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Why did they not bring the megane rs ? Is it becoz it will destroy the other two or is it becoz it's engine will break during the middle of its testing 😂 ?
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Aaaand in real life the Golf will be 9/10 times better suited. Not everybody drives them on racing track. A little bit of rain and the Civic is done for. I am struggling with my Civic 2.2 d-tec in the rain and that car is much slower than the Type R.
@@kamata93 Done for? Are we talking as a daily, here? I own a FK8 and I live in the UK (we get our fair share of rain) and I’ve never really ran into issues on slippery roads…
@@JoshTheFrosch07 So when I run an ultra modern electric car with super car bothering performance as a daily then anything north of this random 3.3 seconds is suddenly deemed slow? So all modern hot hatches and performance saloons are by your definition slow? I don't think so.
@@oppos727 It is not electronically controlled, it is mechanical however it is a helical differential which perform better than ones with straight teeth. The only front wheel drive hot hatches with e-LSDs, at least in the USA are the Veloster N and the Golf GTI Performance Pack
Great video... Type R is one of the best FWD sport cars ever made. The track is where it is the best. I'm a VW driver and love my Golf R, but a Civic Type R on a track day wins every time. The GTI CS is no slouch though, both great cars.
No! He did drove the GTI slow on the racing circuit. Saying that the Civic lost on time because its manual it means you are not capable of driving a manual. it could get 4.9 0-60 and a 13.6 quarter this is just the normal model. If he got a lower time on a limited edition with little weight reduction and better suspension for racing then its not the cars fault its HIS FAULT! GTI is faster on acceleration and circuit only if driven proplery. Volkswagen could do 0-60 in 4.7 and a quarter mile of 13.1 is possible if you launch it more aggressively.
@@awakenedsoul2638 are you really awakened or a lost soul? What am I saying? Read properly. Have already said that his driving caused civic to have a slower time. Golf was a automatic, that to with dual clutches. Even if you may be slow, it should be on par with a manual car granny shifter! Think soul think!
@@mandarkerkar2581 No your comment is way off. If the car is faster manual or automatic does not matter. The problem is the driver being tested by a reviewer instead of a race car driver who competes professionally.
@@awakenedsoul2638 not everyone is a racer, people just wanna have fun on track. But even by normal standards, that shifting was bad! Hope you get it now. Sorry I didn't know you were such a great professional quality driver!
@@mandarkerkar2581 Your point is simple and mine as well. You are praising the Civics performance even if that fool shifted slower than a grand papa. You see this is a little review and a performance test, things should be done properly and by a capable race car driver. This is my simple point, do you get it now? Having a proper test, we will get better results on how really fast these cars are not a result from someone who is not capable to unleash what really the car can do. Have fun on the review not on the performance test. The model years of the Golf 2016 to 2020 is slower than the Type R, acceleration and circuit lap time the Type R can easily destroy the Focus and Golf but it was quickly destroyed after a few months by the Renault Megane RS Trophy by lapping at 7:40. But this 2021 Golf GTI can easily become much faster than the Type R if driven properly. I bet this will have a better version than the one reviewed by this fool. It will be the match of the 7th generation Type R next year. DAMN THE NEW CIVIC ITS UGLY!
Type R can get around a track a bit quicker, apparently. But the VW is just soooo much better to actually live with and drive on the street which is what is actually the task at hand for most of us. And certainly no slouch when it comes to lively driving through the twisties. As a daily driver... a much better all-rounder in just about every situation.
I’d rather a car that’s fun than a car that’s is easy and boring , I don’t care for launches and 0-60, I have a golf r and I’ve launched it 2 times because I was asked to but it’s rather boring to drive , I have driven a civic and the gearbox is probably one of the best I’ve ever used
I just can't understand why anyone still tests the straight line performance figures of the Civic Type R?. It's strength lies in the speed it can achieve and maintain over any road and carry through corners. Anyone else like me and automatically fast forward through any drag races or straight line performance test with this car involved?.
Yes spot on. Don't really care about a few tenths here or there in a sprint off the line. As the track test showed, the CTR is the faster car once moving. If you want to drag race buy something else.
I feel his way about a lot of cars. Drivers don’t care about 0-60 as that’s only the beginning. This current trend of 0-60 and 1/4 times being the measure of a car is saddening. These current trends such as Audis and Tesla’s with launch control that can’t turn properly when it hits a corner at high speeds seem to be winning out in the comment section. It’s a sad time for the “driver” when cars are measured by if you can push the pedal down and go in a straight line for a few seconds.
This i like saying we shouldn't judge a jeep wranglers in road manners because it's strength is in off roading. 0-60 is still very relevant. 6 seconds is not slow.. it's just not as fast to 60 as some others. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the Civic is not the best in all categories. Everyone wants to constantly suggest that the car is flawless. In day-to-day usage The difference in acceleration will mean more than a civic being able to take turns slightly faster at track speeds.
i don't care for straight line performance in videos at all; it's boring and uninteresting information. it's why i really can't stand how carwow is just all drag races now. it's obnoxious, but they get them lots and lots of views so they'll keep making them
If VW made a Clubsport S for the mk8 which remains to be seen, it seems like it would be a better comparison. Regardless, the Cup 2 tires on the GTI may have changed the outcome. Tire-wise, not really an equal comparison.
