Did Isaac Marry a Child in the Bible?
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- In Genesis did the patriarch, Isaac, marry his wife Rebekah when she was only 3 years old? Muslims often claim this is true to try and justify Muhammad marrying Aisha when she was 6, but how accurate is this claim?
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Imagine a 3-year-old girl pitching water from a well, and bringing a load of water to feed camels...
The bible says so. Just like the bible says a woman over 90 can get pregnant.
@@alonzoharris9049 no it doesn't 🤣
@@alonzoharris9049 The Bible doesn't say that Rebecca was a child. Furthermore the birth of Isaac through Abraham and Sarah is miraculous because of their age.
Like have you even read it bro?
@@gaiusoctavius5935
The bible makes that claim. The bible even claims that Rebecca has a nanny who looked after her. Her nanny went with her.
@@tbishop4961
It does say that. Sara was over 90 years old.
Not to mention this 3 year old was able to articulate sentences and take command of her father's house...
They must have raised her right!
The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty-seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time, Rebecca was born. HE WAITED FOR HER UNTIL SHE WOULD BE FIT FOR MARITAL RELATIONS-THREE YEARS-AND THEN MARRIED HER.- [From Gen. Rabbah 57:1]
@@ALC6501 The bible does not say that Rebekah was born then. It says, at some time before Sarah's death, that Abraham was notified that upwards of 13 people had been born, including Rebekah.
(R. Shmuel Chasid of Spira): She was 14 years old [when she married], since the Sifri brings six pairs who lived to be the same age. One of them is Rivkah and Kehas, and Kehas lived 133 years, like a verse says;
If she was 14 when she married, the calculation is correct. When Yakov was born she was 34, and Yakov was 99 when Rivkah died, so she lived 133 years.
Yakov was 63 when he received the Berachos, for then Yishmael died. Yishmael lived a total of 137 years, like it is written, and Yishmael was 14 years older than Yitzchak, and Yitzchak was 60 years old when [Yakov and Esav] were born. If so, Yishmael was 74 at the time.
There remain from the birth of Yakov until the end of Yishmael's life 63 years. He (Yakov) hid 14 years in the academy of Ever, like it says in Megilah (17a), and spent 20 years in Lavan's house;
He spent two years on the journey [back to Eretz Yisrael], and then Rivkah died, like we expound "Alon Bachus" - a double crying, over Rivkah and her nursemaid. This is 99 in all.
Conclusion: We must say that the Midrashos argue with each other. (According to the Sifri, we can say that she was truly a Na'arah, i.e. within six months after she brought two hairs.)
can be found on both dafyomi and on alldafi
confirmation from Jewish Encyclopedia:
"Other rabbis, however, conclude from calculations that she was fourteen years old, and that therefore she was born eleven years before the 'Aḳedah, both numbers being found in different manuscripts of the Seder 'Olam Rabbah (comp. Tos. to Yeb. 61b)."
Muslims go to all extent to validate for their Mr Muhammad’s actions.
They are partners in crime and will be interrogated by Jesus Christ on Judgement Day.
@@ALC6501 not interested in your editorializing
She rode on a camel by herself and got down off it by herself. It would be quite a drop for a 3-year-old. And Isaac didn't ask 'Who is that kid?'
Well, camels kneel for you to get on and off. But still, as someone who’s ridden one, it’d be extremely difficult for a 3-year-old on her own.
More like: ‘Who is that toddler?’
Mongol* toddlers could ride and fire bows at the ages of 2-3. A modern day 2-3 year old would have much difficulty doing these things, but that's because we live in completely different times.
It is no longer normal for toddlers and pre-pubescent persons to take on such responsibilities. Heck, even young adults (past puberty) can hardly handle the level of responsibility toddlers had in the past.
@@Someguy1357 Ya I dont believe you. That sounds like something someone made up to make themselves sound like great warriors or something
@@mastershake4641 It's a historical fact, but okay.
The Bible also says that Rebecca was sent to the well to draw some water for her family, can a three-year-old child do that?
"But...but.... NOW I CANT JUSTIFY MY PEDOPHILIA!!!!1!!!"
Freaking strong 3 year old lol
The bible says she can do that as a three years old.
Just look like the bible claims that a woman over 90 can get pregnant (Sara).🫠
@@electrical_cord 3 year old girl no less 💪👶
@@alonzoharris9049 The bible does not say she can do that as a three year old.
That is you projecting what you want into the bible.
It’s hilarious how Muslims prove that prophets were sinful 🤣🤣🤣 And at the same time they state that none of them sinned 😅
The Prophets (the representatives of God on this earth) are sinful according to you. They are sinless infallible human beings according to us, and according to the Jews too.
@@elmajraz6019 🤣 can you tell me why we die?
Which Jews are you talking about?
Noah was a drunk! Just one example.
@@elmajraz6019 and no, not according to me. To the Bible.
@@elmajraz6019 only one was sinless. JESUS!
If you’re a Muslim I can prove to you with your Hadith and Quran that false Muhammad was a sinner.
@@elmajraz6019 actually, better, why did the prophets die? Except Jesus of course. He came back and is alive forever more!
You’ll notice the only people who sided with Daniel in the debate of child marriage will only ever use marriages in Christianity as a counter argument
Whataboutism is the only argument Muslims can possibly make against this and it isn’t even a good one.
We are using your argument and criteria against you. It’s not whataboutism. It’s to demonstrate your dishonesty.
@@alonzoharris9049 Surah 4:34
@@brawlstarssponsorships
Are you making a logical argument? Or are you making an emotional argument?
Your god allows fathers to sell their daughters as slaves for pleasure in the bible.
@@brawlstarssponsorships you clearly have not read that verse properly
@@lfc223I have. So do you leave your wife’s skin green after beating her?
There is nothing within the Hebrew language that indicates that Rebekah was a child. In fact, the Hebrew seems to indicate that she was a mature woman at a reasonable marriage age.
You are making stuff up. What’s the definition of a child and woman in the Hebrew Bible?🫠
@@alonzoharris9049 No one is convinced by ur BS Alonzo, go cry somewhere else.
@@alonzoharris9049unlike IsLame where s3x with an infant is allowed, the Jewish culture uses puberty, which they set at after 12 minimum
@@alonzoharris9049 Quran 65:4 + tafsir Ibn Abbas, Ibn kathir, Al Jalalayn, Al- Tabari🤢 prepubescents
@Child Marriage Is LIBERAL & PERVERTED fax he's literally coping
My faith isn’t in Isaac though 😅 they just don’t want us to keep blaming Mohammed for marrying a child.
“Raping”
post puberty isnt exactly a child
@@Aksarallah It is a little absurd that people attempt to apply contemporary American age of consent to people in the Bible. As though a Biblical figure would be like "Yooo, got to check with my degenerate descendents from the Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0 era if it is okay to marry this girl of child-birthing age. Otherwise they will discredit God and follow Satan."
@@Aksarallah she was 9 and she menstruated at 14 she wasn’t post puberty mate
@@loyaltyoverlove9374 where did you get your facts from? Let me guess. wikislam
“Abraham allowing his wife to be taken by pharaoh does not justify that behaviour either.”
Damn, my wife’s boyfriend is gonna be really upset with that news. :(((
He let me get a Nintendo Switch for my birthday 😃
My partners partner. We don’t use gendered language in this household
he gives me an allowance if im good
Abraham did not allow it! It just happened! And had she been 3, she would have been at the tent! At leat, you can have her be 12-24, but 3 is not possible
They didn't bang!
actually insane that the argument here is "don't critique pedophilia, because other people might have also been pedophiles"
Pedophilia isn't even in the argument. To call these marriage pedophilic is nothing but anachronistic presentism.
The point here is that if you're going to make a claim that a practice is wrong, provide some actual evidence and then be consistent in how you apply it. Otherwise, you're just being a dishonest hypocrite.
@@Someguy1357 sorry my mum told me not to talk to pedophiles. my evidence that pedophilia is wrong is that it traumatises children, and anyone who defends it is a sick pervert. thank you for your time :)
@@Someguy1357 face the wall buddy.
@@Someguy1357 Which is exactly why Muslims can rape children today!
@@Someguy1357 anything before post puberty is pedophilia, you will face God’s wrath
How swole was Rebecca to be able to carry a jar of water from a well at 3 years old!
Could easily deadlift 250.
Wish Olympics were at that time, Rebecca would've been phenomenal 💪
If 3 years old can chimney sweep in UK 100 years back in time , then it's easy fro a 3 years old Rebecca to water camels:
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You christians should accept what is written in your Bible. The Jew Rabbis don't even deny this fact she was 3 years old:
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You know 3 years old that day is more mature than this day right?
@@mohandasghandi3441 are you still trying to make this argument? It’s just ridiculous, there’s no evidence. Whilst Mo went at it with an underage girl and there is for that
@@mohandasghandi3441they ate brain dead brother they think a 3 yo in dozens of years like know sucking it moms milk💀😊
I don't get where this idea comes from. I first read the Bible when I was 7. It was clear that Rebekah was an adult- to me, as a child. They must be trying really hard to mistranslate to create this argument.
Originally it comes from rabbinic writings/commentary on the mishnah.
(it is still arguments from silence, and does not recognize that the writings may be homiletic in nature).
I’ve never heard this child Rebekah lie until about a week ago, when a Muslim commented it on a YT vid and so I had to correct them.
@@niswr7319 It has been around for years. It is picking up lately because of IP/DH debate on child marriage.
Yes, she was an adult 10 year old. Source: Book of Jasher.
@@InescapableRealityOfficial you do realize that the book you refer to is lost, and all that exists are forgeries, right? 😂😂
I like how you explain that just because something is in the Bible it does not mean it is permitted.
