As a rancher, I can tell you that a 1/2 ton truck can do anything that a 3/4 ton can do until it comes to towing. As you stated, manufacturers always inflate the towing numbers. You have to subtract the GCVR from the towing number, which will always be less than stated. I stopped using 1/2 tons because of the weaker suspension. Hauling 90% of towing capacity on a 1/2 truck will always cause the rear suspension to sag. 90% of towing capacity on a 3/4 will cause some rear sag as well, but only an inch or two, as opposed to 3 to 4 inches or more on on the 1/2 ton. That’s dangerous when towing.
As long as the trailer brakes work properly. The only difference would be the weight of the trucks. The F250 weights almost 1600lbs more. The larger brakes on the truck will make a difference when everything works properly. You will notice a major difference when it comes to a trailer brake failure on the half ton
You talked about the size difference of the bricks, but no discussion of how big the brakes actually are on them. Comparing the size of the brakes to what the brakes were 10 to 20 years ago. Would also be great in seeing how tow ratings have changed over the years.
I went from a 150 to a 350 just because of the truck shortage and I am so glad I did. The F350 is a real truck and so happy with it. Same width but definitely taller and longer. I would push the payload capacity all the time on the 150 1700lbs now I have 3500lbs. I do like the steering of the 150 but considering the size the 350 it is fine. Awesome on long trips. For the price difference I would get another 350 btw only about 1000.00 difference between 250 and 350
I must live under a rock where only. If trucks get to be part of the conversation but I really don't know what a maverick is... I'm guessing it's something like a bedazzled, ridiculously priced, flex fueled or electric Ranger that had the guts beat out of it...
F 250 I use it for work, towing, off-roading, daily driver. Looking into a truck camper so payload means the most. I would like to see a 6.8 vs 7.3 both with 4:30 gears if possible. I like the XL or XLT without all the bells and whistles.
I switched from and F150 to an F250 several years ago. I really wish that I’d made the transition years ago. Even in the 5-7,000 lb range there’s really no comparison. All the components(axles, brakes, suspension) are just so much more substantial on the 250. Even when I’ve a 12,000 lb load you feel so much in control.
I just got the 250 with the 7.3l. I had a 150 with the ecoboost. I loved the ecoboost and the snappiness of the motor but the 250 is a more capable truck. I have a 28’ travel trailer and the 250 handles it much better. The ecoboost handles the trailer but you can tell it was working more.
@@bdcfufor a person who uses the truck as their every day vehicle, and tows 5000 pounds maybe 2-4 weeks per year, would you recommend a 150 or 250? Thanks!
@@richarde1355get the 250. Trust me. It’s better to overtruck than it is to undertruck. You NEVER know when you are in a moment where you wished you got the 250 in the first place. I was telling my wife to go with a 350, but she was dead set on a 150. Well needless to say we ended up holding our heads down in Shame as we were returning our 150. You want at least a 250 my man!!
This was about as close to a comparison of trucks that I have been looking for, I would like to see a towing comparison between the 3.5 EcoBoost F150 and the 7.3L Godzilla F250
Someone with a Ecoboost, you're gas mileage with the Ecoboost when towing will go into the toilet. Between 5.5 and 7 mpg with a heavy trailer. If you're going to tow heavy trailers, you need a V8@@damondavis842
Definitely appreciate the comparison with a fair weight between the half and 3/4 trucks. I do like how you guys pointed out the chain hook up differences. Just traded my Ram 1500 ecodiesel (loved no issues, just a milage thing), for a 24 Sierra dmax. I prefer the GMC chain hook-up vs the half ton Ram.
I think you hit it spot on. I don't tow very often at all and when I do it isn't a huge number. I would opt for the 150. I do wish you would have done a mileage loop empty to show what these get when not towing.
@@Chris-ut6eq The F250 unloaded will probably get around 12-14mpg running around town. Figure about 15-16mpg on the highway. Funny because my 30+ year old F250 with only 3 gears gets the same fuel economy as today's trucks with 7 more gears...they haven't exactly gained anything in over 30 years...course if you are buying an HD truck the last thing you should be concerned about is fuel economy.
I own the exact 23 f-150 heritage. Averages 23mpg on highway (2.7L eco). My wife’s 23 expedition max averages 19 mpg on hwy. my 18 f-350 diesel averages 16 mpg on hwy. all empty of course. Hope this helps. We have a 6.8L f-350 on order. I’ll be curious to see how that does.
Also, the f-150 is a pleasure to drive over the diesel. I’d argue the f-150 is a better ride than my wife’s expedition. It’s the perfect all around vehicle with modest tow needs.
Great test. Have a 12 F-150 5.0 that I tow a TT with. It is rated at 7800 lbs towing and 1870 payload with the scab and more basic features. Great truck and I make it work hard. When time to replace I do toy with the F-250 for even better towing and payload plus the F-250 I have read on average is one of the longest lasting vehicles.
yeah but buy a new truck is 80k. How much gas can you buy for 80k, our Tundras have a 38 gallon tank, I'm always smiling at the gas station when I'm filling up!
I shopped Tundra, but went with the F150 for 2024 model year. The Toyota prices are equivalent to F250 costs. Crazy expensive for a V6 hybrid and low payload.
I am currently in an 08 f150 with the 4.6. I bought the truck in my single days and never planned to tow anything other than a boat. I never bought a boat and now years later the wife and I go camping a couple weekends every month. Camper is around 3500-4000 and the truck lacks power but get us there. I’m in the market now and after talking to many campers at the park, they mainly say go 3/4 ton and skip the 1/2 ton. After pricing the trucks it’s almost the same price, so we made the decision to go f250. Mainly for the payload. Camping with a 7000k lb camper and gear, your payload is gone quick in the f150. We plan on upgrading trailers soon, so with the trucks being equal in price, it’s a no brainer. Only downfall is finding an f250 on the lots, they are scarce.
STX F150 for the win. More payload. As long as you have a 5K to 7K trailer, you will be OK. The problems with the 1500 pound payload, first its a four door truck so you could have four or five passengers. Then people tend to have a bed topper, and stuff in the bed. So they quickly run out of payload. The problem with the higher tow rating F150s you will tend to run out of payload WAY before you run out of tow capacity.
Assume 10% to tongue weight a 10,000 lbs takes 1000 lbs payload leaves you with enough for passengers and some stuff. Wouldn’t ever want to tow 10k with a 150 tho
Thank you for this video! Just what I'm looking for. I have a ram 1500 5.7 with a 6 speed and a 3:55 rear end. Pulled my pop up camper like it wasn't there, but wife wanted a bathroom so now I have a 26 ft Rockwood - dry weight 5600 lbs. After loaded, with four of us - I'm guessing it's around 7,000 lbs (rated to pull 8500 lbs). The truck does it, but like your Dad said, mine feels floaty too. I even have the Timbren suspension support. I'm not getting a 3/4 ram gas with the needle bearing buggered - cam eating 6.4 so when the time comes - F250 is it. Thank you again!
My F150 XLT 302a high trim with 6.5 bed has a payload of 1,796lbs. 3.5 EcoBoost. I don't have a sun roof or FX4 package, but I didn't want them. If you look at the same trim levels the F150 is quite a bit cheaper. And when I was looking there no discounts on the F250, but I got my F150 for $11,250 below sticker. So always compare the out the door price when shopping for a vehicle.
Good video! For me, the right mix at this point in my life is a special order F150 XLcrew with 6.5 bed and the Heavy Duty Payload Package. It has much better mpgs for weekly commute and in the HDPP I get a respectable 25O0 LB payload rating and lower cost 18 inch tires, heavier frame and axle casting and bearings than any other half ton and a 36 gallon fuel tank and 3.73s. This gives me the ability to put in a slide in pop up and my gear, etc. And be under payload. Later, if God allows it, if I am retired, I will move to a 3500 or 350 platform and use an electric bike to run to the store. None of the auto editors EVER compare HDPP F150s as they are hard to obtain. You owe it to the community to find one and review it.
They never even mentioned if the F150 had Max Tow package. This was a weak review. Get an F150 with Max Tow and tow 12k+ and then talk smack about how the F250 is so much better. This is propaganda with Ford pushing super-duty, so not a good compare. The F150 needed at least max tow, and HDPP would put the 5/8 F-150 vs the 3/4 F-250. Disappointing review. That said, ford dropped HDPP in 2024 F150, and the rumored F-200 may come in 2025 or never....
I bought my most recent truck to tow a 7K travel trailer on the weekends. Coming from a Tundra, my biggest concerns were payload and fuel tank size (the Tundra’s payload was abysmal, but it had a 38 gallon tank). I was considering a 3/4 ton, but decided on an F-150 XLT with the heavy duty payload and max trailering packages instead. It has the 5.0, a rear axle similar to the F-250’s with a 3.73 gear set, an additional leaf, a 36 gallon tank, and a 2,570 lb. max payload. I hardly notice the trailer when I’m towing, but I think I may still go the 3/4 ton route in the future, if my wife and I decide to travel with our trailer more frequently.
That's a pretty nice spec of truck and should suffice even if you pick up the frequency of your trips. Even if you eventually get a 250, that HDPP and Max tow spec should command a good amount on the used market.
@@bryaninnc5511 that’s awesome, that would been our choice if they still offered it in lariat trim. We ended up with a Titan XD. Night and day difference vs our 17 and 21 max tow only f150.
I traded a F150 for F250 and I also tow around 7000 or so. However my 7000 pounds is a 28 foot wind catching camper. This is where the F250 helped me. F150 had plenty of power no problem. But on the interstate around the wind gusts coming from semi trucks the F250 is much more steady.
