Once Saved Always Saved - Is it biblical?
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- The idea of “once saved always saved” (OSAS) is 100% true, and it’s also completely false! You can find passages in Scripture that support that statement, and others that contradict it. And I believe that’s because this is the wrong question to ask. It misses the nature of biblical faith and salvation. Let's spend a few minutes looking through Scripture to build a basic biblical understanding of the certainty of salvation.
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Losing and walking away are two different things
Don't ask yourself if you can lose your salvation, instead, ask yourself if Jesus can lose one of his sheep?
Scripture doesn't say you can loose your salvation but it does talk about turning away from faith, doesn't it ?!
@@krisztianpatay9812 Scripture does not say that true children of God can walk away, because faith is a gift of God given to all people that God predestined before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 and 2 are great chapters to read on this topic.
@@krisztianpatay9812 you just proved yourself wrong.
John 10:26 But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand
@@germaan1 Scripture doesn't say that you are predestined as an individual.
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Hey Professor Solberg, I was wondering as a request (as I'm sure you receive many of), if you could discuss in one of your upcoming videos repentance? What is that supposed to look like? How are we as Christians supposed to do that? This is a concept I've been struggling with in my walk with Christ. I know it's supposed to be a turning away from sin (a changing of mind), but how do we differentiate between struggling with sin and still ongoing repetitive sin (despite there are feelings of remorse afterwards)? I know the Bible doesn't teach sinless perfection, so how do we address this and handle it? Thank you!
Repentance is something that happens AFTER Jesus has saved and made spiritually alive one of Gods chosen ones. Fake repentance is what happens to all the fake christians that fill all the apostate churches. They all think it is their repentance that has saved them, that they must live a totally repentant life to be and remain a Christian.
The main repentance is in how we think and in what we believe. Those few who are actually saved completely change the way they think and what they believe. They turn form all their unbiblical ignorance and from all their false beliefs and wrong understandings. They do not live a sinless life.
Gday there Rob, would like to ask about the verses of discipline and chastisement, if someone who has faith goes on doing things or walking away so to say, doesn’t God chastise and discipline that person? Would like your thoughts on that
EVERY TRUE Believer has the Indwelling of Holy Spirit, --- Phil 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ ----- I will stand on God's promise
That believer would be judged accordingly by God but it would not affect their salvation if their faith has truly been placed in God.
Hi, Colonel!
"The Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son” (Heb. 12:6, )
"Blessed is the one you discipline, Lord, the one you teach from your law" (Ps. 94:12)
"Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline.(A) So be earnest and repent." (Rev. 3:19)
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks Rob, I really appreciate that.
Hebrews 6:4
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Eternal security is the biblical teaching regarding salvation. The Hebrews passage about "if we continue in sin after receiving knowledge of the truth" refers to Jewish people who reject Christ's sacrifice and instead choose the animal temple sacrifices. The sin they are continuing in is unbelief, not simply engaging in sinful actions. The Bible teaches that those who leave the faith leave because "they were never of us".
Amen 🙏 . True hermeneutical context of the book of Hebrews. I truly believe bible saying; OSAS unless not saved in the first place..
@@Mikhael1964 No doubt. Many miss the context of this Hebrews passage that focuses on encouraging the Jewish people to trust in the once for sacrifice of Christ and not the old system of sacrifices in the temple.
So does that mean I can reject the letters to Corinth because I'm not a Corinthian? Or a galatian? Or a Roman? Etc
There is no jew or gentile in Christ and Hebrews, like all books of the bible are written to believers
@@heather602 Audience relevance is an important principle in biblical interpretation that helps us understand the context and intended meaning of a passage. By considering the original audience, their perspective, and the purpose of the passage, we can avoid misinterpreting the Bible and apply its teachings accurately to our lives.
@@maxxbax9365 Is that a yes?
Jesus's own words - John 10:26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. ----- I stand with Jesus and find Peace in the fact that no matter what I am His
There's no getting around this verse
@@philiphoch Amen
Amen 🙏. OSAS , unless not saved in the first place ..
Doesn’t say the sheep can’t walk away on their own accord. The sheep that stay hearing his voice won’t get snatched
@@bigbangcesar ever read the parable of the Lost Sheep? He will Not Let You, sorry Me Go. Stupid response. But good try. You should write Bible commentaries ......................................... or maybe read you
What study bible do you use? Looking for a new one. Do you have a list of recommended resources.
Hi Robert! I use a pretty wide range of study Bibles, commentaries, and monographs. I like to get a range of views as I'm studying. I don't have a recommended resources list. Maybe I should! Here are a few in my collection:
NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible
NRSV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible
IVP Bible Background Commentary
New International Greek Testament Commentary Series
Eerdman's Companion to the Bible
CSB Ancient Faith Study Bible
Faithlife Study Bible
Bible Knowledge Commentary
New Bible Commentary
The Jewish Annotated New Testament
Blessings, Robert
All those books and not one Bible. It's clear why you don't know the truth, it's because you don't have the words of God.
@@andresmiranda7875 He listed 5 Bibles. Are you blind? Repent.
@@kimartist no, he listed 5 books, not one of them is a Bible. There is only one word of God and it is the authorized KING JAMES BIBLE. All of those "bibles" have removed whole verses and have changed words, now who would do that to God's word? Who was the first to question God and change what God has said. Wake up and repent to true salvation
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)
@@andresmiranda7875Nonsense, the KJV was written at a time when Jewish hate was rife..It is the most anti Semitic, politically motivated translation on the planet..The translators wanted to please the King, not upset him, so they changed certain scripture so to please him, at the expense ,over truth. It's odd, most of these people who idolise the KJV are in fact American, not British. We here on the UK been Christians Fr over 1800 years . We know how our country very well, we know how our past has been manipulated by our past Royalty,we know how people were biased and brown nosed towards the royalty,always wanting to please them etc..Want to know the real bible, go and study original languages Biblical Hebrew,Greek,Aramaic, as every time scripture is translated to another language, it loses its authenticity..The Good News of Christ Jesus unto Salvation fr mankind however is the same in ALL translations.. That's all we need..Theology,or a bible translation doesn't save you, Jesus does..
John 3:16, & 36 and John 6:47 says it all. It’s never ending and you can have it today because the verses are present tense. It’s crystal clear today, and forever because he is the savior period.
Was just discussing this topic with my jehovah's witnesses friend... And it just pops up on my feed. 👍🏾
Holy Bible verses quoted in this video:-
John 3v16
Ephesians 2 v8-9
Romans 3v23-24
Titus 3v5
Galatians 2v16
2 Timothy 1v9
Hebrews 10v23
Hebrews 13v8
John 10v27-29
Luke 8v13
Hebrews 6v4-v6
Hebrews 10 v26
2 Timothy 4v7
Colossians 2v22-23
Hebrews 11v1
Deuteronomy 6v5
Psalm 73v23-26
Manashantii The Christian
interesting
Interesting! Thanks, Manashantii The Christian,
RLS
It really made sense that once saved always saved is 100 percent true and 100 percent false. Well said.
True Faith is Forever - Hebrews 10:14 "For by one offering he hath "perfected for ever" them that are sanctified".
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
If we are born by the will of God, think of what that means, can things created by His will end. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. Can those born of His will die? What do you think?
@@RachelWeeping Everything is Created by His will. You seem confused as to the meaning of the scripture
@salpezzino7803 Thank you may God comfort and bless you
This is where audience relevance and context should be considered when exegeting scripture to prove one's theological POV.
Ex Rob cites: " Jesus said, The one who endures to the end will be saved. (Matt 24:13)." Note that in context the subject is eschatological concerning the END which sign is the temple when it will be destroyed. That happened in the 1st century.
In Matt. 24:3, Jesus' disciples asked 3 questions, not just one.
1.When will these things be? (Temple destroyed)
2. Sign of Your coming?
3.End of the age?
Jesus' answers flowed from one to another without creating a perfect timeline. So, the destruction certainly happened in 70A.D., but the great Tribulation, Christ's return and the end of the age are still impending.
The end? Rom. 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law to all that believe
@@ralphowen3367 Context there is about righteousness.
@@robinq5511 From the time convert is born of the Spirit, he or she becomes spirit, and is from that point on going from faith to faith with no interruption of sinning. Thus, they are continually righteous as the Father is--I Jn. 3:7; Pr. 4:18.
@@ralphowen3367 The end of the law and the end of the age are certainly two different things.
Rob, I can see the train of thought here thanks. One question I would love to hear your views on it on "The Elect" thanks for all you do!
