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- Connect with me: / tudor.chrs Hoover successfully persuades Smith to allow the ARBI to set up a sophisticated surveillance system to continuously spy every citizen of the American Reich. Unbeknownst to the Reichsmarschall, Hoover began spying on members of the Smith family, especially his wife and his eldest daughter; who were secretly disillusioned by Nazism. The ARBI set up a variety of wire-taps all over Smith's residence without his knowledge, and later kidnap and interrogate their maid for information.
Hoover then flew to Berlin to present the incriminating data to Heinrich Himmler under Adolf Eichmann's orders. However, he did not know that Smith and German Obergruppenführer Wilhelm Goertzmann planned a putsch against Himmler and Eichmann. As Smith was summoned to Himmler's office, where he planned to kill him, Goertzmann's men eliminate all the members of the Nazi war command, including Eichmann. Hoover was left to be knifed to death by John Smith for his betrayal.
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Hoover just adapting to new masters actually fits the man.
Literally just replaced the Panthers with the Resistance in this timeline😭
@@poole4684 Except the Panthers seemed more realistic than the BCR
The true "master of secrets." I could easily see the Reich keeping him on in more or less his old job. He had the dirt on everyone. He would have thrived under a system where the last checks and balances on his power to spy on his citizens were removed.
Oi...vey
Well, he was fanatically anti-communist in reality.
Hearing Himmler coughing in the background as he slowly gets angrier and angrier was a great addition. Really shows the tension
Smith: "Is my loyalty in question?"
John Adams: "Oh no Reichsfuhrer I question your SANITY"
bruh moment: greater german reich edition
Now good day sir
Smith: wait whaaa are you a ghost?
John Adams: YOU ARE AS LIKALY TO SEE A GHOST HERE, AS YOU ARE OF SEEING ONE, ON THE MOON !!!!!!!
Can someone explain?
@@purplephantom2441 Rufus Sewell had a similar scene in John Adams, while playing Alexander Hamilton.
Hoover: tries to expose Smith's betrayal of the Reich
Smith: *I'm now going to do what is called a pro gamer move.*
*I'm not gonna make any equation*
Wait wrong one
Hoover screwed up so bad by going after John's family. Nobody goes after his family. Period
One of the main lessons of this show. Dont. Go. After. Smith's. Family!
In the Reich threatening family is part and parcel of it all
Except that it was actually all part of Smith’s plan.
Hoover thought he was as clever as Littlefinger. In the end, he met Littlefinger's fate.
@@chad3232132 Yeah with the exception that littlefinger's death was because of Bran's psychic cheating powers and sloppy writing.
Honestly this show should've focused on John everyone else I found boring and melodramatic
I agree, but onestly i really liked ispector Kido storyline
Nobusuke Tagomi!
I only liked the Axis scenes
Kido and Tagumi were really cool tho. Juliana and Childan were ok too.
The BCR were insufferable. Their sole purpose is to be appealing to SJWs.
John and Kido!
My favorite parts of the show were when it depicted ordinary people and real historical characters doing exactly what they would have done in real life, but changed to fit the new world order. The American police officer dismissing the falling ash from the local hospital was chilling, because it showed the normalization of Nazi idealogy. Hoover spying on Americans to detect anti-patriotic attitudes for the Nazis makes sense. Hitler hiding in a castle, paranoid of being assassinated by his own men is realistic. The crown prince of Japan visiting America was a cool touch. These were where The Man in The High Castle truly shined.
I can't believe they ended such a good show like that.
the show was pretty trashy tbh
@@misterxxxxxxxxx1 Naw, it was inconsistent more or less. This entire plotline with Hoover never made sense to me. Hoover was interested in protecting his position. When he was conspiring with Rockwell, it benefited him. But after Rockwell was taken out by Smith. Hoover & Smith came to an understanding. There was no need for Hoover to do any of this backstabbing.
tyro apache the shows was trash, period.
Loved the show, but because of the sensitivity of the subject it was based on is the reason for its cancelation unfortunately .-. This could've easily been a 6+ season show
@Free American Empire no u
Hoover would have done anything in any world to be at the top , this is the kind of person that lies and destroys lives to get where he is,
During his time at the top levels of the us govt he black mailed presidents to get what he wanted. And that is why the CIA is such a problem today
Your knowledge of Hoover is laughable. He detested Fascism and Communism more than any other American in history.
