can Jude 1:14-16 - God's people are taken to heaven at the 2nd coming. They cannot come down with the New Jerusalem when Jesus comes to get them.
I have long lists of every prophecy I could find on the subject. There is no possible way all could happen in just 2 events. It has to be 3 times.
Most people just don't want to take the time to see for themselves what the bible actually says on the subject. It's much easier to listen to someone else's indoctrinated teachings. So you get 100s of churches with 100s of different ideas on what it's supposed to be......
@@sndawn7442 My reply got blocked. In short your answer is "yes"
If you go through the bible (from Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21) and look for every prophecy about the coming of Jesus (Gen 3:15 is the 1st one - make yourself a list), you will see that all the events associated with Him coming cannot encompass only 2 times.
I won't go through them unless you are sincerely interested. There are quite a few of them. I prefer the KJV. It is IMO more accurate and easier to understand.
Here's just one for example:
Isa 7:14 and chapter 53 (there are others) was His 1st coming.
Matt 24:29-31 shows the 2nd coming (as well as I Thess 4:16-17) when Jesus comes and takes His people off the earth. The promise given to the disciples in John 14:2-3 has to be fulfilled too. The 1st resurrection takes place at the beginning of Rev 20s 1,000 years.
Zech 14:1-8 (also among others) cannot be the 2nd coming but must occur after Rev 20s 1,000 years. Neither can Jude 1:14-16 - God's people are taken to heaven at the 2nd coming. They cannot come down with the New Jerusalem when Jesus comes to get them.
I have long lists of every prophecy I could find on the subject. There is no possible way all could happen in just 2 events. It has to be 3 times.
Most people just don't want to take the time to see for themselves what the bible actually says on the subject. It's much easier to listen to someone else's indoctrinated teachings. So you get 100s of churches with 100s of different ideas on what it's supposed to be......
That is your opinion???
When He will come???
Soon???
The whole Adventist structure rests on interpretations "close to the truth" and word association fallacies. They remind me of Babe Ruth. They'll occasionally hit a home run, but whiff out twice as often. So close. And yet so far.
Love the baseball reference. Babe Ruth actually hit .342 lifetime. Very high
I’m not aware of any Adventist demonic cult homers, or even a single.
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@@Say-hey24
If a cult is batting .342 with their interpretation of the Scriptures, I don't think I would use that stat to defend said cult.
Thanks!
@@Say-hey24
Any study of the SDA history of diet extremism, equating masturbation with the most heinous of sins, and ascribing to a human being a title (Spirit of prophecy) that can only apply to the Holy Spirit, well, those are all cult homers and that's just for starters.
l have a question Myles. So is 1 John 1 : 8 - 1O just ignored then? Or do the Adventists think it's just at a conversion experience? l dont get the ''Oneida'' sinless issue. Correct me if l'm wrong ...but isn't the sanctification process something that takes the rest of a persons life? Only Christ was able to resist every temptation that befell Him. Someone aught to splash a drink of water on this man, and other Adventists ....like Luther did to one of the Wesley brothers. See what happens.
Are you implying that the Gospel has NO POWER to make people holy? If we can't overcome evil why the fuss? Adventists are just doing evil because they can't overcome it! Seriously?
@@kennedynyangenyo9456 Accepting the Gospel and Christ in faith imbues grace on a believer as they go through a process of healing and sanctification. ONLY in Faith with Grace we are able to partake in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4), and we begin that sanctification, the whole point of this process is not to methodically will yourself to stop sinning but to have so much love and faith in christ that the desire to sin no longer exists. SDAs however believe that the mode of salvation is observance of the physical law rather than seeing that there's actually spiritual concept. you’re not a commandment keeper if you “just don’t commit adultery” you’re a commandment observer if the desire to lust no longer looms over you every time you see an attractive person. youre also not a commandment keeper if you go to church on Saturday, your a sabbath observer if you walk with grace and commune with God everyday and allow your nature to be healed and renewed.