Shalom Shalom. Beautifully explained! I agree 100%. I have not encountered a teacher who has explained this topic so well and backed it up with scriptures. Thank You, professor, God bless you 🙏
This false teacher has deceived you. Repent! No saved person can ever lose their salvation. Period!
Rob, i really enjoyed this video and i dont thinkbi have any point of disagreement here. Its refreshing to see this video, a kind of break from your normal focus on hebrew roots. This video was truly defending the biblical roots of christianity. I would like to see more videos of this nature
Dear Matt, can you say in all certainty that you will be in Heaven when you die?
@robertrlkatz6890 I do believe that. An interesting question you ask. It it pointing to a OSAS? I believe the bible teaches that we have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. I see these as christ has finished his work of salvation on the cross for all mankind, we are being continually being sanctified and refined into the likeness of Christ, and by perseverance in faith we will inherit God kingdom. All of these things have relationships to salvation because they are all results of faith in Christ which is the thing required for salvation. I beleive I am saved by faith, I continue in refinement and sanctification by faith, and I will persevere in by faith toll the end.
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
And many will do exactly that!
@@Vincent-gc3cu everyone would be in hell now if anything in salvation would depend on us. Check yourself before the Lord.
@@germaan1
The number of people that will lose their Salvation will be as the Sands of the sea.
THEY = the people who numbered as the sands of the Sea, along with Satan
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the SAND of the SEA.
9 And THEY went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
@@Vincent-gc3cu good thing that you are good enough to keep yourself saved 👍
@@germaan1
God, his Grace, and his law.
God gives his grace (born again), and I will posses to power to keep all of Gods active Ten Commandments flawlessly!
😉👍
Shalom brother Solberg, thank you for your perseverance in Yeshua in teaching and encouraging in Christ Jesus. May He continue to bless you and your beautiful family ❤
I know I had the Holy Spirit in me, He took all my addictions away and gave me a love for God's Word. How do I know He hasn't lft me because of my lack of obedience. Isn't my obedience a fruit of true faith? I thought I was sealed till the day of the Lord. Now how can I be sure? Is my confidence now in me to be able to keep my faith. I'm a screw up ill surely mess this up too.
amen, God Bless You
At the end of the day bro we must submit to God, resist the devil and move forward. Mark Spence once said may I finish the race well even if it doesn't look like I'm still in the race..stop that sin that caused you to lose your confidence..get on your knees and call on the Lord. Never get to the place where u give up. Never. Stay. Down. Always get up and return to God. Look at the prodigal how he told his dad I'm no longer worthy to be called your son but the dad embraced him.. check out the living waters TH-cam channel and watch their videos on sins u struggle with
Search for the fruits of the spirit, if you have them, you probably have been spiritually born. By this point on, you can only forfeit salvation if you do it wilfully, like exchanging your belief in Christ for survival, or for a mark that will allow you to buy and sell, if you know what I mean.
bro at the end of the day. Mark Spence said may I finish well even though it looks like im not in the race..if your struggling with sin, type that sin with Living Waters..they do excellent videos as well theyve done videos on porn ect....NEVER.STAY.DOWN..if you sin, get up and return to your King
Thanks for your vulnerability, NLAS. To me, it comes down to answering this question: "Right now, in this moment, do I trust in Jesus to forgive my sins and accept me into enteral life with Him?" It's a yes or no question. And it's not "Do I _deserve_ forgiveness?" It's "Do I trust in Christ's forgiveness." If our honest answer is "Yes," we are secure. Even if it's "Yes, but..." Or "I'm pretty sure" or "I think so." Even if we have a lot of questions. Even if we screw up and fall short (which we will!). Even if our obedience is less than perfect. If our answer is any version of "Yes, I trust Jesus," He will never let us go, no matter how much we squirm.
Our job is simply to believe and trust Him, and He will help us with our faith, He will carry us. Our confidence is in Him, not ourselves. And our faith is strengthened as we focus more on God and what He has done, and less on ourselves and what we might do. When we mess up, we confess and repent and trust in Christ's forgiveness. When we wander away for a time, like the prodigal son, we turn around and head home and trust in Christ's forgiveness.
Blessings, Rob
I'm with you Rob. OSAS never made sense to me in light of all the scripture that you referenced.
I agree. And there are many passages that add to this that he didn't reference. Still, people will believe what they want to believe and it seems Rob may have some of his fans turn on him with this subject. They wish he would have just stuck to condemning torahism.
I’m with Rob on this one as well, but I also believe that the Bible doesn’t teach once apostate always apostate, otherwise Samson, Solomon, David etc. would not have been able to return to God.
,...You are also with him in being unsaved and outside of the kingdom of God. Repent!
Hey Rob, what do you think about Matthew 6:14-15 ? For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Does this speak against once saved, always saved? And is it considered works to forgive others that sin against you?
The problem I see with this issue is that it really only matters to each individual.
No amount of outside preaching, teaching, arguing, debating, commentary, policy statements, etc. can change/intervene/influence what occurs between God & that person.
I speak from experience when I say that the false convert has no idea they're not saved (unless they're a deliberate infiltrator &/or con artist, but I'm not dealing with that sort of thing here).
After all, they (the false convert) raised their hand, went to the front, prayed the prayer, signed the "decision card," got baptized, attended church, participated in communion, etc. etc. - how can anyone possibly say they're not part of the club?!
That was my perspective as someone who was railroaded into Christianity by the mom of a childhood friend wielding a "4 Spiritual Laws" pamphlet:
See? Here's a picture of two cliffs - you're on one side & God’s on the other - how will you cross over?! Then a cross magically appeared across the divide & the little stick figure was able to happily walk over the cross to God. 🤔
Where did the cross come from? What in the world did it mean? I'd never even read the Bible before! Who was that Jesus fellow & why was I supposed to be so eager to cross an imaginary bridge over to Him? I was just a child & nothing bad had ever happened (yet) - no deaths in the immediate family, no divorces, nothing. To me it came across like something I needed to do to preserve the friendship with the childhood friend (because I'd already seen her reject a classmate who couldn't be persuaded to convert). I had NO understanding of what it was all about & I was so young & naive that I didn't even understand that I was just going along with this clumsily-presented "Gospel" to save a friendship that was important to me. She eventually went away to college, got married, etc. & I saw no more reason to keep up the charade, although I would still tell people I was Christian, because, after all, I had done all the "stuff."
It wasn't until middle-age when life came crashing down on me personally & I needed HELP! that I started reading the Bible, which was actually prompted by "accidentally" finding a copy of "The Power of Positive Thinking" by Norman Vincent Peale - book I wouldn't recommend now, but he did consistently plead for people to read the Bible for themselves throughout. His recommendation to start with Proverbs/Psalms + Gospels leading into the Epistles, I still find valuable today.
I won't go into my testimony here, but I eventually had a real life crisis where God intervened & I tell you what: When God Himself shows up you don't soon forget it & I quite frankly don't know how you could "fall away" from something like that? I mean, once the divide from "head knowledge" to "heart knowledge" is crossed, there's no going back.
I'm not saying there were never times of doubt in the intervening years, but the same God Who showed up when I was first saved just kept right on showing up. I've lost count of the prayers answered & miracles seen & He has truly become my Life, my Love, my reason for being.
And now I can look back on my false conversion & the difference between then & now is like night & day! But I can honestly say my falsely-converted self really thought she had become saved by all the "secret handshake" stuff (I'm being sarcastic, but that's what it felt like at the time), even though there was no life change, nor even a DESIRE for life change, let alone not even really understanding what in the heck was going on.
So I said all this to say that all the back & forth bickering that goes on about this topic doesn't amount to a hill of beans to the person caught in the limbo of a false conversion.
No amount of "persuasive words" can ever move them across the line from false to true - God Himself has got to do it.
Until then, all this debate is nothing but shouting into the wind.
Come Holy Spirit, blow.
Very well said, and thanks for sharing your testimony..Praise GOD for all the blessings he has given you 🙏. I just love hearing these testimonies of GOD coming to there rescue so to speak,and how GOD transforms their lives .Amen 🙏. Your comment is a breath of fresh air fr all us Christians. We spend a whole lotta time arguing,falling out over theology, when we miss the basics of the Gospel of Christ Jesus. Jesus even said love each other, love others,love neighbours in need,so that when we do unbelievers can see and know we are of GOD.. I wonder how many truth seekers come on hear and see the arguments,disunity instead of GODS love amongst us ..Thank you fr reminding me,us of what all this about..And please forgive me of the times I may have not shown Christian love to you Kim..GOD BLESS, YOU, AND MAY GODS GRACE,PEACE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS SISTER IN CHRIST ..AMEN 🙏
@@Mikhael1964 Thank you & may God richly bless you 🙏🤍🕊
So what your shouting into the wind is OSAS ?