Ernest Bigot Hoover would have made a deal with the devil to stay in power , probably did. He was only against communism because of our political structure. If we lost WW2 he would have cozied right up to the nazis
@@Shablimbles Hoover didn't work for the CIA though...
He did everything to get the FBI power
@@jcarlovitch and created a surveillance state based on intimidation and coercion! Fuck JFK hated HIM because he knew the bastard was always listening.
This show needed a 5th season!! This last episode felt so rushed , very disappointing ending to a grate show!
"great"?
Four_ Eyes323 I believe it was quite good, I cannot see how the would have had enough material to ramp up the pace in a season finale of a 5th season. This one felt quick and filled with little teases, tie-ins and action
Great show and great ending! I little rushed but I say 2 more episodes needed at most. Very satisfying ending.
Did it feel a little rushed? Yes. But at the same time, it doesn’t feel like it went in a way that felt out of character. It just got there a bit faster. All the characters had perfect endings
Let's be honest here. If there was a 5th season, you and every other critic out there would've bitched about that season ending too.
Damn the guy who voices as hoover sounds realy nice
William Forsythe. Look up his performance as Manny Horwitz in Boardwalk Empire.
He also played Sammy the Bull in the movie Gotti
He also played the FBI Operations Chief running the raid on Alcatraz in The Rock. Unforgettable voice.
@@pbdye1607
Don’t forget “Out for Justice!”
ANYBODY SEEN RICHIE???????
Nazis ganging up on John Smith.
John Smith: I'm about to end all y'all careers
gotta admit, the scene where he walks in is pretty badass
Good to know Hoover has a job no matter what alternate timeline he lives in. In Joe Steel, Stalin's parents moved to America before he was born. The parents of some other high up soviet officials also made the move too as Molotov makes an appearance. They didn't need Beria though because the US already had Hoover.
Hoover was the same man in this reality as he was in our own.
A prick and a pain in the ass. At least that what most Americans that I've heard said.
Mohamed El Kayal Hoover went on a crusade against anyone he saw that betrayed his version of America’s values. He had a personal vendetta against MLK as he saw the civil rights movement as a communist force.
Oy vei!
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Is it just me, or is Hoover's voice really deep and gravel-ly... but somehow soothing?
I like how there’s a 3 minute monologue where Smith did stuff wrong. Also Hoover has a really nice deep voice
John Smith is the best character in the entire show.
Hoover's leitmotif was really the highlight of the soundtrack work in the season, it underlined the lethal efficiency of the sleazy totalitarian bureaucrat he was in this continuity. But I do not understand why it suddenly plays during Smith's TV adress the very next episode.
fun fact, kids: Hoover was the one who inspired Yezhov to start keeping files on his bosses as well as suspects
This was one of the things I think the alternate timeline got right. I think that Hoover would absolutely join the Nazis if it meant clinging on to and gaining more power.
Figures, J Edgar Hoover would make himself useful to the Nazis.
Can you add the scene of kido saving the admiral from firing squad?
I bet John was like " Hoover?! Damn."
And Hoover was wearing fishnet stockings the whole time.
and the shoes had high heels disguised too
This episode was amazing, such a shame the finale was a rushed mess
Hoover: tries to expose Smith's betrayal of the Reich
John: He is a crossdresser LOL
This could of been a great series, only to be let down by a rushed confused ending.
I love how people don't know any actual reasons to hate (the real life) Hoover; they just "know" that they are "supposed" to.
This whole dynamic with Hoover had me hella confused. First he helps John Smith and then betrays the Reichsmarshall and then when John becomes Reichmarshall Hoover just decides: No this is not gonna work. Like overall I don't understand the power struggles of these people. I'm kind of sad they entirely excluded Josef Goebbels from this series. He would have been a better choice to involve in a power struggle with Himmler
Hoover is a selfish man. He does things that only benefit himself. If John Smith was executed, Hoover probably expected some sort of reward, a promotion perhaps. Similarly, he decided to betray Rockwell only because John Smith held critical information relating to Hoover. The things he does are purely out of self-interest.
