Post HADES 2 edit: Congratulations to the happy couple on their second kid :D apparently people outside the fandom are watching this so: yes this is from a game, it's called Hades, you're spoiling yourself on basically the ending of the main plotline. hope you enjoy your stay
I know it's good but seeing this made we want to save up and buy a copy to personally experience (that and I've already wikidived Hades so watching this isn't much of a spoiler 👌)
If you pick the short version, we'd be here for about...5 minutes. You want the whole explanation we gonna have to have a whole day for me to air my grievances.
(Picks out a book) which one do you wish to hear first? The one with the bull or the one with golden rain?” “Father, did uncle Zeus pee on Aunt Hera?” “Oh, fates. I wish it were that simple.”
@@nathanbrown7906 he should had secretly comissioned daedalus some custom tools for him and told no soul about it (most people in the house would know about it but not say anything though)
@@bthsr7113 Hades: and then he turns himself into a fackin goose! Persephone: You mean swan Hades: He called it a goose because the next thing he said to this lady was ‘Hey baby! The Zeus Goose is Loose and ready to give you his Goose Zeus *_JUICE!_*
Demeter: Say Zagreus, did you ever hear the old saying 'Grandparents and grandchildren get along so well because they have a common enemy?’ Zagreus: Do tell … 😏
@@Savagewolver Mmhmmm. The brothers wanted to marry daughters of Zeus, which Helen was. Theseus settled on her and when she wound up being a child, they're just like "well she won't STAY a kid..." The plan was to keep her until she was...legal. HEUGH
I love how Hades, even after all those years apart, asks Persephone "Is everything to your liking? If there's anything you need, I'll make it so". He's a big guy, who has an even bigger heart for the woman he's madly in love with.
Zagreus: "Wait, you're not thinking of having more children are you?" Persephone: Hahahaha, no. you're plenty. Hades 2: hi hello you already have a sister.
Considering Athena was effectively born on accident from just Zeus randomly thinking "a woman in armor... THAT'S HOT!!!" having more children whose existence she's unaware of wouldn't be surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if she's Zagreus's daughter in this canon though considering she apparently is trying to assasinate Kronos, the concept of time in prison to save her father.
@@elixxon Hades: *Saw Persephone cuddling beside him when he wakes up* Hades, thinking to himself: "Man, my wife is beautiful." (Hades feels something poking out of his forehead) Hades, softly: "Oh no"
I think what I love the most is that you can tell how disgusted Hades is with what Zeus did. Even if he loves Persephone, he also respects her enough to be disgusted with Zeus treating her like an object. Love it
My favorite part about the stellar character writing is that after you see the credits, Hades' and Zagreus' mid-battle banter feels WAY healthier. Like as if they're venting all of the decades of frustration and tension out as they fight.
I almost threw a fight once because I was laughing so hard at Hades arguing with Zagreus not cleaning his room. It's so strange how a scenario i thought was so dramatic and sad could be changed just by a few voicelines.
Saw video, where in one moment of the fight they simple star joking around with each other, it's a bit silly comments about persephone, but i don't know know, i love it it's make look like they actually really father and son!
@@FredwardDrawn "Why are you not cleaning your chambers with such ferocity?" "What, so they look like your boring chambers?" "You take that back about my chambers!" "Boring, i say."
"True rivals for Hera and me!" ... Zeus buddy, those two beat your relationship by a long shot. You've cheated on her more times than you can count. Don't think Hades ever did that.
Not to mention that when someone attempts to sway either Hades or Persephone, the other tends to either tie them to chairs for eternity, or worse If someone was to kidnap Hera I’d be willing to bet that Zeus would have to be told his wife is missing before he did anything about it
What I love most about all those interactions is that Hermes is always hinting that he knows exactly what's going on, like when he talked about how he found it interesting that pomegranate seeds keep you in Hades' realm and how much he enjoyed the pomegranates he ate while there. He's so cheeky with it all.
@@hirahiro2331 yes but that role also belongs to Hekate. I find it interesting that she wasn't included in the game. Though it's very fitting that Hermes always knows what's going on.
The second interaction has always been a favorite. The idea that Hades actually feels more offended at the idea that Zag didn’t know something rather than him diverting the conversation elsewhere. And he does explain why there is all this grievance and makes it where even Zag can understand it and not misinterpret the story.
Hades is actually a very sincere dude. Yes, he's stubborn, grumpy, and uptight, but he cares to maintain his domain and tend to those in his employ. Never directly, but he's a good dude overall.
@@ByrneBaby well he is the most powerful god unlike his brothers who have to overcompensate for everything he just needs to keep his house in order since everyone becomes his subject in the end and his also the god of wealth since all gems and metals come from the ground. i can also understand why he wanted to keep his kid away from the olympians theres like maybe 3-4 good ones out of all of them.
I love how in the actual legends Hades is absolutely head over heels for Persephone and was devoted to making her happy when he wasn't busy. He is absolutely a loving husband despite the circumstances of how he married Persephone and this is the couple goal I aspire to.
@@mcspankies2993 I'm pretty sure Minthe was either an ex he dumped after meeting persephone or it like an open relationship thing going on and persephone was fine with it until minthe started boasting about how she was better than persephone or something.
I think the main draw of their dynamic is that it isn't all healthy, but the unhealthy parts are actively acknowledged by the characters, and the story doesn't romanticize or put it down
@@diethylmalonate That's what makes it healthy. The fact that they address the dark sides of themselves in the relationship, but yet they work around and even improve.
Seeing Zagreus and Hades being kinda awkward around Persephone is rather touching. One had to hide the truth and go on everyday like he wasn’t heartbroken, yet now is reunited with the only woman whom makes his heart flutter, and the other is just getting used to the fact he’s the son of two very unique and remarkable people whose love couldn’t happen under ideal circumstances. Also, “Kore”. Gods I love the mythology that’s being referenced whenever this game is played
Something tells me a writer was a fan of a certain old fic of Heracles 1997 whom loved to use the Kore name and introduced Hades/Persephone to many kids.
Zeus is both uncle and grandpa actually, except in Minoan and Mycanean culture from what we've gathered. Poseidon was top God then and was in the father role. Overly Sacastic Productions did excellent videos on the matter
I'm shocked how much of the story of Hades and Persephone has been kept in. Of course they couldn't really add all of it due to let's say less then sacred subject matter but they did make a true effort to stick to the original legend.
@@patrickbuckley7259 I think they were referring to all the incest, since technically Persephone is Hades’ niece by BOTH Zeus and Demeter, but they took that aspect out
@@patrickbuckley7259 Oh, that version was actually made up recently (around 1978) in book "Lost goddesses of early Greece". The book "claims" it's pre-patriarchal *but* with no primary sources to back it up, making it essentially a fan fiction. Not that I have any issues with fanfictions, or the Dreaded death bringer. Just... bringing up fanfictions when discussing canon is something I've grew to hate.
The fact that Zagreus subtly expresses separation anxiety when Persephone leaves to visit Olympus, and then when he's relieved that she's back Hades ALSO confesses subtly to having separation anxiety... for one thing it's real cute that they end up bonding over how much they both love Persephone, but also it's such a good little detail to show how her leaving the first time scarred both of them at least a little and that they actually struggle to trust that she won't leave again. Really adds a depth to her character and her story and makes her a lot less than perfect in the eyes of the narrative.
Something tells me that all, if not most, of the inhabitants of the underworld have separation anxiety when the Dread Queen Persephone leaves. The Cthonians all seem to carry fond memories of her with them.
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference" That's facts, Hades was one of the most reasonable and level headed olympians in the original myths.
Considering how heavy the story is in Hades (which can be summed up as a long journey of a kid to reunite his separated parents), I wonder what type of story they think can match or top that in a sequel. Given the aforementioned heavy story, I figured Hades as being a one-shot.
@@dioshoes9096 I'm sorry for asking, since I'm the only one who doesn't know, but don't Thanatos and makaria share the same area of expertise? Given that both take care of predominantly nonviolent deaths? (For those who don't know, Ker (Thanatos' Sister) or the Keren take Care of the violent deaths), so I thought thanatos' responsibility were the non-violent deaths.