Do you know with absolute certainty that you will go to Heaven when you die?
I was absolutely born again and Spirit filled, a sense of His presence and a supernatural joy that lifted me out of my circumstances and a suicidal depression... This sense of the HS lasted for a couple of months until i sinned in a certain way, I then got involved in a church that taught OSAS and calvanism and it led me into sin because now i was feeling distant from God.
I became very confused about how to live it and i went away from the Lord. I wanted what i perceived as an easy life...
galations warns us that the flesh wars against the Spirit.. that it is a battle..
Early church fathers (ad70-320 ish) did not teach saved by faith alone or that you couldnt lose your salvation. Calvin went back to augustine ad400, not the early church fathers.
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And scripture makes it clear
Rom 8:12-14 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 FOR IF YOU LIVE ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE, YOU WILL DIE; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
John 15:6 If you do not remain IN me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
v10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.
James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; AND SIN, WHEN IT IS FULL-GROWN, GIVES BIRTH TO DEATH.
Hey Rob! A little shocked about this one. Please refer back to your Hebrews 5 video in the section about OSAS. Any reason you changed your mind?
where did he stand there?
Hi, JS! Yes, I would say that my position on OSAS has evolved and become more nuanced. What I said in that episode is that I would generally answer "yes" to the question "Once a person is saved are they always saved?" But I added that it’s important to understand what that actually means. (Here's a link to the section of that video where I talk about it: th-cam.com/video/1kOumNsC-Fc/w-d-xo.html )
I said that when we come to a _genuine_ faith in Jesus, our salvation is secure. It’s not something that can be taken away from us, or that we can sin away, or that requires us to maintain a certain level of performance in order to keep. We are eternally secure if we believe. And that’s because our salvation isn’t based on our inconsistent human behavior, it’s based on God’s unchanging faithfulness. And that's all pretty consistent with what I mentioned in this video.
The area where my position has evolved is in the realization that, despite what may or may not be going on "behind the scenes"-and I believe there is room for honest disagreement there-God's Word warns us against falling away, which implies that is a real danger that we need to be aware of and avoid. Jesus said, "The one who endures to the end will be saved." (Matt 24:13). And no one will endure to the end under their own power. God carries us! But the goal of this video is to encourage us to look at faith as a long game, to invest in our ongoing relationship with our Father.
Blessings,
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Greetings 🙏. Then again we cannot ignore Jesus stating firmly : "I won't lose any the father has given me" .....and; ," I give them eternal life, and they will never perish", and : "no one will snatch them out of my hand" , and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" and; ,"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" ...etc..
Remember NO ONE comes to Jesus except through father, those who GOD gives him..Yes, salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26).
The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26-27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure.
The ones who continue with sin as their master I truly believe we're not saved in first place. So my belief is; OSAS Unless not saved in the first place...It's the only way to make sense of GODS word with the various verses saying otherwise. GOD BLESS🙏
@@TheBiblicalRootsGreetings 🙏..The Biblical answer in dealing with those verses that seem to contradict OSAS is very simple; OSAS unless not saved in the first place. Let me explain;
We simply cannot ignore ,not Deny what Jesus stated firmly : ie: "I won't lose any the father has given me" .....and; ," I give them eternal life, and they will never perish", and : "no one will snatch them out of my hand" , and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" and; ,"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" ...etc..
Remember NO ONE comes to Jesus except through father, those who GOD gives him..Yes, salvation is a sovereign act of God whereby an unregenerate sinner is washed, renewed, and born again by the Holy Spirit (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). When salvation occurs, God gives the forgiven sinner a new heart and puts a new spirit within him (Ezekiel 36:26).
The Spirit will cause the saved person to walk in obedience to God’s Word (Ezekiel 36:26-27; James 2:26). Numerous passages of Scripture declare the fact that, as an act of God, salvation is secure.
The ones who continue with sin as their master I truly believe we're not saved in first place. So my belief is; OSAS Unless not saved in the first place...It's the only way to make sense of GODS word with the various verses implying otherwise. GOD BLESS🙏
@TheBiblicalRoots Hey brother! Thanks so much for answering. Off subject, but I have to say that your content has tremendously blessed me in dealing with loved ones who unfortunately have fallen to Torahism. It seems like such a crime to comment and not thank you for the tireless effort on your part.
Thanks for the clarification. I will say your answer still slightly opens a can of worms. True conversation seems to be an identity change and something a true believer will continue to do. (2 Cor. 5:17) (1 John 3:6) 1 John 2:19). Even in John 3:16, the Greek word for "believe" is used in the active present participle tense. It is a statement that true believers are in a continual state of belief.
One of the characteristics of the sheep is that they hear his voice, and that they do not follow the stranger's voice. It's not merely a work, but a characteristic of the sheep. The shepherd doesn't lose them. (John 10:1-16) Jesus in another passage makes it His responsibility to keep those the Father has given Him. (John 6:37-40)
Even the prophesy about the New Covenant suggests a permanent heart change, not of matter of keeping up with salvation, if you will. He says I will put My fear in them so they will not depart. These are scriptures you've heard of. (Jer. 32:40) (Ezk 36:26). Jesus also makes a bold declaration when He says that in the last days, many will claim to know Him and He will tell them I NEVER knew you. (Mat 7:21-23). Jesus here doesn't suggest He once knew them, which is why I believe the good soil in the parallel of the seed and the sower is the only soil that receives salvation. Scripture sets up this idea of wheat and tares, and I do believe not everyone who confesses belief is actually a wheat.
I believe we must live out our salvation thoroughly as the scriptures tell us, but it's not a matter of keeping our salvation. It's a matter of seeking the Kingdom and its righteousness (Matt. 6:33) and being a light in this world. Not out of hearing, but of doing.
If a genuine believer could lose their salvation, then many of these promises Jesus makes are void. That means scriptures such as Romans 8:28, Philippians 1:6, Matthew 6:18, Isaiah 55:11 are null and void.
Scripture also doesn't suggest that once your sin is nailed to the cross, Jesus will then unscrew for any reason. It's a once and for all action. Jesus is not nailing, then un-nailing repeatedly. Once you're purchased with His blood, pain in full by His sacrifice and stripes, His purchase can't be revoked. When you're born again, you can't become un-born again. When you're a new creation, you can't revert back to the old creation. That's the bigger picture to Hebrews 6. That passage is saying that it's impossible for those who are enlightened to be renewed again if they fall away. Why? Because Jesus only died once and you would have to "cruficy Jesus again." This statement is a hypothetical situation used to explain that the Jews no longer needed to do repeated animal sacrifices in the New Covenant, because Jesus is a once and for all sacrifice. Plus, if you take Hebrews 6 to mean you could lose your salvation, then that means you believe you can't get it back.
Lastly, it's generally understood that Matthew 24 is speaking of enduring through the tribulation period, not about enduring for salvation. I don't know where your views on eschatology land, but in Revelation, the church age is not found during the tribulation period. The saints who get saved are there as well as the Jews, but not the church age who are built on the rock. You don't find the church age after Revelation 4. And they don't return until the second coming of Christ. Revelation chapter 22, I believe.
Maybe this could be a video topic? Sorry, I didn't plan on writing this super long message. I know you're busy and stewarding the Lord's work well. I'd love to hear your feedback .
Thanks for all you do brother.
Only the seed that falls on good ground and produce fruit is those who are born again.
That's a really interesting observation, Steven. I've wrestled with that a bit. Is it possible for someone to come to an authentic faith without being born again? Does the Bible seems to leave that possibility open?
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots It is not possible. When one is born again they are made into a new creation and the Holy Spirit dwells within us and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of our redemption. God also stated in His word that He would finish the work He began in us. Anyone who walks away was never born again.
I think this says it all. You can't lose your salvation, but you can leave it and walk away. I've seen this happen to people that once walked with GOD .
Amen brother!..1Cor 10:9-12
We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents,
nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer.
Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.
Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.
What an amazing break down of this issue. Never stop moving to Christ. Loving him and submitting to his gory. Even when we mess up. He knows we will and do. That's why he had to send his son to pay the price for every single person. But to reject Christ and backslide away from Jesus. You didn't lose salvation. You give it up. Great video and God bless everyone. Thank you Jesus for today.
Yes ( please proofread your statement) it is "gory" when we say salvation can be lost, and that we still sin as Christians. Good day!
