@@magnumbreakzif you don't like spoilers, you shouldn't really watch TH-cam videos of the game before ending at least all of the prophecies (achievements)🙃 But yeah, at a certain point you get to make the game harder for a reward. And one of the options is to make the bosses harder. Hades is not among them but at another point he gives you permission to use that option even on him. The lore explanation is that he has always given the fight his best, but once you activate that option he magically remembers/recovers some of his old strength. Third phase Hades is basically the guy who fought and killed titans
Zagreus approaching Hades without any blessings has the same energy as when a Dark Souls invader comes into your world buck ass naked. You just know you're about to get your ass kicked so hard, you'll still remember it 10 years down the line.
I have ptsd form one dragon that ran at me with an exile great sword and like 2 other guys it was terrifying and I was gonna go moundmaker and just fuck around not even kill people
@@AltF-io3dy when i first played one i used one of the gravelord signs before i knew what it was and i felt like i was in the eclipse from berserk and i still fear those things to this day
@@failtronic2646 Minor spoiler: Lets you turn temporarily invisible, fully charged also gives you a temporary damage bonus when you break the invisibility. Why yes, if you grab that and the Hades aspect of the spear, the boss fight is basically a mirror match.
One of the fun parts of the game being in early access was all the unique dialogue they added in to justify it and make it actually a part of the evolving narrative. For instance, back when the game ended after Asphodel, beating the Bone Hydra for the first time would get you some unique dialogue. The narrator comments that there's nothing else past that point and that we can just assume Zagreus inevitably dies, and you get sent back to the House of Hades. Zag then marches right up to Hades and lays into him about there being nothing past Asphodel, at which point Hades basically just says "alright listen here you little shit, you KNOW my realm is incomplete and under construction."
@@ArcNine9Angel there was special dialogue for basically everything that was unfinished or got changed. The pact of pain used to be in Zag's room, and when they moved it to the exit, he commented on it not being there anymore.
To be fair sysphus gift gives a Nice bonus for not having any boon, so I guess they had more reason to expect such a situtation, still, Very cool of them to add the voicelines
@@Skishe she does. She stays up on the surface for half a year, and returns to the underworld the other half. Her leaving to the underworld is what causes autumn and winter, while her return to the surface is the source of of spring and summer, iirc
@@jeezuhskriste5759 You’re correct. Persephone’s role in the changing of the seasons is purely incidental. Demeter is the one actively doing the changing.
Interesting that he acknowledged the fact you probably did scum the pool of purging for these dialogues since it takes an enormous amount of luck to not get forced into taking a boon.
It takes a little luck in Styx to not get a boon, but you can make use of the sales pool at the end of every area to clear yourself of any forced pick-ups and Hades will still have this conversation with you. I don't think it's possible to go through a run without being forced into at least a few pick-ups, but for the most part you can ditch them before you fight Hades.
Even from the very first room, you'd have to reset until you got a hammer. Maybe from there, if you abuse the mirror talent that lets you reroll rewards and pick up every key along the way to refill it could you actually get through boon free.
@@PhyreSpore when doing this i found that if a room wants to give you a boon you can reroll 'till the cows come home, you're gettin' a boon i doubt it's possible to do a run completely void of boons, you just gotta sell em' before getting to hades
I can't even reliably get past Theseus and Asterius _with_ boons and then there's this guy who made it all the way to the final boss without using a single one.
He probably had to use a pool of purging a time or two. While it might be possible to have an actual run with picking up a boon. You would need a lot of luck.
@@wildstorm3486 While it is very possible to make it all the way to the Temple of Styx without boons, it's just making to Hades because without those things to change the rewards, it's almost impossible to make it to Hades boonless.
Man, I swear, half the fun in the game is feeling like you're actually in the game. Everything feels personal...the fun, the exciment, the anticipation, the annoyance, the relationships themselves. This is character desing done right in every way. Top 5 favorite game for sure.
The first time I did this was also the first time I used Excalibur. So the unique dialogue for using Excalibur played over the no boon dialogue. I felt so defeated, even though I did it, without Hades saying it I felt like I hadn’t.