Its the same hoover from our reality. The first fbi director and the one who was shadow president of the U.S. blackmailing and pulling springs. Accurate representation of Hoover in this show.
@@hedilseto6372 So he basically held the strings over people like Nixon and Johnson
@@jackyshen3795 I'm just kind of sad they decided to exclude Goebbels out of the whole power struggle situation. I mean in Season 1 its mentioned that Himmler and Goebbels vied for power and waited for Hitler to die but after Hitler's death Heusmann is named acting leader and we only ever see Himmler but we never get to see Goebbels. I'm assuming after Himmler took power that he had Goebbels killed
@@spearshake4771 goebbels was mentioned in season 3 I think. But my theory is that he's just to old. I think himmler was younger but look at him. He's a old fart
Hoover: "I'm not questioning your loyalty, John Smith, I'm denying it's existence."
It's a tiny detail and I'm not sure it's intentional, but the documents in this scene use the metric system (used in Germany (and pretty much anywhere except in the US) to show weight, and height, rather than what was used in the US (then, and now), the imperial system.
That is almost certainly intentional, and a great touch.
So this confirms Hoover is the same man in ANY reality. Scheming and manipulating to always get what he wants no matter who he serves
This should’ve been the ending and there should’ve been a season 5 to end the show properly. Smith is such a good character that i began to side with him and hated the resistance. Wyatt is ok but Juliana is so boring.
it’s Rome all over again. I’m pretty sure a lot of American presidents wanted to do that to Hoover.
This scene was so good and then the next episode just derailed everything... I think, we can all agree, that this episode should be the real final episode. They divided the empire;
The end of this season was such a shame. A real disappointment for an otherwise very good season. It really felt rushed towards the end.
And here’s the thing... Smith was kinda the show's main character. Season 1 he was the antagonist. Season 2 and 3 he had become an antihero and by season 4 Juliana's arc had been so far relegated to the side, that Smith and Helen were constantly centre stage with the Japanese plot being the next most interesting. The show went out of its way to make clear that John was never a die-hard Nazi. Every deed and decision he’d ever made he’d done for his family. The tragedy of his character was supposed to be that he could only go upwards onto ever more shaky ground, or come crashing down with his wife and kids' fates in the balance.
To all of a sudden take a 180 with his character feels so cheap and forced to me. Why is he going full steam ahead with plans for Holocaust.3.0 when he and his family are safe? Because he “didn’t know how” to stop it? Really!? But his mate, Bill, could turn the planes around with a single order and publicly throw away his badge? Not to mention that’s terribly unrealistic for a nation where significant portion of the population are extremely indoctrinated and at least half the top military staff in the American Reich are still die-hard Nazis.
This needed another fucking season. We should’ve had John lose his sanity over Thomas and kidnap him. It would’ve made for great storytelling. If the writers wanted to drum up the “Absolute power corrupts absolutely” trope, they could’ve... but not in half a bloody episode! Way to butcher 4 seasons worth of character development in 30 fucking minutes.
:(
Cpt price remains at large!
Hoover out here dropping a 🔥mixtape
One of my top 5 streaming shows ever
He sounds like raiden from mortal kombat
certified hoover classic
I had always expected either John Smith or Kido would have become like a Inspector Javert in that they grow disillusioned over the countries they serve and ideology and end up joining the rebels.
The actor who played as J Edgar Hoover would have been a good Hermann Göring. Or, Coach Don Nelson.
If they combined it the man in the High Castle, Wolfenstein, Hellboy, Iron Sky, and crisis on Earth X imagine how interesting of a movie that would have been if it was directed by Steven Spielberg and Guillermo del Toro
nice modern light fixture above the table
Hoover needs a diet
now
He ain't gonna need it.
He's dead by now..
thanks youtube recommendations for this spoiler -_-
🤣🤣🤣🤣👌
Hoover: YEP no change needed from real life!
This ep should be the end of the season instead of the GoodGuyAlwaysWins one
"There are always men like you..."
Hoover sounds like Varric from Dragon Age in this show.