Exactly, the bible records both the good deeds and bad deeds of people. It tells us right and wrong and uses both those stories of good and bad choices to teach us. Just because someone God favored did something does not mean it was right. God had counseled and disciplined many of his worshipers
Missing the point. The point is precisely that the Bible permits a more extreme version of the claims being made. So, on what basis are you claiming that the marriage is wrong? Your bible does not condemn Isaac for his marriage at all (because it was an acceptable custom). This is assuming the account is true in the first place.
@@Someguy1357 Isaac did not marry a 3 year old. That is a fact
@@Someguy1357 unlike the Quran, the bible always assumes that the reader is not a complete Moron.
Which is a problem nowadays, because so many of us are unbearably stupid, it's probably nothing but grace keeping us all from dying to coffee burns.
But the point is, the bible doesn't beat you over the head with it's point except in really specific circumstances. You are generally expected to realize that when Sampson kills a whole city because he's butt hurt that someone figured out his riddle, this is what we in the trades call _a dick move_
The text never tells you this. It expects you have both brain cells necessary to make this connection.
@@Someguy1357 If you claim the Bible says child, then give us the verse that says child. In Genesis 24, the word woman is three times applied to Rebeka and the word damsel is twice. Damsel is a young woman, not a child.
Prove your claim.
I can barely get my three year old niece to pick up her toys, yet we are supposed to believe Rebecca was watering camels at that age? Anyone who reads this passage and believes Rebecca was only three has obviously never been around a three year old.
3 year olds had chores in the US in the last century my guy.
@@Someguy1357 and what would those chores be? I’m around a three year old often, she’s not capable yet of understanding any kind of meaningful chores I could give her. I’m still trying to get her to clean up after herself.
One thing is for sure, a three year old doesn’t have the strength or mental ability to go down to the local town well and collect water.
@@Jon0387
In the west not but in history yes.
They get responsibility the moment they are born.
You don’t give your kids responsibilities. You are not allowed by the state who controls your children.
@@alonzoharris9049 that makes no sense, they get responsibilities the moment they are born? What kind of responsibilities could you give a newborn? I had a lot of chores and responsibilities as a child, but definitely not at three and younger. Children three and younger are not capable of doing the task described in Genesis, it is quite obvious from reading the text Rebecca was a young woman at that time.
@@alonzoharris9049 Feeling pity for you how hard your defending your false prophet 😢
I might be wrong, but I read that in Islam the prophets cannot commit major sins, so almost everything they do is morally permissible. Now, Christianity and Islam share many prophets. If I'm right, they wrongly think that this rule exists in Christianity as well, so this would explain why they are always screaming "But what about X doing Y in the Bible?". They are reading the Bible with their lenses and forcing the rules of their religion into ours.
Do you agree with Michael? He claims that Moses commanded numbers 31:18. He claims that he commanded this against the command of god. Do you agree?
That is essentially correct.
And they are incapable of comprehending that others don't hold those beliefs.
@@Tar-Elenion "incapable" is the right way to put it , Islam is brain cell destroying religion , it always disgusts me when i see the ignorance muslims shameless and dishonestly try to propagate
@@Tar-Elenion in other words they are incessitive to others and can't imagine a world outside their own paradigm
@@alonzoharris9049 You think Numbers 31:18 and Surah 4:24 are similar?
Ugh, I can’t wait for the “Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90” argument later on.
This tradition was used to justify “perpetual virginity” of Mary, as Michael Jones noted in his debate with Pikachu.
@@martytu20 If I recall correctly, Pikachu "won" that debate by using Thundershock on Michael Jones. It was super effective!
@@martytu20 this is true. Nothing in the Bible indicates any of the Marian dogmas are true or that the Theotokos was a child when she became the mother of God.
@@atomicninjaduck9200 please don’t insult my man Pikachu like that. He’s adorable. Hacker-Choo isn’t.
@Prasanth Thomas I am not Orthodox. I am Protestant, but I don’t have an issue with calling her “Theotokos”, since it’s an accurate description of her role in the Incarnation. I am also aware that the Bible implies that she was a fully grown woman and not 12 years old.
The amount of mental gymnastics to protect a child predator, and throwing biblical characters under the bus to do so.
And a lot of bible characters have plenty of character flaws. Especially the patriarchs. But this isn’t one of them lmao
@@twitherspoon8954
1.Most of these teachings comes from loving God first, but no one undestood this as _literally hating your parents_ , otherwise, christians would be universally know as rebel childs, plus we don't have any indication of Jesus being such.
2.Others verses you quoted has to do with God's jugdment towards the pharisses and people who refuse to obey Him.
3.Cannibalism? Really? this is an old critic, and takes Jesus's teachings way too literal.
4.Jesus literally healed the centurion's servant after that.
5. Another verse about God's wrath/jugdement towards bad servants.
6. Now this is interesting, the disciples should not boast about their own doing, as if this would earn their salvation, but they are doing exactly what Jesus told them.
Bad things were done in the name of Christianity? Yes, Does it aproves such thing? No, This is Christianity, not naziism.
And don't think you've debunked or exposed our faith mate, cuz you didn't.
@@twitherspoon8954 Luke 14:25-33, Jesus said:
"if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own mother and wife.., yes, even his own life"
Is now Jesus teaching us to be self loathing? or hate yourselves saying "i'm worthless and stupid"? No, again, this is a question of priority, if we love God first, and our family doesn't like if, we stick with the former, and we pray about the latter.
The others two arguments mate, are just... bad...
@@twitherspoon8954 Mate, its getting difficult to continue this argument, you're just mocking and not understanding anything of what i said or Jesus said, once you're open to discuss, I'l be back, if not, then goodbye.
@@Caioknight He’s not a very bright person.
1. His first mistake was a Cherry Picking Fallacy. He used many different translations to juxtapose his idea together.
2. The Bible is too intellectually sound for his brain to process contextual passages of literal, imagery, metaphors,personification, similes, parables, nor rhetoric as a whole.
3. Either he is ignorant (he is uninformed), or he is intellectually disingenuous because of #4 ->
4. He is unaware that Jesus is/was in FACT a historical person. Not even Agnostics, atheists, or historians deny that he ever existed.
Now whether or not they believe in his DIVINITY (being God) is another story, which leads me to #5.
5. There’s historical writings by people in his time frame that wrote of his apparent miracles, his followers, crucifixion, and pretty much everything that is the basis of Jesus, such as being executed by Pontius Pilate.
These being from non-Christians:
Thallus, Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, Tertullian, Emperor Trajan, Phlegon of Tralles, Celsus, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar Serapion, Suetonius, etc.
I’d go deeper into detail of each but it’ll be a waste of my time to a reprobated mind of his
God Bless❤
Someone (even good people) in the Bible sinning doesn't make that sin justifiable. Moses killed a man, David slept with his friend Uriah's wife and then got Uriah killed. Saul persecuted the early Church.
Yeah but Mary was probably only thirteen when she gave birth to Jesus I’m sorry just saying
@@evanevanf4033 Not a a canonical scripture therefore not valid.
@@evanevanf4033 probably not .. just saying.
@@internautaoriginal9951 And if referring to the Protoevengelium, it does not say she was 13 when she gave birth. It says "...she was sixteen years old when these mysteries happened."
The Protoevangelium of James 12
@@internautaoriginal9951 I heard that Jewish Law at the time allowed for a girl to be married off at thirteen and was even viewed as ideal by some Rabbinic leaders. How do you know that wasn’t the case?
When you read the passage, you'll get that Rebecca is a young woman and not a child, let alone a newborn.
"The Torah itself testifies that Yitzchak was 40 years old when he married Rivkah (25,20), which makes Rivkah 3 years old when she was married."
Rabbeinu Bahya, Bereshit 24:67
Scholars of the Torah disagree with you.
@Someguy1357 why do you want to be able to have sex with children?
@@Someguy1357 Objectively false
@@Someguy1357 The torah does "testify" that Yitzchack was 40. It does not say Rivkah's age.
The assertionthat she was 3 is an argument from silence.
@@darkblade4340 Of course, you know better than scholars of the Torah. The truth can be right before your eyes, but you are blind to see it.
I literally just read this part yesterday, and at no moment did I ever think that a 3 year old toddler was capable of drawing water from a well, having a full, coherent conversation with an adult, and being able to draw water for camels and said adult. Where do people get this idea?
This is the problem with you new age Christians. You apply a pagan view on the old testament and interpret our text through a modern scope. Logic says that a man can't split the sea. If you want to apply your own logic over the text then apply that principle on all the text, not just the age of Rebekah. I've been to Africa with the Jewish Relief and I've seen 6 year olds carry heavy stuff. You can literally search up "how much can a 3 year old lift" and you'll find all kind of personal stories of people who confirm that a 3 year old can lift weight bars and kettlebells. You have 3 year olds that can explain the periodic table, even explain how bananas help our nose function and how our brain sends info to our muscles but Rebekah's case is too much? They can hold intelligent conversations. The modern scope of maturity that you Christian have used is not applicable to the maturity of thousands of years ago. Why ignore all the work, collected over thousands of years by Rabbis and apply your pagan views on it? Better, why not apply that view on the entire text and see how much of it loses its value.
