No, it is not true that "the only dated records we have of His meeting corporately are on Sunday." John 21:10-14. "Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fish...This is now the third time that Jesus showed Himself to the disciples." If Jesus appearing to His disciples on the first day makes the day the Lord's day, why doesn't showing Himself to them on a working day, make that the Lord's day just as much? The truth is that there is no record of His appearing on any day made that the Lod's day.
Show the DATE in John 21, Geoff. DATED corporate gatherings. There is no DATED corporate gathering in John 21. Anytime it’s DATED-it’s the FIRST day. And that proves my point. The apostles saw need to DATE those instances and NOT the others. And it just so happens that EVERY TIME, worship happens at these first-day, dated gatherings. You ironically proved my point. In John 21 they’re working, and they don’t document worshipping Jesus. Yet in all of their first day dated cases it’s about someone worshiping and not working.
@@answeringadventism The first day text you are referencing is Acts 20:7? That text does not define that they came together to worship, it specifically states "the disciples came together to break bread". I would not use that as an argument to prove that they were worshiping on the first day. Preaching on a specific day does not denote observance, by preaching they were just following the great commission. I would argue that Acts 13:13-15 is more worthy of a "church service", as we can see it compares with something similar in Luke 4:15-17. The reason I would argue that this (Acts 13:13-15) is more of a church service is because in Bible times their church service consisted of them reading from the law and the prophets (Luke 4:15-17).
@mmorgan95 No, I didn't reference Acts 20:7. Where is Jesus corporately gathering with the Body in Acts 20:7? Do some of you even bother to read? You didn't disprove literally anything in focus. All of the dated cases of Jesus corporately gathering with the Body POST resurrection, are on the first day. Luke 4 isn't before the resurrection, dude. Acts 13 and Acts 20 are AFTER the ascension and Jesus is not physically there present with them. All of the DATED corporate gatherings in the New Testament, where Jesus is present and worshiped, between the resurrection and the ascension, are on the FIRST DAY. And like Geoff showed in John 21, Jesus meets with the disciples and they are working. They aren't worshiping. So the apostles saw the need to DATE only the cases of Jesus gathering with them where worship took place. And it's ALWAYS the first day. You can't show us a single DATED case of Jesus being corporately worshiped by the Body on the seventh day post resurrection. Because that's not when Christians corporately gathered for worship. READ Michael, READ. Stop viscerally commenting and just rambling. This isn't even the primary reason for first day corporate worship. This is one of a mountain of biblical reasons. This is a clip from a 6 hour, 2 part presentation.
@@answeringadventism You say "All" like there is is some mountain of evidence for the disciples gathering on the first day, but there's only ONE reference and that is John 20:19. And it clearly states that they were gathered for fear of the Jews, not to worship. There is no text in the NT that links worship with the first day. Also, I understand that there is no mention of Sabbath worship between the resurrection and the ascension. However AFTER the ascension we find the disciples worshiping on the Seventh day in Acts 13:13-15. And the reason why I know it's worship is because it's similar to how Jesus worshipped at the synagogue in Luke 4:15-17. So once again, show me a DATED gathering on Sunday, between the resurrection and ascension, where the text says the disciples were gathered for worship. Because the only one is John 20:19 and it clearly says they were gathered for fear of the Jews.
SDA professor Samuele Bacchiocchi spent many years researching the Sabbath. Even with access to the restricted vaults of the Vatican library, he never found any evidence that the Waldenses observed the Sabbath: "I spent several hours searching for an answer in the two scholarly volumes Storia dei Valdesi--(History of the Waldenses), authored by Amedeo Molnar and Augusto Hugon. These two books were published in 1974 by the Claudiana, which is the official Italian Waldensian publishing house. They are regarded as the most comprehensive history of the Waldenses. To my regret I found no allusion whatsoever to Sabbathkeeping among the Waldenses."3
Batchelor can rise to the challenge when it comes to finding things that are not in the Bible...in the Bible. In one of his videos, he uses Mark 2:17 to show unfallen beings exist on other worlds. His reasoning was something like that if Jesus came to earth for the "sick," then there must be "healthy" worlds, too. Talk about a snake-oil salesman.
A quick Google search reveals that while there is evidence of mines on Patmos, none of them were coal mines. However, this sort of extrabiblical addition by Ellen White and others is what first tipped me off that something was wrong with Adventism. To its tremendous credit, Adventism taught me to rely on the Bible over human tradition for my beliefs, and it was that very standard that ultimately led me out.
Love the conclusion stressing the disciples of John and other early church fathers were ‘wrong’ about claiming early Christians worshipped on Sunday but anti trinitarians thousands of years later were ‘right’ in their claims.
I was a 4th generation SDA. My parents had their names removed from church membership as they believed the church was too worldly, and not following EGW. My Dad was so close, yet so far, from the truth. I remember him warning attendees of his home church group that The Lord's Day in Revelation may actually be Sunday, so to avoid using it in their Sabbath arguments. He believed Jesus wasn't necessarily "sleeping" while his body was in the tomb. But he just couldn't even question EGW. He'd go to any lengths to make it work. I'm not sure he was saved, at that time, honestly. He absolutely didn't have confidence or faith in Jesus. Thankfully, he found Jesus in the last year of his life. Or Jesus found him. He had cancer, and the meds made affected him to the point he couldn't articulate it, but you could see the difference. I'm sad he never got to fully live that life here, but, he has eternity with Jesus now. The idea that John worked in the coal mines evey day but Saturday is a new one to me. I thought he was too old possibly? I think I read that somewhere, not from an SDA source. Now im curious.
@@answeringadventism All your reasoning can not explain away God's word that says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God." As you are talking, you have this smirking and condescending manner going on, have at it, all I know that the word of God is the only thing in our world we can rely on. Whatever contradicts that word we may be sure proceeds from Satan. On this very issue is fast approaching the final crisis. Have seen J.D. Vance's friends, eminent Christian Nationalists, on TH-cam saying "We won't be able to accommodate Jews and Seventh-day Adventists," shows they have persecution in mind. Liberty of conscience will no longer be respected. Sounds like you are preparing to receive the Mark of the Beast, but it's not for me to judge, I hope when the Holy Spirit comes own with great power and lightens the earth with its glory (Rev 18:1), you will see the truth and be among those hurried out of the fallen churches before the fall of the seven last plagues.
Wrong. Matthew 28:1 is not an endorsement of Sunday worship. What you need is an announcement from Christ BEFORE SEALING THE COVENANT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD. Sunday is not part of the New Covenant.
@@danielcristancho3738 The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
Christians worship 24/7 -- but One day was sanctified, blessed, made Holy, for church (Lev 23:3) and specifically time with other Christians -- that day is the 7th day Sabbath, the Lord's day.
@@tony1685 Tony...and all I can say is wrong wrong and wrong. Yes Christians worship 24/7 or just one of 7, and all unto the Lord. One day was sanctified and blessed made Holy For Israel (Lev 23:3 and specifically time for other Israel's that day is the 7th day sabbath, the Shabbot. The Lord's day is Sunday or Monday or Tuesday etc etc, since He created every day they all belong to God. But Sunday is the Lord's day Lord's day. And on Sabbath they did so by observing Exodus 16:29 and stayed HOME according to the COMMANDMENT. There FIXED your blasphemous statement, not go and SIN NO MORE SINNER. Rev. Warns of adding and taking away from the Bible. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
I'd watch most of Millennium of Prophecy video series years ago and you have wait a looooong time before he mentions he's with SDA. And you really don't hear him preaching the Gospel.
It just amazes me how twisting, upside down the Adventist use Scripture. It actually is sickening the way they teach the Scriptures, which in reality they do not, instead they pull things from what their prophet wrote and everything else is out of thin air.
@@deborahthreefourfive6824 demonstrate please. and quit hating, it's not healthy. learn to harness your fickle feelings and turn them into something productive, like now -- show us what you are saying please.
Friend please know what you are talking about before you say it. Doug always gives sources. Sometimes he doesn’t but do you expect him to source everything he says? The only thing that’s deceptive is you deceiving yourself into disregarding what he’s saying. Cross check everything you says and you will find everything he’s saying is based on scripture
@nonconformist4802 church goer's but without the power of Christ in them, I know your, power of Christ is absent But comparing ourselves is the current gospel 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Simpler answer, New Living Translation So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
What the insane SDA dont get is, going to church on the Jewish Sabbath isn't keeping the sabbath, in fact most of the Jews when Jesus started his ministry wasn't keeping the law, going to the temple on the sabbath isn't/wasn't keeping the Jewish sabbath, they was suppose to stay and do no work and thats how it was kept holy for God, not going to church...... Further more Rev 1:10 is the day of wrath from Jesus, then John goes on to explain the wrath and why, it has nothing to do with the sabbath that is a day of rest. We are now in the church age, not OT Jewish sabbath ordinances that was given to the Jews and made for the Jews to as a sign that they are his people, thefore the sabbath was made for man and Jesus is Lord of sabbath. That means he can do what ever he wants with sabbath law, even nailing it to the cross so we are longer saved by keeping the sabbath or any other law, the law was made to bring man to Jesus.....
@@job38four10 The 7th day weekly Sabbath was given to humanity at Creation...2,500 years BEFORE the Jews existed! If you follow exegesis you will find the Bible's answer: Revelation 1:10 says the Lord has a day ..but it does not reveal which day. Mark 2:27-28 Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath day ...but this text does not tell us which day is the Sabbath day....go to Luke 23 beginning at verse 50 and read through Luke 24:1. These verses describe the events after the 9th hour on the Preparation Day when He died...and His resurrection early in the first day of the week. Today, we refer to these days as Good Friday and Easter Sunday. With this understood...what day comes after Good Friday and before Easter Sunday?
@@JOHNVALDEZ-e8h Read what what the bible says about keeping the sabbath, maybe some Jews are, but most are not. Going to church or temple is NOT keeping the sabbath, you ignorant SDA just know know what keeping the sabbath is........ More help found here>>> Why Do Christians Gather on a Sunday and Not on a Sabbath/Saturday? # 1
So, a prisoner gets to chose what days he will labor and what days he can rest? Yeah right. Like Peter had a choice on how he would ultimately be put to death.
This man, like one of our elders, preaches that sometimes you need to withold some information to people you are trying to convert because of the negative association with SDA and EGW. Flat out said that sometimes too much at once will scare off people, and that small doses at a time is better for conversion. Where in Scripture does it say the Gospel needs to have parts held back from the person seeking a relationship with Christ? If it is the true Gospel and the truth, then there should be no reason to hide anything. That's how they get their foot into the door. The elder was constantly, constantly talking about converting and having studies with others. How deceptive can you be and treat the Gospel that way? If that doesn't have a sinister undertone I don't know what does.
Ellen White herself had a vision on the subject of withholding their name from their publications of her day as dishonest. Her words were that they were to be proud of their beliefs and movement. My, how times have changed. Nothing new under the sun.
@@Donatello-b4x Jesus didn’t explain everything at once. He revealed the truth gradually. In fact many times He said to his disciples ‘have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.’ We witness as we are guided by the Holy Spirit
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
@donwhitt9899 why do goofy SDAs parrot that verse as if it proves anything about Sabbath observance? Christ was a jew...where else was he supposed to "stand up for to read"?
