Thank you Marty for that brilliant tip to extend the life of the frame bushings. I just replaced all 4 of my frame bushings and ordered the 2 sets(front & back) you recommended from PBS. I will follow your suggestion with the newly cut bushing inserts to help my new bushings last longer. 👍...You're awesome, when I grow I want to be like you...
Today's December 28th 2023 I was doing those bushing yesterday. Lowering the sub frame is no big deal. If you have the car in the air. I mean on the lift. But to replace the Bushings it's a whole different story.
Thank you Marty! I had the entire subframe assembly replaced less than a year ago and the bushings are already heavily worn (my car sounds like its going to fall apart when I am driving it). I tried to search online for polyurethane bushings to replace the stock ones and could not find anything. Now I have the PSB Bushing's bookmarked!
Thank you very much. I've recently replaced the subframe on 2009 Nissan Sentra (~65K, but I hit smth on the road), since dealer can't replace just bushing (no OEM on that part). $2000, but I asked to have the old subframe back to install on it bushing and have it ready, since it is such a frequent problem. I always try to double check the torques and everything, bcs the work of dealers is not really professional from my point of view. It was helpful for me to see, that you can remove those bolts one by one. I do many things on the cars, but that subframe looked too heavy to me to handle. I also think maybe to add those protective part, as shown in this great film. Thank you again.
Awesome, i was trying to see if anyone knew a way to fix it with out having to lower the subframe. I was thinking of stuffing it with stuff or a bushing and you sir, gave me that information. Mine rattles a lot and that will solve it. Thank you!
If you are looking for a "End of life" fix for a car that is rusted to the point trying to replace these bushings would "total" the car in broken bolts and labor cost, You can fill these gaps with a thing called "3M window weld". Comes in a tube like caulk or silicon sealant, Hardens like these bushings hes installing. The windows in your car, are being held in by this stuff. Now if you ever intend to fix it properly.. DO NOT DO THIS. This is for the special case, Salt Belt northern cars that are too far gone to dump the time and money into, but still drive fine for the most part.
@crisnmaryfam7344 Hi I have a question. When using 3M window weld. Do I need to jump the car frame up or not? And when I'm applying the 3M. I just fill in all around the empty gap area right?
Thanks for the insight on the PSB. I'm going to install them to keep the subframe from sitting on the washers...my bushings are shot. It should also put the subframe at about the right height and stop the noise from it chucking around.. I know it's not the correct fix.
Well it’s been a couple months now, so how did they work out for you? I have to do the same thing to my Sentra and I don’t want to drop the subframe to replace the bushings.
Note, This is apparently a problem on a number of Nissans from idk.. 2006 (maybe earlier even). I have a 2011 Versa S sedan, Its ever so slightly different than the Rogue or other models, but similar enough you could almost take parts form one and put on the other like a lot of Hondas/Subarus. The Subframe support brace also does this knocking noise when these bushings get worn out. People have replaced Everything in the front end, when it wasnt technically needed yet, chasing a knock, only to find out it was the subframe or subframe brace bushings.
I have a 2017 and I have a strong suspicion of bad subframe bushings. The steering is loose and imprecise and I often hear a clunk when going over a bump. Sometimes I hear a squeal that was not always there and it may be tire related and making it easy to assume the problems are all in the tires. This is despite the bushings being worn out. You can imagine how frustrating it makes tracking this problem down. That is especially true since it has similar symptoms to other problems. I had this thing at a dealer twice and they could not find anything wrong but I hear those bushings in question here are easily overlooked. I had this thing at a Nissan dealer hoping they would find the problem the first time since they see so many of these vehicles they probably have dreams and nightmares of them! Because of this it is amazingly easy to hit a curb and in winter weather it feels even more dangerous. That last part is especially true since I lived on back roads where if you slid off you may be stuck in between some trees on a precarious hillside (not fun as you may have imagined). These bushings may be the reason why this thing does not handle as well as it did when it had just 7 miles on it. Honestly the more I have to put up with this bad handling the more I pray that the CVT finally goes out and I have an excuse to get a vehicle that hopefully doesn't have this kind of problem. It is easy to hope for that since these CVTs are known for being unreliable. Nissan must have been sued a zillion times because of the things since 2003 when they introduced those abominations to the market!
