What's the WORST PLAY you can make at Low Stakes?

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  • Bart Hanson, owner of Crush Live Poker explains one of the worst plays that you can make at the low stakes of poker.
    In this hand Ryan calls in with one where he flops ace high and an open ended straight draw, turns top pair and gets raised and then is faced with a river decision when he makes aces up. He and Bart go over the options from out of position at the end of the hand.
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  • @noahschmartz2354
    @noahschmartz2354 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    thanks Bart for keeping these vids coming, brilliant as usual.

  • @DONK2
    @DONK2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice breakdown, much respect!

  • @phenofoxe1428
    @phenofoxe1428 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    His mindset is definitely bluff 2 pairs and 3 of a kind to fold with the straight set up on river.
    I had him on Broadway ace suited spades. I was leaning more for A K or A Q

  • @user-uy8eo8xb3p
    @user-uy8eo8xb3p 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have got much better at poker Bart within 3 years

  • @Mitjitsu
    @Mitjitsu หลายเดือนก่อน

    I could understand if Villain raised the turn with A3/A6/A8 of spades, but his line throughout is typical of someone only thinking of their own cards.

  • @bryanjohnson8162
    @bryanjohnson8162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's kind of crazy how we didn't discuss Ace suited on the flop or the turn it totally went over my head but after seeing it shown makes a lot of sense

    • @AlexH274
      @AlexH274 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      suited A is often in a ton of hands that are raised pre-flop / calling a raise pre-flop.

  • @gratler
    @gratler ปีที่แล้ว

    really interesting hand and great analysis. however I'm not even necessarily sure that villians bet on the River wasnt for value. look at it from his view: you raise (you have tight image) you bet flop (could be TT JJ QQ KK etc.) A comes bet again small (he thinks this is a block bet and he has you with pair of A and just in case he doesnt he has outs) river you check. he knows he has a loose image so he goes for value with his A. rec players play weird lines sometimes that dont make sense but i noticed that even bad players are usually aware of their image and know when to bet light for value. often they valueown themselves but sometimes they get a call from worse and that is what they remember and so they keep doing that.

  • @pashadia
    @pashadia ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with betting the river for all the started reasons; but building on top of those, in my experience an overbet is called by a worse hand with almost the same range as a half-pot bet.
    Why not shove the river?

  • @lmw94002
    @lmw94002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've feel like I've been in games like this a lot. Where this type of player is at a table, goes on a little run / gets lucky and accumulates some chips and everyone wants to get in against him. This video def helps me in how to think through the hand when I've got a good, but not great hand.

    • @officeofpeaceinformation5094
      @officeofpeaceinformation5094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I call these players weigh stations because they are just holding chips for you temporarily, it’s just a matter of Time. Im rooting for them to run good.

    • @jeffshackleford3152
      @jeffshackleford3152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@officeofpeaceinformation5094I like this term.
      I may steal it.
      I will credit you in any future uses of the term.
      I play in a few games where this guy is a super station and he picks off bluffs all day long, then when I finally make a hand, I take all his hard work away.
      I have played with this guy for 30 or so sessions and he still hasn't figured out that is what I do.

  • @jolaz69
    @jolaz69 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I’m breaking down this hand, I’m telling the hero to fold the turn. With the flush draw on board. The hero is drawing to only 6 realistic clean outs making him an 85% dog.

  • @talangue
    @talangue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    holy shit could this be any slower paced?

    • @jimuren2388
      @jimuren2388 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jason Beaulieu I doubt it ...

    • @maximehebert4627
      @maximehebert4627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      play it at 1.5x speed

    • @jimuren2388
      @jimuren2388 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maximehebert4627 To be fair, Mr Crush seems to be balancing his check book simultaneously with interacting with the interviewee. Well, who knows what he's doing on top of monitoring the live feed but clearly he's not single-tasking. So, that might explain why his attention is not ... shall we say ... laser focused LOL

    • @kennylingus4595
      @kennylingus4595 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen less plodding analyses when I've asked "Is there a God?

    • @mbtadhl
      @mbtadhl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats why many poker players don't indulge in hand analysis, its very tedious. This was especially brutal.

  • @tristanjinx
    @tristanjinx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Given his table image of playing any two cards it makes sense for the villain to turn AsTs into a bluff on the river where there’s a four-liner. From villain’s perspective the only hands he should be getting called by are those which have made the smart end of the straight specifically A.8 and 8.8.

  • @percyblok6014
    @percyblok6014 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why can't I find games like this?

  • @brawrecords
    @brawrecords ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In your analysis, not once was it mentioned the guy had the nut flush draw. I think the guy played the hand perfectly apart from the raise on the turn and maybe the value bet on the river.

  • @bennygoods22
    @bennygoods22 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man this guy hasn’t aged a bit, just caught on it’s an old video. He is way more polished in the calls and delivery now tho

  • @boboleary6607
    @boboleary6607 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shout out to Rivers Schenectady! I work right down the road.