@@kotchstevens2321, was there a need? I mean, didn't Adam live 960 years? What a better witness than the first man to talk about the reason for a "rest day"? Can you see why Christ uttered the words : "the Sabbath was made for man"? Please, let that sink in. Soon you will see if our message is "foundationless" or not. When you see the leading churches appeal to the USA government to back up their dogmas, know that the end is near. That the Image of the Beast (Rev.13.11-16) has finally been made. And the test of loyalty, will be force on you - align yourself with the goals or agenda of the Sea Beast or The God Who CREATED the land, seas and everything in them (Exo.20.8-11;Rev.14.7).
This is a deceptive argument that anti- Sabbatarians like to use, but they leave out what God says in Exo. 20 for a reason: "In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, _nor your stranger who is within your gates_ ". Yes, it applied to the Gentiles too.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you must be a Jew , therefore not a Christian because the Jews that believed in Jesus became new covenant Christians and no longer was under the Jewish law .
Just to add to the creator’s video, Macarius the Egyptian (Homily 35) wrote this: Context: Concerning the old Sabbath and the new. *In the shadow of the law given by Moses God commanded that every man should rest on the sabbath and do nothing. This was a type and shadow of the true sabbath given to the soul from the Lord. For the soul to which it has been granted to be set free from base and foul thoughts both keeps true sabbath and enjoys true rest, being idle and at leisure so far as the works of darkness are concerned.* There, in the typical sabbath, although they rested in bodily fashion, their souls were in bondage to wickednesses and sins. This, the true sabbath, is true rest, the soul being idle and cleansed from the suggestions of Satan, and resting in the eternal rest and joy of the Lord. The Lord calls man to rest, saying, _Come, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest;_ (Mat 11:28) and as many souls as are obedient and draw near, He makes them rest from all these heavy, burdensome, unclean thoughts, and they are idle from all iniquity, keeping a true, delicious, holy sabbath, and celebrate a festival of the Spirit, a festival of joy and gladness unspeakable; and they perform a pure service, well pleasing to God, out of a pure heart. This is the true and the holy sabbath. Let us therefore beseech God that _we also may enter into this rest (Heb 4:11),_ that we may be idle from base and evil and vain imaginations, that thus we may be able to serve God out of a pure heart, and celebrate the feast of the Holy Ghost. Blessed is he who enters into that rest. Glory to Him whose good pleasure it is, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, forever. Amen.
Sabbath means: rest, cease from work or stopping from daily work. Holy from Hebrew word Qodesh means separate not worship. Read carefully the fourth covenant of God with Israel, God asked Israeli to have rest on the seventh day, for God had separated the seventh day as a rest day not for worshiping. For Israeli as God commanded, worshipping have to be carried out at Hamikdas after they settled at the promised land. During their journey in the wilderness, and after the ten covenants were given, worshipping ceremony every morning and every afternoon even on the seventh day was done only by the priests and the Levites while all Israelites having rested in their tents. They were not worshipped on yom hasabii but sabbath. You may say that Lord Yeshua worship on Sabbath as His custom as mentioning on Luke 4:16. On this occasion, Lord Yeshua was not worshiping or avod in Hebrew nor praying but reading the Torah and gave teaching to the Israelites in the khenesset or synagogue not in the Hamikdash. Remember during Lord Yeshua time, there was Holy Temple or Hamikdash and there were many Khenesset. The Khenesset is the place for Jews to study the Tanakh (Torah Netuvim Ketuvim) during yomSabbath (rest day) on yom Sabii (seventh day) not for worshiping, for worshiping only in the Hamikdash. Why they should gather together on every seventh day at the Khenesset, because only on that day they had the rest time (sabbath time) and only on the rest time they could studying the Tanakh explained by their rabbinic. Tanakh books were rare during that time and not everyone has it like us now, hence they have to listen the reading of the Tanakh like Lord Yeshua did on rest day in Nazareth. According to Tanakh, day seventh for day of rest (yom sabii for yom sabbath) not for avod/ worship and or pray/hitpalel. Remember that Lord Yeshua condemned the Pharisee that pray in the Khenesset on Sabbath ( Matthew 6:5)? And Lord Yeshua said when thou prayest must be in closed door room? Yes, because the Khenesset is not the place for avod but for studying and learning about the words of God. Worship/avod or praying/hitpalel must be done at home in the closed door room daily and for offering according to Torah must be done at Hamikdash not in Khenesset/Synagogue. According to Tanakh, the Sabii for Sabbath not for avod. You could choose the Yom Sabii for rest/sabbath and worship with your community on other days. You also could choose the Sabii for avod together with your family and your communities, nothing wrong with that so do on yom Echad. We are saving by grace through Lord Jesus Christ not because your choosing of worship days.
Accusing someone of worshiping the Sabbath because God commanded His followers to dedicate this period to worship is the result of asinine reasoning on the part of the anti-Sabbatarian, particularly because Jesus was the God who told ppl to keep the Sabbath holy. The Sunday keepers are the ones worshiping a day.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779not true. We worship everyday. We rest on Sabbath or Sunday. If SDA have to work on what you call a Sabbath you do and give reasons for it 😆 you also say if you are not SDA you aren't saved. My demonization does not save me. JESUS IS MY SAVIOR
@@theeternalsbeliever1779Sabbath means: rest, cease from work or stopping from daily work. Holy from Hebrew word Qodesh means separate not worship. Read carefully the fourth covenant of God with Israel, God asked Israeli to have rest on the seventh day, for God had separated the seventh day as a rest day not for worshiping. For Israeli as God commanded, worshipping have to be carried out at Hamikdas after they settled at the promised land. During their journey in the wilderness, and after the ten covenants were given, worshipping ceremony every morning and every afternoon even on the seventh day was done only by the priests and the Levites while all Israelites having rested in their tents. They were not worshipped on yom hasabii but sabbath. You may say that Lord Yeshua worship on Sabbath as His custom as mentioning on Luke 4:16. On this occasion, Lord Yeshua was not worshiping or avod in Hebrew nor praying but reading the Torah and gave teaching to the Israelites in the khenesset or synagogue not in the Hamikdash. Remember during Lord Yeshua time, there was Holy Temple or Hamikdash and there were many Khenesset. The Khenesset is the place for Jews to study the Tanakh (Torah Netuvim Ketuvim) during yomSabbath (rest day) on yom Sabii (seventh day) not for worshiping, for worshiping only in the Hamikdash. Why they should gather together on every seventh day at the Khenesset, because only on that day they had the rest time (sabbath time) and only on the rest time they could studying the Tanakh explained by their rabbinic. Tanakh books were rare during that time and not everyone has it like us now, hence they have to listen the reading of the Tanakh like Lord Yeshua did on rest day in Nazareth. According to Tanakh, day seventh for day of rest (yom sabii for yom sabbath) not for avod/worship and or pray/hitpalel. Remember that Lord Yeshua condemned the Pharisee that pray in the Khenesset ( Matthew 6:5)? And Lord Yeshua said when thou prayest must be in closed door room? Yes, because the Khenesset is not the place for avod but for studying and learning about the words of God. Worship/avod or praying/hitpalel must be done at home in the closed door room daily and for offering according to Torah must be done at Hamikdash not in Khenesset/Synagogue. According to Tanakh, the Sabii for Sabbath not for avod. You could choose the Yom Sabii for rest/sabbath and worship with your community on other days. You also could choose the Sabii for avod together with your family and your communities, nothing wrong with that so do on yom Echad. We are saving by grace through Lord Jesus Christ not because your choosing of worship days.
@@tony1685 That's where you guys have to make everything about the Sabbath. John is talking about the second coming and being in the spirit on that day. The Day of Lord and His second coming. It's pretty simple.
@@answeringadventism Which makes it all the more ironic that Doug mentions it in a presentation on the Sabbath. Just as there's no Bible verse calling Sunday the new Sabbath, there's also no Bible verse that says John worked in the coal mines on Patmos and got the Sabbath off. If anything, I always assumed that Patmos was somewhat isolated and uninhabited at the time, or else it wouldn't have been much of a punishment to exile him there.
No, but neither does it say Sunday is the Lord's day. There is no text linking Sunday to the Lord's day, INCLUDING THE FANCY GREEK WORDS he just threw at us. Linking it to the Lord's supper means John meant Sunday?? Lame. Really lame. If Sunday were the New Sabbath, Christ would have announced it loud and clear, just like He did the 4th commandment. There'd be no need to force it out of the Bible with all manner of conjecture and twisted logic.
The bible doesn't give us a Sabbath for salvation, it gives us a sabbath for creation. If you want to honor the resurrection on Sunday, that's fine, but there's no command telling us to stop keeping the 7th day Sabbath.
The church Christ & the apostles established after the Resurrection was Seventh day Adventist church. There is zero place for any other denomination 👇 Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks." In Corinth, Paul regularly preached in the synagogue on the Sabbath, teaching both Jews and Greeks. 6. Acts 18:11 "And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them." Where is your root?
Doug knows the truth that the lord's day is Sunday....he just doesn't want to concede because he is afraid of loosing his position. He loves his position more than the lord.
@@_thevinylflower I haven't made any statement about any of those. The guy just said "The Lord's Day is Sunday". That's not in the Bible, and it's also the subject at hand. Would you like to support the Lord's Day is Sunday comment? Would love to see biblical support!
@@pdub332That’s why I’m also referring to. Non-biblical beliefs. Just as there’s no record of Sunday/Saturday Worship, these other doctrines aren’t found in scripture. Just as your statement says, why follow non-biblical beliefs, why follow these other non-biblical beliefs?
@@_thevinylflower No record of Sunday/Saturday worship? Not sure what you mean by that as I'm quite happy with what the record shows for Sabbath worship. I don't need anyone to concede to anything they don't see what I see in the bible for themselves. If you don't believe there is a judgement despite what the bible says, if you don't believe 2300 days relates to years despite what the bible says, if you don't believe the start date for the 2300 years aligns with the 490 weeks prophecy which takes us to 1844, despite what the bible says, I'm not going to try to force your concession. However, this guy was quite sure in his statement about the Lord's Day. Miles seems quite sure too. The Bible doesn't support them in any way!
It's not irrelevant because God fixed His identity as the Creator on the Sabbath and no other day. Read what _He_ says about it in Exo. 20:8-11. A lot of "Christians" don't know God primarily because they reject His Sabbath and observe the traditions of counterfeit Christianity like Sunday services above His law in authority.
Yes , Sabbath was customary for the Jewish to observe and Jesus did in his Ministry until his death . After his resurrection during the 40 days before his accession into Heaven, at no time or day he ever visited a Jewish Synagogue but choose to meet his followers on the First Day of the week to break bread in their mist . Does it ring the bell that New Creation and the Lord's Day was significant for early Christians to uphold to this Day and age despite all controversial debates .
@@lavendergilbee2059 false. there was no such thing as 'jew' or 'gentile' when Adam and Eve were here -- Abram came around 2,000 yrs later. and the Lord's day, according to the Bible is the 7th day Sabbath in both OT & NT.
@@lavendergilbee2059not just customary. But a commandment written in stone that pointed back to creation. Seems kind of important to remember the commandment that starts with the word remember
@ show me one verse in the NT that calls for the abolition of the sabbath. If the law isn’t expressly changed then why would you assume it’s gone. Nobody argues with the other 9 commandments so why is the sabbath such a huge sticking point for people. It is true that the Jews had many “sabbaths” that were apart of their ceremonial laws and traditions but that does not include THE sabbath day which was written in stone and points back to creation recognizing God as the creator of the earth.
