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Those are just the as tested prices. You can get a RAM 2500 Tradesman with the Power Wagon package for closer to $50k if you're willing to do without some interior amenities. Since you want a Tremor though I suggest you take out a second or third mortgage on your house.
Never been a fan of big torque down low? Just guna stick to the gaz guzzling v8 rams that have to wind up to 4600 RPM to feel any power/torque :D jajajaj u missing out these new ecoboost are fun as hell making make power down low rpm means everyday driving u feel the ford powaaa with the ram u would have to blow a head gasket flooring it all the time to have fun with it
@@lolz616 You're comparing a gasoline engine to a diesel engine. Sure they're both 4 strokes but that's like comparing Joe Montana (super human quarterback extrordinare) to Muhammad Ali (quite possibly the best boxer to ever live). Sure, both of them are humans, both excellent athletes but excellent in totally different sports.
@@newman8r45 So, in your opinion, this video pushed these trucks to their limits? The intent behind my post was simply to state the obstacles here aren't tough for a Kia Spectra, let alone a $60k+ truck marketed as off road capable.
@@Frindleeguy obviously not, but to be fair the majority of the market these trucks fit arent people looking for a qualified off roader. Im confident the reason why they didnt push the trucks however is because they dont own them, and a heavy truck like these are likely to break from doing any real off-road test.
@@newman8r45 My diesel dually hits trails harder than this weekly. Most everyone with a toy hauler has towed 15-20k+ lbs on trails much rougher than this. What are you even talking about?
@@Frindleeguy "im a smoker whos 90 years old so obviously smoking isnt bad for your health" Your anecdotal situation doesnt disprove how 3/4 or 1 ton vehicles with the express design of towing domestic loads are not intended for off road abuse.
Picked up my 2022 F250 Tremor diesel in August. Bad Ass. It’s been off-roading, towing, in the snow, in the mud, performing flawlessly. Never been so happy with a truck.
One is an offroad legend with proper running gear, the other two are regular trucks with bigger tires, rear lockers, and fancy looks. I'm sure the other two are nice trucks and all, BUT THE POWERWAGON DON'T CARE!.
You'd love the advancements in features/tech + better MPGs in new F150. Trust me on that. All i buy is F150s. Owned last 3 Gens. Phenomenal trucks that are still benchmark of the class. Ordered a '23 F150 XLT Tremor cream cab w/5.0L Coyote V8. Will drive it 10-12yrs or more.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Except there is nothing HD about the Ram specs. Great at offroading - but frankly doesn't match up towing-wise to most 1/2 tons on the market. IMO, that's what makes and HD an HD - and it just doesn't have the goods!
@@JS-um4vr The only reason for that is the suspension. Airlifter bags and Daystar cradles resolve that. The Power Wagon is the most offroad capable, and about 600 bucks in aftermarket parts brings up its only ailment.
@@gen-x-zeke8446 Correct, I live in Colorado and all of our houses are made with phillips head nails. That way the hooligans can't steal our doors and sell them for weed money.
I’m a Ford guy through and through. My 17 F250 is an amazing truck. I love the new gmc at4 exterior, slap the Ram interior with the at4 exterior and the Ford powertrain and that’s my perfect build.
Excellent review Guys. I really appreciate the different view points and information and the amount of time and work that it takes to get these videos to us. Is it possible to do another test with the Ford 7.3 and GMC gas . I believe the lighter weight of the gas motors would make both the Ford and GMC compete a little better off road. This way we could also see the fuel economy in comparison. Keep up the great work
I wish, fact is they get what they get from the manufacturer and say thank you. Kinds crazy as the gas model is going to lighter and perform much better off road. You would think the manufacturer would do everything they could to help but...
not really with the Ford. They wanted it to do off road but also haul your camper....its a balance between both worlds. I can appreciate that. Out where we are it does matter. Its nice to have a good 4x4 that can actually do work in sticky situations. I dont know anyone who buys trucks who actually gets a Power Wagon unless its a kid., (FWIW, I do have a PW.....of course mine is a 1968 W200 with a slant six)
I believe you are supposed to be stationary when disconnecting the sway bar and he clearly was moving when trying to disconnect it. He was stationary on the first test and had no problems.
And on very still nights in Snowab, if you listen carefully as the cold wind blows, you can still hear that very same sway bar - still trying to disconnect! I want my articulation...
In order to disconnect the sway bar you need to rock the truck from side to side not forward to back, the mechanism is bound up from the weight of the truck and the actuator that pushes the plunger to disengage the sway bar is spring loaded so it will pop out as soon as pressure is relieved.
I bought a 19 F250 and I love it! Such an awesome truck. I raced a camero one day and I took it for about 100 Yards till it finally passed me. These F250’s are spunky and powerful.
Tremor gets my vote for best truck for my purposes. I had a 1977 K5 383 stoker for years but it shook my teeth out on the trail far more than what any of these guys experienced.
@@sly9263 ya we had a fleet of them in line const . high failure rate , but ya you read something on the internet or your a straight up fan boy so I'm sure you know more than a person who lives it.
@@sly9263 lol a bureaucrat! and everyone wonders why this country is going to shit. So now you propose to tell me what i see and dealt with. and the best part is "govt fleets". you truly have me laughing ! let me explain I'm talking about trucks that have to do REAL work . I understand that is a foreign concept for you .
It all comes down to what you are going to use the truck for. I bought my 2019 power wagon knowing that it was going to be used for fun and not work and I love it. And as far as fuel economy and towing, I can get 17.5 mpg hwy and tow my 32ft travel trailer averaging 12 mpg with out any problems.
I have the 2022 PowerWagon 75th anniversary and that disconnecting swaybar is a game changer. 37's from certain offroad tire manufacturers will work fine with factory suspension. Not all 37's are the same outside diameter. I replaced teh suspension with the Carli/King Pintop system and radius arms and with locking front and rear diff, it's untouchable.
Yea, good gas mileage for big honking trucks. One thing everyone needs to keep in mind before they pick on the ram for fuel mileage is that the diesels make up for the low cost at the pump when it comes repair time. The cost of maintenance and repair on a diesel drivetrain is awful compared to a regular gas engine. I like a gas engine truck for the practicality.
Awesome video! Like I said previously, you guys are THE authority when it comes to ANYTHING pickup truck! That being said, all these trucks are impressive. I was impressed with the Power Wagon's fuel economy, the GM's RTI with IFS, and Ford's overall package. What a time to be an offroad pickup fan!
You guys need to realize that the larger Tire actually is a disadvantage when figuring crawl ratios. For every rotation of the tire you travel further. Andre needs to do a little research
Exactly what I was thinking ! I can't believe none of these guys thought about that... A smaller tire would actually act as a reduction ratio factor, not the opposite like they're saying ! What about idle engine RPM, that makes a huge difference as well !
@@10dannyp89 To an extent, yes, but a torque converter doesn't ever actually disengage. The stall speed is the point of maximum torque transfer, but as long as the impeller is spinning, the turbine will be under load and trying to spin. The gas engine, with its higher idle, would actually put the most power through the converter at idle.
Interested to have the fuel cost calculated when doing the MPG test comparing Gas vs Diesel. Cost at the pump is probably more important to actual comsumers.