80spyder1 you hit a topic that this excellent review did not address - the “push” of semi’s, class A RV’s and any other flat fronted vehicle passing my routine 65MPH truck with a 6400lb Airstream behind it. We started towing with the truck we already owned, a 2009, 4.6L 2WD, extra cab, short bed (5+ft) and about 1450 lbs of payload, approx 3800 rear end rating. With a topper, cargo, tongue weight, driver and pax were very close to the max payload. At the CAT scales, our setup was about 4300lbs on the rear axle, which got our attention, so we switched to an F250 with the standard bed (6+ft, 2WD, crew cab and 6.2L. My wife will now drive while towing and hated the “push” in the F150 and was reluctant to drive that setup. Did anyone notice those towing mirrors on the F150 TK tested? I have talked to many people at RV parks that have them as well on their F150 and ALL of them had to order them separately! Towing our same Airstream with the F250, is easier on the road, but as a daily driver, it does not make parking lots easy with a larger turn ratio, but has a much stronger rear axle rating and over 3300 lbs of payload. Some folks ask why we stayed with a Ford product when we purchased the F250 - our answer IF we had been driving any other brand and it provided 9 years of flawless driving we probably would have stayed with that brand. As a Toyota guy, I was hesitant about driving an American manufactured product, I was very impressed with the reliability of this F150. Towing MPG is about the same on both vehicles at 10MPG at 65MPH, Highway MPG is only a mile or two less on the F250 at about 16MPG. Please note that TK is in agreement with Big Truck, Big RV, TFL Trucks and KYD when they recommend considering a heavy duty truck (not brand specific) when you reach 6,000 lbs of towing required. Drop by any RV park and see what people are towing their 6,000lb+ rigs with and the majority of these experienced “towers” are using super duty trucks. Thank you again TK for this wonderful comparison and keep your great videos coming!
Fantastic video. I have been debating a 3/4 ton due to the prices being nearly identical to the 1/2 ton these days. Keep up the great work, this was very helpful!
The base model F150 XL is reasonably equipped and still comfortable to drive. It has bluetooth, android auto etc and payload around 2000 pounds. Everything you need and nothing you dont.
Yup as base models become more laden with content, I dont see myself ever desiring anything more than that. Love my XL and often certain features can be easily installed (I added the door keypad, did a console swap, and am considering swapping in heated mirrors).
@@ALMX5DP what year is yours? Does your XL have remote start? I read somewhere that the trucks with the physical key don't get the feature but it's available to turn on in the settings. Saw it on a 22.
@@Glokens mine doesnt have remote start on the fob, but I think I've heard of that feature being added with just the purchase of remotes and a receiver module that plugs right in. There is always the Ford App that I think supports this feature on all newer trucks (22+) though, however seems kind of a pain versus just hitting the button on the fob. If I lived in a colder climate, I would definitely consider adding to mine.
Great video TK! At the same price point, if your truck is more than a latter-day minivan, there's no compelling reason to buy the half-ton truck. An informative and entertaining look at the modern truck buyer's dilemma from the best tag team on automotive TH-cam. Cheers!
Payload and cost, and trans issues pushed me to the 250 back in 19 over the 150. I tow a few times a year, but also haul full bed loads of stone and other items. The 250 fit the bill and the XLT with the 6.2 came in at 46k.
@@kenj.8897 depends on the trim and spec. My F-150 XL has 2060lbs of payload which is plenty for my use. The optioned trucks down in the ~1500lb range though, yeah that's pretty low if you want to use your truck for towing or hauling.
I purchased a 2020 f150 crew 4x4 with the payload capacity of 2477; it came with the HDPP. When coming to my father in laws ram 2500 Cummings, I had more payload. Don’t assume because you’re getting in a HD truck your payload will be better.
I went with a 2500 over half ton for my 11k travel trailer. they advertise it as an HT travel trailer but what what they don’t share is that the weight at the tongue on this rv is about 1500lbs. that’s over most half tons by itself not to mention the bed full of gear and my family of 5. weighing in at cat scales we were 750lbs of weight with a full tank of gas and the 5 of us without gear.. in full camping trim the camper and truck are 18k on the nose…really glad i’m not tugging this around with a halfton
In the past they made trucks that they called the heavy half or a camper special or had a trailer tow package that actually changed the build of the truck from standard at the factory. They should go back to that as an upgrade or have it as an option. We are moving back toward that any way with economies and fuel mileage standards. I used to tow with suburbans all over the US for years. I had the tow package versions that were great! We towed large heavy horse trailers and campers as well as enclosed trailers. Those vehicles were basically beefed up 1/2 tons. They rode like a 1/2 ton when not towing but could handle it when you needed to load them up heavy. They had big v8s, larger or more cores in the radiator and external transmission and oil coolers. They had overload springs and bigger brakes. They were basically or almost 3/4 ton trucks. They just did not put the bigger axles under them but did not need them. They rode way better when empty and got a little better gas mileage when empty. I got pulled over by a State patrol one time and he was going to ticket me or keep me there and scale me because he thought I was overloaded. I was hauling an old tractor back from an auction. I had to show him the vehicle sticker and prove that I was still okay and legal. I was also using an equalizer hitch and had a brake controller. I was legal and fine with the load. When modern trucks started to become cars, my old Suburban had a higher payload and towing capacity than 3/4 ton trucks did.
Some modern OEMs still do the "heavy half" approach. Ford has the heavy duty payload package and max tow package which some accounts say has a thicker frame, 9.75" rear axle, additional leaf in the rear etc. Not as easily identifiable as the older 7 lug 150s but if you look close you can spot some key differences. The 2500 Suburbans were always a cool option, same with Excursions.
Unless you're trying to save a little bit of money, there's really no reason to buy a 150 over a 250. The difference in ride quality is quite minimal while the difference in capability is significant. Towing or hauling in a 250 vs 150 is a night and day difference in terms of control- power, braking, and stability.
Well 5+ MPG would be a good reason. Better acceleration another. Also nicer ride and easier to maneuver would be the another 2. Also way cheaper than a 6.7 truck to maintain and cheaper fuel. If you tow sub 10k occasionally there is no real reason to buy a 250 over a 150 IMO. Now I will say If you are consistently towing 5k plus across the country or you daily heavy loads for work I would want a 6.7 truck.
@@na4valve 5 mpg would be a good reason, if that was reality (it isn't). I got 15-16 mpg in both of my F150 ecoboosts over 6 years. I get 12-13 mpg in my 7.3 godzilla. When I towed in my F150 I was at 8-9mpg. When I tow in my F250 I get 10-11mpg. If you were considering an F150 in the first place then you don't need diesel and would be better off getting an F250 gasser. The ride quality difference is nonsense- it's barely noticeable- you're going from leafspring to leafspring, not rear coils or any serious comfort difference like you would only get in a Ram anyway. 5k is nothing for towing tbh and a 6.7 is only noticeable or relevant for upwards 15-20k. I pull a 3 horse gooseneck with tack at 10k pounds and genuinely can't even feel it's there with the F250 7.3 gasser
@@sly9263 it’s most definitely 5mpg if not more. My current 10spd 5.0 gets 19-20MPG avg with mixed driving. Obviously you were staying in the turbos with that 3.5. My 6.4 8spd 2500 ram got 13-14 with mixed driving. Basically the same you are seeing from the 7.3. Not really referring to towing MPG as I could care less since I spend 99% of my time without a trailer connected. For those that spend a lot of time with a trailer attached would probably benefit from the 2500. Also not a real big fan of the 7.3 kind of dumb for Ford to go backwards in tech. Would have loved to seen a 6.2 DOHC gasser for the f250s. The one thing I will agree on is the ride quality, however it is still noticeable.
@@na4valve your 5.0 is getting 19-20 mostly highway, not city, so stop exaggerating like everyone and their mom who flubs their mpg claims... such an odd behavior
Nice video. I think the biggest thing to consider is what type of trailer you plan to tow when deciding between what type of truck to get. If you’re towing exclusively an open trailer or something similar (low profile boat, etc) the half ton trucks will be fine. They will be more comfortable to drive everyday and get better fuel economy. However if you are towing an enclosed style trailer (camper, enclosed car trailer, horse trailer, high profile large boat) you need to just get an HD regardless of the weight of the trailer. And if it’s long, a dually should be considered. As for the rear end ratios, they do make a difference with tow ratings typically but the new 10 speed transmissions that most trucks have now really make the super short ratios (4.x+) really unnecessary for most situations. It’s really hard to get people to understand this but unless you’re exclusively staying in 1st and 2nd gear the 4.10 or 4.30 rear is not necessary and I would argue a detriment to daily driving and highway speed towing. That’s the purpose of the 10 speed transmissions to be able to downshift one extra gear and give you a similar or in some cases shorter final drive ratio than the 4+ rear ends.
Super, fair, no frills review guys - one of the best I've seen. When "Dad" had the chance to bust on the 1/2 ton, he didn't, and that was awesome. Only thing I would've changed is to have tested an enclosed trailer. I'm just getting into towing (not even quite yet); so, I'm imagining those aerodynamics would make a big difference in handling. As for me, I needed the most bang for a truck shoet enough to fit in my garage, and I ended on the Powerboost. Loving it. Full disclosure: I'm coming from owning the same midsize for the last 22 years, so anything would've been an upgrade for me. Never knew operating and maintaining a vehicle could be this enjoyable. Thanking God for the privilege all the time.
I appreciate your information. We just bought 2023 F-250 Lariat planning on pulling RV trailer. Always have had Tundra or F-150. We wanted to future proof the truck for most RV size weight etc. Thanks. And its the 7.3.
Nice test, you normally do a 0-60 with the trailer load, was this done and just not put in? Would really be interesting to see the difference in ability to get up to hwy speed.
I got the 150 to tow my 10000 GVWR 33 foot Airstream. It's the Ecoboost with Max Tow so it has 14000 tow capacity and 19,500 GCVWR. I don't feel any issues with braking. The suspension is a bit too floaty. I plan on installing Timbren SES to see if that addresses the floating. This is also my daily driver so I didn't want a 250 for that. I find the 150 to be a great daily driver for me with occasional towing of my Airstream.
A 7500# travel trailer (large wind sail) would of really helped make the point that the HD is the smarter option. It's a night & day difference at highway speeds. HD all day long. The GM Heavy Duty trucks independent front suspension really closes the ride quality gap vs a 1/2 ton truck.
I've considered moving up to a 3/4 ton even with the same 5.7 hemi just for better towing. Heavier transmission rear end brakes and suspension. My travel trailer isn't that heavy but we're considering bigger and it would handle it better
These are the kind of videos I love! Working trucks and feature trade-off discussions. This was a solid discussion of these two vehicles. Things I would have liked (or maybe I missed), did the F-150 have max tow package? What was the rear axle ratio on both trucks as tested? Also of note, the longer frame F-250 would tow smoother, so would have liked it if you mentioned F-150 was ~145inch wheelbase vs the F-250s ?160ish? Ford is the only manufacturer to offer a beefed up 1/2 ton with Heavy Duty Payload Package (HDPP). It's rear axle, frame and brakes have upgrades so it's like a 2/3 ton. My '22 F-150, V-8, FX4 has a payload rating of ~2800lbs and max tow of 13,000 (141"WB). It's more than a 1/2 ton but not a 3/4 ton. Would be great to see Dad drive this truck and discuss it in relation to 1/2 & 3/4 ton F-Series. Bug Ford Canada to get you one to test!