@@lfernando831 Daedalus hammer is a weapon upgrade so I don't believe that would be what gets checked to see if this dialogue will play. It probably only checks boons given explicitly by the gods
@@callmetrigg5401 I was too lucky. I love Ares' boons. And on that run i uses aspect of achilles with duo boon merciful end. I was too lucky to be kept alive.
@@Infinitinity Was about to say that. When I set that on the Pact I was wiping my brow from just finishing phase 2 since I was on my second-to-last Death Defiance. Then, when Hades didn't die, I had such a gut sinking feeling when I realized there's a phase 3. I still pulled a win off, but just barely.
@@shiaeliminator6484 For me, I died to him on his first phase once, but was completely expecting a second phase when I beat him on my second time round since none of the previous bosses had one.
I'm currently trying to get up to Hades without investing any darkness in the mirror, the fact that there's dialogue for not having any boons gives me hope that it's doable! xD
You can do that however I would recommend beating him a few times then going to the mirror and refunding your darkness using a key or use the Pact of Punishment to remove your mirror buffs.
Sadly, there is no unique dialogue for beating the game on your very first run, and it is the most disappointing thing about this game (maybe the only disappointing).
Fun fact, it's implied that the Mirror of Darkness doesn't grant Zagreus entirely new power from Nyx, but rather allows Zagreus to focus his own errant power into tangible boosts within himself. So fighting EM4 Hades without Boons with a maxed out mirror is Zag and Hades both fighting at their max power.
I actually tried that as a challange. I had the Zagreus bow with point blank shot and twin shot and the sisyphus keepsake. I died at the last 1/3 of his third phase in my second attempt. This comment makes me want to try it again now!
I don’t think they’re treated as “boons,” given that they transform into a permanent buff once they’re gone. That, and because you can’t find chaos gates in Styx, you’ll never get to Hades with a chaos effect that hasn’t already transformed even if it does count as one during that period.
You can have Chaos Boons, Hammers, and certain Olympian boons that can't be sold. I think the Dionysus one that gives you more HP each Nectar you find is one of those.
damn im amazed at just how much unique dialogue there is in this game that even includes such a rare difficult situation i don't think anyone would normally cross
Once i left the game running to sit back and eat some fruit, i thought "it would be really funny if there was idle dialogue but nah". then i resumed, bought an aphrodite boon from charon and she said "if youre QUITE done shopping there, you should get going"
@@webbowser8834 This! Broseidon even mentions that he has piles of the drink, but he mainly cares about the act of giving a sacrifice so he still loves it when Z gives him a nectat
"hmm the Shattered Shackle? It can be fairly effective at the start of a run when going for other upgrades off the bat. Its not useless or anything, which shows the amount of care put into the experience of the game!" Zag: "the Start...Excuse Me?-End. Im Bringing this to the End, Clear!?" (And Thus, Zag's Friend Sisyphus Was Happy..!)
This is probably a good way to show that a relatively normal person without any Olympus aid can be capable of escaping the Underworld. Since it’s Zagreus’ job to try everything to escape the Underworld.
I'm not entirely sure it's even possible. I mean, you CAN beat the game with near-max heat, but that one that gives you time limit.... It makes it pretty impossible to beat the game considering all other conditions of the Pact. Of course, unless you use cheats
Um... What? Does it? I literally did that few weeks ago, and didn't notice anything like that. I specifically wasted whole night to beat the game on the very first attempt, resetting the savefile every time. Did I manage to miss something?
I remember getting this dialog! I would get so annoyed at how Hades taunts you for 'needing help' to get anywhere so out of spite I focused entirely on building up my weapon and Stats for a run. Felt so satisfying to win that Third Phase 'on my own'.
This video is exactly the moment I have fallen in love with Supergiant. Hades is my first SG game and I've heard great things about the others I'm gonna check them out
wait, that second one, is Hades actually in support of Zagreus getting help from the gods? Or is it just a knowledge that if Zag beats him without assistance then it is definitive proof that Zag is better than him?