@@samuraibirds917And how dare u call our views pagan views when ur the ignorant person trying to ignore evidence in the BIBLE about the truth and apply it twisted logic to it. The bible never even says Rachel was 3 so why are u so adamant about it
Another thing. The assumption is that Rachel was 3 when Issac was 37 during his trip to Mt Moriah. However, that verse clearly says Abraham called Isaac "the boy" and the angel of God calling him "the boy", something you would not call a 37 year old man, and it wasn't done back then either. So stop trying to infuse ur paganism and satanic views on the Bible with no evidence for ur claims. Don't compare us to Muslims who their own book says the girl Mohammed married was 6 and he had sex with her at 9
@samuraibirds917 Yeah bro, that's why Aisha was playing with dolls with her little friends and swinging on a swing when she was 6. Totally different activities from what the modern pagan 6 year old would do, obviously. These toddlers from the past sure were mature for their ages, right?
Now compare her to Rebecca, who at half her age of 3, was having full on conversations with adults as an equal, doing actual labor intensive chores, and was given the choice by her parents to leave with Jacob's servant signifying her ability to consent autonomously.
What's up with Aisha? She sure doesn't seem to be half as mature as Rebecca does when she should be twice as mature being twice as old... maybe Aisha also was influenced by a contemporary Christian understanding of childhood?
Why are you people so dishonest? What do you gain from spewing BS? Where in Africa is it customary of the people to make a 6 year old, much less a 3 year old, ready for marriage because they help a little around the house? Can you imagine? A toddler helps me pick up something I dropped, whoops I guess you're ready to marry a 50 year old!
Just admit your prophet wanted to diddle a kid and made up any excuse he could to do it, including incentives for Abu Bakar to allow it. Dude was just a freak.
Pedophilia is pedophilia 💀@@samuraibirds917
The Zohar says Rivkah was 3 years old
Genesis 24:16 The woman was very beautiful, a virgin; no man had ever slept with her. She went down to the spring, filled her jar and came up again.
Genesis 24:19 After she had given him a drink, she said, "I’ll draw water for your camels too, until they have had enough to drink."
Genesis 24:20 So she quickly emptied her jar into the trough, ran back to the well to draw more water, and drew enough for all his camels.
The verse said "the woman...." and not "the 3 year old baby..."
Truly, without LIES, islam DIES!!!
Rabbi Tobia Ben Eliezer (1050-1108AD)
also confirms that she was 3-years-old when she was married to Isaac:
The occult of lies is dying churches are empty European are now atheists Americons no more believe Jesus is God. 😁 😁 😁
Bibull is updated more than iPhone loaded with lies contradictions and confusions. 😁 😁 😁
@Kun Hye Ho
Your source was a single, random Rabbi, born thousands of years after the events of Genesis...So if I find one single Muslim teacher who says the Quran isn't free of error, I guess that means it isn't free of error, right? Because who cares about the facts, reality, what is actually said, right?
Who cares what some random person said. The fact that you had to get that obscure with your evidence proves what's really going on.
@@ALC6501 Common sense, no 3 year old can water her herd for a drink in a deepwell, and also to give water for the thirsty camels of a stranger. A 3 year old can do that? You're a joke if you insist that rebekah was 3 years old.
Genesis 24:14 May it be that when I say to a young woman, ’Please let down your jar that I may have a drink,’ and she says, ’Drink, and I’ll water your camels too’ -let her be the one you have chosen for your servant Isaac. By this I will know that you have shown kindness to my master."
Genesis 24:15 Before he had finished praying, Rebekah came out with her jar on her shoulder. She was the daughter of Bethuel son of Milkah, who was the wife of Abraham’s brother Nahor.
Genesis 24:16 The WOMAN was very beautiful, a virgin; no man had ever slept with her. She went down to the spring, filled her jar and came up again.
Genesis 24:17 The servant hurried to meet her and said, "Please give me a little water from your jar."
Genesis 24:18 "Drink, my lord," she said, and quickly lowered the jar to her hands and gave him a drink.
Genesis 24:19 After she had given him a drink, she said, "I’ll draw water for your camels too, until they have had enough to drink."
Genesis 24:20 So she quickly emptied her jar into the trough, ran back to the well to draw more water, and drew enough for all his camels.
I’ve responded to this before.
If Rebecca was 3 then all others mentioned including her father are all three years old. 😂
Give me how you got that because if it's TRUE then MAN oh boy we are in for a ride
@@karatewithelian9014 Here is their source:
Gn 22:19 So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba. Gn 22:20 . And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor; Gn 22:21 Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram, Gn 22:22 And Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel. Gn 22:23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: THESE EIGHT MILCAH DID BEAR TO NAHOR, ABRAHAM’S BROTHER.
Then we have
Gn 23:1 . And Sarah was an hundred and seven and twenty years old: [these were] the years of the life of Sarah.
Gn 23:2 And Sarah died in Kirjatharba; the same [is] Hebron in the land of Canaan: and Abraham came to mourn for Sarah, and to weep for her.
So since the the news about the birth of the names listed reached Abraham and the Muslims and critics tried to deduced false magicmagics from the text, then when the text says THESE EIGHT MILCAH DID BEAR TO NAHOR, ABRAHAM’S BROTHER which include the Rebecca and her father then Rebecca’s father was also 3 years old.
Can you see how stupid Muslims are? 😫
@@PopoolaTemidayo oh I didn't notice that bruh😂
@@karatewithelian9014 the problem was that they followed the footsteps of their fellow liars who wrote the Talmud. The Jews in Talmud said Rebecca was three when they want to legitimise having sexual intercourse with minors.
Muslims are committing the Tu-Toque fallacy. You criticized my prophet for marrying a minor, your sources have it too.
Child married is nonsensical!!
I had a debate on child marriage and he said once a child especially a girl reached the age of puberty they should be pushed into marriage to help solve the sexual urge that comes with puberty
Can you see how perverse Muslims can be
@@PopoolaTemidayo I just imagine his wife is like a fish just laying a ton of eggs.
While being able to cite from the actual sources and deconstruct the arguments as they stand is a great service, you don’t even need to do that. All you need is to ask one simple question: “Why is it so important to you that sex between adults and children be permissible?”
Even if you could verifiably prove every claim they make about pedophilia in the Bible, 99% of Christians today would repudiate that behaviour and say it should not be encouraged now. Muslims, by contrast, don’t seem that concerned about that kind of behaviour.
And we must all ask “why not?”
Where does your bible define that?🤥
@@alonzoharris9049 Just tell us why you want to have sex with children.
@@alonzoharris9049 pedophilia is never encouraged in Christianity. Unlike in the Quran.
Also God doesn’t need to explain to Christians we should sleep with children. 🤢🤢 He’s given us his Holy Spirit who tells us it is wrong.
@Alonzo Harris millstones ...
The reason why he has to is because people will think Christianity allows child marriage if the Bible permitted it, hence Chief marriage from a moral perspective is not an argument to use against Islam.
Citing sources and disproving that it’s okay by biblical standards is important
Rebecca also speaks of her family and provides hospitality like a mature lady
If 3 years old can chimney sweep in UK 100 years back in time , then it's easy fro a 3 years old Rebecca to water camels:
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You christians shoudl accept what is written in your Bible. The Jew Rabbis don't even deny this fact she was 3 years old:
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@@shah-tz6gc As noted in the Jewish Encyclopedia:
"The Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac."
(R. Shmuel Chasid of Spira): She was 14 years old [when she married], since the Sifri brings six pairs who lived to be the same age. One of them is Rivkah and Kehas, and Kehas lived 133 years, like a verse says;
If she was 14 when she married, the calculation is correct. When Yakov was born she was 34, and Yakov was 99 when Rivkah died, so she lived 133 years.
Yakov was 63 when he received the Berachos, for then Yishmael died. Yishmael lived a total of 137 years, like it is written, and Yishmael was 14 years older than Yitzchak, and Yitzchak was 60 years old when [Yakov and Esav] were born. If so, Yishmael was 74 at the time.
There remain from the birth of Yakov until the end of Yishmael's life 63 years. He (Yakov) hid 14 years in the academy of Ever, like it says in Megilah (17a), and spent 20 years in Lavan's house;
He spent two years on the journey [back to Eretz Yisrael], and then Rivkah died, like we expound "Alon Bachus" - a double crying, over Rivkah and her nursemaid. This is 99 in all.
Conclusion: We must say that the Midrashos argue with each other. (According to the Sifri, we can say that she was truly a Na'arah, i.e. within six months after she brought two hairs.)
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This is irrelevant, we are followers of Jesus, not followers of Isaac.
Isaac can sin but we don't follow his behavior, we follow Jesus's behavior.
Not to mention, isaac did not even do what Muhammad did, what do our Muslim brothers and sisters thinking?!😅
Who commanded numbers 31:18? Is that Jesus?
All scriptures are for learning, so you can't throw OT under the bus. And where did Jesus condemn minor marriage?
@@razgriz5416
The definition of child has varied from culture to culture and century to century. Most modern-day countries declare that a child is of legal age to marry between 18 and 21. For some countries, the age may be as low as 15. In ancient Jewish culture, girls were considered marriageable after they had completed puberty, but boys were not considered men in the fullest sense until age 20.
The book of Numbers reinforces the age of 20 for a man’s coming of age. Only the men 20 years old or more were counted as eligible to serve in the army (Numbers 1:18). Among the clans in the tribe of Levi, the Kohathites, Gershonites, and Merarites, men were not considered eligible for temple service until the age of 30 (Numbers 4:3, 23, 30). Levites who served as priests were eligible at the age of 25 (Numbers 8:24-26). Given these age requirements, it seems reasonable to assume that God did not hold those younger than 20 responsible for adult decision-making. Thus, it would follow that 20 was the earliest age at which a man could normally marry.