Howard mentioned that only gearing is changed, but with the F-150 with Max tow, that 3.73 rear is only one part changed, the rear brakes get slightly larger and the frame is HD vs MD on stock truck (for gen 14 F-150). This is one reason i suspect they make HDPP package bundled with Max Tow, both overlap and ford gets more profits. Did the F-150 rear ration ever get mentioned? i missed it if it did. Looks like the F-250 has the 3.73 with the 14k towing max. Also shouldn't it be mentioned that ford loaned these trucks for the video? That's a sponsorship and not sure if it was mentioned.
Remember when the US and CAN prices were a lot closer? Wages in Canada can’t keep up with inflation and most full size trucks are priced like high end luxury cars. The sticker on my early ‘22 TrailBoss LT has risen about 8k in a short time.
Your video is timely. I tow a 32 foot travel trailer with an F-150 Ecoboost. Does the job but requires WDH. The GVW on the trailer is 7800 lbs. Very comparable to your test weight. What was the tongue weight and what were the requirements for a WDH for both vehicles? Huge issue in the RV industry at the moment.
Steve and Howard, excellent review as usual. Nobody touches these subjects on other channels. You guys really make buyers and users of pickup trucks question what they need, and why. I'm curious to see what the fuel economy differences would be between different axle ratios to let buyers know What differences are apparent to further educate what kind of capability their pickup needs, and what's worth it financially for them. Excellent work guys. Keep the great content coming.
Bed step, no bed step... Let's remember who innovated the tailgate step, and the integrated trailer brake system of which everybody else ripped off. All of these manufacturers 'rip-off' one another on a yearly basis. Ford needs to focus on quality control rather than innovation for the near future. I love my F250 Zilla, but absolutely despise the transmission issues of which dealerships refuse to fix on warranty repair. This video is right on target! Might you guys be able to get to the bottom of the new axle offerings on the SD?? Ford is not explaining what axle is offered on which model w/ the new 11.6" Sterling, 10.5 Sterling, and the M275 Dana. Keep up the great content, Gentlemen! Thank You!!
If people do decide on the F-150 please get the tow mirrors that are available as an option not only do they provide so much more visibility but also look much better than the standard mirrors.
I tow a 6000 pound dry weight trailer. Obviously adding the things you take with you in an RV add to your weight along with passengers. I've owned 7 different rv trailers since 1975. With my 1/2 ton trucks I put on dual exhaust,(Borla touring exhaust), heavier duty shocks, usually Bilsteins, and Air Lift suspension bags. Also an Afe cold air induction. It makes such a big difference in the performance when towing and weight distribution. It's such a big difference in towing over stock. I currently tow with a 2024 F150, 5L with 373 gears and have no problems.
I bought a 2022 F150 RCSB 4x4 with 5.0. Could not get any rear gear except 3.31. Had 4.09 and 4.10 gears installed with 20x8.5 stock wheels with 285/60R20 with a 3.85 effective rear ratio. The truck is a tow beast and still gets 18mpg average. When I get a chance I will put a 9.75 rear axle with 4.10 gears. Too bad a person can't order it the way they want but Ford draws the line when it comes to a reg cab. I tow whatever I want within a 60 mile radius of my house and use a 94 1/2 7.3 for everything else. Great review and I understand the length and weight of the vehicle make alot of difference but prefer a reg cab short box most of the time. I usually pull a 12' dump trailer that weighs 3180 lbs and haul 3 to 4 thousand lbs. I agree with your Dad loads exceeding 9000 should only be towed with 3/4 ton pickups
Thanks for the video. Yeah. I'm a city-guy. Love pickups. I'd get a Coyote V8 NA in a 150. I don't get out into the woods to tow enough. It's usually stuff that I can throw into the bed and a grill. If I had to tow? 250, no doubt.
I think the vast majority of buyers would be quite happy with a 3.5L hybrid with a heavy pay load package and a 6.5ft bed. Go with a well optioned XLT or if youre feeling spendy a Lariat. Youll have damn near 2500lbs payload and can option for the tow tech package for some extra features if wanted. Youll save a ton on gas with the hybrid, i thought it was a gimmick. But i got one as a loner for a week. And in city traffic you can eisily get 25 to 30 mpg. And the smooth shifting it adds. I didnt notice it at first. But my wife was a hyge fan of the smooth power train. When i got back to my truck it was plan as day the diffrence it made. And the low end power was better. For sure give it a try.
2500lbs is simply not enough. I have a trailer with up to 1,200lbs of hitch weight and if you put 4 grown beer drinking men in the cab that's almost another 1,000lbs. That only leaves you with 300 lbs for fuel and gear. I'm also not a fan of gassers for towing, I just don't like associated high RPMs and thus I went with diesel instead. If outfitting a F250 with diesel it lowers the payload; thus, I would opt for the F350 instead when going diesel -- that's what I did.
Need to tow something bigger like an rv around 7,000 to 8,000 lbs to compare the handling and sway differences, big difference from a flatbed trailer to a box on wheels as far as wind forces.
Exactly what I was thinking I have a brand new 2024 trailer dry weight of 5000, and the max weight is 7595. New 2023 f150 also haven't had time yet to test them out. In need of a tow comparison video
Mpg pulling....i reaaly like the Ecobooosts....this is my 3rd Pulls incredibly well but.... Mpg can get pretty nasty. Recent pull was into mid 30s L/100km.. Southern Alberta.....mid 30s temp and bucking a strong wind pulling a 6000# trailer. Ive had 5.4s and Chev 6.2L.....they are definitely better mpg wise pulling. If i pulled alot i don't think id get another EB....i may re visit the 5L,or look at a F250(if we upgrade trailer).
Hey TK!, Thanks for another informative video. Here's my question, I noticed that both trucks had the FX4 package, which we all know is Ford's standard off road package, so what is the difference between the FX4 and the Max Tow Package, as far as towing numbers and the ride are concerned? I see a lot of trucks that are usually used for towing that have an off road package, it seems counterintuitive. ,🤔
Just came across this video, thx, nice job. I just got my 2023 eco boost and looking, it seems that the plate mounting the remote control port is upside down. The remote control connector port should be on the upper left corner.
When you say worse fuel economy with higher axel ratio, how bad are you talking? .5 mpg, 10mpg? Also, what is the towing difference between the 5.5 and the 6.5 bed on the f150? How much difference does that make?
It would have been nice to have a comparison pulling a 7 or 8,000 rv trailer. How it handles when a semi blasts past you or you need know the handing up and down hills.
I would separate towing loads into two categories, flat loads, and sail loads. On any platform, you will always tow more with a flat load than a sail load of the same length due to air resistance and destabilization due to side winds. Once you get into heavier trailers, the number of axles also technically affects stability, but for a general sense, RVs and Enclosed trailers tow different than flat or open loads. The most I would personally tow with a half ton from any manufacturer for a flat load is ~9,000lbs. With a sail load, I would reduce this number to 7,000 lbs, and limit the length of trailer to 28feet. On a single rear wheel 3/4 or one ton (there is practically very little difference between them) the most I would tow flat load would be 16,000lbs. With the sail load, I would limit this to 15,000 lbs and 35 feet with a double axle, and 40 feet with a triple. Anything more than that, and you should be running a dually, the longer the wheelbase, the better. This is both an inertia question, as a half ton truck weighs 5,000-5,700lbs on average vs 6500-8,000 lbs of a 3/4 or one ton SRW ( more mass = more inertial dampening), and a leverage question, a half ton has a 144-150 inch wheelbase on average, and a 3/4 ton 155-175 inch wheelbase on average (longer = more leverage over load). As far as there being a difference in comfortable lengths depending on number of trailer axles, this is down to leverage and friction. The wheelbase of the trailer is effectively lengthened with more axles which makes it more resistant to rotating on the plane of movement, and there is increased friction of the additional axle, both in the hubs and tire surface area. These will dampen wind loads. They also mean that they require more power to tow at a given speed, even at the same overall weight, but a triple axle trailer is also usually heavier than a double in practice. The mid-size trucks are a bit more of a crap chute, as there is a HUGE difference from the most and least capable in the class as far as towing stability. Let's just say the new 24 Tacomas are night and day different from the previous gen. The most I would tow from the two best towing in that class (Ranger and Gladiator, GM twins are close to as stable) would be 7,000lbs flat and 5,000lbs and 24 feet long for a sail load. For reference, the last gen Tacoma, which I would consider the worst towing mid-size (yes, much worse that the Ridgeline, which is actually pretty good) would be 4,500lbs flat, and about 3500lbs and an 18ft trailer with a sail load. They had notoriously floppy rear ends, and meh brakes, especially hauling or towing. Thank you Toyota for putting some meat and 4 wheel discs on the gen 4.
Another great informative video. I think I’d like to see this video comparison remade with two similar trim levels. What Id like to see is a maxed out F-150 King Ranch or Platinum F-150 with the 6.5’ bed max trailering build using the hybrid system. Then take the same trim and the 6.7’ bed in the King ranch or Platinum loaded up with the 6.7 Diesel. Now take these trucks and snow operating costs in a mix of driving, city highway every day with two passengers then tow the max with both and compare. Finally I’d like to see the stopping, acceleration, turn radius and all the things an owner will experience on a daily basis with each platform.
Did did I understand y’all to say the difference in tow rating is based mainly on the rear end? I have a 21 F150 with 3:31 gears. Would the frame and transmission/cooling ability be the same as a 3:73 gear truck with standard towing package ??
I currently have a '21 F150 Powerboost and absolutely love the 5.5 second 0-60 and the Blue Cruise. I keep wondering how the F-250 Powerstroke compares in acceleration.
Great video! I think it would be interesting to compare the feel of driving the trucks if they were both towing 50-60% of their max towing capacity. Like your father said in the video, 7k isn't anything for a 250 but its 50% of the 150's tow capacity.
I don’t tow really much at all but Im thinking about one because I just like the simplicity of the larger displacement gassers. (And they are priced the same as the 1500s)
My 1997 F250 HD 4X4 5.8 OBS was 25,900 off the lot. Sounds cheap, but at the time Walmart was paying me $6.68 an hour. It's still my daily driver with 147k.