If you didn’t know any better, you’d think William Forsythe was his voice actor.
I still can't believe they brought j Edgar hoover into the show lmfao
William Forsythe looks like the mayor in cloudy with a chance of meatballs after he got fat....
even in this timeline Hoover has secrets
even in our timeline Hoover has secrets
SO was the point that to show Hoover would question someones loyalty no matter if they were American, Communist or Nazi?
A year later but no, the point was Hoover would’ve thrived under the Nazis since they were totalitarian and he was vehemently anti communist plus given the police state he created with the FBI in our timeline. Under the Nazis, his power to power to spy on anyone would’ve been unchecked. Also it was less about him questioning loyalty but more so to get back at Smith since months prior Hoover had other secrets on Smith that he was going to use to aide American Reichsmarshall George Lincoln Rockwell in removing Smith from power. However Smith revealed to Hoover his men found dirt on him so Hoover was forced to abandoned his plans and Smith subsequently succeeded Rockwell after Himmler exiled him. This was an attempt to try again to remove Smith for treason but failed again because Smith collaborated with Goertzemann to launch a coup.
@@Wolf-wc1js As if, Hoover hunted down far right activists more effectively than actual communists. I mean the CIA was founded by Trotskyists.
Do you have any clips with the resistance fighting?
search up battle of denver
Benson Fang thank you
@@bensonfang1868 And you will instead get Amazon's portrayal of "the Skirmish of Denver".
Hoover becoming a very loyal Nazi to the bitter end and yltimately the head of the American Gestapo isnt even a parody. Its just more honest.
The basic fallacy about this series is that it's based on a false premise: that the Nazis and Japanese desired and had the means to conquer the world. The Nazis did not think in Geo-political terms but Eurocentrically. Hitler thought in World War One terms, seeing the conquest of France and Russia as his ultimate war aims. The Nazis had no workable plan for even invading England and put no real energy into it. Nor did they have a navy capable of crossing the Atlantic against an America with three times their industrial plant. Hitler feared America. Similarly the Japanese limited their war aims to co-opting southeast Asia and China into their Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. They had no wish to go after America and could not support a cross-Pacific invasion of America with their minuscule industrial plant, barely 10% of America's. World conquest by the Nazis and Japan was simply not possible given the political-economy of their nations. But it's a nice and entertaining fantasy, which is what Hollywood is all about.
In this reality though the US neuer Trulli came out of the Great Depression , the nazi takeover happened because the public Was convinced that they could Provider them with a better life , the same as happened in germany in real life
the us had a larger economy than japan but it was barely putting any of it into its army. all of its funds went to its navy, but even that was tiny. something like 1%. japan was putting in something crazy like 80% into its military so it was pretty much even
Yeah, in truth the only real method available to a global imperialist power post-atom bomb was the Neo-colonialist system the US set up. Financially and clandestinely support various strongmen to exploit resources in countries rich with them, and a military presence via bases + economic dependence on the US for everyone else. Direct colonial rule, as seen in TMITHC, hasn't had much success since the 50s, and arguably was already on it's way out before that. That being said, China really makes me wonder if Imperialism itself isn't an outdated concept at this point in time. Would be nice to believe the gun permanently pointed at the back of your head isn't the only method to produce stable economic partnership between nations.
Correct. But suppose that the nuclear strike of washington was the German action to force the US out of WWII by sapping the morale of the population (as the allies also attempted to do by Butcher Harris bombing policy). The plan goes beyond the wildest expectations: the USA not only withdraws, but totally collapses as a nation and surrenders unconditionally: wouldn't the Nazis really take advantage of this, as well as the Japanese?
After all, Japan and Germany suffered the same fate: unconditional surrender and military occupation as long as it was deemed convenient
The best episode of the series and sadly next episode which is season finale was the worst one in the entire series of 40 episodes....
William Forsythe is a solid block of a man.
I definitely agree with the Hoover adopting to a night a new master
In this universe, the Dr. Strangelove war room is real, I guess
No matter what timeline, Hoover's gonna fuck yo shit up.
Hoover the Life Long Snake
John: Shut the f*** up, fat ma ... *Finds out Hoover is played by film star Leo* ... Sorry, Mr. Hoover.
