And then he said that him and his friends started analysing the hand at the table after making the donkey in that hand play tighter so he didn't show down any other nonsense..... I'm surprised Bart didn't pick up on either of those things and pull the caller out up about not tapping the glass!
@@mikehamilton367 doesn’t mean the guy didn’t keep making crazy bluffs. Maybe he did, but caller and the other nits kept folding and villain learnt not to show them.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj yeah that's possible but the caller was making it sound like they got him to play more sensibly which is the opposite of what you want!
@@mikehamilton367 yeah I agree. He probably just tightened up, but maybe he still put a few bluffs in that he didn’t show. Either way, they didn’t gain anything!
He acts like The opponent was a fool but its his own fault for not betting the Turn and then doing such a small bet on the river, he got totally outplayed and tries to act like the other guy is the donk
I’m hardly ever folding here, top pair and flush draw or sets bets turn. You bet small on the river to induce and you got what you wanted well played, except you folded… Very odd
The guy didn’t want to play for stacks ever in the hand. He so much as said so when he checked turn with top top for “pot control”. If he bets even 60% pot on the turn - $300 - he’s pretty much priced in to call off on the river. I think checking back the turn was just as big a mistake as betting 1/5th pot on the river
@@jolaz69 right? So you check top top on turn with flush draw and straight draws available, so does that mean when hero continues to bet turns he either always has 2p+ or high equity combo draws (semi-bluffs)? I dont like it. Sometimes, vs some opponents, on some boards, you can get away with putting in 100BB and playing a 200BB pot with 1p holdings. Guys at 1-3 arent folding KQ on brick rivers. EVER. You have all 8 combos present. Most guys arent even folding QJ lol.
I thought this was going to go a very different way as the river is just a snap call and then we would see how he was beat. Somehow this is a story of a nit folding the best hand like nits do.
Absolutely never folding here. You appear extremely weak after checking turn on a brick, and then with small sizing on river. After villian checks back turn you can rule out a queen and flush draws because almost all 1/3 players are going to bet those on turn. Basically gave him the green light to bluff you off the hand with how it was played.
@@nathanmills3539 yeah i dont agree with the premise that all 1/3 players are firing with a flush draw here. certainly a good percentage of them will making a rivered flush a lot less likely for villain to have.
Your absolutely right.... When we check the turn brick and make such a small river bet it's basically an invitation for him to turn his hand into a bluff.... The caller set him up perfect and then folded?????? If he shows up with Qx of hearts congrats bro take the chips..
Man, you gotta tell this guy not to actively analyze the hand with another player and tell the guy he only gets away with it once. It kills me when people do that stuff, applaud the guy and praise his terrible bluff and convince him he can do it again!
Its not that bad with the turn check. It looks like Hero 3-bet with an A, took a stab on the flop then gave up the turn. Backed into A and tryed to put out a blocker bet. The fact he folded AQ here shows it was a very good bluff.
I think it's def a call mostly because hands like A3 and A4 suited would likely shove this river for value in a 1/3 game. Additionally, while it's tough to think of villain's bluffs, something like 77 or 66 would fit the bill.
Completely agree. Villain could also easily show up with 65s (non hearts). Villain almost never takes this line with a set so your really only beat by Qx of hearts and 65 of hearts which is only like 5 ish combos. With the possibility of A4 A3 and the bluffs there’s no way I’m folding for 500 more into ~1200. It’s an even easier call considering that your line as the hero looks super weak and will often induce river bluffs at these stakes.
@@dylanhollick5073 the river bet is what did it for me, just screams please don’t jam on me. By the sounds of hero he was most likely talking a lot of gibberish about GTO and the like even said it’s an underbluffed spot maybe the villain is smarter than hero gives him credit for and just completely exploited him.
11:30 “I think calling [in V’s spot] is better than raising with Qx because what are you folding out that’s better?” Later: “I kind of lean towards a fold [in hero’s spot with top two pair].”
Small bet to “induce” and then fold !?!? Tough spot but the turn check and the river small bet just screams weakness and that you’re willing to fold. I’d almost bluff 100% if I was villain. Especially if I had a solid tight image
This video should be titled "How to play a hand wrong on every street" Preflop: Raise bigger as Bart said, at least $90 I'd even go to $100 in these call happy small stakes games. Flop: Bet smaller on this relatively dry board texture. Turn: Clear bet for value/equity denial, with straight/flush draw and weaker queen out there. River: Bet at least half pot for value. As played never fold to a raise as our small sizing very likely induced a spazz out.
