Nazi-American Police in The Man in the High Castle Pilot
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- In this scene, the protagonist encounters a friendly cop who appears to embody small-town American values. When the cop casually explains that the ashes falling from the sky are from the local hospital, which exterminates disabled people and other "drags on the state," we see the startling compatibility of "traditional American values" and Nazism.
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I can't believe Steiner's assault made this possible
I understood that reference.
@@thanosmaster-abel559 I think so 😂
@@thanosmaster-abel559 He really clutched it, didn’t he? 🤣
lol this comment is so underrated
It was actually Wenck
This scene is so perfectly constructed. The police officer is so polite and friendly, but completely complacent with the situation.
That's the point - most people would be complacent with the situation.
I would be the ash.
@@NikoChristianWallenberg Yep. Alot of people say they wouldnt but when push comes to shove they will always break and tbh its a smarter move for any future revolution than just continuing a war already lost. Lets take the officer for example, him being a solider and presumably having actual combat experience against the Nazi he would be a highly valued person for any revolution but if he decides not to comply with the Nazis his talent would be wasted in fighting them when they are at there strongest but if he waits a few years for the Nazis to get comfortable he can then start recruiting and training men for a resistance. For a proper revolution to work it must act like a cancer, slowly growing and mutating unnoticed but if detected to soon easy to remove but if not it can infect the entire system just waiting for the call to arms.
You are an absolute idiot by making fun of people with a terrible illness in your edgy keyboard warrior comment.
@@stephenderogier6790 what can you expect from kids like that: they have no shame and are trying to sound impressive while they only make themselves look like idiots.
the cop actor is my uncle, Ron Rogge. This is one of my favorite roles he's done, and he nailed this scene. He also plays a role in Stranger Things season 1 when Hopper fights that guy in the bar. Proud nephew moment!
Small role but he nailed it, many think alike not just you. Tell him that.
I knew i recognized him too, i liked his role in stranger things too, seems like a really sweet dude
As someone else said somewhere else: "There are no small roles. Just small actors." Your uncle turned this small scene into one of the most memorables of the show.
Jesus. Tell him I'm a film critic, and there are few modern scenes that hit me like his role. The final snort-laugh from Samara/Grace in Ready or Not always makes me smile. The red girl coat and its implications from Schindler's List, or all the reunited actors wearing their skins one last time for the ending of Scrubs, gives me a cathartic sob (hey I'm posting from an alt to be honest. Don't judge my love of Scrubs.)... And this.
"On Tuesdays they burn cripples, terminally ill. Drains on the state." An ex-Marine who once would end a rose, and yet he says that line so nonchalantly, in the same cadence as stating the only spare sandwich he had was egg salad. Y'know, it's just another Tuesday. Tuesday is for burning cripples. Make your [Dad] proud now.
I really like his acting.
I mean that writing combined with the acting is just crazy. Up until the end that trooper is everything you'd ever want in an American policeman. He's friendly, helpful, and generally kindhearted. But then suddenly he's not just complacent in evil, he's completely accustomed to it's existence.
To us, it's snowing burnt corpses. To the lawman it's just Tuesday.
honestly, i think it's more than that - especially when he brings up the fact that he fought in the war and "couldn't remember what i fought for"
chances are since the war ended and the nazis occupied the US, he's probably been reconditioned to think the old america was wrong and force a belief in the third reich - how else would you go and get millions of us military vets to integrate into your new society? i would imagine the japanese would do something similar
the north vietnamese did the same thing to arvn vets after the vietnam war ended, throwing many of them into communist reeducation camps to force them to integrate and adapt to the new government, though it failed in many ways
Evil doesn't exist. They are killing cripples because they are a drag on the state and the healthy people. They want to ensure that in the future a healthy folk exists, so they need to get rid of the sick and sterilize everyone who carries genetic defects in his or her DNA. That's the justification and it's perfectly valid from their perspective. You may not agree and see it as evil, but that is also only your perspective, which counts as much as every other.
@@Rogue_Nine416 I think in another sense it's survival, reconditioning would have very heavy pushback, especially from US military veterans. A more likely scenario I'd imagine is simply subtle indoctrination. We see it with John right after the US loses the war. Give bread and water to those that submit, and allow the same to every man's friend and fellow family that join in too. Eventually, why be worried about the man a few hundred miles down the road if the family you have around you are doing content under the State. If burning and disintegrating the 'dregs' and 'evils' of society really did fix it, then, of course, the old 'bureaucratic' and 'corrupt' government from before doesn't seem so good anymore. Would you survive, pledge yourself to the Reich and be assured access to a job, welfare, and respect amongst your peers and to the State, or criminalize you and your loved ones for going against it. Shockingly enough, there were many minority groups, even Jews, who sided with the Reich and turned against their brothers, sisters, and friends just because of a few promises, now what would you do if you really received them as your 'just' compensation. I don't think many would turn down that prospect, don't you think.
@@edie9158 that's also a possibility and i find it entirely possible it was also just a "join or die" type of deal
Even worst, those people were alive at the beginning of the process, so practically they burned people (not just corpses). Oh, it's just Tuesday - hell of the punchline for the scene.
*Raining ash from burning cripples and terminally ill.*
"Ahh, Tuesday!"
Dude that was perfect rection
"Smells like Tuesday!!"
Yet still not as bad as Mondays
It makes no sence as reference towards the nazis, as it was well considered in the US too, and it was abolished in Nazi germany afther heavy backclash from the population.
@@leonl9123 it was implemented in Germany, though. It was never implemented in the USA. That's why it makes sense.
When he says can’t even remember what we were fighting for, only for it to rain ashes gives me chills.
@TrumpAlwaysWins LearnToAcceptIt haha no
@TrumpAlwaysWins LearnToAcceptIt notice the ashes?
@TrumpAlwaysWins LearnToAcceptIt so? Other races and cripples
@TrumpAlwaysWins LearnToAcceptIt yeah so don’t violate my liberties, the nation is built to serve the people
@TrumpAlwaysWins LearnToAcceptIt Man people like you must be living really unfulfilling lives. I feel bad.
This actor had such a small part to play in the series but, without a doubt, I feel his brief interaction with the Joe Blake character was one of the standout performances of the entire first season. He NAILED it.
No such thing as small roles only small actors
His cheerful, mundane complicity with the horrors of the state made the world so believable. Most of know this guy. He works at the local mechanic shop, he manages the grocery store, you go to the same church... and in this timeline he gives inexperienced long-haul truckers a hand while the ashes of disabled people float down from the sky. It just nails home how completely the Reich has taken over. Even the most normal, affable people march in step with it.
