@@chefvr6 just switch the dsg over to full manual and you have the same thrill as a normal manual gearbox. Really don't understand why people will want a classic clutch compared to a dual electronic clutch.
In this video the TCR is the winner, it’s clear that the TCR wasn’t launched properly, there is No delay with the car and it’s DSG gearbox... there was definitely a delay with the driver.
All companies make mistakes man, the more complicated the design of the engine means more work. Vw definitely over complicates things but for a gti I am pretty impressed. For a stock type r I am also fairly impressed... I imagine the stock clutch is pretty weak on that honda to say da least
basslover352 my logic is simple: you should compare same things. Or at least somehow similar. We'll see what you are going to say with the new Type R that is going to come with awd and 400+ hp. Till then, have fun losing races vs civics
@@NikosKalantasTouKabourdirhTouK Pretty flawed logic if you ask me. It's like the people that say oh if my car was turbocharged, i'd beat this and that. I could also care less about the type R. It's not for me. Over styled and very bland sounding 4 cylinder. I'd rather have a good old school honda that revs high and screams up top if we're talking honda. I could care less about a 400hp awd civic that's a rumor and has electric motors in the rear (ill pass).
If a launch control has a 2s delay from the moment you lift up your foot from the brake, then why not lift it up 2s before race start to compensate. No way can a Civic Type R beat a TCR in a drag race. Come on guys do it again!!!!!
Oh goodness another one to start fights lol... 🔥🔥🔥why didnt you guys give it another go like with the BMW and Jag can see the golf took ages to start. Would have been more close also put all 4 side by side and Duke it out like men yes they will fit!
Would totally defeat the point...the Type R is a car designed entirely to be fast and engaging on a track, a DCT would make it a bit faster sure but less fun and to be honest they tip the scales towards serious more than fun as it is. If you want to go fast in a straight line, FWD is a pretty silly choice anyway. I say all that having seriously considered an FK8 Type R earlier this year, but it was disappointing on the test drive. Not bad by any means, but too serious and sounds pretty awful. Very practical and surprisingly comfy though. I bought a 981 Cayman S instead because screw practical and comfy, I want to go broom broom and drive like an ape ☺
Fully agree with you there man. I have 2020 golf gti and even in my 169kw it's possible to have "days" worth of wheel spin if you fail to launch control properly. There's just so much power on the front wheels.
Golf tcr is basically a golf R with fwd, false power out put 286hp, more likely 300hp+ like the Golf R +plus 100kg lighter, dual clutch transmission, launch control, still lost to honda type r civic manual shifting transmission 306hp+. Type R civic fk8 Still boss of the hot hatches.
Honda will never put a DSG box the type R. . The type R is about being a real hot hatch and making it an engaging experience for the driver. The Honda will always lose time during a manual change compared to a DSG box.
After all these years it still gets me how there is never a switch in drivers as we all know reaction time is essential in drag races and would like to see how both the drivers fair in both the cars against each other which could finally rule out all your dislikes and constant complaints. Come on guys..
1. I liked how straight to the point it was..some people make drag races longer than 10min. 2. As much as the reaction time was off by a sec or two...I blv the Golf was not supposed to be on launch mode to start with..given the other car was on manual. 3. I blv more camera angles wld do..not just in a certain area of the drag race. 4. Great job cars.co.za team
OK, so how many times do you need to launch the Golf before you realize there's some lag and compensate? Why are you guys so bad at this compared to literally any foreign publication.
It was about 70 days before the TCR started to launch, the type R was already near the finish line before the TCR had started to spin the tyres off the start line. Worst launch/delayed reaction ever.
This was said in the comparison between the R and the megane: " Ashley Oldfield 1 week ago @James M We did more than one race, like I've said a few times in the comments here. We just use one for the video, but we must have done around 25 or 30 launches between the 2 cars. The Civic won way more often than the RS did." I t hink they should also have switched cars every other race to spotlight driver contribution.
Given a longer distance, I think the Golf was going to come close to the type R but I am almost 100% sure that it was never really going to pass, those 12 extra kilowatts and 20 nm were going to keep the type R ahead for days. Honda can be very proud of themselves, they really created an excellent car
How long does it take to redo a failed drag race..?? 5 min? 10 min?? If I must watch a video (after the annoying adds), and this is the result, I guess we are too much asking for a redo before a post. Really annoyed with this.....
Great bants, race wasn't fantastic but if I want to know how fast the cars are I'll Google it, I'm here to be entertained. Everyone seems obsessed with the slow Golf launch, but if people can't work out that the Golf is slightly faster by looking at the footage then that's on them. I enjoyed watching.
