ULTRA FAST 12K Resin 3D Printing! Anycubic Photon Mono M5s!
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- Anycubic now has a 12K RESIN 3d printer, and it prints SUPER FAST. It's the Photon Mono M5s. You can get one for yourself here ▶ bit.ly/3MgqnQv
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Industrial functions would be 1. less peel force, 2. resin heater, 3. low resin warning and or refilling system 4. VOC filter.
low resin warning is pointless, after a couple of years of resin printing I never ever tun out of resin (got a few 10" printers and they work almost every day) and VOC filter? you don use it where ppl are it is a simple fact (only if you want them to be sick) 3D printers are not for the office nor bedroom/living room, you must keep them in a separate area
@@xeraoh Both features might be pointless for you personally which is fine. However they are not pointless per se. For me they are very useful. And I do use my printer in the office with a air purifier like many others too. The reason why you keep it in an other room is beause you have no other solution which in itself shows it is not pointles it is useful for certain people. We have printers ranging from 250k to 1k at work and no none of those features is pointless.
The refilling system would be better than a low resin warning. Resin heater would be nice, then I wouldn't have to keep my house so warm in the summer.
@@EchoMirage72 Better yes, however also more complicated and way more expensive. It would be best to have a choice between the two. Resin heater is absolutely necessary for engineering material. It needs about 30°C. In general the warmer the resin the better it reacts.
So im not a huge resin printer fan by any means, but this is still pretty cool, high speed+no leveling and a decent price, not bad...
Right, I agree with you!
After seeing a guy on reddit get a bottle explode on him and thoroughly coat his eyeballs I'm kinda leary about getting into this side of 3D printing. I had no idea that the bottles could rupture like that but it should be known before diving into this.
are u supposed to pour resin on top plate or have u found that easier
@@PLr1c3r read the Safety Data Sheet on these resins and be extremely careful. I do gloves, goggles and apron - I know I gave you a visual of the Muppet "Beaker" but this stuff is pretty dangerous if it gets on you. Print safe!
@@PLr1c3r I hope he was using the recommended eye gear safety. I had a similar thing happen, but I was using eye protection.
Can confirm this machine is pretty wickedly fast and the prints are just... awesome
Elegoo is the next ?
You should try the new sheet and fast resin with a previous gen resin printer and see if you can just use it to speed up the prints of an older printer.
Ya damn right... need to try this.
Was thinking the same thing!
Vote up, this is a must do!
I was thinking the same, but I believe we will have to go strong in the UV power cause the exposure time will be so low and those new screens have a better light source.
If it's 12k could you compair the prints to a same size printer that's 8k, 6k and 4k maybe? I really would like to see the differences in quality between them.
the wavelength of the UV at this point is whats limiting it. 4k and above provide very very little extra print quality, its all marketing at this point
@@FryedWater Hmm I see what you mean. I do think slicers also are a limiting factor
Another thing to add, is the newer screens are much more expensive when (not if) they need replacing... 4K screens are easier to find and cheaper. Something else to consider.
Well part of the 12K benefit is that we are at a larger build volume. You aren't really getting extra resolution over a say 4K printer unless you print at that same build volume. We would really need to break this down to something like pixels per inch^2 to make an accurate comparison.
@@VesuviasV Sure but I specifically said compaired to the same size print sizes. Like a mono x 4k, 6k or a phrozen mighty 8k. These are all about the same sizes.
Anycubic apparently passed these things out like Halloween candy to TH-cam presenters and now I’m seeing what might be confused with advertising. This presentation is the best so far. From my perspective, I’m learning all the things wrong with my earlier model Anycubic. I’ll trade up if they take trade-ins.
I was almost tempted away from my Saturn 2s for a moment, but the speed really seems to be much closer to what you'd expect when you do smaller layer heights. When everything I do is at .03mm, it's not quite something to jump ship for yet.
Very cool models from Fotis Mint and the machine did amazing.
I'm so stoked for high speed, high detail resin printing making its way down to desktop printers!!! My wife got me a Mars 2 Pro when they were on sale last year & I was instantly hooked. I just want a world where I can crank out massive high speed, high detail resin prints for fairly cheep and my FDM printing is relegated to nothing but hard structural prints or flexible TPU prints.
I'm waiting and watching before pulling the trigger on my first resin printer
This one has my attention 👀
I would absolutely love to see Fotis Mint's Balrog compared from low to high speed, it's such a detailed model!
