just as advice in the future, SC1 tanks are not always better sieged. for large targets it is often better to keep them unsieged for the mobility since all you lose is splash damage.
I think sc1 medics have an incredible advantage over sc2 medivacs which is they are EXTREMELY hard to single out of a bio mass, while medivacs are super easy to single out... not to mention the fact that they can fly right over all your units means plays often end up sending them face first into the enemy.
@@Caipi2070then you got mass mines from vultures to counter said handlings. Common to see vulture hit squads along with bio in the BW pro gameplay so I’m sure it’s been done in the mod
No, because "SC1" Medics are single-purpose units that you have to produce out of a Barracks one at a time, whereas "SC2" Medivacs serve in a far wider variety of functions and can be produced two at a time from a Starport with a Reactor. Terran would get destroyed by Ling/Bane if they still had Medics instead of Medivacs.
I wonder if this would over time be possible to balance well enough so each race would get a sub-faction, creating 6 races insteas of 3. Like C&C Kane's wrath added two variants for each faction. Players could pick a flavor of the race that fits their playstyles better, and mirror matches would potentially be a lot more different.
I hope this takes off. I’d love to see custom games like this get into a real production type setting and maybe even see some hybrid sc1/sc2 tournaments. Are all the same upgrades and tech researches available for the SC1 units? Didn’t look like Zurvan had the speed upgrade on his hydras in that game. Looks like he didn’t know he had to morph his creep colony’s into sunkens haha
It's wild to see Lowko, Winter and others covering this mod, I bet it'll get more eyes in the next few weeks/months! As far as I know the tech should all be the same with some minor balance tweaks, but I'm not familiar enough with the mod yet to know for certain. Haha yeah from what Zurvan told me he's just getting back into it SC, I'm not sure how familiar he is with the SC1 tech tress 😅
Casting more casual games was actually the initial idea for my channel! I always loved watching casual games because they were more representative of what I would see on the ladder, but now we have it with mods 😂
@@ElleixGaming man, these games were our childhood! I mean it!.. And seeing somebody remaking them for the modern audience makes me happy. Thank you for covering this.
i feel like banelings would have been insane vs the bw terran bio. they dont have medivacs to just pick up and disengage, the best thing sk terran can do is stim and split and pray their targetfire is good enough
if i was the sc1 player i would be using the hell out of the spellcasters. SC1 spellcasters are insanely broken, particularly the ghost. lockdown is just a crazy ability to have
Man, seeing the old siege tank AND the firebat, the old Goliath, it's just so great. I hope Blizzard gets it right and supports this one, it could revive the SC community and bring strategy games back to the fore. Using all these units from SC1 and SC2 is great, just make them different factions, it would be awesome. As well as making coop versus competitive as well. Let's hope Blizzard does NOT drop the ball on this one like they did with DOTA 1, back on the days of Warcraft III.
SC1 looks amazing and brings back so many memories, one of the best things is they've brought the blood back to the animations, in SC2 everything goes black once a unit dies, it's so boring.
Subscribed! Love this mod! And I truly hope that this will sky rocket in popularity and become mainstream. This is what Blizzard failed to do - and all the resources were just with them. Also, I dunno, every time I watch an SC1 vs SC2 video, I lowkey root for the SC1 player to win haha
Really appreciate the subscribe man, stoked you enjoyed the game! Right? It will always amaze me that Blizzard let such a famous title under their ownership go. So much could have been done with it and people would support it. Same here haha it would be so cool to see SC1 win against SC2!
Zurvan isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Could just make a missle turret since he already should make engineering bay for his bio upgrade. Edit: Didn't notice he was floating 5k resoruces so he is just new and not dumb lol.
I was focusing on other parts of the game and I noticed the zergling really late. Like 20 seconds before my message haha. I was like. Why is Command Center not placed already when I did it 2 times!!!!
Hey! That Marine has 45 health! Does it mean that firebats have bad reaction like in Starcraft 2? Are wraiths overpriced, slow and weak like in Starcraft 2 too? Would be interesting if Starcraft 2 player had access to Diamondbacks.. Oh wait they have Cyclones which are just better in everyway. Starcraft 2 is weird.
It's amazing seeing that even SC1 marines can still be really strong against zerg units. They're so much weaker and yet perform their role perfectly well.
@@hiei49well we dont how armor work in this mod but the SC1 siegtank deal 70 damage to all the unit and 50 % of that in aoe making it hit must harder than the SC2
I guess the overmind zerg is a lot more stronger than the one that evolved and adapted after he died I definitely would love to see a starcraft 1 zerg take on a starcraft 2 terran and see them steal and infest their command centers
@@ElleixGaming oh please do sir I honestly would love to see if that would work, imagine an army of explosive infested terran joining the fray how will the sc2 terran player react to that
Attacking a marine to take out burrowed zerling does not work. CC is huge and you dont know where exactly is that zerling, so you need to waste multiple marines for one zerling.