What does it matter ? Irregardless to what day we choose to worship on, we all fall short when it comes to fulfilling the law. In all seriousness, apart from Jesus, could we name 10 bible characters who fulfilled the law ? I challenge anybody to try and answer that question. Myles , Jim Baber , EJ Lauriston, Walter Veith, Ted Wilson , Doug Batchelor , Stephen Bohr, whoever. It's an open house question, and also could you give biblical proof as to why you think so.
It matters because rejecting God's Sabbath means rejecting Him. In Ezekiel, God goes through history of how the Israelites who perished in the desert were sentenced to die there because they profaned His Sabbaths to pursue their father's false gods, just like anti-Sabbatarians do today. Profaning God's Sabbath is STILL sin.
The Catholic Church admits that they changed it.... The Bible says in Daniel chapter 7 that the Catholic Church would change it.... The Catholic Church admits that, if you follow Sunday instead of this seventh day sabbath, you are following her law and her mark of authority. Sorry, but you don't have an argument.... The Lord's day can only be the 7th day.
@Outlander-wm9cd John was in vision that culminated in the return of Jesus. That is the Lords Day. If it was so salvic important why didn't he just say the Sabbath?
We’ve addressed this so many times at this point it’s hard to even take seriously. Stop twisting history along with Roman Catholic claims to try and claim things they aren’t. No, the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t “admit they changed it”-by which you guys mean “the pope changed the sabbath.” Literally all of your guys favorite lies around this subject are addressed here: answeringadventism.com/did-the-pope-change-the-sabbath/
@@answeringadventism You've addressed nothing. You keep making ridiculous claims When I can go into the convert's catechism and various other teachings throughout recent history And see it with my own two eyes. Stop lying, it doesn't look good.
@AWW8472 Sunday is our mark of authority... The church is above the Bible and transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact. - Catholic record of London, Ontario, September 1st 1923. .... You already drunk the sour milk.
11 - 23 - 24 LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT SAME AS........... SDA : Teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT ( Ellen G White May 16 , 1895 The Signs of the Times ) LDS : Joseph Smith was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy SAME AS............ SDA : Ellen G White was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
There wasn’t any form of religion in Genesis 1 and God rested from His work after He created man and placed him on earth to represent God ,to procreate on earth. This sabbath ambiguous idea have eliminated the full purpose and potential of the creation of man in Genesis 1 that Christ came to restore ,sacrificed at Calvary .Man was created in the image and likeness of God to have dominion,authority over all creation or circumstances of life.We have been transformed to that image by the Holy Spirit (2Corinthians 3:18) Jesus came to restore our dominion mandate .Jesus never preached the sabbath but heal people on the sabbath ,rebuked the religious people and said I am Lord of the sabbath.Christ gave back our power and dominion over the kingdom of darkness by the Holy Spirit.We REST in Christ after our born again experience. Jesus said in 🔥John 14:12 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 🔥Mathew 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. EGWhite had misconstrued the bible and SDA’s have lost,misinterpreted the original intention of the creation of man that Christ came to restore.Christ died for mankind ,for us to rediscover our purpose Christ didn’t die for a physical day..
@ I think I need a clearer chart or something. Adam was created on the six day of creation. How is the sixth day not his first day-sabbath his second? I’m not trying to be annoying, it just really is not making sense to me.
Were you able to watch the first couple minutes of that video I linked? Jews counted days from evening to evening. Adam didn't experience evening to evening on the 6th day. The close of his first day would have been the evening of the 7th. (Evening of the 6th to evening of the 7th).
@ I did, and it sounds like I am not misunderstanding the logic then. It doesn’t make sense to me because we don’t say things this way any other time. For instance: Your birthday isn’t your first full day, it’s the current day when you came into the world. Your first full day is your second day of existence. My worry is that this line of argumentation is so clearly faulty that SDAs will use it as an excuse to dismiss the argument entirely.
Not shabbat? I also know, in german the pronouns, for sun and moon are "reversed": Sun is feminine Moon is masculine? Even though Women have 28 day cycles with menses?
@@mrnelsonmandelamark the synagogue isn’t where the Christian church was worshiping. You think Peter and Paul attended the synagogue to worship Jesus with Jews who rejected Jesus? And this was a Christian church service? lol They were at the synagogue doing EVANGELISM, not Christian church service. They literally gotten beaten and thrown out of the synagogue for their evangelism there. That wasn’t church.
@ We must all agree on one foundational truth: the Sabbath was never changed by anyone. To reject the Sabbath is to reject the authority of the entire law, and as we know from Scripture, the Ten Commandments cannot be refuted (James 2:10). Paul further emphasizes this in Romans 3:31, affirming that the law is upheld, not abolished, through faith in Christ. In Revelation, we are told that the Devil specifically attacks the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17, 14:12), which underscores the importance of God’s law. Jesus Himself spoke extensively on this matter, even declaring in Mark 2:28, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath,” giving clear guidance on how we are to honor it. Furthermore, in Matthew 5:17, Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. He warns that those who teach men to break God’s commandments will be least in His kingdom, but those who teach and obey them will be great (Matthew 5:19). So, I must wonder why there is such a strong push to lead the church astray with doctrines that contradict the clear teachings of Scripture.
Right, you just ignored the fact that what you originally claimed is false. The apostles were not worshiping Jesus in the synagogue with Jews who rejected Jesus. So stop appealing to those verses to try and bolster seventh-day sabbatarianism. They were doing evangelism there. It wasn't a Christian church service. Rambling on about the law when I'm not an antinomian is irrelevant. You guys assume everyone who disagrees with you must hate the law and be an antinomian and we aren't.
@@answeringadventism It’s not “7th Sabbaterism,” as you ignorantly claimed-it’s a commandment directly from God Himself. Have you even read Isaiah 66:23, where it states the Sabbath is eternal, continuing even in the new heavens and the new earth? It’s clear you haven’t. I’ve tried to see the logic behind observing the first day of the week as holy, but it simply doesn’t hold up, biblically or otherwise. Even the secular world seems to recognize the sanctity of the seventh day. Think about it: Friday is universally known as a preparation day. Clubs are packed Friday night through early Saturday morning, but the same cannot be said for Saturday night into Sunday-most people are too busy nursing hangovers. It’s almost like God left His design embedded into creation itself, leaving us without excuse (Romans 1:20). Now, with your doctrine, where is the foundation? Where is the moral reference point? The Bible explicitly declares in Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 that God’s faithful people follow His commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. The Sabbath, mentioned over 150 times throughout Scripture, stands out as a commandment of unique importance. Yet you claim Jesus abolished the law? Funny, because Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it-and that teaching others to break even the least of these commandments makes one the least in the kingdom of heaven. Let’s not forget those famous “proof texts” in Colossians 2 and Hebrews 4. You use them to argue the Sabbath was abolished, yet they don’t actually say that. Instead, they point to the deeper rest we find in Christ, not the removal of God’s moral law. And here you are, telling people to observe Sunday-a day with zero biblical foundation-as sacred. Isn’t that ironic for someone claiming to follow sola scriptura? I respect honesty, even in disagreement. I’ve spoken to atheists, Muslims, and others who at least don’t pretend the Sabbath was abolished without biblical evidence. But taking one commandment out of ten, teaching it’s no longer valid, and expecting people to believe you? That’s laughable. 😅
@@answeringadventism We must all agree on one foundational truth: the Sabbath was never changed by anyone. To reject the Sabbath is to reject the authority of the entire law, and as we know from Scripture, the Ten Commandments cannot be refuted (James 2:10). Paul further emphasizes this in Romans 3:31, affirming that the law is upheld, not abolished, through faith in Christ. In Revelation, we are told that the Devil specifically attacks the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17, 14:12), which underscores the importance of God’s law. Jesus Himself spoke extensively on this matter, even declaring in Mark 2:28, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath,” giving clear guidance on how we are to honor it. Furthermore, in Matthew 5:17, Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. He warns that those who teach men to break God’s commandments will be least in His kingdom, but those who teach and obey them will be great (Matthew 5:19). So, I must wonder why there is such a strong push to lead the church astray with doctrines that contradict the clear teachings of Scripture.
@@brmead3133 ever read the first 9 verses of Mathew 28? starts of : after the Sabbath on the first day of the week.. then read on up to verse 9. whats all this describing?
Jesus was resurrected on the afternoon of the weekly Sabbath following His crucifixion, not Sunday. The Bible conclusively teaches that He died around 3 p.m. on Passover Wednesday and was resurrected 3 days later at the same time, according to His own prophecy where declared in Matt. that He will be dead for exactly 72 hrs.
I'm not going to say that Ignatius was a heretic or an Apostate or that any of these people weren't true Christians -- they were just wrong on this issue.
Being wrong on the issue makes someone a heretic and not a true follower of Christ, especially if it completely contradicts God's doctrines. The Bible is pretty straightforward on this.
If you want to celebrate Christ's resurrection on Sunday, that's up to you. However, the 7 day Sabbath will forever be a memorial of creation, and God as the Creator, who requires worship from all created beings on the 7th day of rest.
@@kimartist "Where does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a memorial of creation?" *"God did Institute the old Sabbath was because God would have it kept as a memorial of the creation"* Kim do you agree with this?
@@kimfersner1916 "Yes rest not worship we worship everyday" Kim is there a difference between personal worship "everyday" and corporate worship "assembling ourselves together" at a certain time regularly, weekly that is?
Why do you keep erasing my comment when it debunks the adventists? If you disagree with it, why not refute it or ask me inregrlards to it? You give the impression that you don't care for truth, but for promoting your ideas and videos, not allowing for your edification. Probably afraid that you would have to remove this video if it's proven false, but a man of God would simply correct or remove the video and make a correct one, not erase a differing message on a thread. You think truth is your game?
I feel so sorry for you! What happened to you? Were you physically, emotionally, or spiritually abused by someone in the Adventist faith? Not many people have this much hate within themselves when doing nothing but going after the object of their hate in any way they can. You need lots of prayer! You do not act the way Christ wants us to act! There's one thing that I find absolutely hysterical is when young people who didn't live in the last century or were born in the last decade of the last century and they think that they know more than people who have been studying the Bible for at least two of their lifetimes! Someone who hasn't yet learned that they don't know everything still believes that they know more than people who have spent decades reading and studying the Bible. Once you finally grow up you'll realize that it's immature pride that makes you think that you know more than your elders! It's like this lady who thinks the earth is flat! No matter how much truth that they are presented with, they close their eyes, and nope, I don't agree. So you're gonna disagree because you think you're right and everyone else is wrong if they don't fit your narrative. It gets funnier when you won't sit and debate with these kinds of people because you know that you can't do your biblical gymnastics and fool them! Pastor Doug Batchelor has had a forum where a Sunday keeping pastor came and stated his facts followed by Pr. Doug Batchelor stating his point. The other pastor was put out with how Pr. Doug was so kind and happy and stated his side so eloquently and truthfully. I have to say to anyone who listens to you that they need to balance what you say with people who have actually studied and have degrees and 40+ years of experience! I hope that you can make peace with your past before it's too late!
God had John write the book of Revelation on the "Lord's Day" (Revelation 1:11) Writing a book is a lot of work. Pretty strange if God wanted Christians to keep the sabbath??
@@theextreme7134 apparently writing what's spoken to them isn't work. it sounds like one of the created rules the pharisees would have created in their effort to make the Sabbath seem to be a burden to Christians.