This is a game changer. No messing around with leveling. The all the prints on this machine can theoretically be done in 2 hours. Not bad. Not bad
I left DLP/LCD printers this year for my business but these are getting great! I kept my mighty 8k printers for fun and personal use but this looks nice for sure!
This is amazing!
Technically, YOU are amazing.
Dang dude looks really good!
Great video content on every video I love it
I was looking at this exact printer yesterday! Much helpful. (I am upgrading from the original photon so it would be a sizeable jump to me)
I'd love to see some of the BIG Artisan Guild or Loot Studios Minis :) :)
Thank you for making it once again harder upgrading to a new printer...
Still can't decide if I want to wait for a cheaper DLP-Printer or get an Anycubic one :(
This almost feels too good to be true. What an incredible piece of tech, and what a great price!
Really cool.
Nice ! I'm wondering if we can still use flexible build plate with it ? And use others resins like ABS-Like or Siraya Blu ? Thank again for your videos ! :)
You’ll be able to use any resin but you won’t get the high speed. Also, the speed really only works on low detail prints (0.1 for resin? What’s the point of a 12k screen then)
I would love to know how much will a screen replacement cost for this printer considering the M3 Premium 10.1" 8k screen retails at $140. Taking that into account, early bird price seems like a pretty good bang for the buck.
That is the reason I will never buy any Anycubic products again. They screw you on replacement parts. They also abandon their old products really quickly. I needed a 2-inch wire for my filament run out sensor. They wanted $25 USD for it. Crazy.
$300-400 is at the moment.
Got my new M5s set up today and have been printing non-stop with the High Speed resin and so far no issues whatsoever. Even printed some items at 100 um and the resolution was phenomenal, considering the insane speeds.
You did 0,1 mm hight, or 0,01 mm? I want to buy resin printer with hight quality, but I don't know if it's worth it
@@synthfur05 (100um = 0.1mm) Only printed at that resolution when I was testing the High Speed Resin. Now I typically print at .035mm.
I’d like to see some of the fan mods from the fan showdown. Done in fast and regular with the fan test. Would be a good durability test.
It’s funny the leveling free feature because we implement something similar on the Prometheus MSLA last year that was unseen 😂
i love this printer..
Exciting to see the 12K printer, but there is a small question:
The pixel sizes are often very close, but the printer is 1/(11520/218) x 1/(5120/123) which suggests 18.92um by 24.02um, so the y-axis resolution is almost 20% less than on the x-axis, does it affect the printing precision in some way?
Thats what I'd like to know as well
While you are there you should review the resin. The Anycubic Craftsmen Resin is low viscosity as is their DLP Resin. I suppose we will get a 12K Resin soon. You have claimed the new FEP and resin allow for the faster prints. You can put those on any printer, put them on the Mage Pro and see what you get.
Thanks for this! I'm deciding on buying it 🙌 with the normal speed mode, can I use regular kind of resin, right? I mean other than low viscosity
Im so buying that!
Great product review, i have pre purchased already as im due an upgrade. I would like to see a comparison print of Fotis Mint Odin the wanderer, several different materials in the print, face, cloth, stone and bird would show up very well in comparison. Or maybe the Cthulhu head. Cheers
So it means there will be ACF film replacements available from Anycubic so you can retro-fit it to other printers to use higher motor speeds? Interesting! 😅
I was pretty excited to hear about the M5s (ready to put a clip of Dr. Daystrom from Star Trek saying "The M5 has been perfected Commander, it's potential is a fact!" in my review) but when it came time to buy a new resin printer one week after this review I looked at the lead time for the U.S. and it was 3 months! Ahhh! I want it in the beginning of summer and I can't get it until the end of summer. Bummer! One other thing: In dealing with lifelike robotics the average human head is about 6-7 inches wide and the M5s depth is only 4.84". And if there's one thing we all know, you can't take over the world with an army of robots with pygmy heads! Plus, I wondered how the miracle of speed was achieved. Surely fancy algorithms and speed calculating electronics weren't the only tools? That low viscosity resin? My thought was "Could that resin be used on OTHER MSLA printers and with a few modifications to settings might it give a reasonable advantage to ANY MSLA printer?" Someone want to check that out? Someone named Joel who has a volume of different printers at his disposal and a curious mind? End of story is I bought the M3 MAX. No auto leveling, no Wi-Fi, no advertised speed, no 12K (7K will do) but at a depth of 6.46" heads will roll and I'm starting to think about uniforms.