The type R clearly jumped the start... with that said... Guys it would have been nice to repeat the race. I'm left thinking the team just wanted the golf to loose. SAD!
I agree with guy's that said about golf late launch , but maybe it was the bestest launch control they had after many trials? The automatic is automatic you can't have many choices, the manual gives you more choices, it's slower but it's always on driver side.
@@PerformanceWithPage Just sad how it is ONLY the Japanese (Honda) power units that has caused mechanical DNF's for their F1 teams this season. Twice for Verstappen as far as I remember. Nothing beats German Engineering... World known fact.
Even if it did win which it never, around the first bend of a track its pretty much over for the tcr....in fact proven to be faster than any production golf around a bend.
That VW deserve no attention ! It is an absolute looser car, compared with the allmighty Type R ! It is a car more destinated to go everyday to work, than for drag racing...it is just an ordinary car, the car of the people, as its name is. 😂😂 Even with so many letters in his name, like GTI, TCR, MMC, WCC, BDSM, ETC, 😂😂😂 it did nothing...So sad for VW fanboys...Cry VW fanboi, cry...and look to the Honda power ! 💪💪💪😂
@@violetaanghel5214 Talk about fanboys yourself lol. Biggest honda fanboy judging from that comment. Just as bad as some gtr fanboys. Also people don't buy type r's to drag race... not a good car or good value for that.
Imagine using the gti launch control and flooring it. Thats just gonna spin for days, gotta ease into it. And just single race? I may be getting spoiled by carwows videos lol.
Why does the GTI constantly launch late...? Either there is a problem with thís specific cars' launch mode or with the driver. The GOLF was só late off the line that it could in all probability have clipped it.
You should've done best of 3 drags. Also, it's 1 of 300 in SA, not the world. Europe has the TCR's in bulk, not numbered, with Akrapovic exhausts, start buttons, GPS on the digital cockpit🥲 #volkswagenSA pulled us a fast one.
@@mijiz you're most probably one of those people that can't afford one and so you dislike it so intensely. The fact that you couldn't say what you drive speaks volumes about you 😉😉
Lets just relax...i own a TCR and a buddy of mine owns a TYPE R..both cars are STOCK...we did highway pulls and launches from a dig...And i can honestly say the TCR is faster than the TYPE R..This video is for promoting the TYPE R clearly..out of there drag series featuring the TCR,TYPE R,MEGAN RS,I30N the VW GTI TCR IS THE FASTEST CAR..Ciro i think you guys should really spice things up a bit..coz the comments really tell a different story..
Civic Type R is 30ps higher but only half a body faster than Golf TCR. If the TCR make it at 300ps it will ahead of Civic not to mention if both are same output the Civic will be thrown behind.
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I feel like it should be redone, the TCR's launch was bad... With a good launch I'm sure the results won't be the same
Automatics are slow 🐌
@@chefvr6 That's a DSG lol. It's technically different from an Automatic gearbox
@@darylauw I hear you Daryl, but i still prefer a manual gearbox. That's my preference
@@darylauw Also, alot more fun to drive.
@@chefvr6 just switch the dsg over to full manual and you have the same thrill as a normal manual gearbox. Really don't understand why people will want a classic clutch compared to a dual electronic clutch.
The driver of the TCR was asleep. Just making a valid point.
That's Ciro,say his fucking name.
Yha true TCR is faster then type r Manual
Wandile Andrew Mngoma Indeed, if they had both launched at the same time, the TCR would of won by a very small margin.
Eshley Ngomane There was no offence intended on my essential comment.
Bud, take a look at all their drag videos - every video is off. They are useless drivers.
Ciro, I think your reaction time was slightly off. The race would have been much closer. Hopefully we will see another run some day.
In this video the TCR is the winner, it’s clear that the TCR wasn’t launched properly, there is No delay with the car and it’s DSG gearbox... there was definitely a delay with the driver.
The VW's computer was stuck in emissions friendly mode.
lol vw diesel gate never dies !
Yeah and Hondas oil dilution was in full blast lmao.