@@NvSrAgE679 no. The video is him driving and talking. The lap time is from someone else doing the timed lap but they make it look like him. He isn't good enough to get consistent times. He can review cars and do donuts but that's about it
Just goes to show the skill it takes to gets those low 5 sec runs on the civic R. Bet even the pros have trouble getting back to back runs real consistent
Lap times are academic because if ambient temp is 24C or more, the Civic will overheat and its ECU will limit power to c.260bhp. (Which is why the Mugen version’s bonnet has huge extra vents.) Meanwhile, whatever the temp, the Golf will deliver its c.300bhp all day long. Sometimes the dull kid is the quick kid, too.
In 10,000 miles with temps above 100* my Type R has never overheated when pushed to 140+mph The engine will also hold over 600whp whereas the Golfs engine will snap rods around 450whp VW engines are nowhere near Honda.
You have no idea how timely this is... These are on a very short short list of poss replacements for my STi RA which is currently awaiting a gearbox upgrade.
Wider, stickier tires on the Type R definitely were an advantage on the track. Plus the Type R cost $3000 more. The Type R is more track focused and the Clubsport is all around with a much nicer interior. JMO.
With that weight difference the Honda is bound to feel better to drive. In general too much emphasis is being placed on draggy times not on feel. Both of these two have much improved feel over the rest of the range and probably over the vast majority of road cars. It can home to me trying a Tesla Model 3 Performance. The straight line was literally breath taking, 0 to 60 in half the time of both of these. But outside of showing how superior you car is at accelerating it was not engaging at all. Too much weight and too much inertia On that basis i’d go for the Honda if it wasn’t for the fact that it permanently looks like it’s been in an RTA. 😀
It's for the track so you don't really need a/c. You won't be running it anyway if you're doing track. Day to day, of course, but this is specifically for the track
@@kirksmith347 Is reliability not important though if you spend this money on a car? I have an A4, so I guess the Golf would be more my type of car, but I wouldn't have gotten it if I didn't lease it. Also, the criticism on the Honda was that it wasn't dedicated enough for the track vs the previous version. It's a fine car for your daily commute. The problem is the look.
@@kirksmith347 The regular Type R is perfectly good on the road, you don't need the limited edition: th-cam.com/video/mFzE_3rPEDo/w-d-xo.html "This is really quite civilised and usable." The only drawback is the styling if you don't like it, but the new generation conservative looking Civic will be along with a milder looking Type R model soon. :) [Plus the 11th-gen Civic has a volume knob and temperature knob instead of the Mk8 Golf's touch sliders. ;)]
Id have the Civic anyday, it may look a bit crazy but it's definitely not boring. Even the sound they both make launching, the civic is trying to kill it's tyres and the golf is just quick but no personality and a bit dull, lovely cars both of them but one strikes me as an awful lot more fun.
Type R is 1.6 seconds faster around the track? That's an eternity. Matt's smiles and laughs tells you which one is the better car to drive. Type R king of hot hatches. They are both ugly though lol.
Im sure the civic is more enjoyable. Especially when you travelling to the track in sunny wheather. It doesn't need to be to warm i think 17C and the sun will dehydrate any driver before he gets to the track. Not to mention civic is on Michelin tyres which give at least 1s
@@KristianKG It just means you can't rev the shit out of it whilst stationary. Why some people get so upset about them is beyond me. You don't need to sit there revving the conkers off a car just drive the bloody thing!
Don't understand why he calls the Type R a pig in the wet haha! It grips like crazy, doesn't have the traction off the line of a 4WD ofc but it still handles and brakes beautifully! Probably saying that because Matt loves a drag race (although I don't make much of his gear changes... ;) )
Excellent video 2 similar car with totally different goals The Golf is the still the one you want for everyday use and occasional track or auto x it still retains the creature comforts and is a leaps and bounds better looking car. The civic is still hideous but it’s good around the track which is great but most people only have one car for day to day use the Golf just trumps the civic in every way other than around the track which I would wager is not a deal breaker for most. Just my .02
@@mrnicktoyou It's 250 vs 270 kph. Question is, who's getting at the bigger speeds faster. I wouldn't be surprised of non of the two will get to their top speed on the average straight.
Honda limits power in the R in 1st and 2nd gear - it also limits launch revs which means it never leaves with full authority If you want to see the power differences - pull the type R to about 3500 rpm in 3rd and go WOT against the car pacing you - thats full power Use the draggy to test 60mph to 130mph against its competition and youll see it shine.
Why not taken the normal TypeR? In the video is the Limited edition with 80kg less, competition chassis and sport tyres. I think the normal TypeR would have been beaten by the Golf.
@@GuyI9000 You know well the GTI lool. To clear you up this Clubsport has FWD!!. And normal street tyres. Take the normal TypeR with normal street tyres and it will be atomised by the GTI.
I have never been a fan of either cars, and after watching this video I still have not warmed to them. Can't believe in this day and age people would buy a car without a music system in it. Back in the 80's it was always the Peugeot 205 GTI, In the 90's it was the Clio Williams.
Love how the guessing section about that was full of person saying that the golf would beat the type R easily ah ah It's a good car don't get me wrong, probably better all around than the civic, but that civic is a track weapon for sure
If the Clubsport spec was as ruthless about weight loss and also things like lighter wheels for unsprung mass the Golf would have killed the Civic. It lost out by less than a second and a half on track and beat the Civic everywhere else.