@@biggsdarklighter0473Macaria’s domain is blessed death which I can understand the potential overlap with Thanatos since he handles nonviolent death. From what I understand from my previous research, which I’ll admit now might be rusty: Macaria is more of a psychopomp for those who were throughly innocent (like young children) or throughly “blessed”, like those who lived throughly fulfilled lives, or those who, for a lack of a better term, are saintly. She would be the ones to transport beloved/non hypocritical priests and priestesses or innocent youth lost too soon, or your most charitable/honestly good member of your community. She transports the truly beloved/blessed of souls (the definition of such tends to fluctuate but ultimately means they were beyond argument/reproach on their character or positive contributions to the world) She transports those who ultimately deserve to basically skip the Hades line to go straight to either Elysium or, in most sources I find about her, the isles/islands of the blessed. Basically she’s “may you go in blessedness, instead of suffering and utter destruction”. Sometimes she does overlap with Thanatos but they differ when it comes to the soul they transport. There are plenty of horrible people who manage to die nonviolently and there are plenty of good souls who die senselessly to violence. An example I’ll pull out of my ass would be Robin Williams. I’d imagine he’d be a good contender for Macaria. I googled him, I’ve heard nothing but glowing stories about the man and I admired his work as well. I had to actively search for controversy that might tarnish that eligibility. You know those memes where the grim reaper is taking the soul of a dog and telling them they were the best of boys/girls after the dog asks if they did good? That would probably be Macaria. Hopefully this gives you a good idea of what Macaria does. EDIT: Another way to define Macaria is as a death Goddess who handles souls who require more care and kindness than Thanatos can provide.
@@UltimaDoombotMK1 I am honestly unsure about that…. from what I remember think she’s more along the lines of the children or long suffering but good people (illness or otherwise). Basically, she’s deals in the souls who deserve/need more care and kindness than what can already be found with Thanatos. The heroes you mentioned I imagine probably wouldn’t need such care. I gave plenty of examples of what I think roughly covers what’s she covers in a previous comment. Also being war heroes and the context of their deaths might put them under the Keres (embodiment of violent death) domain. Macaria is kinda difficult to pin point because there are no myths about her and her domain is shaky to fully translate/succinctly explain. It isn’t helped by the fact that Thanatos and the Keres by the factual coverage of their domains (nonviolent death and violent death respectively) don’t leave a lot of room for Macaria pin point her domain in an easily understood way. There is a reason people wonder if Thanatos and Macaria essentially have the same job or overlap. I gave my rough idea as to what she’s does and who she handles in a previous comment. Yeah those heroes you mentioned could be argued as contributed good to the world but remember Macaria seems to be more of a Peaceful kind of death Goddess. I also mentioned the meaning of Blessed death is a pain in the ass to explain. The term “Blessed” could be used towards specific people, like those in the priesthood or exceptionally morally good people, or used generally like most/all can be called “the blessed ones” in death. Let’s not even touch canonical timelines with gods because I have no clue whether Macaria even existed (conceptually or otherwise) at the time of the Trojan War. That’s one of the difficulties of researching more minor gods/goddesses, they either have no surviving myths and have only simple information on them or they likely were just more easily “understood” in the past than in the present. In Ancient Greece, depending on regional worship, people probably just knew/understood what Macaria did. There is cultural context or information missing to us in the present. While we struggle to define her because Greek mythology is very old and naturally sometimes things are lost to time or in translation. Hell, maybe I’m wrong and Macaria WAS only known as the daughter of Hades and goddess of Blessed death in Ancient Greece and there’s nothing else outside of the Eleusinian mysteries. Fun Fact: if you google Macaria you’ll also find results of the daughter of Heracles also named Macaria.
I feel like the one thing no one has acknowledged beyond the “ha ha no one knows what time it is” is that the illumination in the Tartarus comes from “the light of ixion.” Ixion being a mortal/demigod tied to a flaming wheel forever spinning from the ceiling.
Wow. What in Tartarus did he do to end up like that? I know Hades and Persephone. They don’t hand out punishments like that unless the idiots in question deserved it, so there’s got to be a story attached.
@@coltonwilliams4153 least from what I could find out Ixion was a king who was invited up to Olympus as a guest by Zeus after murdering his father-in-law, and he abused that favor by trying to seduce Hera. So Zeus switched out Hera for a cloud and so Ixion essentially gave birth to centaurs. As punishment, Zeus was the one who bound him onto the fiery wheel (either in the sky or the underworld).
@@BlazinVoid59 because... cloud plus guy equals centaur... I've loved greek myth since as long as I could remember and yet it still manages to surprise me??
Yeah, the parental biology can get rather weird in Greek Mythology. I mean, look at Typhon and Echidna. Two relatively humanoid beings besides the snake parts and Typhon being absolutely colossal, produced many multiheaded animals, perfect animal combinations and monsters for children.
As someone who's relationship with his father was strained for a long time, I really found myself invested in the relationship between Zagreus and Hades. I could really connect to the whole aspect of "Love each other but both are too stubborn to admit it", because for most of my life that's how it was with my father and I; which made the eventual resolution of Hades and Zagreus beginning to work on connecting to one another and patching their relationship all the more sweet to me, as I saw it as a mirror to how my Dad and I began to grow closer as I aged and we worked on our relationship. So talk about immersion!
Same here. My father and i disagree on a lot of things, him being a typical russian conservative (and raising me that way) and me growing up with more western ideals, but we at least reached the point, where arguments end on a "you got your truth and i got mine" point.
Zagreus: "Wait, you're not thinking of having more children, are you?" Persephone: *laughs* "No. You're plenty." Me remembering that Hades and Persephone in the myths also have twin daughters, Melinoe and Macaria: "Are you sure about that?" Plus, I think Zagreus would make a great loving and protective older brother
I like that hades starts being more open after persephone comes home. Like he's still grumpy af and has no patience for zag's shenanigans but those are valid reactions and at least he's learned that open communication is better than shutting the people in his life out
Always respected Hades and Persephone. They practically own and manage THE homeless shelter for all the dead beings of the world. I would like to think that with so much experience and close interaction with the dead, they'd heavily sympathize with all creatures with all kinds of stories, traumas, regrets, and hopes. It's like seeing people in the frontlines of humanitarian services... and then there's Zeus on his divine mountaintop resort with his family every once in a while having the equivalent of telenovela dramas.
By all accounts, Hades ran the Underworld like an accountant, or something like that. He was fair, and he could be swayed emotionally, but it was difficult, as he was mostly business. Persephone was the one you wanted to appeal to on the emotional level. Although that also meant that when she felt you should be punished, it was infinitely worse than anything Hades would come up with. They didn’t call her Dread Persephone for nothing.
For Real, that is the afterlife I'm hoping for. Instead of being thrown into the fire for god knows how long, before having all my whims cared for. Just do not be an absolute asshole, and you get a decent afterlife.
And there are a few examples of Hades just helping the dead out because their story touched him so much! Perfect example, Eurydice and Orpheus. He was so moved by the song Orpheus gave that he gave the couple a chance to be together again although the outcome was tragic. Another is Heracles where again, Hades was so moved by Heracles going through the trouble of trying to resurrect, I believe his friend's wife, that he just let's Heracles do it. Hell, when Heracles had to do his labors, Hades literally went, "Oh you want Cerberus? Alright but please give him back by this amount of time." Gotta love the big softie
So wholesome, and in the Myths there were a lot of snippets of Hades playing with Persephone to keep her entertained, like jack stone with rare gems, Hades was freaking loaded as the king of the underworld and since precious metal and rare gems are found underground he is actually considered the richest god, in some stories
@@bthsr7113 I find it extra funny since Hades is portrayed as Spartan in nature, often snarking and complaining when Zagreus puts in a work contract to pretty the place up. I feel it’s him projecting a bit, as deep down he loves gems and precious metals, but doesn’t want anyone to know he has a soft spot for anything.
@@stingerjohnny9951 It also might just be Hades showing much more maturity than...pretty much every other god. He has unmatched wealth but isn't petty enough to make a big deal out of it or flaunt it.
It's definitely more of a Roman thing. Plutocracy is the word for a government run by money because Pluto, the Roman aspect of Hades, had so many gems.
@@samuraitadpole5459 Then you're gonna love this bit here - Apparently Cerberus can be translated as either "spotted one" or "mottled one", in other words Hades named his dog "Spot".