  • @wesch6354
    @wesch6354 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ran into a guy exactly like this last week. He called any pre flop bet with anything. Even all in jams. I had AQo and raised pre. Flop was rainbow A high. I bet he calls. Turn is a blank. I bet he calls. River puts a 3rd heart on the board. At this point there is more in the pot than I have in my stack so I put the rest out there. He calls and shows T4h. He called me all they way down with just a back door flush draw and made it. You have to be careful with these types of players. In the scenario in this video I was 100% expecting the villain to have A3o.

  • @neopromise
    @neopromise 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx for the lesson .

  • @lewismilesbarber1
    @lewismilesbarber1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I don't think he was bluffing the river, these types of players aren't thinking on the level of "what can call me for this size", they are looking at their hand and thinking "I have top pair so I should bet"

    • @MrAgmoore
      @MrAgmoore ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Top pair, decent kicker, repping a possible straight draw.

    • @Love1isall
      @Love1isall ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, they frequently turn mediocre hands into bluffs accidentally 😂

    • @jeffshackleford3152
      @jeffshackleford3152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Love1isallI could definitely be accused of this from time to time.
      Then other times I have had situations where I thought I was bluffing only to have value bet.
      Then I have certainly value owned myself plenty of times as well.

    • @alexjohn5251
      @alexjohn5251 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jeffshackleford3152lol I did that my last session. Had QX❤ with 2 hearts on the board, river was a third spade. Bluffed my missed flush draw for the other flush and won at showdown with a pair of queens? Wish I knew what the other 2 mucked. 1-3 is wild.

  • @jaketaylor3129
    @jaketaylor3129 ปีที่แล้ว

    A bunch of spades he could have as a bluff. Broadway spades without the ace obv and he could raise the turn with a flush draw. Im not saying he’s likely to have naked spades, I’m just saying its certainly possible.

  • @kristermister4791
    @kristermister4791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I liked this call and I liked this caller! (Don't think caller initially mentioned villain was aggro because when villain bombed river I too was under impression he was loose passive, not necessarily aggro/bluffy). Great analysis from Bart, including line of leading out on river as we block 6 8, etc.

  • @jasonlavoie1465
    @jasonlavoie1465 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could have even been 2/3 with the turn aggression

  • @georgewbushcenterforintell147
    @georgewbushcenterforintell147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The worst low stakes play determined is playing a hand just for the chance of a jackpot . Low stakes players use this as a excuse to play any suited cards and make people feel bad for not giving as much action . So 6 4 suited is not likely to be a jackpot hand but it can and if you dont play it you might kill the jackpot many will say. I say F the jackpot it's just a way for the house to rake more money and create the illusion of a big winner .

    • @mattstieg5388
      @mattstieg5388 ปีที่แล้ว

      I go to different table if stuck w OMCs chasing the high hand. Happens more early in the day.

    • @georgewbushcenterforintell147
      @georgewbushcenterforintell147 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattstieg5388 high hand is one thing you can will that with your mind sometimes. The jackpot is incredibly hard to hit . Out of 22 years of playing cash games poker I once got a table share of the jackpot at the bike I got 1600 $ also happen to be when Jamie gold was playing at the high stakes table I think Niel was the host .

  • @jessiejones8061
    @jessiejones8061 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would villain play 8 9 spade the same way?

  • @clayvision
    @clayvision 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Calling

  • @pokerpat6470
    @pokerpat6470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great job Bart, please keep em' coming. VERY enjoyable. FYI the Poker Beast recommended you. Thanks and regards, PJK

  • @wormholewest
    @wormholewest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bart is trying to apply reason to a player who is just gonna barrel and be aggressive with any hand, villain is just a maniac. Still, nice hero call!

  • @tonypovilitus2408
    @tonypovilitus2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check calling river bc he said he was some1 wild playing every hand

  • @bobloomis246
    @bobloomis246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not knowing the vill, couldn't he have over played say a 6,6 and then got lucky on the river? Could he have tried a bluff on the turn when the A came?

  • @michaelcraft6657
    @michaelcraft6657 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:40 AJ? what about 89 suited spades?

  • @MrMjn5000
    @MrMjn5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks bart for all the videos and commentary....

  • @johnnyboychess
    @johnnyboychess 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Although I feel like the advice is sound. This logic is hard to follow and I don’t feel a better player from listening to this analysis.
    This player has been said to been running well while also playing any 2 cards. While that’s important, in most cases he’s not truly playing ANY 2 cards but understand you’re playing a wider range. With that in mind, even though he’s playing wider pre-flop doesn’t mean he has nothing which leads us to the logical question: “what’s his range” and what does he think you have/ your range is.
    By the river he very well probably thought you didn’t have a 3 and over bet A10. Maybe he overvalued it, maybe he put you on 2 pair that was scared and wanted a fold.
    But the whole time through this analysis, we should’ve started to establish a range of hands, and based our decisions to check/bet/check-raise based on what our villains range was.

  • @Williy_Nilly
    @Williy_Nilly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great hand to discuss 👍

  • @travisuplinger7767
    @travisuplinger7767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    He takes thinking to the next step and it's easy to see where he comes up with a logical play. I find my self doing it in certain situations but not as much as I should.

