Breaking down a BAD FOLD in Poker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Bart breaks down a call-in spot where he thinks the caller made a bad fold.
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3:00 “It would not surprise me if he shows up with 75 off here”
That was quite telling in retrospect. I’m never folding getting almost 5:1 vs a guy playing 75o in a 3 bet pot from UTG.
Bart "the preflop raise is a little on the small side" Hanson. Pretty sure that's mandatory in every video.
4x min is standard there that’s why.
I can only speak anecdotallly for "Texas" poker, but experience sez people call light A LOT. Scooping dead money from "scared money" players is smart. Establishing "dominance" narrows your opponent's Range, too.
The Garrett Effect lol.
He didn’t add the caller to the raise size, pretty standard
How do you know it wasn’t his position that he didn’t account for?
That's just a snap call on the river for that bet size.
Straight misses, you block with the J of spades, good pot odds. I think you call expecting to break even overall or win a little. And shows the table you won’t be bowled over by bets on the river on future hands so keeps your image respectable.
My take as well. If he shows the flush or called flop with overs and had the K good for him. If pot was smaller MAYBE I can see a fold but not getting this price
Absolutely spot on.
68 straight hits, having J of spades doesn't really "block" much, esp not AK or AQs. the real reason you call is that he could have anything, and odds are higher he didn't hit, and you're getting a good price. not because of any of the reasons you said.
@@GregoryZ75 68 was already a straight on the flop so it didn’t “hit” and plus it would often raise before the river.
How do you put in 200 on the turn and fold for 275 on the river? Plus 4 to 1. I actually put the opponent on 56 or 67 but still…
I love how all these pros who've moved to Texas now realize what live games look like for most of their audience..ie guys who play 75 off utg. Especially love to hear Bart say he's going to try and add this aspect into his training.
This spot/hand presents a nice river merge. Ofc it depends on dynamics, V’s image, Hero’s image. We credibly have rivered flushes and if V is rarely at the top for this sizing, combined with Hero having street cred, we print by raising.
That's just painful, even if I think I might be beat I'm making the crying call...4 to1 and he could have almost any BS with the line he took, look at all the AsX combos all 8s, 9s, 10s. Just no way I could find a fold here.
Ok so on river I haven’t heard the Bart pro breakdown but it’s a snap call for me because the price
First I want to say, thanks for all the time/work you put in Bart!!! Next, I saw no comment that noticed you said "bleffed" 😂 I went back to make sure, and indeed you said it. HCL got in your head man.
Good Turn discussion at around 7 min mark. Bart says if the board is even less connected than this one and a high card comes you get to bet bigger. I would have thought the opposite. You can bet smaller because high card favours our range and villain likely has a small pair at best, no draw. It was a quick comment but something I'd like to grasp. Any comments?
Sometimes you have to call even when you expect to lose more often then not
Bart and air hero nailed the flop analysis. I like 1/3 in this spot on the flop cause this board isn’t that good for us while both of our opponents have all the sets (even though an optimal player shouldn’t have any, double flatter most likely a complete fish). Also like the small sizing for exactly the reason Bart mentioned; these guys can have lots of air in these suboptimal ranges on a board like this.
Without seeing result... I check back turn, we're not getting three streets from 88-TT/66. Call most river bets. AP call river.
I’d rather get my 2 streets by betting turn and then checking behind rivers.
Too many draws to check the turn I feel.
Thought this was a well played and reasoned hand by the player up until the river. Wayyyyy too much garbage the villain could do this with to not call a the little block.
Hero was playing with "scared money". You just call it and sigh "Good hand" if you're wrong.
Especially after him saying on the flop that the villain could have 75 offsuit. He’s got a ton of trash in his range if that’s the case.
King what of spades? AK potentially since UTG open but no 4 bet so slightly discounted. Hero blocks KJ of spades, could have KQ of spades. K10 as well but slightly less. K9 , K8 getting fishy opening under the gun, so also opens up many more hands at that point, thus discounts them again. I am thinking villain is setting up a river overbet knowing his opponent is a MuB player (Monsters! Under the Bed)
You can fold this against some players, but if you think the guy might call your 3 bet preflop with 7-5 off, I think it's a call.
you're probably looking at a blocker bet for V's two pair, but it's probably a sigh call vs this player
Pot odds are too good I would definitely call
Those small valuey river bets can really be annoying so I understand why Hero folded. If villain had a flush he can't really expect Hero to call too much so $275 looks like he's wanting to get paid. Problem is the math for bluffs, if he get folds 1 in 4 times he's still profitable (since the pot odds are 4.x to 1) which is what makes those small bluff sizes so immensely profitable. When villain has the goods he can pretty much just pocket $200-300 every time he has a flush and yet get folds more than 25% of the time when he's bluffing. This is why it has to be a snap call even if you believe your opponent.