There isn't enough room inside the tube for the whole thing to fit. It will bottom out against the end of the bushing (the actual bushing is shaped like a lollipop. He trimmed it to the size of the exposed shaft and is inserting it from the bottom (like covering the stick of a lollipop). The other end of the bushing (the lollipop end) is sitting against the body of the car).
Good job sir. This is not just a failure with the bushings, but the design in general. So prevalent among Nissan cars for so many manufacturing years that "recalls" should have been issued and Polyurethane Bushings should have been used to replace the shoddy Chinese rubber bushings Nissan used to be cheap. On top of what is simply poor engineering unless you are talking about engineering to save a buck and pull one over on the customer. Poor and Irresponsible Japanese engineering, yes there is such a thing Nissan. I don't see how This design and use of a subframe and corresponding rubber bushings can be favorable to the occupants if in a wreck.
The height of the new insert bushing is too tall. Cutting it lets it push up against the existing rubber bushing and still allow the bolt/washer to push properly up against the bushing inner sleeve. The new insert bushing is meant to replace the entire bushing AND solve the problem of the factory bushing being too short. Thats why its double the height of the original bushing. So he cuts it, because hes not replacing bad bushings, rather hes filling the gap that exists from the factory bushings being too short. Stay gold.
@@dnlmachine4287 Pls could you tell, if I plan to install the new bushings, can I use the shown OSB bushings without cutting. It is for 2009 Nissan Sentra. Dealer replaced the frame w/busted bushings, but I took the old frame and plan to install there new bushings. I bought the set already, they are same as original. I think I still would need to cut those additional PSB bushings fm/this film, but not sure. Thank you for you interesting and useful comment.
@@olenaerhardt7725 If you have the subframe off you can get special poly bushings MADE for those spots, This is a special fix made for a slightly different case. If you have the subframe off installing, proper, better bushings would be the ideal scenario.
I did the two front ones and the cars turning went so much easer and better! Its like the first bit of turning has only been moving the subframe before real turning happening :). Two days later I did the other two and if became to stiff for my taste with to much road feel (Vibrations)! I dont know if it's because of the polyester bushings or a messed upp the front origanal bushings by lowering the subframe a bit with the front ones still attached. Im about to remove the two rear ones but if I messed up im blowing up my car!
@@Toshifer Polyurethane, Not polyester. You are likely feeling vibrations that were already there, Just feel them more now, due to it being transferred through the bushing better, You might look elsewear for the source of the issue. Trans mount bushings, engine mounts, they are known to go bad on nissans too. It is also possible if you pried on the bushings while half the subframe was still installed, that you tore them. They are notoriously cheap/weak. People hit an opossum or racoon and come in needing them replaced.
Thank you Marty for that brilliant tip to extend the life of the frame bushings. I just replaced all 4 of my frame bushings and ordered the 2 sets(front & back) you recommended from PBS. I will follow your suggestion with the newly cut bushing inserts to help my new bushings last longer.
👍...You're awesome, when I grow I want to be like you...
Today's December 28th 2023 I was doing those bushing yesterday. Lowering the sub frame is no big deal. If you have the car in the air. I mean on the lift. But to replace the Bushings it's a whole different story.
Martys granddaughter is a lucky lady. Nice work sir.
Stay gold.
Sincerely appreciate you Mr. Marty!
And whoever marries her will be one lucky dog.🥰
Thank you Marty! I had the entire subframe assembly replaced less than a year ago and the bushings are already heavily worn (my car sounds like its going to fall apart when I am driving it).
I tried to search online for polyurethane bushings to replace the stock ones and could not find anything. Now I have the PSB Bushing's bookmarked!