Geez, what a great video! You guys are frickin’ awesome. I am not really in the market for this type of comparison, but I am still interested. I am in the market for a mid-size vs. 1/2 ton to tow at 2,900 lb Casita travel trailer and camping gear (waiting until the end of 2024 to purchase). Would love to see this same comparison with the upcoming Ford Ranger (rated to tow 7,500 lbs.) vs the Ford F150 (rated to tow 9,400 plus lbs). Perhaps even having the 2.7L EB engine in both trucks??? Towing a 3,500 to 5,000 lb trailer. I always appreciate you guys talking payload in addition to just tow rating. The same comparison could be done with the new Chevy/GMC Colorado/Canyon vs. the Cheve/GMC Silverados/Sierras even with the same 2.7L TC’ed 4 cylinder.
As a followup, I love the differential trim comparison of the more “basic” bigger truck vs. the more “loaded” smaller truck in order to create a similar price point. How about a Ford F150 XL with the STX package vs. a new 2024 Ford Ranger XLT or so with the same engine?
Yeah a mid-size vs full size comparo like this would be cool. Not sure how big those Casita trailers are, but if it is 2900 dry weight and it's similar to the single axle units I've seen, a mid-size should be fine. But of course if you pack heavy and want to load up more things like bikes, kayaks, etc I feel a full size simply has more space to keep it all organized (not to mention the potential for more payload capacity).
@@ALMX5DP our molded fiberglass Casita (egg) camper weighs about 2,200 lbs dry. Fully, loaded including the bike rack (with 2 bikes) on the rear of the Casita, it will approach 2,900 lbs. I agree with your assessment completely. I think a midsize truck (even with a 5,000 lb tow rating) is more than capable. Payload is the often overlooked factor for any truck. I also agree completely that the full-size truck (1/2 ton) just gives more “space” to organize. But, we really like the “drivability” size of the mid-size truck. For these reasons, I am quite interested in the new ‘24 Tacoma with a 6’ bed as a potential compromise. Of course, payload will be a factor as well. Also, pondering a traditional 6 cylinder engine in a mid-size vs. the newer turbocharged 4 cylinders in midsize trucks. Or, if we go 1/2 ton, then turbocharged 6 cylinders vs. traditional 8 cylinders. If we go 1/2 ton, I will lean heavily to the shorter “quad” cab over the traditional “crew” cab. It is only my wife and I, so the shorter cab would be fine. I want the 6’ plus bed for camping gear (Clam tent for example when folded is 6’ long, so I want it to fit lengthwise in the truck bed). LOL, our camper is too small to clutter the inside with the Clam tent even when traveling! ;)
@@deanmay338 yup that’s a very similar mentality to what I have. Only ended up in a 1/2 ton because at the time of purchase the prices were pretty similar between that and a midsize but sometimes I do lament not getting something smaller when daily driving it in the city. Also went with the Super Cab over a crew cab to get the additional bed length and put in a Bed Rug which I love so far.
@@ALMX5DP LOL, just got back from Sunday “truck shopping” with the our Maltese! Plenty of 1/2 tons available (F150s - nearly 3 dozen, Silverados - 18 or so, Sierras - 18 or so, and Ram 1500s about 15 [but too many with the 3.6L V6]). Surprisingly, there were even 5 Tundras on the Toyota lot. The most I have ever seen. Heavily optioned F150 XLTs are being discounted $8,000, but still more money than I am willing to pay for a truck. However, I did notice a new F150 XL Quad Cab (2.7L EB) with the STX package and only a few options that was being discounted from $43K to $40K. At $40K, that is much less than a Honda Ridgeline Black Edition at $48K or a loaded Nissan Pro4X at $48K. Of course, all these are pre-negotiation prices. Also, noticed a 2020 Nissan Titan Quad Cab w/ 24,000 miles listed at $38K. Interestingly, the same or less money than a 2021 Ranger (38K, 27,000 miles) and 2021 (42K, 38,000 miles). Titans just don’t seem to get much love. I would definitely consider one. I am leaning toward buying new at the end of 2024, but will consider 3 to 5 y/o trucks as well depending on the budget and market at the end of 2024.
So, the f250 is not simply a work truck. It has a manageable ride unladen? Then i want that. Mpg loss......but you can move anything. Hmmm.. i dont want a ohv motor though. They dont make this easy.
I was stuck at this crossroad as to needing a 3/4 or 1 ton. Landed on the ‘21 f150 with the 3.5 eco, max tow and 6.5ft bed. For me I’m not towing daily, but towing every weekend be it my RV or boat. RV around 9k lbs fully loaded. Running a Stabilizer hitch and driving smart this truck handles this trailer perfectly. Torquey off the line, plenty of braking power. Will a 3/4 do it better? Yes of course. But this video comparison I believe wasn’t the best suited for the “crossover” point between a low end 3/4 ton and a half. The differences between the featured f150 and mine alone are huge
Thanks guys I have been trying to decide between the two and I tow a 5000 pound travel trailer now and want to get a 9000 pound toy hauler travel trailer. Was told that the new F150 Powerboost was the way to go but it looks like the 250 makes more sense.
Thanks so much for this video! A small point; at 2:00 you have a bust in calculating the USD prices. For some reason you use an exchange rate of roughly 0.75 on the F150 but use roughly a 0.81 rate on the F250. Converting $80CDN, that 0.06 is a pretty big difference. I’m thinking the 0.75 is more accurate; if yes, the F250 USD price should be reduced roughly $5k USD. Thanks for another great TK video!
I just got a 24 f150 xlt bap and want a 2.5" level kit, but on my previous 18 f150, I was always told 3" was to high for f150's due to the cv angle. Are the 24 f150 different? I would like a 3 inch lift instead of going 4 inch and having to cut the frame with installation. Thanks, truck is beautiful. I really love my 24 xlt bap in avalanche grey!
I thought that the base engine on the F250 XLT was the 7.3L. Ford only seems to offer the 6.8L in the XL (at least on their site). Getting a Super Duty is tough too. I have been waiting for a F450 for over a year.
Bought a '23 F-150, supercab, 8' bed, v8. The payload is 2507lb with 13K towing. For me it came down to how much do I tow. I don't tow everyday but I do drive the truck almost every day. So I want something affordable to operate everyday. I get 23mpg on highway and 18 city. I don't think ill get that Mpg in the Super Duty. I have easily towed at max rated and it handles it fine. I have the max tow and max payload package. This results in larger rear breaks. My trailer has breaks and at max load it breaks fine. So like most things it is a compromise. I'd rather have the Super Duty but I'd rather pay the running cost of the F-150. For me the F-150 is a great economical choice. One thing to note. Ford says towing over 5K you need a weight distribution hitch on the F-150. I researched this and got one that fits all my towing needs.
Great work on this comparison guys! Suddenly I feel like I’m driving a bargain in my 22 F350 lariat Godzilla with a black package. Ordered December 2021. $82,500.
I went from a Ram 1500 to a F250. The Ram was ok in the towing power, but the softer suspension and lower overall weight made towing my camper a chore, to say the least. The 250 is a different world entirely. The size, weight, suspension, breaking. Is all way better. Going from a half ton to a 3/4 ton has doubled the capacity. Payload went from about 1500 pounds to 3300 pounds. Realistic towing went from 7k to 14k.
I got a max tow 6.2l 3.42 half ton and with my trailer 9k I have little payload left. I put load range E tires, air bags and hd shocks to bring the confident towing experience. Where as in the f250 here its just all there with 1200 lbs more payload. My half has 1970lb payload. A good comparison. And as far as power no issues with the half ton. Both are way more power than any old school big block ever had.
The payload rating is what it’s all about at the end of the day, especially if you’re towing and hauling, buy an F250 all day long, half ton trucks can tow, but they have no payload, a.k.a. grocery getter
As a rancher, I can tell you that a 1/2 ton truck can do anything that a 3/4 ton can do until it comes to towing. As you stated, manufacturers always inflate the towing numbers. You have to subtract the GCVR from the towing number, which will always be less than stated. I stopped using 1/2 tons because of the weaker suspension. Hauling 90% of towing capacity on a 1/2 truck will always cause the rear suspension to sag. 90% of towing capacity on a 3/4 will cause some rear sag as well, but only an inch or two, as opposed to 3 to 4 inches or more on on the 1/2 ton. That’s dangerous when towing.
Listen to this guy! He knows.
I’d like to see the difference between the stopping distances and how each truck handled an emergency stop.
and slapping their travel trailer on each and getting impressions in the wind, hills, etc...
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That’s a great idea. I don’t know of anyone doing that.
As long as the trailer brakes work properly. The only difference would be the weight of the trucks. The F250 weights almost 1600lbs more. The larger brakes on the truck will make a difference when everything works properly. You will notice a major difference when it comes to a trailer brake failure on the half ton
You talked about the size difference of the bricks, but no discussion of how big the brakes actually are on them. Comparing the size of the brakes to what the brakes were 10 to 20 years ago. Would also be great in seeing how tow ratings have changed over the years.
I seldomly tow, so the creature comforts of the F150 are the better option for me. Love my Powerboost.
Same here.
powerboost is an awesome idea for a truck..... id love to get one
$68k truck with cloth seats. Wild times we live in.
His pricing is off on the f250 but it's still outrageous. Bidenflation and bidenomics spend more get less.
I went from a 150 to a 350 just because of the truck shortage and I am so glad I did. The F350 is a real truck and so happy with it. Same width but definitely taller and longer. I would push the payload capacity all the time on the 150 1700lbs now I have 3500lbs. I do like the steering of the 150 but considering the size the 350 it is fine. Awesome on long trips. For the price difference I would get another 350 btw only about 1000.00 difference between 250 and 350
I went from owning an F250 to a Maverick. Didn’t need the capability anymore. The Mav is so much fun to drive, I love it, especially on road trips.
So your comment is pointless then...
@@weskirkland5850The point is he loves his maverick
Came out the closet??
@@fu2974 😆🤣stop
I must live under a rock where only. If trucks get to be part of the conversation but I really don't know what a maverick is... I'm guessing it's something like a bedazzled, ridiculously priced, flex fueled or electric Ranger that had the guts beat out of it...
F 250 I use it for work, towing, off-roading, daily driver. Looking into a truck camper so payload means the most. I would like to see a 6.8 vs 7.3 both with 4:30 gears if possible. I like the XL or XLT without all the bells and whistles.