I would like to point out that larger tires do not crawl slower, especially if the other trucks have a taller final gear ratio. If the power wagon isn't locked into 1st gear it will automatically switch into 2nd just like the wrangler does. And another thing to take into consideration, diesel engines idle slower than gasoline, and not all transmissions are going to lock into gear while at low idle speeds. If the torque converter isn't locked in that will make the vehicle crawl slower because there is less power being transferred into the driveline.
@@jrhunt414 at red lights on inclines I never have to use my brake, in my '16 Power Wagon , never rolls backward. mostly never ;) people in back of me must shit themselves, but Power Wagon don't care
@@jrhunt414 I 100% agree the idle speed was the deciding factor, but to be fair the test should have been run on flat smooth ground to eliminate all variables.
The computer in the Power Wagon increases the idle speed when in low range to help maintain smoother forward speed when rock crawling. I find it irritating. The diesels probably idle at least 20% lower (of course they won't spin up to 6k rpm either)
Honestly this is one of my favorite videos you all have done so far. Really great comparisons between the HDs. Love it when the manufacturers give what you ask for at the right time!
I have a power wagon myself. The power wagon is the only one that still has the mechanical linkage for the transfer case. The other rams may have the level but it's still electric shift
AAA has the F250 as the most reliable vehicle - not just truck - in the USA for the 8th straight year. It can't be beat. The 2021 models have some crazy upgrades too! No other major truck has self parking either (Platinum only atm)
Always been a Ford guy for obvious reasons..they are usually the best overall trucks & most dependable. We will stick w/our F150 Tremor & new Ranger FX4. No reason to change! Maybe an F250 in future. Keep it "All American" trucks!
Diesel Life no hate but the tremors 80k powerwagons 64k so if they were to drop another 16k in the power wagon they could make it look nicer and give it more options
@@nolenpelaj3229 68K for the one they have here. But you could get a Tremor for about 62k MSRP for a Lariat Ultimate 7.3L gas engine. 66K if you add the Lariat Sport package as well, making it very well optioned. Just taking off the diesel engines in the GMC and Ford will more or less make the prices equal. Kinda silly to penalize the two that offer a diesel for price (when including the diesel engine) against the one brand that won't even offer it. So basically these can all be the same price when configured as a gasser. Of course these trucks are silly anyways. I just don't see why one would want an "off road" truck in a 3/4 ton. Just get a jeep project and use the HD truck to tow it. At best I guess with an offroad trailer maybe you can overland the entire rig to some places.. assuming those places have a space acre of land to turn the setup around.
I have an old ford, look around, company's such as centurylink, amazon, ups and fedex use ford vehicles or engines, gmc/chevy vehicles are used as transportation for high class people and dodge is for the guys racing down the street in their 07 hemi/cummins
I agree! Later this year when they can option out the tremor like that it will make a sweet video! I kinda like the extra height and 35s on the tremor with that 7.3!
Side note guys: Power wagon only needs regular fuel (much cheaper than diesel) and no blue fluid. Go cost per mile fuel, and total with included oil change and maintenance cost . let alone the Diesel upcharge. 2020 Loaded Power Wagon Owner here.
Exactly. And I am surprised that all three of these guys agreed that it was the other way around. A bigger tire going one revolution will send you further and faster. It's not rocket science. As far as why the real world did not match up with the specs in the race, I suspect one or more of the vehicles was not actually in the lowest gear. Also the published final drive crawl gear may have the ** next to it where the fine print will say with standard tires, or something like that, which is usually not what is tested on these channels, and which as you said, will make a huge difference. I was not surprised that Ford Won the race to the slowest here since it doesn't need to fib much or ** much. It has an excellent ratio on it's offroad vehicles. In the new Bronco it is like 99.5 to 1 on the crawler gear (manual Xmission) with the 4.71 differentials. I believe the auto with the 10 speed also has a lower ratio over say, a Jeep. Databyter
@@Databyter the wrangler manual has a 100:1 crawl ratio. and, the zf 8 speed and the ford 10 speed autos have similar first gear ratios, so no, it isn't better.
@@davidarmenphoto Yea it is, until literally like right now. If you have an older jeep it doesn't have this ratio, not even close. It (The 4:88) is being offered as an option on NEW Rubicons as a direct response to the Bronco. And I wouldn't say it was better. Id say it is about the same. Not much difference between 98 to 1 and 100 to 1 in real life. But yea, you make a good point. I was just trying to make an example, but you are correct. I should have said it's better than 99.9% of the Jeeps on the road. The good news is that I believe if you have deep pockets you can buy these new diffs and fit them to your older Jeeps. I doubt it is worth it in most cases especially if you would have to have somebody else install them. That is some money parts and labor. Databyter
I had a power wagon for a rental truck. I was not easy on it, I got single digit mph I believe, but then again I actually used it off-road. The tires lost a substantial amount of life. I was in 1-2 feet of snow in a cornfield doing donuts at sometime past midnight. It was fun.
@@antonlagervall1 no the GMC and the Ford have 10 speeds with a drastically low first gear ratio. The Ford beat the GMC on rear end gears.(3.55's vs 3.42's) and possibly idle speed.
That crawl test at the end probably also had something to do with the weight of the trucks. The Power Wagon is decidedly lighter (no diesel) than the others and more capable off road mobility and handling. Other Ram’s are designed for towing and payload 😎💪🏻 All 3 trucks are gorgeous though 🤩 Very hard decision
F-150 Tremor tows more than the Ram 2500 power wagon lol! I’d take the F150 tremor any day, better turning radius, cheaper on fuel, weighs less, fit on small trials.
@BC It's because the F150 Tremor is on leaf springs that helps with towing compared to the softer coil springs that the PW has. The 21 Raptor also has soft coils in the rear too. Also the PW rear coils are softer than the coils that are on the Ram 2500 Cummins and Hemis that are primarily meant for towing.
9:10 says it has two things that help him over the rest. Sway bar disconnect and winch, but the biggest thing is the front locking differential. All of the trucks have a disconnecting sway bar, just need a wrench cause they’re not auto.
To bad about the jerky computer confused Tremor 4WD system and the GM G80 taking time to lock while the other tires digging holes. I like the Power Wagon's 4WD system better but I'm not a Dodge fan.
@@practicalguy973 The G80 is terrible off road. It allows loss of torque at the axle temporarily which means loss of momentum in many situations, as you said one tire begins to dig in, and the other tire is now locked to an object that has stored up energy (spinning wheel) which can often break the wheel with greater traction lose on limited traction surfaces like snow. I had a z71 for years and the G80 was a craptastic solution. It works well in higher traction situations with tough surfaces, but an e-locker is far more versatile.
@@KTMcaptain I couldn't agree more! I dislike that G80 a lot. I'm old school. Prefer locking hubs and diffs and breaking things when the drive train gets overloaded. E-locker is good solution. The last thing I want is any tire to stop and the truck to loose momentum. That is the worst feeling when your in a real low traction situation and your still moving slowly and then these new trucks with computer or G80 stop to engage! NO.
@@logankeim579 It does look good, but having a shorter wheelbase and shorter overall length would be nice from an off-road standpoint, as well as having the package available on slightly less expensive cab and bed configurations.
All 3 these trucks need to revisit this challenge in the spring when Moab is dry, and take them to the Golden crack, Hell's Gate, anything besides fins n things.