@@skylined5534 as I said, the civic as no compromise 🤷♂️ Châssis vs châssis the golf is under when we give also the fact that the auto gearbox is and advantage for it to 1,6sec is a lot on such a little track
@@blumafuji2753 And just changing the tyres alone would likely at least equalise that. The size of the track is irrelevant 1 second is one second from a go kart track to Laguna Seca.
@@skylined5534 1 second on Tsukuba and one second on the nurburgring isn't the same though don't exaggerate ah ah But yeah if you basically change the golf in the civic it would be as fast but it wouldn't be the same car ah ah Even with standard Tyre every one said that the stearing feel and precision as the diff efficiency and overall chassis was better in the civic 🤷♂️ I'm not a Japanese fanboy, it's just what everybody in the car automotive world is saying... And yes the dsg is also a big advantage everywhere, the civic would be faster with that too, but it wouldn't be a civic anymore 🤷♂️
At least in the US press cars aren't registered as a normal car and the manufacturer can't sell it as a regular car. A lot of them get crushed or an example Gas Monkey got parts from a new Challenger that was designed to be crushed because it was a press model
1.6 seconds is definitely NOT margin of error on such a small track. If it was a 1.6s difference on the Nurburgring then sure, its definitely margin of error.
Trying to think of when I would remove the A/C and stereo from my Civic to my lap time a fraction of a second. Maybe when race for money and I am not the weak link holding the car back.
Wait Mat, I just googled and learned that you are automotive journalist with years of experiences. I thought drag racing for Carwow was your first time in racing lol. I should have known that you could race after I saw you doing donut and drift with the cars that you reviewed.
Let’s keep it real, CUP 2 vs S1 EVO 3, the Golf is just as fast as the Type R on the same rubber. I’m trying to get an FK8 (the normal one, not this bullshit, no infotainment, no AC, 55000euro car) or a GTI CS and nobody did a real test on the same tires. Some of us are not muppets, I used to race, I know what the CUP2’s are and what they can do. There is a test, performed by Sport Auto magazine, with the normal FK8 GT version on (Conti SC6) and the GTI CS (on Bridgestone Potenza Sport 005) on Hockenheim, which is a power hungry circuit, where the Golf wins by 0,1 sec. I’m not trusting that test neither because they are germans and they want the GTI to won. But the cars are pretty close on the same tires, it will be very hard to choose one. Honda has 5 year warranty compared to 2 for the GTI, but the GTI has better fuel economy and it is a bit more confortable on long journeys… :/
Hammered?! 😂 a little quicker around a circuit and gets handed everywhere else? Good job they didn't use the R as the bench mark performance VW... BYE-BYE BANANA SPLIT! 😂
@@skylined5534 yep Hammered, not even DSG could save the golf. That's a true reflection of how great the Civic is. Oh and if we are talking fairy tales of "if this, or if that “ then if the civic was DSG, then it would have time for a wash and wax while the golf is still finishing its lap. So funny, the club sport, makes a good car a little better. The Ltd edition type R, makes a great car even greater.
@@bobbyg5904 Nope, sorry fella, 1.6 seconds isn't a hammering, 4 seconds like between the Megane Trophy and the non commercially available development CTR used by Honda for the Nordschleife... that's hammering. Yes the Trophy is more expensive and also yes, the CTR would need to become significantly more expensive than it currently is to even match the Megane. And all I can say is it's a good job they didn't use a Clubsport S or even an R. Because the former and particularly the latter would cripple the CTR. As for the fairytales? If Honda truly thought as you did the Civic WOULD have a DSG. They knew forced induction had to happen but thus far they're happy to retain a standard manual transmission.
@@skylined5534 oh man, you just nailed your coffin on any argument here mate, DSG better than one of the best manual boxes ever. You're clearly not a driver. End of discussion. And yes, 1.6secs is a hammering 😜
@@bobbyg5904 Oh *Bobbeh* you do talk some utter shit. Do you want to try to make your reply at least begin to make sense? I had no idea I was in the presence of a Forza god 😂
There's no way on this earth I'd do that to my gti holy shit it would absolutely trash it. They may be sporty cars but I seriously doubt the build quality would put up with that
His 3rd civic run is bang on short shift 500rpm early in first as there's literally no point hanging out our for the extra 2mph and hung out the rest of the gears. Launch wasnt great tho. Looks like the clutch was dumped rather than feathered like you should in fwd. Mat obviously knows what he's doing tho. Otherwise we wouldn't be sat here watching. Lol
@@samuelpearce1702 Launch was bad, and his changes take a long long time, i mean these are more light hearted videos but his manual shifting is slow in general
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How old are you ?
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Why did they not bring the megane rs ? Is it becoz it will destroy the other two or is it becoz it's engine will break during the middle of its testing 😂 ?
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Mat, you're actually a good racing driver. Should probably get a license.
yes
@@officialwowow OK wowow😂
you are talking to a man who always has problems with manual transmission 😅
Man you are pretty funny😃😃😃
going for that top gear moneysssss
for the first time in your life you finally derived the front wheel drive civic in dry condition
Amazing difference to his first performance stats THAT ARE ALWAYS DONE WHEN ITS RAINING
Aaaand in real life the Golf will be 9/10 times better suited. Not everybody drives them on racing track. A little bit of rain and the Civic is done for. I am struggling with my Civic 2.2 d-tec in the rain and that car is much slower than the Type R.