All companies make mistakes man, the more complicated the design of the engine means more work. Vw definitely over complicates things but for a gti I am pretty impressed. For a stock type r I am also fairly impressed... I imagine the stock clutch is pretty weak on that honda to say da least
@JR
still nothing worser than
vw diesel scam
😂
I love how the golf got beat by the type R with a baby seat at the back
as if Golf was not 100kg lighter anyway
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah..... except that the type r is manual and it beat the golf
@@GuyI9000 did you saw that poor start ofd the Golf? The Golf would win
Me too
The TCR set off about 2 seconds after the Honda, of course it lost...
iBloGadget yep vag trashcan fan, however with a dsg the civic would be still ahead by the same length (or a bit more)
about 0,15 sec after
@@NikosKalantasTouKabourdirhTouK But civics dont come with dsg? I don't get that logic. The gti was closing the gap here too despite leaving later.
basslover352 my logic is simple: you should compare same things. Or at least somehow similar. We'll see what you are going to say with the new Type R that is going to come with awd and 400+ hp. Till then, have fun losing races vs civics
@@NikosKalantasTouKabourdirhTouK Pretty flawed logic if you ask me. It's like the people that say oh if my car was turbocharged, i'd beat this and that. I could also care less about the type R. It's not for me. Over styled and very bland sounding 4 cylinder. I'd rather have a good old school honda that revs high and screams up top if we're talking honda. I could care less about a 400hp awd civic that's a rumor and has electric motors in the rear (ill pass).
I think the producers of the channel must start watching carwow, we can't be subjected to one lousy race that is even inconclusive
Agree
Agreed completely pointless especially without times.
VW fanboys? 😂 😂
Car wow i feel they like VW more than Honda and FORD
If a launch control has a 2s delay from the moment you lift up your foot from the brake, then why not lift it up 2s before race start to compensate. No way can a Civic Type R beat a TCR in a drag race. Come on guys do it again!!!!!
No the TCR didn’t launch properly
Type R has been moering Golf since it's inception.
I was liking the best out of three approach like in your other videos. You should continue that trend.
„1 of 300 TCR in the World“? What the Fuck, there are 300 of them just in my Neighbourhood.
Oh goodness another one to start fights lol... 🔥🔥🔥why didnt you guys give it another go like with the BMW and Jag can see the golf took ages to start. Would have been more close also put all 4 side by side and Duke it out like men yes they will fit!
Such a bad start.... why not do it over and then place a fair video. This video not worth watching.......
Type R GTR anything that has n R from Japan is amazingly powerful
TCR driver like a child didn't know how to drive
The only thing the TCR driver got right was the promotion of merchandise
Was the TCR really in launch control? It launched like it was completely off
That Type R launch was perfect. Good video.
Some part of me is glad that the Volkswagen didn't win
The Volkswagen win this Race if the Driver woke up 1 second earlier
They made sure if that
I'm not happy at all. I would like to speak to the manager!
This race is bad. Shouldn’t even be posted. So many things can go bad in this world from one deceiving video.
That type r is a rocket though. Imagine that with a dual clutch
Would totally defeat the point...the Type R is a car designed entirely to be fast and engaging on a track, a DCT would make it a bit faster sure but less fun and to be honest they tip the scales towards serious more than fun as it is. If you want to go fast in a straight line, FWD is a pretty silly choice anyway.
I say all that having seriously considered an FK8 Type R earlier this year, but it was disappointing on the test drive. Not bad by any means, but too serious and sounds pretty awful. Very practical and surprisingly comfy though. I bought a 981 Cayman S instead because screw practical and comfy, I want to go broom broom and drive like an ape ☺
Next time get someone who knows how to drive a GTI.
Fully agree with you there man. I have 2020 golf gti and even in my 169kw it's possible to have "days" worth of wheel spin if you fail to launch control properly. There's just so much power on the front wheels.
@@charldutoit1163 I've got one too. 6 speed and if you don't know how it hits its a total loss.
@@grimlock59 my first launch control in my gti was like the TCR driver did it in this video. Thereafter I had no wheelspin at all.
No my friend, you meen next time, get a real opponent for Type R !!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Why are we blaming the driver? He used launch control.
Golf tcr is basically a golf R with fwd, false power out put 286hp, more likely 300hp+ like the Golf R +plus 100kg lighter, dual clutch transmission, launch control, still lost to honda type r civic manual shifting transmission 306hp+. Type R civic fk8 Still boss of the hot hatches.
Honda will never put a DSG box the type R. . The type R is about being a real hot hatch and making it an engaging experience for the driver.
The Honda will always lose time during a manual change compared to a DSG box.
After all these years it still gets me how there is never a switch in drivers as we all know reaction time is essential in drag races and would like to see how both the drivers fair in both the cars against each other which could finally rule out all your dislikes and constant complaints. Come on guys..
the tcr took off a second later lol
True
It's called a crap launch control system...
But the Civic didn't jump, right?
@@karabo506 the civic never jumped....it was a perfect start, the issue is vw launch control as they said.
@@van_der_lindeDA you hate VWs?
To be fair, run the race twice because it is pretty clear that the Golf did not launch properly on the first run.