@@patrickbuckley7259 and sometimes iron which I interpret as iron chloride. Incidentally that's a either green or yellow solution, so kind of like liquid gemstones..?
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference" referencing the fact that out of all the olympian gods, Hades is actually one of the most chill.
He just was having tantrums from not having Persephone by his side, so if anything Zagreus pretty much just saw Hades at his worst and assumed that his usual attitude.
Actually I'd say the other 60% of the Greek population. Zeus was known to have... escapades, shall we say, with any and all genders. He's quite literally the definition of "any hole's a goal."
@@biggsdarklighter0473 I'm still like 90% convinced that Poseidon and ampithrite have an open marriage. Gods of the ocean, and the sea can't be bound or contained and all that
I love how this game portrays Hades, that's how I imagine him, he Could be stern and seem unyielding and insensible as well as Grim and gloomy, but deep down he has a good and generous heart, he's My absolute favorite Greek God, plus Hades and Persephone are My OTP of Greek Mythology.
Well not really. Cthonic deities are bound to the underworld. Zagreus was born of the underworld and thus he is of the Underworld. Even Hades himself cannot stay above ground for too long lest he suffer the same fate as Zagreus.
@@leunam3004 All three nymphs of the underworld end up as plants... The one I just mentioned, thene Minth who earned her fate by tryin to mack on Hades in front of Persephone. Dread Persephone was not amused. There is one other as well, but I am too unfamiliar with that myth.
Haven't heard that one. I know of Leuke, an ocean nymph who was a lover of Hades's who simply lived out her life in the Underworld with him. When she died Hades turned her into a poplar, which became a significant symbol in ancient Greece. Its very sweet! There's also Minthe, who someone else mentioned. Do you know the name of thos other woman?
I love that in modern Hollywood movies they always wanna show Hades as a bad dude but hes legitimately one of the few caring gods in the entire pantheon. For others specifically, like hes one of the few who didnt cheat on his spouse wasnt overly wrathful and didnt just do anything specifically to cause suffering. I like to think he wanted to try and keep people alive simply because he didn't want to be bothered by spirits and people trying to get said spirits. Even then his challenges to get people back may have been difficult to even get to (your going to the king of the underworld to beg for something it should be difficult) understandably it was easier to get out with your reward
I interpreted it like he was more exasperated with people constantly trying to barge into his office demanding people back like he's the bad guy in all this despite the fact that the moirai were in charge of people's lifespans and fate. So he made it purposefully difficult to see him to cut down on that number but people were still bugging him on his lunchbreaks or in the bathroom. Heck he even gave Orpheus the simple challenge of walking back the way he came without looking back so he'd finally leave him alone, and Orpheus still cocked it up.
@@tokiwartooth9935 it’s reminds me of the Devils Carnival, when the Devil says to John “I am not in the business of killing innocent children, that’s Gods jurisdiction. My business is with the guilty.”
@@tokiwartooth9935 he is pretty charitable as well. When heracles went down to hades, Hades just gave him the soul of queen alcestis, the wife of his good friend, king admetes after being so moved by their love story.
Well damn, this inspired me to go back to Hades again. I more or less 100% completed it by the time I reached the end, played a few more times and saw a bit of this post-end story, but took a long break. I should finish up the last few achievements I have left to REALLY 100% it. The extra interactions are going to really be a great incentive and help break up some of the monotony.
The fact that there isn’t a voice line of Zeus telling Zag that he is Persephone’s father and that the reason he sent her to the underworld was so Hera wouldn’t throw another fit says something about his game.Zag has enough “family drama” to deal with he doesn’t need to unpack that
My headcanon is that she is still Zeus's daughter but he had sex with Demeter while disguised. He doesn't come forward with this because he can't pin the blame on anyone else and has already seen her fury in full action.
I think at one point hades and zagreous had a talk about Zeus's antics: Hades:you see zagreous it all started when Zeus started shape shifting in to different animals and sleeping with these poor women
You'll find all the women in Tartarus on Heras orders. Would've personally put them all much rather into Asphodel myself, you know, for being murdered by the aforementioned.
What I love is that both Hades and Zagreus share a very deep love and care to Persephone. When she returns from Olympus for the first time, Zagreus confesses he was worried she wasn’t going to return and Hades shares that he had the same concerns. I also love how Hades sounds harsh but actually has good advice buried under that rough tone. Reminds me of my own father
@@biggsdarklighter0473 Personally, I think Mel is either going to be a child of Hades and Hecate that he had with her after the big breakup with Persephone OR we're dealing with a "Parent Trap" situation where Zag and Mel were born as twins but one was revived in the underworld and bound to it while the other was revived by Hecate and probs bound to her by some magic BS.
@@i_are_gm122 she has features of both Hades, and Persephone, so her parentage is out of question. As for the rest... well, I suppose we shall see, it could be the case of us getting deeper into the Underworld instead of getting in from outside. And the thing is about Hades's lore: if you want to figure it out, you go and study the mythos. The lore so far sticks as close to them as possible
I personally like to believe they're blindsiding us, like the Hades we saw was actually an older Zag, because she only called him father she didn't specifically say Hades. I doubt it's true but my initial thought to the new protag was that was Zagreus and Meg's kid 😅
Hades telling his son that his temper is a bad frame of reference, is most correct Wanna talk about top 3 anger issue people on olimpus? Hera (by definition, the first yandere in the world) Aphrodite (try telling her you're not interested in romance. You won't live to tell the tale) And Persephone Oh, sure she may seem innocent, but the thorns on this flower cut soul, not just skin. She's referred to as dread Persephone for a reason Edit: Yes all of you who have responded to this are most correct All Gods in Greece had anger issues But; and I can't stress this enough as sexist as this was of Greece and its Gods, Female Gods were usually the ones with worse anger issues, compared to the male Gods I mean, I know hell have no fury, like woman scorn, but come on ancient Greece
zag: “wait, you’re not thinking of having more children, are you?” persephone: “haha, no. you’re plenty.” okay I’ll like to say something on that matter. we all know persephone and hades had melione (or whatever her name is), hence hades II. but, now that I think very hard about it, imagine zag being a big bro. DUDE. zag is adorable as is, but being an overprotective big bro who’d beat some ass for his little sister? YES PLEASE. in hades II I’d love to see zag as a mentor for melione just as achilles was a mentor for zag. I think that mel and zag would be absolutely ADORABLE together. I cant wait for hades II fr.
Zagreus: Wait... You're not thinking about having another kid are you? Persephone: Hahahaha, no, Zagreus, you're plenty. *Persephone lied as naturally as she breathed*
I like how Persephone's design change when she's in the Underworld. When on the surface she has a green dress and fairly normal Olympian look that fits her title of goddess of agriculture and vegetation. But then in the underworld, she ditch her green dress for a black one and her plants imegery for skulls, fully embracing her title of Queen of the Underworld by dressing in the same style and color palette as Hades himself.
Hades is a responsible god and a loyal husband. Persephone a wonderful wife to Hades and daughter to Demeter. no wonder they can work together so easily.
29:09 *Sad Hades noises* But even though the beginning of the game seemed to follow that dumbass trend of death god=asshole since death bad, and especially for Hades, the fact that Hades himself actually reflects his myths pretty well within reason is truly refreshing and lovely to see. Also, PersepHades goals. They’re so cute together.
The fact that Hades (King of the Underworld) still loves his son Zagreus as his wife Persephone (Queen of the Underworld). Also, don’t forget that Zagreus (Prince of the Underworld) has two older sisters Macaria (Nymph of the Underworld) and Melinoe (Princess of the Underworld).
Zagreus: Wait, you're not thinking of having anymore children are you? Persephone: hahaha, no you're plenty... *In legend, Persephone had more kids with Hades* Jokes on you Zagreus XD
I just wanna put my arms around this family and give them one big hug before each of them swiftly & efficiently eviscerates me for invading their personal space 🥰
You know that behind the whole king of the underworld tough guy schtick that hades puts on in this game that persephone is the one wearing the pants in that particular interpretation of their relationship and i love it. Then ofcourse meg definitely tops zag. Bottoms, the both of them. Like father like son after all. (Though zags probably a switch)
So apperently in the oldest mycanian greek version persephone was a underworld goddess with ties to plants. So in lie with keeping in part to that she is the wife of hades.