  • @alexc2259
    @alexc2259 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dont understand why bluffing w A 10 at the end is a bad play.

  • @dustinpitre2278
    @dustinpitre2278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bluffing my ass, it’s 1/3 player owning the table the past hour value betting his ace

  • @DoctorSuccessful
    @DoctorSuccessful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I know some guys who vpip close to 100%, but then play pretty straight up post

    • @justiceforall3973
      @justiceforall3973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You know, Mike Postle?
      Where the hell is he? Lol

    • @1stFactChecker
      @1stFactChecker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True, not every preflop call station plays loose or aggressive on flop.

    • @jonathanpezzati9115
      @jonathanpezzati9115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The most hilarious is when you make all in vs one of them and he gets pocket aces in his hand. Freaking game

    • @nicks210684
      @nicks210684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanpezzati9115 I played a game with a 100% VPIP, literally wouldn’t fold any hand preflop to any bet size. Must have been drunk or something.
      He limped UTG, folded round to me in the small blind, I shove with KK, big blind calls, fish calls. Big blind has AA and triples up 🙄. Fish leaves table fml.

    • @jonathanpezzati9115
      @jonathanpezzati9115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nicks210684 could you imagine AA from a 70%+ VPIP? I literally don't. This is why I'm taking a pause from poker online

  • @88mphDrBrown
    @88mphDrBrown 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He wasn't bluffing, in his head it was 100% for value. I also agree with your logic of bet folding the river.

  • @gabrielrockman
    @gabrielrockman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I disagree with Bart about the worst play. I think the worst play is when you try to bluff someone that you know is a calling station.

  • @johnlogan9052
    @johnlogan9052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He probably put hero on AQ or AK (hero said he had only been showing exceptional hands... which in this instance the range could be AKs or AQs or a set...) and knew he was behind and the 6 on the river was a good card to bluff for that specific range. He also knows that you know he is playing any 2 cards so his range is more likely to have the straight combinations. I don't think the villain didn't know what he was doing... I think he just made too small of a bet. Imo a bet here of 475 would be solid and force a fold.

    • @pedromartins7747
      @pedromartins7747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Einstien Brown yep, I am confused by that idea too - and also the fact that they keep talking about how the villain was bluffing because he was polarized... he bet 1/2 pot on the river... he was clearly value betting. if he wanted to polarize he would have gone all in for a little less than pot.

  • @MrDigitalMiami
    @MrDigitalMiami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Monster call that could have been easier on the pocket if he would have just bet the amount he wanted on the river. Sometimes being out of position helps when you are the first to bet the pot; especially when you 3 barrel it. Nice hand!

  • @tonypovilitus2408
    @tonypovilitus2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess checking the river was right move lol like poker is poker 2022 no “rightway” to play if u know how to play poker u know how to play poker… 90s early 2000s u could play like Mike Matasow and win now then dawn in 2010s… I think poker agiainn is different 2020s

  • @CNCTEMATIC
    @CNCTEMATIC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so the worst play at low stakes is....?

  • @mattbrick1246
    @mattbrick1246 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    seems like a fold pre

  • @Noondroid
    @Noondroid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Sounds like a fun table.

  • @SilentJay321
    @SilentJay321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm just a noob, so take this for its worth. But I don't see Villan's play as bad here at all until the river. He flats your open with A10s on the button which is fine. He has the nut flush draw 35% of the time after the flop with 2 overs on the board. Calling your half pot bet is a positive EV play for him every time. He can put hero on a super wide range at this point. When the Ah comes on the turn and you lead for about 1/3, pot, I like his re-raise because it turned your hand face up. If you are calling, he knows you have an Ace and he has the nut flush blocker. At best for you, maybe you have a combo draw with your ace. He can still draw to the nuts. But maybe you have a better kicker than his A10. When he misses the flush on the river, at that point when you check, he has to make a decision. Does he feel is 10 is too low as a kicker and you have AJ+ so he needs to bluff? Is he trying to fold out your lower 2 pair holdings? 3 or an 8 give you a straight. That is 10 possible other hole cards he loses to with A10. He only beats A,2 and A9, and splits with A10. I see the river bet as a bluff not a punt. I feel like his mistake was his sizing was too small. Because he should have put hero on an Ace, evaluated what he could beat, realized your weakness on the river check after calling the turn reraise.

  • @tom-qj6uw
    @tom-qj6uw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bart, I'd like this hand analysed from villain's side, i.e. "I have a pretty wild image and sit with AsTs and 800$ effective stacks on the Button, UTG limps and villain -a decent player - opens the CU for 25$, I call, BB + UTG call. ..."

  • @davidespinoza310
    @davidespinoza310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So hero got lucky on the river only had 2 outs

  • @straight_flizzy
    @straight_flizzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great advice. Needed this reminder

  • @Glitch47278
    @Glitch47278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    This villain wasn’t bluffing river, guys who play every hand don’t think on the level of turning top pair into a bluff. He was betting for value and prob didn’t notice that there was 4 to a straight on the board.