@@mrfelix2510 only because you don’t know what Christian’s mean when they use the phrase “Jewish sabbath.” You’d benefit from watching the entire presentation this clip is from. Exodus 20:10 isn’t Revelation 1:10. So nice try, but you didn’t prove anything.
Jesus set the example and on the Saturday Sabbath often went to temple. So by calling myself a Christian a follower of Christ. I follow his exsmple of keeping the Saturdsy Sabbath. The Sunday tradition only started hundreds of years later and nowhere did Jesus say he came to Abolish the law but rather fulfill it. Keep it simple, Sabbath is simply there some man can rest from his labour and acknowledge that God is his creator and spend some time with him. Hopefully people who believe still have open minds and can discover for themselves the truth with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. From a former Staunch Anglican. Stay Blessed
@@jsimoes9424 The general acceptance of the change for churches to gather and congregate was around 400AD largely instilled by Constantine because Sundays were market days, History records that even St Patrick of Ireland kept a Saturday Sabbath, not telling anyone what to believe but worth researching and making up your own mind and never ever base a massive belief on one line of scripture alone
@@pdub332 True, what a stupid question, nobody was made for the sabbath. Its only the modern-day pharisees that wants to enforced it on everybody, for they can't handle it that we are saved by faith and not by the works of the law.
We actually have a weekend 😊 Sabbath is 7th day Lords Day is Sunday PSALM 84:11 Malachi 4:2 However, I could go on either.. Would an Adventist go to Church on the 1st(8th) day As a guest? I go to their churches Sometimes Colossians 2:15-16 Paul didn't bring up Sabbath to gentiles Just the others
@answeringadventism I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet..." (NKJV) According to this verse, yes, John was "in the Spirit" on the day Jesus returned to him in vision, which is often interpreted as the "Lord's Day" (Sunday). This phrase "in the Spirit" suggests that John was in a state of spiritual ecstasy or prophetic trance, receiving a divine revelation from God.
@@robertanoble6433 the Lord's day is the 7th day Sabbath -- the day of the Lord, as you've been told, is the day He returns. neither is indicated as the 1st day, sunday.
@@tony1685 It is obvious that resurrection day, is the day the Lord Made. Resurrection day is Sunday. Sunday is the day the Lord made! The first day (Sunday) is the Lord's Day!
You have to go outside the Bible to prove your point, as with Ignatius. Who's gonna believe you? The ones who want the Sabbath done away with, and favor Sunday observance (of which Jesus said nothing), they are eager to believe you. I can just hear them now, saying, "And that's right! Amen!" You have the majority agreeing with you.
Actually, you have to go outside the Bible to prove the SDA message. You have to go to a 19th prophet. You didn't listen carefully, did you? Are you going to listen to a disciple of the Apostle John, or are you going to listen to a 19th century "prophet"?
@@jimmu2008 Being a disciple of John doesn't qualify him if his doctrine is contrary to what Jesus Christ taught. You measure his or anybody else's doctrine by one standard, as found in 2 John V9: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son". Jesus never taught any of that stuff that Ignatius taught.
@@donwhitt9899 that is where you are badly mistaken. Ignatius taught what the Apostles taught. That being said, the standard you just asserted should unquestionably disqualify EGW as a prophet. She taught all kinds of things that are either in in conflict with what Jesus taught or in addition to what is taught in the Bible or ANY Christian authority.
Finding my way to legacy through studying the books of Dead sister white other than looking up to Jesus Christ the Arthur and finisher of our faith 😢😢 that alone is a prove that sister white has more than we think
Looking to know Jesus Christ through sermons by SDA pastors, 😂😂 tattoos is really useless, If you want to know about Jesus Christ, you study the Bible not studying other Christians to the Bible
@jsimoes9424 your gospel is loosing meaning bro, Taking time to compare yourselves with SDA pastors and with one another; which Bible Are you reading????
@jsimoes9424 secondly i can't ignore her writings because there's something in them! Because if she died so Many years back and even critics everywhere are trying to twist her WRITINGS to soot their Ideologies and make themselves popular in TH-cam that means her WRITINGS are inspired
As an SDA I admire the time and effort you take to create these videos. However, if you believe in "sola scriptura" then it greatly retracts from your validity when you constantly reference Ignatius, Cyprian and other Christian writers. The Bible should explain itself, and there's no need to reference Christian authors who are not part of the 66 cannon. And before you come at me, I do not believe EGW should be used to interpret the Bible or supplement its teachings.
You cannot be an SDA and not believe EGW isn't the foundation for every thing the movement stands for or looked through the lens of this woman. You just can't.
@@Donatello-b4x Her writings are not quoted anywhere in the 28 fundamental beliefs. So to say she is the foundation for everything we stand for is incorrect. Believing her writings isn't even a requirement for church membership. Many SDAs do not hold her in prophetic authority and they still allowed to be members.
@@mmorgan95 You have it wrong, or you do play a deceptive card here. Go read No.18 again and this round acknowledge the fact that you are a deceiver and not simply wrong on the subject.
@@nonconformist4802 I am quoting it word for word: Fundamental belief #18: "The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested." No where does it mention that her writings are used to interpret the Bible. If I'm missing something please share :)
@@mmorgan95 Also you have said, but for some strange reason unknown to me, you refused to mentioned it. "Your own words" 1) Her writings are not quoted anywhere in the 28 fundamental beliefs. 2) So to say she is the foundation for everything we stand for is incorrect. 3) Believing her writings isn't even a requirement for church membership 4) Many SDAs do not hold her in prophetic authority and they still allowed to be members. You have copied it word for word and you missed this part --> "Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. " Do you have comprehension problems or what? And No, you won't be a member of the SDA if you don't accept the 28 fundamental believes. So each and every member must accept her as a prophet to be part of the church.
Even with the supposed gotcha greek, it still isn't evidence the Lord's day is Sunday. He's taking an insane leap of conjecture, just like all the other nonsense explanations of the 1st day verses by Sunday advocates.
There is absolutely no evidence Christ made Sunday sacred anywhere in scripture. If Sunday were to be part of the New Covenant, Christ would have made that very clear BEFORE SEALING THE NEW COVENANT WITH HIS BLOOD. No such text exists. Only God can make a new Sabbath.
"Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the EIGHTH DAY." ~ Exodus 22 : 30
"On the EIGHTH DAY they must bring two male lambs and one ewe lamb a year old, each without defect, along with three-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, and one log of oil." ~ Leviticus 14 : 10
"On the EIGHTH DAY they must bring them for their cleansing to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord." ~ Leviticus 14 : 23
No, it is not true that "the only dated records we have of His meeting corporately are on Sunday." John 21:10-14. "Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fish...This is now the third time that Jesus showed Himself to the disciples." If Jesus appearing to His disciples on the first day makes the day the Lord's day, why doesn't showing Himself to them on a working day, make that the Lord's day just as much? The truth is that there is no record of His appearing on any day made that the Lod's day.
Show the DATE in John 21, Geoff.
DATED corporate gatherings. There is no DATED corporate gathering in John 21.
Anytime it’s DATED-it’s the FIRST day. And that proves my point. The apostles saw need to DATE those instances and NOT the others. And it just so happens that EVERY TIME, worship happens at these first-day, dated gatherings.
You ironically proved my point. In John 21 they’re working, and they don’t document worshipping Jesus. Yet in all of their first day dated cases it’s about someone worshiping and not working.
@@answeringadventism there's a time they gathered for fear of the Jews on Sunday! So Why don't we gather for fear of the Jews every Sunday 😷😷
@@answeringadventism The first day text you are referencing is Acts 20:7? That text does not define that they came together to worship, it specifically states "the disciples came together to break bread". I would not use that as an argument to prove that they were worshiping on the first day. Preaching on a specific day does not denote observance, by preaching they were just following the great commission. I would argue that Acts 13:13-15 is more worthy of a "church service", as we can see it compares with something similar in Luke 4:15-17. The reason I would argue that this (Acts 13:13-15) is more of a church service is because in Bible times their church service consisted of them reading from the law and the prophets (Luke 4:15-17).
@mmorgan95 No, I didn't reference Acts 20:7. Where is Jesus corporately gathering with the Body in Acts 20:7? Do some of you even bother to read?
You didn't disprove literally anything in focus. All of the dated cases of Jesus corporately gathering with the Body POST resurrection, are on the first day. Luke 4 isn't before the resurrection, dude. Acts 13 and Acts 20 are AFTER the ascension and Jesus is not physically there present with them. All of the DATED corporate gatherings in the New Testament, where Jesus is present and worshiped, between the resurrection and the ascension, are on the FIRST DAY. And like Geoff showed in John 21, Jesus meets with the disciples and they are working. They aren't worshiping. So the apostles saw the need to DATE only the cases of Jesus gathering with them where worship took place. And it's ALWAYS the first day. You can't show us a single DATED case of Jesus being corporately worshiped by the Body on the seventh day post resurrection. Because that's not when Christians corporately gathered for worship.
READ Michael, READ. Stop viscerally commenting and just rambling.
This isn't even the primary reason for first day corporate worship. This is one of a mountain of biblical reasons. This is a clip from a 6 hour, 2 part presentation.
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You say "All" like there is is some mountain of evidence for the disciples gathering on the first day, but there's only ONE reference and that is John 20:19. And it clearly states that they were gathered for fear of the Jews, not to worship. There is no text in the NT that links worship with the first day.
Also, I understand that there is no mention of Sabbath worship between the resurrection and the ascension. However AFTER the ascension we find the disciples worshiping on the Seventh day in Acts 13:13-15. And the reason why I know it's worship is because it's similar to how Jesus worshipped at the synagogue in Luke 4:15-17.
So once again, show me a DATED gathering on Sunday, between the resurrection and ascension, where the text says the disciples were gathered for worship. Because the only one is John 20:19 and it clearly says they were gathered for fear of the Jews.
SDA professor Samuele Bacchiocchi spent many years researching the Sabbath. Even with access to the restricted vaults of the Vatican library, he never found any evidence that the Waldenses observed the Sabbath:
"I spent several hours searching for an answer in the two scholarly volumes Storia dei Valdesi--(History of the Waldenses), authored by Amedeo Molnar and Augusto Hugon. These two books were published in 1974 by the Claudiana, which is the official Italian Waldensian publishing house. They are regarded as the most comprehensive history of the Waldenses. To my regret I found no allusion whatsoever to Sabbathkeeping among the Waldenses."3
Mines? He says there is nothing in the Bible about Sunday as the lords day but then mentions John refused to work in the mines?
Huh????
Batchelor can rise to the challenge when it comes to finding things that are not in the Bible...in the Bible. In one of his videos, he uses Mark 2:17 to show unfallen beings exist on other worlds. His reasoning was something like that if Jesus came to earth for the "sick," then there must be "healthy" worlds, too.
Talk about a snake-oil salesman.
A quick Google search reveals that while there is evidence of mines on Patmos, none of them were coal mines. However, this sort of extrabiblical addition by Ellen White and others is what first tipped me off that something was wrong with Adventism. To its tremendous credit, Adventism taught me to rely on the Bible over human tradition for my beliefs, and it was that very standard that ultimately led me out.
@@hotwax9376 I wonder why Mr. Batchelor is incapable of doing these quick Google searches...
Love the conclusion stressing the disciples of John and other early church fathers were ‘wrong’ about claiming early Christians worshipped on Sunday but anti trinitarians thousands of years later were ‘right’ in their claims.