Either your saved through grace or your not. You can't have both. You can't add anything to the grace of God. Your "WORK" is to believe and that is counted to u as righteousness because after you believe ,your IN HIM [Christ] and he is your righteousness.
But the works of faith that we must do are love and forgiveness, and many who claim to be Christian don't do these.. these are the 'works' we are commanded to do in order to maintain our salvation . Don't be deceived, God will not be mocked..whatever a man sows he shall reap. May you encounter the fear of the Lord to lead you in wisdom and truth. May you see the truth of His word and not believe 'Christian culture' that is false teaching. DON'T BE DECEIVED.
We're saved by grace THROUGH faith. Jesus did say the work was to believe on Him. Believing is presented as ongoing and active. Jesus warns against falling away, against turning away from our righteousness and going back to the world to wallow in filth.
Yes Yes and Yes!!!!!!!!!!
💯 AMEN!! Salvation is of The Lord!
God's grace alone accomplished entirely by The Lord Jesus Christ ALONE!
@@liontribe555 yes absolutely - John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER GOES ON BELIEVING (trusts in, clings to, relies on) in him shall not perish but go on having eternal life.
Taken from the amplified bible. And david pawson says on p1229 of Unlocking the bible that this verse is in the present continuous tense, the person who goes on believing.
Also the early church fathers beleived that although your salvatioin was a gift you had to maintain it.
David bercot - what did the early church fathers (ad70-320) teach about salvation. Calvin went back to Augustine ad400, not the early church fathers.
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"E'en tho He slay me, yet will I praise Him." I know I deserve hells fire and damnation. "But I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day!" My salvation is not contingent on me but on Christ.
Yes that comment is true. The Hebrews passage is out of context and in order to keep one’s salvation we must maintain it is nonsensical and unbiblical period. To maintain is to work and earn. It removes Christ’s all sufficiency which is a pillar of our faith. But just like annihilation theory this is yet another old falsehood that is invading the church.
This is great. Thanks for this.
Concise and yet very clear. Thank you for all you do, Professor Solberg. 👍
Thanks for this sentence "0nce faithing, always saved " I'm gonna use
To people in the comments stating their "stance" on OSAS & trying to compell me to state my "stance" on OSAS...
You can BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely lost.
You can NOT BELIEVE in OSAS & be completely saved.
The Pharisees (in general) thought they were saved & yet rejected their Messiah.
The tax collector (Luke 18:9-14) thought he was unsaved, but it turned out he was saved (unbeknownst to him).
Ultimately it is between you & your Savior whether you are saved or not.
It is not a matter of policies, statements, doctrinal creeds, etc.
Anyone relying on these is standing on shifting sand.
Let this heart matter be between you & your Lord only.
The thoughts of your mind cannot save you.
This was clarifying!!! I have been wrestling with the idea for years of having eternal security without the one and done of “once saved always saved” and this video put words to that concept beautifully!
There is a scripture that says those who went out from us were never a part of us. Those who apostasize were tares who were never born again. Just because someone repeated a prayer one time did not mean they were saved. Many false conversions especially in America where gospel message is so often watered down. When a person is saved they believe in there heart Jesus was raised from dead according to romans. It is saving faith. It is a heart conversion. Those who are saved are born from above are sealed with the Spirit as a deposit become children of God pass from death to life and become a new creation. To "lose" salvation one must lose the Spirit promised by the Father to dwell within us as a promise of our inheritance, go from death to life to death again, go from old creation to brand new creation to old creation again. And be unadopted by God who no longer is your Father and then you stop being his child. None of this makes any senses. A true child of God who falls away for a time the Lord goes after and brings back. My God my Father will never abandon me. Even when I stumble as I grow. I am secure in salvation as I grown in sanctification. Either it is finished our sin past present and future has been paid for or it is yet uncomplete. Jesus said it is finished. Paid in full. I love you Rob. I appreciate so many of your videos but this one I respectfully disagree with you.
I know this much after reading your reply, unless you are saying this because you have been taught that this is the way to becoming a true Christian in your head only, or you are saying this from your heart and that would tell me that freedom in christ is truly free in-Christ and Knows with all-certainty that you will be in Heaven when you die, with absolutely NO-FEAR of going to the place of torment. Why did the KJV Bible have exactly 365 no-fear words mentioned, I think it is Gods reminder of telling the True Christian each day to have no-fear. Have total confidence in me, I WILL see you through.
Excellent presentation. Well balanced, looking at the whole message of Scripture. Thanks for tackling this controversial topic. You know there will be lots of feedback!
Great job covering this very well!
The temporary “belief” that Jesus referred to in Luke 8:13 is a product of the sinful human heart and does *not* result in salvation or the forgiveness of sin. Genuine saving faith is a *free gift of God* which is granted solely to the elect whom Jesus came to save (Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 13:48; 16:14; Rom. 12:3). Salvation does *not* depend upon man’s “free will” decision to muster up saving faith or his continual effort to maintain saving faith. As Scripture declares: “So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy” (Rom. 9:16). Thus, Jesus is not referring to a genuine believer who “loses his salvation” in this parable. He’s referring to the same type of “faith” that Judas professed (a human work of his own sinful nature), that *never* resulted in his genuine reliance upon Christ for salvation. Scripture makes this clear: “For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him” (John 6:64). While Judas professed to believe in Christ, and everyone who knew him considered him to be a believer, Jesus Himself said that all along he was “a devil” (John 6:70) and the “son of perdition” (John 17:12). If Judas would have been granted genuine saving faith by God, then he would have received eternal life, remained faithful, and never perished (John 10:25-30), along with the rest of Jesus’ disciples.
Amen
Yes, I believe he missed the mark on this one. Above all, we need to remember the sovereignty of God in saving and keeping. We don’t “do” anything to receive life in Christ and we don’t “do” anything to keep it. He saves and preserves His people.
I am very thankful for this Rob. I understand that a lot of people will be upset by this video. But my encouragement would be to search out the scriptures for yourselves. In my opinion, OSAS as a doctrine has never harmonized with the Bible. However, I don't believe you can lose your salvation. But I do believe you can reject your salvation.
double-minded much?
@salpezzino7803 That's a bold claim without any thoughtful explanation. Could you elaborate more please?
The bible is very balanced on this issue. I wish we could be more to. I think this was a more balanced view.
Excellent. Very clarifying.
I agree with this. Well done.
May God have mercy on you.
The key here is: Was the dude who walked away and stayed away really saved in the first place?
This is the typical response for the OSAS position on apostacy. But to me it seems very lackluster in the reality of the Biblical understanding.
@@lovewithtruthministries5565In this discussion, I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
In context, the discussion is regarding antichrists (false teachers). The principle applies, though, to anyone who departs from the faith. Anyone who departs from the faith is proclaiming a message that is not true, and is, in fact, opposed to Christ (the essence of the term antichrist).
To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.”
OSAS unless not saved in first place Is the only way to reconcile the apparent contradictions in scripture about eternal security...
As someone who was first a false convert (to please a friend) before becoming saved for real in later life, I agree that I didn't lose what I never had.
Well, I can respond to that by saying, if I divorce my wife was I ever really married to her.
@@CharlesWeber-vm6bf Problem with that is ,your talking on a fallible'worldly' human level ,thinking GOD thinks,acts the same .When really, salvation is of GOD,from.GOD on a level far beyond ours,a realm far beyond our knowledge. Adding human interpretation as an analogy to GODS ways is Futile,and wrong Charles..IE;
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. Isaiah 55;8...Lets stick to what our infallible GODS word says not add our own fallible analogy to the text.🤗
I'm fully convinced that there are people who despise the concept of eternal security. They work to cause young believers to stumble in their faith and strive to make them believe there is no assurance except in their ability to not sin.
Hebrews 10:14
Look at this way, the way it is. God won't forsake you as far as it depends on Him. However, our volition is still intact. Just as in marriage, a husband (Like Hosea the prophet) may be totally faithful and committed to his wife and will never leave her. However, she (like Gomer) can and often will choose to leave her husband. Falling away and apostasy are real.
The major premise of the doctrine asserts that once you believe, you can't "unbelieve", because it would imply you never truly believed in the first place...
But Jesus died once and for all.
But Salvation is a gift from God,
This Rob is your first video that seems inconsistent sorry.
Probably just my over-analytical thinking.
Sovereign God just speaks things into existence and Christ just told his disciplines to follow Him. I believe the Holy Spirit alters our otherwise carnal nature to enjoy a new birth and it happens once.