    • @SFreedberg1
      @SFreedberg1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree

    • @whotookmybadjas
      @whotookmybadjas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      He was probably not even betting for value, just betting because top pair has to bet, right? There is absolutely no thought process that he wants to be called by worse (pretty much all worse Ax has him beat, even if you discount the Ax with a straight). Fish don't think in terms of bluff and value (at least in the correct way), they either click random buttons or do something because "you're supposed to".

    • @c10wnbaby22
      @c10wnbaby22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @CrushlivePoker Bart can you do a PSA about what effective stack means so the callers don't keep using it incorrectly? Its always hilarious when they go around the table and list everyones stack as their 'effective stack.' Lol hey callers effective means the lowest of the stacks at the time. Callers just parroting terms with 0 idea what's going on.

    • @jamesfancher7508
      @jamesfancher7508 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @CrushlivePoker Bart can you do a PSA on basic english so I don't have to read sentences containing phrases like "don't keep using it incorrectly?"

    • @c10wnbaby22
      @c10wnbaby22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesfancher7508 haha found the guy who doesn't know what effective stack size is. P.S. your brain is just too underdeveloped to read.

  • @duhbing
    @duhbing ปีที่แล้ว

    The Master

  • @davidflies.
    @davidflies. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great breakdown! Nice hand

  • @DJcyberslash
    @DJcyberslash 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey could you please use 4 color cards? It's hard to tell spades from the clubs.

  • @mikebiff232
    @mikebiff232 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do you call the villain's $325 river bet a bluff? I get it that he doesn't have the nuts, but are you still considering the $325 river bet a bluff if the villain believes his A10 is the best hand here?

  • @bobbuilder5430
    @bobbuilder5430 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weird... villain had nut flush draw post flop... then hit top pair on the turn and value bet... villain was winning whole way through until hero got lucky on the river with two pair. Was a bit of an odd sizing on river bet as it was a bit of a bluff at that point against the straight draw.

    • @richardlug6139
      @richardlug6139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did everything somewhat right except his bet on the river he should have checked, because IMO the only hands that call him are hands that can beat you. The hero got lucky on the river he is the type that calls off a lot of chips during a night of poker.

  • @AleksiVattaja
    @AleksiVattaja 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    32 was all I could think during this hand, really surprised it wasnt that honestly. I think villain would play it excactly like this. For sure he bets a 7-3 straight on the river when checked to.

    • @nonma2312
      @nonma2312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that's *all* you could think? 32? seriously?

    • @nathanh8355
      @nathanh8355 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why the hell would the villain check raise the turn with 32? If anything guys that play anything and everything gets extra scared when they see an A on the board when they don’t have one. The point here is that you need to start putting people on ranges, not a specific hand. I thought maybe pocket 4s or something but definitely not 23 once that Ace came on the turn and he ended up check raising. I don’t think 73 plays the hand this way either.

    • @nicks210684
      @nicks210684 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nathan H 32 makes a straight on the turn, why would they be scared of an ace? They’re only losing to 63 and 86 which are pretty unlikely preflop raises from hero.

  • @SuicidelG
    @SuicidelG ปีที่แล้ว

    shouldn't you be betting bigger in low frequency spots, i.e. you're usually never c-betting here but because you have an open ender and backdoor flush. I would think you'd want to make it $75

  • @MrBlack-wt5er
    @MrBlack-wt5er 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think preflop slow playing big pairs is the worst play in microstakes, if you haven't played a hand in awhile some of them are surprisingly smart enough to know what a pair of aces are....

  • @enemyfleet7139
    @enemyfleet7139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A6s preflop raises to 425 (8.3bb) and gets three callers, all out of position, and $800-$1200 dollar stacks..... in a $1/3 game. SMH.

    • @iceman9646
      @iceman9646 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He raised to 25

  • @TodaysThemeIs
    @TodaysThemeIs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Poker Brat ain't got nothin on the Poker Bart

  • @emphyriohazzl1510
    @emphyriohazzl1510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The main reason to not cbet in this spot is that facing a raise or a check raise would be a very bad turn of event. Against very passive players, cbetting small is ok.

  • @samb9403
    @samb9403 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting question on what it is "special villain" is thinking. Is it possible "special villain" is just turning his hand to a bluff? He may have known he's beat after hero calls check raise on turn. 6 on the river followed by hero check tells "special villain" that hero doesn't have a straight..the only way to win would then be to represent a straight. Or is that giving too much credit to him? 😆

  • @johnthepalm
    @johnthepalm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My guess was As-2s. I have seen this move before on turn, over valuing top pair + flush draw. It's common from bad rec players 🙂

  • @alexh8613
    @alexh8613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Funny thing is, the villain was right. The hero didn't have the 8. Just so happens that the Hero sucked out and the 6 actually made his hand better

    • @retrogaminghippie3720
      @retrogaminghippie3720 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct. Basically our hero made a could call of the raise and bet, then sucked out on the end. I guess the mistake from the header was not checking back the river when there was 4 to the straight. Guessing he did not see that

  • @svmohata
    @svmohata 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    at the river, im thinking villian could have A3, basis what the guy is saying about his craziness. i'm not putting it past him to raise the turn with the ace and with the possibly to hit the lower end of a straight thinking its good

  • @williamr4053
    @williamr4053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I didn’t read the comments, but I’m surprised they didn’t put the villain on A8ss. Flopped the nut flush draw, picks up top pair on the turn, and drills the hidden straight on the river. AT still required hero to go runner runner to suck out on the river. Hero was very lucky here, and even more lucky he didn’t run into A8ss, that could have just as easily been a hand played there.