Ezekiel 16 gives us a hint that a young woman was not considered ready for marriage until she had completed puberty. For some girls, that may have been 13 or 14, but for others puberty may not have been completed until age 16 or older. Ezekiel paints a picture of God’s relationship to His chosen people by comparing Israel with an orphaned girl in various stages of development. The Lord first sees her birth, then watches her grow up: “You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown. . . . Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you” (Ezekiel 16:7-8). The metaphor hinges on the fact that it is only after a girl arrives at physical maturity, sometime after (not during) puberty, that she is “old enough to love,” i.e., that she is ready for marriage.
However, the Bible does not state a particular marriageable age for either men or women. Much emphasis was given to a woman’s ability to conceive and bear children. Women were most likely younger than the men they married, perhaps even significantly so. A woman remained in her father’s household until marriage, and fathers considered it their responsibility to find suitable husbands for their daughters. Marriage was about more than just the couple getting married; it also had to do with preserving the familial tribes and making provision for future generations. Among royalty in many ancient cultures, including in Israel, marriage also had to do with agreements between countries, with women being given to kings as wives to indicate agreement between nations or rulers.
For the typical family, marriage was about provision and procreation. The father was responsible for a daughter until her husband became the responsible party. Both fathers and suitors took this obligation seriously. The husband-to-be was to give a dowry to his bride’s family to demonstrate his commitment. We see an illustration of these traditions in the story of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel (Genesis 29:16-27). Jacob wanted to marry Rachel, and he worked without wages for her father for seven years as a dowry. But Rachel’s father, Laban, did not want his younger daughter to marry before the older. So he tricked Jacob and, on the wedding night, gave him Leah instead of Rachel. Laban also gave Rachel to Jacob in marriage a week later, for which he required Jacob to work an additional seven years.
We also see in the account of Jairus’s daughter that a girl of 12 was still considered a little girl (Mark 5:21-43). Twice in this passage, the daughter is referred to as a “little girl” (verses 23, 41). So, even though she was most likely entering puberty, the daughter of Jairus was still considered a child and not ready for marriage.
Marriage is a solemn commitment, and when the Bible speaks of it, it is always between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:24; Mark 10:7). The Greek and Hebrew words used when discussing marriage imply mature men and women, never child brides. Every culture has its own traditions and age requirements, and young people in ancient times were better prepared for marriage at earlier ages than they are today, when adolescence is often pampered and protracted. Any culture, ancient or modern, that weds little girls to older men is essentially legalizing child abuse, and such practices are not condoned in Scripture.
And once again I also need to add that we are called Christians not Issacians and that alone should prove to you that we never said to be like Daniel or David or Noah or even Moses. We said to follow Jesus Christ way of living because his way was the right way
@@razgriz5416 i'm not throwing OT under the bus that's why i said “irrelevant”
@@Orthodoxprince4ever they won’t listen to you. They never do. And if you say oh they got married at 15 they’ll go off on you about how that’s child marriage too. Like they say it’s okay for Isaac to marry a 3 year old and Mohammed a 6 year old.. but not for someone to marry someone several times that age? It’s hypocritical at best. It’s non logical
This is the equivalent of your dad saying a friend from his hometown has a daughter you'd probably like, but this guy just had to project. Let us pray for this man so that his eyes may be opened. ☦️
I hear this argument all the time. Thanks for doing this video.
Or the argument that Mary was 10 when she married Joseph
Yitzhak (Isaac) remained on Mount Moriah for three years until he reached the age of forty, & then he married Rivkah (Rebekah).” (Joseph Ibn Kaspi, Mishneh Kesef on the Torah, volume 2, page 63))
@@marvalice3455 Scholars say she was 12-13 when she conceived Jesus.
Do you know that Islam will be the largest religion in the world? It has always been the fastest growing religion in the world. The 77% of new converts to Islam are from Christianity, whereas 19% were from non-religion. Christians are diminishing.
You don't know history. Look into the history of Saint Augustine in 350 AD he married a 10 year old. King Richard II 1400 AD, married a 7 year old. Henry VIII, in 1500 AD married a 6 year old. Mary the mother of Jesus married Joseph when he was 99 years old and she was 12 (Catholic Encyclopedia).
Prophet Mohammad was a poor guy all of his life and was born in 570 AD. Compare the year he was born and the above years for those other people.
It's a historical fact that girls from 9-14 years old were married off in America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The U.S. President Thomas Jefferson impregnanted his dead wife's aunt. He had sex with her since she was 14 years old. She had 6 of his kids (4 survived). A newspaper exposed the story. Why wasn't he put in jail? Her name was Sally Hemings. This happened in late 17th century.
William Shakepeare created Rameo and Juliet in the 16th century. In the story they were 14 years old and could run away and get married on their own, without parental consent. Can we write a story like that today? Of course not. That was the legal age back then. Also the word pedofile wasn't created until the 18th century. Prophet Mohammad wasn't a pedofile. Here are 2 links of videos for you to watch.
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The video of Mohammad, not a Pedofile
If 3 years old can chimney sweep in UK 100 years back in time , then it's easy fro a 3 years old Rebecca to water camels:
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You christians should accept what is written in your Bible. The Jew Rabbis don't even deny this fact she was 3 years old:
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Will Muslims ever learn how to be intellectually honest with the Bible? (probably once they convert to Christianity) in the mean time, keep 'em coming IP! great video, as always :D
Christians are dishonest.
Christians make false claims about the bible.
Show me the biblical definition of a child and woman without using modern made up definitions.
I’m waiting.
By Alonzo's comment^^, that would be a "NO"...
Or intellectually honest in general
@@twitherspoon8954 when did we admit such a claim? You are a liar, and not to be taken seriously.
@@twitherspoon8954 That's such an incoherent sentence, I'm sure your brain must have hurt while typing that. With that level of jumbled thinking (and guidance from a Quran that can't get the trinity right) I'm not surprised that you don't understand Christian theology well enough to articulately critique it.
Firstly, Christians don't worship a sacrifice, but God, who is triune. In other words Christians worship Jesus Christ, not His sacrifice.
Secondly, Christ's sacrifice was not ritualistic. While Christ's sacrifice has theological implications, was foretold in Scripture, and was necessary for salvation, it was not itself a ritual or religious act. Rather it was a legal act carried out by a secular court that was being used by the religious opposition to persecute Jesus. Even theologically Christ's death was for legal, not ritualistic, reasons.
Thirdly, the cause for Jesus' death was His decision to save humanity from their sins, therefore he paid the price on our behalf, since a perfectly just God cannot arbitrarily overlook sin (which Islam erroneously teaches). Justice has to be satisfied and no amount of good deeds can undo your bad deeds. Therefore if Christ taking our place in God's judgment and receiving the death penalty is considered ritual human sacrifice, then God's judgment itself is ritual human sacrifice, but Islam teaches God's judgment as well, so according to your logic both Christianity and Islam would be teaching ritual human sacrifice. That is however absurd, therefore neither Christianity nor Islam teaches ritual human sacrifice, but simply teaches a legal judgment by God where sin merits death.
The relevant difference being that Christians actually have a legal basis for and proof of their forgiveness (the debt has been paid, justice has been satisfied through Christ's death on the cross and His resurrection), whereas Muslims have to turn God into an unjust being who simply decides on a whim to not care about your sin if he likes you enough, but won't do so for everyone, and possibly could even change his mind, because after all, if he's not just what's stopping him from throwing you all into hell if he feels like it?
A 3 year old carrying water for 10 cammels. That must a be a strong 3 year old. Lol.
1. Doesn't Islam teach hell?
If it's a later Christian invention and Muhammad preached it, shouldn't you then reject Islam?
2. Give us historical proofs to back up your claims
@@theguyver4934 allah is fake,allah is a false god. Christianity is thriving without allah,because allah is false.
@@theguyver4934 Jesus ate fish. Sme of Disciples of Jesus were fishermen.
False prophet would never listen to you or care because all they want is to made fun, control, decieve and manipulate people. I've never felt anything from Quran. It also contains various mistakes.
The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty-seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time, Rebecca was born. HE WAITED FOR HER UNTIL SHE WOULD BE FIT FOR MARITAL RELATIONS-THREE YEARS-AND THEN MARRIED HER.- [From Gen. Rabbah 57:1]
Imagine a 3 year old carrying JARS of water to 10 camels, wow that’s a strong toddler, very mature too.
Am I missing something because I surely didn’t think she was a toddler. 🤷🏽♀️. His lack of evidence is embarrassing.
"The Torah itself testifies that Yitzchak was 40 years old when he married Rivkah (25,20), which makes Rivkah 3 years old when she was married."
Rabbeinu Bahya, Bereshit 24:67
It's not a made up thing.
@@Someguy1357 The torah testifies that Yitzchak was 40.
The torah does not testify as to Rivkah's age. That part is made up.
@@Tar-Elenion Went right over your head there I see.
@@Someguy1357 You, no doubt, "see" lots of imaginary things...
(I do see that youtube is hiding comments again)
All of the world: hi muslim,
how would you defend the marriage of a 50+ year old men with a six year old child ?
Muslim: He also married a old woman…
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Yeah, this as bad as saying:
Stalin killed millions of people.
Well, yeah, but he had also a family and he loved her.
Most of the world don’t agree with you. Most of the world finds the incarnation disgusting. Your god going inside Mary.
@@salomonkalou9002
Exactly, or saying to a judge: don’t judge me, I only stole a car last week, this week I haven’t stolen anything…
@@ex-muslimtestimonies001 Yeah, it' sickening how these monsters twist facts.
Islamic logic , we can't be surprised after all even birds fly by the power of Allah
Always on point dude.
@@theguyver4934 the original sin and heck are not misinterpretations. And allah is false,allah is fake. allah cant revive christianity because christianity is thriving through Christ,not your dumb allah.