The garden conversation right after the credits can be basically summed up by the astronaut meme that's like Zagreus: wait, it's all mother being the top?! Persephone holding the gun: always has been
30 minutes. This video is nearly 30 minutes. For just two of the large supporting cast of characters, after the "main" story for Hades ends, you can get 30 minutes worth of additional scenes with them to further flesh out the relationships and story in general. Hades is such a phenomenal achievement.
Honestly, Persephone probably was not even considering having any more kids until the moment Zagreus mentioned it. Man probably accidentally lead to his own sister's conception. And how the reveal would go... Probably something like "Zagreus, would you come over here please?" "What is it you need mother? And what's that you're holding there?" "Well, remember that time you asked me about wanting to have more kids?" "Yes, you told me you weren't planning on having any more. But why being that up so suddenly?" "Well, once you mentioned it, the thought just wouldn't leave my head. Your father was rather hesitant when I brought it up, but after reminding him how great of a son he's raised already..." "What? Wait, no! You didn't! You couldn't! Y-You actually mean to tell me-" "Zagreus, meet your new baby sister."
Post HADES 2 edit: Congratulations to the happy couple on their second kid :D
apparently people outside the fandom are watching this so: yes this is from a game, it's called Hades, you're spoiling yourself on basically the ending of the main plotline. hope you enjoy your stay
I know it's good but seeing this made we want to save up and buy a copy to personally experience (that and I've already wikidived Hades so watching this isn't much of a spoiler 👌)
I'm fine with that, because now I want to play the game and see how we got here
don't care, could listen to a lovelly story from finish to start or any point
Never gonna be able to play this so might aswell spoil it
Now let's be fair... this is kinda awesome, and I still want to play it for the asskick that the game has to offer.
"What's your problem with Uncle Zeus?"
"You want the short version, or the 20 volume list of grievances?"
If you pick the short version, we'd be here for about...5 minutes. You want the whole explanation we gonna have to have a whole day for me to air my grievances.
@@astralguardian5930a whole day? Try a whole month telling Zeus' sexcapades
@@erichfiedler1481that is just the ones who agreed, the ones who didn't or where mislead are a couple years
(Picks out a book) which one do you wish to hear first? The one with the bull or the one with golden rain?”
“Father, did uncle Zeus pee on Aunt Hera?”
“Oh, fates. I wish it were that simple.”
Zagreus: (traumatised for life and sits in the corner swinging in a traumatic way)
The mental image of Hades carefully maintaining his wifes garden while she was gone is just adorable
The gardening tools are way too small so he holds them with 2 finger tips
@@nathanbrown7906 he should had secretly comissioned daedalus some custom tools for him and told no soul about it (most people in the house would know about it but not say anything though)
@@unkindled6410 it's his magnum opus, the sharpest blades in the universe used as garden shear's
Whats the problem with uncle Zeus?
Hades: Sighs- Where to begin?
DEADPANSTARE
Hang on, I'm too sober for this conversation.
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Hades: and then he turns himself into a fackin goose!
Persephone: You mean swan
Hades: He called it a goose because the next thing he said to this lady was ‘Hey baby! The Zeus Goose is Loose and ready to give you his Goose Zeus *_JUICE!_*
@@Abdega i almost choked laughing dfsajkfdasjkfasjk
@@Abdega the worst part is I can actually see Zeus saying exactly that. Word for word.
The F***boy of the century.
Hehehe, Demeter be like "I do not completely aprove of that union _but_ I shall accept it because my grandson is a cuttie
Demeter: Say Zagreus, did you ever hear the old saying 'Grandparents and grandchildren get along so well because they have a common enemy?’
Zagreus: Do tell … 😏
I mean…he is 🥰
Classic grandmother behavior.
@@Abdega Hades: 😒
Persephone: And she wonders why I never told her. 🤦♀️
The way she calls him little sprout even before she found out he was her grandson that was rather cute
As someone who knows what hades did to a certain brothers who tried to kidnap persephone I assure you that hades is a chad
there are even fan theories (including a gamecanon-compliant fanfic with Theseus) that Persephone is the one who came up with the punishment
Oh yeah, Theseus and Pirithous 100% deserved that.
@@selenopheria That’s for sure. They even had plans for Helen of Troy, who, by that point, was only like ten years old.
@@Savagewolver Mmhmmm. The brothers wanted to marry daughters of Zeus, which Helen was. Theseus settled on her and when she wound up being a child, they're just like "well she won't STAY a kid..." The plan was to keep her until she was...legal. HEUGH
@@selenopheria
Or, rather, until she was “fertile.”
I love how Hades, even after all those years apart, asks Persephone "Is everything to your liking? If there's anything you need, I'll make it so". He's a big guy, who has an even bigger heart for the woman he's madly in love with.
That part was so charming
Zagreus: "Wait, you're not thinking of having more children are you?"
Persephone: Hahahaha, no. you're plenty.
Hades 2: hi hello you already have a sister.
As the saying goes: Persephone lied ass naturally as she breathed
"So that was a fucking lie"
True
Considering Athena was effectively born on accident from just Zeus randomly thinking "a woman in armor... THAT'S HOT!!!" having more children whose existence she's unaware of wouldn't be surprising.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's Zagreus's daughter in this canon though considering she apparently is trying to assasinate Kronos, the concept of time in prison to save her father.
@@elixxon
Hades: *Saw Persephone cuddling beside him when he wakes up*
Hades, thinking to himself: "Man, my wife is beautiful."
(Hades feels something poking out of his forehead)
Hades, softly: "Oh no"
"I get the sense he acts a bit impulsively at times, and deals with the consequences later."
You don't know the half of it, Zagreus.
It's an apt summary though. Except Zeus isn't usually the one who gets the consequences in a meaningful way.
Understatement of the Century
Zeus has at least a hundred children that he barely even interacts with. He’s too busy giving the milk if you know what I mean
@@miavika1074 Moooo
ZUUUUEEEES
I think what I love the most is that you can tell how disgusted Hades is with what Zeus did. Even if he loves Persephone, he also respects her enough to be disgusted with Zeus treating her like an object. Love it
L
King behavior
@@lanceelopezz223 ancee Lopezz
Plus it would incur the rather of Diameter :^)
Ironic, considering that Hades asked for Zeus to help him abduct Persephone in the orginal story
My favorite part about the stellar character writing is that after you see the credits, Hades' and Zagreus' mid-battle banter feels WAY healthier. Like as if they're venting all of the decades of frustration and tension out as they fight.
Nothing beat working out with your parents.
“So, boy, how’s your day been?”
“It’s been quite alright!”
“That’s unfortunate for you, because I’m about to change that.”
I almost threw a fight once because I was laughing so hard at Hades arguing with Zagreus not cleaning his room. It's so strange how a scenario i thought was so dramatic and sad could be changed just by a few voicelines.
Saw video, where in one moment of the fight they simple star joking around with each other, it's a bit silly comments about persephone, but i don't know know, i love it it's make look like they actually really father and son!
@@FredwardDrawn
"Why are you not cleaning your chambers with such ferocity?"
"What, so they look like your boring chambers?"
"You take that back about my chambers!"
"Boring, i say."
“no you’re plenty”
melinoe: so anyway i was born
And maybe macharia on the way
"True rivals for Hera and me!" ... Zeus buddy, those two beat your relationship by a long shot. You've cheated on her more times than you can count. Don't think Hades ever did that.
Not to mention that when someone attempts to sway either Hades or Persephone, the other tends to either tie them to chairs for eternity, or worse
If someone was to kidnap Hera I’d be willing to bet that Zeus would have to be told his wife is missing before he did anything about it
my headcanon is that when Zag relayed that to his parents, Persephone laughed so hard she melted onto the floor, while Hades did a slow facepalm
Long shot... 720 one mile no scope, yep.
More times than I've eaten bread
Well he did once. But persephone did to so it equals out
What I love most about all those interactions is that Hermes is always hinting that he knows exactly what's going on, like when he talked about how he found it interesting that pomegranate seeds keep you in Hades' realm and how much he enjoyed the pomegranates he ate while there. He's so cheeky with it all.
He is the Messenger.