No front wheel hot hatch beats civic types R
I really do hope VWSA look at this video, and think about what Cars.co.za tried to achieve here.
Type R for the win...even with a baby seat in the rear! 😂
Manuel gears are always the best,love them
Best 2 out of 3.
The Golf’s response is bad it picked up so slow or is it driver’s reaction 🤔.
Driver's reaction, poor launch
Definitely driver reaction. They should have had a best of three. But I’m sure Honda fan boys are rejoicing all over the country.
Ciro's reaction was abit off ......Rematch perhaps 🤣😅
Bring Ash and it will be a different story...
Lets also consider 1km drags and sound checks before the drag. Just a suggestion goons!
Y'all leave Ciro alone, that kiddies seat in the Type R weighs at least 101kg!
But you can't conclude a race on a bad launch. You guys should have raced again to get proper results.
1. I liked how straight to the point it was..some people make drag races longer than 10min.
2. As much as the reaction time was off by a sec or two...I blv the Golf was not supposed to be on launch mode to start with..given the other car was on manual.
3. I blv more camera angles wld do..not just in a certain area of the drag race.
4. Great job cars.co.za team
Next time start together, dont sleep in GTI, thx.
OK, so how many times do you need to launch the Golf before you realize there's some lag and compensate? Why are you guys so bad at this compared to literally any foreign publication.
It was about 70 days before the TCR started to launch, the type R was already near the finish line before the TCR had started to spin the tyres off the start line.
Worst launch/delayed reaction ever.
OMG your reaction on golf TCR its very Bad... very very bad, and Golf with more weight and -30cv and very bad reaction has a similar time.
I am pretty sure this was not the only run they did, they obviously just posted the best run to TH-cam
This was said in the comparison between the R and the megane:
"
Ashley Oldfield
1 week ago
@James M We did more than one race, like I've said a few times in the comments here. We just use one for the video, but we must have done around 25 or 30 launches between the 2 cars. The Civic won way more often than the RS did."
I t hink they should also have switched cars every other race to spotlight driver contribution.
Launch control faulty on golf? They dont last long anyway
Given a longer distance, I think the Golf was going to come close to the type R but I am almost 100% sure that it was never really going to pass, those 12 extra kilowatts and 20 nm were going to keep the type R ahead for days. Honda can be very proud of themselves, they really created an excellent car
How long does it take to redo a failed drag race..?? 5 min? 10 min?? If I must watch a video (after the annoying adds), and this is the result, I guess we are too much asking for a redo before a post. Really annoyed with this.....
They did a best out of 5 - Cars.co.za won't tell you this.
Great bants, race wasn't fantastic but if I want to know how fast the cars are I'll Google it, I'm here to be entertained. Everyone seems obsessed with the slow Golf launch, but if people can't work out that the Golf is slightly faster by looking at the footage then that's on them. I enjoyed watching.
I was honestly expecting the Golf to take it with its DSG and launch control. A big part of me is glad it didn't.
I have gti and would argue it's more fun to drive than most sports cars twice the price.
Why do you post a video when the Race is not accurate? Like it doesn't make any sense to watch.
If the HTR schooled a TCR on a QM, imagine the hiding it will get on a track
So why did you guys not have another race for square comparison?
The type R clearly jumped the start...
with that said... Guys it would have been nice to repeat the race. I'm left thinking the team just wanted the golf to loose. SAD!
There's more than 300 TCRs in the world. There were only 300 for South Africa. There's 500 registered in the UK alone
I agree with guy's that said about golf late launch , but maybe it was the bestest launch control they had after many trials? The automatic is automatic you can't have many choices, the manual gives you more choices, it's slower but it's always on driver side.
"Japan power"??? Said no-one ever...
Not a great launch for GTI. Better or equal launch and the Type R would've been back to Japan.
hAHAHA, I said it, I meant it, I'm here to represent it :P
@@PerformanceWithPage Just sad how it is ONLY the Japanese (Honda) power units that has caused mechanical DNF's for their F1 teams this season. Twice for Verstappen as far as I remember. Nothing beats German Engineering... World known fact.
I’m only liking this video cause I love it. Come on Ciro. Page you’l always be the man.
Thanks for the kind words bru! Appreciate your support!
Man the honda jumped at list 1 sec before the golf
Gti tcr all day, its hp is underrated, with a few mods and tune.. its a whole different car
The Golf did not get beat. The Civic started before, it is shown clear as crystal in the slow motion replay.