10:20 sieging the tanks in that situation was actually a bad play. SC1 tanks are different from SC2. they do not get any damage boost from sieging. the only difference is splash damage. unsieged tanks are actually really strong against roach/ravengers here
Oh that's me on Terran :D. Thanks for casting this one :D
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and on zerg !!!!! Zurvan here
Thanks for submitting it! Super fun games to cast
Good game man
just as advice in the future, SC1 tanks are not always better sieged. for large targets it is often better to keep them unsieged for the mobility since all you lose is splash damage.
I think sc1 medics have an incredible advantage over sc2 medivacs which is they are EXTREMELY hard to single out of a bio mass, while medivacs are super easy to single out... not to mention the fact that they can fly right over all your units means plays often end up sending them face first into the enemy.
not to mention medivacs are absolutely screwed when facing viper.
but have you heard of banelings?
@@Caipi2070then you got mass mines from vultures to counter said handlings. Common to see vulture hit squads along with bio in the BW pro gameplay so I’m sure it’s been done in the mod
No, because "SC1" Medics are single-purpose units that you have to produce out of a Barracks one at a time, whereas "SC2" Medivacs serve in a far wider variety of functions and can be produced two at a time from a Starport with a Reactor. Terran would get destroyed by Ling/Bane if they still had Medics instead of Medivacs.
medics heal way faster iirc.
I wonder if this would over time be possible to balance well enough so each race would get a sub-faction, creating 6 races insteas of 3. Like C&C Kane's wrath added two variants for each faction.
Players could pick a flavor of the race that fits their playstyles better, and mirror matches would potentially be a lot more different.
I see those likes climbing. You have become the custom race guru. Glad to see the Zerg match up.
Slowly but surely💪 you've been along on this ride since the start!
So nostalgic and interesting!
SC1BW x SC2 is all I've ever wanted to see.
Keep bringing this EXCELLENT content, bro!
(Hugs from Brazil!)
The nostalgia is real! I really appreciate the kind words, awesome to see Brazil supporting my content!
nice to see one of these games with firebats utilized
The sc1 units look great on sc2. & sound effects are so much better. Love these matches
It adds so much life to the SC1 units for sure, plus seeing the SC1 units move on the SC2 engine looks so good too
hydras are 1 supply btw
I love the idea for that mod :) Finally a reason to play SC2 again
big fan of this mod lately, so much good content from it
starcraft 1 command centre looks so natural!
I hope this takes off. I’d love to see custom games like this get into a real production type setting and maybe even see some hybrid sc1/sc2 tournaments.
Are all the same upgrades and tech researches available for the SC1 units? Didn’t look like Zurvan had the speed upgrade on his hydras in that game.
Looks like he didn’t know he had to morph his creep colony’s into sunkens haha
It's wild to see Lowko, Winter and others covering this mod, I bet it'll get more eyes in the next few weeks/months! As far as I know the tech should all be the same with some minor balance tweaks, but I'm not familiar enough with the mod yet to know for certain.
Haha yeah from what Zurvan told me he's just getting back into it SC, I'm not sure how familiar he is with the SC1 tech tress 😅
likely reason you remember firebats bigger might be cause SC2 campaign used the marauder model for them
You know what that's totally it! Also I think in the cartooned version they're comically huge lmao
YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DAWG
No pressure here at all lmao
It's nice to see some games that us meer mortals have a chance of emulating!
Casting more casual games was actually the initial idea for my channel! I always loved watching casual games because they were more representative of what I would see on the ladder, but now we have it with mods 😂
Love these! Subscribed.
I'm glad you're enjoying the videos, really appreciate the subscription!
@@ElleixGaming man, these games were our childhood! I mean it!.. And seeing somebody remaking them for the modern audience makes me happy. Thank you for covering this.
I always loved Terran on Starcraft 1...
This is awesome! I've never really gotten into SC2 and I think SC1 has the best unit design\balance ever... Watching this was a blast.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! The modders did a great job of putting SC1 and SC2 together, that's for sure
i feel like banelings would have been insane vs the bw terran bio. they dont have medivacs to just pick up and disengage, the best thing sk terran can do is stim and split and pray their targetfire is good enough
if i was the sc1 player i would be using the hell out of the spellcasters. SC1 spellcasters are insanely broken, particularly the ghost. lockdown is just a crazy ability to have
Man, seeing the old siege tank AND the firebat, the old Goliath, it's just so great.
I hope Blizzard gets it right and supports this one, it could revive the SC community and bring strategy games back to the fore. Using all these units from SC1 and SC2 is great, just make them different factions, it would be awesome. As well as making coop versus competitive as well.
Let's hope Blizzard does NOT drop the ball on this one like they did with DOTA 1, back on the days of Warcraft III.
SC1 looks amazing and brings back so many memories, one of the best things is they've brought the blood back to the animations, in SC2 everything goes black once a unit dies, it's so boring.
Subscribed! Love this mod! And I truly hope that this will sky rocket in popularity and become mainstream. This is what Blizzard failed to do - and all the resources were just with them. Also, I dunno, every time I watch an SC1 vs SC2 video, I lowkey root for the SC1 player to win haha
Really appreciate the subscribe man, stoked you enjoyed the game! Right? It will always amaze me that Blizzard let such a famous title under their ownership go. So much could have been done with it and people would support it. Same here haha it would be so cool to see SC1 win against SC2!