Hebrews 6:4
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Salvation is a gift from God. He won’t ever take it away, but we can choose to toss it.
No. God elects, draws and keeps true believers.
You are unable to toss it because the person never had it in the first place, they were christian in name only.
Im not trying to be rude but once saved always saved is not was never saved / or false conversions it starts with they are saved , once saved ! always saved , so speaking anything about not being saved in the first place has no place in this conversation because the first part is they are saved!
Well said!
Hi Rob🖐. Ive been thinking a lot on this recently among other things... I know that in my past I had said that I accepted Jesus/Yahusha into my life as my savior and then I later went my own way. I know now that at that time I really had no understanding of Yahusha, no real biblical knowledge and thus a lack of real conviction. I agree with your message here and this is a reaon why Hebrews 6 is so frightening.
I believe there isn't enough thought given to whether or not a person truly understands what they are professing when they mouth their dedication to Messiah and/or what their baptism really means. The true weight/meaning of it all. Luke 14: 28-30 being the best summation of this. This is why I don't see the point of baptising children (I truly believe Yah has them if they should perish) and i think it is often misleading for people to be called up to the altar to accept Jesus/Yahusha without a pep talk on the ramifications of such a decision as many of these people are just flirting with the faith (speaking from personal experience).
Anyway we know Yah's acceptance and condemnation are both always holy and righteous. No one wants to experience Matthew 7: 22-24. Do you believe that there is a level of understanding (1 Corinthians 3: 2) and conviction that one must reach before being truly held accountable to that pledge? Is there any scripture that you can think of that supports or denies what I'm thinking here? Thanks!🙂🙏
I hear what you're saying, GWR! However, I don't believe that saving faith requires a deep intellectual understanding of theology or the cost. When Jesus speaks of becoming like little children, I believe he's talking about the simplicity of true faith (Matt. 18:3; Mark 10:14; Luke 18:17.) It's not a sophisticated intellectual understanding, it's genuine trust. If our trust and loyalty (faith) in Jesus is genuine, we will do our best to follow Him, whatever the cost. Intellectually, we really just need to understand and believe that we are sinners who can't save ourselves, that God exists, and He sent His Son to pay for our sin and redeem us to the Father. Will there be a cost to following Him? Yes, a steep one! But, in my opinion, sizing up that cost is not a prerequisite to a true saving faith.
Blessings! RLS
The level of understanding you talk about is present in this passage: "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age"... The holy spirit does not dwell on surface scratchers. This cannot be contested since not even Nicodemus, being an old pharisee, was not yet born again at the moment he met with Jesus. Bible does not ever talk about superficial faith as being real faith. I can be wrong about this, but I think baptism is not by water anymore but by a supernatural event, and it happens exactly when you reach real faith (the moment of enlightenment). At least it was so in my case. That's why there are passages saying "Examine yourselves whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" (2 Cor 13:5). People do need to understand this. Remember: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. The presence of the holy spirit WILL push you to read scriptures, abide in His words and give fruits. As much so that people will be able to judge if you have real faith just by looking at the fruits you are giving. That being said, I also believe the book of Hebrews is not for christians, maybe not even for christian backsliders. Anyway, may Yahuah bless you with understanding and eternal life!
Hebrew 6 is a warning meant for hebrews - that means these jewish believers in Christ that had really from the beginning whole true good teachings inclusive the power of the Holy Spirit, hearing the Holy Spirit and were indeed in the true congregation. They knew exactly the true gospel, but it was a fact, that jewish people who was grown up in the Torah have problems with believing grace only by faith, because they had learnt otherwise by the religious Torah rabbis. And in that case where they were persecuted by Jews and the Jews accused them of sinning against God when no keeping the law. So they stood in attemption to believe the lies of the jews and got therefore a bad concious not keeping the law of Moses anymore.
The author of the hebrew letter tried to explain, that in opposit to the lies of the Jews it is sin to go back to judaism, and that it would be as though one would cruzify Jesus once more. And that it is impossible then to go back to Jesus again.
It has to do with the fact that the Jews said that Jesus's blood was unclean. To agree in that is a great sin.
It was indeed the love of God to explain that to the hebrew christians and to keep them from falling in that dark trap of the enemy.
But many people today, when they are invited in "churches" they do not get good bible teachings, very much denomination churches do not accept the Power of the Holy Spirit, do not baptize, do not teach about the gifts of the Spirit, much of them do not have the true gospel, do not have the good word of God and do not know the Jesus that is knowen from the bible, they taught instead their own traditions and their own commandments. Even when they gave their life to Jesus in that congregations they lack knowledge and a good foundation.
So, it is possible that they do not find the true Jesus in this, that they left the church and begin to doubt if this gospel is true and left Jesus. But then, at some point when they feel lost they cry out to Jesus and begin to believe again, because Jesus chased them and search his sheep.
So, never believe Hebrew 6 as a fact for you! Never doubt Jesus's love for you. Instead of trust in the Lord and confess your faith and trust in HIM. He will give you a new start . His grace and mercy is every day new.
Believe that he will teach you now through the bible. Believe the good words for believers and confess them out loud. Say Him that you love him. As long as you breathe not give up your new awakened faith in him. It is from him when your faith is awakened new.
Hold fast on your confession of your faith out loud to Jesus and to everyone. Confess to others what Jesus has done to save us all. Trust in the Lord, even when your heart condemns you. Confess your trust every hour until your heart knows that you trust in the Lord. Ignore your circumstances, keep on confessing your trust in the Lord. Write down the good words that encourages you and read them out loud. Read books of Kenneth Hagin.
God is a loving God. Believe in that Love of God. Even when you fall away from Jesus and at some point of your life do not believed in Jesus anymore because of difficult situations and you began to draw believing people away from believing Jesus, when you feel the longing to go back to Jesus, you begin to believe agan, know that The Holy Spirit has put this longing into you woeing you back to Him. Believe it and confess it and never again let it go. Salvation is not depending on your works. Repent. He will forgive you anything.
Peter has withdraw from Jesus. Paul has made mistakes, too. Salvation is a gift from God, a present.
@@biblischerMinnegesang888 There is neither jew nor gentile in Christ.
@@heather602True, however the point was made that Hebrews was written to first-century Hebrews, the original audience, and should first be understood in that context. We are free to read it too, and apply it to our lives as applicable.
More confusion. No One Chooses Hell. We are ALL going to Hell. And No One chooses Heaven. C S Lewls's comment is unbiblical. .You said once we believe we can choose not to Believe? So God changes those who are His, hearts of stone to flesh., gives them the faith to believe.and the Indwelling of God . And you believe and teach that man is more powerful than God by choosing to remove All of God's work??? In Colossians Paul was speaking to the Church, as today not everyone is Saved, Remember there were seducers amongst them and Judaizers. Stick with what Jesus said, You quoted Him. There are so many Holes in your theology. I understand why those in Torahism flock to reproof you.
I think you're the one who confused.
Scripture does talk about falling from the faith and Dr Solberg explained it very well.
You must be a Torahism believer.
@@krisztianpatay9812 Falling from the faith is not losing Your Salvation. You must have saved yourself. Again, not all in a Church are saved. Read the parable of the soils. John 6: 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. -- This covers 2 of Rob's errors. We choose hell and we can choose to lose our Salvation. You must be a Muslim
Muslim???, No ! And you ?
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
@@krisztianpatay9812fallen away how? How does one fall away? Let me show you:
Galatians 5:1-6 says,
“Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.”
So the very people who are afraid of falling away & begin to trust in their works to keep them saved are ironically & sadly the ones who have fallen away.
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz I didn't catch your conclusion.
Where does Galatians talk about people who are afraid of falling from grace ???
So you can't work to be saved but you have to work to stay saved? Got it, that's humanly impossible
I fully agree there, it’s sounds a bit off, we are saved by faith but then we need to do this and that to keep it?
It’s a little worrying to say the least, especially considering the verses that make it clear we saved by grace through faith, believe on the lord Jesus Christ, that Jesus will lose no one etc
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*Read Matthew 7 where Jesus says He will tell many that He knows them not at the Gate because they did not **_DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER._** He also said ''if you love me, keep my commandments."*
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@@colonelbeanbagsfishing1488 those who endure unto the end the same shall be saved.
What is a college degree if you don't work based on that, thereby you have rejected that degree and the years that you spent in to achieve it by doing other work not based on the degree you got, the salvation also is similar to that this is by faith in him who did the work to give us Salvation and is faithful to justify us and save us in himself through himself and by himself, God achieved this by his Son Jesus Christ, he achieved this for us, so in order to get saved we from our side have to keep that faith which God gave us till our end thats the point in salvation, remember even Faith is not ours it's a Gift of God so we may not boast of our work of having Faith in him by ourselves without him giving it in the first place and also who keeps strengthening it till our end.