I think a potential pitfall of GTO is you get in a bubble of thinking players and start thinking everyone else must be studying it and you forget that most low stakes players are crazy and stupid
Agreed. I play 1-2 almost exclusively and I use GTO but some of the players at those stakes are just unbelievably bad. My favorite players are those that will limp any 2 cards and then needle me for playing tight when I have $800 in front of me
This is my one gripe with these calls. Bart and caller almost always assume the villain is playing 100% by the book and only ever has the nuts on a shove.
So the hero undersized the river bet on purpose to induce a bluff, and then folded when it worked? You can't have both...maybe that small-to-induce thing was a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking? Great video as always.
Bart I'm kinda new to this channel Few months. Everything you say is totally in line with every book I've read and used effectively. You must be a crusher my man!.
Yeah... I'm never folding there. Not only will some players think that the A on the river is a good bluff card to scare away people holding a Q, I also think that other players might actually be raising there for value with hands like A4 or A3 that just made 2-pair (consider As4s, As3s and Ad4d calling on the flop with the pair and backdoor flush draw, getting a free card on the turn, and then making 2-pair on the river). They shouldn't be raising there for value with these hands, because it's very unlikely that they will get called by worse* but it doesn't mean that they are not doing it in 1-3. * Now that I think about it, they might get called by worse. I can see some people in hero's spot having a hand like AK, playing it like hero did up to the river, and then not being able to let go of top-top when they get raised.
I agree 100% with this analysis. Although it is a gross spot, I think it's a textbook call. Certain extremely tight players I fold here but most of the field will take my money if they have it.
I dunno about the ace hands, I feel like a lot of aces that were chasing the straight draw say yippee and check down expecting to win rather than shoving.
@@adamseidel9780 Note that I was talking about ace hands that now make 2 pair, A3 or A4. I think that A2 or A5 would not be chasing the straight but rather fold to the flop bet.
The caller raised an interesting point at the end. How do you play against this kind of player going forward. Is he the type of guy who gets out of line on this one hand and goes back into playing a safer game or is this indicative of his overall style of play? I’m hesitant to read too much into this one event.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 agreed, villain is just exploiting a weak player. Nothing to read into other than he knows hero is making bad decisions and is scared money.
I used to play at Seneca Niagara. Many have said they have heard/it's likely that room is not reopening ever at this point. With this hand, I feel like it's a guess, because they either have nonsense like here, or QJ hearts, etc. I think I'd call just due to the weak line we took as played, but I wouldn't be expecting to win too often. Too few crazy bluffs at 1/3 on river.
Stopped at 12:15. This is $1/3 unless you have very specific information to the contrary, treat players as if they have no real understanding of poker. There are only two hands you are afraid of here, KhQh, 6h5h, and maybe QhJh. That is, someone either had top pair and backed doored a flush, or the OESD and backed doored a flush, but how often do those hands check behind on the turn when they just picked up the flush draw? The tendency if for people to beat those draws when checked to. Now, you checked the turn, and bet small on the river, and at $1/3 this is not an under-bluffed spot. I see all in bluffs here WAY WAY too often. This could be literally a crap hand like 75. Often any draw, even a horrible draw, is calling the flop, then checking behind on the turn and shoving the river as a bluff. You needed to raise more pre-flop, I don't mind the flop sizing, but bet the turn, all Qx hands and draws are still calling you. As played, I'd call the river shove. Yes, you will value call yourself here, but it's EV+ overtime. For every KhQh you'll see a chop against AQ and more often win against pure garbage bluff. You don't think 6d5d would play exactly as played? They know they can't win the pot without betting, so they shove, and that's a hand that actually makes sense and you beat it. Hell, you see 76 here, plus all the hands that a normal person would just think "WTH?"
After posting my own thoughts and then reading yours, I think your analysis is much better than mine and basically right. If the guy is mega loose passive maybe you’re worrying about some Kxhh that didn’t semi bluff the turn and then went nuts on the river. Maybe. The larger cbet sizing might be enough to get a real loose player off that hand anyway.
I could see the villain shoving for value with A3 or A4 suited. Heck, if I was the villain, I'd probably play those hands that way, and I probably would raise the river for value. The hero's small bet on the river looks like a lone Queen trying to get value from pocket 9s through pocket Jacks). But after the reveal, yes, the villain could also just be bluffing with a missed straight draw, missed backdoor flush draw, or missed two pair/trips draw (that's what I think of the villain's hand, it's basically a 5 out draw against top pair).