So you are holy?@@kennedynyangenyo9456
At 13:30 I don’t believe that verse 11 reffers to a human condition on the “other side of the grave.”
Verse 11 simply highlights the immediate beginning of the (fulfillment of the) prophecy. In other words “this prophecy is for the church, and it’s about to start right now, so let those outside the church live as they please because I’m about to start doing my thing. But those inside the church …you be righteous…you be holy.”
This isn’t a commentary on the unchangeable condition of sinners on this side of the grave. Just simply another way to highlight the imminent beginning of the prophecies in revelation!
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The Bible says that God is being judged and He vindicates Himself. Read Ezekiel 36 from verse 22 to the end. God clears His name by changing His people.
Psalm 51:4
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified (H6663 - vindicated) when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Romans 3:4 NLT
Of course not! Even if everyone else is a liar, God is true. As the Scriptures say *about him,* “You will be proved right in what you say, and you will win your case in court.”
Ezekiel 36:
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, *but for mine holy name's sake,* which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
32 *Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD,* be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Add isaia 5 from verse 1.
What do people think is happening in Genesis 3? Where it all started? How do they interpret""God knew"", what is the tempter saying? God knows something you don't know!
You sure did rip this out of context regarding Ezekiel 36 didn't you? Where God is speaking to the mountains & the land & the Israelites who left the land due to idolatry & who were about to be gathered back into the land from the nations where they were scattered. Nice irrelevant eisegesis 👈😃👍
God is the JUDGE.
YOU are the defendant.
YOU are guilty.
@@kimartist the verses are plain. No explanation needed. You may reject the plainness if you choose. 🙏
@@everyreasonforjesus4376 It is plain you cherry-picked verses with the words "judge" & "court" in them, because you think they prove your case, but when read in context they actually condemn you. Yes, you will be judged by the very plain words you cherry-picked & presented as if they meant something else. Nobody here is scared of SDA eisegesis 🤣🤣🤣
I have a question for anyone who can give me insight. I was watching a video the other day and the word "substitute" regarding Jesus dying in our place was used.
It triggered me a little, weirdly, and this strange thought popped into my head:
I pictured 2 little boys playing checkers, neither of them being experts. One boy's dad wanted his son (us) to win the game so badly (maybe on behalf of himself), that he sat down in his son's place and beat the other little boy at the game, no problem.
His son didn't have to face the demoralization of losing. He didn't have to learn and try harder, etc. He just got to be a winner because of his dad. Can this be, or has anyone ever suggested to you that God cheated against satan??? That the game is unfair because God is all powerful and satan really never had a chance at winning?
I am ex Adventist, and struggling. At least works made me "feel" like I was participating. You know helping myself to win this strange game.
I see so well the ease and wonderfulness of salvation by faith alone, but my brain feels so strung out from trying to comprehend. The Adventist pre-earth story sort of makes the whole thing easier to wrap my brain around because God has to allow us to help ourselves so He's not a cheater.
I feel this is why new age stuff is so popular, as it eliminates the devil and just makes God a loving creator who is uncomplicated. It's very appealing in that way.
Thanks for any thoughtful responses.
PLEASE don't preach at me... just talk to me.
the game is unfair because Satan never had a chance .. ..
Former here .. perhaps satan shouldn’t have stepped into the ring to start with !
Isaiah 29:16.
@davidblowe9096
Thank you... I get what you're saying, but why not just torch Satan for acting out?
I also understand free will, but surely the devil plays the important role of testing our love for God. Why invite him into the game only to beat him instead of letting us beat him,or not, as case may be?
I'm really not trying to be a pain here. And, honestly, as I ask these questions, I seriously feel like some dum-dum that has never read the Bible. I can assure you that's not the case... however, when I did, EGW was right there interwoven into my understanding.
@@danam5272 As a former, transitioning out of sda is hard even when you weren’t a full on egw fan child.
A Baptist changing to Pentecostal or an Anglican changing to Presbyterian or a Catholic changing to Pentecostal is not going to struggle like we did - what does that tell you ?