Performances like this make the first season so great.
The first season of Man in the High Castle was amazing. I loved how it was just about how post war America would look like if we lost the war. But as the series progressed, I felt that it kinda lost its touch, especially when it began to deviate the first seasons’ realistic fiction and into the whole “enter dimensional” time travel later in the series.
I wish the series stayed true to its original perceived story and just stuck with life under Japanese/Nazi control, and how people were beginning to rise up above the two forces. I feel like they kinda missed out on a really cool and thought provoking story.
yeah, I agree completely. I would've loved this show with the dimensional timelines magical stuff totally removed. I thought they pulled it together by seasons 3 and 4. It also didn't help that the 2 main characters were incredibly bland, especially in season 2.
I agree - I loved the first season but when it got all different dimension and sci fi I stopped watching
That’s all in the book. If they didn’t put it in it wouldn’t be “Man in the High Castle.”
@@BaquePhotography yeah one of the few cases of a show unfortunately following the source
If they didn't put the inter-dimensional stuff the series wouldn't work; people didn't fight only because Nazi rule was terrible, but also because they believed in another dimension's future (wich Nazis from this one stole the weapons from), they believed it was possible (normal people on this series already had conceded that resistance was futile), also remember that was only because Jessica's obsession with the movies that the plot moved forward
It was this kind of dialogue that I think really reels people into the show. The fact that he said “the hospital” so calmly and cheerfully is kinda terrifying.
I agree, it really struck when I first saw it.. And it's strange too, considering he looks old enough to remember what it was like before the reich. If it was a 20 year old fresh off the academy I'd understand the nonchalance, but this guy is weird. Or just had a lot of time to accept that this is how things are I guess..
@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk what are you smoking.
Actually it become normal after your mentallity accept it and it doesnt take long
@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk Right. The Aktion T4 program was just a collective hallucination according to you, then?
@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk bruh have you not heard of the euthanasia program done by the nazis where they killed people with disabilities and shit
When the cop says "make your old man proud now" my socially awkward ass probably would've said "you too" and cringe about it for the next couple hours.
Yes, that would the most traumatic thing to come from this experience
Ahaaaa😂😂😂 this is how it always goes
Can't you like think for a second before saying something?
@@DjSeptimus Guess you've never had social anxiety before. When in those kinds of situations, your brain just panics and is rushed to say something as you would think you are required to answer back, but in the rush of trying to say something normal in return, you say something stupid.
for the next couple of the rest of your life.
"Yeah, Tuesdays..." Frighteningly realistic how he can normalise it like that, as it's just common routine. I grew up close to a prison for the criminally insane and the sirens would go off every Monday at 10am to test that they were working. If they sounded at any other than 10am Monday then it was time to worry but it was incredible how normal it became. The sirens would go off but you'd barely even think about the inmates being so close after a month or two.
Broadmoor?
@@tom_allen bingo
@@GeoffreyBronson I even went to the preschool on top of the hill right next to the place! Small world :)
In another reailty where Nazis took over, where your just one person and cant trust the person next to you to rat you out? You would have to
@@GeoffreyBronson ayy same. Even remember having the escape drills/tests in school (not that we knew we were having them, it was just a case of being told playtime etc was inside that day). It's honestly a bit weird now that they've discontinued the sirens though, almost feels like there's something missing because hearing them was just part of the routine.
Autobahn Patrol cracks me up, but this is a timeline where Eisenhower's National Interstate and Defense Highway Act never got implemented so it's a great touch.
why does it crack you up? autobahn is literally just german for motor way, autobahn patrol would be the same as highway patrol if america was regular america
My Army veteran Dad (R.I.P.) got to ride the Autobahn while in Germany in the late 40's. He told me he and his fellow soldiers were so damn impressed with it. They all wondered out loud if Amercia would ever build something like it.
@@alonenjersey Most people didn't know it, but the ball was already rolling. The original interstate map is from 1938. The war and the post war recovery delayed something that had already started.
Perfect depiction of a dystopian world, everything seems so mundane and normal even the police officer is cheerful but there's something not quite right then the ashes fall.
Of course its not right. Something must be wrong with their crematoriums if ashes are coming out of vents and chimneys. Cremation ovens get up to 1800 degrees (F), so that's a fire hazard. They need to fix that ASAP.
This would be better than what we have now
@@imanrobota4849 if they were ever real at all
@@imanrobota4849 probably part of the intimidation. A constant reminder of your overlords
I guess the US and more than half the world is a dystopia irl, lol.
My man said “it’s Tuesday”
In the background, Heat of the Moment plays while Gabriel laughs, ending another day in the cycle...
“Fuckin tuesdays”
Itz chewsday innit
Taco tuesday at the hospital
"The medical staff? They don't arrive until Tuesday."
Nothing embodies "the banality of evil" more than the friendly neighborhood cop being completely chill with human extermination.
Has to be, doesnt mean they are.
@@drnapalm7605 But he doesn't seem willing to do anything about it.
What really is is option? The pisser for me is his statement that he doesn't even remember what we (America) was fighting for.
@@alonenjersey That's the saddest thing for me: how quickly Americans forgot about ideals like peace and democracy.
@@nathanseper8738 Being a fan of this series it's no surprise why. With FDR assassinated, his programs to save the country never materialized. By the time the Nazis/Japanese invaded America we were a demoralized nation with an economy in the crapper.
This is actually incredibly accurate. Box truck and big rig lug nuts are actually reverse thread. You can see the policeman turning the lug wrench counter clock wise when he finishes tightening. Cool little tid bit.
Half the comments are people over analyzing the officer with his uniform while I’m just thinking changing a tire isn’t easy, especially for a big ass truck. I’d take my uniform off too if I was a middle aged man.
Not to mention the tire on a SEMI. They seem to have a whopping 12 or 14 lugs to work with. That's a lot of time spent undoing and reinstalling lugs...
@@largol33t1 Well, I work everyday with a Stryker/Piranha 3 and I can confirm that you can change a semi truck without much trouble
@@tiggydiggy1234 yea fucking 300 kg tires
@@FullOilBarrel well with the right technique you can do it fairly easy... but it sounds like you havent figured it out lol
I can relate first time to changing tire on a SEMI i got scapulae displacement cz wrong technique when remove the tire, such hard work for newbs.
A person may help a random stranger in need, share their food, and still be complicit in society's most horrific atrocities.
And there are others who would steal a sandwich, and insult a stranger; all while decrying societies atrocities. Which one would you consider a bad or good person?
Not like this specific police officer could do anything else but being complicit. For multiple reasons and I think I can give some perspective into that, being that my grandparents did aid the German resistance in Nazi Germany.