I thought call straight away but I am good.
congratulations on all your skills.
@@justinspirito4919 Thankyou.
Great point on the river sizing… 700 or 800 puts JJ in a brutal spot and I would probably end up folding it… gotta polarize your range!
as always very nice Bart
fold...block bet... great analysis....
When the caller said the king hit his range more than Utg I believe he was very far from being right … Utg has all the kings kk,Aks,Ako,kqs,Kjs,k10s, sometimes and a lot of guys play all the broadway kings and k9 suites. Lot .. I like these videos as I’m learning poker it opens my eyes to what I’m learning and I’m grateful for you content Bart thank you
Keep in mind it is not just his UTG opening range to consider, it is also the range he would flat a 3bet with a man behind and also would check call this flop. Would he just call the 3bet pre with KK or AK? Would he check call the flop with a KT that wasn't a flush draw? These are the things to keep in mind when thinking about ranges, good luck on your poker journey.
KK and Aks are 4 betting definitely, AKo some of the time
I’m sending this after only the turn decision so I’m not results based but isn’t the turn a good check behind?
I think going into check down mode with TT/JJ/QQ the second an overcard comes is a mistake. He really should only have KXss, so if we were ahead on the flop we are still ahead. There are a ton of draws though, so we do need some protection. I'd probably bet turn and then x back most rivers if he checks to me.
@@joshuanobles9431 and there’s not a lot of combos of Kxss either. He opened from UTG and then called a 3 bet with a another player left to act.
AKss will 4 bet some of the time. We have the J. So it’s really only KQss that he should have and maybe KTss.
Villain must've thought to himself before that bluff
"This is so stupid it just might work"
A6, with the Ace of Spades would be a viable bluff.
The only issue is how long to fake dwell the river before calling I never fold any value hand getting these odds
Ax spades not an option?
His range is too wide and the price is too good.
Caller should open up an online Merch Store; Monsters! Under the Bed.
Not sure 100 percent but I think the bluff was good .. if you have showdown value and you bluff it should be smaller if you have no showdown value and you bluff it should be bigger .. like half pot to way bigger than half pot … and like small pairs or ace high should be like third pot … I’m not sure if it’s 100 percent gto but that’s how I learned it … and the fold was a little nutty but Iv been there … confused and not wanting to lose more especially on days I seemed to have horrible luck … but the pot odds were there you only need to win 22 percent of the time … so his bluff ratio should be around 70 /30 so your always making a plus ev call …
Lots of words… no wisdom…
Or is that to nitty and not charging draws
His range is thin value bets and the nuts. jam as a bluff.
Let’s take our Js and shove river here blocking the flush. We can rep a flush and get him off a king / bluff. It’s better than folding
Why would we want to try and make him fold a bluff?
As for a king, what Kx does he have that isn’t a flush?
Good luck getting some live donkey to fold top pair.
I think it could work but if his bluff was ace of spades with a k he double blocked the flush lol I think no matter how you look at it a call is plus ev … every single time … if he has a king once and he a spade once and he bluffs once which is what he should be betting twice for value to one bluff you would lose 500 dollers by calling twice and losing but you would win 1250 by getting it right once … call every time it’s guaranteed to make you more money than not cause the break even point is 1-5 or something like that …
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Kx diamonds....mayyybe
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj If your 2 options are folding or raising, there is incentive to fold him off a bluff, it's part of what makes the shove profitable
If calling is neg EV, shoving may be +EV compared to folding if some of the bets are bluffs in addition to his thin value hands
Such an easy call. I'm never folding for that amount.
That's a call for that price. How can you fold there? 😑
To Bart, and his Wife, congrats on 69
There’s no way I would fold this but also I hate folding
My worse play in my poker in history just recently. Playing 2/5 with 3200, straddle and get KK. Early pos raises to 30, a guy in button raises to 70 and I raise to 300. Early calls with a big stack, and button goes all in with 16-1700 n I ended up talking my self into a fold. Early calls and button has QQ and the Early had some suited connected hand. What's crazy is the next orbit I'm the bb with AA, same Early pos raise, same button guy re raise. I used the same sizing to 300 and we end up with a three way all in. Early own known hand, and KK. KK trips up on flop and I turned an A for one of the biggest wins ever
Yeah that was a pretty painful read with KK you close your eyes and go all in every time expecially with these crazy recs now in days.
Good fold. It's irrelevant what V had.
nit
Caller had the range advantage after the flop came .. 100 percent huge range advantage …
3bet pot, K comes, you gotta check. Just because if he calls or raises, you fucked. And 99 or 88 do not call anyway. You got called, then 9 comes, frondor comes and Bart still says that there could be 10-10 or 8-8 and "pot odds" are great. Fuck no. Pott ods are great only because you bet on turn when you were supposed to check.
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