Its actually pretty easy to get 0 boon when facing hades, 2 spesific pact that force you to purge 1 boon when climbing and you take approval process that removes 2 boon option. and you deactivate talent that increased boon encounter. With optimal setup you can cycle through all boons that overide each other, and you can remove minimum 6 boons when climbing, not including random purging well encounter and if you get lucky with satyr chamber you can get even more purging well.
If you reach hades for the very first time without boons, I wonder if the dialogue would be different. Because here Hades says "No stink of olympus on you, THIS TIME".
I wonder if there's a special line that plays when you never got any blessing - ever. Probably not, as these lines seem to be made to cover both circumstances (with the pool of purging obviously being the most likely one), but it still would be sweet if there was one for those who never even touched the blessings.
No boon runs, need sysiphus keepsake, max aspect (any save Guan Yu unless you're confident that you can fight Hades hit less), get keys whenever possible to get more rerolls, go Hearts, Coin, and Hammer, well of Charon is your friend. The ultimate No Boon Challenge would be ExM4. No one, not even the best have beaten Max Heat. If you were a demigod, you could beat it, if you were a true God, you could do it Boonless. Imagine Kratos faced with such a challenge
I'd like to think Hades is actually very proud of Zagreus for this achievement but can't say it because he has to keep up the appearance of being a fierce god and stern dad.
This game is mostly a regular to above average game that the creators managed to make super ultra replayable by adding hundred times more dialog than any other game of this size would have. I feel like 80% of the effort went to making the pages of dialog and putting the conditions for them. Plus, that doesn't even sound like work, that sounds like fun
That night or day not sure its hell ! Zagreus walked tall towards his father Hades without boons and received the worst ass whooping of his god dam life .... To never be reborn again ...
What I love about these comments, is that all these people probably got to the point where they can reliably defeat Hades in almost every run, myself included. I love the skill curve of this game and how climbable it is!
There is a unique dialogue for reaching him on your very first run from a new file (so technically no mirror of night boons). IGN devs react to speedruns shows it if you're interested.
No, but there is unique dialogue when you reach the Furies without mirror buffs, and if it's Megaera and you beat her, you can actually get unique dialogue with her back at the house after the run
These lines talk as though this isnt the first time that Zagreus has made it to the end. I wonder if theres unique dialog for being boonless on your first encounter with hades?
There are no purging pools on the first run and you have you have to take the first boon. So, it’s not possible. Edit: Sorry I misread your comment, you didnt mean the first run but first encounter wirh Hades. In that case it could be an extra dialogue
A great boonless run to try is one where you make use of the Canon and roleplay as a mobile artillery unit during the whole run, Sisyphus brace max level and all boonless talents on the Mirror. *Time to go boom*
I managed to get this dialogue with Guan Yu and Sysiphe's trinket. Also it works if you get Chaos boons along the way to help you a bit in this journey.
I did this once, absolutely loved it up until the hades right, then hated it, I still won, but that fight is annoying as shit without any boons, especially when he decides to heal and undo all the damage you did in the last 5 minutes
![Hades Speedrun any% - 5:57 IGT , 13:08 RTA - Eris Rail [v1.37]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AMb05zKj_3w/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Hades] Zagreus finally finds out who hired Skelly](/img/n.gif)
For real, Zagreus getting there without Olympian help is the biggest flex on EVERYONE
The only one bigger is to use the Pact to remove all of the power-ups from the Mirror.
@@MrMobiusfan AND to get Hades to a third phase where he unleashes his ancient dormant potential. All three at once
@@mangelsimonpaniello2256 phase three hades is one of my favorite bosses of all time (excluding FromSoft)
@@mangelsimonpaniello2256 wait hades has a third phase? I'm on my 50th+ run and i've never got it
@@magnumbreakzif you don't like spoilers, you shouldn't really watch TH-cam videos of the game before ending at least all of the prophecies (achievements)🙃
But yeah, at a certain point you get to make the game harder for a reward. And one of the options is to make the bosses harder. Hades is not among them but at another point he gives you permission to use that option even on him. The lore explanation is that he has always given the fight his best, but once you activate that option he magically remembers/recovers some of his old strength. Third phase Hades is basically the guy who fought and killed titans
Hades: Have you come all this way without any boons?
Zagreus: Wouldn't you like to know, office boi.