Thanks for the video. Have had my wagon for a little bit now and love it. Had a GMC before, the cost of lifting and adding all the goodies I wanted. Would have cost more but when the power wagon comes stock with most of them. It was a no brainer to me. And the other thing, fuel mileage...... you're driving a truck. Thanks for sharing guys
Mine would be ram always I was raised in a Dodge and ram ram Cummins all over powerstroke. All that is said it is my opinion I don't want to get in a fight. Also hemi always for gas.
jim nielsen the Ram has front and rear lockers with sway at disconnects..... people get their feelings hurt in jeeps all the time because PowerWagons show them up all the time. If you pick a really technical slow course the Ram is king
Lets see the Power Wagon vs the Jeep Rubicon Gladiator vs the Colorado ZR2 to see how the different size trucks with front and rear lockers compare, make it happen Steven!
Pretty sure engine idle speed would also play a roll in your crawl test, just noticed an article by car and driver mentioning the idle speed increases on the power wagon from 650 to 750 when in 4 low
Use a simple pendulum next time, It would be way more accurate and more mathematically accurate leaving human error more minimized. Thanks for the video!! TFL is awesome!
A pendulum won't work, because they are on an inclined surface. It would actually point to well behind the tires center line. But the bigger issue is them driving to get a tire off the ground. An RTI is only valid if all four tires are on the ground.
Fun video guys! (I’m late to this one lol) A few mistakes I’ve noticed but you guys are not avid off roaders so no harm no foul Just an FYI for the future, the smaller the diameter of the tire the better/slower it will be in the crawl race. A larger diameter tire will cover more distance in one rotation So it’s even more surprising that the Ram lost having the best tire advantage by being the smallest And the Ford having the largest diameter tire still won, go Ford! There are so many variables in that kind of test. Axle ratio Transfer car ratio Ratio of 1st gear Idle speed Tire diameter (remember, the smaller the tire the better advantage it will have) Even the amount of wear on the tires will affect the results ever so slightly And I have to say the GM and Ford impressed me with the MPG The Ram was actually pretty disappointing And I wonder if their cylinder deactivation will cause as many problems as it has in the GM gas V8s (Makes you wonder, does the tiny bit of gas saved by deactivating a few cylinders make up for the thousands of dollars that will have to be spent down the line fixing the problems the cylinder deactivation causes...might make for an interesting video looking into that) And FCA really says the 6.7 Cummins won’t fit??? They are aware that is the same exact engine bay that they put the 6.7 in right? 🤣 Sounds like they sent you to the janitor to answer the questions about why they don’t use the Cummins in the Power Wagon lol But that Cummins is one heavy ass engine so it might take away much of capability of the Power Wagon package And hopefully the sway bar disconnect not working isn’t a sign of the quality of the truck :/ (Btw if you do get it working and use that feature on it or in the future definitely include showing footage or reconnecting it) Anyways, that was a long comment and my apologies Great video overall and have a great day guys! Oh and if I had to pick one I’d take the Ford
the thing is the ford had a diesel engine while the ram had the gas engine, usually the ram 2500 cummins diesel gets about 17 MPG, yes its still lower than the ford but better than the gas engine used in this video
Andre, those RTI scores are really inaccurate. Please get a proper "square" that can run the entire distance, instead of that 3 inch thing, your hand is moving all over the place and that will change the measurement by several inches one way or the other.
@@powerwagon3731 A contractor grade framing square is all you need. Plumb line or level is still more guessing or just takes longer. www.amazon.com/Stanley-45-011-Contractor-Aluminum-Rafter/dp/B00002X2HF
I challenge TFL to put that Tremor against my PowerWagon. Throw some 37 inch Milestar Patagonias on your Tremor and tell me where we can meet to do a head to head trail challenge. With that said, great video guys!! And THANKS for the hat the other day! There is a couple things a little off with the Power Wagon test, 1) Sway bar disconnect failure could've been dealt with by giving the truck a gentle rocking side to side. A 3 mph roll and using a little left to right action on the steering wheel will do, or just drive it over anything uneven, it will go. If the bar has any load, it won't disengage until pressure is neutralized. No issue when you understand that simple trick. It took me a while to figure that one out, LOL. Yes, as Andre said, the PowerWagon RTI would've been even better had the bar been disengaged. 2) The crawl speed test was, really, bunk because the Power Wagon is the ONLY vehicle there that is 'programmed and designed' to raise the engine rpm idle speed while in 4 low, and consequently the speed test would've been more accurate had all 3 trucks been in high range. This 'rpm increase' feature is actually a huge benefit for climbing and makes crawling "up" and then over larger rocks to be smoother without the erratic herky jerkyness and belly damage that heavier diesel trucks tend to have as they spool up turbo power and then end up bouncing harder over rocks. Obviously in 4 low with no brake application and increased rpms, the Wagon will go faster than the other trucks on the flat, but up a steep hill you'd find that the Wagon will feel more planted and controlled, making it a better OFFROADER. I have always liked the fact that my Power Wagon increases its rpms in 4 low, and also while running the winch, and while jump starting other vehicles. It shouldn't be shown as a disqualification as the video suggests. With brake pedal application, it makes navigating over larger rocks and ditches a dream. For an example of this, it was illustrated by Steven in the TFL "GM vs RAM" video that you published 2 months ago at about 8 minutes and 40 seconds in to the video where Steven locked the Power Wagon axles and crawled out of the ditch with NO throttle and he then chuckled that it was so easy. More reasons why, to me, the Power Wagon is a 'more capable' OFFROADER, and remains supreme. Just please get RID of those 33 inch tires! LOL But again, as always, GREAT video guys!!! Always love your mashups, reviews, content and info! The smart alek in me says, for a real test on that GMC, go stick it under some guys fifth wheel camper (cuz it's good for that) and then go put some 37s on the Tremor and go climb heart attack hill over at Kelly Flats up West of Ft Collins in rd 14 against my 2016 Power Wagon with 37 inch Patagonias and almost 90000 miles on it. Just say when, and I'd LOVE to meet u there or anywhere. I don't have an 8 speed nor do I have so deep a crawl ratio as the newer PowerWagon in your video, but i bet a hundred bucks that my old truck would do Heart Attack easier than that Tremor would. I forgot to say, u better put sliders on that Ford or it WILL likely get rocker panel damage. Lol, I destroyed my nerfies there. You know ALL them Ford guys would like to see me get wiped by that Tremor! Eh? Eh? Eh, any Tremor takers??? Come on TFL 👀
@@mattgonzalez6123 yes I'm aware. I have a 2019 Trail Boss. With the 18" wheels and Duratracs. Another odd thing is the 18 option is 275/65/18 or 32". The 20" gets 275/60/20 which is 33" . Why they did this I'll never understand. If you park 2 trail boss trucks next to each other, the 20/33" set up looks much taller.
The fuel economy test is a no brainer. Dodge has never really been that good on gas. And plus when you have two turbo charge diesel engines in the mountains with turbos that make them more efficient they’re going to get better gas mileage.
power wagon for off road towing. Power wagon to the Rescue. I started charging for gas money. hooking them on the wire. your slow race was rigged. the power wagon has a different gas pedal mapping. raising the rpm. great video. luv driving in fresh snow.
Amazing video guys, just great! Keep doing that great work!
Really??
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Dodge sucks lol
@@aidenarkham
Sways the chevy owner 😂😂😂
The problem with all three trucks is they're way too expensive! Crazy!