The first problem is trust, when the Nazis were at the height of their power, trust among the general population towards each other was essentially zero. You had children ratting out their parents for unpatriotic talk and violations against the statutes of the state. The same was true for their neighbours etc.
So lets say you weren't OK with it. That brings us to the second problem, there were no means to organise, there was no internet, no twitter, all most people knew were their villages and towns and the people in said dwellings. As established before, you very likely could not trust them, so even if you were fostering some kind of anti-state agenda, you would have most likely kept this to yourself and with that I mean you wouldn't have told your family about it either.
The reason part of my family did work with another resistance group was that the trust between the families involved was not shaken yet by the state. A few more years and that probably also wouldn't have happened. My grandma told me that they feared for the remainder of the war when they worked on helping someone disappear, or helping pass through without notice, that one or the other of them would ultimately rat each other out. They were just lucky enough that that wasn't the case.
Few are willing to risk their lives and that of their families in that way. It is important to understand why resisting regimes like the Nazis isn't as easy as series and movies make it look.
@@GomulDart That's true too.
@@CrestOfArtorias Sippenhaftung was actually one of the biggest threats they got. you may be willing to sacrifice your own life but the life of your child? no way.
@@katharinapeters6710 Yup
"Can't remember what we were fighting for" when the reasons are literally falling as snow. Great scene!
Less cripples to cripple society
That small little detail about the ash fall being from a nearby hospital is more fucking haunting than the Nazi state trooper
Muh Ashes From the Sky
You must be a teenager do you have to use profanity to express your statement?
@@timf2279 Sorry ol buck! 24 years old and text how I speak. Simply stating its fucked.
You must be a boomer, you always complain and get picky over simple shit?
@@timf2279 it's TH-cam not linked in. No one cares lmao
"what is that?", "Oh its the hospital." that got me. very ere.
That's a way to make cuts in social security & welfare spending.
Bit weird though, even the Nazi's were not in favour of randomly killing old or crippled people.... then again they were socialists, gotta keep those welfare state costs down somehow lol.
In China, everyone gets cremated
@@a1175779 especially in Tiananmen.
@@KnIf0rTITAN ever heard about Aktion T4?
I remember how detailed the props were in this show, their prop and costume departments were some of the best in the business. The license plate on the cruiser has Arbeit Macht Frei where the normal state motto would be. The crew for this show constantly knocked it out of the park.
why would nazi america put a concentration camp motto on a normal police cruiser
@@NuonCheaKhmer because it would be a new occupation , kinda saying “ this is how your gonna live from now on “
too bad they destroyed much of it due to the fears of neonazis getting a hold of them, though
@@Gabriel87100 I mean, probably best no neonazis get to them.
@@Gabriel87100 You can always make new ones if needed. The props weren't needed anymore, so why keep 'em? It's not like they'll reboot the show anytime soon.
"Now i can't even remember what we where fighting for"
*Ashes of human beings fall from the sky like rain*
I like the mix of the cop being decent to Joe while accepting so matter-of-factly the horror of what the hospital is doing.
Literally every day thousands of boys across the US are generally mutilated in hospitals by circumcision
That's gotten *dark* pretty quickly.
Grim Dark??
Says the dude with the Inquisition pfp
@@crackedhammer4612 my thoughts
@@crackedhammer4612 Damn nice one
Coming from someone in the inquisition.
Garfield wearing an SS Armband: "I hate Mondays, but I *LOVE* Tuesdays!"
I FUCKING SPIT MY WATER OUT HOLY SHIT 😭😭😭
LOOOL fucking genius!!!
NSDAP*
Exceptional job in both of writing and the acting. Wasn’t forced, wasn’t push. It showed a real human who by all accounts is polite and decent in a world where what we know as atrocities have no affect on a person being those things because that’s just the norm. It’s really a mark of great writing when that human condition is understood regardless of the situation
"One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient." - Charles M. Blow
"can't even remember what we were fighting for"
**ashes rain down**
"oh right"
Yeah, the USA will fight racism where ever it will occure in the world.
Unless it happens in the USA itself, then no one will care. 🙄
@@hanswurst6712 okay hans
@@hanswurst6712 Yeah the US is so racist that they elected a black man to be president so racist of them.
@@matthewl2036 Because Obama instantly solved racism.
@@hanswurst6712 yeah, I agree, no one fights black racists in US nowadays.
This show ended like Game of Thrones, with an absolute thud.
a slightly more satisfying thud, but a thud nonetheless. To be fair ending a show like this would have been hard to write either way.
Is it still worth watching though? I could never recommend GoT now, but this looks interesting
@@Jmcinally94 I would still recommend GoT, but not past season 3.
@@Jmcinally94 It starts slow and the intrigue builds to a satisfying degree but then it just falls apart by season 3.
Just stoping at the end of S2 gives a way more satisfying ending than S3 and S4
Yes all is not resolved but there's a moment when all the tread from s1 and S2 link up, a butterfly effect
It serves well as a brief window to another world that could have been, without any big change in it
This scene still gives me chills. It lures us in with a seemingly innocent situation that could happen in the real world, a friendly cop stopping to help a guy with a flat tyre. Then the ashes start falling and he cheerfully begins talking about the hospital murdering sick people as if it were normal, and not something horrific. We're reminded that, as friendly as he appears, he's still a literal nazi, and totally okay with everything bad that's going on.
i think about that every time i remember that there are politicians that support abortion and child slave labor to produce batteries for "renewable clean energy"
Great police officer right there. Willing to help him without second thought, give him free food, and have nice friendly family talk.
the first season is great, second is alright, the ending is just rushed and anti-climactic.
I didn;t care about any of the "good guys" in the show, Julianna was so boring and Joe was a plank of wood. John Smith, Kido and Tagomi were the real stars that i actually wanted to see
Aren't that the case of every Drama series, promising beginnings leading to boring endings
I didn't like the multiverse stiff towards the end. Probably would have been better if they didn't get cancelled and have to try and cram as much as possible into the last series.
Yeah you can definitely tell the last season was extremely rushed period but keep in mind that I don't believe the book it's based on from Philip K dick is anywhere near as detailed as this show period which is kind of unusual normally the book is the one that's detailed and the movie or TV show is the one that leaves stuff out.
@@jonbaxter2254 Joe being a good guy is subjective- just as Tagomi being a bad guy is even more so.
Nonetheless, I agree. I always felt hooked when Smith and Kido (and Tagomi too, fair enough) had the spotlight. Even in the early parts of the show, when Smith was ambushed, I was cheering him on as he single-handedly took down the rebels.