"Where are your parents?"
Kid's sketchy
Ahh 1 to 1.1k 👌🏿
@@abdoul5176 Ya love to see it
*shakes head in disappointment at the office boi
Zagreus approaching Hades without any blessings has the same energy as when a Dark Souls invader comes into your world buck ass naked. You just know you're about to get your ass kicked so hard, you'll still remember it 10 years down the line.
Not if you stun them lmao
@@weissendrachen youd have to hit them to manage that feat
I have ptsd form one dragon that ran at me with an exile great sword and like 2 other guys it was terrifying and I was gonna go moundmaker and just fuck around not even kill people
@@AltF-io3dy when i first played one i used one of the gravelord signs before i knew what it was and i felt like i was in the eclipse from berserk and i still fear those things to this day
can i argu its a good thing im so shitty at the game? so i ahve yet to taste ANY of that pain.
I think my favourite interaction in this game is using Hades' call against Hades!
"Father!"
"Son!"
Hades actually gets annoyed when you do it repeatedly. xD
"Father!"
"Oh shut up."
god i want to know what the hades call is but the fact i don't know means i haven't gotten there yet and should earn it AAAAAAA
@@failtronic2646 Minor spoiler: Lets you turn temporarily invisible, fully charged also gives you a temporary damage bonus when you break the invisibility. Why yes, if you grab that and the Hades aspect of the spear, the boss fight is basically a mirror match.
"FATHER!"
"What?"
One of the fun parts of the game being in early access was all the unique dialogue they added in to justify it and make it actually a part of the evolving narrative. For instance, back when the game ended after Asphodel, beating the Bone Hydra for the first time would get you some unique dialogue. The narrator comments that there's nothing else past that point and that we can just assume Zagreus inevitably dies, and you get sent back to the House of Hades. Zag then marches right up to Hades and lays into him about there being nothing past Asphodel, at which point Hades basically just says "alright listen here you little shit, you KNOW my realm is incomplete and under construction."
That is AMAZING.
@@ArcNine9Angel there was special dialogue for basically everything that was unfinished or got changed. The pact of pain used to be in Zag's room, and when they moved it to the exit, he commented on it not being there anymore.
Almost makes me want to save up for a PC lolz
and before the 1.0 launch, going through the door after this fight killed him and had the narrator say something unique.
Pls give me a video of that
As stated by the fates: The son of the god of the dead shall die within 1.57 seconds to a battle with his father.
Our tale of the Underworld Prince is far from finished. But the rest of it shall have to wait until another time.
Ha!See father!I can get here all on my own,now let’s fight!
*gets slapped and dies*
Zagarus: “Uhhhh uhhhh urughhhh w w why did i do that.”
@@avsomesso This comment aged wonderfully...?
*Taken by the Styx*
Zagreus: walks up to Hades
Hades: *SNIFF*
а разве так не делают все отцы со своими сыновьями? 😮
Even such a niche and rare situation still has 2 sets of voicelines addressing it. That's Supergiant quality for you, there.
SuperGiant's always seal of quality.
tell that to my playstation version full of crash. And the balance is far from being quality.
@@dodeker7845 I play it on the Nintendo switch and it didn't ever crash. I haven't run into any problem with this game.
@@dodeker7845 Just because you bad at it doesn't mean it's a bad balance
To be fair sysphus gift gives a Nice bonus for not having any boon, so I guess they had more reason to expect such a situtation, still, Very cool of them to add the voicelines
Hades in actual mythology: *Wife gone, think about wife... Regret.*
Didnt persephone return back to his side genuinely? Like she realized on hades' side was not bad
@@Skishe Yeah, I think so.
@@Skishe she does. She stays up on the surface for half a year, and returns to the underworld the other half. Her leaving to the underworld is what causes autumn and winter, while her return to the surface is the source of of spring and summer, iirc
@@KevinReijnders93 I thought it was Demeter causing winter because she was sad that her daughter was leaving
@@jeezuhskriste5759 You’re correct. Persephone’s role in the changing of the seasons is purely incidental. Demeter is the one actively doing the changing.