Islam is also historically inaccurate about Jesus. Yall try to say how Jesus was muslim when Jesus was actually Jewish and not muslim.
During Jesus day,islam wasn't a thing. Islam didn't exist until 610 AD,hundreds of years after Jesus.
Your commiting eisigesis,rather than exegesis. Your just adding your ideas to the text. And your lazily making these false assertions. This is what we call arguing from ignorance fallacy.
Therefore your narrative is false,allah is false
A few interesting things is 1) The verse about Terah having children at 70 doesn't mean that Abraham was first. Abram's name is mentioned first because he's part of the Messianic line. Same reason why Shem is mentioned first as Noah's son. We do the same thing when we say, "The story of Jacob and Esau". 2) Terah was actually 130 when Abram was born (since Terah died at 205 and Abram left at 75) and 3) Abraham laughed not at his age (since men can produce offspring up to the day they die) but because of Sarah's age who was well past the manner of women (Genesis 18:11).
Another great one, way to go
Thanks IP, I think this is a good example of why reading Scripture through Western eyes can be problematic. Even though people might put off such an argument as an attempt to overemphasize local culture in order to justify belief, it is still important to realize that modern Western cultures tend to be lacking social conventions, hierarchies, traditions, gender roles etc due to counterculture movements since the 60's. This often blinds Westerners from the cultural context of the Bible and this is also exemplified by many Westerners who even today would not understand why in Middle Eastern countries even today people would not deny even their worst enemies hospitality by virtue of social conventions.
Though there are times this is an issue, God meant form the beginning for His word to be for all people in all languages all across the entire earth thousands of years after the events.. The way you put it God had no idea that 99.9999% of the people who read the Bible would not be from that culture and people. You talk as if ti an unplanned accident that its turns out that way, and it was never the plan of God from the beginning. I think that is totally absurd.
@@Orange6921 That's not necessarily what I meant. It is rather modern Western culture that stands out from other cultures. It doesn't matter whether we would be talking about Middle Eastern culture or Chinese culture, as both of these culture would value social conventions like hospitality, respecting one's elders, taking care of one's parents when they're old etc. In fact, the whole reason why counterculture could exist in the West is because people rely on the government to provide all social services which enables a hyper individualistic society where it is the government that provides for the elderly or children, whereas in the Middle East, India or China, it is society, by virtue of social conventions that provides these services. Any non-Westerner could be culturally shocked by seeing Westerners putting their parents in elderly homes, or seeing children being raised by the state, people being excessively egalitarian to the point of not respecting elders, people not valuing family, people encouraging open homosexuality etc. It is the West that stands out, the West is that 0,000001% of cultures that might be culturally blind to the Gospel.
@@williamkennedy2474 Well you drifted WAYYY away from the topic and point there. I was talking about the ability to understand the Bible and how its reaches through the language barriers, you drifted off into a long rant on governemtns, countercultures, dealing with the elderdly and social services.
None of that has anything to do with the point I was making.
@@Orange6921 Sure, I am not saying that the Bible is unintelligible for people from the West, but I do think that there are certain cultural obstacles towards understanding some verses or chapters which I think other cultures don't have as much.
@@williamkennedy2474 There is not a single key doctrine in all of Biblical Christianity that requires knowledge of Middle eastern cultures from 2000 years ago. You can cherry pick a few verses in the Gospels to force that argument, but any of those key doctrines are going to be spelled out with clarity for Gentile believers in the Epistles.
There are no cultural obstacles at all to understanding salvation and the Gospel in the Bible, or how Gentiles in Christ are supposed to live.
God designed His Word for it to be read and understood by genuine believers in far away lands and far away times on every corner of the earth.
This is a totally overblown point and issue.
Even if this was literally true, the Bible is filled with STORIES about people and they’re behavior is not often condoned. It would be like arguing that adultery and murder is okay because King David did it.
Another great response by Mike.
just found your channel man, I love you
Bruh, when I was 3, we had to take pitchers of water on our shoulders to preschool. Uphill, both ways!
If you lived thousands of years ago... actually.. just make that a few hundred years ago, this would be true.
@@Someguy1357 so say that she was 300 years old? No,from what we seen in the scriptures its very clear that rebekah was no 3 yr old(or a 300 yr old) she was a young woman.
saying Isaac did something is nothing like saying Jesus did something....
Right, we do not follow Isaac, we follow Jesus.
@@reitillet7926 Yet Isaac is a prophet, and by definition prophets are better than you. So you follow their example.
Point being, many Christians claim Prophet Muhammad (SAW) isn't a Prophet because (insert some manufactured reason). Most of the time these claims aren't even true.
Yet, even if they were, the Prophets you claim to believe have done those things or worse.
Be consistent or admit to your dishonesty.
@Someguy1357 no where in Christian doctrine does it claim that prophets are inherently better than anyone or good role models. That's a Muslim belief only, hence why your arguements fail so bad
@@Someguy1357 No it is not the definition in Christianity that prophets are better than anyone else. Nor is it the Christian practice to hold Prophets up as moral examples for every aspect of our lives. Most Christians probably couldn't even name very any prophets except for the ones that happened to have a Book named after them. The job of a prophet is like the anchor on a newscast reporting what God told them. Other than a good memory and the guts to tell the truth to a potentially hostile audience, it's not a high skill task.
@@Someguy1357 um, no. We reject that definition of prophet, and always have.
Christians have never believed that prophets are "by definition better than us".
We venerate them as saints, but we can surpass them in holiness too.
I wouldn’t add the part about, “It’d still be wrong.” You forget that Rebekah was chosen by God for Isaac.
Great content per usual, but one week argument you made in regards to the ages being symbolic is in Abraham's questioning if a 100 year old man can have a son when his father was 130. Yes, a man can have a son when he is 100 years old (if he's still alive); that's why Sarah wanted Abraham to have a son through Haggai. We also see after Sarah died (127 years old) that Abraham took a new wife, and they had 6 sons (Abraham would have been over 137 at this point). It wasn't Abraham who was too old, but Sarah who was 90. This is expressed in the verse cited, "And will Sarah, who is 90 years old bear a child?" We don't know how old Abraham's mother was when Abraham was born, but the age of his father doesn't affect rather he can reproduce or not.
I'm not saying the symbolic ages theory is wrong, -just that this is a weak argument for that position.
Romans 4:19
I agree there is no reason not to take their ages literally
There are zero reasons at all not to take their ages literally, other than a lack of faith. There are times the guy behind this channel just goes completely off the rails. This is just another example of that. Though he makes good points at times, this is not a sound place for consistent biblical doctrine. Just too many instances like this where he just tosses out the text because he lacks the faith to believe it. How can you believe God spoke the universe into existence but you can't believe the ages are real because its sounds impossible and miraculous? Pfffffff please
Then exactly 1 chapter after, the 3 visitors told that Sarah would bear a child, as well as asking that if "anything's too hard for the Lord?"
@@Orange6921 yeah a lot of times people humanize God and put limitations on Him. He can do anything with just a thought, a word, yet people think that Sarah being pregnant at age 90 is impossible when it is something promised by God Himself.
Your keeping me in my faith.
Don’t be lazy
Study the word
Grow your faith
Surround yourself with people of faith ,commune with them and grow in the faith
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thing at one point Rebecca is refer as a Maiden, i.e. a female virgin of marring age(post puberty) moreover Abraham servant place bracelets on Rebecca wrists, which would felt if she was too little to carry them and those jewels are for grown "girls" not actually little girls so no, the text implies that Rebecca is of marring age. The name Rebecca (I don't know if this is bible supported) is because she was "an exact" copy of her mother, Becca, so Rebecca.
That is absolutely not Bible supported. It's a joke that only works with the Latinate prefix re- which is not a part of the Hebrew language at all and IIRC we're never even told Rebecca's mother's name at all
To the ignorant abdool :
Genesis 24: Rebecca drew water and brought it back for her family and this was a consideration for Isaac marrying her. She said, drink my Lord. She also said, I'll draw water for your camels too, until they have had enough to drink. She was NOT 3 silly.
Genesis 24:56~59 - Also, Rebecca gave consent and was at the age of consent - 13 years or older
"Ishshah" (אִשָּׁה) is the HEBREW word for WOMAN NOT child. Same word used for EVE.
Genesis 24:14 May it be that when I say to a YOUNG WOMAN
Genesis 24:28 The YOUNG WOMAN ran...
Abraham said that he did not want Isaac to marry a WOMAN from the Canaanites.
She mounted the camel and rode off. NOT a 3 year old.
^^^
@@kyrptonite1825 Thanks Brother.
muslims have a far greater problem on their hands :
The changed quran dilemma :
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).
sahih muslim 1452a, book 17, hadith 30
Show me in the quran the verse of the 5 sucklings?
Do you happen to have the original video? I think it would be a good apologetics lesson for my church
Thank you IP! I love your work
We challenge you to give us only one text in the Bible that specifies a specific age for marriage??
@@AbdulMalikSaleh-mz9js
LOL I challenge you to show me a verse in the Bible that says "Rebekkah was 3"
@@iamthechosenone10
What's up with Rebekah?? I ask you to give me one text from the Bible that specifies a specific age for marriage for a Christian girl
@Abdul Malik Saleh
You said "what's up with rebekkah " what the title and meaning of this YT video?? Lol muslms love to bring up the false narrative of rebekkah was 3 y.o to justify there propht marring a 6 y.o when he was 54 y.o 🤢🤢🤢 which is very strange and weird smh
The Bible doesn't give an exact minimum age of marriage but Jewish tradition back then was 18-24.