This is a awesome solution!!! 🎉🎉🎉 many people don’t know that gap is what will wear down the bushing over time
Excellent video for you Mr. Marty! Great idea and it save me time and a hard job! Really appreciate you helping me extend my 2009 Nissan rogue life!
Thank you very much. I've recently replaced the subframe on 2009 Nissan Sentra (~65K, but I hit smth on the road), since dealer can't replace just bushing (no OEM on that part). $2000, but I asked to have the old subframe back to install on it bushing and have it ready, since it is such a frequent problem. I always try to double check the torques and everything, bcs the work of dealers is not really professional from my point of view. It was helpful for me to see, that you can remove those bolts one by one. I do many things on the cars, but that subframe looked too heavy to me to handle. I also think maybe to add those protective part, as shown in this great film. Thank you again.
Omg that's literally what I was planning to do. Using the long bolt and washer to sandwich everything together will attempt tomorrow
Awesome, i was trying to see if anyone knew a way to fix it with out having to lower the subframe. I was thinking of stuffing it with stuff or a bushing and you sir, gave me that information. Mine rattles a lot and that will solve it. Thank you!
If you are looking for a "End of life" fix for a car that is rusted to the point trying to replace these bushings would "total" the car in broken bolts and labor cost, You can fill these gaps with a thing called "3M window weld". Comes in a tube like caulk or silicon sealant, Hardens like these bushings hes installing. The windows in your car, are being held in by this stuff. Now if you ever intend to fix it properly.. DO NOT DO THIS. This is for the special case, Salt Belt northern cars that are too far gone to dump the time and money into, but still drive fine for the most part.
@crisnmaryfam7344 Hi I have a question. When using 3M window weld. Do I need to jump the car frame up or not? And when I'm applying the 3M. I just fill in all around the empty gap area right?
Thank you, Marty! We appreciate you, sir.
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Thanks for the insight on the PSB. I'm going to install them to keep the subframe from sitting on the washers...my bushings are shot. It should also put the subframe at about the right height and stop the noise from it chucking around.. I know it's not the correct fix.
Well it’s been a couple months now, so how did they work out for you? I have to do the same thing to my Sentra and I don’t want to drop the subframe to replace the bushings.
Did you ever wind up doing this fix? How did it work out for you? @@jimseiberlich4360
Note, This is apparently a problem on a number of Nissans from idk.. 2006 (maybe earlier even). I have a 2011 Versa S sedan, Its ever so slightly different than the Rogue or other models, but similar enough you could almost take parts form one and put on the other like a lot of Hondas/Subarus. The Subframe support brace also does this knocking noise when these bushings get worn out. People have replaced Everything in the front end, when it wasnt technically needed yet, chasing a knock, only to find out it was the subframe or subframe brace bushings.
I have a 2017 and I have a strong suspicion of bad subframe bushings. The steering is loose and imprecise and I often hear a clunk when going over a bump. Sometimes I hear a squeal that was not always there and it may be tire related and making it easy to assume the problems are all in the tires. This is despite the bushings being worn out. You can imagine how frustrating it makes tracking this problem down. That is especially true since it has similar symptoms to other problems. I had this thing at a dealer twice and they could not find anything wrong but I hear those bushings in question here are easily overlooked. I had this thing at a Nissan dealer hoping they would find the problem the first time since they see so many of these vehicles they probably have dreams and nightmares of them! Because of this it is amazingly easy to hit a curb and in winter weather it feels even more dangerous. That last part is especially true since I lived on back roads where if you slid off you may be stuck in between some trees on a precarious hillside (not fun as you may have imagined). These bushings may be the reason why this thing does not handle as well as it did when it had just 7 miles on it. Honestly the more I have to put up with this bad handling the more I pray that the CVT finally goes out and I have an excuse to get a vehicle that hopefully doesn't have this kind of problem. It is easy to hope for that since these CVTs are known for being unreliable. Nissan must have been sued a zillion times because of the things since 2003 when they introduced those abominations to the market!