The police officer is so polite and helpful, almost starting to make you think that maybe "Nazi America isn't such a bad place" but then, ashes fall from the sky and the dude just says calmly "Oh that's the hospital" and then as he continues on saying that tuesday is the day they incinerate all the cripples and terminally ill. At this moment, as a viewer, you remember why nazis are bad.
The writing really conveys the message the right way here, and honestly I've been addicted to this show the moment that scene played.
I kinda wish they would have cut that part out. It's just so comically evil and retarded that it kinda takes me out of things.
They should have just had the scene without the ashes raining down to paint things to be more morally grey. Not everyone in the regime is mindless killer and some are just nice folk in the wrong place. It would really force the viewer to think beyond, "bad men bad"
@@shelkton.7991 What? This is realistic. You really telling me that the regime that killed cripples wouldn't kill cripples? Or are you talking about his complacency? If it's the complacency, then maybe you forget that he's been living in Nazi America for over 20 years at this rate. Especially with the rampant propaganda is it really so dumb that he's complacent? It's just what would happen.
@@Task32 I'm not saying they wouldn't kill them. I'm saying that having fucking volcanic levels of ash raining down is just silly.
They can keep the complacent officer without having the fucking GI Joe Saturday morning, "Hahah, the ashes shall rain!" Type effects.
@@shelkton.7991 He's not evil. Just disillusioned and hopeless. He says "make your old man proud - " I think he's telling the protagonist to join the resistance.
@@shelkton.7991 Even though these ash falls actually happened in real life?
Imagine he finishes the sandwich even though its being caked with the ashes of murdered people
0:03 The same closing door sound was used in Vice City.
"Yeah, on Tuesdays they burn cripples, terminally ill.."
that's a bruh moment right there
Ikr
What the fuck is a bruh. That some gay millennial speak?
@@waynerainey2606 OK boomer.
@@waynerainey2606 "im old and out of touch" Weird flex but ok
@@RealRotkohl Ok millenial
We'd all like to think we would be that patriot that joined the resistance and fought to the last man for the USA, however that's a very easy thing to say with running water, electricity, refrigerators full of food, and no threat of imminent death to us and our family. Replace this with depravity, cold, starvation, and the threat of death, and I guarantee you that most of us would be this guy.
it wouldn't even be that though.
The country surrendered for most people, life would have carried on as normal as possible. sure there would be security checks and dissenters would be arrested. But early on they wouldn't be burning bodies and what not. You would have went to work, come home, you're kids would go to school, you'd watch tv, go to dinner and all the while, every media outlet is filling your head with propaganda.
that is the part that people seem to miss from the line "i don't even remember what we were fighting for" because his daily life is normal, it hasn't changed. he still came back to his home town, became a cop, he helps people who breakdown, he goes to the dinner, goes bowling with his friends.
What does he have to rebel against? the lack of democracy? pff that's for the upper middle class and uni students, most people are too busy to protest most people don't see any meaningful difference between who's in office. The NAZIS would just be another political party.
By the time they do start burning bodies, they would have already been established their propaganda would be everywhere and this would be the new normal.
The man in the high castle has the perfect protagonist and entitled white woman from a background so nice a comfy she apparently can just skip out and go play renegade with barely anyone even noticing, no real responsibilities and has the most basic selfish desires driving her decisions. This is the sort of person who wants and needs democracy.
Normal people don't have the luxury to choose whether or not to rebel, they have work in the morning.
Everybody has the idea of the rebel, running from the enemy, sabotaging vital infrastructure through explosives and ambushing patrols.
Really, that is only a small part. The "plausible mistakes" that irritate and slow down and confuse the oppressors. These are the resistance actions of the general populace, facilitating the active resistance. Poor maintenance, bad moral and slow supply lines will destroy any army
I gotta give you that one
The concept of "nationalism" is foolish, people pretending that borders are really a thing. When a war period is in effect, there is no such thing as "borders", however wins the conflict usually takes over and impose their views and politics. Russia won the war, but the US was opportunistic enough to take over and actually impose their will in the west
@@RRRRRRRRR33 right..
When I first saw this scene my reaction was something like "oh crap", especially when the ash started falling. It made it clear that the Nazi victory seeped into people's everyday lives and there's nothing they could do about it.
This is one of the most chillingly accurate scenes. So many would simply fall in line.
That's because he is a guter Amerikaner and you're not. He may have petitioned the party for membership the very first day he could. He may have even been a member of the German-American Bund. This was an organized people's diplomacy organization under NSDAP/AO. Auslandsorganisation / foreign organisation. Had he been a member there, I'm sure that would fasttrack his application into the nearly immediate issuance of a party membership. After a few obligatory background checks of course. Personally I think a good man like that would have been enthusiastically received by his German party comrades, and soon he would have understood himself as a conqueror and not as a vanquished.
@Kabuki Kitsune Plus i think when he says make your father proud he is saying he is too old to keep fighting, and to continue the resistance.
You see it now with the Covid authoritarian take over. Not just fall in line but defend it
@@dickenstom You're comparing burning cripples to being asked to wear a mask? rofl
@@dickenstom
Comparing:
> literal burning of people
with:
> Wearing a mask, washing your hands, and reducing exposure chances in the middle of a viral pandemic for the sake of the populace's health, the nation's resources and its manpower, and genuine care for your neighbours, family and compatriots.
Your kind is truly fascinating.
Notice when the officer first stops the protagonist he was wearing full SS garb with the Deutsches Reich insignia? And when he helps the protagonist he takes it off? When the officer stopped the man, he was acting out his duties as an officer to the State, and when he was helping to fix the tyre, he had to take the uniform off because it was hot and hindering him from doing so. By doing that the writers represent the officer helping him not as a National Socialist, but as an American to another American. Hence, his line afterwards: "We lost the war didn't we? Now I cant even remember what we are fighting for."
Good eye 👁
@Toby Williams explain to us why its full of shit Toby
@Toby Williams While sure he did initially offer help with his uniform on, I feel the intended symbolism OP referred to would've been too blatantly obvious had the cop done anything off the bat to separate himself from the uniform. In both scenes of him showing up and him helping with the tire he's still wearing a Policeman's uniform, badge and all. However I feel the entire dress coat and swastika was a symbol of "The State" and an initial show of a potential bad guy is defused the moment he offers help, and to prove a difference of "an American" vs "an Officer of the State". He's willing to show himself as more relaxed, without a gun, and his sleeved rolled up to reveal his tattoo to show despite being an Officer of the State, he's still a good kind hearted American behind the uniform. It's not so much that it couldn't have happened, but moreso it's just symbolic of such defining signs like the armband and the distinctive crossdraw German gun holster, and him shedding the uniform humanized him. A sheep in wolf's clothing, almost.