@@residuejunkie4321 yes but there’s also the verse that says that the will of the father is to believe on his son Jesus Christ, just thought I’d say that.
Really liked this video and thought you did a great job of pointing out those scriptures that seem to contradict each other. The best way I've seen it articulated from OWG is that we were saved from sin during Jesus' 1st coming allowing us to walk transformed allowing us to be ready for His 2nd coming! Refreshing to run into a brother with a burden to wall in a manner worthy until The King returns!!!
Titus 2:14 NASB95
who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
1 John 3:7-10 NASB95
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; [8] the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. [9] No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10] By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Hebrews 9:28 NASB95
so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
The 1st salvation was from bondage of sin. Totally unearned (grace). 2nd salvation will require endurance.
I think you got it correct today. Salvation is free but once you get it for free you become part of God's covenant where you supposed to practice the love of God and love of your neighbors.
If I don't practice the love of God was I then saved? Or are you saying if I don't I then lose my salvation? So what do you mean supposed?
I see where you going with this, but you need to consider this more. Perhaps all your focus on debunking Torahism has influenced your evolution. It’s not mainstream, so I would be careful not to stray too far into this line of thinking. I am a strong proponent that if one is truly born again, they will never fall away into being unborn again.
Well Jesus does agree with you a few times
I agree there's always going to be people who have "head knowledge" of Jesus, but not "heart knowledge." The head knowledge people can put on a pretty good show in public, but hoo wee better not look into the private!
no i was absolutely born again and filled with the Spirit and then got involved in a church that had a strong calvin bias, couldnt lose your salvation etc, it led me into sin...
For me when im close to the Lord im fine with the carrot, when im distant and sin is calling loudly i find i need the stick...
and scripture clearly teaches you can lose it, what about John 16:6 & even Romans 8:12 & James 1:15 below..
John 15:6 If you do not remain IN me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
v10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.
Rom 8:12-14 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 FOR IF YOU LIVE ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE, YOU WILL DIE; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; AND SIN, WHEN IT IS FULL-GROWN, GIVES BIRTH TO DEATH.
And this is what the early church fathers taught (ad70-320 ish), Calvin went back to Augustine ad400, not the early church fathers whose letters we have...
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John 3:16 - Is it "shall not perish" or "should not perish"?
Amen,
@TheBiblicalRoots
Recommend creating a follow up to this. I hear what you are saying about relationship with the Lord. However, it seems everyone has a list of things that must be done.
For example, SDA will say all true believers will want to keep Sabbath, and if you don’t and repeatedly ignore the Holy Spirit’s calling you to keep… you have chosen to leave your faith.
What “sins” repeatedly done lose your salvation? And how?
Do you think that time with the Lord builds a stronger relationship?
@@michaelbrutsche75 Yes.
After posting the above watched a video on Ryan Reeves channel. He has one on Luther’s and Calvin’s views on Justification and Sanctification. One thing he (Reeves) points out about Luther’s concern how easy sanctification can be misunderstood or tuned into a merits based perception that says it maintains one’s justification…. Instead of the natural result of being justified.
Being raised in a system that emphasizes this principle in subtle ways - sets one up to hearing those ideas over and over - even when not intended by the speaker.
Made me feel better that this confusion has been around a long time.
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Do you think it’s possible to remain justified when the natural result of it doesn’t continue?
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I believe that is an unhelpful question - as the focus is turned on human nature. I believe what Paul is illustrating is that we are solely saved by Christ and the historical fact of what he did for us. Our works, good deeds and etc are not merits for earning salvation- less we boast and admire our accomplishments.
The tension and easily misunderstood aspects- is we are given instructions or commandments on how to follow God.
But we are never to confuse our works as meriting us salvation.
When we look at each other or ourselves and we begin to measure our change then I think we can easily begin to have pride grab us.
The challenge is to experience a changed life at whatever pace it happens to each of us … to have our hearts and minds renewed- yet we praise the Lord for it.
Trying to measure yourself.. I believe that can create a warped view - if we are not careful. Love for each other is the main factor and that is looking outside of ourselves…. Not inwardly.
My attempt is practical not theoretical. Somehow, the internal perspective- I fear - opens us up to discouragement or pride. So thinking practically we must focus on Christ and others.
Can we not agree that simply put "if you love me you will keep my instructions", and "I am the vine and my father the vinedresser" and again "the wise man built his house on the rocks" and again "not all who say to me Lord Lord will enter into heaven but only those who do the will of my Father" are rather clear statements that seem to emphasize obedience. However, the New Testament makes clear that it's faith God seeks, like with Abraham. But faith, I think, is the driving principle of "obedience", it's the energizing "life-breath" of obedience like what oxygen is to our bodies.
In other words, if we truly have faith surely we will live a life accordingly to that sincere and earnest belief. However, I don't know if we are to go so far as to say obedience doesn't matter. I do think James warns of a pure "head-knowledge" faith, where one believes in the mind but doesn't ever act on it. He compares that man to demons who also have faith that God exists but it doesn't do them any good. Paul also talks about the men who twist God's grace into license to sin, he says they *will* be condemned.
This is rightly dividing the Word of Truth. 👌Amen
How would you factor in the concept of being born again? Can one be born again and then die again? Or 2 Cor 5:17, if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone the new has come. Can that be reversed?
Watch the video, bro !
He has explained your objection plainly and clearly.
No it cannot. To teach so, you would be saying that we have the Power to undo what God has done.
@@krisztianpatay9812 do you spend any time in the Holy Bible?
@@salpezzino7803
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
@@salpezzino7803 No one is claiming that we have the power to undo what God has done but you.
Another straw man argument!
Is that all you can do ?!
Amen brother!
Thank you Rob so much for this much needed teaching!
Thank you for the clarification! Well stated.
If once saved always saved was true ... Wouldnt Lucifer still be in Heaven?
There's no sin heaven, so why would the angels need salvation?
Wow, He wasn't a Human.
@@kimartist .... Im pretty sure that it was sin that caused Lucifer and his cohorts to be kicked out of Heaven ...
@@lefthandedleprechaun8702 They got kicked out for sin, but they didn't "lose their salvation." Do you even follow your own premise?
So true. Great analogy.
Bro it’s ONCED SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.
Stop milking the gospel and mixing the old wine with the new.
Romans 11:6 is clear. Learn how to seperate salvation with what we should do here on earth.
We are saved regardless and it’s not based on not one drop of works to be saved or to stay saved at all. It’s about Jesus alone.
Now let’s love one another cuz I mean look what hate does to people. It’s simple.
How Many Times Must You Or Can You Be Born Again?
That's a silly question.
Did you watch the video?
@@krisztianpatay9812 It's Alright If You Don't Know The Answer...
This teaching suggests that Jesus must go up and down on the Cross every time we UnBorn ourselves.
@@kylemanningjcic1333
Hebrews 6:4
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
You fall away once 🤫.
It's OK if you can't comprehend it.
@@salpezzino7803 No, it doesn't!
You're making a straw man argument. You must be a Sabbath keeper.
Excellent understanding 👏
22. and the righteousness of God [is] through the faith of Jesus Christ to all, and upon all those BELIEVING, -- for there is no difference,
(Romans, 3)
God declares the one that is in a present state of BELIEVING as righteous. 🙌
God bless!
God gives us free will. He doesn't take away our free will after Jesus saves us. Goodfight ministries has also done some sound teachings on this issue.
Where is free will in the bible?
@@Samy-sx6knAll men everywhere are commanded to repent and believe on the name of Jesus.
@@heather602
That’s not free will
@@Samy-sx6kn Why would Jesus command it?
@@Samy-sx6kn'Freewill' appears 23 times in the ESV, such as Exodus 35:29, Leviticus 23:38, Numbers 29:39, and Deuteronomy 16:10, in the context of freewill offerings. 'Will of man' appears in John 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:21. 'Human will' appears in Romans 9:16. All ESV.
Very well articulated
I prefer "not saved, never saved" as a better synopsis of perseverance. As John says "they went out from us because they were not of us".
I always thought that this referred to those who believed in a different doctrine about who Jesus was. They "went out" because of who Jesus is. Which was a different teaching. The Gnostics. They said He didn't come in the flesh. Meaning Christ didn't have a real body.