Interesting that he acknowledged the fact you probably did scum the pool of purging for these dialogues since it takes an enormous amount of luck to not get forced into taking a boon.
It takes a little luck in Styx to not get a boon, but you can make use of the sales pool at the end of every area to clear yourself of any forced pick-ups and Hades will still have this conversation with you. I don't think it's possible to go through a run without being forced into at least a few pick-ups, but for the most part you can ditch them before you fight Hades.
@@TheGreatGario I think it might be possible to avoid them entirely but not likely
Even from the very first room, you'd have to reset until you got a hammer. Maybe from there, if you abuse the mirror talent that lets you reroll rewards and pick up every key along the way to refill it could you actually get through boon free.
@@PhyreSpore when doing this i found that if a room wants to give you a boon you can reroll 'till the cows come home, you're gettin' a boon
i doubt it's possible to do a run completely void of boons, you just gotta sell em' before getting to hades
@@PhyreSpore I don't think you can. Once Zagreus climbs out of the pool, a seed is decided. You cannot reset out of it, you have to play that seed
Hades:
"What are you? An atheist or something?"
You can't be an atheist if you yourself is a God
@@Darigosh Sure you can! There are loads of people that don't believe in themselves.
@@Darigosh Low self esteem want's to introduce itself, as well as it's Psycho friends...
@@Jessamineann :(
@@Darigosh Prometheus: “Watch me”
I can't even reliably get past Theseus and Asterius _with_ boons and then there's this guy who made it all the way to the final boss without using a single one.
Twice
He probably had to use a pool of purging a time or two. While it might be possible to have an actual run with picking up a boon. You would need a lot of luck.
@@wildstorm3486 While it is very possible to make it all the way to the Temple of Styx without boons, it's just making to Hades because without those things to change the rewards, it's almost impossible to make it to Hades boonless.
Sisyphus’ keepsake helps immensely. Boosts any type of attack you don’t currently have a boon for. That’s what I used when I did a no-boon run.
I assume hoarding slash would work quite well with a no-boon run.
Man, I swear, half the fun in the game is feeling like you're actually in the game. Everything feels personal...the fun, the exciment, the anticipation, the annoyance, the relationships themselves. This is character desing done right in every way. Top 5 favorite game for sure.
Problem is that it's pretty vast. I can see why not many devs do this. Heck the game can put resources to this simply because it's a Roguelike.
@silverhawkscape2677 good thing is it can only get better. Early access for Hades 2 is out. Have fun, my friend.
The first time I did this was also the first time I used Excalibur. So the unique dialogue for using Excalibur played over the no boon dialogue. I felt so defeated, even though I did it, without Hades saying it I felt like I hadn’t.
sounds like true Hades experience. Him not acknowledging your acomplishments
Does Hephaestus hammer not count as a boon?
@@lfernando831 Daedalus hammer is a weapon upgrade so I don't believe that would be what gets checked to see if this dialogue will play. It probably only checks boons given explicitly by the gods
You just can’t get a compliment from this guy 😀
If you beat him with maximum pact, he tells you not to tell this to anyone. I think that's as far as you can get for a compliment.
Dude i thought i beat him on my 15th run. I was so proud of myself. But then there's the second phase.
Expectation : Gone
Hope : Crushed
Beat him on my 69th run, youre damn lucky there! (Even if if you couldn’t get past the second phase)
@@callmetrigg5401 I was too lucky. I love Ares' boons. And on that run i uses aspect of achilles with duo boon merciful end. I was too lucky to be kept alive.
That happened to me yesterday. Should have known there’s a phase 2
Took me 26 runs the first time. Went back and played it on PS4 and managed to do it in 6, but I lucked into a pretty good Ice Wine build for that.
@@Infinitinity Was about to say that. When I set that on the Pact I was wiping my brow from just finishing phase 2 since I was on my second-to-last Death Defiance. Then, when Hades didn't die, I had such a gut sinking feeling when I realized there's a phase 3.
I still pulled a win off, but just barely.