    • @MrAgmoore
      @MrAgmoore ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It felt like villain was repping A8

    • @mattstieg5388
      @mattstieg5388 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lucky in actuality, but villain had a wider than normal range & rep = harder to put on the stone A8ss

  • @tonypovilitus2408
    @tonypovilitus2408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ace is a great check card idc what if he raises??

  • @2Malachi
    @2Malachi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Villains play A6, heroes play AJ+

  • @bobbywhite1645
    @bobbywhite1645 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kept thinking 23ss made sense there. Except for the pre flop flat but even thats not totally out of line on the button in a juicy game. two spades and up and down on the flop makes him continue against the c bet and the A hits him so he raises, then value bets the river check.
    A10 makes no sense and is a terrible river bet, shouldn't be betting for value and shouldn't be bluffing with top pair, that should check back 100%

  • @joeregan63
    @joeregan63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This hand illustrates position, IMO.
    Like against this opponent, it was fine; he was so wide in his potential holdings that we just call the river and don’t feel afraid.
    But change some parameters about this guy. I see many dudes who play close to a 100 VPIP and play bingo poker postflop. They don’t bluff. They don’t make thin value raises. They just have it.
    So we have Bart advocating for a donk blocker bet (fwiw this IS a card we’d wanna have leads on), and now we’re kind of playing like the fish do. You know the move; a round of betting happens, the next card changes nothing and they donk (i call it the idiot checkraise). So often it’s “I don’t want to face a bigger bet so I’m going to set my own price”.
    I mock these guys for this play, but honestly, here it might be the best play. And that’s the issue w/ being OOP. We are going to play our hand worse.
    I like this caller. But I do think his idea of a “good scenario” is different from mine. I never want a dude like this to call in position. It makes the rest of the pot a landmine.

    • @Gos1234567
      @Gos1234567 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      True I think Barts concept of not check calling applies more to when you in the blinds and call a flop bet with Second/middle pair then V checks back turn and river is a brick.Well there you should lead out because is V value betting 3rd pair or say Ax(which has some showdown value)? Doubtful but he may call as a bluff catch with those.
      When he plays in such a way that your mediocre hand has a high chance of being best then check calling makes no sense but here the guy did raise the turn and the board by the river is absolutely horrible so this situation doesn’t really explain the concept well,Batd thinks the guy will only bet a str8 on the end and because of blockers he may not have one but I could see a set or even top 2 pair betting here,why would he think Hero has better?

    • @joeregan63
      @joeregan63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Gos1234567 Well Bart's reasoning is 100% sound. The main reasons to have check calls are
      1) Balanced strategy, obviously
      2) Give your opponent a chance to bluff
      3) Give your opponent a chance to value cut.
      Like example hand: HJ opens to 3 bb and we call in the BB with Ah7h
      (6.5) Kh7c3d
      We check call a 3 bb bet
      (12.5) 8h
      We check call a 9 bb bet
      (30.5) 7
      Our decision here would probably be way different at 1/2 than at 5/10. At 5/10, we'd check and either raise or call depending on the sizing. At 1/2, we should almost exclusively be making a large river bet under the assumption that our opponent is incapable of folding a king or AA, and incapable of ever raising us without a boat. Clearly against a smart opponent who knows we donk any hand with a 7 in it on the river, we would never do this because they'll abuse us by value betting any king and bluffing a lot.
      So why would we donk at 1/2? Well for one, as alluded to prior, balance isn't very important because our opponents aren't thinking about much more than their absolute hand strength. Triple barrel bluffs are exceedingly rare at 1/2, so we don't really induce hopeless bluffs. And people don't value cut very often at this level: the amount of check downs on the river is absolutely insane. So we kind of don't have a reason to check call.
      Of course, this gameplay aspect ends up sticking with weaker players as they move up levels. I still remember the time my buddy snap folded a straight on Kd85-7d-3d after some guy overcalled a big flop bet, putting him squarely on a rivered backdoor flush. He was 100% ready to make a huge river bet himself, but his opponent let him off the hook because said opponent is so programmed to not try to induce bluffs or value cuts.
      So basically he called flop w/ terrible equity, hit his miracle and couldn't get paid, because he was forced to play so poorly due to out of position.
      Hence, just fold more OOP.