U broke
@@sothickitssickk yes! Wanna lend me 80 thousand? I want the tremor
Paul Condie the power wagon is 64k that’s not a lot for the package
@@austinlheureux4349 prefer the tremor. 64 thousand is more than i paid for my first home! Lol
Those are just the as tested prices. You can get a RAM 2500 Tradesman with the Power Wagon package for closer to $50k if you're willing to do without some interior amenities. Since you want a Tremor though I suggest you take out a second or third mortgage on your house.
Never been a ford guy and I own a ram but that tremor package is pretty dang sweet...
Never been a fan of big torque down low? Just guna stick to the gaz guzzling v8 rams that have to wind up to 4600 RPM to feel any power/torque :D jajajaj u missing out these new ecoboost are fun as hell making make power down low rpm means everyday driving u feel the ford powaaa with the ram u would have to blow a head gasket flooring it all the time to have fun with it
Ya maybe sweet but take the powerjoke out and put in a cummins
The first man to comment is really using ford diesels compared to a hemi, put the Cummins vs the power stroke, Cummins will win any day.
@@Boblovesminecraft02 First guy was talking about the 3.5 Ecoboost that goes toe to toe with the 5.7 Dodge.
@@lolz616 You're comparing a gasoline engine to a diesel engine. Sure they're both 4 strokes but that's like comparing Joe Montana (super human quarterback extrordinare) to Muhammad Ali (quite possibly the best boxer to ever live). Sure, both of them are humans, both excellent athletes but excellent in totally different sports.
You should do this test in a fwd mini van. Cause that's how serious those "obstacles" were...
well thats probably because none of these trucks are intended to be proper off roaders. The ford especially since the tremor pack is a road pack.
@@newman8r45 So, in your opinion, this video pushed these trucks to their limits? The intent behind my post was simply to state the obstacles here aren't tough for a Kia Spectra, let alone a $60k+ truck marketed as off road capable.
@@Frindleeguy obviously not, but to be fair the majority of the market these trucks fit arent people looking for a qualified off roader.
Im confident the reason why they didnt push the trucks however is because they dont own them, and a heavy truck like these are likely to break from doing any real off-road test.
@@newman8r45 My diesel dually hits trails harder than this weekly. Most everyone with a toy hauler has towed 15-20k+ lbs on trails much rougher than this. What are you even talking about?
@@Frindleeguy "im a smoker whos 90 years old so obviously smoking isnt bad for your health"
Your anecdotal situation doesnt disprove how 3/4 or 1 ton vehicles with the express design of towing domestic loads are not intended for off road abuse.
Picked up my 2022 F250 Tremor diesel in August. Bad Ass. It’s been off-roading, towing, in the snow, in the mud, performing flawlessly. Never been so happy with a truck.
I just git exactly the same truck.❤ Hope to get it muddy soon😂
That off roading yall did was like my kids playing in a mud puddle
They took it easy because they are all new trucks that are very expensive
Brennan L no the Ford and GMC are over priced and the ram was going tô win but did not whant tô make it unfare
Bruh you literally rip around on a banshee
@@anthonylugo5244 who
@@brennanl4991 why bother then
Ford Tremor has 35 inch tires and the most power out of all 3 and still got 19.2 mpg! #1
only one that got good mpg with solid axles lol not much point comparing them when its the clear winner
@@Tanner731 Definetly
One is an offroad legend with proper running gear, the other two are regular trucks with bigger tires, rear lockers, and fancy looks. I'm sure the other two are nice trucks and all, BUT THE POWERWAGON DON'T CARE!.
@@WilliamStewart1 my gas tank cares tho
@@Tanner731 bro powerwagon has solid axles too lmao
That wasn’t a test. Come on boys 4wheel those bad boys
EXACTLY...
they can only do some much when they are rentals
They aren’t rock crawlers
That's what I was thinking. The dirt road to my house is more extreme than any of this.
$75+k trucks? Nope.
Tire plug kit! Easiest fix ever! I just taught my daughter just the other day how to plug a tire
When I married my Wife she didn't know how to check the oil or read how much gas in the SUV. LOL!!
Yep and virtually free to fix. The tire shops try to say u have to patch it but ive plugged 50 + tires without a single problem for 100s of 1000 miles
You guys are great, thanks for this video! I currently drive an old 2003 F250 V -
10. That tremor is looking pretty sweet...but 78k 😱
You'd love the advancements in features/tech + better MPGs in new F150. Trust me on that. All i buy is F150s. Owned last 3 Gens. Phenomenal trucks that are still benchmark of the class. Ordered a '23 F150 XLT Tremor cream cab w/5.0L Coyote V8. Will drive it 10-12yrs or more.
Order to spec mine was $57k before any rebates!
Stick with the old 250.👍
rest of the world: when does the off-road start?
no shit this is weaker than taking the kids to school here in AUS
A comparison of the 3 most badass off road trucks in the land, no reason why this video shouldn't get a million views! Great work TFL!
Most badass HD trucks in the land you mean.
I concur with this sentiment. Get this man a cookie !!!!
@@MrSupersaiyangoku 3 cookies lol
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Except there is nothing HD about the Ram specs. Great at offroading - but frankly doesn't match up towing-wise to most 1/2 tons on the market. IMO, that's what makes and HD an HD - and it just doesn't have the goods!
@@JS-um4vr
The only reason for that is the suspension. Airlifter bags and Daystar cradles resolve that. The Power Wagon is the most offroad capable, and about 600 bucks in aftermarket parts brings up its only ailment.
I like how they call the first test off-roading. That’s just a normal parking lot in Wisconsin. 😂
IKR weak as piss
They are all idiots. TFL needs to update their casting crew
@@maxboya yeah was shithouse, sure don't trash them but seriously they didn't even try it was the lamest thing I have ever seen
@@maxboya jjj ju u
That's what I was thinking.....that's my daily drive to work... In a 2012 E250 cargo van.. no 4x4...
The nail appears to have a philips screw head pattern....
One of them phillips head nails. You have to drive them in with a phillips head hammer.
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means you have to use philips nail puller
It's the new Phillip's Tire Nail. You can get them in Colorado, especially made for Andre Popov.
@@gen-x-zeke8446
Correct, I live in Colorado and all of our houses are made with phillips head nails. That way the hooligans can't steal our doors and sell them for weed money.
I’m a Ford guy through and through. My 17 F250 is an amazing truck. I love the new gmc at4 exterior, slap the Ram interior with the at4 exterior and the Ford powertrain and that’s my perfect build.
I couldn’t agree mkre
I love how Andre uses a speed square so as to not appear to be eyeballing it lol
Just made a comment about that. Very easy to be an inch or 2 off and multiplying by 1000,that's a lot. Framers square....🤦♂️
Excellent review Guys. I really appreciate the different view points and information and the amount of time and work that it takes to get these videos to us. Is it possible to do another test with the Ford 7.3 and GMC gas . I believe the lighter weight of the gas motors would make both the Ford and GMC compete a little better off road. This way we could also see the fuel economy in comparison. Keep up the great work
I wish, fact is they get what they get from the manufacturer and say thank you. Kinds crazy as the gas model is going to lighter and perform much better off road. You would think the manufacturer would do everything they could to help but...
not really with the Ford. They wanted it to do off road but also haul your camper....its a balance between both worlds. I can appreciate that. Out where we are it does matter. Its nice to have a good 4x4 that can actually do work in sticky situations. I dont know anyone who buys trucks who actually gets a Power Wagon unless its a kid., (FWIW, I do have a PW.....of course mine is a 1968 W200 with a slant six)
I want to see a towing review with the dodge hd duramax and ford f250 all deleted
Legend says, that sway bar still tries to disconnect....
mar7739 legend says, still waiting on that G80
I believe you are supposed to be stationary when disconnecting the sway bar and he clearly was moving when trying to disconnect it. He was stationary on the first test and had no problems.