Something I’ll probably never achieve
Try with the Sisyphus keepsake
Probably isn't never
Ay, it's not that hard, the keepsake that gives you 100% damage if you have no boons attached to that makes it pretty easy
It's actually pretty easy
I'm sad the only time I was about to do it, I got killed with Hades having 5% HP left
bruh, the first time i got his health low for it to only shoot back up, my heart dropped... Still kicked his ass that run tho
same, specially because I died to him twice before my 1 successful run
@@shiaeliminator6484 For me, I died to him on his first phase once, but was completely expecting a second phase when I beat him on my second time round since none of the previous bosses had one.
Use pact of punishment - extreme measures. You will be surprised.
I'm currently trying to get up to Hades without investing any darkness in the mirror, the fact that there's dialogue for not having any boons gives me hope that it's doable! xD
I know you get unique dialogue from the furies for going without darkness so maybe?
You can do that however I would recommend beating him a few times then going to the mirror and refunding your darkness using a key or use the Pact of Punishment to remove your mirror buffs.
There's a first attempt run that the devs watch and comment on, so it is certainly doable.
@@ndubitably Yeah there are quite a few of those, fresh file speedruns
The delivery of the lines is SO good for both:
"Yes I am that Strong", or
"Pssshhh, No, I didn't pick up a Single Boon.... None at all... ;)"
Zagreus isn’t cocky or brags about himself, but isn’t shy enough that he proves or admit that he is capable of something more.
"Doubtless you merely purged their blessings for some coin." -Laughs in Hoarding Slash Excalibur
This game deserves all the love that it has, it's truly incredible. There's unique dialogue for any situation, it's so good
Sadly, there is no unique dialogue for beating the game on your very first run, and it is the most disappointing thing about this game (maybe the only disappointing).
Hades: Ew you took the boons
Also Hades: Ew you didn't take the boons
Zagreus every time: 🥲
Just like my parents...
Wouldn’t be a story about an incredibly difficult parental figure without the double standards
Reminds me of Persona 4 when you're uncle asks if you want or coffee black or with cream
Fun fact, it's implied that the Mirror of Darkness doesn't grant Zagreus entirely new power from Nyx, but rather allows Zagreus to focus his own errant power into tangible boosts within himself. So fighting EM4 Hades without Boons with a maxed out mirror is Zag and Hades both fighting at their max power.
...oh duh, it's a mirror, of course!
never thought of it that way
I actually tried that as a challange. I had the Zagreus bow with point blank shot and twin shot and the sisyphus keepsake. I died at the last 1/3 of his third phase in my second attempt. This comment makes me want to try it again now!
Well, that was interesting, didn't think there was dialogues for this kinda of situation XD
They really did a great work with this game.
what if you only have boons from chaos? they aren't an olympian.
I’m pretty sure that my no-olympian run had a chaos boon, and i got this dialogue
I don’t think they’re treated as “boons,” given that they transform into a permanent buff once they’re gone. That, and because you can’t find chaos gates in Styx, you’ll never get to Hades with a chaos effect that hasn’t already transformed even if it does count as one during that period.
You can have Chaos Boons, Hammers, and certain Olympian boons that can't be sold. I think the Dionysus one that gives you more HP each Nectar you find is one of those.
damn im amazed at just how much unique dialogue there is in this game that even includes such a rare difficult situation i don't think anyone would normally cross
Once i left the game running to sit back and eat some fruit, i thought "it would be really funny if there was idle dialogue but nah". then i resumed, bought an aphrodite boon from charon and she said "if youre QUITE done shopping there, you should get going"
For once I'd like to know what Olympus smells like
Ambrosia probably, IIRC the Olympians are drunk on that stuff 24/7
I reckon very expensive air.
@@webbowser8834 This! Broseidon even mentions that he has piles of the drink, but he mainly cares about the act of giving a sacrifice so he still loves it when Z gives him a nectat
Sex, drugs, and olive oil.
cinnamon!
I watched this since I knew I could never achieve a no boon run 😅
don’t give up the fight :)
Let's just say that pact of punishment
[puts on sunglasses]
took a TOLL on me
1:15 - cut to Zag wearing bling
You could probably actually pull together a win, by using the shackle since it gives enough of a boost.
Hades: "How the...How the fuck did you even get up here?"
because one (Zag) must Imagine Sisyphus Happy.