I was a 4th generation SDA. My parents had their names removed from church membership as they believed the church was too worldly, and not following EGW. My Dad was so close, yet so far, from the truth. I remember him warning attendees of his home church group that The Lord's Day in Revelation may actually be Sunday, so to avoid using it in their Sabbath arguments. He believed Jesus wasn't necessarily "sleeping" while his body was in the tomb. But he just couldn't even question EGW. He'd go to any lengths to make it work.
I'm not sure he was saved, at that time, honestly. He absolutely didn't have confidence or faith in Jesus. Thankfully, he found Jesus in the last year of his life. Or Jesus found him. He had cancer, and the meds made affected him to the point he couldn't articulate it, but you could see the difference. I'm sad he never got to fully live that life here, but, he has eternity with Jesus now.
The idea that John worked in the coal mines evey day but Saturday is a new one to me. I thought he was too old possibly? I think I read that somewhere, not from an SDA source. Now im curious.
The exile islands weren't even garisonned, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure the mine was active when John was exiled to Patmos.
In the first minute, if we use that same standard and apply it to his scapegoat teaching, then its a false teaching and shoild not be taught.
@@SolaScriptura21 inconsistent standards strike again!
@@answeringadventism All your reasoning can not explain away God's word that says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God." As you are talking, you have this smirking and condescending manner going on, have at it, all I know that the word of God is the only thing in our world we can rely on. Whatever contradicts that word we may be sure proceeds from Satan. On this very issue is fast approaching the final crisis. Have seen J.D. Vance's friends, eminent Christian Nationalists, on TH-cam saying "We won't be able to accommodate Jews and Seventh-day Adventists," shows they have persecution in mind. Liberty of conscience will no longer be respected. Sounds like you are preparing to receive the Mark of the Beast, but it's not for me to judge, I hope when the Holy Spirit comes own with great power and lightens the earth with its glory (Rev 18:1), you will see the truth and be among those hurried out of the fallen churches before the fall of the seven last plagues.
We get from many places in the New testament. Including Mathew 28:9. They worshipped Him after the Sabbath. on the first day of the week.. Sunday 🙏
Wrong. Matthew 28:1 is not an endorsement of Sunday worship. What you need is an announcement from Christ BEFORE SEALING THE COVENANT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD. Sunday is not part of the New Covenant.
@danielcristancho3738 "The FIRST DAY is a day of SABBATH REST, and the EIGHTH DAY also is a day of SABBATH REST."
~ Leviticus 23 : 39
@@danielcristancho3738 The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
Christians worship 24/7 -- but One day was sanctified, blessed, made Holy, for church (Lev 23:3) and specifically time with other Christians -- that day is the 7th day Sabbath, the Lord's day.
@@tony1685 Tony...and all I can say is wrong wrong and wrong.
Yes Christians worship 24/7 or just one of 7, and all unto the Lord. One day was sanctified and blessed made Holy For Israel (Lev 23:3 and specifically time for other Israel's that day is the 7th day sabbath, the Shabbot. The Lord's day is Sunday or Monday or Tuesday etc etc, since He created every day they all belong to God. But Sunday is the Lord's day Lord's day.
And on Sabbath they did so by observing Exodus 16:29 and stayed HOME according to the COMMANDMENT.
There FIXED your blasphemous statement, not go and SIN NO MORE SINNER.
Rev. Warns of adding and taking away from the Bible.
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Doug Batchelor pulls “facts” out of thin air and gives no sources and refuses to elaborate.
His preaching style is deceptive.
I'd watch most of Millennium of Prophecy video series years ago and you have wait a looooong time before he mentions he's with SDA. And you really don't hear him preaching the Gospel.
It just amazes me how twisting, upside down the Adventist use Scripture. It actually is sickening the way they teach the Scriptures, which in reality they do not, instead they pull things from what their prophet wrote and everything else is out of thin air.
@@deborahthreefourfive6824 demonstrate please. and quit hating, it's not healthy. learn to harness your fickle feelings and turn them into something productive, like now -- show us what you are saying please.
@tony1685 must be exhausting being this triggered and have to defend all this mess.
Friend please know what you are talking about before you say it. Doug always gives sources. Sometimes he doesn’t but do you expect him to source everything he says? The only thing that’s deceptive is you deceiving yourself into disregarding what he’s saying. Cross check everything you says and you will find everything he’s saying is based on scripture
And you cited your source!!!!! That's credible research!!!!!
@@bjqb1108 as old as you are claiming to worship Christ but the power of Christ is absent in your life
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@nonconformist4802 Taking time to compare ourselves with one another, which Bible Are you reading
@nonconformist4802 church goer's but without the power of Christ in them, I know your, power of Christ is absent But comparing ourselves is the current gospel 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@okwijames947
Simpler answer,
New Living Translation
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.
What the insane SDA dont get is, going to church on the Jewish Sabbath isn't keeping the sabbath, in fact most of the Jews when Jesus started his ministry wasn't keeping the law, going to the temple on the sabbath isn't/wasn't keeping the Jewish sabbath, they was suppose to stay and do no work and thats how it was kept holy for God, not going to church......
Further more Rev 1:10 is the day of wrath from Jesus, then John goes on to explain the wrath and why, it has nothing to do with the sabbath that is a day of rest. We are now in the church age, not OT Jewish sabbath ordinances that was given to the Jews and made for the Jews to as a sign that they are his people, thefore the sabbath was made for man and Jesus is Lord of sabbath. That means he can do what ever he wants with sabbath law, even nailing it to the cross so we are longer saved by keeping the sabbath or any other law, the law was made to bring man to Jesus.....
'Jewish Sabbath' is not the same as the jewish sabbaths.
would you like to discuss the many differences, friend?
Talk about being INSANE.. you are the # 1.. I hav eJewish friends. over 2,000 years now.they still keeping the Sabbath.
@@job38four10
The 7th day weekly Sabbath was given to humanity at Creation...2,500 years BEFORE the Jews existed! If you follow exegesis you will find the Bible's answer: Revelation 1:10 says the Lord has a day ..but it does not reveal which day. Mark 2:27-28 Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath day ...but this text does not tell us which day is the Sabbath day....go to Luke 23 beginning at verse 50 and read through Luke 24:1. These verses describe the events after the 9th hour on the Preparation Day when He died...and His resurrection early in the first day of the week. Today, we refer to these days as Good Friday and Easter Sunday. With this understood...what day comes after Good Friday and before Easter Sunday?
@@JOHNVALDEZ-e8h Read what what the bible says about keeping the sabbath, maybe some Jews are, but most are not. Going to church or temple is NOT keeping the sabbath, you ignorant SDA just know know what keeping the sabbath is........ More help found here>>> Why Do Christians Gather on a Sunday and Not on a Sabbath/Saturday? # 1
@@tony1685 {" going to church on the Jewish Sabbath isn't keeping the sabbath, " }
So, a prisoner gets to chose what days he will labor and what days he can rest? Yeah right. Like Peter had a choice on how he would ultimately be put to death.
This man, like one of our elders, preaches that sometimes you need to withold some information to people you are trying to convert because of the negative association with SDA and EGW. Flat out said that sometimes too much at once will scare off people, and that small doses at a time is better for conversion. Where in Scripture does it say the Gospel needs to have parts held back from the person seeking a relationship with Christ?
If it is the true Gospel and the truth, then there should be no reason to hide anything. That's how they get their foot into the door. The elder was constantly, constantly talking about converting and having studies with others.
How deceptive can you be and treat the Gospel that way? If that doesn't have a sinister undertone I don't know what does.
Ellen White herself had a vision on the subject of withholding their name from their publications of her day as dishonest. Her words were that they were to be proud of their beliefs and movement. My, how times have changed.
Nothing new under the sun.
Well Jesus did it 🤷🏻♂️
@untoldhistory2800 unbelievable. Glad I left the Deception
@@Donatello-b4x Jesus didn’t explain everything at once. He revealed the truth gradually. In fact many times He said to his disciples ‘have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.’
We witness as we are guided by the Holy Spirit
Because SDAs don't convert people to Christ; they convert them to Adventism.
One could argue that there's no text that commands Sabbath to be a day of "worship" either....SDAs beat this dead horse over and over.
One can argue also that there is NO Command to not to keep the Sabbath. I se your double standard .
@@JOHNVALDEZ-e8h it's fine when SADs do it though right? 🤔😅
Luke 4:16
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
@donwhitt9899 why do goofy SDAs parrot that verse as if it proves anything about Sabbath observance? Christ was a jew...where else was he supposed to "stand up for to read"?
@@HardPumpers So how did he save you from your sins, yet he was a Jew
Again , Deuteronomy 5 explains who for and why the sabbath was given .
But not in Genius. No suggestion of a Sabbath mentioned for hundreds of years. 😮
@@kotchstevens2321, was there a need? I mean, didn't Adam live 960 years? What a better witness than the first man to talk about the reason for a "rest day"? Can you see why Christ uttered the words : "the Sabbath was made for man"? Please, let that sink in. Soon you will see if our message is "foundationless" or not. When you see the leading churches appeal to the USA government to back up their dogmas, know that the end is near. That the Image of the Beast (Rev.13.11-16) has finally been made. And the test of loyalty, will be force on you - align yourself with the goals or agenda of the Sea Beast or The God Who CREATED the land, seas and everything in them (Exo.20.8-11;Rev.14.7).
This is a deceptive argument that anti- Sabbatarians like to use, but they leave out what God says in Exo. 20 for a reason: "In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, _nor your stranger who is within your gates_ ". Yes, it applied to the Gentiles too.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you must be a Jew , therefore not a Christian because the Jews that believed in Jesus became new covenant Christians and no longer was under the Jewish law .
So does Exodus 20. The Sabbath was made for man, not just the Jews.
Just to add to the creator’s video, Macarius the Egyptian (Homily 35) wrote this:
Context: Concerning the old Sabbath and the new.
*In the shadow of the law given by Moses God commanded that every man should rest on the sabbath and do nothing. This was a type and shadow of the true sabbath given to the soul from the Lord. For the soul to which it has been granted to be set free from base and foul thoughts both keeps true sabbath and enjoys true rest, being idle and at leisure so far as the works of darkness are concerned.* There, in the typical sabbath, although they rested in bodily fashion, their souls were in bondage to wickednesses and sins. This, the true sabbath, is true rest, the soul being idle and cleansed from the suggestions of Satan, and resting in the eternal rest and joy of the Lord.
The Lord calls man to rest, saying, _Come, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest;_ (Mat 11:28) and as many souls as are obedient and draw near, He makes them rest from all these heavy, burdensome, unclean thoughts, and they are idle from all iniquity, keeping a true, delicious, holy sabbath, and celebrate a festival of the Spirit, a festival of joy and gladness unspeakable; and they perform a pure service, well pleasing to God, out of a pure heart. This is the true and the holy sabbath. Let us therefore beseech God that _we also may enter into this rest (Heb 4:11),_ that we may be idle from base and evil and vain imaginations, that thus we may be able to serve God out of a pure heart, and celebrate the feast of the Holy Ghost. Blessed is he who enters into that rest. Glory to Him whose good pleasure it is, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, forever. Amen.
Sabbath means: rest, cease from work or stopping from daily work. Holy from Hebrew word Qodesh means separate not worship. Read carefully the fourth covenant of God with Israel, God asked Israeli to have rest on the seventh day, for God had separated the seventh day as a rest day not for worshiping. For Israeli as God commanded, worshipping have to be carried out at Hamikdas after they settled at the promised land. During their journey in the wilderness, and after the ten covenants were given, worshipping ceremony every morning and every afternoon even on the seventh day was done only by the priests and the Levites while all Israelites having rested in their tents.