I switched from and F150 to an F250 several years ago. I really wish that I’d made the transition years ago. Even in the 5-7,000 lb range there’s really no comparison. All the components(axles, brakes, suspension) are just so much more substantial on the 250. Even when I’ve a 12,000 lb load you feel so much in control.
Frame is the biggest difference imo
@@JJ-mh3hb I have an 11 F150, has 6.2L maxtow. 3.73. Says 11.1K on the hitch, hard to believe.
I just got the 250 with the 7.3l. I had a 150 with the ecoboost. I loved the ecoboost and the snappiness of the motor but the 250 is a more capable truck. I have a 28’ travel trailer and the 250 handles it much better. The ecoboost handles the trailer but you can tell it was working more.
@@bdcfufor a person who uses the truck as their every day vehicle, and tows 5000 pounds maybe 2-4 weeks per year, would you recommend a 150 or 250? Thanks!
@@richarde1355get the 250. Trust me. It’s better to overtruck than it is to undertruck. You NEVER know when you are in a moment where you wished you got the 250 in the first place. I was telling my wife to go with a 350, but she was dead set on a 150. Well needless to say we ended up holding our heads down in Shame as we were returning our 150. You want at least a 250 my man!!
I was looking for this exact review, and you guys nailed it! Great job!
This was about as close to a comparison of trucks that I have been looking for, I would like to see a towing comparison between the 3.5 EcoBoost F150 and the 7.3L Godzilla F250
Ecoboost has a lot of torque and lighter. Powerboost has crazy numbers
Someone with a Ecoboost, you're gas mileage with the Ecoboost when towing will go into the toilet. Between 5.5 and 7 mpg with a heavy trailer. If you're going to tow heavy trailers, you need a V8@@damondavis842
Love the comparison. Would like to see the same for GMC, between the gas 6.2 1500 and gas 6.6 2500.
100% agree I think a lot of folks would love to see this, particularly the 3.0 vs the 6.6 gas.
Definitely appreciate the comparison with a fair weight between the half and 3/4 trucks. I do like how you guys pointed out the chain hook up differences. Just traded my Ram 1500 ecodiesel (loved no issues, just a milage thing), for a 24 Sierra dmax. I prefer the GMC chain hook-up vs the half ton Ram.
Should have done a brake test comparison. Which truck does a better job if you have to hit the the brakes when towing.
Great comparison, got a 1500 and a 2500 GMC and I've compared them on my own but it's nice to hear about another brand.
I think you hit it spot on. I don't tow very often at all and when I do it isn't a huge number. I would opt for the 150. I do wish you would have done a mileage loop empty to show what these get when not towing.
Yes, mileage as a daily driver. I picked 150 for just this reason, but still would like to know the 250 mileage unladen.
@@Chris-ut6eq The F250 unloaded will probably get around 12-14mpg running around town. Figure about 15-16mpg on the highway. Funny because my 30+ year old F250 with only 3 gears gets the same fuel economy as today's trucks with 7 more gears...they haven't exactly gained anything in over 30 years...course if you are buying an HD truck the last thing you should be concerned about is fuel economy.
@@wildbill23c mpg may not have changed much, but capability, features and general NVH aspects have improved considerably.
I own the exact 23 f-150 heritage. Averages 23mpg on highway (2.7L eco). My wife’s 23 expedition max averages 19 mpg on hwy. my 18 f-350 diesel averages 16 mpg on hwy. all empty of course. Hope this helps. We have a 6.8L f-350 on order. I’ll be curious to see how that does.
Also, the f-150 is a pleasure to drive over the diesel. I’d argue the f-150 is a better ride than my wife’s expedition. It’s the perfect all around vehicle with modest tow needs.
Great test. Have a 12 F-150 5.0 that I tow a TT with. It is rated at 7800 lbs towing and 1870 payload with the scab and more basic features. Great truck and I make it work hard. When time to replace I do toy with the F-250 for even better towing and payload plus the F-250 I have read on average is one of the longest lasting vehicles.
My 2014 Tundra has a 4.30 rear end and with tow/haul engaged it’s a tow beast. Just sucks that the payload is so crappy. Plus it drinks the fuel hard.
low single digits uphill with trailer in tow.
yeah but buy a new truck is 80k. How much gas can you buy for 80k, our Tundras have a 38 gallon tank, I'm always smiling at the gas station when I'm filling up!
I shopped Tundra, but went with the F150 for 2024 model year. The Toyota prices are equivalent to F250 costs. Crazy expensive for a V6 hybrid and low payload.
I am currently in an 08 f150 with the 4.6. I bought the truck in my single days and never planned to tow anything other than a boat. I never bought a boat and now years later the wife and I go camping a couple weekends every month. Camper is around 3500-4000 and the truck lacks power but get us there. I’m in the market now and after talking to many campers at the park, they mainly say go 3/4 ton and skip the 1/2 ton. After pricing the trucks it’s almost the same price, so we made the decision to go f250. Mainly for the payload. Camping with a 7000k lb camper and gear, your payload is gone quick in the f150. We plan on upgrading trailers soon, so with the trucks being equal in price, it’s a no brainer. Only downfall is finding an f250 on the lots, they are scarce.
@@lowblueranger Smart Decision!
STX F150 for the win. More payload. As long as you have a 5K to 7K trailer, you will be OK. The problems with the 1500 pound payload, first its a four door truck so you could have four or five passengers. Then people tend to have a bed topper, and stuff in the bed. So they quickly run out of payload. The problem with the higher tow rating F150s you will tend to run out of payload WAY before you run out of tow capacity.
My 2017 XLT 3.5 eco 4x4 crew cab has 1810 payload
Assume 10% to tongue weight a 10,000 lbs takes 1000 lbs payload leaves you with enough for passengers and some stuff. Wouldn’t ever want to tow 10k with a 150 tho
Exactly what I was waiting for!! Right on Steve!! Good morning!!!
Thank you for this video! Just what I'm looking for. I have a ram 1500 5.7 with a 6 speed and a 3:55 rear end. Pulled my pop up camper like it wasn't there, but wife wanted a bathroom so now I have a 26 ft Rockwood - dry weight 5600 lbs. After loaded, with four of us - I'm guessing it's around 7,000 lbs (rated to pull 8500 lbs). The truck does it, but like your Dad said, mine feels floaty too. I even have the Timbren suspension support. I'm not getting a 3/4 ram gas with the needle bearing buggered - cam eating 6.4 so when the time comes - F250 is it. Thank you again!
My F150 XLT 302a high trim with 6.5 bed has a payload of 1,796lbs. 3.5 EcoBoost. I don't have a sun roof or FX4 package, but I didn't want them. If you look at the same trim levels the F150 is quite a bit cheaper. And when I was looking there no discounts on the F250, but I got my F150 for $11,250 below sticker. So always compare the out the door price when shopping for a vehicle.
Really good and useful review. You guys are focusing on what counts. It’s the F250 for me
Good video! For me, the right mix at this point in my life is a special order F150 XLcrew with 6.5 bed and the Heavy Duty Payload Package. It has much better mpgs for weekly commute and in the HDPP I get a respectable 25O0 LB payload rating and lower cost 18 inch tires, heavier frame and axle casting and bearings than any other half ton and a 36 gallon fuel tank and 3.73s. This gives me the ability to put in a slide in pop up and my gear, etc. And be under payload.
Later, if God allows it, if I am retired, I will move to a 3500 or 350 platform and use an electric bike to run to the store.
None of the auto editors EVER compare HDPP F150s as they are hard to obtain. You owe it to the community to find one and review it.
They never even mentioned if the F150 had Max Tow package. This was a weak review. Get an F150 with Max Tow and tow 12k+ and then talk smack about how the F250 is so much better. This is propaganda with Ford pushing super-duty, so not a good compare. The F150 needed at least max tow, and HDPP would put the 5/8 F-150 vs the 3/4 F-250. Disappointing review.
That said, ford dropped HDPP in 2024 F150, and the rumored F-200 may come in 2025 or never....
If it come In a 4wd crew cab I would have bought but UT only comes in long bed 2wd
Love this comparison. Let's see an 3.0Duramax vs 6.6L gas GM 2500.
The 3L Duramax isn't offered in a 2500.
I bought my most recent truck to tow a 7K travel trailer on the weekends. Coming from a Tundra, my biggest concerns were payload and fuel tank size (the Tundra’s payload was abysmal, but it had a 38 gallon tank). I was considering a 3/4 ton, but decided on an F-150 XLT with the heavy duty payload and max trailering packages instead. It has the 5.0, a rear axle similar to the F-250’s with a 3.73 gear set, an additional leaf, a 36 gallon tank, and a 2,570 lb. max payload. I hardly notice the trailer when I’m towing, but I think I may still go the 3/4 ton route in the future, if my wife and I decide to travel with our trailer more frequently.
That's a pretty nice spec of truck and should suffice even if you pick up the frequency of your trips. Even if you eventually get a 250, that HDPP and Max tow spec should command a good amount on the used market.
That’s a unicorn, the HDPP package is rarely ordered in a f150 that’s the truck that can actually tow the rated amount.
@@newenglandrvadventures Yep. The guy who ordered it go tired of waiting, so I bought it.
@@bryaninnc5511 that’s awesome, that would been our choice if they still offered it in lariat trim. We ended up with a Titan XD. Night and day difference vs our 17 and 21 max tow only f150.
I traded a F150 for F250 and I also tow around 7000 or so. However my 7000 pounds is a 28 foot wind catching camper. This is where the F250 helped me. F150 had plenty of power no problem. But on the interstate around the wind gusts coming from semi trucks the F250 is much more steady.
80spyder1 you hit a topic that this excellent review did not address - the “push” of semi’s, class A RV’s and any other flat fronted vehicle passing my routine 65MPH truck with a 6400lb Airstream behind it. We started towing with the truck we already owned, a 2009, 4.6L 2WD, extra cab, short bed (5+ft) and about 1450 lbs of payload, approx 3800 rear end rating. With a topper, cargo, tongue weight, driver and pax were very close to the max payload. At the CAT scales, our setup was about 4300lbs on the rear axle, which got our attention, so we switched to an F250 with the standard bed (6+ft, 2WD, crew cab and 6.2L. My wife will now drive while towing and hated the “push” in the F150 and was reluctant to drive that setup. Did anyone notice those towing mirrors on the F150 TK tested? I have talked to many people at RV parks that have them as well on their F150 and ALL of them had to order them separately! Towing our same Airstream with the F250, is easier on the road, but as a daily driver, it does not make parking lots easy with a larger turn ratio, but has a much stronger rear axle rating and over 3300 lbs of payload. Some folks ask why we stayed with a Ford product when we purchased the F250 - our answer IF we had been driving any other brand and it provided 9 years of flawless driving we probably would have stayed with that brand. As a Toyota guy, I was hesitant about driving an American manufactured product, I was very impressed with the reliability of this F150. Towing MPG is about the same on both vehicles at 10MPG at 65MPH, Highway MPG is only a mile or two less on the F250 at about 16MPG. Please note that TK is in agreement with Big Truck, Big RV, TFL Trucks and KYD when they recommend considering a heavy duty truck (not brand specific) when you reach 6,000 lbs of towing required. Drop by any RV park and see what people are towing their 6,000lb+ rigs with and the majority of these experienced “towers” are using super duty trucks. Thank you again TK for this wonderful comparison and keep your great videos coming!