So if heard correctly as long as one has faith that’s they do whatever they want? For example a same sex couple can remain in that relationship as long as they have faith because they cannot out sin the grace of God? Minute 10:23 “We can’t out sin the grace of God”
Hello, Emmanuel! It's hard for me to tell from such a short comment, but are you asking that question honestly? Is it your belief, after watching this video, that's what I was teaching? (I hope not!)
To answer your question, if we knowingly and openly persist in sin, our faith is truly not in Jesus, no matter what our lips say. However, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).
Blessings RLS
It’s just the question what’s the origin of true saving faith? God or men?. And is keep the faith and be faithful your merit or gods grace?
Matthew 13:20 The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he remains for only a season. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away
Exactly. This is like the people who jump on the bandwagon of the latest greatest evangelistic crusader, or the latest "wave of God," or "charismatic renewal," or whatever exciting thing it is & then immediately fall by the wayside as soon as it starts to get "old" or "boring" or some other more pressing concerns come along in their lives.
This is one of the scriptures that casts down OSAS.
@@heather602 no it doesnt
'But since he has no root' - never saved
@@salpezzino7803 "He remains for a season, but falls away." Unbelievers can't fall away from anything.
A false convert is different from someone who apostosizes.
@@heather602 doesn't help you. HAS NO ROOT - what do you think that means? Too Funny. No different than today. What the heck. The Word is Folly to those who are DEAD
Love your channel
Thanks, Travis!
Blessings, RLS
Thanks for your video, professor Rob! You brought out a good balance for the doctrine of OSAS while maintaining that we are saved by God's grace through faith alone in Christ alone and without diminishing our freewill to commit apostasy by turning away from the living God!
But can you give me more clarity that we can't out sin the grace of God? It just seems that we can sin like the devil and still make heaven our home but Jude 4 warns against turning God's grace into immorality by living immoral lifestyles. And, did the apostle Paul warn us that the immoral or wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of God?
I'm just hoping you can clear that up for me.
Blessings to you and your ministry, brother!
Hi, Paul! You bring up a great point. The phrase "we can't out-sin God's grace" is a little vague. What I'm referring to there is the fact that Jesus' sacrifice covers every single sin, past, present, and future. Our sin is finite, His grace is infinite. And so for those who are "in Christ," we can never out-sin His grace. Our salvation is secure even if we mess up and fall short.
At the same time, habitually living in a lifestyle of sin, as Paul describes in Galatians 5:19-21, is evidence that we are not in Christ and, therefore, we will not inherit the Kingdom unless we repent. I believe the NT mentions those kinds of sins because if we profess to believe in Jesus and yet those things are regular part of our lives, we need to check ourselves.
If someone truly loves Jesus and finds themselves caught up in those kinds of sins and they come across this passage in the Bible, their conscience will be provoked and their ultimate response will be to repent and turn back to Him; to give their believing loyalty to Jesus rather than those sinful things. However, if they read this list and their rebellious heart says "Don't tell me what to do," or "My sins aren't really wrong," they have made their loyalty known.
Blessings! RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Amen brother Rob, great words of wisdom you shared with me, and thanks for your clarification!
Blessings to you brother!
The entirety of the book of hebrews explains this very well.
If once you have tasted salvation and the power of the holy spirit, and then return willingly and maliciously back to a sinful nature wothout repentance then there no longer exists forgiveness for you, just as Esau gave up his birthright for a bowl of soup even knowing the birthright was his as well as it's importance. Even with tears he could not get it back.
Hebrews also shows that as an example.
@RachelWeeping do you mean you don't know the story of jacob and esau?
How Jacob gave a better sacrifice in those days because he gave his with faith while esau relied on his being valuable and put no faith or love in it just as the pharisees did which he also hated?
Or was it because esau sold his birthright for a bowl of stew?
Or because it wasn't until.after esau snubbed gods promised birthright that should.have gone to him, that he had regret?
I appreciate the depth of scriptural analysis. We cannot "lose" our salvation when we live by faith, but should we intentionally separate ourselves (apistis) we disconnect from the source of our eternal life with God.
Excellent explanation. God bless!!
Jesus discussed the concept of being "born again" during his conversation with Nicodemus, a Pharisee, in the Gospel of John, chapter 3. The key verses are John 3:3-7:
"Jesus replied, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.'
'How can someone be born when they are old?' Nicodemus asked. 'Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!'
Jesus answered, 'Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’"
What Did Jesus Mean by "Born Again"?
Spiritual Rebirth: Jesus explained that being "born again" is a spiritual transformation rather than a physical one. It involves a renewal and rebirth through the Holy Spirit.
Water and Spirit: The mention of being born of "water and the Spirit" is often interpreted to refer to baptism and the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Water symbolizes cleansing and repentance, while the Spirit signifies new life and regeneration.
New Identity in Christ: Being "born again" signifies a fundamental change in identity, moving from a life governed by sin to a new life led by the Spirit. This transformation involves repentance from sin, faith in Jesus Christ, and living according to His teachings.
Entering the Kingdom of God: Jesus emphasized that this spiritual rebirth is necessary to "see" or "enter" the kingdom of God, implying that it is essential for salvation and a relationship with God.
Implications for Believers
Repentance and Faith: The concept of being born again highlights the necessity of repenting from sin and placing faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
Baptism: Many Christian traditions see baptism as an outward sign of this inward transformation and rebirth.
Transformation: Believers are called to live transformed lives, reflecting their new identity in Christ through their actions and character.
The dialogue between Jesus and Nicodemus illustrates that this new birth is a profound and mysterious work of the Holy Spirit, fundamentally changing a person's heart and life orientation.
water is not baptism. Birthing water. Born of flesh and then born of spirit - Born Again. Where did you copy that from? Jesus has No Concepts
I don’t know why this is still even a debate. Yes true born again Christians have eternal salvation. But the ones who fall from the faith were NEVER Christians to begin with. If people could simply understand that the majority have fraud faith would make it very clear why many return or stay in willful sin. It’s because they are not working with the Holy Spirit power to overcome sin. They have not crucified their flesh.
It’s easy to understand. We are saved from absolutely no works for salvation. But AFTER salvation will bring obedience from their love and gratitude for God. They love God more than their sin, and one forgiven will find it nauseating to go back to what separated them from God to begin with.
Many don’t even understand God’s grace and that makes it very dangerous. God’s grace for the willful sinner is only his patience for them to repent and be born again. And God‘s grace for the true convert sanctifies them into holy living.
You will know them from their fruit on who is frustrating the grace of God. They will be the ones that defend their sin more than holiness. They will be the ones that Jesus says depart for me workers of iniquity.
..no, I know I was born again and yet I wanted to go off and live my own life because it appeared to be easier...
and yet i had experienced the fullness of the Holy Spirit, an amazing supernatural joy that lifted me out of a suicidal depression...
...when i lost my awareness of his presence after a couple of months due to a certain sin and then getting involved with a wacky church that confused me about how to live it...
I wanted to go off and live with my boyfriend, did not want to bother with marriage and all that committment.. wanted to live my own life...
God did send me warnings...
But living it was not automatic... i still had to choose...
in galations 5 it says that the flesh wars against the Spirit, it is still a battle..
the church where i got confused taught, once saved always saved and it led me into sin... scripture clearly doesnt teach that, look at the parable of the sower for example....
the early church fathers (ad70-320) didnt teach that, Calvins theology went back to Augustine ad400 which had gnostic leanings...
Here is david bercot on what did the early christian fathers teach about salvation. His book will the theologians please sit down is very good as well...
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If you can prove that God takes away your freewill then you have a point, God will not force you into heaven if you reject that salvation ,
None Seek Out God No Not One. We all going to Hell, unless God gives us the Faith to Believe. -- Not of our own doing so no Man can boast. So our free will sends us to Hell, I thank God He chose me first, because I would have never soosen Him
@@salpezzino7803 John 3:16 , calvinist are so funny, their arrogance is astounding, what makes you so special, Jesus died for the world not just for you,
In this discussion, I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”..
To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.”
I truly believe GODS word is telling us ; OSAS unless not saved in the first place . It's the only way to reconcile the various scripture on the subject of Salvation..
@@Mikhael1964 do your really think this is the only scenario there is there can be others?
@@salpezzino7803 Non-Christians seek God look at every religion in the world is a seeking for a God just the wrong one, there is a longing for every human to have something greater than themselves
I am totally Blown Away that you came to this Conclusion !
You analyzed the word of God, and Miraculously came away with the Correct Answer on the topic of "Once Saved Always Saved".