They were not worshipped on yom hasabii but sabbath.
You may say that Lord Yeshua worship on Sabbath as His custom as mentioning on Luke
4:16. On this occasion, Lord Yeshua was not worshiping or avod in Hebrew nor praying but reading the Torah and gave teaching to the Israelites in the khenesset or synagogue not in the Hamikdash. Remember during Lord Yeshua time, there was Holy Temple or Hamikdash and there were many Khenesset.
The Khenesset is the place for Jews to study the Tanakh (Torah Netuvim Ketuvim) during yomSabbath (rest day) on yom Sabii (seventh day) not for worshiping, for worshiping only in the Hamikdash.
Why they should gather together on every seventh day at the Khenesset, because only on that day they had the rest time (sabbath time) and only on the rest time they could studying the Tanakh explained by their rabbinic. Tanakh books were rare during that time and not everyone has it like us now, hence they have to listen the reading of the Tanakh like Lord Yeshua did on rest day in Nazareth.
According to Tanakh, day seventh for day of rest (yom sabii for yom sabbath) not for avod/ worship and or pray/hitpalel.
Remember that Lord Yeshua condemned the Pharisee that pray in the Khenesset on Sabbath ( Matthew
6:5)? And Lord Yeshua said when thou prayest must be in closed door room? Yes, because the Khenesset is not the place for avod but for studying and learning about the words of God.
Worship/avod or praying/hitpalel must be done at home in the closed door room daily and for offering according to Torah must be done at Hamikdash not in Khenesset/Synagogue.
According to Tanakh, the Sabii for Sabbath not for avod. You could choose the Yom Sabii for rest/sabbath and worship with your community on other days. You also could choose the Sabii for avod together with your family and your communities, nothing wrong with that so do on yom Echad.
We are saving by grace through Lord Jesus Christ not because your choosing of worship days.
They worship a day. Instead of worshipping Jesus. They do not accept the new creation
Worship God on the 7 day. A memorial of creation.
we do not worship a day We simply worship on the sabbath. By your argument you guys also worship a day that is Sunday. Inconsistent standards.
Accusing someone of worshiping the Sabbath because God commanded His followers to dedicate this period to worship is the result of asinine reasoning on the part of the anti-Sabbatarian, particularly because Jesus was the God who told ppl to keep the Sabbath holy. The Sunday keepers are the ones worshiping a day.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779not true. We worship everyday. We rest on Sabbath or Sunday. If SDA have to work on what you call a Sabbath you do and give reasons for it 😆 you also say if you are not SDA you aren't saved. My demonization does not save me. JESUS IS MY SAVIOR
@@theeternalsbeliever1779Sabbath means: rest, cease from work or stopping from daily work. Holy from Hebrew word Qodesh means separate not worship. Read carefully the fourth covenant of God with Israel, God asked Israeli to have rest on the seventh day, for God had separated the seventh day as a rest day not for worshiping. For Israeli as God commanded, worshipping have to be carried out at Hamikdas after they settled at the promised land. During their journey in the wilderness, and after the ten covenants were given, worshipping ceremony every morning and every afternoon even on the seventh day was done only by the priests and the Levites while all Israelites having rested in their tents. They were not worshipped on yom hasabii but sabbath.
You may say that Lord Yeshua worship on Sabbath as His custom as mentioning on Luke 4:16. On this occasion, Lord Yeshua was not worshiping or avod in Hebrew nor praying but reading the Torah and gave teaching to the Israelites in the khenesset or synagogue not in the Hamikdash. Remember during Lord Yeshua time, there was Holy Temple or Hamikdash and there were many Khenesset. The Khenesset is the place for Jews to study the Tanakh (Torah Netuvim Ketuvim) during yomSabbath (rest day) on yom Sabii (seventh day) not for worshiping, for worshiping only in the Hamikdash.
Why they should gather together on every seventh day at the Khenesset, because only on that day they had the rest time (sabbath time) and only on the rest time they could studying the Tanakh explained by their rabbinic. Tanakh books were rare during that time and not everyone has it like us now, hence they have to listen the reading of the Tanakh like Lord Yeshua did on rest day in Nazareth.
According to Tanakh, day seventh for day of rest (yom sabii for yom sabbath) not for avod/worship and or pray/hitpalel.
Remember that Lord Yeshua condemned the Pharisee that pray in the Khenesset ( Matthew 6:5)? And Lord Yeshua said when thou prayest must be in closed door room? Yes, because the Khenesset is not the place for avod but for studying and learning about the words of God.
Worship/avod or praying/hitpalel must be done at home in the closed door room daily and for offering according to Torah must be done at Hamikdash not in Khenesset/Synagogue.
According to Tanakh, the Sabii for Sabbath not for avod. You could choose the Yom Sabii for rest/sabbath and worship with your community on other days. You also could choose the Sabii for avod together with your family and your communities, nothing wrong with that so do on yom Echad.
We are saving by grace through Lord Jesus Christ not because your choosing of worship days.
The Sabbath and the Lord's Day are different and separate observances. The debate dissipates.
absolutely not -- not according to the Word of God anyhow. the Lord's day can be no other than the 7th day Sabbath.
@tony1685 your grammar needs a fix. How is the Lord's Day different from the Day of the Lord preached by the prophet Joel?
Galatians 2:7
Also
Peter was for the circumcision
Paul for uncircumcision
Sunday
Psalms 84:11
Malachi 4:2
The "sun god" was the
Counterfeit
@@tony1685 That's where you guys have to make everything about the Sabbath. John is talking about the second coming and being in the spirit on that day. The Day of Lord and His second coming. It's pretty simple.
@@irvingclarendon6227 the Lord's day = the 7th day Sabbath. the day of the Lord often refers to His 2nd coming.
Pray for me.
Hold on! Does scripture say anything about John working in mines on Patmos?
No lol
@@answeringadventism Which makes it all the more ironic that Doug mentions it in a presentation on the Sabbath. Just as there's no Bible verse calling Sunday the new Sabbath, there's also no Bible verse that says John worked in the coal mines on Patmos and got the Sabbath off. If anything, I always assumed that Patmos was somewhat isolated and uninhabited at the time, or else it wouldn't have been much of a punishment to exile him there.
No, but neither does it say Sunday is the Lord's day. There is no text linking Sunday to the Lord's day, INCLUDING THE FANCY GREEK WORDS he just threw at us. Linking it to the Lord's supper means John meant Sunday?? Lame. Really lame. If Sunday were the New Sabbath, Christ would have announced it loud and clear, just like He did the 4th commandment. There'd be no need to force it out of the Bible with all manner of conjecture and twisted logic.
"The FIRST DAY is a day of SABBATH rest, and the EIGHTH DAY also is a day of SABBATH REST."
~ Leviticus 23 : 39
@kimartist read the context and you will find that regulation applies only to the Festival of Tabernacles or Booths, not to every week.
It's my understanding that "The Lord's Day" refers to the second coming of Jesus!
I definitely see that argument.
Revelation 1:10
Revelation 1:10
Day after Sabbath
@@kathleenking47 Nothing in the bible shows Revelation 1:10 to be the day after Sabbath. Sorry!
The Day of the Lord is used as a reference to the second coming of Jesus
The bible doesn't give us a Sabbath for salvation, it gives us a sabbath for creation. If you want to honor the resurrection on Sunday, that's fine, but there's no command telling us to stop keeping the 7th day Sabbath.
The church Christ & the apostles established after the Resurrection was Seventh day Adventist church. There is zero place for any other denomination 👇
Acts 18:4
"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks."
In Corinth, Paul regularly preached in the synagogue on the Sabbath, teaching both Jews and Greeks.
6. Acts 18:11
"And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."
Where is your root?
Absolutely absurd.
My root is Jesus.
Your "root" is apparently in synagogues.
Doug knows the truth that the lord's day is Sunday....he just doesn't want to concede because he is afraid of loosing his position. He loves his position more than the lord.
Is Sunday the Lord's Day? The bible does not tell us this! Why would anyone concede to a non-biblical belief?
@@pdub332Like the Investigative Judgement, 2300 Year Prophecy, & 1844? Why should anyone concede to these non-biblical beliefs?
@@_thevinylflower I haven't made any statement about any of those.
The guy just said "The Lord's Day is Sunday".
That's not in the Bible, and it's also the subject at hand.
Would you like to support the Lord's Day is Sunday comment? Would love to see biblical support!
@@pdub332That’s why I’m also referring to. Non-biblical beliefs. Just as there’s no record of Sunday/Saturday Worship, these other doctrines aren’t found in scripture.
Just as your statement says, why follow non-biblical beliefs, why follow these other non-biblical beliefs?
@@_thevinylflower No record of Sunday/Saturday worship? Not sure what you mean by that as I'm quite happy with what the record shows for Sabbath worship.
I don't need anyone to concede to anything they don't see what I see in the bible for themselves.
If you don't believe there is a judgement despite what the bible says, if you don't believe 2300 days relates to years despite what the bible says, if you don't believe the start date for the 2300 years aligns with the 490 weeks prophecy which takes us to 1844, despite what the bible says, I'm not going to try to force your concession.
However, this guy was quite sure in his statement about the Lord's Day. Miles seems quite sure too. The Bible doesn't support them in any way!
The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. All this nonsense about Saturday or Sunday is irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant because God fixed His identity as the Creator on the Sabbath and no other day. Read what _He_ says about it in Exo. 20:8-11. A lot of "Christians" don't know God primarily because they reject His Sabbath and observe the traditions of counterfeit Christianity like Sunday services above His law in authority.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Identity? WHERE in the Bible does it say that God is a DAY?
What day did Adam and Eve went out from the Garden of Eden? What day was it, outside from the garden of Eden?
Yes , Sabbath was customary for the Jewish to observe and Jesus did in his Ministry until his death . After his resurrection during the 40 days before his accession into Heaven, at no time or day he ever visited a Jewish Synagogue but choose to meet his followers on the First Day of the week to break bread in their mist . Does it ring the bell that New Creation and the Lord's Day was significant for early Christians to uphold to this Day and age despite all controversial debates .
@@lavendergilbee2059 false. there was no such thing as 'jew' or 'gentile' when Adam and Eve were here -- Abram came around 2,000 yrs later. and the Lord's day, according to the Bible is the 7th day Sabbath in both OT & NT.
@@lavendergilbee2059not just customary. But a commandment written in stone that pointed back to creation. Seems kind of important to remember the commandment that starts with the word remember
Show me one verse in the NT that calls for Jewish sabbath observance.
@ show me one verse in the NT that calls for the abolition of the sabbath. If the law isn’t expressly changed then why would you assume it’s gone. Nobody argues with the other 9 commandments so why is the sabbath such a huge sticking point for people. It is true that the Jews had many “sabbaths” that were apart of their ceremonial laws and traditions but that does not include THE sabbath day which was written in stone and points back to creation recognizing God as the creator of the earth.
What does it matter ? Irregardless to what day we choose to worship on, we all fall short when it comes to fulfilling the law. In all seriousness, apart from Jesus, could we name 10 bible characters who fulfilled the law ? I challenge anybody to try and answer that question. Myles , Jim Baber , EJ Lauriston, Walter Veith, Ted Wilson , Doug Batchelor , Stephen Bohr, whoever. It's an open house question, and also could you give biblical proof as to why you think so.