Bro why is English class happening
@@iagdmdil3737 damn man if english class was this cool where we made our own analysis on shows like this i would’ve stayed in school
"Make your old man proud now"
I love this scene alot because it shows how much both of them are low-key on the side but they, or rather only the cop, hasn't seen a spark of rebellion strong enough to seriously fight back yet. The subtext of it all is that it's a normal conversation where they are clearly indicating something but incase one of them is a traitor or someone asks around it's a casual enough conversation to have plausible deniability.
Atleast that's my interpretation.
I like to think that this guy also just has no reason to rebel. He was a soldier, he lost, went home and became a police officer and probably makes a decent wage. He seems to be a helpful, altruistic guy who would probably be a great friend to anyone around him, and yet he’s complacent in the horrible atrocities going on a field away from him. He’s accepted that and just wants to live as a pawn in the new order. Everything’s been set up for him and if he ever had feelings to rebel, he’d be throwing away his stable life for a cause that he may not think is even possible, or isn’t as invested in.
. A lot of folks would prefer living a moderate life under a new regime if it meant safety, security and at least a sense of not worrying about when your head would roll. He’s not even really the bad guy tbh, just some dude who’s cruising along with the new status quo lol. It’s interesting
Also I like your interpretation of it. I think if a full scale rebellion did occur, there’s a good chance he would help aid in it. The issue is that as mentioned before, he doesn’t see a reason to and probably doesn’t want to throw it all away for a cause that may not ever come to fruition.
Wow, what could have been
He can no longer remember what he fought so fiercely against
even as it falls all around him
yeah, all that forced sterilisations, lobotomy programs and eugenics that USA ran at the 30s which inspired nazis in the first place - it's just crazy talk, for sure... What did they fought for again? For genocide of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Ah, I get it, they fought to enslave in debt the rest of the world to ride on other's work for the rest of the century.
Some of those ash got onto his sandwich.
@J C y'know it might be harsh or damn cruel but those asshole nazis murdering cripples and terminally ill are like nature, nature doesn't spare those who can't fend for themselves, it purges them and by doing this makes a species stronger, its cold and cruel and when them ashes started falling down like snowflakes it sent a chill down my spine, to think that man can do that kind of horrible thing to his fellow man...everyone deserves a shot at life and this is one of the reasons why nazism will forever make my stomach churn
@Nick Maclachlan yeah, it vanished to ashes
“A tuna sandwich with burnt cripple? MY FAVORITE!”
@@warbossgrotsmasha23 isnt it mans purpose to defy nature?
@@BlastinRope nope, man can attempt to live in harmony with nature but to defy it is to sign his own death certificate because in the end nature always prevails
I love this show, it’s a perfect insight into nature Vs nurture. Especially with John Smith, you can see how different he is in both worlds
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" - Plato.
"we're not really close, but me getting this job is really important to him" idk if it was intentional but the fact that he was an undercover nazi in this scene and afterwards his father shows up as a top tier nazi is just... wow
Spoiiiilleeeerr…?
bruh
@@noah-i4436 Shows been out for years now, spoilers don't really matter anymore
You're literally watching a clip from the show. If you're worried about spoilers don't watch clips from the show.
@@noah-i4436 bruh how
I kinda feel bad for the officer here. He was once someone who fought for truth and liberty, but lost his way in the aftermath of the war.
I don't buy that. Losing a war doesn't make you think burning the old and disabled is ok.
@@johnmunro4952 Uhm. Yes it can and very much has throughout history. How do you think the ideals of imperial japan and nazi germany were crushed after the war? You didn't see anyone of the likes after that.
@@johnmunro4952 I mean, what is he going to do? Keep fighting? You already lost. I can see him falling in line not cause he thought it was right or supported it in any way, but simply because he just felt defeated. The war is over, America is German now, time to get used to the new normal is probably how he sees it.
@@corporalsilver6981 Actually no. In the case of the Eugenics movement, it was well established in the United States before it was spread to Germany. By the 1920s California eugenicists began producing literature promoting eugenics and sterilization and sending it overseas to German scientists and medical professionals. By 1933, California had subjected more people to forceful sterilization than all other U.S. states combined. The forced sterilization program engineered by the Nazis was partly inspired by California's.
In 1927, the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology (KWIA), an organization which concentrated on physical and social anthropology as well as human genetics, was founded in Berlin with significant financial support from the American philanthropic group, the Rockefeller Foundation.
@@corporalsilver6981 The modern eugenic movement appears in United States around the beginning of the 20th century. In the US, eugenics was largely supported after the discovery of Mendel's law which lead to a widespread interest in the idea of breeding for specific traits. U.S. eugenicists tended to believe in the genetic superiority of Nordic, Germanic and Anglo-Saxon peoples, supported strict immigration and anti-miscegenation laws, and supported the forcible sterilization of the poor, disabled and "immoral." The American eugenics movement received extensive funding from various corporate foundations including the Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman railroad fortune and by 1910, there was a large and dynamic network of scientists, reformers, and professionals engaged in national eugenics projects and actively promoting eugenic legislation wich in multiple ocations achieved their goals.
All things aside, he genuinely felt like a nice, understanding person. The scene itself was pretty intense, because the entire time, I was worried the guy's cover would get blown. Atleast that was until the ending of the episode.
Have you watched the show?
whose cover? both of these guys are nazis in the show
Stage 1: Demoralization
Stage 2: Destabilization
Stage 3: Crisis
Stage 4: Normalization
*In the police station*
Hey jhon what day is today?
-Leet me look outisde
*Star raining Ashes*
Yep, its tuesday
"Now I can't even remember what we were fighting for."
**Ashes from the municipal eugenics crematorium begin falling**
"...Oh yeah."
It’s funny because dysgenics will be the death of America, turning it into a place worse than Brazil.
That’s scary good writing as you see him a man who tried to stop it to see him have to be complicit in the atrocities and has to see it as normal as well he fought and failed and fighting again would be fruitless so he does his job and does it the best he can as anyone in his situation would and I’m the end doesn’t think about
What has always stuck with me is how casually he's discussing this, it would be like one of us discussing the bus times or a passing flock of birds. This scene sold me on the idea of the series
The line between good and evil crosses every person's heart.
Honestly one of the more powerful scenes of the whole show and a moment Joe actually thought about what was going on and not just doing spy things
Yeah. You could tell that despite his alignment, he wasn't 100% onboard with the whole genocide and murder part. Until they brainwashed him into being a fanatical puppet that is.
I guess the "Ich habe es nicht gewust" excuses isn't even attempted anymore at this point.