@@kamata93 Done for? Are we talking as a daily, here? I own a FK8 and I live in the UK (we get our fair share of rain) and I’ve never really ran into issues on slippery roads…
I reckon the clubsport can make up at least half a second if it had comparable tires to the Type R.
When Mat says 0-60 seconds in 6seconds is slow, you know he’s driven HyperCars 🤤😂
0 to 60 in 6 seconds is slow
@@garycoc1984
Except it really isn't. Tell me why you think so though.
6 is respectable but it would only be considered fast in the late 80s early 90s. 4s seem to be the new 6s.
@@skylined5534 when you’ve driven a car that runs 3.3 seconds 0-60 (ie a tesla M3P) it’s considered slow as hell
@@JoshTheFrosch07
So when I run an ultra modern electric car with super car bothering performance as a daily then anything north of this random 3.3 seconds is suddenly deemed slow? So all modern hot hatches and performance saloons are by your definition slow? I don't think so.
Pretty sure the CTR has a mechanical diff not an electric one.
It has.
Correct
Electronically controlled mechanical LSD.
@@oppos727 It is not electronically controlled, it is mechanical however it is a helical differential which perform better than ones with straight teeth. The only front wheel drive hot hatches with e-LSDs, at least in the USA are the Veloster N and the Golf GTI Performance Pack
@@oppos727 It's not electronic, a helical diff is just gears.
Mk 7.5 TCR vs mk8 clubsport drag race wouldn't it be fun to watch? Make it happen mat!
Thank you for finally running out 2nd in the civic to hit 60, was getting so frustrated seeing you grab 3rd at 58mph lol
Great video Mat. I’d love to see these track style comparisons more often, they’re way more informative than drag races.
Love these videos. This is a much better test comparing cars then just the beginning of a race (0-60 and 1/4 mile). More of these track tests please!
Great video... Type R is one of the best FWD sport cars ever made. The track is where it is the best.
I'm a VW driver and love my Golf R, but a Civic Type R on a track day wins every time.
The GTI CS is no slouch though, both great cars.
Carwow: **cries in the corner**
Lmao
Lol i just realized this wasn't Carwow until after I read your comment. And this is after I pretty much watched through most of the video 😂.
RIP
Carwow: **Looks at their 5.8m subscribers** 😁
Yeah, but this was recommended by Carwow, lol.
We will have to give it to the civic that it held up to a automatic golf, at the 0-60 and quarter mile, despite of those granny shifts
No! He did drove the GTI slow on the racing circuit. Saying that the Civic lost on time because its manual it means you are not capable of driving a manual. it could get 4.9 0-60 and a 13.6 quarter this is just the normal model. If he got a lower time on a limited edition with little weight reduction and better suspension for racing then its not the cars fault its HIS FAULT! GTI is faster on acceleration and circuit only if driven proplery. Volkswagen could do 0-60 in 4.7 and a quarter mile of 13.1 is possible if you launch it more aggressively.
@@awakenedsoul2638 are you really awakened or a lost soul? What am I saying? Read properly. Have already said that his driving caused civic to have a slower time. Golf was a automatic, that to with dual clutches. Even if you may be slow, it should be on par with a manual car granny shifter! Think soul think!
@@mandarkerkar2581
No your comment is way off. If the car is faster manual or automatic does not matter. The problem is the driver being tested by a reviewer instead of a race car driver who competes professionally.
@@awakenedsoul2638 not everyone is a racer, people just wanna have fun on track. But even by normal standards, that shifting was bad! Hope you get it now. Sorry I didn't know you were such a great professional quality driver!
@@mandarkerkar2581
Your point is simple and mine as well. You are praising the Civics performance even if that fool shifted slower than a grand papa. You see this is a little review and a performance test, things should be done properly and by a capable race car driver. This is my simple point, do you get it now?
Having a proper test, we will get better results on how really fast these cars are not a result from someone who is not capable to unleash what really the car can do. Have fun on the review not on the performance test.
The model years of the Golf 2016 to 2020 is slower than the Type R, acceleration and circuit lap time the Type R can easily destroy the Focus and Golf but it was quickly destroyed after a few months by the Renault Megane RS Trophy by lapping at 7:40. But this 2021 Golf GTI can easily become much faster than the Type R if driven properly. I bet this will have a better version than the one reviewed by this fool. It will be the match of the 7th generation Type R next year.
DAMN THE NEW CIVIC ITS UGLY!
Type R can get around a track a bit quicker, apparently. But the VW is just soooo much better to actually live with and drive on the street which is what is actually the task at hand for most of us. And certainly no slouch when it comes to lively driving through the twisties. As a daily driver... a much better all-rounder in just about every situation.
I’d rather a car that’s fun than a car that’s is easy and boring , I don’t care for launches and 0-60, I have a golf r and I’ve launched it 2 times because I was asked to but it’s rather boring to drive , I have driven a civic and the gearbox is probably one of the best I’ve ever used
Sell it then and buy Civic if you love it so much.
@@DazDc alot of Golf R owners have come to the same conclusion. Its a great car but not the most involving to drive.
@@DazDc my car is for sale , you sound a little butt hurt 😂
Yeah, Honda manuals can be really really good.