100% spot on great review. Surprised to see the f150 mileage.
Great video gents! I have a '21 F150 and am considering an F250 with the 7.3L when I'm ready to make a move.
Fantastic video. I have been debating a 3/4 ton due to the prices being nearly identical to the 1/2 ton these days. Keep up the great work, this was very helpful!
The base model F150 XL is reasonably equipped and still comfortable to drive. It has bluetooth, android auto etc and payload around 2000 pounds. Everything you need and nothing you dont.
Yup as base models become more laden with content, I dont see myself ever desiring anything more than that. Love my XL and often certain features can be easily installed (I added the door keypad, did a console swap, and am considering swapping in heated mirrors).
@@ALMX5DP what year is yours? Does your XL have remote start? I read somewhere that the trucks with the physical key don't get the feature but it's available to turn on in the settings. Saw it on a 22.
@@Glokens mine doesnt have remote start on the fob, but I think I've heard of that feature being added with just the purchase of remotes and a receiver module that plugs right in. There is always the Ford App that I think supports this feature on all newer trucks (22+) though, however seems kind of a pain versus just hitting the button on the fob. If I lived in a colder climate, I would definitely consider adding to mine.
Pro power on board is on the passenger side of the super duties because the 5th wheel gooseneck hook ups go on the driver's side
Great video TK! At the same price point, if your truck is more than a latter-day minivan, there's no compelling reason to buy the half-ton truck. An informative and entertaining look at the modern truck buyer's dilemma from the best tag team on automotive TH-cam. Cheers!
Well said! AND THANK YOU complete stranger…
Another thing to remember is towing trailers with high side walls the wind won't effect the larger heavier truck as much.
Payload and cost, and trans issues pushed me to the 250 back in 19 over the 150. I tow a few times a year, but also haul full bed loads of stone and other items. The 250 fit the bill and the XLT with the 6.2 came in at 46k.
1/2 tons have crap payload after people and stuff .
@@kenj.8897 depends on the trim and spec. My F-150 XL has 2060lbs of payload which is plenty for my use. The optioned trucks down in the ~1500lb range though, yeah that's pretty low if you want to use your truck for towing or hauling.
@@ALMX5DP my Chevy had 2080 and I was maxed out with my 25 ft. Travel trailer and wife and dog . And we aren't fatties
@@kenj.8897 sounds like a considerable amount of tongue weight.
I purchased a 2020 f150 crew 4x4 with the payload capacity of 2477; it came with the HDPP. When coming to my father in laws ram 2500 Cummings, I had more payload. Don’t assume because you’re getting in a HD truck your payload will be better.
I went with a 2500 over half ton for my 11k travel trailer. they advertise it as an HT travel trailer but what what they don’t share is that the weight at the tongue on this rv is about 1500lbs. that’s over most half tons by itself not to mention the bed full of gear and my family of 5. weighing in at cat scales we were 750lbs of weight with a full tank of gas and the 5 of us without gear.. in full camping trim the camper and truck are 18k on the nose…really glad i’m not tugging this around with a halfton
I have 2014 Mustang agT and changed gear ratio to 4.10 from 3.31. It is now a wild ride lol
GREAT video! Every day consumers will appreciate this comparison and breakdown!
In the past they made trucks that they called the heavy half or a camper special or had a trailer tow package that actually changed the build of the truck from standard at the factory. They should go back to that as an upgrade or have it as an option.
We are moving back toward that any way with economies and fuel mileage standards.
I used to tow with suburbans all over the US for years. I had the tow package versions that were great! We towed large heavy horse trailers and campers as well as enclosed trailers.
Those vehicles were basically beefed up 1/2 tons. They rode like a 1/2 ton when not towing but could handle it when you needed to load them up heavy. They had big v8s, larger or more cores in the radiator and external transmission and oil coolers. They had overload springs and bigger brakes. They were basically or almost 3/4 ton trucks. They just did not put the bigger axles under them but did not need them. They rode way better when empty and got a little better gas mileage when empty.
I got pulled over by a State patrol one time and he was going to ticket me or keep me there and scale me because he thought I was overloaded. I was hauling an old tractor back from an auction.
I had to show him the vehicle sticker and prove that I was still okay and legal. I was also using an equalizer hitch and had a brake controller. I was legal and fine with the load.
When modern trucks started to become cars, my old Suburban had a higher payload and towing capacity than 3/4 ton trucks did.
Some modern OEMs still do the "heavy half" approach. Ford has the heavy duty payload package and max tow package which some accounts say has a thicker frame, 9.75" rear axle, additional leaf in the rear etc. Not as easily identifiable as the older 7 lug 150s but if you look close you can spot some key differences. The 2500 Suburbans were always a cool option, same with Excursions.
Unless you're trying to save a little bit of money, there's really no reason to buy a 150 over a 250. The difference in ride quality is quite minimal while the difference in capability is significant. Towing or hauling in a 250 vs 150 is a night and day difference in terms of control- power, braking, and stability.
Well 5+ MPG would be a good reason. Better acceleration another. Also nicer ride and easier to maneuver would be the another 2. Also way cheaper than a 6.7 truck to maintain and cheaper fuel. If you tow sub 10k occasionally there is no real reason to buy a 250 over a 150 IMO. Now I will say If you are consistently towing 5k plus across the country or you daily heavy loads for work I would want a 6.7 truck.
@@na4valve 5 mpg would be a good reason, if that was reality (it isn't). I got 15-16 mpg in both of my F150 ecoboosts over 6 years. I get 12-13 mpg in my 7.3 godzilla. When I towed in my F150 I was at 8-9mpg. When I tow in my F250 I get 10-11mpg. If you were considering an F150 in the first place then you don't need diesel and would be better off getting an F250 gasser. The ride quality difference is nonsense- it's barely noticeable- you're going from leafspring to leafspring, not rear coils or any serious comfort difference like you would only get in a Ram anyway. 5k is nothing for towing tbh and a 6.7 is only noticeable or relevant for upwards 15-20k. I pull a 3 horse gooseneck with tack at 10k pounds and genuinely can't even feel it's there with the F250 7.3 gasser
@@sly9263 it’s most definitely 5mpg if not more. My current 10spd 5.0 gets 19-20MPG avg with mixed driving. Obviously you were staying in the turbos with that 3.5. My 6.4 8spd 2500 ram got 13-14 with mixed driving. Basically the same you are seeing from the 7.3. Not really referring to towing MPG as I could care less since I spend 99% of my time without a trailer connected. For those that spend a lot of time with a trailer attached would probably benefit from the 2500. Also not a real big fan of the 7.3 kind of dumb for Ford to go backwards in tech. Would have loved to seen a 6.2 DOHC gasser for the f250s. The one thing I will agree on is the ride quality, however it is still noticeable.
@@na4valve your 5.0 is getting 19-20 mostly highway, not city, so stop exaggerating like everyone and their mom who flubs their mpg claims... such an odd behavior
@@sly9263 it gets 22-23 at 70. It gets upper 20s at 55. So no that’s not mostly Highway and interstate speed MPG.
Nice video. I think the biggest thing to consider is what type of trailer you plan to tow when deciding between what type of truck to get. If you’re towing exclusively an open trailer or something similar (low profile boat, etc) the half ton trucks will be fine. They will be more comfortable to drive everyday and get better fuel economy. However if you are towing an enclosed style trailer (camper, enclosed car trailer, horse trailer, high profile large boat) you need to just get an HD regardless of the weight of the trailer. And if it’s long, a dually should be considered.
As for the rear end ratios, they do make a difference with tow ratings typically but the new 10 speed transmissions that most trucks have now really make the super short ratios (4.x+) really unnecessary for most situations. It’s really hard to get people to understand this but unless you’re exclusively staying in 1st and 2nd gear the 4.10 or 4.30 rear is not necessary and I would argue a detriment to daily driving and highway speed towing. That’s the purpose of the 10 speed transmissions to be able to downshift one extra gear and give you a similar or in some cases shorter final drive ratio than the 4+ rear ends.
Should compare the longer 6'7" bed F150 for the ultimate comparison, length would be within a few inches.
Super, fair, no frills review guys - one of the best I've seen. When "Dad" had the chance to bust on the 1/2 ton, he didn't, and that was awesome. Only thing I would've changed is to have tested an enclosed trailer. I'm just getting into towing (not even quite yet); so, I'm imagining those aerodynamics would make a big difference in handling.
As for me, I needed the most bang for a truck shoet enough to fit in my garage, and I ended on the Powerboost. Loving it. Full disclosure: I'm coming from owning the same midsize for the last 22 years, so anything would've been an upgrade for me. Never knew operating and maintaining a vehicle could be this enjoyable. Thanking God for the privilege all the time.
I appreciate your information. We just bought 2023 F-250 Lariat planning on pulling RV trailer. Always have had Tundra or F-150. We wanted to future proof the truck for most RV size weight etc. Thanks. And its the 7.3.
Nice test, you normally do a 0-60 with the trailer load, was this done and just not put in? Would really be interesting to see the difference in ability to get up to hwy speed.
F150 for me. I do not tow. The truck is my daily driver for work and hunting. Love my Lariat powerboost. Great review guys!
Good video . Just bought an F350 XL crew STX 23 . Love the truck. Payload is 4550 ; towing 13900. 6.8 with 3.73 gears.
I got the 150 to tow my 10000 GVWR 33 foot Airstream. It's the Ecoboost with Max Tow so it has 14000 tow capacity and 19,500 GCVWR. I don't feel any issues with braking. The suspension is a bit too floaty. I plan on installing Timbren SES to see if that addresses the floating.