Ich habe es nicht gewusst. What is your excuse for bad German?
@@statinskill Not being German, and not taking the time to double check a comment I put under a short internet video.
My apologies, Herr Grammarnazi.
@@ALEXANDER1318 I don't see how you not being German excuses you from getting it right. Work harder!
@@statinskill If I as a non-German got everything correct, I'd be stealing the opportunity from the German people to shine through excellence.
@@ALEXANDER1318 People like you should be taken to a Grammar and Orthography Camp.
The indifference of it is what really sells the scene, complicity caused it.
The way the cop just casually say how the “hospital” just kills people to him is twilight levels of horror
It's raining men, hallelujah, it's raining men~
Damnit dude! Made me laugh lol
S P I C Y
Dark humor is like food, not everyone gets it.
STOP
"I can't even remember what we were fighting for..." sad words.
We fight for israel now!
Soldiers today don't even know what they're fighting for.
@@2UNIEK I know, revenge
@@undeadzero6785 Lol. Revenge for what?
@@2UNIEK oil prices rising, i think
0:29 i just noticed this but, they put the wrong tire on the block. the weight of the truck is resting on the axle he supposedly just changed :D
Wow. Just ... wow. This is one of my favorite novels, and I'm so glad to see it brought to life like this. Well done!
It's a dirty idiot novel tbh.
Fatherland was better.
@@AscentofTrollbane lol, insulting any work of Philip K. Dick is completely pointless. He and his works are loved by millions.
@@topsyandpip56 How does that make someone exempt from criticism? A majority of the world is comprised of idiots.
@@2UNIEK Not exempt. Just mocking herby for being contrarian for the sake of it.
“What’s that?” “Oh, that’s just the hospital, no big deal” 😳😳😳
Thing is while most Nazi crimes are vehemently condemned that one is forgotten about and is starting to be repeated in several European countries, especially Britain and the Netherlands where it has been forced
@@jonathanwilliams1065 What are you talking about? There is no European country which does what the video describes.
@@jonathanwilliams1065 No. That's a totally different thing. What you mean is the euthanasia of really sick people, who can't be cured but suffer from really painful and degrading diseases like cancer, in terminal stage. And it is of course based on the patient's free will and only if he or she ist still sane to make the decision...and NOBODY is FORCED to do it...neither the doctor, nor the patient.
@@pantheraleo1047 thats how it’s supposed to work
But in the Netherlands patients with dementia have been forced and even have been held down
And I’m the UK 2 babies were ordered to be denied care as the NHS thought they were better off dead and the parents were kept from taking them out of the hospital to get treatment abroad
@@jonathanwilliams1065 Well that would be highly illegal and the work of some real asshole nurses/doctors...may I ask where your information is coming from?
Steiner you dog, you did it🎉
I won't even pretend to be someone who fights for the righteous path simply because I'm not.
I would be a normal citizen obeying the rules of society and not really caring who runs the state I live in as long as I live in modest peace.
This is an honest and as objective as possible look at myself on these issues
Give the officer actor credit He speaks like he is always concerned he is being recorded
Chances are he’s being watched. Not all the time but he’s unlikely to know where and when
His character is likely held VERY accountable at work
R.I.P Phillip K. Dick, a man far ahead of the rest of us.
I can buy into the plausibility of it all up to the point where the cop changes his tire for him.
1:57 Sounds like present-day 'Liberal' Canada (minus the ashes).
Europe has been assisting suicide for many years now.
@@tobolulowe haven't been telling drug addicits and depressed people to do it, that's been Canada.
When my first child was born I was outside smoking a cigar, It was September, and it started to snow, big flakes too. But it wasn't cold. My dumb ass thought it was a miracle. someone else smoking there saw me puzzled and said "Maybe come over under the awning, that the ashes from the incinerator . . . body parts and stuff you know . . ."
The scene: has excellent dialogue and atmosphere that gives the viewer more insight into the world of the show and how it affects the characters.
Me the 1st time watching it: I bet this guy brings donuts to work on some mornings
See that’s the scary thing with evil. Because if you don’t stand up to it and keep fighting against it no matter the cost it will win. Because sure, at first you will be appalled by it. Then you will be saddened by it. Then you will end up being apathetic towards it (because you’re just so tired of being upset). Then, finally, you will just accept it because it has become normal, everyday, nothing to be upset about. It will have become just another Tuesday.
The banality of evil, people who commit atrocities aren't cartoon villains but ourselves and our neighbors.
No SJWs...still a better world
I would like to thank you for publicly declaring what side you were on when it comes to America vs. Traitors when you got triggered over a show about Nazis being bad
@@dorkmax7073 Being bad? Btw I'm german :D
@@astaroth7188 the based department would like to speak with you.
It's weird that I was just remembering this scene when it popped up in my recommended videos. I haven't even been watching anything related to The man in the High Castle
I loved how the pilot started out with this. This sort of subtly chilling world-building and environmental storytelling. Too bad it spent the rest of its 4-season run completely squandering that
Because the writers couldn't think of the world where "the bad guys" winning to continue on.
Especially BCR. They came out of nowhere and suddenly we were supposed to believe that a bunch of black people would overthrow the Japs, when the white majority couldn't
A drag in the state.
The way he said it is just brilliant,sad and terrifying.
For the most part, it feels like, "Ah, this isn't so bad!" Then suddenly you get reminded: "Ahhhhh, right. Right..."
This scene is perfect. From how polite and calm the officer was to the gentleman and talking about the ashes. The dialogue and most importantly the clothing. The officer first pulls up in full Nazi uniform looking intimidating, but as he’s helping him with the tire, he takes the uniform off like he’s also a civilian. I believe this represents the true nature of this officer. How he’s going along with the Nazis and they’re propaganda but secretly he’s truly an American trying to help out other lost fellow American.
In a way you’re right. Just another American watching as his government kills innocents.
@@JojoTheRed oh please.
You're really over analysing him taking off his coat lmao
@@JojoTheRed i mean they were invaded some people may not agree to it but some will always go along to survive most of the population in nazi occupied countries just go along not everyone resisted because what could they do? Their government surrendered and not everyone has the strength to fight on
@@Jupiter.141 Just be compliant. Stand at attention. Follow orders. Help the Nazis. Stare at the sun. Fuck collaborators.
Sucks this show derailed completely.
The ending to this shows last season, not only was the worst, it totally pissed me off on how bad everyone behind this show fucked a good concept of a story, instead of consequences and some good scifi with historic " what if" they just filled it with typical SJW and Gay/Straight romance circle jerks.