*Hoover is still angry.*
They would rounded up all government officials and replaced them with new ones.
John Smith was a different man in all of the parallel universes. Hoover however was likely the same man in every single one of them.
You should have never trusted the bloated man in the suit.
Do you plan to upload scenes from the previous seasons?
Yep,this weekend I will be uploading some.
@@ChristiansEdits Much appreciated
HOOVER was a traitor in real life as well.
The coughing
I had a boss that looked exactly like john smith.... hated the man
I wonder what happened to Hoovers friend Clyde in this universe?
Is the Hoover actor voiced a character in a show or video games?
Wow he really stabbed him in the back
The guy’s going to get stabbed in the front
I loved that Hoover was a scumbag in every possible timeline, but it's a shame the show got so screwed up. It's more important than ever for media like this.
Hey... who is doing this? He's coughing... But hoover ends up? How many lies? Such a fit....
Even in this universe J. Edgar Hoover is still a bastard.
That can't be j e hoover he ain't wearing a dress
Just make the entire show about John smith and the politics of the Reich
Smith should've stood up and revealed Hoovers secret
No need, he and Goertmann were going to kill everyone in that room soon anyways so they could divide the Reich between themselves.
@@DLordSadow yeah but, I have no idea what hoovers secret is
@@bootdude7527 Smith will probably put it in Hoover’s obituary.
@@bootdude7527 He was gay... and probably a crossdresser and lived with his assissant Clyde Tolson.
If John smith is John lerch is Paul newman
Jerund in the title
herbert hoover or j edgar hoover?
Tbf Hover was many thing but not a traitor to America, i think this is a unfaor representation
The only unbelievable part is that the Nazis wouldn’t be proud of their genocides in victory
I don't get it why people didn't like this scene and the following one. Totalitarians do eat each other like that. And the following scene is one of the best imo.
My problem is with the last episode. That one was utter trash. Very rushed and made little sense.
Hoover you done fuck up
Greater Nazi Reich always annoyed me. Nazi is supposed to be pejorative, like commie, it'd be like calling the Soviet Union calling itself the "Commie Union"
Oh erm even among the other civilizations and even amongst mainly the pirates... The punishments in various criminal codes is opposite. sooooooooo
Back to the comment made by Steve.... or whatever... sounds like a psycho pathic criminal I suppose he calls through blocked caller ID no number and then hmmmm hmmmm hmmmm he's in another country so he gets to play internet bully while pretending to be a?
I honestly really wanted Helen to live she had a lot of character development and I hoped that Helen would go with the resistance not die Jesus
She literally died at the end of the show...
SCARRIOR I know that is why I thought that
The distance should not have been able to kill either of them
2:14 *rommel* !?
No. Rommel is retired that time.
I think that's Eichmann
Intelligence failures don't shift the moral compass. The US had missed opportunities to head off 9/11. That we missed them doesn't make Al Qaeda any less evil or the US immoral. Same too with Israel. Incompetence is not conspiracy or malice.
Would be funny if most of the guys in the room didn't speak English lol
i think it would be better if the german generals were speaking german …. more realism
Is Timothy leary
Hoover was just a racist, fascist tbh lol
It really fits his character.
There are a lot of good episodes in this series but it tended to drag onward too long with no real logic such as example the BCR uprising coming out of nowhere with no mention during the previous seasons. That ending of the series what explanation for it did Americans gain back their country? A lot of plot holes I must admit even losing interest for a while, but as stated it did have interesting episodes maybe they'll do a best episodes DVD though that's unlikely; no way I'll purchase the entire series.
Hoover is a snitch also sub to cat
Such a fascinating and entertaining television show killed off by rush and horrid/unforgivable hack SJW writers in the final seasons.
I've never gotten around to watching this show. Did Smith expose Hoover's homosexuality in response. Nazis were not big on that..
The real question is why did the nazis even accept Hoover to begin with? A powerful intel chief of a former enemy? Seems unlikely. Would Himmler tolerate a potential threat to his rule in North America? Again seems forced. It really doesn't matter how racist Hoover was. For the nazis he would still be a threat in their view.