@@twadney I don't know, maybe, my post was humorous. However previous Wranglers (JK Rubicons) had big problems with that sway bars.
And on very still nights in Snowab, if you listen carefully as the cold wind blows, you can still hear that very same sway bar - still trying to disconnect! I want my articulation...
@@mar7739 I have a 19 Power Wagon, you can't be moving when you want to disengage it.
In order to disconnect the sway bar you need to rock the truck from side to side not forward to back, the mechanism is bound up from the weight of the truck and the actuator that pushes the plunger to disengage the sway bar is spring loaded so it will pop out as soon as pressure is relieved.
I bought a 19 F250 and I love it! Such an awesome truck. I raced a camero one day and I took it for about 100 Yards till it finally passed me. These F250’s are spunky and powerful.
👎🏽
I've torn up a number of mustangs in my silverado. That's bc trucks have low end
It would be nice to have a host of real off road options to select from the dealer to be installed and under factory warranty.
I understand that the weather limited what you could do but calling that an "Ultimate Off-Road Test" is just a tad disingenuous...
thanks for mentioning the ground clearance caveat with the power wagon. kinda bugs me they are even still marketing this "body clearance" number.
All are great, Ford Tremor just has the extra wow factor and extra polish with that magical powertrain
Tremor gets my vote for best truck for my purposes. I had a 1977 K5 383 stoker for years but it shook my teeth out on the trail far more than what any of these guys experienced.
until you try to work that tremor and the 10 speed explodes
@@Barefoot-Bob parroting your mom's bedtime stories?
@@sly9263 ya we had a fleet of them in line const . high failure rate , but ya you read something on the internet or your a straight up fan boy so I'm sure you know more than a person who lives it.
@@Barefoot-Bob lmfao I have visibility to 60% of govt fleets in the country and can see data on all PMs and service. Youre talking nonsense
@@sly9263 lol a bureaucrat! and everyone wonders why this country is going to shit. So now you propose to tell me what i see and dealt with. and the best part is "govt fleets". you truly have me laughing ! let me explain I'm talking about trucks that have to do REAL work . I understand that is a foreign concept for you .
All 3 have positives and negatives...having said that, I just bought a 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 and will take delivery in the coming week...
should'a spent more and got the Tremor!
Any issues so far?
It all comes down to what you are going to use the truck for. I bought my 2019 power wagon knowing that it was going to be used for fun and not work and I love it. And as far as fuel economy and towing, I can get 17.5 mpg hwy and tow my 32ft travel trailer averaging 12 mpg with out any problems.
It's good to see you guys doing this in the snow, makes it more challenging . ( Good Video)
In other words, we want to keep getting trucks from these three manufacturers, so they all win!!!!!!!!
I have the 2022 PowerWagon 75th anniversary and that disconnecting swaybar is a game changer. 37's from certain offroad tire manufacturers will work fine with factory suspension. Not all 37's are the same outside diameter. I replaced teh suspension with the Carli/King Pintop system and radius arms and with locking front and rear diff, it's untouchable.
This is the ideal hd off-road truck whilst keeping it a good on road vehicle.
"lowest crawl ratio, this isn't how this works" as his idle is 4-600rpms higher
Had a chuckle at them thinking it was due to tire size. A bigger tire increase crawl speed. It doesn’t lower it
That particular Tremor package looks REALLY good
Mark Jones so refreshing compared to all the old man chrome Ford has been putting out
It *SHAKES* all over the road horrid front end and the worst truck all marketing hype!
I 100% agree, i cannot believe a oem truck has 1k plus tq factory
@@mt1885 you drive one?
75 PSI in the rear tires on the Ford?? Seems a bit excessive for off-road driving...
Itd be better to lower it but i think they where just going on factory settings.
Issue with duratracs...they don't last long at all on a super duty
So... I'm impressed with all of the mileage numbers. All 3 exceeded my expectations. That's awesome.
Yea, good gas mileage for big honking trucks. One thing everyone needs to keep in mind before they pick on the ram for fuel mileage is that the diesels make up for the low cost at the pump when it comes repair time. The cost of maintenance and repair on a diesel drivetrain is awful compared to a regular gas engine. I like a gas engine truck for the practicality.
@@appalachianpatriot183 no argument there. Diesel fuel would have to be 1/2 the price of gas to make it even… so it seems.
At this point , its all personal preference. All 3 will do the same thing and more than the normal driver will ever buy it for. Great video..
Wtf is this? No child left behind? So everyone gets a Participation Trophy🏆.
Awesome video! Like I said previously, you guys are THE authority when it comes to ANYTHING pickup truck!
That being said, all these trucks are impressive. I was impressed with the Power Wagon's fuel economy, the GM's RTI with IFS, and Ford's overall package.
What a time to be an offroad pickup fan!
You guys need to realize that the larger Tire actually is a disadvantage when figuring crawl ratios. For every rotation of the tire you travel further. Andre needs to do a little research
Exactly what I was thinking ! I can't believe none of these guys thought about that... A smaller tire would actually act as a reduction ratio factor, not the opposite like they're saying ! What about idle engine RPM, that makes a huge difference as well !
What did you expect from these guys lol
It is all about where your torque converter starts to engage. Not a shock that it hits at lower rpm in a diesel.
@@10dannyp89 good explanation, thanks for bringing that up !
@@10dannyp89
To an extent, yes, but a torque converter doesn't ever actually disengage. The stall speed is the point of maximum torque transfer, but as long as the impeller is spinning, the turbine will be under load and trying to spin. The gas engine, with its higher idle, would actually put the most power through the converter at idle.
Interested to have the fuel cost calculated when doing the MPG test comparing Gas vs Diesel. Cost at the pump is probably more important to actual comsumers.
What a cop-out, don't give a trophy to all three for participating! We spend nearly 40 minutes watching and that's the answer we get
I would like to point out that larger tires do not crawl slower, especially if the other trucks have a taller final gear ratio. If the power wagon isn't locked into 1st gear it will automatically switch into 2nd just like the wrangler does. And another thing to take into consideration, diesel engines idle slower than gasoline, and not all transmissions are going to lock into gear while at low idle speeds. If the torque converter isn't locked in that will make the vehicle crawl slower because there is less power being transferred into the driveline.
Bingo!
Damn those phillips head nails....
Lol
its a robertson head
You guys have the crawl ratio to tire size backwards.
Blake I bet the gas engine idles higher than the diesels.
@@jrhunt414 at red lights on inclines I never have to use my brake, in my '16 Power Wagon , never rolls backward. mostly never ;) people in back of me must shit themselves, but Power Wagon don't care
@@jrhunt414 I 100% agree the idle speed was the deciding factor, but to be fair the test should have been run on flat smooth ground to eliminate all variables.