Can I ask if you attend a new church? I don't even know where to begin.
SDA here. He deleted my comment to you. Can you ask him not to?
Jesus wouldn't have told the woman to not sin if it weren't possible for her to do so. Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Perfecting of the believer happens with the Holy Spirit working in a person's life, it's called sanctification. It's a lifelong process.
Are you there yet? Secondly, are you saying that John lied when he says that anyone who says he is without sin is a liar?
How much do you pray before you do this your work brother?
HERESY of HERESIES: That we puny, insignificant, sinful people will vindicate the character of God by our sinless lives.
Excellent point Terry👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Nobody will nor can be sinnless before Jesus comes. But we can glorify His name by not receiving His grace in vain and thereby refuting the claims of Satan that God is unloving, selfcentered, arbitrary etc…
@@kimartist Incorrect, Satan's challenge to the other heavenly host was claiming God's character and his laws were unfair and that they really didn't have free will to choose for themselves. Adam and Eve both proved this incorrect when they chose to disobey, then Jesus comes along and obeys his father perfectly completing the Law in himself as an example of a perfect human being through love and full submission to his father's will.
All of you say grace nailed the Laws of God to the cross, however, does sin still exist in this world? Do we all still fall short because our love and submission to him is incomplete? Yes! Paul and John both say that " SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW " and " WHERE THERE IS NO SIN THERE IS NO GRACE ". So by you nailing the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD to the cross and removing them from being obedient through love and submission, YOU'RE SAYING SIN doesn't exist anymore! If that's the case what you're really saying is Jesus only died for those before the cross and there hasn't been a sinner since the cross because the very laws that define what sin is don't exist anymore. Yeah, that logic makes sense rofl, so I guess we can now do anything the commandments say we are not supposed to, we can lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other gods, be disrespectful to parents, covet, bear false witness, bow to idols and take his name in vain!!! If you're shaking your head NO, then you're exactly right we can't do those things, and if we can't break those then the whole law still applies including the Sabbath.
@@kimartist Matthew 5:38 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
If you achieved perfection, tell me how you did it.
According to Adventisim..you don't have to be wicked to be lost.
SDA here
The question is God on trial, is quite simple to answer.
As most protestants agree that Gods character is reflected
in his law this question becomes easier to answer.
Now if we ask are Gods laws on trial what do you think most would say?
That scripture shows that Gods character is a reflection of His law is clear...
Like God "the law of the Lord is perfect" PS 19:7,8
Like God "The law is holy, and the commandment holy and just
and good" Romans 7:12
*Notice*
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are *not grievous* . 1 John 5:3
Grievous: Of something bad.
This verse as well as many others sure sounds like Gods commandments are on trial. All throughout scripture Gods law(His character) is validated and reaffirmed...
OT: "All your commandments are righteuos" PS 119:172
NT: "we do know that we know Him, if we keep his commandments"
1 John 2:3
Vindicate: to justify...
"just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints." Rev 15:3
Please prayerfully consider these verses.
God bless
God is the JUDGE.
Not the defendant.
And you are blind.
That verse is not referring to the Decalogue
I have one question for everyone who watches Myles's videos. I don't care who it is, but one of you give me the biblical definition of sin. Let's see if any of you can do it without proving SDAs right regarding the commandments.
Sin is missing the mark. Adventists believe they can live without sinning. That’s the problem . Scripture says if you claim to be without sin you’re a liar.
Ellen said no one should say they are saved. Jesus disagreed when he declared Zacheus saved.
@@jsimoes9424 you're incorrect on all accounts.
1.) 1 John 3:4 Sin the transgression of the Law.
Romans 4:14 Without the Law there can be no sin.
2.) SDAs believe it is possible to live without sin, whether to achieve that goal is another matter. We don't say nor have we ever said that anyone is sinless besides Christ. However, we do believe the goal is to be like Christ which is sinless, through complete submission to his will and the power of the Holy Spirit.