@@WojciechKozerski You'd think you'd expect that, no? A show where the Nazis won? Dystopian settings exist inherently to critique the systems they're portraying and show characters fighting back against the dystopian order. A gay romance and other "SJW" plotlines are exactly what I would hope to see in a show where the Nazis won. To show that evil, no matter how powerful it may seem, will always lose, and that justice and love will always win.
@@TheCommunistColin gross
@@TheCommunistColin That last sentence of yours was so cringy and cliche I wouldnt be surprised if you helped write the ending. You seem like one of those Rotten Tomato "critics" that circle jerk on how good a movie/show is just because it has SJW stuff in it. Meanwhile the audience hates it because its obviously not put there for character building but to grandstand and inadvertently ruins the story. You're out of touch with reality my friend
@@TheCommunistColin but the people who defeated the nazis IRL weren't a bunch of sjws. You don't have to find the polar opposite to defeat the bad guy in every movie. Often times, morally gray or somewhat disagreeable "heroes" make the best characters.
It's why people love shit like mandalorian. He does the right thing but hes not always thrilled about it and often has one foot in the darker side of life.
The men who stormed the beaches of Normandy and fought through france, and the men who died by the hundreds of thousands in stalingrad, were not a bunch of artistic, urban activist types who cared about identity politics or were guided by 2020 social politics.
The Soviets raped their way to Germany and the Americans segregated by race. Yet we celebrate them as the ones who freed europe from nazi rule.
“I don’t even remember what we were fighting for at this point”
5 seconds later..
“On Tuesday’s they burn cripples and the terminally ill”
….
I read the first part of the title and was like "Yea, what's new?" then I realized this was a clip from a show
Make sure to eat that ash covered sandwich after that
Holy crap this is so mind blowing and well made! I wish the show ended a lot better than it did. Such a strange yet fascinating alternate history!
imagine getting euthanized for being terminally ill then the next day someone invents a cure
It matters not for you end when it is your time.
Its the casual way he says it that sends me chills. "Yeah they burn the cripples on Tuesdays, anyway guess what i heard johnny told me last night on the phone".
"The Hospital?"
"Yeah. They burn the crippled, terminally ill..."
I don't know what to think anymore about this scene.
You purge the weak, but at the same time this is a cowardly move because humanity fails to understand and study these scenarios
Euthanasia
I find it a great way to keep the population stable
@@rohiths3554 Euthanasia should probably be voluntary, no?
@@rohiths3554 euthanasia's typically used as a mercy killing
Kinda weird I still remember him as Captain Mitchell from Power Rangers Lightspeed
Whoa, you're right.
This show had so much potential, especially when you see scenes like this... Only for them to ruin the show with multiversal travelling
@@Sniperking-7you clearly never read the book then
I have never seen this show. I have seen two clips from it today, however this clip is making me wanting to watch the show.
Moral of the story: You're the bad guy (in what he serves for)... but that doesn't mean you're a bad guy (in personality).
no hes definently a bad guy
Yes, Definently a bad Guy
@BloatedGaming Mind if I ask how old you are?
@BloatedGaming You can say nazi. They're nazis.
They're not socialists who put the state in service of the people. They're nazis. Nazis put people in service of the state.
And they would kill cripples. Actually, cripples HAVE been killed by nazis. As have black people, gay people, jewish people, people with different political views, handicapped people, mentally ill people, sick people and old people.
We know this because it happened and it was incredibly well documented. It happened right where I live. We also know that who belongs to the master race isn't a scientific truth, but a roll of the dice depending on how liked you are by the guy above you.
Don't let anyone fool you into thinking nazis aren't either evil or stupid. Because if you do, you're one of those two as well.
@@SmileLikeStudios
We both know why he’s saying national socialist instead of nazi, and it’s because people make it all so black and white that acting as the devil’s advocate in any capacity leads to an often undeserved ill-willed questioning of everything about the person in question. I think the fact that he feels he has to sugarcoat his answer instead of just giving it to you how it adds onto his point. Not everyone who fought for Germany was a mustache twirling cartoon villain. There were people on both sides of the war, both morally imperfect, and the modern agenda reflects the opposite of the truth. The modern agenda is a one-sided retelling of the events; “the good guys beat the bad guys!”, never mind Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. In order to view the war in more grounded perspective, people must leave preconceived notions of good and evil, or understand that war itself is the only evil.
There are thousands of comments in here acting all surprised that someone “on the bad side” is actually an altruistic, likeable individual, as if people didn’t have layers to them. What I dislike about this clip is that they feel the need to reveal that the cop fought against the nazis. It would have been far more interesting to challenge the current agenda and omitted that. Of course, the creator thought it was too risky, and backed down, making this scene lose so much of its meaning.
The worst part is, the "protagonist" here probably doesn't even care, because he himself is a loyal member of the party. He has his doubts but in the end he chooses his country, which means ultimately he supports these things.
Makes you wonder how many died in this timeline, as the cop confirms, this is happening everywhere, and it appears that it's happening at least once a week.
In real life they were stopped at between 11 and 23 million, after just five years, what would've happened if they were allowed to keep going for 20 more years?!
Not to mention, clearly America fought nearly as bitterly as Germany did in real history, so combat fatalities must've also been equally inflated on all sides.(America had about twice Germany's manpower in 1944, for them to lose this hard they had to have lost at least several million on both fronts, and judging by combat statistics, German and Japanese deaths would've been so high it would've nearly crippled their countries... We don't even know what happened to Russia but one can assume that whatever happened to America, they got 30 times worse.
*Spoiler alert*
He was a nazi and his dad was a high ranking nazi officer in germany. So yeah, you're right.
@@marker-9514 You could tell he had Rebel sympathies - he was in love with a Jewish girl after all... But despite that, he chose his deadbeat father over her, and the country he claimed was his home.
When he left New York, he could've easily just taken on his Rebel cover as a new identity and turned over. But he didn't.
In the end, he was neither a full Nazi, nor a rebel, he died a pathetic death without a cause, killed by probably his only true friend... That's rough buddy.
Also, it kinda ruins the tension in this scene when you realize Smith probably loaded him down with enough papers to get into the Reichstag without question.
US Didn't lose because of an invasion (which could have been fought off) but after Nazis dropped a nuke on Washington D.C. = killing all the leadership and army generals etc. After that USA surrendered.
Edit - to clarify. There was an ongoin invasion, but it wasn't the cause of the surrender (so it was not because of casualties).
It's similar to how it was with Japan. Japan would have fighted until the bitter end, so USA dropped nukes (to test them + to save time and soldiers). Same thing in The man in the high castle with Nazis dropping nuke on USA, to end the war faster.