Sounds neat, but I barely use my AnyCubic Mono X. I thought I would use a resin printer more. But fdm is skill king in my shop. Nice to see improvements though
I would like to know, how fine a part can be and still be able to print. For example: print the Photon mono X test cube with the finest bars possible.. is there a callenge like that going on anywhere?!
And is there a difference between 4k, 8k and 12k?!
It's great to see MSLA technology continuing to improve with higher resolution and faster print times. I'd love to see a really good automated wash, dry and UV post cure system to take a lot of the sloppy messy chemistry out of the process.
Thank you for this quick review, but what about the price for spare parts? It seems to be a very good printer for the early bird price, but what comes next? Screen, FEP, VAT, platform ( which is more complex for auto-levelling) , high speed resin, I need more infos about all of it before buying such a machine
So you can also use other resin types, like water-washable ones, setting the printer to "normal speed"? Thanks!
12K? 12? Where have I been? There's 12K screens now? Where did they get those? Oh man, I mean I think at this point we are beyond the resolution we can actually detect with the naked eye! Joel, you are so cool and it was awesome to finally meet you at PUG last week.
12K,... "Monochrome" screens - pixel count is about the same as a 5K RGBW screen, only for the colour screens you count the colours as a group, here the individual elements are counted.
impressive
I got curious & looked at their site. When I looked at the prices there was an option to purchase 1 of those wash & cure thingies, but along with the name of it was mentioned the dimensions (of print) that the w&c could handle. Even on the larger W&C+, the listed maximum dimensions for a model are smaller than the max printable size of the new printer. Not a problem if you just want to print multiple smaller models, but if you want to push the printer to its size limits you're gonna have to find an alternative w&c solution.
I am more interested what 12k print detail does look like in comparsion to like the 8k ones or what's there.
Anisotropic Conductive Film film? Sounds great :)
But seriously, I'm not a resin printer user due to the small build size and extra washing and curing required, but this does look like a big step forwards which is always impressive to see in any tech.
Great tip on the screen protector too, nice!
That 'film' is for electronics, this clown has no clue...
Where are we going to be in a year from now with all these great things happening in 3D printing?
Can you explain the difference between the pixel resolution depending on the axis, this is taken from the official specs:
1/(11520/218) x 1/(5120/123) which suggests 18.92um by 24.02um, so the y axis resolution is almost 20% less than on the x axis?
Can't agree more, I have the same doubt.
Cost of the film replacement and support for abs like resin and still print fast. I might consider.
Hi, see the spare CFA frame you have there was that with the printer of bought separately? I've seen a couple of reviews of people now with it actually coming out the sealed box but I got my printer today I only got a screen protector? Thanks
Do the cube test at the smallest layer height or a sphere. Things that typically show layer lines and stair stepping the most.
Absolutely blown away that they are selling this for like half a grand. You could buy THREE of these, plus hundreds of dollars worth of resin, processing tools/equipment/materials, etc, and still have a setup that costs less than JUST the prusa 'speed' printer. And these are literally twice as fast. Holy moly. For resin print farm people this is an immediate buy.
Hey there! I’m curious about ACF film and high speed resin on the og anycubic photon? It’ll make fast prints as well?
I would like to see a fair comparison with same layer height and same model. And also how it works with different resin, I love my ABS like and would not want to go away from the the mechanical properties just for speed.
Would the film and the resin not also improve already exiting Resin printers?
How much is the "high speed" resin vs regular resin? Print something in regular resin to see the quality and time it takes.
New to 3d printing, I am contemplating pre-ordering this printer how long till you have to replace the ACF film and what is the cost? How much does this high speed resin cost and can it be used with regular resin.
Hi big question would be thr cost of the Resin. If it's about the same size as other resins it's fine but if it is way to expensive then is the speed worth it?
Also how will the supply be on this resin?
For printing I would love to see something like a blaster or armour. Interesting to see how big, flat curved surfaces come out.
Have not had any experience with resin printers and wondering if parts printed on a for example Prusa printer using PLA or PETG would have the same strength as a part printed on the resin printer show cased? Hi 5!
Have you done any exposure testing? even that step can ignore?
Do you have any information on whether there will be a max version coming in the near future? :)
Did you use high speed resin on the long print?
Is resin better than abs when it comes to flexibility? I want to avoid the cleanup of abs but want the resin print to be strong and have flexibility. What's the best choice?