The computer in the Power Wagon increases the idle speed when in low range to help maintain smoother forward speed when rock crawling. I find it irritating. The diesels probably idle at least 20% lower (of course they won't spin up to 6k rpm either)
Torque=Force x Radius so Force=Torque/Radius. Bigger tire means bigger radius, torque is held constant, so less force applied.
I put my truck through tougher situations than that, just going to work each morning! Lol
The only in class and the king off road worthy Ram Power Wagon. 👊💪💪
@@tiff3253 What are you doing here?
When did they start making nails with philips heads?...
Would it be any less flat if he had said screw?
Krane, yes it would make a difference ... wow dude, I was being sarcastic. Who really cares if he said thumb tac?!
@@krane15 No, but it would've went flatter quicker.
That made me laugh
Power wagon needs to get 35in tires from the factory. Even if they need to add another inch of lift
35s fit easily with no lift. 37s fit with no lift and different wheels or trimming. 39s will even fit with wheels and more trimming.
most guys switch those 33's out right away, now I want 37"s
wirebrush still need to be that way from the factory tho
@@toofastnobrakes roll stability is why they are so small they have to pass the elk test now days
So ur gas goes to 10mpg vs 12?
Honestly this is one of my favorite videos you all have done so far. Really great comparisons between the HDs. Love it when the manufacturers give what you ask for at the right time!
I wish GM and Ford still had a manual 4x4 shifter like the dodge does.
You can get that as an interior option. Also manual locking hubs it still a thing for ford as well
Agreed. 4 on the floor just feels right
I love ram trucks
I have a power wagon myself. The power wagon is the only one that still has the mechanical linkage for the transfer case. The other rams may have the level but it's still electric shift
The st have floor shift manual
AAA has the F250 as the most reliable vehicle - not just truck - in the USA for the 8th straight year. It can't be beat. The 2021 models have some crazy upgrades too! No other major truck has self parking either (Platinum only atm)
Always been a Ford guy for obvious reasons..they are usually the best overall trucks & most dependable. We will stick w/our F150 Tremor & new Ranger FX4. No reason to change! Maybe an F250 in future. Keep it "All American" trucks!
The new 7.3l is getting a ton of attention lol
All 3 are nice trucks. I think the Tremor will out sell the other 2.
Ram has looks but the tremor does too with more power options
@@jamesanderson562 If the Ram was color matched I'd agree. The plain plastic grille on the power wagon/Rebel looks super cheap to me.
Diesel Life no hate but the tremors 80k powerwagons 64k so if they were to drop another 16k in the power wagon they could make it look nicer and give it more options
@@nolenpelaj3229 68K for the one they have here. But you could get a Tremor for about 62k MSRP for a Lariat Ultimate 7.3L gas engine. 66K if you add the Lariat Sport package as well, making it very well optioned. Just taking off the diesel engines in the GMC and Ford will more or less make the prices equal. Kinda silly to penalize the two that offer a diesel for price (when including the diesel engine) against the one brand that won't even offer it. So basically these can all be the same price when configured as a gasser.
Of course these trucks are silly anyways. I just don't see why one would want an "off road" truck in a 3/4 ton. Just get a jeep project and use the HD truck to tow it. At best I guess with an offroad trailer maybe you can overland the entire rig to some places.. assuming those places have a space acre of land to turn the setup around.
I think gm will sell out, just because. Though if we're talking ALL versions of the f250 then yeah the Ford will win
DODGE=have some fun
GMC=luxury, precision beauty
FORD=hard working, reliable power
Which one do you have
wtf are you saying these type of comments are so cringy
I have an old ford, look around, company's such as centurylink, amazon, ups and fedex use ford vehicles or engines, gmc/chevy vehicles are used as transportation for high class people and dodge is for the guys racing down the street in their 07 hemi/cummins
@This username there truck line up, xl and xlt have plastic interior
@@megaxboxx ok
“POWER WAGON DONT CARE” - Nathan
I Miss Nathan
You should really have helmets on for that EXTREME off-roading. Haha
I have seen the GMC HD AT4 in person and it looks like a tank. it's amazing.
I want to see the gas Tremor with the optional winch vs the Power Wagon!!! Then we can talk head to head
Vincent Orona How so, the Power Wagon was clearly the better off road machine.
I agree! Later this year when they can option out the tremor like that it will make a sweet video! I kinda like the extra height and 35s on the tremor with that 7.3!
GT500 I did, you need watch again without bias. The Power Wagon performed all off road functions with more ease than the others.
I’m the end the Powerwagon has the pure off road suspension and front locker & axle disconnect when it’s working lol
Leonard Russo First time I have ever seen one not work. Didn’t need it anyway to beat the Ford and Chevy.
Awesome video guys! I really appreciate the time you put in to these reviews! You have stepped up the game and are setting the bar in my opinion.
im supposed to be getting my daughter ready for iceskating, but im getting yelled at cause im watching TFL.
APGJuggernaut it’s just skating , the ice is implied
Unless your going asphalt skating...in that case good luck 😂
@@chrisnewby5713 Or roller skating. Honestly im just used to saying ice skating
I admire your priorities, sir.
Watch out for that craaaazy 4” step guys!!! Wheeew luckily that beefed up off road suspension handled it like a pro. 👌🏻
Side note guys: Power wagon only needs regular fuel (much cheaper than diesel) and no blue fluid. Go cost per mile fuel, and total with included oil change and maintenance cost . let alone the Diesel upcharge. 2020 Loaded Power Wagon Owner here.
You should really have helmets on for that EXTREME off-roading. Haha
And full driving suits
For these trucks, this is extreme off roading lmao.
It wasn't even rough idiot lmao
@@kdmtrap7268 you're not much for sarcasm are you? Lmao
You can literally do mostly all of that shit in a Kia, how embarrassing
What a job! Drive them like you stole them then turn them in and get another. Jealous
The smaller tire would actually be an advantage in a the slow drag race. It essentially lowers your final drive ratio.
Well technically it raises it (the final drive ratio value increases)
Exactly. And I am surprised that all three of these guys agreed that it was the other way around. A bigger tire going one revolution will send you further and faster. It's not rocket science. As far as why the real world did not match up with the specs in the race, I suspect one or more of the vehicles was not actually in the lowest gear. Also the published final drive crawl gear may have the ** next to it where the fine print will say with standard tires, or something like that, which is usually not what is tested on these channels, and which as you said, will make a huge difference. I was not surprised that Ford Won the race to the slowest here since it doesn't need to fib much or ** much. It has an excellent ratio on it's offroad vehicles. In the new Bronco it is like 99.5 to 1 on the crawler gear (manual Xmission) with the 4.71 differentials. I believe the auto with the 10 speed also has a lower ratio over say, a Jeep. Databyter
@@Databyter the wrangler manual has a 100:1 crawl ratio. and, the zf 8 speed and the ford 10 speed autos have similar first gear ratios, so no, it isn't better.
@@davidarmenphoto Yea it is, until literally like right now. If you have an older jeep it doesn't have this ratio, not even close. It (The 4:88) is being offered as an option on NEW Rubicons as a direct response to the Bronco. And I wouldn't say it was better. Id say it is about the same. Not much difference between 98 to 1 and 100 to 1 in real life. But yea, you make a good point. I was just trying to make an example, but you are correct. I should have said it's better than 99.9% of the Jeeps on the road. The good news is that I believe if you have deep pockets you can buy these new diffs and fit them to your older Jeeps. I doubt it is worth it in most cases especially if you would have to have somebody else install them. That is some money parts and labor.