    • @Gos1234567
      @Gos1234567 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeregan63 Totally agree with all of this,you hit those trips at the end there and overpairs arent betting but no way are they folding.agree about inducing bluffs is a waste of time at lower stakes unless you know specifically the guy is agrro,other wise just bet your value frequently and bigger.
      good fold by your buddy and i think folding in spots where most would call is the key to poker,dont know about higher levels but at lower stakes bluffing and bluffcatching is bleeding money.

  • @marcopastormayo8248
    @marcopastormayo8248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 11:05, I'm guessing villain's got 3c2c, so he had a flush draw and straight draw on the flop, and then a straight on the turn.

    • @TheOneJameYT
      @TheOneJameYT ปีที่แล้ว

      This is exactly what I thought

  • @jf5618
    @jf5618 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ll summarize the “special villain”…it’s a 1/3 game ;-)

  • @TheBarkanMethodofHotYoga
    @TheBarkanMethodofHotYoga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This was a great tutorial… cause I’m folding the river…. But talking about him not Likely having 8 6 with a river 6 makes so much sense….. thanks for continuing to improve my thinking process!🙏

    • @sk8rdaniel
      @sk8rdaniel ปีที่แล้ว

      If someone is playing any 2 cards preflop you have to be happy calling much wider

  • @littleinkling4604
    @littleinkling4604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Either Sklansky or Harrington said with a medium holding on the river, check. A raise would enduce either a fold from a weaker hand or a 2 bet from a stronger hand, which we can't call. But the check shows weakness and allows the weaker hand to rep more than their holding. If they bet half pot, the 25% eq needed to call is less than their bluff/ 1 pair potential. This play to me is profitable at lower stakes... but I've never moved out of lower stakes so if someone wants to explain the game moving on from Sklansky and Harrington plays, please do.

    • @stevebutler6428
      @stevebutler6428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bc it’s old school advice for old school players. Notice he says with “a medium holding” “stronger hand” “weaker hand”- this is playing your cards bc your opponent is playing his cards. If your opponent is playing his range vs your range- playing your cards is too exploitable and you’ll get owned at higher stakes- Ie with medium holdings check- so any time you check on the river i bet pot and you fold, if i have it i bet quarter pot and you call and you get bluffed and value city’d. Soooo you can’t win without the effective nuts and you pay Everytime you’re beat.

    • @littleinkling4604
      @littleinkling4604 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevebutler6428 Ok, but betting river still has the same problem as I mentioned. You're facing the 2 bet, or a fold - Is the fold out potential by betting the river more profitable than the X/C line?

  • @angeloperez1020
    @angeloperez1020 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alot of yall are saying villain was value betting which he probably was, but i personally dont like the value bet on the river is a good one. The raise on the turn i like given his equity was a good one but when it gets called i think checking back is a better play because he literally only beats A9, A2, and A3... i mean hes calling the turn raise with all aces, and then medium cards with a 6 or twopairs sets etc. just tryna figure out exactly what hands hes trying to get value from

  • @5O4evr
    @5O4evr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Villian shoulda checked river

  • @climbing_for_dollars
    @climbing_for_dollars 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The worst play you can make is actually playing the stupid game

  • @michaelcraft6657
    @michaelcraft6657 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess NYM

  • @FraserElphick
    @FraserElphick 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I put him on x8 spades like j8

  • @JiveDadson
    @JiveDadson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the worst play in low stakes poker?

  • @johnstdm1
    @johnstdm1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why is it that all heros always have a "very solid, TAG-like image" at the table? I haven't even finished the video yet, but this tilts me so much.

    • @niemand262
      @niemand262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Callers to this show are not a representative sample. They are self selected callers. That is, players who know this show exists know that a TAG image is a solid strategy at 1/3.

    • @coreykuhl3079
      @coreykuhl3079 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      TAG?

    • @niemand262
      @niemand262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@coreykuhl3079 Tight aggressive. It means they play few but strong cards, and when they play them they make aggressive actions (bet, raise, check-raise, 3-bet) rather than passive actions (calling, checking).
      This naming convention includes Tag (tight aggressive), Lag (loose aggresive), tight passive (old man poker, never winning big), and loose passive (the loosingest strategy ever).
      Playing TAG, even poorly, is a winning strategy at small stakes games (e.g., 1/2, 2/3, possibly ever 2/5) because it's really hard for you to make a mistake (its hard to mis-play strong hands), which means you will make fewer mistakes than your opponents.

    • @nncoco
      @nncoco 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coreykuhl3079 tight aggressive. Fewer hands - aggressive when in.

  • @dominicc.3864
    @dominicc.3864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not sure I understand how A-10 played the hand so poorly. If I'm missing something please let me know, I'm no expert. Preflop = seems standard, flop = standard. I actually think the villain turn raise could make sense. Hes drawing to the nuts, hit top pair, wants to build a pot if his hand hits, and it seems so rare to be raised in this spot by the hero. Also the low cards on the board could favor villians range preflop as the caller. If hero just calls on the turn, the villian sets his own price (as the hero will most likely check to villain on the river) and gets an extra bet out of our hero in case the flush comes on the river and the hero is scared of the flush. The hero may not put another dime in if the flush comes. Plus his A-10 might be good on the turn (it was). By the river it appears the villain knew he was beat and put in a chunky bet to blow A-K or A-Q out of the pot as theses are the 2 most likely hero holdings. That's how I read it....or I could just be an idiot.