This is why you pay your messenger the top Obol.
well he was the one who bought Persephone!
@@hirahiro2331 yes but that role also belongs to Hekate. I find it interesting that she wasn't included in the game. Though it's very fitting that Hermes always knows what's going on.
@@Donnetellotheturtle. in this version?
The second interaction has always been a favorite. The idea that Hades actually feels more offended at the idea that Zag didn’t know something rather than him diverting the conversation elsewhere. And he does explain why there is all this grievance and makes it where even Zag can understand it and not misinterpret the story.
Hades is actually a very sincere dude. Yes, he's stubborn, grumpy, and uptight, but he cares to maintain his domain and tend to those in his employ. Never directly, but he's a good dude overall.
@@ByrneBaby he's like a strict boss who is actually very nice, which he rarely shows to anyone, since he has a reputation to uphold.
@@ByrneBaby well he is the most powerful god unlike his brothers who have to overcompensate for everything he just needs to keep his house in order since everyone becomes his subject in the end and his also the god of wealth since all gems and metals come from the ground. i can also understand why he wanted to keep his kid away from the olympians theres like maybe 3-4 good ones out of all of them.
@@Kris-wo4pj I´m counting Hestia, anyone else?
@@Kris-wo4pj It is pretty easy to not be that grumpy towards Hades when one has some knowledge about mythology. Or at least Zeus'... uh... adventures.
I love how in the actual legends Hades is absolutely head over heels for Persephone and was devoted to making her happy when he wasn't busy.
He is absolutely a loving husband despite the circumstances of how he married Persephone and this is the couple goal I aspire to.
I mean, he did cheat on Persephone with a woman named Minthe in some versions of the story
But yeah, compared to literally everybody in greek mythology, his relationship with his wife is pretty good
@@mcspankies2993 I'm pretty sure Minthe was either an ex he dumped after meeting persephone or it like an open relationship thing going on and persephone was fine with it until minthe started boasting about how she was better than persephone or something.
@@rumaisa9263 I mean minthe was just a naiad nymph who became hades`s mistress and boasted that she surpassed persophone and got the shit for it
@@mcspankies2993 And that's how we got mint plant... According to some sources....
A healthy and alive family relationship portrayed in media, how rare, in most story if not one of the parents asshole they are dead
I think the main draw of their dynamic is that it isn't all healthy, but the unhealthy parts are actively acknowledged by the characters, and the story doesn't romanticize or put it down
@@diethylmalonate still the most healthiest by far. Hades of course not being a cheating bastard
@@diethylmalonate That's what makes it healthy. The fact that they address the dark sides of themselves in the relationship, but yet they work around and even improve.
Technically, they’re all dead.
Get it?
I’ll find a door.
Not that rare.
Seeing Zagreus and Hades being kinda awkward around Persephone is rather touching. One had to hide the truth and go on everyday like he wasn’t heartbroken, yet now is reunited with the only woman whom makes his heart flutter, and the other is just getting used to the fact he’s the son of two very unique and remarkable people whose love couldn’t happen under ideal circumstances.
Also, “Kore”. Gods I love the mythology that’s being referenced whenever this game is played
Something tells me a writer was a fan of a certain old fic of Heracles 1997 whom loved to use the Kore name and introduced Hades/Persephone to many kids.
@@falconeshield what is this fic?
@@falconeshield well dont leave us hanging, what’s the fic?
@@theoverlord3937i think thry mean the old disney hercules film but i don't think persephone/kore shows up
Zeus and Poseidon : Uncle
Demeter : Granny
Thanatos : homie
Cereberus : big Doggo
Dionysus: boyfriend
Hermes: bae
than does not have to be a homie
Wait a minute, Dionysus is the homie, then thanatos is the boyfried
Zeus is both uncle and grandpa actually, except in Minoan and Mycanean culture from what we've gathered. Poseidon was top God then and was in the father role. Overly Sacastic Productions did excellent videos on the matter
@@diethylmalonate Dionysus as Zagreus's boyfriend makes me uncomfortable...I prefer him as homie.
Zagreas: whats your problem with uncle zeus?
Hades:.....clear your schedule. This is not a short story.
I love how Zeus is so overly-proud that he feels the need to say that Hades and Persephone _'rival' him and Hera as a power couple._
I'm shocked how much of the story of Hades and Persephone has been kept in. Of course they couldn't really add all of it due to let's say less then sacred subject matter but they did make a true effort to stick to the original legend.
I mean in the original legend she just stumbled into the Underworld and got lost... The kidnapping was added later.
@@patrickbuckley7259 I think they were referring to all the incest, since technically Persephone is Hades’ niece by BOTH Zeus and Demeter, but they took that aspect out
@@HinataElyonToph OK, fair...
@@HinataElyonToph isn’t Zeus being her dad only in one version?
@@patrickbuckley7259 Oh, that version was actually made up recently (around 1978) in book "Lost goddesses of early Greece". The book "claims" it's pre-patriarchal *but* with no primary sources to back it up, making it essentially a fan fiction.
Not that I have any issues with fanfictions, or the Dreaded death bringer. Just... bringing up fanfictions when discussing canon is something I've grew to hate.
The fact that Zagreus subtly expresses separation anxiety when Persephone leaves to visit Olympus, and then when he's relieved that she's back Hades ALSO confesses subtly to having separation anxiety... for one thing it's real cute that they end up bonding over how much they both love Persephone, but also it's such a good little detail to show how her leaving the first time scarred both of them at least a little and that they actually struggle to trust that she won't leave again. Really adds a depth to her character and her story and makes her a lot less than perfect in the eyes of the narrative.
Something tells me that all, if not most, of the inhabitants of the underworld have separation anxiety when the Dread Queen Persephone leaves. The Cthonians all seem to carry fond memories of her with them.
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference"
That's facts, Hades was one of the most reasonable and level headed olympians in the original myths.
It's probably foreshadowing for Chronos
Well until he hears what Zeus did cause it just makes him spit his coffee in discuss
“Your not thinking about having more children are you?!”
“Hahaha,no. Your plenty.”
*Hades 2 trailer drops*
C A P AND A HALF
Considering how heavy the story is in Hades (which can be summed up as a long journey of a kid to reunite his separated parents), I wonder what type of story they think can match or top that in a sequel. Given the aforementioned heavy story, I figured Hades as being a one-shot.
@@Y.MoroboshiWelp the story that the playtest is giving its pretty interesting
Zagreus: "You're not thinking of having more children are you?"
Persephone: "No, you're plenty!"
Melinoe from the future: >:)
there is also makaria so, yeah..... maybe she just doesn't know how it works lol. Honestly wouldn't be surprised
@@dioshoes9096 I'm sorry for asking, since I'm the only one who doesn't know, but don't Thanatos and makaria share the same area of expertise? Given that both take care of predominantly nonviolent deaths?
(For those who don't know, Ker (Thanatos' Sister) or the Keren take Care of the violent deaths), so I thought thanatos' responsibility were the non-violent deaths.
@@biggsdarklighter0473Macaria’s domain is blessed death which I can understand the potential overlap with Thanatos since he handles nonviolent death. From what I understand from my previous research, which I’ll admit now might be rusty: Macaria is more of a psychopomp for those who were throughly innocent (like young children) or throughly “blessed”, like those who lived throughly fulfilled lives, or those who, for a lack of a better term, are saintly. She would be the ones to transport beloved/non hypocritical priests and priestesses or innocent youth lost too soon, or your most charitable/honestly good member of your community. She transports the truly beloved/blessed of souls (the definition of such tends to fluctuate but ultimately means they were beyond argument/reproach on their character or positive contributions to the world) She transports those who ultimately deserve to basically skip the Hades line to go straight to either Elysium or, in most sources I find about her, the isles/islands of the blessed. Basically she’s “may you go in blessedness, instead of suffering and utter destruction”. Sometimes she does overlap with Thanatos but they differ when it comes to the soul they transport. There are plenty of horrible people who manage to die nonviolently and there are plenty of good souls who die senselessly to violence. An example I’ll pull out of my ass would be Robin Williams. I’d imagine he’d be a good contender for Macaria. I googled him, I’ve heard nothing but glowing stories about the man and I admired his work as well. I had to actively search for controversy that might tarnish that eligibility. You know those memes where the grim reaper is taking the soul of a dog and telling them they were the best of boys/girls after the dog asks if they did good? That would probably be Macaria. Hopefully this gives you a good idea of what Macaria does.