This is also my daily driver so I didn't want a 250 for that. I find the 150 to be a great daily driver for me with occasional towing of my Airstream.
A 7500# travel trailer (large wind sail) would of really helped make the point that the HD is the smarter option. It's a night & day difference at highway speeds. HD all day long.
The GM Heavy Duty trucks independent front suspension really closes the ride quality gap vs a 1/2 ton truck.
I've considered moving up to a 3/4 ton even with the same 5.7 hemi just for better towing. Heavier transmission rear end brakes and suspension. My travel trailer isn't that heavy but we're considering bigger and it would handle it better
These are the kind of videos I love! Working trucks and feature trade-off discussions. This was a solid discussion of these two vehicles. Things I would have liked (or maybe I missed), did the F-150 have max tow package? What was the rear axle ratio on both trucks as tested? Also of note, the longer frame F-250 would tow smoother, so would have liked it if you mentioned F-150 was ~145inch wheelbase vs the F-250s ?160ish?
Ford is the only manufacturer to offer a beefed up 1/2 ton with Heavy Duty Payload Package (HDPP). It's rear axle, frame and brakes have upgrades so it's like a 2/3 ton. My '22 F-150, V-8, FX4 has a payload rating of ~2800lbs and max tow of 13,000 (141"WB). It's more than a 1/2 ton but not a 3/4 ton. Would be great to see Dad drive this truck and discuss it in relation to 1/2 & 3/4 ton F-Series. Bug Ford Canada to get you one to test!
Howard mentioned that only gearing is changed, but with the F-150 with Max tow, that 3.73 rear is only one part changed, the rear brakes get slightly larger and the frame is HD vs MD on stock truck (for gen 14 F-150). This is one reason i suspect they make HDPP package bundled with Max Tow, both overlap and ford gets more profits.
Did the F-150 rear ration ever get mentioned? i missed it if it did. Looks like the F-250 has the 3.73 with the 14k towing max. Also shouldn't it be mentioned that ford loaned these trucks for the video? That's a sponsorship and not sure if it was mentioned.
Remember when the US and CAN prices were a lot closer? Wages in Canada can’t keep up with inflation and most full size trucks are priced like high end luxury cars. The sticker on my early ‘22 TrailBoss LT has risen about 8k in a short time.
Your video is timely. I tow a 32 foot travel trailer with an F-150 Ecoboost. Does the job but requires WDH. The GVW on the trailer is 7800 lbs. Very comparable to your test weight. What was the tongue weight and what were the requirements for a WDH for both vehicles? Huge issue in the RV industry at the moment.
Here I was excited thinking I was going to get an unloaded highway loop mpg comparison between these two and no. Just a little towing.
Steve and Howard, excellent review as usual. Nobody touches these subjects on other channels. You guys really make buyers and users of pickup trucks question what they need, and why. I'm curious to see what the fuel economy differences would be between different axle ratios to let buyers know What differences are apparent to further educate what kind of capability their pickup needs, and what's worth it financially for them. Excellent work guys. Keep the great content coming.
Bed step, no bed step... Let's remember who innovated the tailgate step, and the integrated trailer brake system of which everybody else ripped off. All of these manufacturers 'rip-off' one another on a yearly basis. Ford needs to focus on quality control rather than innovation for the near future. I love my F250 Zilla, but absolutely despise the transmission issues of which dealerships refuse to fix on warranty repair. This video is right on target! Might you guys be able to get to the bottom of the new axle offerings on the SD?? Ford is not explaining what axle is offered on which model w/ the new 11.6" Sterling, 10.5 Sterling, and the M275 Dana. Keep up the great content, Gentlemen! Thank You!!
If people do decide on the F-150 please get the tow mirrors that are available as an option not only do they provide so much more visibility but also look much better than the standard mirrors.
Halfton looks bad with big mirrors
Exactly! Have to get the max tow mirrors on half ton
YES please talk more about rear end axle ratio and gas mileage , if you want the high tow # it's going to cost more at the gas pump ,
I tow a 6000 pound dry weight trailer. Obviously adding the things you take with you in an RV add to your weight along with passengers. I've owned 7 different rv trailers since 1975. With my 1/2 ton trucks I put on dual exhaust,(Borla touring exhaust), heavier duty shocks, usually Bilsteins, and Air Lift suspension bags. Also an Afe cold air induction. It makes such a big difference in the performance when towing and weight distribution. It's such a big difference in towing over stock. I currently tow with a 2024 F150, 5L with 373 gears and have no problems.
Thanks for explaining the gear ratios. 👍🏽
I bought a 2022 F150 RCSB 4x4 with 5.0. Could not get any rear gear except 3.31. Had 4.09 and 4.10 gears installed with 20x8.5 stock wheels with 285/60R20 with a 3.85 effective rear ratio. The truck is a tow beast and still gets 18mpg average. When I get a chance I will put a 9.75 rear axle with 4.10 gears. Too bad a person can't order it the way they want but Ford draws the line when it comes to a reg cab. I tow whatever I want within a 60 mile radius of my house and use a 94 1/2 7.3 for everything else. Great review and I understand the length and weight of the vehicle make alot of difference but prefer a reg cab short box most of the time. I usually pull a 12' dump trailer that weighs 3180 lbs and haul 3 to 4 thousand lbs. I agree with your Dad loads exceeding 9000 should only be towed with 3/4 ton pickups
Thanks for the video. Yeah. I'm a city-guy. Love pickups. I'd get a Coyote V8 NA in a 150. I don't get out into the woods to tow enough. It's usually stuff that I can throw into the bed and a grill. If I had to tow? 250, no doubt.
I think the vast majority of buyers would be quite happy with a 3.5L hybrid with a heavy pay load package and a 6.5ft bed. Go with a well optioned XLT or if youre feeling spendy a Lariat.
Youll have damn near 2500lbs payload and can option for the tow tech package for some extra features if wanted.
Youll save a ton on gas with the hybrid, i thought it was a gimmick. But i got one as a loner for a week. And in city traffic you can eisily get 25 to 30 mpg. And the smooth shifting it adds. I didnt notice it at first. But my wife was a hyge fan of the smooth power train. When i got back to my truck it was plan as day the diffrence it made. And the low end power was better. For sure give it a try.
2500lbs is simply not enough. I have a trailer with up to 1,200lbs of hitch weight and if you put 4 grown beer drinking men in the cab that's almost another 1,000lbs. That only leaves you with 300 lbs for fuel and gear. I'm also not a fan of gassers for towing, I just don't like associated high RPMs and thus I went with diesel instead. If outfitting a F250 with diesel it lowers the payload; thus, I would opt for the F350 instead when going diesel -- that's what I did.
Hey there, have you ever reviewed the 2.7? Great review as always!
Would the extra power in the F250 make a difference in off roading?
Need to tow something bigger like an rv around 7,000 to 8,000 lbs to compare the handling and sway differences, big difference from a flatbed trailer to a box on wheels as far as wind forces.
Exactly what I was thinking I have a brand new 2024 trailer dry weight of 5000, and the max weight is 7595. New 2023 f150 also haven't had time yet to test them out. In need of a tow comparison video
Mpg pulling....i reaaly like the Ecobooosts....this is my 3rd
Pulls incredibly well but....
Mpg can get pretty nasty.
Recent pull was into mid 30s L/100km..
Southern Alberta.....mid 30s temp and bucking a strong wind pulling a 6000# trailer.
Ive had 5.4s and Chev 6.2L.....they are definitely better mpg wise pulling.
If i pulled alot i don't think id get another EB....i may re visit the 5L,or look at a F250(if we upgrade trailer).
EB dumps fuel to keep it cool
Hey TK!, Thanks for another informative video. Here's my question, I noticed that both trucks had the FX4 package, which we all know is Ford's standard off road package, so what is the difference between the FX4 and the Max Tow Package, as far as towing numbers and the ride are concerned? I see a lot of trucks that are usually used for towing that have an off road package, it seems counterintuitive. ,🤔
Just came across this video, thx, nice job. I just got my 2023 eco boost and looking, it seems that the plate mounting the remote control port is upside down. The remote control connector port should be on the upper left corner.
Man, that 5.0 is a sweet engine. Not too much you can complain about with that video.
Thanks for making this awesome video. Im trying to deside between the f 150 or f 250. This will really help me, thanks.
When you say worse fuel economy with higher axel ratio, how bad are you talking? .5 mpg, 10mpg? Also, what is the towing difference between the 5.5 and the 6.5 bed on the f150? How much difference does that make?
It would have been nice to have a comparison pulling a 7 or 8,000 rv trailer. How it handles when a semi blasts past you or you need know the handing up and down hills.
I would separate towing loads into two categories, flat loads, and sail loads. On any platform, you will always tow more with a flat load than a sail load of the same length due to air resistance and destabilization due to side winds. Once you get into heavier trailers, the number of axles also technically affects stability, but for a general sense, RVs and Enclosed trailers tow different than flat or open loads. The most I would personally tow with a half ton from any manufacturer for a flat load is ~9,000lbs. With a sail load, I would reduce this number to 7,000 lbs, and limit the length of trailer to 28feet. On a single rear wheel 3/4 or one ton (there is practically very little difference between them) the most I would tow flat load would be 16,000lbs. With the sail load, I would limit this to 15,000 lbs and 35 feet with a double axle, and 40 feet with a triple. Anything more than that, and you should be running a dually, the longer the wheelbase, the better. This is both an inertia question, as a half ton truck weighs 5,000-5,700lbs on average vs 6500-8,000 lbs of a 3/4 or one ton SRW ( more mass = more inertial dampening), and a leverage question, a half ton has a 144-150 inch wheelbase on average, and a 3/4 ton 155-175 inch wheelbase on average (longer = more leverage over load). As far as there being a difference in comfortable lengths depending on number of trailer axles, this is down to leverage and friction. The wheelbase of the trailer is effectively lengthened with more axles which makes it more resistant to rotating on the plane of movement, and there is increased friction of the additional axle, both in the hubs and tire surface area. These will dampen wind loads. They also mean that they require more power to tow at a given speed, even at the same overall weight, but a triple axle trailer is also usually heavier than a double in practice. The mid-size trucks are a bit more of a crap chute, as there is a HUGE difference from the most and least capable in the class as far as towing stability. Let's just say the new 24 Tacomas are night and day different from the previous gen. The most I would tow from the two best towing in that class (Ranger and Gladiator, GM twins are close to as stable) would be 7,000lbs flat and 5,000lbs and 24 feet long for a sail load. For reference, the last gen Tacoma, which I would consider the worst towing mid-size (yes, much worse that the Ridgeline, which is actually pretty good) would be 4,500lbs flat, and about 3500lbs and an 18ft trailer with a sail load. They had notoriously floppy rear ends, and meh brakes, especially hauling or towing. Thank you Toyota for putting some meat and 4 wheel discs on the gen 4.