@@Peterhaynes it's good but needs a manual
I just can't understand why anyone still tests the straight line performance figures of the Civic Type R?. It's strength lies in the speed it can achieve and maintain over any road and carry through corners. Anyone else like me and automatically fast forward through any drag races or straight line performance test with this car involved?.
Yes spot on. Don't really care about a few tenths here or there in a sprint off the line. As the track test showed, the CTR is the faster car once moving. If you want to drag race buy something else.
I feel his way about a lot of cars. Drivers don’t care about 0-60 as that’s only the beginning. This current trend of 0-60 and 1/4 times being the measure of a car is saddening. These current trends such as Audis and Tesla’s with launch control that can’t turn properly when it hits a corner at high speeds seem to be winning out in the comment section. It’s a sad time for the “driver” when cars are measured by if you can push the pedal down and go in a straight line for a few seconds.
The CTRs main weapon is high speed cornering which it EXCELS at.
This i like saying we shouldn't judge a jeep wranglers in road manners because it's strength is in off roading. 0-60 is still very relevant. 6 seconds is not slow.. it's just not as fast to 60 as some others. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the Civic is not the best in all categories. Everyone wants to constantly suggest that the car is flawless. In day-to-day usage The difference in acceleration will mean more than a civic being able to take turns slightly faster at track speeds.
i don't care for straight line performance in videos at all; it's boring and uninteresting information. it's why i really can't stand how carwow is just all drag races now. it's obnoxious, but they get them lots and lots of views so they'll keep making them
Thank you for taking cars to a circuit I mostly see TH-cams do comparisons with a drag strip.
If VW made a Clubsport S for the mk8 which remains to be seen, it seems like it would be a better comparison. Regardless, the Cup 2 tires on the GTI may have changed the outcome. Tire-wise, not really an equal comparison.
Not really. It comes down to engineering. Type r is built to a higher standard
Type r is the best hot hatchback. one of the best manual gearbox, great engine, great aero and it's simply brutal. love it
Almost as brutal as not having AC and only keeping up as a 20-car special edition 😂
Fit both vehicles with the same tires for track use and see
See the same result?
But hurt VAG-ina fan?
Keep crying the type R will be still faster than a gti even with slicks you will not gain 1.6 seconds
@@honeypeterfreakingbadger3666 Fan boy alert...
@@PugGTi-vo2lg more crying gti fans
Nice driving, we thought you only knew how to race in straight line :-)
It isn't him getting these timed laps..
@@BlackFlag94 wdym
@@BlackFlag94 the whole video was them timing his laps.
@@NvSrAgE679 no. The video is him driving and talking. The lap time is from someone else doing the timed lap but they make it look like him. He isn't good enough to get consistent times. He can review cars and do donuts but that's about it
@@BlackFlag94 well the man literally said “lets find out what I did” so you can understand why I would think that.
Just goes to show the skill it takes to gets those low 5 sec runs on the civic R. Bet even the pros have trouble getting back to back runs real consistent
"...this can be a real pig when it's wet, really really can be."
Mat Watson, July 2021
I thought his girlfriend came across quite nice.
Lap times are academic because if ambient temp is 24C or more, the Civic will overheat and its ECU will limit power to c.260bhp. (Which is why the Mugen version’s bonnet has huge extra vents.)
Meanwhile, whatever the temp, the Golf will deliver its c.300bhp all day long.
Sometimes the dull kid is the quick kid, too.
In 10,000 miles with temps above 100* my Type R has never overheated when pushed to 140+mph
The engine will also hold over 600whp whereas the Golfs engine will snap rods around 450whp
VW engines are nowhere near Honda.
You have no idea how timely this is... These are on a very short short list of poss replacements for my STi RA which is currently awaiting a gearbox upgrade.
One suggestion when doing these track battles - ad a speedo so we can see your speed. It'll make it more interesting to watch
Imagine Matthew Watson is taking his baby with one of those cars 🙂🤩
Which one would you choose sir?
Wider, stickier tires on the Type R definitely were an advantage on the track. Plus the Type R cost $3000 more. The Type R is more track focused and the Clubsport is all around with a much nicer interior. JMO.
With that weight difference the Honda is bound to feel better to drive. In general too much emphasis is being placed on draggy times not on feel. Both of these two have much improved feel over the rest of the range and probably over the vast majority of road cars.
It can home to me trying a Tesla Model 3 Performance. The straight line was literally breath taking, 0 to 60 in half the time of both of these. But outside of showing how superior you car is at accelerating it was not engaging at all. Too much weight and too much inertia
On that basis i’d go for the Honda if it wasn’t for the fact that it permanently looks like it’s been in an RTA. 😀
30 kilos difference
Figure AC would be something useful so I’d go with the Golf.
It's for the track so you don't really need a/c. You won't be running it anyway if you're doing track. Day to day, of course, but this is specifically for the track
@@fraka899 AC is especially helpful on the racetrack. Seems you never drive on Track.
Not only did the Honda beat the VW, but it beat it with a manual gearbox. Respect.
Beat it with sticky tires , and no ac 😂.
@@Emilthehun Stickier tyres*. Yeah its just a faster car round the track the Civic 🙂.
Well, Civic is powerful than GTI Clubsport. But i go with the GTI everytime. Civic is a track monster.