VTEC POWER!!! ✌️✌️✌️
Where are the drag races for the other cars ?
all you japan boys get excited for nthng....that guy driving the tcr drove like a soccer mom...that tcr would've won period
Even if it did win which it never, around the first bend of a track its pretty much over for the tcr....in fact proven to be faster than any production golf around a bend.
Lol keep crying those salty VW fanboy tears!
@@van_der_lindeDA Exactly, the TCR would be 5 to 10 seconds behind on any track.
That VW deserve no attention ! It is an absolute looser car, compared with the allmighty Type R !
It is a car more destinated to go everyday to work, than for drag racing...it is just an ordinary car, the car of the people, as its name is. 😂😂
Even with so many letters in his name, like GTI, TCR, MMC, WCC, BDSM, ETC, 😂😂😂 it did nothing...So sad for VW fanboys...Cry VW fanboi, cry...and look to the Honda power ! 💪💪💪😂
@@violetaanghel5214 Talk about fanboys yourself lol. Biggest honda fanboy judging from that comment. Just as bad as some gtr fanboys. Also people don't buy type r's to drag race... not a good car or good value for that.
do you really oversleep every start with the tcr. have you heard of launch control?
Honda always shine.. love ol skool manual
I think the FK8r did jump the start slightly, this deserve a rematch. Pls a rematch would be fair haha
Imagine using the gti launch control and flooring it. Thats just gonna spin for days, gotta ease into it. And just single race? I may be getting spoiled by carwows videos lol.
Square box for merch don’t work and no link in the description.. probably an iPhone error
Ciro you are such a legend!
Why does the GTI constantly launch late...?
Either there is a problem with thís specific cars' launch mode or with the driver.
The GOLF was só late off the line that it could in all probability have clipped it.
If you can't launch a DSG properly, even against a manual car, maybe you should reconsider your career choices...
😂😂 I agree
All I see and hear are the salty tears and weak excuses of VW fanboys. I love it.
Did you not see the pathetic excuse for a launch or are you just dumb ?😂
Give us some times please!!! what was each car's time?
U need to do a re race 🏁 I thing the tcr will win
regardless of performance the golf gti look like a midget hearse. The worst looking hatch on the market
Type R Rocks :)
..how did this take make it through post-production and onto the air!?.. yeesh!.. clearly this was about the drivers than the cars then...
Quello che guidala la Golf è veramente un drago!
È riuscito a sbagliare la partenza col DSG
Veramente forte
Was not expecting that
You should've done best of 3 drags.
Also, it's 1 of 300 in SA, not the world. Europe has the TCR's in bulk, not numbered, with Akrapovic exhausts, start buttons, GPS on the digital cockpit🥲 #volkswagenSA pulled us a fast one.
55 GTI drivers disliked this video so far 😅
So what do you drive ? 😅
A GTI of course 😉
@@mijiz you're most probably one of those people that can't afford one and so you dislike it so intensely. The fact that you couldn't say what you drive speaks volumes about you 😉😉
@@nirvanpillay Ay Warrapen🙈 why charous must carry on like this... Yeah some of us can't afford nice things yet but some day we dream to. 🙏🏼
That's 750 thousand rands worth of disappointment in a straight line...suddenly the ridiculously expensive A35 AMG is an attractive package.
O cara do Golf não soube tocar o carro, ganhou com sobras do I30N e perdeu pro Type R que ganhou apertado do mesmo I30N!!
Lets just relax...i own a TCR and a buddy of mine owns a TYPE R..both cars are STOCK...we did highway pulls and launches from a dig...And i can honestly say the TCR is faster than the TYPE R..This video is for promoting the TYPE R clearly..out of there drag series featuring the TCR,TYPE R,MEGAN RS,I30N the VW GTI TCR IS THE FASTEST CAR..Ciro i think you guys should really spice things up a bit..coz the comments really tell a different story..
Not a fair race, TCR lost due to the driver and not its performance. At the end its a race, you snooze you lose 😴😂😂
Lol he keeps launching so late. I think it would’ve been much closer
Cira didn't launch the Golf properly and why didn't they do the race again and so that they can see if the gonna be a different results
Please start doing rolling races
at least make it a fair race with a fair start. are you guys comparing the cars or driver reactions?
I am a Honda fan but I feel as if Ciro didn't launch well
Can you guys please do more than 1 race in your videos... Also can you do rolling races and braking comparisons...
They dare not with the vw. Afraid the engine light goes on.
what about prices?
Civic Type R is 30ps higher but only half a body faster than Golf TCR. If the TCR make it at 300ps it will ahead of Civic not to mention if both are same output the Civic will be thrown behind.
Re-do the race?
I'm not gonna subscribe until this race is done over.
A review of the golf gti tcr would be nice