Unlike your quran that's says you can marry and divorce childrn in quran 65:4
@@AbdulMalikSaleh-mz9jsit’s so funny how you can’t defend your own satanic religion anymore so you start blaming other peoples. Islam is a satanic death cult.
The quality and level of islamic apologetics never ceases to amaze me😂
Too many liars on internet.
Thanks for exposing them brother 🙏
The reasoning that sells them is truly baffling. It just smells desperate
Arranged marriages were common and simply were not consummated until a more appropriate age. Even if we take the ages literally it does not mean she lived with him from 3 onward and had relations with him. In fact, due to the narrative you mentioned directly from the Torah we can see when he finally went to have her brought to him she was able to do significant labor far beyond what a child could do. So at the very most literal and assuming that there was an arrangement (Ancient weddings were two part with the engagement being legally a marriage requiring a divorce to end) there still is nothing regarding any impropriety in terms of when they took it to the level of living together.
This is the same as Aisha's age at betrothal, 6 vs her consummation after puberty, 9.
Please stop kowtowing to these idiots to explain this because even the explanation makes it look bad. Let me thoroughly explain
Here is their source:
Gn 22:19 So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba. Gn 22:20 . And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor; Gn 22:21 Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram, Gn 22:22 And Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel. Gn 22:23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: THESE EIGHT MILCAH DID BEAR TO NAHOR, ABRAHAM’S BROTHER.
Then we have
Gn 23:1 . And Sarah was an hundred and seven and twenty years old: [these were] the years of the life of Sarah.
Gn 23:2 And Sarah died in Kirjatharba; the same [is] Hebron in the land of Canaan: and Abraham came to mourn for Sarah, and to weep for her. (This was three years after Abraham got the news and the same year Isaac married Rebecca)
So since the the news about the birth of the names listed reached Abraham and the Muslims and critics tried to deduced false ages from the text, then when the text says THESE EIGHT MILCAH DID BEAR TO NAHOR, ABRAHAM’S BROTHER which include the Rebecca and her father then Rebecca’s father was also 3 years old.
If this is true then Rebecca, her own father and his 7 biological brothers from the same mother and father are all the same age.
Can you see how stupid these Muslims are?
@@nunya54 aisha wasn't passed puberty tho according to the evidence
@@anthonylombardo4829 She was, literally, according to evidence. In the hadith she said she had entered puberty.
@@nunya54 if says she still played with dolls. That's idolatry for girls with periods
I find the idea of Rebekah being 3 at the time to be ridiculous. I have a 3 year old, who, by all accounts, is very advanced for her age, and I can guarantee that there's no way she could do what Rebekah is depicted as doing.
If 3 years old can chimney sweep in UK 100 years back in time , then it's easy for a 3 years old Rebecca to water camels:
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You christians should accept what is written in your Bible. The Jew Rabbis don't even deny this fact she was 3 years old:
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@@shah-tz6gc As noted in the Jewish Encyclopedia:
"The Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac."
(R. Shmuel Chasid of Spira): She was 14 years old [when she married], since the Sifri brings six pairs who lived to be the same age. One of them is Rivkah and Kehas, and Kehas lived 133 years, like a verse says;
If she was 14 when she married, the calculation is correct. When Yakov was born she was 34, and Yakov was 99 when Rivkah died, so she lived 133 years.
Yakov was 63 when he received the Berachos, for then Yishmael died. Yishmael lived a total of 137 years, like it is written, and Yishmael was 14 years older than Yitzchak, and Yitzchak was 60 years old when [Yakov and Esav] were born. If so, Yishmael was 74 at the time.
There remain from the birth of Yakov until the end of Yishmael's life 63 years. He (Yakov) hid 14 years in the academy of Ever, like it says in Megilah (17a), and spent 20 years in Lavan's house;
He spent two years on the journey [back to Eretz Yisrael], and then Rivkah died, like we expound "Alon Bachus" - a double crying, over Rivkah and her nursemaid. This is 99 in all.
Conclusion: We must say that the Midrashos argue with each other. (According to the Sifri, we can say that she was truly a Na'arah, i.e. within six months after she brought two hairs.)
can be found on both dafyomi and on alldafi
The wicked will always be blind, they can't even get age right.
Scripture is clear by the way it's written that Rebecca was much older.
@@joshykiamix1044are you being foolish now? Are you the wicked that's blind?
“ …you already missing something over there” 😂love it. Thank you again for explaining with so much clarity. ❤
The description of Rebecca alone should be enough to put this theory to grass
Micheal, you may not see this but I just wanted to let you know how much more knowledge and faith I have gained by watching your videos. I work in Massachusetts and it’s kinda absent of the true Christian faith, but you’ve inspired me to read more and gain more literal knowledge on the Christian faith and it’s been helping me potentially bring others to Christ. Thank you so much for sharpening the iron of those who seek Truth!
To defend their prophet, the Muslim apologetics try to construct Rebecca's age in the Bible this way. What a pity.
I've never heard this claim from Muslims but it is established by the Bible and Christian theologians that adulthood and marriage was at 12 which is considered paedophilia today. So dk why they'd need Rebecca when Jesus himself came under the yoke of the law at that age, scholars already said Mary was that age when she conceived Jesus; no need really for any proof after that.
@@nunya54 "it... today."
Proof?
"scholars already said Mary was that age when she conceived Jesus"
Mary was 16 at the time.
@@misterauctor7353 16 would have been considered late during her time and Mary and Jesus were devout Jews and remember, Jesus said he came to fulfil and uphold the law (it was later Paul who changed this). In Judaism, the age of 13 signifies adulthood. The minimum age for marriage was 12/13 but formal betrothal often took place before that. They also instituted capital punishment by stoning or hanging at this age (Torah's Law of the Rebellious Son Ben Sorer uMoreh). The Mishnah, which was completed around the beginning of the third century, notes this average age as well.
Despite the protests of some Christians, it is almost certain that, given the marriage practices of her time, Mary would have been married by age 12 and conceived Jesus no later than age 13; “[h]istorians are pretty sure that Mary had just entered puberty when Jesus was conceived. As a peasant in Nazareth she almost certainly would have been married off around the time [of] puberty. [...] In short, there is every reason to believe that the Virgin Mary-the mother of one of the world’s major religions-was a young mother indeed.” Dr. Robert Epstein
Evidence in the New Testament is found when Jesus revives a 12-year old girl (Mark 5:42), “about twelve” in Luke's version (8:42). Matthew 9:18, no age is given; Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible explains “Mark calls her his ‘little daughter’: though both he and Luke say, she was about ‘twelve’ years of age, and that with strict propriety, according to the Jewish canons, which say; that ‘a daughter, from the day of her birth until she is twelve years
complete, is called ‘a little one’ and when she is twelve years of age, and one day and upwards, she is called ‘a young woman’.’’ This is the age Jesus came under the Law of the Lord, became a Son of the Loaw, or "Son of Precepts" and was presented at the "Sabbath of Phylacteries" in synagogue and began to wear phylacteries with which his father presented him. The Talmudic adage: “Let a man deal gently with his son till he come to be twelve years old: but from that time, let him descend with him into his way of living...”
You are amazing.
Furthermore Gen. 24:16 clearly depicts Rebecca as a young woman/maiden, emphasising the fact that she is a young woman who is already of age, but has never been with a man before (specifically with the usage of the noun bethulah (בְּתוּלָה), which we also see in the prophecy of the virgin birth in Isaiah). Compare this to the clear-cut description of Aisha by the sahih hadiths e.g. Bukhari, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, Muslim, who plainly stated that Aisha was 9 and was still playing with dolls when Momo the Pedo consummated their marriage.
No the ages are literal
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Now from studying history I know that people would arrange marriages of children between families. But they would be married at a LEGAL age. They would have waited till both children come of age to do so. 👍
Yeah, for example, in Europe the Canonical age for Marriage was 7, the age of reason, but the Canonical age for consummation was way older. And you could get an Annulment if the Marriage was forced, because the Catholic Church outlawed forced Marriages. Most people actually Married for love, and Arranged Marriages were mostly the nobility.
Also remember goal post moving.
EVEN if they were technically married when she was 3 (and she wasn't) we don't say that the marriage age is the sin. It is the age of konsumacion.
I think you are right about the answer to this, but I admit it does seem like it causes problems for very specific types of christians who are not just conservative, but who are extreme literalist including with the genelogies and as you have shown that is not what you are.
These indivuals however are abundant and may be who many muslims are challenging though hopefully it encourages those indivuals to look into the bible more as well
Pikachu’s followers trying their best to justify momo’s pedophilia 😢😢😢😣
He’s Daniel Hakengar from that debate forward.
Do you know that Islam will be the largest religion in the world? It has always been the fastest growing religion in the world. The 77% of new converts to Islam are from Christianity, whereas 19% were from non-religion. Christians are diminishing.
You don't know history. Look into the history of Saint Augustine in 350 AD he married a 10 year old. King Richard II 1400 AD, married a 7 year old. Henry VIII, in 1500 AD married a 6 year old. Mary the mother of Jesus married Joseph when he was 99 years old and she was 12 (Catholic Encyclopedia).
Prophet Mohammad was a poor guy all of his life and was born in 570 AD. Compare the year he was born and the above years for those other people.
It's a historical fact that girls from 9-14 years old were married off in America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The U.S. President Thomas Jefferson impregnanted his dead wife's aunt. He had sex with her since she was 14 years old. She had 6 of his kids (4 survived). A newspaper exposed the story. Why wasn't he put in jail? Her name was Sally Hemings. This happened in late 17th century.
William Shakepeare created Rameo and Juliet in the 16th century. In the story they were 14 years old and could run away and get married on their own, without parental consent. Can we write a story like that today? Of course not. That was the legal age back then. Also the word pedofile wasn't created until the 18th century. Prophet Mohammad wasn't a pedofile. Here are 2 links of videos for you to watch.