@@Brineselbo agreed as a daily I’d go VW
@@M135iboost same here. Even though I can't believe I'm saying this 😂. Not a German car fan
Can't wait to see if the Toyota GR Corolla can hang with these cars.
This Type-R limited version should be the basis of the next dualclutch 400hp hybrid generation😉
it should be illegal to have this opinion
Mat while shifting hold your foot on the gas pedal don’t release it. Power shifting should help a bit with the Type R.
Don't do that
I love your sense of humour mat you're the best
definitely I agree
@@ttvvideos2050 I really hope he sees this lol
@@jasongillblox it would be life-changing if he does
@@ttvvideos2050 lol he never sees comments
@@jasongillblox he reads them but doesn't reply
Definitely like the looks of the VW more
Mercedes A45s vs Audi S3 vs Honda Civic Type-R Limited Edition
Hi show your car collection mat. Love to watch it
I would get the GTi
all day everyday
Same, because it's good at everything. The Honda's only good on track. lm sure the Honda fan boys will come at you with "reliability".
@@kirksmith347 and its better looking... The civic is something I would love if I was in primary school
@@kirksmith347 Is reliability not important though if you spend this money on a car? I have an A4, so I guess the Golf would be more my type of car, but I wouldn't have gotten it if I didn't lease it. Also, the criticism on the Honda was that it wasn't dedicated enough for the track vs the previous version. It's a fine car for your daily commute. The problem is the look.
@@kirksmith347 The regular Type R is perfectly good on the road, you don't need the limited edition: th-cam.com/video/mFzE_3rPEDo/w-d-xo.html "This is really quite civilised and usable." The only drawback is the styling if you don't like it, but the new generation conservative looking Civic will be along with a milder looking Type R model soon. :) [Plus the 11th-gen Civic has a volume knob and temperature knob instead of the Mk8 Golf's touch sliders. ;)]
Id have the Civic anyday, it may look a bit crazy but it's definitely not boring. Even the sound they both make launching, the civic is trying to kill it's tyres and the golf is just quick but no personality and a bit dull, lovely cars both of them but one strikes me as an awful lot more fun.
You should do a track battle between the Audi S3 and the Mercedes A35
Adding lightness is always a winning recipe, where cars are concerned.
And having a car not shaped like a box with short wheel base helps too. Incase you didn’t know that lol
Title should be:
“Mat Watson proves why 0-60 is a shit measurement of a car’s performance and has become nothing more than an advertising tool”.
Type R is 1.6 seconds faster around the track? That's an eternity. Matt's smiles and laughs tells you which one is the better car to drive. Type R king of hot hatches. They are both ugly though lol.
When i saw this track, i am really missing old top gear. Thanks Mat 🥺🥺🥺
Hi Mat, in terns of pure *fun to drive* which's better: the Yaris GRMN or the Civic TypeR?
i’d like to know this too
I don't watch car reviews... I watch Mat Watson!! What a lad!
That version of the Type R isn’t designed for everyday use on the road so obviously you’d pick the the VW for everyday use..
I will pick the normal type R ⭐⭐⭐
Really should be a purchasable CTR for this test. With 20 sold it’s hardly a like for like
A manual beat an automatic on track... 🥰
beware of the dsg crowd: "iTs NOt aN AUtoMaIc!!"
Well yeah that's where they shine ? You might not have noticed it was more than half a second slower 0 -100 though
@@smiddysmidton8313 so now DSG guys are making minute excuses as to why they got beat by a manual? 🤣🤣
@@smiddysmidton8313 a manual shines on a track? You trolling or actually this hilarious?
I think it’s more like: the Cup 2s beat a set of street tires around the track
Your gear shift wasn't so great on the CTR. You didn't get the best out of it in my opinion.
My Nan can change quicker
@@robc8593 most people can only drive autos nowadays its a shame man.
@@drestah917 he did ok. But the tires in the Clubsport are grippier.
@@dragospahontu the type r has michelin cup 2's. What tires did the gti have?
@@killerkhalsa27 look it up. It has autocross tires
Im sure the civic is more enjoyable. Especially when you travelling to the track in sunny wheather. It doesn't need to be to warm i think 17C and the sun will dehydrate any driver before he gets to the track. Not to mention civic is on Michelin tyres which give at least 1s
Car manufacturers seriously need to stop putting soft limiters in their cars
What is soft limiter?!
@@KristianKG
It just means you can't rev the shit out of it whilst stationary. Why some people get so upset about them is beyond me. You don't need to sit there revving the conkers off a car just drive the bloody thing!
@@skylined5534 They're the enemies of tire companies 😂😂🤡 (senseless sry 😀)
Someday I’m sure you’re going to be a great actor in top gear in the next few years
Nice but he already works for a better company.
Actor? You mean presenter right?
@@sHapina21 might wanna look at what the dictionary says about actors
@@sHapina21 they are not actors. That's kinda disrespectful to James, Jeremy, and Richard. They are presenters and they have said so themselves
Please do a Cupra Leon 300 vs Civic Type R on the track, Steve Sutcliffe got almost the same time with the Cupra as the civic type R
The Clubsport is faster than the Leon Cupra
No he didn’t hahaha. That things a bag of shit under steering Spanish wank box
Just curious what tires the VW had? The Cup 2 tires on the ctr are amazing tires.
I’d rather have the golf, it has many more commodities for everyday and the difference is a second…
Ofc Type R LE is billions times better than any Golf.