It matters because rejecting God's Sabbath means rejecting Him. In Ezekiel, God goes through history of how the Israelites who perished in the desert were sentenced to die there because they profaned His Sabbaths to pursue their father's false gods, just like anti-Sabbatarians do today. Profaning God's Sabbath is STILL sin.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779it is a SIN, for jews. As it was in the Bible, for jews. Did non israelites keep the shabbat ?
@theeternalsbeliever1779 I worship everyday I rest on Sabbath Friday night to Saturday night. Jesus saves me not the day
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Why can't you answer the question regarding 10 bible characters apart from Jesus who fulfilled the law ?
The Catholic Church admits that they changed it.... The Bible says in Daniel chapter 7 that the Catholic Church would change it.... The Catholic Church admits that, if you follow Sunday instead of this seventh day sabbath, you are following her law and her mark of authority.
Sorry, but you don't have an argument.... The Lord's day can only be the 7th day.
@Outlander-wm9cd John was in vision that culminated in the return of Jesus. That is the Lords Day. If it was so salvic important why didn't he just say the Sabbath?
We’ve addressed this so many times at this point it’s hard to even take seriously. Stop twisting history along with Roman Catholic claims to try and claim things they aren’t.
No, the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t “admit they changed it”-by which you guys mean “the pope changed the sabbath.”
Literally all of your guys favorite lies around this subject are addressed here: answeringadventism.com/did-the-pope-change-the-sabbath/
Don't make claims show evidence. We ain't drinking your spoiled milk.
@@answeringadventism You've addressed nothing. You keep making ridiculous claims When I can go into the convert's catechism and various other teachings throughout recent history And see it with my own two eyes. Stop lying, it doesn't look good.
@AWW8472 Sunday is our mark of authority... The church is above the Bible and transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.
- Catholic record of London, Ontario, September 1st 1923.
.... You already drunk the sour milk.
Myles you are confused candidate...😮
11 - 22 - 24
Adventism is Mormonism
You're Mormonism!
...that's hilarious.
11 - 23 - 24
LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
SAME AS...........
SDA : Teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
( Ellen G White
May 16 , 1895
The Signs of the Times )
LDS : Joseph Smith was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
SAME AS............
SDA : Ellen G White was ALSO a SELF proclaimed Spirit of Prophecy
@@porfiriojohn5276 Hope you understand, you're still a Mormon, whereas my sins are blotted out! Thanks!
Smh
Lord's Day Belongs To Sabbath Day ( Saturday ) .
There wasn’t any form of religion in Genesis 1 and God rested from His work after He created man and placed him on earth to represent God ,to procreate on earth.
This sabbath ambiguous idea have eliminated the full purpose and potential of the creation of man in Genesis 1 that Christ came to restore ,sacrificed at Calvary .Man was created in the image and likeness of God to have dominion,authority over all creation or circumstances of life.We have been transformed to that image by the Holy Spirit (2Corinthians 3:18)
Jesus came to restore our dominion mandate .Jesus never preached the sabbath but heal people on the sabbath ,rebuked the religious people and said I am Lord of the sabbath.Christ gave back our power and dominion over the kingdom of darkness by the Holy Spirit.We REST in Christ after our born again experience.
Jesus said in
🔥John 14:12
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
🔥Mathew 12:28
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
EGWhite had misconstrued the bible and SDA’s have lost,misinterpreted the original intention of the creation of man that Christ came to restore.Christ died for mankind ,for us to rediscover our purpose Christ didn’t die for a physical day..
16:19 Hey Myles, you keep saying that the Sabbath of creation was man’s first day. It wasn’t though-it was Adam’s second day. What’s up with that?
Nope-I address that here in the first 2 minutes: th-cam.com/users/livesz19ugwOf2s?si=2I7uLufuV6bfTxS-
@ I think I need a clearer chart or something. Adam was created on the six day of creation. How is the sixth day not his first day-sabbath his second?
I’m not trying to be annoying, it just really is not making sense to me.
Were you able to watch the first couple minutes of that video I linked? Jews counted days from evening to evening. Adam didn't experience evening to evening on the 6th day. The close of his first day would have been the evening of the 7th. (Evening of the 6th to evening of the 7th).
@ I did, and it sounds like I am not misunderstanding the logic then.
It doesn’t make sense to me because we don’t say things this way any other time.
For instance: Your birthday isn’t your first full day, it’s the current day when you came into the world. Your first full day is your second day of existence.
My worry is that this line of argumentation is so clearly faulty that SDAs will use it as an excuse to dismiss the argument entirely.
In Norwegian Saturday is called Lørdag which sounds like Lord’s Day but everyone just do what you feel is right. One day all will be answered.
Not shabbat?
I also know, in german
the pronouns, for sun and moon are "reversed":
Sun is feminine
Moon is masculine?
Even though
Women have 28 day cycles with menses?
@@kathleenking47 A little besides the point but ok... not sure I see the connection.
The day Jesus walk out of the tomb is not the "Lords day" it is "The Day of the Lord"..
Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul attended synagogues on Sabbath so it wasn’t changed.
@@mrnelsonmandelamark the synagogue isn’t where the Christian church was worshiping.
You think Peter and Paul attended the synagogue to worship Jesus with Jews who rejected Jesus? And this was a Christian church service? lol
They were at the synagogue doing EVANGELISM, not Christian church service. They literally gotten beaten and thrown out of the synagogue for their evangelism there. That wasn’t church.
@ We must all agree on one foundational truth: the Sabbath was never changed by anyone. To reject the Sabbath is to reject the authority of the entire law, and as we know from Scripture, the Ten Commandments cannot be refuted (James 2:10). Paul further emphasizes this in Romans 3:31, affirming that the law is upheld, not abolished, through faith in Christ. In Revelation, we are told that the Devil specifically attacks the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17, 14:12), which underscores the importance of God’s law. Jesus Himself spoke extensively on this matter, even declaring in Mark 2:28, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath,” giving clear guidance on how we are to honor it. Furthermore, in Matthew 5:17, Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. He warns that those who teach men to break God’s commandments will be least in His kingdom, but those who teach and obey them will be great (Matthew 5:19). So, I must wonder why there is such a strong push to lead the church astray with doctrines that contradict the clear teachings of Scripture.
Right, you just ignored the fact that what you originally claimed is false. The apostles were not worshiping Jesus in the synagogue with Jews who rejected Jesus. So stop appealing to those verses to try and bolster seventh-day sabbatarianism. They were doing evangelism there. It wasn't a Christian church service.
Rambling on about the law when I'm not an antinomian is irrelevant. You guys assume everyone who disagrees with you must hate the law and be an antinomian and we aren't.
@@answeringadventism It’s not “7th Sabbaterism,” as you ignorantly claimed-it’s a commandment directly from God Himself. Have you even read Isaiah 66:23, where it states the Sabbath is eternal, continuing even in the new heavens and the new earth? It’s clear you haven’t. I’ve tried to see the logic behind observing the first day of the week as holy, but it simply doesn’t hold up, biblically or otherwise. Even the secular world seems to recognize the sanctity of the seventh day. Think about it: Friday is universally known as a preparation day. Clubs are packed Friday night through early Saturday morning, but the same cannot be said for Saturday night into Sunday-most people are too busy nursing hangovers. It’s almost like God left His design embedded into creation itself, leaving us without excuse (Romans 1:20).
Now, with your doctrine, where is the foundation? Where is the moral reference point? The Bible explicitly declares in Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 that God’s faithful people follow His commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. The Sabbath, mentioned over 150 times throughout Scripture, stands out as a commandment of unique importance. Yet you claim Jesus abolished the law? Funny, because Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it-and that teaching others to break even the least of these commandments makes one the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Let’s not forget those famous “proof texts” in Colossians 2 and Hebrews 4. You use them to argue the Sabbath was abolished, yet they don’t actually say that. Instead, they point to the deeper rest we find in Christ, not the removal of God’s moral law. And here you are, telling people to observe Sunday-a day with zero biblical foundation-as sacred. Isn’t that ironic for someone claiming to follow sola scriptura?
I respect honesty, even in disagreement. I’ve spoken to atheists, Muslims, and others who at least don’t pretend the Sabbath was abolished without biblical evidence. But taking one commandment out of ten, teaching it’s no longer valid, and expecting people to believe you? That’s laughable. 😅
@@answeringadventism We must all agree on one foundational truth: the Sabbath was never changed by anyone. To reject the Sabbath is to reject the authority of the entire law, and as we know from Scripture, the Ten Commandments cannot be refuted (James 2:10). Paul further emphasizes this in Romans 3:31, affirming that the law is upheld, not abolished, through faith in Christ. In Revelation, we are told that the Devil specifically attacks the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17, 14:12), which underscores the importance of God’s law. Jesus Himself spoke extensively on this matter, even declaring in Mark 2:28, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath,” giving clear guidance on how we are to honor it. Furthermore, in Matthew 5:17, Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. He warns that those who teach men to break God’s commandments will be least in His kingdom, but those who teach and obey them will be great (Matthew 5:19). So, I must wonder why there is such a strong push to lead the church astray with doctrines that contradict the clear teachings of Scripture.
Wrong the Lords day is when Gon raised Jesus from the dead. Twas Sunday. Math 28:9
where was that command given? It wasnt!
@@brmead3133 ever read the first 9 verses of Mathew 28? starts of : after the Sabbath on the first day of the week.. then read on up to verse 9. whats all this describing?
Jesus was resurrected on the afternoon of the weekly Sabbath following His crucifixion, not Sunday. The Bible conclusively teaches that He died around 3 p.m. on Passover Wednesday and was resurrected 3 days later at the same time, according to His own prophecy where declared in Matt. that He will be dead for exactly 72 hrs.
@@kotchstevens2321 oh wow....Like Matthew 28 is the new 10 commandments. That is a very poor answer.
@@brmead3133 There is no "new 10 commandments."
I'm not going to say that Ignatius was a heretic or an Apostate or that any of these people weren't true Christians -- they were just wrong on this issue.
Being wrong on the issue makes someone a heretic and not a true follower of Christ, especially if it completely contradicts God's doctrines. The Bible is pretty straightforward on this.
If you want to celebrate Christ's resurrection on Sunday, that's up to you. However, the 7 day Sabbath will forever be a memorial of creation, and God as the Creator, who requires worship from all created beings on the 7th day of rest.
Where does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a memorial of creation?
@@kimartist "Where does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a memorial of creation?"
*"God did Institute the old Sabbath was because God would have it kept as a memorial of the creation"*
Kim do you agree with this?
Yes rest not worship we worship everyday ❤
@@kimfersner1916 "Yes rest not worship we worship everyday"
Kim is there a difference between personal worship "everyday" and corporate worship "assembling ourselves together" at a certain time regularly, weekly that is?
@@kimfersner1916 are you @kimartist?
ask him when the Lord rose from the dead...it aint Saturday
Is that relevant?
Why do you keep erasing my comment when it debunks the adventists?
If you disagree with it, why not refute it or ask me inregrlards to it?
You give the impression that you don't care for truth, but for promoting your ideas and videos, not allowing for your edification. Probably afraid that you would have to remove this video if it's proven false, but a man of God would simply correct or remove the video and make a correct one, not erase a differing message on a thread.
You think truth is your game?
Grow up. My comments gets deleted across TH-cam on many if different topics. It is the TH-cam algorithm. He does not censor or delete your comments.