What did you find out? Look into sway bar bushings as well you will hear a clunking sound when going over bumps. Subframe also has 4 bushings total.
Great great great idea it works for me perfectly in a sentra 2012
excellent work
Great upgrade. Send that information to Nissan
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Thanks for the video ❤
Thanks for the helpful video
great job very helpful 👍
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Thanks sir
I just want to know what generic bushings those are
please help. Could you provide me with the name of that rubber and where did you buy it?...I'm from Mexico
Why did you saw off that piece? It seems that it would've been stronger/firmer with that extra length.
There isn't enough room inside the tube for the whole thing to fit. It will bottom out against the end of the bushing (the actual bushing is shaped like a lollipop. He trimmed it to the size of the exposed shaft and is inserting it from the bottom (like covering the stick of a lollipop). The other end of the bushing (the lollipop end) is sitting against the body of the car).
Good job sir. This is not just a failure with the bushings, but the design in general. So prevalent among Nissan cars for so many manufacturing years that "recalls" should have been issued and Polyurethane Bushings should have been used to replace the shoddy Chinese rubber bushings Nissan used to be cheap. On top of what is simply poor engineering unless you are talking about engineering to save a buck and pull one over on the customer. Poor and Irresponsible Japanese engineering, yes there is such a thing Nissan. I don't see how This design and use of a subframe and corresponding rubber bushings can be favorable to the occupants if in a wreck.
Interesting don’t have to replace the whole thing
Can I do this without removing the tires or is that a must? I’d rather just put a jack under the frame when removing the bushings
You can jack up just the subframe and leave the tires on.
@@_RiseAgainstTHANK YOU!
How did you get those bushings out?
whats the size frame bushing bolt my fell off and need to get it replaced HELP!!
Did you find a bolt size?
Dealer will sell you one can’t be too much money plus it’s a critical part you want the correct metal strength. Bolts are rated for strength.
Why do you need to cut them?
The height of the new insert bushing is too tall. Cutting it lets it push up against the existing rubber bushing and still allow the bolt/washer to push properly up against the bushing inner sleeve.
The new insert bushing is meant to replace the entire bushing AND solve the problem of the factory bushing being too short. Thats why its double the height of the original bushing. So he cuts it, because hes not replacing bad bushings, rather hes filling the gap that exists from the factory bushings being too short.
Stay gold.
So he’s leaving the original bushings in place and installing the new ones on the bottom and tightening to eliminate the gap? Is that correct?
@@dnlmachine4287 Pls could you tell, if I plan to install the new bushings, can I use the shown OSB bushings without cutting. It is for 2009 Nissan Sentra. Dealer replaced the frame w/busted bushings, but I took the old frame and plan to install there new bushings. I bought the set already, they are same as original. I think I still would need to cut those additional PSB bushings fm/this film, but not sure. Thank you for you interesting and useful comment.
@@olenaerhardt7725 If you have the subframe off you can get special poly bushings MADE for those spots, This is a special fix made for a slightly different case. If you have the subframe off installing, proper, better bushings would be the ideal scenario.
Im about to get under my car right now!
I did the two front ones and the cars turning went so much easer and better! Its like the first bit of turning has only been moving the subframe before real turning happening :). Two days later I did the other two and if became to stiff for my taste with to much road feel (Vibrations)! I dont know if it's because of the polyester bushings or a messed upp the front origanal bushings by lowering the subframe a bit with the front ones still attached. Im about to remove the two rear ones but if I messed up im blowing up my car!
@@Toshifer Polyurethane, Not polyester. You are likely feeling vibrations that were already there, Just feel them more now, due to it being transferred through the bushing better, You might look elsewear for the source of the issue. Trans mount bushings, engine mounts, they are known to go bad on nissans too.
It is also possible if you pried on the bushings while half the subframe was still installed, that you tore them. They are notoriously cheap/weak. People hit an opossum or racoon and come in needing them replaced.