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The video of Mohammad, not a Pedofile
I don't get his defense of "yeah maybe what you're saying is true, but did you know this vague and untrue interpretation of genesis (where almost all of the protagonists are EXTREMELY flawed) means it's not bad at all"... Like bro, i can't wait for his Lot defense
Also, how did Milcah popped out 8 children on the spot😂. Abraham clearly didn't know about those 8 children being born until the news reached him.
If the ages are not literal, then why did God at one point limit men's age to 120 years?
That's called "digging your own grave." Splendid refutation.
In genesis 24.16, it is written the young lady not the little girl
What is the definition of a lady in the bible? What age?
@@alonzoharris9049 In the Old Testament (OT), women primarily belonged to their families and would move to different family units. The father had the main responsibility for female family members until it transferred to the husband or new master. The concept of the kinsman and its connection to widows is important to note, as seen in the stories of Judah and Tamar, and in the Book of Ruth. Childbearing was crucial for a woman's status in OT society, and barrenness was considered a curse. The wife's domestic duties were highlighted, such as making bread, sewing, and caring for the family. The tenth commandment specifically mentioned the woman's unique status in the home. Inheritance could pass to a daughter if there were no sons, but it could not be transferred through marriage. Divorces were allowed but discouraged, and the husband had a favored position in divorce arrangements. The woman's primary role within marriage was sexual fulfillment, emphasized in Genesis and the Book of Deuteronomy. Even a captive woman could marry an Israelite and assume a new social status. The Song of Solomon emphasized the physical pleasures of love without shame. Respecting the mother within the home was a legal requirement in OT morality, supported by the Mosaic Code and mentioned in the Book of Proverbs.
“He was despised and rejected- a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way. He was despised, and we did not care. Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God, a punishment for his own sins! But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed. All of us, like sheep, have strayed away. We have left God’s paths to follow our own. Yet the Lord laid on him the sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. Unjustly condemned, he was led away. No one cared that he died without descendants, that his life was cut short in midstream. But he was struck down for the rebellion of my people. He had done no wrong and had never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man’s grave. But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of his experience, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among the rebels. He bore the sins of many and interceded for rebels.”
Isaiah 53:3-12 NLT
This was written around 700 years before Jesus came into the earth, yet it describes His life perfectly.
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If Rebecca was only three years old when Abraham's servant first saw her, she must have been from Krypton.
Oh, the good old..."You did it too" defense
Man imagine if all those ancient people living up to hundreds of years was literal.
In Dwapar Yuga (Hinduism), average age of humans was 1000 years. Dwapar ended 5000 years ago.
In Kaliyuga, average is 100 years.
But there is no proof either.
The bible is the only accurate and the only book without a single mistake. There used to be no religion at all and only God is showing and known, some are given vision about angels but the important thing is God. Even 5,000 of years before the existence of Jesus was shown and have proof in the scriptures or the bible. Everything is written but most of them are forbidden. Everything that is written will happen and everything will be unhidden.
It is for us who believe in the Bible.
Might you try covering Mark 16 and of everything past verse 8 is apocryphal?
I know you probably won't see this IP, but please do a video on that point made at 2:39 🤔. As many commentors on the internet accuse us of doing this, eventhough breaking down certian translations, understanding contex, or hermeneutics is supposed to be a part of proper bible reading or study 🤨.
Nowhere in the text does it say she's 3 years old. Garbage post
I just can’t understand why they are so eager to justify the child marriage😭
They're not. They're explaining it's not child marriage. Christians are asserting it's child marriage incorrectly (and hypocritically).
@@nunya54if you marry a child, it's child marriage. It is that simple
@@TheOmniGameDev Yes but what is a child? How are you defining it?
@@nunya54 A Child would be someone who hasn't reached puberty yet
@@TheOmniGameDev Right. So that could end for some people at 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 when they reach puberty.
You thoughts on Tovia Singer if you can. Thanks
@InspiringPhilosophy if you want more info tell me, i studied this stuff very well. So i can even show that Rashi had contradictory writings about age of Rebekah.
Without LIES, islam DIES!!! ☪️😈☠️💀
Rabbi Tobia Ben Eliezer (1050-1108AD)
also confirms that she was 3-years-old when she was married to Isaac:
Christianity is dying churches are empty bibull is loaded with lies contradictions and confusions. 😁 😁 😁
@@ALC6501 Also Rashi in Babylon I Tamud it said she was 3 and allow for Jews to marry a 3 years old girl
@@harrypotterfrancais383 According to the Talmud, not only was Rebekah 3, she was also 10 at marriage and 14 at marriage. In fact, R. Shmuel Chasid of Spira refutes Rashi's claim proving Rashi wrong.
"The Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac."
Jewish Encyclopedia
@@ALC6501 Common sense, no 3 year old can water her herd for a drink in a deepwell, and also to give water for the thirsty camels of a stranger. A 3 year old can do that? You're a joke if you insist that rebekah was 3 years old.
Genesis 24:14 May it be that when I say to a young woman, ’Please let down your jar that I may have a drink,’ and she says, ’Drink, and I’ll water your camels too’ -let her be the one you have chosen for your servant Isaac. By this I will know that you have shown kindness to my master."
Genesis 24:15 Before he had finished praying, Rebekah came out with her jar on her shoulder. She was the daughter of Bethuel son of Milkah, who was the wife of Abraham’s brother Nahor.
Genesis 24:16 The WOMAN was very beautiful, a virgin; no man had ever slept with her. She went down to the spring, filled her jar and came up again.
Genesis 24:17 The servant hurried to meet her and said, "Please give me a little water from your jar."
Genesis 24:18 "Drink, my lord," she said, and quickly lowered the jar to her hands and gave him a drink.
Genesis 24:19 After she had given him a drink, she said, "I’ll draw water for your camels too, until they have had enough to drink."
Genesis 24:20 So she quickly emptied her jar into the trough, ran back to the well to draw more water, and drew enough for all his camels.
The Hebrew describes her as a Maiden. What does Maiden mean!!
Figure out what "maidenhead" means and you have your answer.
There is no maiden in Hebrew. These are just modern made up words in English based on a modern view.
@@alonzoharris9049 עַלמָה
a young and virgin woman
I heard from a Jewish rabbi that said that she was 3 years old but he put in context of marriage before the Talmud and Jewish law in the Tanakh
Useless fact
*DEBUNKING REBEKAH WAS 3 YEARS OLD WHEN MARRYING ISAAC*
1.- NOWHERE IN GENESIS 22 implies the birth of Rebekkah and the death of Sara happened simultaneously. Read CAREFULLY (Genesis 22:20-24), is giving the chronological birth of SEVERAL people, but ALL THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T BORN THE SAME YEAR.
Read (Genesis 22:22-23): Kesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph and Bethuel.” Bethuel became the father of Rebekah.
Notice Bethuel's birth was mentioned and then he became the father of Rebekah, but NOT THE SAME YEAR is a description of a PAST EVENT, not a present one by the fact that Bethuel didn't bear and became the father right away. Therefore, IS NOT in the present tense, is a pass one, THEREFORE this passage IS NOT IMPLYING the birth of Rebekkah and the death of Sara happened simultaneously.
2.- This is PROVE that Rebekah was old enough before knowing Isaac. Read (Genesis 24:64-65): Rebekah also looked up and saw Isaac. She got down FROM HER CAMEL and asked the servant, "Who is that man in the field coming to meet us?" "He is my master," the servant answered. So she took her veil and covered herself.
Notice Rebekah was RIDING HER OWN CAMEL and HAVE A SERVANT. Nobody at age 3 ride and own a camel and have a servant.
@The Skeptic -THREE SCIENTIFIC RULES WHY GOD MUST EXIST:
1.- Everything that has an end, had a beginning. Life (in this universe) has an end and therefore had a beginning; therefore “life within this universe and its confines” can't be eternal, nor can you pass an infinite amount of days in order to reach today.
2.- Science demonstrates that life begets life and intelligence comes from intelligence behind, there are no scientific reasons to assume otherwise (at least a superior intelligence source creates it).
3.- Nothingness can't exist before someone does, therefore it must be someone eternally always existing (outside of this universe as point #1 explain). You can't reach an infinite regression in which it was nothing and then something.
-Why someone and not something? Because of #2
-Why eternal? Because of #3
-Why this universe can't be eternal instead? Because of #1
Whoever believes otherwise, then they have more faith than I do.
@The Skeptic -None of those theories debunk the existence of God because the fact that information exists, indicates a mind did it, and we know little particles of matter don't have a mind. Anyway, why the God of the Bible? For 2 reasons:
1. Is the ONLY religion in the world that came from eyewitneses accounts, all other religions came from a single Man's perception.
2. Original sin is the only logical way to explain death if God is a living God, and only Chrsitanity believes in it.
GOd can't have a beguinning, He must be eternal as point 3 above explains.
@@bobbyd6040 -Jesus did say in (John 10:30): "I and the Father are one."
*This statement implies His unity with God the Father and suggests His divine nature.*
-John 8:58 - Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
*By using the phrase "I am," Jesus evoked the name of God revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14, indicating His eternal existence.*
-(John 14:9) - Jesus said to Philip, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."
*Here, Jesus equates Himself with the Father, suggesting His divine nature and unity with God.*
-(John 20:28) - After His resurrection, Thomas addressed Jesus as "My Lord and my God."