    • @sid7607
      @sid7607 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But what are you getting called by on the river? Yea you get AK, AJ, and AQ to fold. But you get no value from literally any calls. All straights raise you, and some bluffs raise you and you lose your showdown value. I might turn a hand like A9 suited into a bluff here as I block 89 and just jam. When you're beating such a large portion of my range with a marginal hand, just check back and take the showdown.
      Before river though, I agree he played standard. I'd be inclined to raise flop, but with 2 players behind, I can understand the call.

    • @coreykuhl3079
      @coreykuhl3079 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you’re spot on… I would’ve put the hero on no worse than AQ… which bears my A10 suited. With the straight out there which the hero should not be in on with his large pre flop bet I think the bet on the river by the villain makes sense and almost works… probably should’ve shoved and he would’ve won the pot

  • @notNaB2024
    @notNaB2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    couldn't villain raise the turn ace with A8 and then raise a river bet once the straight came in?

  • @sammydolgin
    @sammydolgin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    V was 100% betting the river for value

    • @windy6455
      @windy6455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I don't think villain knows what a "value" bet is tbh

    • @aaronmoon6876
      @aaronmoon6876 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No I was bluffing u idiots . I thought 325 was a good bet sizing to target Aj combos,Aq combos,Ak combos. He had a tight image I didn’t think he raised $25 with A6 of clubs. I knew once he called my raised he had Ace. I thought I had kicker problems . Good for the hero raising with A 6

  • @varunbaid1
    @varunbaid1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I think the 'special villain' was actually value betting.. lol

    • @NoirExistence
      @NoirExistence 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's immediately what I thought

    • @marknoble5495
      @marknoble5495 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes and it’s a horrible bet. No way a worse hand is calling you.

    • @mlsantosh1
      @mlsantosh1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dk there is no way the villain played bad. He was good pretty much all hand. If I was the villain I would be putting the hero on 10sjacks with a spade. The 300 was a bit much .

    • @cnidjniosdnmi
      @cnidjniosdnmi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      He missed his nut flush draw and decided to represent the straight... pretty straightforward and common I think. The hero in this case almost played the hand worse than the villain if you ask me.

    • @cnidjniosdnmi
      @cnidjniosdnmi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marknoble5495 Which is what the villain wanted, a fold. He was on a nut flush draw, missed and decided to represent the straight.

  • @Badjuju22
    @Badjuju22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Havent seen the vid yet . But since ive played these lower stakes for many years. Worse won is players not betting for value with big hands and paying off large bets on river with one pair.

  • @Nomadic12347
    @Nomadic12347 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why wasn't the showdown talked about?

  • @RR-bd4jp
    @RR-bd4jp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How is it a bluff if he has a pair of Aces. This video is over analyzing the hand. It is a basic call. You have to look him up. My guess was just a busted straight or flush draw with possible back up pair. I was close. So many things go.into it besides just seeing or feeling.

  • @spidgeb3292
    @spidgeb3292 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you're playing against a no-fold button and you're drawing out of position, why do you want to build a big pot with a bet on the flop? I don't get that move. Seems to me a draw needs better pot odds than heads up can provide on the flop, so isolating doesn't really seem to be a good value move, and there's no bluff value against button. With a strong draw, my line is usually keep the hand multi-way, and see cards relatively inexpensively. Dunno....

  • @coreykuhl3079
    @coreykuhl3079 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not trying to be the guy that knows what he had…. But when he bet the Ace my first thought was he had the Ace of spades with a flush draw…. Question for me was what was his other card? It felt like a bet with the nut flush draw on the turn and if the hero had the balls he could’ve check shoved on the River… but I don’t know that I would make that play either although it’s the right play! Crazy hand, that $325 bet was a good bet by that guy as he missed his flush but had some showdown value…

  • @hoctrungchau5023
    @hoctrungchau5023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the heck was Bart talking about when he said vill was bluffing, vill had top pair with nut flush draw, it might be bad thin bet for value but it’s not bluffing by the vill. Bart is lost not recognizing the vill thought he was making a thin value bet or maybe the villain is trying represent he had had A8 making a str8. Either way didn’t understand why Bart say the vill was bluffing.

  • @kzkilla808
    @kzkilla808 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If this guy is that active and has show a propensity to bluff, doesn't leading out on the river open up hero to be bluffed raised though?

    • @compteofficiel4112
      @compteofficiel4112 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      it would take a real maniac to raise without a straight...