Another great informative video. I think I’d like to see this video comparison remade with two similar trim levels.
What Id like to see is a maxed out F-150 King Ranch or Platinum F-150 with the 6.5’ bed max trailering build using the hybrid system.
Then take the same trim and the 6.7’ bed in the King ranch or Platinum loaded up with the 6.7 Diesel.
Now take these trucks and snow operating costs in a mix of driving, city highway every day with two passengers then tow the max with both and compare. Finally I’d like to see the stopping, acceleration, turn radius and all the things an owner will experience on a daily basis with each platform.
Did did I understand y’all to say the difference in tow rating is based mainly on the rear end? I have a 21 F150 with 3:31 gears. Would the frame and transmission/cooling ability be the same as a 3:73 gear truck with standard towing package ??
So what were the gear ratios in those trucks? Great comparison but you left that information out.
I currently have a '21 F150 Powerboost and absolutely love the 5.5 second 0-60 and the Blue Cruise. I keep wondering how the F-250 Powerstroke compares in acceleration.
Great video! I think it would be interesting to compare the feel of driving the trucks if they were both towing 50-60% of their max towing capacity. Like your father said in the video, 7k isn't anything for a 250 but its 50% of the 150's tow capacity.
I don’t tow really much at all but Im thinking about one because I just like the simplicity of the larger displacement gassers. (And they are priced the same as the 1500s)
My 1997 F250 HD 4X4 5.8 OBS was 25,900 off the lot. Sounds cheap, but at the time Walmart was paying me $6.68 an hour. It's still my daily driver with 147k.
Geez, what a great video! You guys are frickin’ awesome. I am not really in the market for this type of comparison, but I am still interested. I am in the market for a mid-size vs. 1/2 ton to tow at 2,900 lb Casita travel trailer and camping gear (waiting until the end of 2024 to purchase). Would love to see this same comparison with the upcoming Ford Ranger (rated to tow 7,500 lbs.) vs the Ford F150 (rated to tow 9,400 plus lbs). Perhaps even having the 2.7L EB engine in both trucks??? Towing a 3,500 to 5,000 lb trailer. I always appreciate you guys talking payload in addition to just tow rating. The same comparison could be done with the new Chevy/GMC Colorado/Canyon vs. the Cheve/GMC Silverados/Sierras even with the same 2.7L TC’ed 4 cylinder.
As a followup, I love the differential trim comparison of the more “basic” bigger truck vs. the more “loaded” smaller truck in order to create a similar price point. How about a Ford F150 XL with the STX package vs. a new 2024 Ford Ranger XLT or so with the same engine?
Yeah a mid-size vs full size comparo like this would be cool. Not sure how big those Casita trailers are, but if it is 2900 dry weight and it's similar to the single axle units I've seen, a mid-size should be fine. But of course if you pack heavy and want to load up more things like bikes, kayaks, etc I feel a full size simply has more space to keep it all organized (not to mention the potential for more payload capacity).
@@ALMX5DP our molded fiberglass Casita (egg) camper weighs about 2,200 lbs dry. Fully, loaded including the bike rack (with 2 bikes) on the rear of the Casita, it will approach 2,900 lbs. I agree with your assessment completely. I think a midsize truck (even with a 5,000 lb tow rating) is more than capable. Payload is the often overlooked factor for any truck. I also agree completely that the full-size truck (1/2 ton) just gives more “space” to organize. But, we really like the “drivability” size of the mid-size truck. For these reasons, I am quite interested in the new ‘24 Tacoma with a 6’ bed as a potential compromise. Of course, payload will be a factor as well. Also, pondering a traditional 6 cylinder engine in a mid-size vs. the newer turbocharged 4 cylinders in midsize trucks. Or, if we go 1/2 ton, then turbocharged 6 cylinders vs. traditional 8 cylinders. If we go 1/2 ton, I will lean heavily to the shorter “quad” cab over the traditional “crew” cab. It is only my wife and I, so the shorter cab would be fine. I want the 6’ plus bed for camping gear (Clam tent for example when folded is 6’ long, so I want it to fit lengthwise in the truck bed). LOL, our camper is too small to clutter the inside with the Clam tent even when traveling! ;)
@@deanmay338 yup that’s a very similar mentality to what I have. Only ended up in a 1/2 ton because at the time of purchase the prices were pretty similar between that and a midsize but sometimes I do lament not getting something smaller when daily driving it in the city. Also went with the Super Cab over a crew cab to get the additional bed length and put in a Bed Rug which I love so far.
@@ALMX5DP LOL, just got back from Sunday “truck shopping” with the our Maltese! Plenty of 1/2 tons available (F150s - nearly 3 dozen, Silverados - 18 or so, Sierras - 18 or so, and Ram 1500s about 15 [but too many with the 3.6L V6]). Surprisingly, there were even 5 Tundras on the Toyota lot. The most I have ever seen. Heavily optioned F150 XLTs are being discounted $8,000, but still more money than I am willing to pay for a truck. However, I did notice a new F150 XL Quad Cab (2.7L EB) with the STX package and only a few options that was being discounted from $43K to $40K. At $40K, that is much less than a Honda Ridgeline Black Edition at $48K or a loaded Nissan Pro4X at $48K. Of course, all these are pre-negotiation prices. Also, noticed a 2020 Nissan Titan Quad Cab w/ 24,000 miles listed at $38K. Interestingly, the same or less money than a 2021 Ranger (38K, 27,000 miles) and 2021 (42K, 38,000 miles). Titans just don’t seem to get much love. I would definitely consider one. I am leaning toward buying new at the end of 2024, but will consider 3 to 5 y/o trucks as well depending on the budget and market at the end of 2024.
Great video TK! I'd really like to see a LZ0 Duramax review if you can get one!
So, the f250 is not simply a work truck. It has a manageable ride unladen? Then i want that. Mpg loss......but you can move anything. Hmmm.. i dont want a ohv motor though. They dont make this easy.
The pushrod motors in the Super Duty trucks are very good. Ford hasn't made the mistake of including cylinder deactivation.
I was stuck at this crossroad as to needing a 3/4 or 1 ton. Landed on the ‘21 f150 with the 3.5 eco, max tow and 6.5ft bed. For me I’m not towing daily, but towing every weekend be it my RV or boat. RV around 9k lbs fully loaded. Running a Stabilizer hitch and driving smart this truck handles this trailer perfectly. Torquey off the line, plenty of braking power. Will a 3/4 do it better? Yes of course. But this video comparison I believe wasn’t the best suited for the “crossover” point between a low end 3/4 ton and a half.
The differences between the featured f150 and mine alone are huge
Thanks guys I have been trying to decide between the two and I tow a 5000 pound travel trailer now and want to get a 9000 pound toy hauler travel trailer. Was told that the new F150 Powerboost was the way to go but it looks like the 250 makes more sense.
Thanks so much for this video!
A small point; at 2:00 you have a bust in calculating the USD prices. For some reason you use an exchange rate of roughly 0.75 on the F150 but use roughly a 0.81 rate on the F250. Converting $80CDN, that 0.06 is a pretty big difference. I’m thinking the 0.75 is more accurate; if yes, the F250 USD price should be reduced roughly $5k USD.
Thanks for another great TK video!
Sadly, the pricing is not a straight conversion. They price based on what they can get.
I just got a 24 f150 xlt bap and want a 2.5" level kit, but on my previous 18 f150, I was always told 3" was to high for f150's due to the cv angle. Are the 24 f150 different? I would like a 3 inch lift instead of going 4 inch and having to cut the frame with installation. Thanks, truck is beautiful. I really love my 24 xlt bap in avalanche grey!
I thought that the base engine on the F250 XLT was the 7.3L. Ford only seems to offer the 6.8L in the XL (at least on their site). Getting a Super Duty is tough too. I have been waiting for a F450 for over a year.
Bought a '23 F-150, supercab, 8' bed, v8. The payload is 2507lb with 13K towing. For me it came down to how much do I tow. I don't tow everyday but I do drive the truck almost every day. So I want something affordable to operate everyday. I get 23mpg on highway and 18 city. I don't think ill get that Mpg in the Super Duty. I have easily towed at max rated and it handles it fine.
I have the max tow and max payload package. This results in larger rear breaks. My trailer has breaks and at max load it breaks fine.
So like most things it is a compromise. I'd rather have the Super Duty but I'd rather pay the running cost of the F-150. For me the F-150 is a great economical choice.
One thing to note. Ford says towing over 5K you need a weight distribution hitch on the F-150. I researched this and got one that fits all my towing needs.
Great video. I've been looking at both vehicles and can see that the 250 is the way to go for safety.
Love the video. Great job
Great work on this comparison guys! Suddenly I feel like I’m driving a bargain in my 22 F350 lariat Godzilla with a black package.
Ordered December 2021.
$82,500.
I ordered a F450 King Ranch ($92k) April 2022 and still don't have it.
I went from a Ram 1500 to a F250. The Ram was ok in the towing power, but the softer suspension and lower overall weight made towing my camper a chore, to say the least. The 250 is a different world entirely. The size, weight, suspension, breaking. Is all way better. Going from a half ton to a 3/4 ton has doubled the capacity. Payload went from about 1500 pounds to 3300 pounds. Realistic towing went from 7k to 14k.
Love this comparison. My two favorite models at the moment
I got a max tow 6.2l 3.42 half ton and with my trailer 9k I have little payload left. I put load range E tires, air bags and hd shocks to bring the confident towing experience. Where as in the f250 here its just all there with 1200 lbs more payload. My half has 1970lb payload.
A good comparison. And as far as power no issues with the half ton. Both are way more power than any old school big block ever had.
the tail gate step was introduced to the super duty in 2008
Excellent video. As you stated it all comes down to what you need. For me it is the F-250.
The payload rating is what it’s all about at the end of the day, especially if you’re towing and hauling, buy an F250 all day long, half ton trucks can tow, but they have no payload, a.k.a. grocery getter
Was going to get a new 23 F150 tremor but decided to go with a 23 F250 Lariat with the 7.3 since both were the same price.