What is this using for a slicer? What type of files? The one thing that has prevented me from upgrading from my original Mars, is the Chitubox lockdown ... If it will not accept Prusa Slicer output natively, big turnoff for me.
Real cool about the highspeed resin & other features, how brittle is the highspeed resin? What type of UV system is it using?
Hey Sir...question did you slice your models in photon workshop or lychee...
Did you use the high speed resin for the regular speed print?
That high speed print was done with a 100 micron layer height. That's kinda coarse given the 19 micron pixel size.
But 1084 layers/hour seems pretty quick regardless.
Wonder what the sunlu or jayo resin would like on this printer, they are pretty low viscosity.
Any info on how good high speed resin burns out for castings by chance?
You didn't mention anything about the spring loaded screen. How does it work?
I just added a Mono X 6k to my Equipment. The Standard settings are very close to my old Photon printer, regarding to the printing time... And printing faster often means more Trouble...
I'm not too well versed on resin printing, why did you pore in on the underside of the build plate rather than straight into the vat?
Can you do a print quality test between that printer and say the elegoo Saturn 8k? Love to know the overall print times for something 100mm hight and the difference in quality between high speed and normal vs elegood Saturn 8k
Can you do a calibration print to compare dimensional accuracy? Would be nice to know if it can be relied on for tight fitting parts.
My experience is resins are more important than the machine for accuracy. Shrinkage is one issue and minimum x/y accuracy is another in resins.
Would you make a recommendation for fast print but with "normal" resin?
How is the Anycubic for jewelry printing? And whats the best resin to use with it?
Does AA work properly?
A have a photon mono and it doesn't work at all even though they advertised it.
Could we get a comparison to other recent 8k’s?
So excited! I just bought this a little while ago, for $379. I got the early bird discount plus another $20 discount! And was able to take advantage of the buy 3 for the price of 2 High Speed Resin!! Woohoo! By the way, while purchasing this printer on the Anycubic site, I put this printer into the cart, it showed up at $678, then I added a second printer to the cart and it then showed the discounted price. So I'm assuming the normal price for this printer, after early bird deals, will be $678 U.S. Dollars.
How did you get the extra discount?
@@balkenkreuz2063 It was just a browser extension app. I believe this particular one was the Capital One app or the Honey app. Can't recall exactly which one, but it gave an additional $20 discount.
an early bird was $399
@@666Azmodan666 Right…it was $399 but I was also able to get an additional $20 off as well
question about that 105mm per hour. is that assuming the entire build plate area is used or for a 1cm x 1cm tower? because i'm sure it will take a lot longer to print a 10cm x 10cm tower than a 1cm x 1cm tower. 😅
can i use your thumbnail img for my etsy 12k printer add? i really like it thanks!
I know it is out of your usual ballpark but E.S Monster has a very nice Triss Merigold sculpt.
That's great, that 0.1mm layer height model printed at 18.066 layers per minute.
My 10.3" 8K Nova3D Whale3 SE using Aorita ACF did a full build plate of models (one was Fotis Mint "V" bust and base, the other a detailed replica of an M4 which had many parts that needed to precisely fit together), at 0.05mm layer height, at 17.78 layers per minute, with fantastic detail and accuracy. I could probably reasonably make it faster 20% faster before running in to trouble...
I only used 'conventional' Nova3D Grey Ceramic Water Washable resin for that print.
So it's a combination of the ACF and a good printer.
(By the way, ACF doesn't seem to make the "FEP pop" noise.)
Can I find out the lift/retract heights and their speeds you are using?
@@edmundcheow760 I answered shortly after you asked your question and TH-cam "ate" it, sorry.
Lift heights 3-5mm, lift and retract speeds 120-240 mm/min., generally depending on what I'm printing.
I’m running my Phrozen Mighty 8k at 70mm/ hour (150 um layer)with either Phrozen Speed resin or Sirayatech’s Fast. Might be interesting to test how far that new sheet would be able to take this machine.
Get some ACF from Aorita for your printer, I use it and it really is a game-changer.
hi there thanks for the video.i bought a m5s but there is a problem that freak me out.after awhile of printing it gives an error 1101 screen fault and printing fails.
can you help me with that??
One question to ask. You tried this with non fast resin? Womdering if there is that mych of a difference to spend double or more what i ususlly get my resin for.