EDIT: Another way to define Macaria is as a death Goddess who handles souls who require more care and kindness than Thanatos can provide.
@@brookepreaseau7337 So an example from the game could be Patroclus / Achilles? Both are lauded as heroes by the game
@@UltimaDoombotMK1 I am honestly unsure about that…. from what I remember think she’s more along the lines of the children or long suffering but good people (illness or otherwise). Basically, she’s deals in the souls who deserve/need more care and kindness than what can already be found with Thanatos. The heroes you mentioned I imagine probably wouldn’t need such care. I gave plenty of examples of what I think roughly covers what’s she covers in a previous comment. Also being war heroes and the context of their deaths might put them under the Keres (embodiment of violent death) domain. Macaria is kinda difficult to pin point because there are no myths about her and her domain is shaky to fully translate/succinctly explain. It isn’t helped by the fact that Thanatos and the Keres by the factual coverage of their domains (nonviolent death and violent death respectively) don’t leave a lot of room for Macaria pin point her domain in an easily understood way. There is a reason people wonder if Thanatos and Macaria essentially have the same job or overlap. I gave my rough idea as to what she’s does and who she handles in a previous comment. Yeah those heroes you mentioned could be argued as contributed good to the world but remember Macaria seems to be more of a Peaceful kind of death Goddess. I also mentioned the meaning of Blessed death is a pain in the ass to explain. The term “Blessed” could be used towards specific people, like those in the priesthood or exceptionally morally good people, or used generally like most/all can be called “the blessed ones” in death. Let’s not even touch canonical timelines with gods because I have no clue whether Macaria even existed (conceptually or otherwise) at the time of the Trojan War. That’s one of the difficulties of researching more minor gods/goddesses, they either have no surviving myths and have only simple information on them or they likely were just more easily “understood” in the past than in the present. In Ancient Greece, depending on regional worship, people probably just knew/understood what Macaria did. There is cultural context or information missing to us in the present. While we struggle to define her because Greek mythology is very old and naturally sometimes things are lost to time or in translation. Hell, maybe I’m wrong and Macaria WAS only known as the daughter of Hades and goddess of Blessed death in Ancient Greece and there’s nothing else outside of the Eleusinian mysteries. Fun Fact: if you google Macaria you’ll also find results of the daughter of Heracles also named Macaria.
"What's your problem with Uncle Zeus?"
Zagreus, mah man. If ONLY you knew all the weird shit your uncle caused.
Weird Shit is just the name of volume 1 of the series The Problems With Zeus.
@@coltonwilliams4153 "You want me to start listing them out boy?"
@@coltonwilliams4153 of a 50 book series and it's still going
I have some shades keeping track of it, ask Homer or Vergil.
Well uncle/grandad/dad
I feel like the one thing no one has acknowledged beyond the “ha ha no one knows what time it is” is that the illumination in the Tartarus comes from “the light of ixion.” Ixion being a mortal/demigod tied to a flaming wheel forever spinning from the ceiling.
ah yes the light up ceiling fan
Wow. What in Tartarus did he do to end up like that? I know Hades and Persephone. They don’t hand out punishments like that unless the idiots in question deserved it, so there’s got to be a story attached.
@@coltonwilliams4153 least from what I could find out Ixion was a king who was invited up to Olympus as a guest by Zeus after murdering his father-in-law, and he abused that favor by trying to seduce Hera. So Zeus switched out Hera for a cloud and so Ixion essentially gave birth to centaurs. As punishment, Zeus was the one who bound him onto the fiery wheel (either in the sky or the underworld).
@@BlazinVoid59 because... cloud plus guy equals centaur... I've loved greek myth since as long as I could remember and yet it still manages to surprise me??
Yeah, the parental biology can get rather weird in Greek Mythology. I mean, look at Typhon and Echidna. Two relatively humanoid beings besides the snake parts and Typhon being absolutely colossal, produced many multiheaded animals, perfect animal combinations and monsters for children.
As someone who's relationship with his father was strained for a long time, I really found myself invested in the relationship between Zagreus and Hades. I could really connect to the whole aspect of "Love each other but both are too stubborn to admit it", because for most of my life that's how it was with my father and I; which made the eventual resolution of Hades and Zagreus beginning to work on connecting to one another and patching their relationship all the more sweet to me, as I saw it as a mirror to how my Dad and I began to grow closer as I aged and we worked on our relationship. So talk about immersion!
Same here. My father and i disagree on a lot of things, him being a typical russian conservative (and raising me that way) and me growing up with more western ideals, but we at least reached the point, where arguments end on a "you got your truth and i got mine" point.
Zagreus: "Wait, you're not thinking of having more children, are you?"
Persephone: *laughs* "No. You're plenty."
Me remembering that Hades and Persephone in the myths also have twin daughters, Melinoe and Macaria: "Are you sure about that?"
Plus, I think Zagreus would make a great loving and protective older brother
whoops, turns out they had melinoe after all!
@@elilass8410 Yes! I hope Zagreus makes at least an appearance in the new game
@@sydneecook400 Zag might be taking care of the underworld. Hades seems to be in Cronos' belly.
Yo check out the trailer of Hades 2 :D
Big brother Zagreus is going to be the most wholesome thing ever.
I like that hades starts being more open after persephone comes home. Like he's still grumpy af and has no patience for zag's shenanigans but those are valid reactions and at least he's learned that open communication is better than shutting the people in his life out
Always respected Hades and Persephone. They practically own and manage THE homeless shelter for all the dead beings of the world. I would like to think that with so much experience and close interaction with the dead, they'd heavily sympathize with all creatures with all kinds of stories, traumas, regrets, and hopes. It's like seeing people in the frontlines of humanitarian services... and then there's Zeus on his divine mountaintop resort with his family every once in a while having the equivalent of telenovela dramas.
By all accounts, Hades ran the Underworld like an accountant, or something like that. He was fair, and he could be swayed emotionally, but it was difficult, as he was mostly business. Persephone was the one you wanted to appeal to on the emotional level. Although that also meant that when she felt you should be punished, it was infinitely worse than anything Hades would come up with. They didn’t call her Dread Persephone for nothing.
For Real, that is the afterlife I'm hoping for. Instead of being thrown into the fire for god knows how long, before having all my whims cared for. Just do not be an absolute asshole, and you get a decent afterlife.
And there are a few examples of Hades just helping the dead out because their story touched him so much! Perfect example, Eurydice and Orpheus. He was so moved by the song Orpheus gave that he gave the couple a chance to be together again although the outcome was tragic. Another is Heracles where again, Hades was so moved by Heracles going through the trouble of trying to resurrect, I believe his friend's wife, that he just let's Heracles do it. Hell, when Heracles had to do his labors, Hades literally went, "Oh you want Cerberus? Alright but please give him back by this amount of time." Gotta love the big softie
So wholesome, and in the Myths there were a lot of snippets of Hades playing with Persephone to keep her entertained, like jack stone with rare gems, Hades was freaking loaded as the king of the underworld and since precious metal and rare gems are found underground he is actually considered the richest god, in some stories
I think the, "wealth beneath the earth," aspect may have been a Roman retcon, by it's one that makes sense.
Bling Bling.
@@bthsr7113 I find it extra funny since Hades is portrayed as Spartan in nature, often snarking and complaining when Zagreus puts in a work contract to pretty the place up.
I feel it’s him projecting a bit, as deep down he loves gems and precious metals, but doesn’t want anyone to know he has a soft spot for anything.
@@stingerjohnny9951
It also might just be Hades showing much more maturity than...pretty much every other god. He has unmatched wealth but isn't petty enough to make a big deal out of it or flaunt it.
It's definitely more of a Roman thing. Plutocracy is the word for a government run by money because Pluto, the Roman aspect of Hades, had so many gems.
Hades was never a bad guy in the myths like when Heracles came to get Cerberus he just gave him up as long as he was returned
The more I learn about hades the more I like him
@@samuraitadpole5459 Then you're gonna love this bit here
- Apparently Cerberus can be translated as either "spotted one" or "mottled one", in other words Hades named his dog "Spot".