To me, I look at Q/J or Q/K of hearts but I think he bets the turn with top pair and a flush draw when you check. I don’t give him the wheel with someone behind him on the flop. I would have to make the call on the river because I can’t give him anything strong that beats top 2.
Bart is great man. He is very cordial to the hero, even though he played the hand badly. Just bet the turn man, it's a great brick, then you are pot committed and can get it all in on the river. OR, when you under-rep your hand, realize that you need to call with aces up, if you got me you got me, etc. I like how Bart says one of his weaknesses is not paying attention to hands he is not involved in, I think it's one of mine too, but also is one of the drove of players just sitting there with headphones on just biding their time. I grind the low limits, and do very well, partly because I really try to pay attention to the hands that i am not involved in, though could be better at it. The turn is the key street in Hold 'em, don't get tricky, bet your ace-Queen on the great runout card and pay off the draw-outs at the low limits, and other limits too frankly. What's in the minds of a lot of recs at these levels is a mystery, don't think too much against people that can't think.
Bart, your point at the end is so true-just happened to me this month. I was playing 2/5 in Vienna and I noticed a guy on my right reach showdown where his opponent showed like Ace high and this player mucked after calling the river-so he called the river with not even Ace high. And then I played a pot with him right after that, and in my mind I was saying ”this guy has to be crazy and not very good” and my pot was limped, came off monotone 642 of spades and I had 64 in the big blind. I think I led the flop, and he raised and then bet very big on the turn and river which were offsuit 8 and Ten, and a voice said to me “you cannot fold to this player”-but I chickened out and folded and he showed King of spades and an offsuit Jack. And I felt like a total idiot.
I want to cry when I see these guys at the table just absolutely killing the vibe. More interested in trying to explain why what they did was ok and what the guy did who raked the pot was wrong that they miss out on actually beating him. Just shut the fuck up, readjust and get back to it. I just table change when these guys start going into this shit because the games gonna be dead soon anyway.
Most 1-3 players aren't thinking what hands can I turn into a bluff here? They aren't thinking showdown+blockers etc. They are thinkig "Why would he block bet small if he had a flush; therefore, he doesn't have a flush, therefore I can turn my crap hand into an allin bluff." And to be honest, it isn't bad logic. Hero capped his hand by block betting and the opponent went for it. To fold, you'd have to believe he called flop with a BDFD then checked back his draw on turn... possible, but you'd expect him to bet at least some of them.
I was just in this exact spot in a 1/3 game and villain had turned a set and took the same line. I called with my rivered top 2 forgetting how underblufffed this spot is at 1/3.
The river is a snap call, almost all of the time, every level. Exceptions do exist I will admit, maybe you know for a fact that villain never never never bluffs based on playing with villain day in day out. If you induce a bluff you better plan on calling it. Even at 1-2. and 1-3. Call call call.
I like a smaller 1/3 c-bet size on that flop texture with our entire range. Turn check is awful imo. Due to hero’s small preflop 3bet sizing, villain can have a lot of QhXh in his calling range and that’s what we are trying to extract value from. When the Ah peels off on the river, I like a check-call here with the top of our range at these stakes. AA/QQ/AQ. While we can comfortably let go of 1 pair hands here if played as a turn bet, river hero check villain jam.
One thing I don’t really buy is a Qxhh flush because I think it bets turn almost always. KhQx maybe makes this play, MAYBE QxJh. 56 is all liking this play too probably. I’m back and forth on if ace wheel draws make this play. On one hand, they might think they’re good with the check check, they read you as shutting down after the flop. On the other hand, it’s a weird size with a hand like that if they think you have nothing and a lot of players like this will just be relieved one of their non nut outs came in and be happy to check. Still a call I think. Edit: KhQx makes no sense on the turn either, probably betting. So maybe more QxJ/10h or Qh10/9o. Seems like you’re way at the top of your MDF range too. Edit edit: I don’t think my combos analysis here is very good compared to a couple posts below, which I appreciated reading. I do think Bart’s point about the river sizing is good, you’re just begging for a low stakes player to read you ask weak with the turn check $100 bet line and try to blast you. Either bet $150+ that registers a real bet with some strength or realize that you’re basically inducing to call down with a bluff catcher that also beats some whacky overplayed value. Always appreciate the opportunity to learn from both the video and the back and forth in the comments.
I'm not a big poker player, but it seems like over half the hands he.picks for this channel are ones where the villain check-calls all the way to the river, and then goes all-in. Sometimes the villain hits it on the river; sometimes it's a stone-cold bluff; and sometimes we don't know.