3.) E.G.W. taught the complete opposite of what you say she did.
4.) Don't quote things to me without the scriptures to back them up, and if you present the scriptures it better be in context. Because I'll be sure to let you know with more scripture if it isn't.
Lastly, Before I was an SDA I was a Baptist who said , did, and used every argument the same as what you try and do.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl you listen to a witch!
AHHH, the perfect commandment keepers really get mad when you point out their sin but have no problem pointing out others. @TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
"Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit."
~ Psalm 32 : 1ff
That pretty clear to me. Jesus will come after Judgment of all on earth is finished.
That's why Jesus says " it is finished" when he returns for his own in Revelation 21:6-7
New Living Translation
6 And he also said, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega-the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give freely from the springs of the water of life. 7 All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Why would you take Barnes more authoritative than Bohr? Why?
Why do you take Ellen more authoritative than thr Bible?
Take it as true from a guy who happens to be the son of a Seventh-day Adventist Pastor .
And, has a bone to pick with ONLY SDAs, no other church. Interesting.
Might want to go and get a refund from whoever you get your bad information from.
1. I’ve done street evangelism for years before starting Answering Adventism.
This included evangelism to Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, Atheists, Christian scientists, Muslims, Roman Catholics, and countless other individuals.
2. Believe it or not people can actually do more than one endeavor in life. You know nothing about me and what all I’m involved in.
3. I don’t have a “bone to pick.” This is laughable considering your guys’ entire movement has a bone to pick with literally everyone else and is calling them to come join you guys because we’re an abomination to God.
This platform is about evangelism to an overlooked people group that need it. No differently than you guys think you need to evangelize everyone else. But you get butt hurt when the same thing is said to you guys. Hypocrisy.
But yeah, good job dodging what was in focus in the video and lying instead. Excellent work, “commandment keeper” 😂
Brother and sister do listen the full sermon which our brother cut then you will understand fully, cutting some part and reacting can lead you away from truth unless you listen full sermon you will not understand the truth..
This guy doesn't really know what is Prophecy. Does every Prophecy Fulfillment understood by original audience?
Ex: Gen 1:15, Isaiah 53, etc..
They are without a prophet no spirit of prophecy the law and the testimony of they speak not according to these two there is no light in them
Did isaia and the people of his time understand the prophecies of the Messiah? No! Do we? Yes!
Is the women of revelation supposed to have happened during the first century? So is the bible relevant to us? Does it have anything for today? Myles just wants to deceive!
@@robertbaker231
Your prophet was a witch, why are you so proud about it?
And just for some clarity, the Word of God said:
"God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. But in these last days he has spoken to us by His Son" Hebrews 1:2
NOTHING ABOUT ELLEN WHITE!!!
@nonconformist4802 Did you catch how he says 'they are without a prophet'? It all comes down to her instead of Jesus. Always.
@@Donatello-b4x
I do agree 100% with you.
My comment don't show up for me, cant remember what I have said.
Myles, of all the things you CANT DEFEND is sunday as the "Lord day" 5:54.
You can't defend.
He's done several hours on it in previous videos actually.
Please don’t embarrass yourself with these kind of comments
ill defend it in half a paragraph. The ”Lords Day” mentioned verbatim, only once in the bible, in Revelation 1:10 in Greek is Κυριακή, it is the same word used for “Sunday” to this very day, which also bares the same root word “Lord” (κύριος). The Lords Day (Κυριακή) vs The Sabbath (Σάββατο), theyre not the same day. the church still affirms the specific sabbath and doesn't actually negate it. Sunday is the Lords Day/Resurrection Day of our Lord. It's just our understanding of what Sabbath is that's fundamentally different.
@@OCapologetics
Yes! The church GAVE God a day! The church called some day the "lord's day""! Not a single unequivocal statement in the bible that God ever called it so!