Did he actually just snort really hard?
I think he actually sniffed hahaha
He snorted *menacingly*
Sisyphus:”This is where the fun begins.”
"hmm the Shattered Shackle? It can be fairly effective at the start of a run when going for other upgrades off the bat. Its not useless or anything, which shows the amount of care put into the experience of the game!"
Zag: "the Start...Excuse Me?-End. Im Bringing this to the End, Clear!?"
(And Thus, Zag's Friend Sisyphus Was Happy..!)
This is probably a good way to show that a relatively normal person without any Olympus aid can be capable of escaping the Underworld. Since it’s Zagreus’ job to try everything to escape the Underworld.
Zagreus isn't a normal person. Being the son of Hades makes himself an olypian.
zagreus is literally a god lol
Escaping the Underworld is extremely easy, you just don't look back and you'll be fine.
if you do this in max heat,instead of this dialogue Hades will kneel down crying and make Zag the king of the underworld
I'm not entirely sure it's even possible. I mean, you CAN beat the game with near-max heat, but that one that gives you time limit.... It makes it pretty impossible to beat the game considering all other conditions of the Pact. Of course, unless you use cheats
The fact that there's multiple dialogues really shows how much care they put in the game.
I did about a million tries to beat hades with no boons just so I could see what dialogue I got for that. Sure wish I could get that time back.
You shoulda used youtube first.
the game has lines for if you reached hades on the literal first run of the game what did you expect :D
Um... What? Does it? I literally did that few weeks ago, and didn't notice anything like that. I specifically wasted whole night to beat the game on the very first attempt, resetting the savefile every time. Did I manage to miss something?
I like how they accounted for both scenarios of how you could be boonless.
I remember getting this dialog! I would get so annoyed at how Hades taunts you for 'needing help' to get anywhere so out of spite I focused entirely on building up my weapon and Stats for a run. Felt so satisfying to win that Third Phase 'on my own'.
The true lesson of strength: Rejecting power that you don’t need. Relying on the power within you and getting only what you need from others.
This video is exactly the moment I have fallen in love with Supergiant. Hades is my first SG game and I've heard great things about the others I'm gonna check them out
the dialogue was incredible for this game
Greg Kasavin be like: I see you, and I respect you
Ah yes..... dialogue I would have never seen on my own.
I love this game so much.
this is why characters feel alive
Honestly, one of the biggest challenges is trying to get to Hades with NO boons at all
wait, that second one, is Hades actually in support of Zagreus getting help from the gods? Or is it just a knowledge that if Zag beats him without assistance then it is definitive proof that Zag is better than him?
If I remember correctly, he admits Zag is better than him but advises not to mention it ever.
Its actually pretty easy to get 0 boon when facing hades, 2 spesific pact that force you to purge 1 boon when climbing and you take approval process that removes 2 boon option. and you deactivate talent that increased boon encounter. With optimal setup you can cycle through all boons that overide each other, and you can remove minimum 6 boons when climbing, not including random purging well encounter and if you get lucky with satyr chamber you can get even more purging well.
You can also reroll purging wells to sell more than 3 boons at each one
Watching this because i would never reach Hades without boons
If you reach hades for the very first time without boons, I wonder if the dialogue would be different. Because here Hades says "No stink of olympus on you, THIS TIME".
SuperGiant really prepared dialogs for masochist players.
I've been trying to do this for so long, and I'm glad to see there is actual recognition for it.
WHOA! they made dialogue even for this?!?! I didn't even know you could do this!
I’ve just started playing this and I feel there’s no way I could ever get this dialogue naturally.
0:59 wait he meant "the stink of olympus" literally 😭 not the sniffing
I wonder if there's a special line that plays when you never got any blessing - ever.
Probably not, as these lines seem to be made to cover both circumstances (with the pool of purging obviously being the most likely one), but it still would be sweet if there was one for those who never even touched the blessings.
Dammit he knows about the game mechanics
Little details like this is why Supergiant is one of the best game developers out right now.
It's funny to think that the olympian's boons smell, and apparently bad
I can't believe someone did this. I CAN believe Supergiant had a just in case.