Hello, I have a question about the auto level mechanism. Do you think you can make a flexplate (magnetic) to the buildplate? Or will that make it too thick and not work? Thanks and great review
Uncle Jessy did some testing that shows very promising results. With a flex plate used as a spacer between the plate and he vat, the auto-calibrarion succeeded and the print started. We will know for sure soon enough.
I did it. I preordered an M5s and a Wash Plus. This will be my first resin printer so it could be interesting. At least I hope it will be interesting. The other possibility is disastrous but lets not go there.
Looking forward to some real tests. I come from the EXTREME detail of the 3d printing world with resin. Micro accessories for miniatures for example. So the fast speed is at .1? so the .05 seems like it should take 45 min x2 or 1 1/2 hours am I missing something? Love your stuff I am glad FDM is getting a bigger push for detail for two years they stopped trying because of resin. Resin has its drawbacks and FDM has a great future if they and we keep pushing its boundaries.... thx
You're correct, I get more or less the same results as Joel showed, using Aorita ACF in my 10.3" 8K Nova3D Whale3 SE.
0.05mm takes more or less twice as long as 0.1mm, of course.
105mm fast risen
70mm normal risen
rather normal resin is about 56minutes, 0.05mm 56x2
How are printing without the lid on so close to it? I thought VOCs and fumes were a problem.
I wonder how the definition of such a small voxel is affected by the diffused ACF film since the printer lacks a focusing system and relies solely on the collimation of the LED array. Maybe you could try print a checker pattern (2x2, 3x3, 4x4, pixels and so on) and check what the minimum resolution is to achieve crisp features of empty and filed tiles in the printed pattern.
saturn 3 ultra has light flux corrections and on YT there are printouts comparing with m5s and I don't see the difference there ... I admit that I would prefer to have a printer with this correction but I prefer to have a resistance sensor because it gives more possibilities, such as leveling, detecting the amount of resin, printing resistance if it will fall off, you won't dent it in the lcd or, for example, such a function as automatic detection of how much the printer has to raise before the next layer, which shortens the printing from 9h to 6h (I hope they will add it because the equipment is there).
Does resin still stink up your house? Like I have my Prusa/ender by my desk. Could i do this with Resin? This is the first printer compelling me to make the jump.
I use resin prints for structural engineering parts. I'd like to see pull tests to failure with parts printed from different resins at different print speeds and different layer heights.
So I know I'm like 3 weeks late, but I'd love to see some of loot mini's busts on the comparison
I'm trying to figure out what "auto leveling" means in this context? It looks to me like they just have a rigid build plate that's level to the vat, there's no active auto leveling going on. I'm also disappointed that the high-speed settings seem to require such chunky layers. That said, I absolutely pre-ordered this for the 12K screen (I'm currently running a 3K Halot ONE Pro) and a couple other features.
Love your content. Can you use different types of resins with this printer like phrozen nylon tough green
Sure can!
One concern I would have with the 12k screen is the replacement cost. Anycubic is generally more expensive the Elegoo for there screen replacement costs and the 12k is definitely going to increase the cost compared to say the 6k or 8k screens. There there is this new FEP sheet which I bet will also cost more then say a generic one off of Amazon. I do love the auto leveling and speed settings though. My two cents.
This is the same screen used by Elegoo in their 12 printers.
I just bought the m3...printed one time and the fep film broke first time using. I didnt know that the fep film is preframed. Had to order replacement from china. 2 for 30€... really expensive. Had to wait 3 weeks for it. Just came yesterday. Now i have to decide to sell the m3 and buy the m5 or maybe the elegoo mars 3 pro which is really cheap right now (under 200€ and the fep replacements are much cheaper).
With my eleggo mars 2 pro i nevwr had problems.
does it do ceramic resin ?
Why do you pour the resin over the print head as opposed to straight into the vat?
Feels similar to the Bambu Lab X1 advancement when it comes to ease of use, but for resin. Having to make sure my resin plate is level is one of the reasons I dont use it near as much.
Frankly I have actually been back and forth between what to upgrade between my resin printer and FDM printer. I was looking at the FDM because there really hasn't been many big advances in resin. This printer actually made it a pretty tough choice. I kinda want to start doing more models and painting though. For functional parts my FDM machine already does a fine job and most of the time I am not really that concerned about the speed of it.
@@MaethorDerien what's speed got to do with it? You can't buy faster anyway, so you can't go wrong.
Do you have to use High Speed resin or can you get away with the normal stuff?
How does this compare to a FORM 3? Obviously, you can't use the same resin, but it'd be fun to see :)