The entire time I was thinking it's a snap call for me on the river with AQ, just because of the check on the turn, it's that simple. If he had 5 2, or backed into a flush, God bless him.
Villain can definitely overplay a worse 2 pair given the block sizing from hero. Seems more likely than a bluff. Given that, plus some spaz bluff, it has to be a call.
I thought he was going to say the guy had A 4 of spades or A 3 of spades and was actually trying to extract value. Except if he was going for value I don't think he would shove on what appears to be a blocker bet praying to get to showdown with his single pair. It just really seemed, the way the hand played out, like the river raiser wanted a fold and not to be called. Sometimes you have to acknowledge if your play is appearing weak and then know that this means you're calling down any bet because what you're effectively doing now is inducing a bluff. A bet by the opponent is actually best case scenario because it allows them to have nothing. They can't call unless they have something decent. This tactic trains people to allow you to blocker bet as well and see showdowns for cheaper because they know you're capable of inducing bluffs now.
If you're the caller or anyone else at that table besides villian, why would you ever breakdown that hand live at the table in front of villian? Like Bart said, that showdown has sooooo much value and to let villian know of that (whether they are smart enough to change their play or not) just seems like a bad idea.
I've played many many hours in the 1/3 at Casino Niagara. Most of the players are nitty and passive. There are a handful of wild players who will bluff with any 2 but the vast majority are not jamming anything but the nuts here. Unless I know the guy this is a trivial fold in this game.
Brad you looked like you really wanted to make a joke about the 1000$ CAD stack being worth like 100$US I made that read by looking deep into your soul .and then I had to edit my comment a little because you threw the loonies crack in there ..lmao love it
I mean really, if they don’t want people to make fun of their currency, don’t give it a goofy ass name like a loony, they’re really just asking for it.
The problem with blocking to induce is that you may simply level yourself into paying when villain isn't inclined to bluff you or he doesn't have enough hands to bluff with. And you're definitely letting him off for cheap if he backed into a two pair and would have called a shove but doesn't raise because there's flushes, sets, and better two pair in your range. That said if you're going to take a weak line to induce you better damn well call when you get jammed on. You gave up value and protection on the turn in order to set this up, you can't pussy out now. All that said bart is right if this guy is a true donk you need to pile it, don't get fancy.
Because of the fact I think flush draw + straight draw/pair (which was basically all villian could have hearts wise) is always bet on the turn by villian, I think this has to be a call even for viewers in similar spots with top two. You beat soooo many combos of Q8 & A3/4. Not to mention you've made your hand look like one pair at best so most busted draws like 56 and possible even A2/5 might value shove/semi bluff on river. TL;Dr: yes it's 1/3. But unless you *specifically* know the person is super tight and is just never bluffing/raising worse, then it's always a call.
Don't like it but I think you have to call because while villain doesn't have many logical bluffs they are also super lacking value that makes sense. They have like 3 combos of QXhh maybe a few weird sets that you need to heavily discount. Given the price you need to be good about 25% of the time weird bluffs + discounted A4s probably give you enough there like they need something like 3 combos of hands you beat for this to be profitable as rarely as this spot is bluffed I think a lot of players have that.
I know the caller very well, I played with him many times, and believe me, he is not a nit....I'm very surprised that he folded, however I do believe he played the hand kind of poorly in my opinion.
Even though players should be checking back Qx of hearts ott a lot I find that it’s a hand type (top pair plus fd) that most lower stake live players are auto betting with zero thought
Yeah I think a lot of players with, say, QThh will bet the turn when checked to. 1. To charge AK which makes up a lot of hero’s range after 3 betting pre, stabbing flop and then checking turn. 2. To try and get a crying call from JJ/TT/99.
I disagree with Bart about villain being a bad player. There are solid LAGs out there and obviously the villain in this hand recognized that he could outplay this particular hero post-flop, so it is possible that him defending with 74s is a profitable play. I respect Bart a lot, but I do not think he realizes that just because it is very difficult to play a profitable LAG strategy, does not mean it is impossible. Also, the caller mentions the villain adjusted his strategy for the rest of the session to playing tighter because the table image this hand gave him. The only mistake he made was showing the bluff. I get away with moves like this several times in a session and the amount of decently-sizdd pots I steal far outweigh the times i get slowplayed or picked off. There are just so many nits at live low limits who will not make big river calls without monster hands.
his block bet on the river looks like a scared queen, and the dude bluffing thinks he can represent an ace by raising, no regard for the flush at all. Add him to your overbluff list!