Not even close this isn't even VW's best Golf .
No
Don't understand why he calls the Type R a pig in the wet haha! It grips like crazy, doesn't have the traction off the line of a 4WD ofc but it still handles and brakes beautifully! Probably saying that because Matt loves a drag race (although I don't make much of his gear changes... ;) )
We need old clubsport s vs the new clubsport
That was the real clubsport
Excellent video 2 similar car with totally different goals The Golf is the still the one you want for everyday use and occasional track or auto x it still retains the creature comforts and is a leaps and bounds better looking car. The civic is still hideous but it’s good around the track which is great but most people only have one car for day to day use the Golf just trumps the civic in every way other than around the track which I would wager is not a deal breaker for most. Just my .02
I wonder what would happen on a longer track. A bigger difference? Or could the acceleration of the Golf help it on the straights?
No, longer straights on track wouldn’t help the golf because the type R is just as quick if not quicker once rolling.
@@tim-typeR the Golf is faster as speeds increase.
@@mrnicktoyou The Honda has more horsepower so I doubt that
@@juliusnrfelt652 did you watch the drag race? The answer is right there in front of your eyes.
@@mrnicktoyou It's 250 vs 270 kph. Question is, who's getting at the bigger speeds faster. I wouldn't be surprised of non of the two will get to their top speed on the average straight.
Honda limits power in the R in 1st and 2nd gear - it also limits launch revs which means it never leaves with full authority
If you want to see the power differences - pull the type R to about 3500 rpm in 3rd and go WOT against the car pacing you - thats full power
Use the draggy to test 60mph to 130mph against its competition and youll see it shine.
Should have tested with the megane rs trophy 300 aswell
it would edge out the civic
love that Challenge 210 video sound making it into your intro - what a car that was
I'm no VW fan boy but comparing a car on cup tyres vs a car on Standard tyres it's like comparing man City to Leicester city
Anyone else loves Matt?
If we are all here, this means we all love him, aren't we?
Why not taken the normal TypeR? In the video is the Limited edition with 80kg less, competition chassis and sport tyres. I think the normal TypeR would have been beaten by the Golf.
The golf is 4wd, and dsg, totally unfair already, plus this is closer on price
@@GuyI9000 You know well the GTI lool. To clear you up this Clubsport has FWD!!. And normal street tyres. Take the normal TypeR with normal street tyres and it will be atomised by the GTI.
Bigger brakes help when braking? See this is the kind of factual information I’ve been lacking in my life
😂😂
I have never been a fan of either cars, and after watching this video I still have not warmed to them. Can't believe in this day and age people would buy a car without a music system in it. Back in the 80's it was always the Peugeot 205 GTI, In the 90's it was the Clio Williams.
Love how the guessing section about that was full of person saying that the golf would beat the type R easily ah ah
It's a good car don't get me wrong, probably better all around than the civic, but that civic is a track weapon for sure
If the Clubsport spec was as ruthless about weight loss and also things like lighter wheels for unsprung mass the Golf would have killed the Civic. It lost out by less than a second and a half on track and beat the Civic everywhere else.
@@skylined5534 as I said, the civic as no compromise 🤷♂️
Châssis vs châssis the golf is under when we give also the fact that the auto gearbox is and advantage for it to
1,6sec is a lot on such a little track
@@blumafuji2753
And just changing the tyres alone would likely at least equalise that.
The size of the track is irrelevant 1 second is one second from a go kart track to Laguna Seca.
@@skylined5534 1 second on Tsukuba and one second on the nurburgring isn't the same though don't exaggerate ah ah
But yeah if you basically change the golf in the civic it would be as fast but it wouldn't be the same car ah ah
Even with standard Tyre every one said that the stearing feel and precision as the diff efficiency and overall chassis was better in the civic 🤷♂️
I'm not a Japanese fanboy, it's just what everybody in the car automotive world is saying...
And yes the dsg is also a big advantage everywhere, the civic would be faster with that too, but it wouldn't be a civic anymore 🤷♂️
@@blumafuji2753
Who's exaggerating? Tell me why one second track to track is different. It isn't. 'Ah ha'.
Awesome. I love my style R FK8. Looks are not for everyone but I love them.
We need a track battle with supercars
Like in a Best Motoring car show!!!
Agreee
With profi drivers!
Please drag race between Koenigsegg Regra and Bugatti Chiron.
I wonder if G8 VWW will ever come up for sale after being hammered by every car journalist in the country!
At least in the US press cars aren't registered as a normal car and the manufacturer can't sell it as a regular car.
A lot of them get crushed or an example Gas Monkey got parts from a new Challenger that was designed to be crushed because it was a press model
It’s being offered as a BTB prize car now. 😬
That tiny difference is basically just margin of error
the most impressive thing is how consistent Matt's driving is lap on lap
1.6 seconds is definitely NOT margin of error on such a small track. If it was a 1.6s difference on the Nurburgring then sure, its definitely margin of error.
Wow, Cup Tires and only a 1.5 second advantage? Should put the Megane in here as well, will probably beat both.
Only 1.5s? That is huge difference on a small track like that
Megane will beat if you will take out back seats, door panels …, also you got to put slik tire on it. Regular RS from dealership won’t do it.