@@BeSk9991 Makes sense, but personally I doubt America would surrender that easily, they had a _lot_ more people, if anything losing Washington and their leadership would only anger the American people and fuel the war drive even more.
Personally I see it more likely that America would turn more into a mirror of the Eastern Front, with bitter, ruthless fighting for every street, every town, and every factory... Wasn't it Yamamoto who said something about a rifle behind every blade of grass?
Then again, with the threat of more nukes, maybe it would've worked, if it worked on Imperial Japan it could work on anyone.
@@trainknut the simple fact of Germany ever getting the nuke first before the US is complete fantasy. This is because #1 the US had a far larger/richer economy to fund such a program but even then most of Germany's scientists in the nuclear field fled to the US. While Germany was trying to find their wonder weapon to end the war they thought extremely little of nuclear power as a weapon
These comments are evidence that allowing Americans to continue using the internet is a massive mistake.
Why
@@norikofu509 the scene is insanely dumb and on the nose lol
Sad how there are alot of people that would remain complacent and not fight back...just like today...its happening right now. Ever so slowly
@@JoeBidenIsAClown Even worse than Biden...hes just the puppet to set the stage for something worse.
"we see the startling compatibility of "traditional American values" and Nazism"
No I think we see how a human being copes with living in an authoritarian state. This isn't fiction for some parts of the world.
This wasn't fiction for nazi germany. The Nazi's used violence to get what they want and had surprisingly little public support.
But you only need to be bigger and meaner than the others to take charge and after that everyone complied.
there's a reason why the majority of the Schindler/Frank stories happened outside of Germany- most ended up complicit or actively supporting the regime, even if initially they might have strongly opposed it.
@@jamham69 And its happening in China right now.
you may think that, but you'd be wrong. american eugenics laws were, in fact, very influential on the nazis. for example, when determining racial classifications, the nazis looked to american 'one drop' and anti-miscegenation laws. as James Whitman, author of Hitler's American Model, writes ‘America had, by a wide margin, the harshest law of this kind […] Connected with these anti-miscegenation laws was a great deal of American jurisprudence on how to classify who belonged to which race.’
Before WWII, eugenics was pretty popular in the US, as was the local Nazi party. Reminder that in the year this series is set in (1962), American apartheid was still fully enforced in the real world. To claim that, had the Nazis won, their beliefs wouldn't have been happily accepted by a significant share of the American population is just wishful thinking.
@@axel6269 You want to back any of that up?
"we see the startling compatibility of "traditional American values" and Nazism." guy is being nice whilst being complicit. There is no comparison. You could do this with any culture.
Yeah, but everybody needs to make some sort of tortured political point to paint their ideological enemies as Nazis or Communists, so here we are.
@@dexboat1733 This.
@@dexboat1733 Except a lot of the Nazi's ideas of eugenics came straight from the fucking US of A baby YEE YEE
Theres a thing people don't understand in this scene its that not only does it show how quickly loyalty can shift as the soldier has ebcome complacent with the new order, but the real meaning of this scene is actually to show how the lines of usefullness are drawn. Everyone has a line they draw¨when it comes to accepting somone or somthing as incompitent or useless. The Nazis cut this line at people who are disabled or sick. We see here that he is in need of help not only showing that he is incompetent as a truck driver but also that he is causing "drag". In there lies a fear of when you disapoint others or fail to meet thier demands how you can be cut from society as you are viewed as a burden. Who knows when you will overstep this line? Or if the line changes?
Good reminder that there is no "right side of history." There is only history
The nazis were objectively the wrong side of history
@@TheHorseOutside If the Nazis won, the Americans would have been on the “wrong side of history.” there is no objective view of history. It is only subjective.
This.
@@kaixiang5390 ikr. It’s like people can’t think for themselves.
I can't even remember what we were fighting for.
As it rains ash from cripples and probably other ethnic races deemed "Undesirable" by the Nazi's.
What a great scene, showing how broken and defeated the US became after the Nazi's took over.
From my POV, I think it's the right thing to do. For the terminally ill, I've seen my Grandmother's cancer get progressively worse and her agonizing cries due to the pain caused by the cancer gave me nightmares when I was 10. But my country doesn't allow mercy kill so she had to endure the pain till she died while my family watched. Mercy killing is both a relief to the patient and the family though obviously not through burning.
Meanwhile, killing cripples or those who have both defects would helps us get rid of those defects. A sort of natural selection like the COVID, but done through human ways
Also, as Nazis are socialists, a lot of money must be spent on social programs, this can help them lessen the cost
@@crispyengineer7521 Mercy killing through euthanasia and the forced collection herding of mass death that the nazi party followed are vastly different and are hardly comparable. So that won't fit what you're looking for.
You'd also be extremely stretched to find any current dominating political party that would agree with eugenics.
If you're looking for social welfare you'd probably look instead towards social democrat countries, such as the Scandinavian model. The only branches of socialism we've seen function in this world are the side branches of Maoism and Marxist-lenism, which preach the concept of socialism at the hand of a strong authoritarian regime to prevent uprisings from `counter revolutionaries.' So perhaps Stalin or Mao or modern day Venezuela would be more your style. Except both Russia and China ended up becoming state capitalist nations with free market sectors, so that kinda hits the point that, marxist leninism at the very least, doesn't work.
The Nazi party built itself on right-leaning ideals of intense nationalism, racial superiority, Christian dogma, and an entirely capitalised industrial sector. All their programs were focused on reinvesting capital into scientific and military developmeny. The Nazi party was only labelled socialist at the time because it was a worker's union. If you want socialism, it's not going to be there.
@@Jon_Snowhite "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism" This is what Hitler said when asked about it in 1943. He claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps".
So Nazism is basically it's a moshpit of all ideologies, the government practically controls all industry, though they let big corporations to continue and even allowed them to be monopolies, they have good social security for Aryans
But frankly I'm thinking im out of league here since I'm only 16 and my history class hasn't touched European history yet only Hong Kong Japan and China.
@@crispyengineer7521 aye, Nazism at it's peak, in the same essence as Stalinism and Maoism, essentially began turning away from right or left leaning ideologies and began forming pure facism.
What made the rise to Nazism right-leaning and counter to the concept of Socialism are the above mentioned topics and are listed in that same article you read.
To look for socialism or Marxist lenism in nazism would cause any socialist or intellectual to take a wide berth from you and tear their hair out. Outside a dictatorship, Nazism conflicted with many of Marx's depictions of socialism.
You'd also note that from that same article, Hitler did not want to follow Marxist dogma.
Implying America is not broken and defeated internally today. what once was America is being crushed from the inside by identity and progressive politics.