Databyter
was looking for other people pointing this out smaller tires should be slower
I had a power wagon for a rental truck. I was not easy on it, I got single digit mph I believe, but then again I actually used it off-road. The tires lost a substantial amount of life. I was in 1-2 feet of snow in a cornfield doing donuts at sometime past midnight. It was fun.
These guy must think a paved boat ramp is extreme off-roading.
I owned three power wagons and used them for work in the oilfield, these guys have no idea what the power wagon will actually do!
My favorite truck, but the sucky payload prevents me from buying...
That intro was awesome! You guys aren’t messing around! The best quality cinematography and content!
Larger tires make you faster because it moves you farther for each revolution. The Tremor won because of the low RPM at idle.
yes but it it also create more roling resistence and thats whay i think it was slower.
@@antonlagervall1 what??? lmao
@@843OutdoorsSC thats the difference between the other was the gas idle vs. diesel idle
@@antonlagervall1 no the GMC and the Ford have 10 speeds with a drastically low first gear ratio. The Ford beat the GMC on rear end gears.(3.55's vs 3.42's) and possibly idle speed.
Thank you, this aggravated me more than it should have that they got this wrong lol.
"I set it at 2 miles per hour...so everyone can see me" I see you Andre lol nice reference!
That crawl test at the end probably also had something to do with the weight of the trucks. The Power Wagon is decidedly lighter (no diesel) than the others and more capable off road mobility and handling. Other Ram’s are designed for towing and payload 😎💪🏻 All 3 trucks are gorgeous though 🤩 Very hard decision
F-150 Tremor tows more than the Ram 2500 power wagon lol! I’d take the F150 tremor any day, better turning radius, cheaper on fuel, weighs less, fit on small trials.
@BC It's because the F150 Tremor is on leaf springs that helps with towing compared to the softer coil springs that the PW has. The 21 Raptor also has soft coils in the rear too.
Also the PW rear coils are softer than the coils that are on the Ram 2500 Cummins and Hemis that are primarily meant for towing.
@BC The F150 Tremor is still a bad ass truck too
One of your best videos yet!! Thank you for bringing us this comparison!! Bang on as I consider my next truck purchase!!
I think the tremor looks the best even though I'm not a huge ford fan I'd get one if I could afford it
Personally I am a ford guy and it does look the best.
The new Chevys body too tall, looks dumb. And I've always thought dodge trucks look like a fat pig
9:10 says it has two things that help him over the rest. Sway bar disconnect and winch, but the biggest thing is the front locking differential.
All of the trucks have a disconnecting sway bar, just need a wrench cause they’re not auto.
To bad about the jerky computer confused Tremor 4WD system and the GM G80 taking time to lock while the other tires digging holes. I like the Power Wagon's 4WD system better but I'm not a Dodge fan.
@@practicalguy973 The G80 is terrible off road. It allows loss of torque at the axle temporarily which means loss of momentum in many situations, as you said one tire begins to dig in, and the other tire is now locked to an object that has stored up energy (spinning wheel) which can often break the wheel with greater traction lose on limited traction surfaces like snow.
I had a z71 for years and the G80 was a craptastic solution. It works well in higher traction situations with tough surfaces, but an e-locker is far more versatile.
@@KTMcaptain I couldn't agree more! I dislike that G80 a lot. I'm old school. Prefer locking hubs and diffs and breaking things when the drive train gets overloaded. E-locker is good solution. The last thing I want is any tire to stop and the truck to loose momentum. That is the worst feeling when your in a real low traction situation and your still moving slowly and then these new trucks with computer or G80 stop to engage! NO.
THAT FORD 😍😍😍😍 HOT DAMN THATS A NICE TRUCK
it's fantastic! i love mine
All 3 trucks look and perform very well, I'd personally go with the Tremor, that front end looks really good without the horrible chrome trim.
the chrome is my favorite part
"and there is snow up there." points up to a bare mountain.
The Tremor package needs to be available in extended or even regular cabs. Kinda strange Ford doesnt offer those configurations.
Yea but you can't lie It looks sexy with that configuration
@@logankeim579 It does look good, but having a shorter wheelbase and shorter overall length would be nice from an off-road standpoint, as well as having the package available on slightly less expensive cab and bed configurations.
Alan Bowers I hope they add it to the F-150 this year
I think they wanted to see how popular the package was before they roll it out to other configs
@@thehunter9149 I liked the old Tremor package they had (street based). But an FX4+ type Tremor package would be cool to see as well.
Tfl you guys are on it this Saturday nice review
All 3 these trucks need to revisit this challenge in the spring when Moab is dry, and take them to the Golden crack, Hell's Gate, anything besides fins n things.
Listening to coheed and cambria in the Ram. Hell yeah. My favorite album by them too.
Thanks for the video. Have had my wagon for a little bit now and love it. Had a GMC before, the cost of lifting and adding all the goodies I wanted. Would have cost more but when the power wagon comes stock with most of them. It was a no brainer to me. And the other thing, fuel mileage...... you're driving a truck. Thanks for sharing guys
The Powerwagon has a front locker. It's in an off road capability class above the others. My choice would be a 7.3L Tremor
Mine would be ram always I was raised in a Dodge and ram ram Cummins all over powerstroke. All that is said it is my opinion I don't want to get in a fight. Also hemi always for gas.
jim nielsen the Ram has front and rear lockers with sway at disconnects..... people get their feelings hurt in jeeps all the time because PowerWagons show them up all the time. If you pick a really technical slow course the Ram is king
@@That501Basshead - that 6.4 “hemi” turd wouldn’t hold a candle to the 7.3
@@CoyoteFTW You're an ignorant one, huh?
damn that tremor look way too good best looking truck ever
Power wagon is probably in 2nd gear when u switched to low, my Durango does the same, u have to manually switch to 1st gear
Nah it will just idle higher than the diesel trucks
The most comprehensive truck review i have seen. Excellent review. Great work! Cheers!
Lets see the Power Wagon vs the Jeep Rubicon Gladiator vs the Colorado ZR2 to see how the different size trucks with front and rear lockers compare, make it happen Steven!
Throw a tacoma in there too.
@@h0ot3r you can get a front locker in teh taco?
@@KoolCordell i dont believe so but they are still a great offroad capable truck. And NJ one of the longest lasting trucks there are.
Pretty sure engine idle speed would also play a roll in your crawl test, just noticed an article by car and driver mentioning the idle speed increases on the power wagon from 650 to 750 when in 4 low
You guys should have done a cost comparison when filling up the trucks also to see how much it cost to do that trip
Around The Ground Landscaping LLC. Exactly right as diesel is significantly more expensive in Colorado.
And don't forget about DEF in diesel trucks it's part of fueling routine
TFLoffroad: "Only One Rules"
TFLoffroad at the end of the video: "jk lol they all rule"
dafaq
I would pick the Power Wagon simply because that's what I drove in the missile fields of Montana 50 years ago. Just a sentimental choice.
Use a simple pendulum next time, It would be way more accurate and more mathematically accurate leaving human error more minimized. Thanks for the video!! TFL is awesome!