Man, the flame from the Firebats are amazing. They are way better looking than those of the SC II Hellbats.
Zurvan isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Could just make a missle turret since he already should make engineering bay for his bio upgrade.
Edit: Didn't notice he was floating 5k resoruces so he is just new and not dumb lol.
Yeah these are community games haha hard to find pro level replays on this one, but it's quickly becoming popular
I was focusing on other parts of the game and I noticed the zergling really late. Like 20 seconds before my message haha. I was like. Why is Command Center not placed already when I did it 2 times!!!!
It was my 4th game as BW terran I think (2 versus AI)
@@Kytrionnice game, well done 👍
I'm not sure if it's just nostalgia, but the SC1 sounds are so much better.
i feel that second game like what was that starcraft 2 player doing aaa
I kinda am 95% sc2 player ...
Would love to see serral vs jaedong zvz
The SC1 mining animations for workers are new, or did i miss it before?
damn...in the ZvZ, do you think it's possible to neural a SC1 drone and make the SC1 hatchery, and have an army with brood war and SC2 units??
Oh wow that's a good question, I'm going to give it a shot! It would be such a trip to play both SC1 and SC2 Zerg simultaneously lmao
@@ElleixGaming imagine sc2 zerg with both kinds of queens + defilers, would be filthy
2:35 “You shall not pass！”
What rank are these players? Zerg never went over 30 drones.....
My friend,is any protpss from sc1 in this mod?
Oh yeah all three SC1 races are included, you can play Protoss!
@@ElleixGaming thx my friend,i know someone who loves protoss so thanks for asking my dumb question ouo
Hey! That Marine has 45 health! Does it mean that firebats have bad reaction like in Starcraft 2? Are wraiths overpriced, slow and weak like in Starcraft 2 too?
Would be interesting if Starcraft 2 player had access to Diamondbacks.. Oh wait they have Cyclones which are just better in everyway.
Starcraft 2 is weird.
Ver murcielagos de fuego arrazar zerling....es nostalgico...se lo comen con barbacoa jajajaa
when lurker + defiler?
It's amazing seeing that even SC1 marines can still be really strong against zerg units. They're so much weaker and yet perform their role perfectly well.
yeah, they only have 40hp, which is even less than base SC2 marine without combat shield upgrade.
Nah i think the tank do the hard work. The best SC1 terran unit by far
Zerg didn't make banelings. And wasted so many units :( Cool game tho. Love the new mod
This is fun
did they remove banelings for the mod?
Banelings should still be available for the SC2 zerg!
how do you play this on north america. when I type sc evo or starcraft evolution on custom game/arcade, i dont see any
the siege tank (sc1 version) damage is higher than the sc2 version ?
Its 70, but they are quite cheaper (150/100 and 2 supply iirc)
@@hiei49 Just tested BW's Terran race; Siege Tanks' cost is 150/125.
@@hiei49well we dont how armor work in this mod but the SC1 siegtank deal 70 damage to all the unit and 50 % of that in aoe making it hit must harder than the SC2
Zurvan just forgot to build macro hatches unfortunately. Floating a thousand gas when that big roach/ling ball came towards him.
Yeah. Mb. I am not the best Broodwar player.
I would have played this game completely different now. I had a lot to learn
any site too see units stats?
i have lots of replays of diamond plat and master matches just in case! xD
Send them my way! I’m always looking for more replays!
you should finish the cartoon sc1 series
You're right man, so much stuff to cover! I'll go back to the campaign series soon
Starcraft 1 hydras are just better. I have been watching these and the starcraft 1 zerg with starcraft 2 controls is just op.
I guess the overmind zerg is a lot more stronger than the one that evolved and adapted after he died I definitely would love to see a starcraft 1 zerg take on a starcraft 2 terran and see them steal and infest their command centers
Man I think I'm straight up going to try and infest a SC2 command center, I'm so curious if that would work!
I guess I know what I am gonna do next
@@ElleixGaming oh please do sir I honestly would love to see if that would work, imagine an army of explosive infested terran joining the fray how will the sc2 terran player react to that
Attacking a marine to take out burrowed zerling does not work. CC is huge and you dont know where exactly is that zerling, so you need to waste multiple marines for one zerling.
Yeah that's a great point, would be way more cost effective to build a missile turret and get detection, or throw down a scan from the comsat station
Great mod and great cast !
Really appreciate the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!
10:20 sieging the tanks in that situation was actually a bad play. SC1 tanks are different from SC2. they do not get any damage boost from sieging. the only difference is splash damage. unsieged tanks are actually really strong against roach/ravengers here
Sc3?$!
too greedy
Who the f is this zerg?
Noobs tho
I am getting better !!! There will be better games here. We got some higher rank players
TF was that editing at the end? I did not like those cuts at all
Terrible noob game.
I’d like to see Korean pro replays of this custom map if they are available
I haven’t got my hands on any yet but I’m keeping an eye out for them