Hades: How tf did you survive?
Zagreus: Wouldn't you like to know weather boy
weather BOY!!!💀...☠☠🩸 .. 👑
Thank for doing what I could never do
That Jazz reference tho
now approach without any health like i always did
“Did you really come here by yourself?”
“Wouldn’t you like to know weatherboy?
finally a fair fight
No boon runs, need sysiphus keepsake, max aspect (any save Guan Yu unless you're confident that you can fight Hades hit less), get keys whenever possible to get more rerolls, go Hearts, Coin, and Hammer, well of Charon is your friend. The ultimate No Boon Challenge would be ExM4.
No one, not even the best have beaten Max Heat. If you were a demigod, you could beat it, if you were a true God, you could do it Boonless. Imagine Kratos faced with such a challenge
I'd like to think Hades is actually very proud of Zagreus for this achievement but can't say it because he has to keep up the appearance of being a fierce god and stern dad.
I resent that, Father!
Hades calls them "your family" really shows how little he cares for them.
I didn’t even know this was possible
Any special phrases after defeating him like that?
Unfortunately no, nothing unique happens after you defeat Hades with no boons.
@@avsomesso
Shame :/ missed opportunity that.
I hadn't even considered that you could've purged them until he said it ahhaa
Lol, it never even occurred to me not to have boons.
This game is mostly a regular to above average game that the creators managed to make super ultra replayable by adding hundred times more dialog than any other game of this size would have.
I feel like 80% of the effort went to making the pages of dialog and putting the conditions for them. Plus, that doesn't even sound like work, that sounds like fun
has anyone done a no boons no mirror run? that'd be absurd.
Would this qualify?
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First Dialogue: doubt
Second Dialogue: *Bri'ish doubt*
That night or day not sure its hell ! Zagreus walked tall towards his father Hades without boons and received the worst ass whooping of his god dam life .... To never be reborn again ...
What I love about these comments, is that all these people probably got to the point where they can reliably defeat Hades in almost every run, myself included. I love the skill curve of this game and how climbable it is!
Is there anything similar for reaching him without any mirror bonuses as well?
Just a unique victory screen message, I believe.
There is a unique dialogue for reaching him on your very first run from a new file (so technically no mirror of night boons). IGN devs react to speedruns shows it if you're interested.
No, but there is unique dialogue when you reach the Furies without mirror buffs, and if it's Megaera and you beat her, you can actually get unique dialogue with her back at the house after the run
These lines talk as though this isnt the first time that Zagreus has made it to the end. I wonder if theres unique dialog for being boonless on your first encounter with hades?
There are no purging pools on the first run and you have you have to take the first boon. So, it’s not possible.
Edit: Sorry I misread your comment, you didnt mean the first run but first encounter wirh Hades. In that case it could be an extra dialogue
A great boonless run to try is one where you make use of the Canon and roleplay as a mobile artillery unit during the whole run, Sisyphus brace max level and all boonless talents on the Mirror.
*Time to go boom*
"Boonless."
I fucking adore this game
Isn't there a unique line of dialogue if you get to the surface the first time you start a new save?
Two years later. I tried, and there was nothing. Just the same dialogue
I came here looking for the dialogue of defeating *Megaera* without boons.
Hades is fine too.
I managed to get this dialogue with Guan Yu and Sysiphe's trinket. Also it works if you get Chaos boons along the way to help you a bit in this journey.
I did this once, absolutely loved it up until the hades right, then hated it, I still won, but that fight is annoying as shit without any boons, especially when he decides to heal and undo all the damage you did in the last 5 minutes
Nicely done I'd say.
When I did it, I was running the Eris Rail and had the Shattered Shackle, which is quite a potent combo.
If you're good at timing your dash...
Thanks for this.
Forgot to show the part where you got MURDERED not having any boons.
No unique dialogue on that, believe me I can tell :)
20 minutes though....
I was distracted along the way
@@avsomesso lmao i was actually impressed!
Is it just me, or does the voice sound higher pitched for Zagreus? He always sounded deeper to me in my experience with the game.
on the second dialog seems like a bit higher but he exclaims his lines
I didn't even know it was possible to do that