    • @Gos1234567
      @Gos1234567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      kzkilla808 yea that’s why I don’t like a lead intending to fold into an aggressive guy,you may either blow out his bluffs or even get (a small percentage of the time) get bluff raised or just get called by a better hand.I can’t see a worst hand called your river donk.
      Against an aggressive this is a check call to me,v a passive it’s check fold (is a passive raising turn and betting river in that board)
      I can’t get with Bart on this one

    • @leonardmccannon3136
      @leonardmccannon3136 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      gerry o sullivan
      A lot of players have this thought process. The want to protect their money more than risk it.
      But the logic discussed in the hand seems solid. The hands that this villain could have, and call with in this spot - it is argued -outnumber the hands that actually beat you. If that’s true then the lead on the end should be more profitable in the long run. I think this is a pretty useful distinction if you want to get full value for hands. Although this présumés that the villain will check some hands back if you don’t lead.
      I would use it sparingly but it has some advantages against the right players. If I decide on betting into a hand that I might plan to check call, at least I get to set the price of the bet in many cases. River bets out of position when the other player has been jacking up the pot look strong, and it’s going to be fairly rare to see a jam over it without it being a hand that crushes you anyway. In live play, sometimes you can actually get good players to fold winning hands. (eg. Q J folding to 10 J on a jack high board. )
      I think the general way of thinking about river bets here is quite useful.

    • @vladbcom
      @vladbcom 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's actually muchmuch harder to bluff raise even for a deranged player...

    • @nicks210684
      @nicks210684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s no stack depth to bluff raise.
      If hero leads out for $200 on the river that looks might suspicious. Like guy with an 8 who wants to be called. So bluffing seems insane.
      On the other hand if hero leads out big then he’s pretty much all in so bluff raising is again out the question.

  • @TheOneJameYT
    @TheOneJameYT ปีที่แล้ว

    If this villain is playing any 2 cards and re-raises the turn on an Ace, I’d think they had 2s3s for a turned straight with a draw to the flush. Never heard that mentioned in this video but 86 isn’t the only thing they could’ve had on the flop.

  • @lightonstillwaters6789
    @lightonstillwaters6789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How was the V turn raise bad? V was ahead on kicker. Maybe V should have raised bigger? To 300+? 400+? Hero had 11 outs on turn to hit 2 pair or st. Got a nice river.

    • @nicks210684
      @nicks210684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Normally you wouldn’t raise AT there.
      Think about it...hero is the preflop raiser so can have all the premium A hands. If hero has an A you’re only beating A9, A8, A6, A3 and A2. And some of those will typically only be played as suited combos. Whereas hero can have all the offsuit combos of AK, AQ and AJ in CO.
      If hero doesn’t have an ace then raising will probably just cause him to fold.
      I guess with the flush draw it’s not terrible. But even still, doesn’t seem much reason to raise unless you think hero will actually fold a better ace.

  • @kylebroussard5952
    @kylebroussard5952 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Holy shit where can I find these games?! Not this type of action in New Hampshire.

    • @jamiepaolinetti5087
      @jamiepaolinetti5087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100%!!!, I love this guy, - "sounds like a good game"... when everyone is calling a $15 open every time in a 1-3 game! Ha! People call that good action, I call it watching people blow off their stack.

    • @bakaraymoo7389
      @bakaraymoo7389 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      East coast are arguably the best games in the country

    • @markr8250
      @markr8250 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bakaraymoo7389 that's so interesting. Why is that?

    • @bakaraymoo7389
      @bakaraymoo7389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@markr8250 no idea but I've been hearing it for years. It's like an ecosystem where a place can't stay hot too long. Like Vegas used to be good but now it's all grinders

    • @markr8250
      @markr8250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bakaraymoo7389 I've actually played a lot at Borgata. You're right, the games are great. But FYI, I played at Bellagio in Vegas this week. The players were all experienced, but the game was very soft. Poker still lives.
      Edit: I was playing 1/3

  • @Stokkeland23
    @Stokkeland23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The worst play you can make at low stakes is bluff and get creative. Playing loose standard while at the same time giving action without doing big bluffs or big creative plays is the best way.

    • @gabrielrockman
      @gabrielrockman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I almost agree with you. I would say the worst play you can make at low stakes is to bluff someone that you know is a calling station.
      It's fine to get creative and bluff people if you think they're scared of putting a lot of money into a pot when they don't have the nuts.

    • @Stokkeland23
      @Stokkeland23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gabrielrockman Everyone at low stakes is a calling station.
      That's why they are playing low stakes :)

  • @windy6455
    @windy6455 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brad Owen would bet 45 at a larger size on the river " to look like a bluff "

  • @JamesWilson-sb9iq
    @JamesWilson-sb9iq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I don't think in his head he was bluffing. He knew you did not have an 8 and he was value betting lol

  • @tylermokarry9731
    @tylermokarry9731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an example of a typical accidental value own; you'll see this a lot more than you might think, especially from super active players; they'll bet in spots where they have solid showdown value and it makes little sense to bet; I think they just get excited and they're not really sure what to do so they just bet and see what happens; I've called these spots down with A high before and lost and have been so shocked so many times to the point where I'm not really shocked anymore, it's just a part of the low stakes environment

    • @fevolenko3995
      @fevolenko3995 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's how skilled and unskilled lags build big stacks. They get max value when they hit..

  • @Allin4x
    @Allin4x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Worst play possible in poker is checking in the dark on the river in position