@@silimarina. not when you have tyres that already make you 3 seconds faster
Trying to think of when I would remove the A/C and stereo from my Civic to my lap time a fraction of a second. Maybe when race for money and I am not the weak link holding the car back.
Wait Mat, I just googled and learned that you are automotive journalist with years of experiences. I thought drag racing for Carwow was your first time in racing lol. I should have known that you could race after I saw you doing donut and drift with the cars that you reviewed.
He was with another company before car wow as well he’s been doing it his whole life
Let’s keep it real, CUP 2 vs S1 EVO 3, the Golf is just as fast as the Type R on the same rubber. I’m trying to get an FK8 (the normal one, not this bullshit, no infotainment, no AC, 55000euro car) or a GTI CS and nobody did a real test on the same tires. Some of us are not muppets, I used to race, I know what the CUP2’s are and what they can do. There is a test, performed by Sport Auto magazine, with the normal FK8 GT version on (Conti SC6) and the GTI CS (on Bridgestone Potenza Sport 005) on Hockenheim, which is a power hungry circuit, where the Golf wins by 0,1 sec. I’m not trusting that test neither because they are germans and they want the GTI to won. But the cars are pretty close on the same tires, it will be very hard to choose one. Honda has 5 year warranty compared to 2 for the GTI, but the GTI has better fuel economy and it is a bit more confortable on long journeys… :/
Do a review about the new mini cooper jcw
Didn't beat the Golf he say's. You are right, he destroyed it !
Sticky Tires vs Sports tires...there’s the 1.6 sec...
civics faster in general round a track
Oh a d the civic is better
The civic is better
@@Aoccer
Fan girls incoming
@@skylined5534 oh my is this poor guy feeling offended, sorry mate
The LE is an absolute weapon 🙌❤️
Oh dear, golf has a dual clutch fancy box, and still gets hammered by the manual type R.
Lol dry your eyes VW fanboys
Hammered?! 😂 a little quicker around a circuit and gets handed everywhere else?
Good job they didn't use the R as the bench mark performance VW... BYE-BYE BANANA SPLIT! 😂
@@skylined5534 yep
Hammered, not even DSG could save the golf.
That's a true reflection of how great the Civic is. Oh and if we are talking fairy tales of "if this, or if that “ then if the civic was DSG, then it would have time for a wash and wax while the golf is still finishing its lap.
So funny, the club sport, makes a good car a little better. The Ltd edition type R, makes a great car even greater.
@@bobbyg5904
Nope, sorry fella, 1.6 seconds isn't a hammering, 4 seconds like between the Megane Trophy and the non commercially available development CTR used by Honda for the Nordschleife... that's hammering. Yes the Trophy is more expensive and also yes, the CTR would need to become significantly more expensive than it currently is to even match the Megane.
And all I can say is it's a good job they didn't use a Clubsport S or even an R. Because the former and particularly the latter would cripple the CTR.
As for the fairytales? If Honda truly thought as you did the Civic WOULD have a DSG. They knew forced induction had to happen but thus far they're happy to retain a standard manual transmission.
@@skylined5534 oh man, you just nailed your coffin on any argument here mate, DSG better than one of the best manual boxes ever. You're clearly not a driver.
End of discussion.
And yes, 1.6secs is a hammering 😜
@@bobbyg5904
Oh *Bobbeh* you do talk some utter shit. Do you want to try to make your reply at least begin to make sense?
I had no idea I was in the presence of a Forza god 😂
There's no way on this earth I'd do that to my gti holy shit it would absolutely trash it. They may be sporty cars but I seriously doubt the build quality would put up with that
Anyone else think Matt changes his gears too early? Or am I just holding on to my gears too long?? 🤔
His 3rd civic run is bang on short shift 500rpm early in first as there's literally no point hanging out our for the extra 2mph and hung out the rest of the gears. Launch wasnt great tho. Looks like the clutch was dumped rather than feathered like you should in fwd. Mat obviously knows what he's doing tho. Otherwise we wouldn't be sat here watching. Lol
@@samuelpearce1702 Yep, can't argue with that! Lol 👍🏼
It's complicated, revs don't equal performance.
Literally bounced it off the limiter several times.
@@samuelpearce1702 Launch was bad, and his changes take a long long time, i mean these are more light hearted videos but his manual shifting is slow in general
well I was about to ask you questions about your personal channel Mr. Mat, but you finally posted a video :D please keep uploading more oftenly, we love your reviews dear sir : )
Civic type R ❤️❤️❤️
almost 4,9 second on a FWD
Who else loves Matt?
I couldn’t do without the a/c and dont like the look of the civic but I’ll bet it’s a blast to drive.
Matt still the best car reviewer out there!...now just to get rid of the effing bleeps...keep it real....we`re not 12 year olds...
Most guys in the comment section are.
Revenge it to high...take traction control completely off...huge difference..I did a 13.20 in the 1/4 mile in the regular and better type r
Waiting for the drag race between Mat and Yanni😂
Really liking mat watson cars format mat 👍🏻👌🏻 track battles was the only thing missing.
When Matt calls himself "Mathew"
How can someone talk while trying to get the best out of the car? Mat you are tooo talent and fast
why compare DSG vs manual?
Because both models are aimed at similar customers.
@@gavinwyllie7855 beyond the point. The Golf comes in manual.
The real test is to do laps in each one over and over and see which can hold up to more seat time