These non-internet-savvy SDAs are really embarrassing 🙄
I feel so sorry for you! What happened to you? Were you physically, emotionally, or spiritually abused by someone in the Adventist faith? Not many people have this much hate within themselves when doing nothing but going after the object of their hate in any way they can. You need lots of prayer! You do not act the way Christ wants us to act! There's one thing that I find absolutely hysterical is when young people who didn't live in the last century or were born in the last decade of the last century and they think that they know more than people who have been studying the Bible for at least two of their lifetimes! Someone who hasn't yet learned that they don't know everything still believes that they know more than people who have spent decades reading and studying the Bible. Once you finally grow up you'll realize that it's immature pride that makes you think that you know more than your elders! It's like this lady who thinks the earth is flat! No matter how much truth that they are presented with, they close their eyes, and nope, I don't agree. So you're gonna disagree because you think you're right and everyone else is wrong if they don't fit your narrative. It gets funnier when you won't sit and debate with these kinds of people because you know that you can't do your biblical gymnastics and fool them! Pastor Doug Batchelor has had a forum where a Sunday keeping pastor came and stated his facts followed by Pr. Doug Batchelor stating his point. The other pastor was put out with how Pr. Doug was so kind and happy and stated his side so eloquently and truthfully. I have to say to anyone who listens to you that they need to balance what you say with people who have actually studied and have degrees and 40+ years of experience! I hope that you can make peace with your past before it's too late!
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Too late for what? Are you insinuating sabbath is a salvation requirement? If so, you believe in salvation by works.
Ans there it is. It's your way to salvation and everyone else is wrong.
God had John write the book of Revelation on the "Lord's Day" (Revelation 1:11) Writing a book is a lot of work. Pretty strange if God wanted Christians to keep the sabbath??
the Lord's day IS the Sabbath.
@@tony1685 Why did God have John do work on the sabbath if Christians are to keep it????
@@theextreme7134 apparently writing what's spoken to them isn't work. it sounds like one of the created rules the pharisees would have created in their effort to make the Sabbath seem to be a burden to Christians.
@@tony1685 Apparently you're in denial like every other SDA.
@@theextreme7134 your post lacks in Scripture proof.
Miles! Oh Miles! There no way you are right.
Exo 20:10 KJV But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. .
@@mrfelix2510 only because you don’t know what Christian’s mean when they use the phrase “Jewish sabbath.” You’d benefit from watching the entire presentation this clip is from.
Exodus 20:10 isn’t Revelation 1:10. So nice try, but you didn’t prove anything.
We shall see… if you’re right then Adventism be damn… but if Adventist are right… then you’d be damned….
It is better to believe the bible than any other
He is right..
The Lord's day is the 7th day of the week .. Isaiah 58:13&14 read this how did God bless 7th day ...
Jesus set the example and on the Saturday Sabbath often went to temple. So by calling myself a Christian a follower of Christ. I follow his exsmple of keeping the Saturdsy Sabbath. The Sunday tradition only started hundreds of years later and nowhere did Jesus say he came to Abolish the law but rather fulfill it. Keep it simple, Sabbath is simply there some man can rest from his labour and acknowledge that God is his creator and spend some time with him. Hopefully people who believe still have open minds and can discover for themselves the truth with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. From a former Staunch Anglican. Stay Blessed
Read the Bible and learn history , the early church worshipped on Sunday.
400Ad is not the early church....
John the apostle was earlier than 400 ad
@@jsimoes9424 The general acceptance of the change for churches to gather and congregate was around 400AD largely instilled by Constantine because Sundays were market days, History records that even St Patrick of Ireland kept a Saturday Sabbath, not telling anyone what to believe but worth researching and making up your own mind and never ever base a massive belief on one line of scripture alone
@@jsimoes9424 Yes, John the apostle was earlier than 400Ad. That tells us nothing about worshipping on Sunday.
I thought its God's Sabbath .
Were you made for the sabbath?
It is indeed God's Sabbath. Amen!
@@nonconformist4802 Why the irrelevant question? Jesus has answered this already.
@@pdub332
True, what a stupid question, nobody was made for the sabbath.
Its only the modern-day pharisees that wants to enforced it on everybody, for they can't handle it that we are saved by faith and not by the works of the law.
@@nonconformist4802 I agree it shouldn't be forced. That's legalism. But it doesn't relate to the opening comment regarding it being God's Sabbath.
Exodus 20:8-11 shows the sanctified, blessed, chuch, Holy, Lord's day can only be the 7th day Sabbath -- the other 6 are 'work days'.
So, does God still require animal sacrifices to atone for sin? Or are you picking and choosing which laws to follow?
We actually have a weekend 😊
Sabbath is 7th day
Lords Day is Sunday
PSALM 84:11
Malachi 4:2
However, I could go on either..
Would an Adventist go to
Church on the 1st(8th) day
As a guest?
I go to their churches
Sometimes
Colossians 2:15-16
Paul didn't bring up Sabbath to gentiles
Just the others
@@jayskull935
Today
It's the counterfeit
Like voodoo
Tony, please learn to listen.
@@jayskull935 Jesus atones for sin. No need for animal sacrifices.
The day of the Lord (or the Lord's day) hasn't arrived yet it's the day of his return.
John wasn’t in the spirit on the day that Jesus returned (Rev. 1:10). Day of the Lord is different than the Lord’s Day.
@answeringadventism I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet..." (NKJV)
According to this verse, yes, John was "in the Spirit" on the day Jesus returned to him in vision, which is often interpreted as the "Lord's Day" (Sunday). This phrase "in the Spirit" suggests that John was in a state of spiritual ecstasy or prophetic trance, receiving a divine revelation from God.
@@robertanoble6433 the Lord's day is the 7th day Sabbath -- the day of the Lord, as you've been told, is the day He returns.
neither is indicated as the 1st day, sunday.
@@tony1685 we know, we know, we know. You have stated this multiple times. We know.
@@tony1685
It is obvious that resurrection day, is the day the Lord Made.
Resurrection day is Sunday.
Sunday is the day the Lord made!
The first day (Sunday) is the Lord's Day!
You have to go outside the Bible to prove your point, as with Ignatius. Who's gonna believe you? The ones who want the Sabbath done away with, and favor Sunday observance (of which Jesus said nothing), they are eager to believe you. I can just hear them now, saying, "And that's right! Amen!" You have the majority agreeing with you.
Actually, you have to go outside the Bible to prove the SDA message. You have to go to a 19th prophet. You didn't listen carefully, did you? Are you going to listen to a disciple of the Apostle John, or are you going to listen to a 19th century "prophet"?
@donwhitt you have to go outside the bible to prove sunday is the mark of the beast. The bible says no such thing.
And you have to go outside the Bible to prove SDA theology. The hypocrisy is second to none.
@@jimmu2008 Being a disciple of John doesn't qualify him if his doctrine is contrary to what Jesus Christ taught. You measure his or anybody else's doctrine by one standard, as found in 2 John V9: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son". Jesus never taught any of that stuff that Ignatius taught.
@@donwhitt9899 that is where you are badly mistaken. Ignatius taught what the Apostles taught. That being said, the standard you just asserted should unquestionably disqualify EGW as a prophet. She taught all kinds of things that are either in in conflict with what Jesus taught or in addition to what is taught in the Bible or ANY Christian authority.
Finding my way to legacy through studying the books of Dead sister white other than looking up to Jesus Christ the Arthur and finisher of our faith 😢😢 that alone is a prove that sister white has more than we think
She called you an amalgamated beast.
Looking to know Jesus Christ through sermons by SDA pastors, 😂😂 tattoos is really useless, If you want to know about Jesus Christ, you study the Bible not studying other Christians to the Bible
Right, start by ignoring Ellen
@jsimoes9424 your gospel is loosing meaning bro, Taking time to compare yourselves with SDA pastors and with one another; which Bible Are you reading????
@jsimoes9424 secondly i can't ignore her writings because there's something in them! Because if she died so Many years back and even critics everywhere are trying to twist her WRITINGS to soot their Ideologies and make themselves popular in TH-cam that means her WRITINGS are inspired
@@okwijames947 You cite her more than Jesus Christ. She is your Savior. The one who said you are an animal offspring. How blind are you?
@Donatello-b4x pope said he is God, Do you see me blaming you for worshiping him vicara fildei
As an SDA I admire the time and effort you take to create these videos. However, if you believe in "sola scriptura" then it greatly retracts from your validity when you constantly reference Ignatius, Cyprian and other Christian writers. The Bible should explain itself, and there's no need to reference Christian authors who are not part of the 66 cannon. And before you come at me, I do not believe EGW should be used to interpret the Bible or supplement its teachings.
You cannot be an SDA and not believe EGW isn't the foundation for every thing the movement stands for or looked through the lens of this woman. You just can't.
@@Donatello-b4x Her writings are not quoted anywhere in the 28 fundamental beliefs. So to say she is the foundation for everything we stand for is incorrect. Believing her writings isn't even a requirement for church membership. Many SDAs do not hold her in prophetic authority and they still allowed to be members.
@@mmorgan95
You have it wrong, or you do play a deceptive card here.
Go read No.18 again and this round acknowledge the fact that you are a deceiver and not simply wrong on the subject.
@@nonconformist4802 I am quoting it word for word:
Fundamental belief #18:
"The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy.
This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church.
They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."
No where does it mention that her writings are used to interpret the Bible. If I'm missing something please share :)
@@mmorgan95
Also you have said, but for some strange reason unknown to me, you refused to mentioned it.
"Your own words"
1) Her writings are not quoted anywhere in the 28 fundamental beliefs.
2) So to say she is the foundation for everything we stand for is incorrect.
3) Believing her writings isn't even a requirement for church membership
4) Many SDAs do not hold her in prophetic authority and they still allowed to be members.
You have copied it word for word and you missed this part --> "Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. "
Do you have comprehension problems or what?
And No, you won't be a member of the SDA if you don't accept the 28 fundamental believes. So each and every member must accept her as a prophet to be part of the church.
Way to go. Doug references EG White and this guy quotes all sorts of papist church fathers. Who's really gone outside of scripture.
Even with the supposed gotcha greek, it still isn't evidence the Lord's day is Sunday. He's taking an insane leap of conjecture, just like all the other nonsense explanations of the 1st day verses by Sunday advocates.
There is absolutely no evidence Christ made Sunday sacred anywhere in scripture. If Sunday were to be part of the New Covenant, Christ would have made that very clear BEFORE SEALING THE NEW COVENANT WITH HIS BLOOD. No such text exists. Only God can make a new Sabbath.
@@danielcristancho3738 right you don’t understand Hebrews 4. Thanks
"The FIRST DAY is a day of SABBATH REST, and the EIGHTH DAY also is a day of SABBATH REST."
~ Leviticus 23 : 39
There is no 8th day ANY WHERE IN SCRIPTURE, ESPECIALLY in reference to Sunday sacredness. That is a papist made up day.
"Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the EIGHTH DAY."
~ Exodus 22 : 30
"On the EIGHTH DAY Moses summoned Aaron and his sons and the elders of Israel."
~ Leviticus 9 : 1
"On the EIGHTH DAY the boy is to be circumcised."
~ Leviticus 12 : 3
"On the EIGHTH DAY they must bring two male lambs and one ewe lamb a year old, each without defect, along with three-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, and one log of oil."
~ Leviticus 14 : 10
"On the EIGHTH DAY they must bring them for their cleansing to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting, before the Lord."
~ Leviticus 14 : 23