@@rgfs8881 Oh wow i like Hades even more now.
"Hey uncle can I take Cerberus out on a walk?" "Huh? Yeah sure Frisbee and leash are at the door." "Cool thx unc"
@@lathyrusloon King: You must bring the legendary Hellhound before me!
Heracles: Cerby, who wants walkies?!
'they are easy to maintain!'
Yeah, yeah the tears of a god will do that
YES my thoughts exactly
Except Hades cries gemstones in some myths...
@@patrickbuckley7259 and sometimes iron which I interpret as iron chloride. Incidentally that's a either green or yellow solution, so kind of like liquid gemstones..?
@@diethylmalonate maybe the underworld soil is usually really low in iron and other essential nutrients?
So the big guy just fertilized them with his sobbing
Demeter before epilouge: I WILL GUT YOU HADES.
Demeter post epilouge: Sweetest grandmother ever.
such is the nature of winter.
I love how the last scene hints about Hades 2. "You aren't thinking about having more children are you?"
I put it there just because I felt Persephone saying "we love each other" is a nice way to end the video off... And then the announcement happened xD
“Our best… that, I can promise you.”
God, this line still makes me feel good, just hearing it.
Hades is the most honest and hard working god in Greek mythology.
The fact we haven't heard about zombies is proof
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference"
referencing the fact that out of all the olympian gods, Hades is actually one of the most chill.
He just was having tantrums from not having Persephone by his side, so if anything Zagreus pretty much just saw Hades at his worst and assumed that his usual attitude.
“True rivals for Hera and me!”
Around 40% of the greek population, 70% of every woman out there - god or human - and Hera would disagree with you
Actually I'd say the other 60% of the Greek population. Zeus was known to have... escapades, shall we say, with any and all genders. He's quite literally the definition of "any hole's a goal."
Poseidon has bedded two more women than Zeus. It's just that nobody knows his wife, which is why his stories seem less scandalous.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 I'm pretty sure that's mostly because his wife wasn't quite literally goddess of marriage and oaths.
@@magicrainbowkitties1023 yeah, that too
@@biggsdarklighter0473
I'm still like 90% convinced that Poseidon and ampithrite have an open marriage. Gods of the ocean, and the sea can't be bound or contained and all that
I love how this game portrays Hades, that's how I imagine him, he Could be stern and seem unyielding and insensible as well as Grim and gloomy, but deep down he has a good and generous heart, he's My absolute favorite Greek God, plus Hades and Persephone are My OTP of Greek Mythology.
DUDE SAME
My kin!
I just love how this depiction of Hades is just a loving tsundere dad and husband who also needs to get shit done.
"Dionysus alone would bring ruin to this place!" Lol
Zagreus like: "Wait what was that about pomegranates?!" As he figures out why he dies when he tries to stay above ground.
Well not really. Cthonic deities are bound to the underworld. Zagreus was born of the underworld and thus he is of the Underworld. Even Hades himself cannot stay above ground for too long lest he suffer the same fate as Zagreus.
Hades did have a first love, she fell into one of the cursed Rivers of the underworld and turned into a plant..
Most people in Greek mythology seem to do that. The plant part. Falling in a river is somehow less seen.
@@leunam3004 All three nymphs of the underworld end up as plants... The one I just mentioned, thene Minth who earned her fate by tryin to mack on Hades in front of Persephone. Dread Persephone was not amused. There is one other as well, but I am too unfamiliar with that myth.
Can you blame the guy for not wanting to fall in love again?
@@falconeshield Considering how normally people in greek myths end up, no I won't.
Haven't heard that one. I know of Leuke, an ocean nymph who was a lover of Hades's who simply lived out her life in the Underworld with him. When she died Hades turned her into a poplar, which became a significant symbol in ancient Greece. Its very sweet! There's also Minthe, who someone else mentioned. Do you know the name of thos other woman?
He’s a push over when it comes to Persephone XD
Hades's Persephone is so smart!
She is the Queen of the Underworld and Hades' wife for a reason
I love that in modern Hollywood movies they always wanna show Hades as a bad dude but hes legitimately one of the few caring gods in the entire pantheon. For others specifically, like hes one of the few who didnt cheat on his spouse wasnt overly wrathful and didnt just do anything specifically to cause suffering. I like to think he wanted to try and keep people alive simply because he didn't want to be bothered by spirits and people trying to get said spirits. Even then his challenges to get people back may have been difficult to even get to (your going to the king of the underworld to beg for something it should be difficult) understandably it was easier to get out with your reward
I interpreted it like he was more exasperated with people constantly trying to barge into his office demanding people back like he's the bad guy in all this despite the fact that the moirai were in charge of people's lifespans and fate. So he made it purposefully difficult to see him to cut down on that number but people were still bugging him on his lunchbreaks or in the bathroom. Heck he even gave Orpheus the simple challenge of walking back the way he came without looking back so he'd finally leave him alone, and Orpheus still cocked it up.
@@tokiwartooth9935 it’s reminds me of the Devils Carnival, when the Devil says to John “I am not in the business of killing innocent children, that’s Gods jurisdiction. My business is with the guilty.”
@@tokiwartooth9935 he is pretty charitable as well. When heracles went down to hades, Hades just gave him the soul of queen alcestis, the wife of his good friend, king admetes after being so moved by their love story.
Hades is just the right guy having a bad day at the wrong place at the wrong time it's sad as Zeus made this propoganda to harm a simple god
Well damn, this inspired me to go back to Hades again. I more or less 100% completed it by the time I reached the end, played a few more times and saw a bit of this post-end story, but took a long break. I should finish up the last few achievements I have left to REALLY 100% it. The extra interactions are going to really be a great incentive and help break up some of the monotony.
Would you recommend the game? How does it play?
The fact that there isn’t a voice line of Zeus telling Zag that he is Persephone’s father and that the reason he sent her to the underworld was so Hera wouldn’t throw another fit says something about his game.Zag has enough “family drama” to deal with he doesn’t need to unpack that
The devs rewrote Persephone to be Iasion's son to cut down on the incest lol (he's Demeter's mortal lover)
@@diethylmalonate yea but just imagine if they went the other way with it LOL 🤣
My headcanon is that she is still Zeus's daughter but he had sex with Demeter while disguised. He doesn't come forward with this because he can't pin the blame on anyone else and has already seen her fury in full action.
@@diethylmalonate oh sweet so in this, Persephone is a Demi? hm...so Zagreus is 3/4 God?
I'm guessing Corythus and Electra are Iasion's parents then
I love Zagreus fearing being a big brother - don’t wanna share, huh, Zagreus?
"you are not thinking of having more children are you?" she was, in fact, thinking about having more children
I think at one point hades and zagreous had a talk about Zeus's antics:
Hades:you see zagreous it all started when Zeus started shape shifting in to different animals and sleeping with these poor women
There is a comment further Up in the comment section about this and it is gold.
Lets Just say goose zeus 😉
You'll find all the women in Tartarus on Heras orders. Would've personally put them all much rather into Asphodel myself, you know, for being murdered by the aforementioned.
"Hahaha, no. You're plenty"
then proceeds to gave birth Melinoe. I'm willing to bet its the Ambrosias that Zag's been giving out to her
What I love is that both Hades and Zagreus share a very deep love and care to Persephone. When she returns from Olympus for the first time, Zagreus confesses he was worried she wasn’t going to return and Hades shares that he had the same concerns.
I also love how Hades sounds harsh but actually has good advice buried under that rough tone. Reminds me of my own father
This is so cute~
Persephone:No more kids.
Everyone after the trailer at the game awards:So that was a fucking lie.
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference."
Ain't that the truth.
My favorite detail will always be that he kept her pomegranate trees because he missed her
Zeus: "true rivals to Hera and me!"
YEAH BUT THE BAR IS IN THE UNDERWORLD
Nah, the Bar is in the Void.
*29:05*
Zag: “Wait, you’re not planning on having any more children, are you?”
Persephone: “No, you’re plenty.”
Well that was a lie
they probably made Melinoe after the party-
@@nieryreva8280 but Melinoe is trying to get into the underworld, so somewhat true? By being absent as a mother, I mean.