@@kennedynyangenyo9456 the Bible also never mentions Jesus unequivocally stating “I am God, worship me”, the Bible never says the word “trinity”, the Bible never mentions that Matthew and mark wrote their gospels and funnily enough the Bible never mentions the word “bible”. If you read closely the Bible actually leads you back to the church. Now here’s the issue, SDAs believe that the “church” has been corrupted sometime after John, so I’d like you to prove it, or at least back that claim.
Bula to All AA supporters....i really hope that you are correct in your interpretation of end time prophecy....i really do....I've been listening to nearly all of your arguments about the SDAs beliefs.....believe me....i also do my own studies about end time prophecies....and STILL I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT PREACHES IT CLOSER TO THE BIBLICAL TRUTH AS THE SDAs interpretations....that is just a fact to me....i have listened to various preachers from various denominations...read various books from various authors that are not SDAs....but still all of them contains only some truths....but the SDAs interpretation and explanation is still much closer to the Bible...as i read it then the rest....it may sound arrogant....but it is just a fact to me....
@@watetagilala4117 you didn’t engage or refute anything presented. You just made assertions.
You don't question why your Sabbath School lesson and almost everything SDA mentions the writings of one person and not the Bible?
You never question the way people are and were treated by just simply asking questions about the belief system? You never wonder why everything you believe is supposed to be from an angel given to a woman when the Bible says not to do that or listen to false prophets?
You presented not even one fact. Do you know what a fact is?
@@Donatello-b4x Boy, are you backwards, the only things you think you know is the biased opinions of Myles and his lack of complete evidence. It is true our Sabbath school quarterly contain quotes from E.G.W. but everyone of the lesson studies have the scriptures as their main source of information and doctrine. Try again, bro!
@@answeringadventism That's fine, if you don't have to give the full evidence as you always do, then why should anyone else? One of your videos claimed that E.G.W. says the " ( MAN ) Christ Jesus was not God almighty " you're correct there, what you didn't show were the million other paragraphs before she said that and after stating he was God. You only show what you want too, and not the full evidence.
Btw, I'm still waiting on that neutral location, neutral mediation, and closed mic debate. Turning me down just keeps proving how actually scared you are to have an actual SDA COME challenge you in a real debate where you can't just post partial truth or interrupt them at your own whim.
THE BLIND CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH OF THE ADVENTIST CHURCH WHICH IS CRYSTAL CLEAR DUE TO THEIR UNBELIEF. SATAN HAS BLINDED THEM (2Cor. 4:3, 4). But, when those things come to pass, THEY WILL LEARN TOO LATE THAT THE PROPHET WAS AMONG THEM. I HAPPY TO BE A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST & I JOYFULLY INVITE EVERYONE WHO IS WILLING TO JOIN THE REMNANT CHURCH!
No, just left that mess and not going back. Stepping back and looking at the fanatical comments like this made it all the more clear that I would never be in a belief system that claims exclusivity.
The remnant of Millererism=SDA
The SDA church is not a remnant church. It is an apostate church because it accepts a false prophet who contradicts the Bible on many places in her writings.
This is not a joyful message, hon. You do realize you just preached a message about Satan with Jesus Christ nowhere in sight?
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx true prophets do not contradict Scripture, something EGW did on many occasions.
It's unfortunate that you are not a prophet 😅😅 so what ever you preach, it's for your descendants and admirers
Myles cause more people to confuse with the Bible than understand the truth of Prophecy in the Bible
Your name sounds very close to moronism, is that just a coincidence or is there a link?
What drives you?
You're post are apostate
HAPPY SABBATH 🙏
What does apostate mean to you. Are there any ramifications?
The only happy sabbath I have is in Jesus. He gives rest from sins.❤
That’s what YOU are, but what am I? Jesus is Lord of every day of the week!
Only an SDA would follow up "apostate" with "happy sabbath" 🙄
@jonasaras what does apostate mean to you? What is the consequences of that?
Please preach more on salvation the gospel. Enough
Might want to research what the purpose of this channel is for
What is the Gospel?