A pendulum won't work, because they are on an inclined surface. It would actually point to well behind the tires center line. But the bigger issue is them driving to get a tire off the ground. An RTI is only valid if all four tires are on the ground.
Genius. 👌🏻👍🏻
@@Stuka87 no.
@@pnorton75 ok?
or a framing square since you dont want it to point straight down...dummy...
If the Power Wagon is a bit low on power, just supercharge it.
That thing is a total beast and hands down the best off roader of all 3....
Jason Brozic you said what I was thinking. Reliability?
Good thinking
@@archiecunningham3734 haha...its not a Toyota...powerwagon dont care about reliable
Fun video guys!
(I’m late to this one lol)
A few mistakes I’ve noticed but you guys are not avid off roaders so no harm no foul
Just an FYI for the future, the smaller the diameter of the tire the better/slower it will be in the crawl race.
A larger diameter tire will cover more distance in one rotation
So it’s even more surprising that the Ram lost having the best tire advantage by being the smallest
And the Ford having the largest diameter tire still won, go Ford!
There are so many variables in that kind of test.
Axle ratio
Transfer car ratio
Ratio of 1st gear
Idle speed
Tire diameter (remember, the smaller the tire the better advantage it will have)
Even the amount of wear on the tires will affect the results ever so slightly
And I have to say the GM and Ford impressed me with the MPG
The Ram was actually pretty disappointing
And I wonder if their cylinder deactivation will cause as many problems as it has in the GM gas V8s
(Makes you wonder, does the tiny bit of gas saved by deactivating a few cylinders make up for the thousands of dollars that will have to be spent down the line fixing the problems the cylinder deactivation causes...might make for an interesting video looking into that)
And FCA really says the 6.7 Cummins won’t fit???
They are aware that is the same exact engine bay that they put the 6.7 in right? 🤣 Sounds like they sent you to the janitor to answer the questions about why they don’t use the Cummins in the Power Wagon lol
But that Cummins is one heavy ass engine so it might take away much of capability of the Power Wagon package
And hopefully the sway bar disconnect not working isn’t a sign of the quality of the truck :/
(Btw if you do get it working and use that feature on it or in the future definitely include showing footage or reconnecting it)
Anyways, that was a long comment and my apologies
Great video overall and have a great day guys!
Oh and if I had to pick one I’d take the Ford
the thing is the ford had a diesel engine while the ram had the gas engine, usually the ram 2500 cummins diesel gets about 17 MPG, yes its still lower than the ford but better than the gas engine used in this video
Why do I keep watching TFLTruck? Because you guys always seem to be having fun and really enjoying what you do. More smiles per hour!!!! Thanks again!
Not really….
My fiancé and I drove through this area during this storm as well! We were headed from Pagosa Springs to Washington .
Andre, those RTI scores are really inaccurate. Please get a proper "square" that can run the entire distance, instead of that 3 inch thing, your hand is moving all over the place and that will change the measurement by several inches one way or the other.
Yeah. The tremor was at least an inch further back than his measurement
John Smith he should have had a level or plumb bob
@@powerwagon3731 A contractor grade framing square is all you need. Plumb line or level is still more guessing or just takes longer.
www.amazon.com/Stanley-45-011-Contractor-Aluminum-Rafter/dp/B00002X2HF
Yup, where's your framing square? All the effort to build the RTI ramp and then eyeballing the measurements with a small speed square....Yikes
I challenge TFL to put that Tremor against my PowerWagon. Throw some 37 inch Milestar Patagonias on your Tremor and tell me where we can meet to do a head to head trail challenge. With that said, great video guys!! And THANKS for the hat the other day!
There is a couple things a little off with the Power Wagon test,
1) Sway bar disconnect failure could've been dealt with by giving the truck a gentle rocking side to side. A 3 mph roll and using a little left to right action on the steering wheel will do, or just drive it over anything uneven, it will go. If the bar has any load, it won't disengage until pressure is neutralized. No issue when you understand that simple trick. It took me a while to figure that one out, LOL. Yes, as Andre said, the PowerWagon RTI would've been even better had the bar been disengaged.
2) The crawl speed test was, really, bunk because the Power Wagon is the ONLY vehicle there that is 'programmed and designed' to raise the engine rpm idle speed while in 4 low, and consequently the speed test would've been more accurate had all 3 trucks been in high range. This 'rpm increase' feature is actually a huge benefit for climbing and makes crawling "up" and then over larger rocks to be smoother without the erratic herky jerkyness and belly damage that heavier diesel trucks tend to have as they spool up turbo power and then end up bouncing harder over rocks. Obviously in 4 low with no brake application and increased rpms, the Wagon will go faster than the other trucks on the flat, but up a steep hill you'd find that the Wagon will feel more planted and controlled, making it a better OFFROADER. I have always liked the fact that my Power Wagon increases its rpms in 4 low, and also while running the winch, and while jump starting other vehicles. It shouldn't be shown as a disqualification as the video suggests. With brake pedal application, it makes navigating over larger rocks and ditches a dream. For an example of this, it was illustrated by Steven in the TFL "GM vs RAM" video that you published 2 months ago at about 8 minutes and 40 seconds in to the video where Steven locked the Power Wagon axles and crawled out of the ditch with NO throttle and he then chuckled that it was so easy. More reasons why, to me, the Power Wagon is a 'more capable' OFFROADER, and remains supreme. Just please get RID of those 33 inch tires! LOL
But again, as always, GREAT video guys!!! Always love your mashups, reviews, content and info! The smart alek in me says, for a real test on that GMC, go stick it under some guys fifth wheel camper (cuz it's good for that) and then go put some 37s on the Tremor and go climb heart attack hill over at Kelly Flats up West of Ft Collins in rd 14 against my 2016 Power Wagon with 37 inch Patagonias and almost 90000 miles on it. Just say when, and I'd LOVE to meet u there or anywhere. I don't have an 8 speed nor do I have so deep a crawl ratio as the newer PowerWagon in your video, but i bet a hundred bucks that my old truck would do Heart Attack easier than that Tremor would. I forgot to say, u better put sliders on that Ford or it WILL likely get rocker panel damage. Lol, I destroyed my nerfies there. You know ALL them Ford guys would like to see me get wiped by that Tremor! Eh? Eh? Eh, any Tremor takers??? Come on TFL 👀
I'll agree GM could have gone with a Duratrac. But to be fair, those Trail runners are better than what Toyota puts on anything TRD rated lol
Terrence Jones GM does this wonderful thing where if you opt for the 20s on a trail boss or AT4 you can only get it with a less aggressive tire.
@@mattgonzalez6123 yes I'm aware. I have a 2019 Trail Boss. With the 18" wheels and Duratracs. Another odd thing is the 18 option is 275/65/18 or 32". The 20" gets 275/60/20 which is 33" . Why they did this I'll never understand. If you park 2 trail boss trucks next to each other, the 20/33" set up looks much taller.
The fuel economy test is a no brainer. Dodge has never really been that good on gas. And plus when you have two turbo charge diesel engines in the mountains with turbos that make them more efficient they’re going to get better gas mileage.
power wagon for off road towing. Power wagon to the Rescue. I started charging for gas money. hooking them on the wire. your slow race was rigged. the power wagon has a different gas pedal mapping. raising the rpm. great video. luv driving in fresh snow.