@@biggsdarklighter0473 Personally, I think Mel is either going to be a child of Hades and Hecate that he had with her after the big breakup with Persephone OR we're dealing with a "Parent Trap" situation where Zag and Mel were born as twins but one was revived in the underworld and bound to it while the other was revived by Hecate and probs bound to her by some magic BS.
@@i_are_gm122 she has features of both Hades, and Persephone, so her parentage is out of question. As for the rest... well, I suppose we shall see, it could be the case of us getting deeper into the Underworld instead of getting in from outside. And the thing is about Hades's lore: if you want to figure it out, you go and study the mythos. The lore so far sticks as close to them as possible
I personally like to believe they're blindsiding us, like the Hades we saw was actually an older Zag, because she only called him father she didn't specifically say Hades. I doubt it's true but my initial thought to the new protag was that was Zagreus and Meg's kid 😅
Hades telling his son that his temper is a bad frame of reference, is most correct
Wanna talk about top 3 anger issue people on olimpus?
Hera (by definition, the first yandere in the world)
Aphrodite (try telling her you're not interested in romance. You won't live to tell the tale)
And Persephone
Oh, sure she may seem innocent, but the thorns on this flower cut soul, not just skin.
She's referred to as dread Persephone for a reason
Edit:
Yes all of you who have responded to this are most correct
All Gods in Greece had anger issues
But; and I can't stress this enough
as sexist as this was of Greece and its Gods,
Female Gods were usually the ones with worse anger issues, compared to the male Gods
I mean, I know hell have no fury, like woman scorn, but come on ancient Greece
Don't forget about Athena. Look up the stories for Arachne and ESPECIALLY Medusa.
@@ChompDude The Medusa one you’re referencing isn’t her original version. The older Medusa says that she and her sisters were ALWAYS monsters.
Calling Hera the first Yandere In the world is simultaneously completely accurate and cursed at the same time
@@DMDarren Some truths are hard to accept. That's why you never dig too deep in the fountain of knowledge.
@@Alphapkmn yeah, medusa, esteno and euriale where always monsters, the only thing that athena did was puting the snakes on medusa's head
I love how Hades melts completely to Persephone's will its so cute
Persephone to Zagerus after asking if they want more kids: *laughs* No, you're plenty.
Melione from HADES II: Bet
zag: “wait, you’re not thinking of having more children, are you?”
persephone: “haha, no. you’re plenty.”
okay I’ll like to say something on that matter.
we all know persephone and hades had melione (or whatever her name is), hence hades II. but, now that I think very hard about it, imagine zag being a big bro. DUDE. zag is adorable as is, but being an overprotective big bro who’d beat some ass for his little sister? YES PLEASE. in hades II I’d love to see zag as a mentor for melione just as achilles was a mentor for zag. I think that mel and zag would be absolutely ADORABLE together. I cant wait for hades II fr.
Zagreus: Wait... You're not thinking about having another kid are you?
Persephone: Hahahaha, no, Zagreus, you're plenty.
*Persephone lied as naturally as she breathed*
Hearing Hades say boy gives me so much GOW 4 Kratos vibes
12:51
I could listen to the deep voice of Logan Cunningham echoing through a large chamber forever. His voice at the end of the new trailer gave me chills.
I thought I was the only one! I love his voice for Hades so much!
Zagreus: you gonna have any more kids soon?
Persephone: waaaaaa nahhhhh youre plenty!
2023: So that was a fcking lie then.
I like how Persephone's design change when she's in the Underworld.
When on the surface she has a green dress and fairly normal Olympian look that fits her title of goddess of agriculture and vegetation.
But then in the underworld, she ditch her green dress for a black one and her plants imegery for skulls, fully embracing her title of Queen of the Underworld by dressing in the same style and color palette as Hades himself.
That last line, lol. Hades has at least one daughter. Soooooo, yeah, zaggy, you're going to be busy keeping your uncles away from her soon.
Imagine me when they did have a kid in the newer game
"You're not thinking about having more children, are you?"
"Hahahahaha, no. You're plenty!"
As Charles Dickens would say, "accidents _will_ happen~"
Melinoe was anything but accident!
"No, you're plenty"
Zagreus: so that was a fuckin lie
"youre not planning on having more children are you?"
"haha no, youre plenty"
so that was a lie
Melinoe sais Hi
Hades is a responsible god and a loyal husband. Persephone a wonderful wife to Hades and daughter to Demeter. no wonder they can work together so easily.
29:05 so about that no more children Persephone...
"you know Zagreus I wasn't thinking of that, but now that you asked..."
Zagreus being suprised that his Father is loyal to only One is Fresh Air.
Zagreus: your not planning on having anymore children are you
Persephone: no you're all plenty....
Zagreus: alrig- wait... all?
The ending is funny now that we know Zag has a sister in Hades 2.
"No, you're plenty!" Melinoe: "Am I a joke to you?"
29:09 *Sad Hades noises*
But even though the beginning of the game seemed to follow that dumbass trend of death god=asshole since death bad, and especially for Hades, the fact that Hades himself actually reflects his myths pretty well within reason is truly refreshing and lovely to see.
Also, PersepHades goals. They’re so cute together.
The fact that Hades (King of the Underworld) still loves his son Zagreus as his wife Persephone (Queen of the Underworld). Also, don’t forget that Zagreus (Prince of the Underworld) has two older sisters Macaria (Nymph of the Underworld) and Melinoe (Princess of the Underworld).
Zagreus: Wait, you're not thinking of having anymore children are you?
Persephone: hahaha, no you're plenty...
*In legend, Persephone had more kids with Hades*
Jokes on you Zagreus XD
Also Hades 2.
How are we feeling lmao
I just wanna put my arms around this family and give them one big hug before each of them swiftly & efficiently eviscerates me for invading their personal space 🥰
God coming back to this after Hades 2 is so fucking sad. Persephone was robbed of BOTH her childrens upbringings. She never got to be a mother.
You know that behind the whole king of the underworld tough guy schtick that hades puts on in this game that persephone is the one wearing the pants in that particular interpretation of their relationship and i love it. Then ofcourse meg definitely tops zag. Bottoms, the both of them. Like father like son after all. (Though zags probably a switch)
So apperently in the oldest mycanian greek version persephone was a underworld goddess with ties to plants. So in lie with keeping in part to that she is the wife of hades.
The garden conversation right after the credits can be basically summed up by the astronaut meme that's like
Zagreus: wait, it's all mother being the top?!
Persephone holding the gun: always has been
@@diethylmalonate she ain't called dread queen Persephone for nothing.
@@Wilsontripplets Check out OSP's Persephone/Deponia video.
@@bthsr7113 i have
30 minutes.
This video is nearly 30 minutes.
For just two of the large supporting cast of characters, after the "main" story for Hades ends, you can get 30 minutes worth of additional scenes with them to further flesh out the relationships and story in general.
Hades is such a phenomenal achievement.
29:05 FORESHADOWING
"Hahaha no, you're plenty" So that was a fucking lie.
*every parent telling their first child that they're all they need*
the middle child: -_-
The last child: : ) )
Honestly, Persephone probably was not even considering having any more kids until the moment Zagreus mentioned it.
Man probably accidentally lead to his own sister's conception.
And how the reveal would go... Probably something like
"Zagreus, would you come over here please?"
"What is it you need mother? And what's that you're holding there?"
"Well, remember that time you asked me about wanting to have more kids?"
"Yes, you told me you weren't planning on having any more. But why being that up so suddenly?"
"Well, once you mentioned it, the thought just wouldn't leave my head. Your father was rather hesitant when I brought it up, but after reminding him how great of a son he's raised already..."
"What? Wait, no! You didn't! You couldn't! Y-You actually mean to tell me-"
"Zagreus, meet your new baby sister."
Who knew a game about fighting through countless demons to reach an unattainable goal could be this cute?!
The youtube algorithm is a strange void…..but i thank it for sending me here,this video was surprisingly wholesome despite being about the greek gods😌
I love how Hades, this mean father and the king of hell just turns out to be a tsundere.
Bro Hades gets so damn weak around Persephone it's so cute
"You know nothing of tempers if mine is your frame of reference." What a cool quote that gives you an idea of just how insane zeus must be
"You're not thinking of having more children, are you?!"
"No! You're plenty."
Melinoe: And I took that personally.
That final line is the perfect segue to Hades 2 lol