*This exclamation by Thomas acknowledges Jesus as both Lord and God.*
@@bobbyd6040 -Is like the word "Tawhid", that word IS NOT in the Qur'an, just the implications, same as the implications of the Trinity in the Bible. To understand the literal or methaphorical way of expression, that comes from the entre lecture of the Bible to underst and the person of Jesus better, you'll need to give me an example to explain it.
@@bobbyd6040 -It doesn't matter, the word "Tawhid" IS NOT in the Qur'an, same as the word Trinity is not in the Bible, we understand these terms from the implications given.
In (Matthew 28:19) Jesus says: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of 👉the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit👈, HERE JESUS IS MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL AS THE FATHER AND HOLY SPIRIT.
About worship, in (John 5:23): Jesus said, "That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him)
HOnoring Jesus as the Father is WORSHIPPING the Son at the same level of the Father.
Are you for real? When Rebecca was born Isaac was 37. He married Rebecca at the age of 40. So how old is Rebecca?
The claim that Rebekah was 3 when she and Isaac married hinges on Genesis 22:23 being the time she was born and her birth occurring around the time of Sarah's death a couple of verses later in 23:1. Let's see if that holds water.
Genesis 22:1-19 relates Isaac being bound to the altar. Here is Genesis 22:20 through 23:1 in full.
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20 And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor;
21 Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram,
22 And Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel.
23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: these eight Milcah did bear to Nahor, Abraham's brother.
24 And his concubine, whose name was Reumah, she bare also Tebah, and Gaham, and Thahash, and Maachah.
1 And Sarah was an hundred and seven and twenty years old: these were the years of the life of Sarah.
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As verse 20 states, this is recording that Abraham received news of Nahor's family some time after the events on the mountain. It's not anyone's time of birth. There is nothing that places Rebekah's birth around the time of Sarah's death in 23:1.
The claim that Rebekah was 3 has no basis in the text. We dont know her age. What we know from Genesis 24 doesn't support her being a toddler.
Quote the bible, book, chapter and verse, stating Isaac was 37 when Rebecca was born.
Even if our muslim friend was right (he's not). In Islam, Muhammad is the final revelation, he is THE example until the end of ages. The Final teacher and example of Christianity is our Lord, Christ himself.
Christianity isn't from Christ and how can God be an example to people?
@@nunya54who said??
@@ok93748 History. Modern Christianity is based upon the ideas and teachings of Paul, and not Christ. The original teachings of Christ remined relatively correct for around three centuries. Some different schools of thought about who Jesus was and some of the ideas of Christianity, like Jesus being God or the son of God developed, as Paul introduced them copying from the Greek mystery religions of the time. Triads, trinities, incarnation, begotten sons, redeemer, savior figures were all ideas that existed in the pagan faiths of the time and since antiquity. They were only a new introduction into the Israelite teachings. Paul, independent of the disciples and the original Israelite community, nominated himself to universalize his peculiar version of Christianity to all peoples and made a new religion for mass appeal which is why he abolished the law (that Jesus said he came to uphold and fulfill) and taught a new, different form of salvation than Jesus taught, making it easy by just accepting Jesus died for your sins. This would easily attract the pagans to this new religion which historians say was just paganism repackaged.
These ideas were not taught by Jesus or known by anyone who knew Jesus and followed him in his lifetime on earth. The Ebionites, Nazarenes who believed in Jesus as a prophet which they took from his early teachings is who they later called heretics. They were the the Jews who believed in him, from amongst his own people, who lived and died and witnessed his actions. That is why Christian scholars like John Toland asked, how is it possible to be the first of all others, who should form wrong conceptions of the doctrines and designs of Jesus? And how did the Gentiles who only believed in Jesus after his death from the preaching and information of people that never knew Jesus, have truer notions of doctrine and Jesus or when could they have their information from the believing Jews.
As Paul famously stated: “I am made all things to all men, that I might, by all means, save some.” He thought the ends justified the means but calling them to what? In his epistles he said “The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached"; “If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness, and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?" As the Christian proverb goes, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” and that is exactly what he did in Rome where he chose to make his religious base. Paul styled himself an apostle among the Gentiles, preached a Jesus doctrine that Greek Gentiles could believe in; a deified savior, a redeemer of sins, in whom a personalized faith could be held without observance of the law. A bodily resurrection that resembles the deities of the mystery cults such as Isis, Attis, Mithra.
If we look at his letters and writings, like his teaching of salvation and compare that to what the gospels record in Jesus' parables of salvation, we find a different teaching and he does not quote Jesus in teachings while the gospel writers do. James and Jude refuted his teachings in their epistles and considered him a heretic and apostate of the law; he spoke animus against the law being critical of it calling it "a ministry of death." Paul is the real founder of Christianity taking it away from what Jesus taught, to worship God alone, to what he taught, worshipping Jesus instead of God; going against the first commandment.
Once the Jewish wing of "Christianity" ended, Pauline Christianity came to the forefront as Constantine adopted his ideas and the Church decided, against evidence, and against opposition, that Jesus was God. Then Jesus' true teachings pretty much became lost and only Paul's teachings were known (as they were imposed upon the subjects of the land by Constantine). There's a lot that get into about Paul and once you do, the inconsistencies in Christianity start to become clear.
@@nunya54 btw we don't accept your muhammadanism.
@@nunya54 shut up🤦♂️
You’re not a Christian neither do you read the Bible or know what we believe in or what we teach
It’s like me coming to you and saying you follow the teachings of Omar and not Muhammad
Please Nunya shut up
I would say the details of any Bible is like missing the forest because of the trees. Sometimes it waters down the actual messages it’s trying to convey .
I can’t determine which is worse hermeneutics between Rebekah being 3 and Genesis 2:2-3 meaning God was physically fatigued and exhausted. Btw, where did you get the 64 from in 2:30? Also, isn’t it a bit grasping at straws to do a multiplication by 1 to get a third digit that can be added to get 17?
I had this told to me the other day lool But Rebecca was able to carry a pitcher full of water after filling it up at a well, and hold a conversation. Unless she was an advanced human lolol
Hey IP can you do a video on how Mohammed thought black dogs were devils and ordered them to be killed
In ensiklopedia khatolic :
Mary was 9 years pregnant with Jesus and when Mary was 11 years old she married Joseph, 86 years old..
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She was most likely 12-13 scholars believe based on Judaic Law and the age Jesus himself came under the yoke of the law.
_>"In ensiklopedia khatolic :_
_Mary was 9 years pregnant with Jesus and when Mary was 11 years old she married Joseph, 86 years old"
@blazing8196 I know. I still want the OP to Quote the Catholic Encyclopaedia.
Slightly off-topic: what’s your opinion on Christus Victor? With Penal Substitution, the only thing I can’t wrap my head around is how Jesus’s death in our place is moral.
That’s one strong three year old girl. I’m a boy and I could barely carry a half full cooler on a summer day before I hit puberty.
Take it easy on the guy, he probably meant he has the thinking capacity of a three year old
I don’t know whether you’ve heard of Sheikh Uthman. He posted a short saying the same thing this Muslim is. I debunked it in a recent comment saying what you said. I said that Isaac is referred to as a boy on the mountain. And that just because Abraham was informed of Rebekah’s existence, it doesn’t mean she was born then. And just because Sarah’s death is recorded directly after the Mount Moriah incident, it doesn’t mean that it happened directly after the incident. And last I mentioned that Rebekah is referred to as a WOMAN at the well. A woman is not a 3 year old girl. I just now saw this video and felt very happy that there are Christians who ARE true believers and that it is possible to defend the Bible fully. Thank you for this video 😊. May God bless you and Peace be with you❤
I think Rebecca came from a planet named Krypton when she was a baby and a farmer and his wife adopted her keeping in secret her identity and her inhuman powers.😂
Rebecca was a child of Nahor which is Abraham's brother. In the old times, there are only few people and they were to populate the world since man is still clean at that time but as people grew, they started being cruel and abusing having sex to all people without marriage that is why, God had restricted marriage to only 1 and their abuse to sex, alcohol and etc made their genes decline.
@@Xandrous_Drumz
In the time of Abraham towns, cities and kingdoms already existed.
What? That’s stupid. Humans are tiring.
Great video!
Can you make a video about clean and unclean foods in the Bible?
Are we allowed to eat pork?
Many muslims say, that even we Christians cannot eat pork...
I've heard this about the age of Abraham's father before as being against the ages being literal. The argument goes like this. Abraham's father would have been 130. Therefore, Abraham would not have reacted like a man his supposed age of 100 (relatively young) would have difficulty fathering a child. But if we take the ages literally, we would also see a progressive reduction (by a significant number) in their lifespans and, presumably with it, their virile years. Abraham as well as his father before him would see that they were not living as long nor able to bear children as old as their ancestors used to. By the time he reached a hundred, it could have been the common experience that no one was able to father a child at that age for some time already. THoughts?
It isn't the only argument. Watch IPs 900 year old man.
@@bassmanjr100 I've seen it. The point is not whether the ages are really literal (I'm not questioning it here) but whether the age of Abraham's father is a good argument against it.
Hey @InspiringPhilosophy, I once saw a mesege from you reguarding christians and cursing. I would like to disagree with your position, There is a great amount of context in the bible about not using foul language and avoiding a bad mouth. I also think that there is a basis to believe that certain words are designed to invite evil into a persons life (somthing you out right dismissed) obvouisly words differ in culture and words evolve, there is still a precedent that certain words are meant to be evil.
Anywho, I like a lot of your work and you've helped me to see that some of my doctrine is not a cut and dry truth as I thought and that good cases exist on other sides (Ex: young earth)
That said I would like it if you would look into the issue of christians cursing in depth, keeping in mind the greater biblical context of avoiding a vulgar tongue.
Much love in Christ!