Seventh Day Adventists also came to this Conclusion. So Great Job!
SDA's have no hope in salvation. You must do many works and attain perfection to stand blameless in the day of "divine judgment".
Rob is not teaching this whatsoever.
@@lovewithtruthministries5565
Thank you for your Judgement of us. Nevertheless you just passed that same damnation upon yourself !! And if you say that this is not so, then you just contradicted God.
So REMEMBER the scripture below as you prepare for the Sabbath at sunset!
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
@@lovewithtruthministries5565 Amen
@@Vincent-gc3cu The law of Moses says prepare before sunset. Rob, seems to aline himself with the SDA cult.
@@Vincent-gc3cu You just judged. BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Can you have faith lose it and then regain it and be saved? Is the waxing and waning concept applicable to those valleys or at what point does it become "impossible" for someone to return to faith and be saved?
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Do not ask Bible questions to the Biblically illiterate.
No saved person can ever lose their salvation, Period!
The simple answer to your questions is; Once Saved Always Saved,unless not saved in the first place..Eg; John 2:19 ; “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
To paraphrase 1 John 2:19: “If anyone departs from the faith, they are demonstrating that they were never truly in the faith, for if they have been of the faith, they would not have departed. The fact that they have departed from the faith explicitly demonstrates that they were never a part of the faith.”..
@@Mikhael1964 ,...You have spoken correctly!
My salvation and my keeping faith is based on god not on me. So I will not walk away until he leaves me.
Perseverance of the saints and not „once saved always saved „.
A person who’s leaving faith shows said he was not on solid ground, so he was not really saved.
Thanks for how clearly you explain this..
Good teaching 👍🏻👍🏻
Spot on. Nice job.
Well said salvation is God giving us a new life and saving us from the old one only those that walk in the new life will have final salvation Romans 8:12 -14 therefore brothers and sisters we are debtors not to the flesh to live after the flesh for if you live after the flesh you shall die but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you shall live for as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God
Galations 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Galations 6:7-8 be not deceived God will not be mocked the one that sows to the flesh will reap corruption but the one that sows to the spirit from the spirit will reap everlasting life
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I think this is exactly right.
Answer = nope
Great job on this video, this is a very spicy topic. Let the believer ask themselves when reading scripture "saved from what"? And follow Him daily!
[2Ti 1:12 NIV] That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.
God gives those who are His a Heart of Flesh and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So, by his claim, a person must kick out God and then turn his God given Heart of Flesh back into stone. Sorry, not happening
The believing ones are saved
Our salvation is the work of Jesus Christ but we must do something to obtain that salvation such as BELIEVE among other things. Once we have that salvation we must walk circumspectly and obediently in His word.
I’ve been around for a while. I’ve tried both ways. I am always brought back to saved by grace through faith, that not of myself, it is the gift of God. Let’s call this way of living plan A. The other way to live is to think that I must maintain good works in order to keep salvation. Let’s call this plan B.
Here’s what happens under plan A: I have full confidence in Jesus, I have peace with God, everything I do for others is done with a pure heart & not by selfish ambition because I’m not trying to keep myself saved, God already gave that to me as a free gift. I worship God because He is faithful, He is merciful, He is forgiving, He is long suffering & He is my salvation. I share this good news with others, that God saved me & gave me eternal life through His Son as a free gift. There’s no condemnation because I am in Christ Jesus. There’s no burden on me because my salvation is up to Jesus.
Plan B: I’m in constant state of doubting God’s love, doubting His mercy, doubting His grace, doubting the sufficiency of Christ’s blood, doubting my salvation since it’s all up to me now. Because of this everything I do is done in selfish ambition thinking my salvation depends on my works. Then I start judging others who are not maintaining good works & for a moment become very arrogant. But that arrogance is shot down when I mess up & sin & I begin thinking I will not be able to keep this up much longer. I get frustrated with myself, resentful towards God, envious of others who have more good works, then figure I’ve messed up too much to be saved so what’s the point in continuing if I’m going to hell now anyway? And this is rock bottom. Which then forces me to go back to plan A.
The key to keeping eternal life is to keep staying on plan A & even if you go off to plan B, God will bring you back to plan A, but it’s best to just always stay on plan A. Jesus told us how to work the works of God: by believing on the one whom He sent. “You who began in the Spirit, are you now being perfected through the law?”
I saw this quote once: “Eternal security doesn’t give you a license to sin. Losing your salvation gives you a license to sin.”
that would be self works. Jesus did all the work for me
@@salpezzino7803 my comment was deleted? 😔
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz I see your comment. Jesus Christ always requires obedience. Can you be saved in disobedience?
@@lorriewhite7886 obedience to the gospel. Obedience to the truth. Obedience to the faith. There’s only 2 commands: believe on Jesus & love one another. Obeying the Spirit is simply agreeing with God no matter what. You keep believing the truth no matter what. You have to remember the old you is dead, crucified with Christ. It’s no longer you living but Christ living in you. The life you live you live by the faith of Christ. You have the mind of Christ. The Spirit of Christ. The peace of Christ. You ceased from your works when you believed on Jesus. Now you rest in Christ. This is how God works in you. The only thing that counts is a new creation. You became a new creation when you heard the gospel & believed on Jesus. God put His Spirit in you & you were made alive in Christ (raised from the dead). You are so joined to Christ & 1 with Christ that God looks at you & He sees Christ. One scripture says “we are hidden in God with Christ” so just like Jesus said, He is in the father, the father is in Him, He is in you, the father is in you, we are all 1 in Christ. There is no more fear, no more condemnation, no more death, no more burden. All that has been lifted when you put your trust in Jesus. Since you are in Christ you have His righteousness, His Spirit, His life, His joy, His peace, His faith, His blessings, His inheritance. All things that belong to Jesus now belong to you. Everything rests on God’s promise. God will keep His promise. You simply trust Him to & that’s all He wants is your trust, your confidence to be in Him. If it’s not true of Jesus then it’s not true of you either.
What you are actually describing is the eternal security doctrine is it not? I know some people describe it as once saved always saved. But what i think you are describing is that if you have true saving faith, you will be kept and we are supposed to make sure of our election. Thats what the doctrine of eternal security is to my knowledge. Thats what the "once saved always saved" belief is supposed to be. People have distorted the belief in eternal security. The parable of the sower is representative of those who have not come to saving faith. But thats why we are supposed to make sure of our election. Pressing towards the end. If one is truly saved, they didnt save themselves and they will not be able to keep themselves. Only God. So this points to his sovereignty over salvation. Not challenging one bit. I love this disgussion. What i got from this was reinforcement in my belief for eternal security. Truly trusting God in Christ to keep us til the end❤
What a great teaching again! Simply explained, scripture based and well articulated as always, Dr Solberg!!!
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I genuinely want to know the pushback people have to what was said in this video
Im open for correction
The way I see it there’s the openness and understanding of Jesus Christ being our lord and savior , and then the willingness to do his will, or to be transformed. From what I can see while accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior is a glorious praise worthy moment. You aren’t instantly transformed into a new being. (Or at least you aren’t perfected)
So for one to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. It seems natural to conclude they want to do bare their cross and do the will the of the father. And knowing that our works will never live up to God standards. Jesus stands in the gaps for us
But isn’t it understood that he wants us to sin no more and be transformed? Doesn’t that at least on our part require us to want to kill our flesh or have our minds renewed. Don’t we have an active participation in that process?
I’m sure by the end of our fight Jesus will make all whole again but I question once genuine desire to be with the lord if they don’t want to change their current state
But again I’m open for correction
This teaching makes salvation seem less and less like a free gift and more like one with strings attached. Is there a scale mentioned in the Bible outlining how many filthy rags (works) I must do or show to keep my free gift of salvation. This teaching seems different than a person being saved to the utmost. If someone says they don't believe the gospel any longer, they never did. If saved, always saved! You don't just kick the Holy Ghost to the curb. We are sealed by him until our redemtion. God bless!
Would you debate Dr. James White?
Of course God is always faithful and merciful, that’s not the problem, the problem is when people keep saying we are human, we will always make mistakes. Jesus came here to show us how to be successful through him by following his example of love, love conquers all, and allows Gods law to replace our heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Jesus loves the Father so much that not one temptation of sin could penetrate him. Ask yourself, do you really love God? If so, he says keep my commandments in your heart as I have kept my Father’s Commandments in my heart. This is how you fulfill the law, through love, the law in itself cannot save you, it’s by letting the law become your nature that saves you, for now you are back in the image of God. God’s greatest work is transforming people back into His image, like many in life and in scripture.