This is an unbelievably easy call imo. I would expect them to bet 100% of the time with a flush draw on that turn, so I’m literally scared of 88 and only 88 on that river. Even a hand like A5s might jam river thinking they just counterfeit KQ or QJ… no way I’m folding at any point in this hand
Shouldn’t this river just be a snap call? What do you show up here with that’s better than AQ? AQxh QQ AA maybe 88s and maybe KJhh and KThh. On this river needing about 35% equity and you beat A4 A3 A8 56 67 QK QT QJ and maybe Q9. (KQ might bet turn if checked to) This seams under bluffed but you also beat a lot of their value that they think they are jamming. To me this seems like an A that rivered a decent hand and wants some thin value. I’m a slight winning poker player at these low stakes so I’m just thinking that a majority of players play stupid shit like this. I could be very flawed when thinking that we just have to sigh call after we river 2 pair.
Bet turn or check call river:) because hands like 99-TT 45s never call the river bet, but can bluff or can shove on you when you only bet 100$. so moral don't be greedy and just go to showdown and don't give a chance to bluff when you can't call
Is this one of those hands where the idiot villain doesn't even know he's representing Qxhh? He just figured the hero was weak and blasted? For that price I'm calling here all day.
I think that’s exactly what happened. Lot of bad players if they don’t have history with you will interpret this as weakness and blast. He doesn’t wanna fold with so much money in the pot, but knows he can’t call so he blasts. On the other hand, it’s a good play by villain exploiting his nitty image. I play snug and will try something like this once in a while to throw people off guard
I'm never folding there. Take my money. Doesn't have flush in range and checked turn. 2 5 is all that beats me and it's a 4 bet pot. Yall overthinkiing the game. If I ever get in a hand with Bart I'm raising his ass with something trash and taking it down
Anything even remotely intelligent this guy said was instantly ruined by that last line at the end of the video. Bart knows it too, nice editing there.
Word from the wise: Stop verbalizing your decision process at the table. Poker is a soft hustle. Your need to appear knowledgeable is not helping anything or anyone. Would appreciate it if Bart would coach his students / subscribers on these soft skills. Insecure people like the caller are ruining live poker.
"this is such an underbluffed spot" is definitely something you want to say while pondering a call at a live 1/3 game.
And then he said that him and his friends started analysing the hand at the table after making the donkey in that hand play tighter so he didn't show down any other nonsense..... I'm surprised Bart didn't pick up on either of those things and pull the caller out up about not tapping the glass!
@@mikehamilton367 he looked like he wanted to lmao
@@mikehamilton367 doesn’t mean the guy didn’t keep making crazy bluffs. Maybe he did, but caller and the other nits kept folding and villain learnt not to show them.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj yeah that's possible but the caller was making it sound like they got him to play more sensibly which is the opposite of what you want!
@@mikehamilton367 yeah I agree. He probably just tightened up, but maybe he still put a few bluffs in that he didn’t show. Either way, they didn’t gain anything!
Callers little laughs at the end when talking about the guy not being able to get away with it instantly tilted me
He acts like The opponent was a fool but its his own fault for not betting the Turn and then doing such a small bet on the river, he got totally outplayed and tries to act like the other guy is the donk
I’m hardly ever folding here, top pair and flush draw or sets bets turn. You bet small on the river to induce and you got what you wanted well played, except you folded… Very odd
I was thinking the same thing....I couldn't see folding here..
The guy didn’t want to play for stacks ever in the hand. He so much as said so when he checked turn with top top for “pot control”. If he bets even 60% pot on the turn - $300 - he’s pretty much priced in to call off on the river. I think checking back the turn was just as big a mistake as betting 1/5th pot on the river
not to mention he checked the turn!
@@jolaz69 right? So you check top top on turn with flush draw and straight draws available, so does that mean when hero continues to bet turns he either always has 2p+ or high equity combo draws (semi-bluffs)? I dont like it. Sometimes, vs some opponents, on some boards, you can get away with putting in 100BB and playing a 200BB pot with 1p holdings. Guys at 1-3 arent folding KQ on brick rivers. EVER. You have all 8 combos present. Most guys arent even folding QJ lol.
I thought this was going to go a very different way as the river is just a snap call and then we would see how he was beat. Somehow this is a story of a nit folding the best hand like nits do.
Absolutely never folding here. You appear extremely weak after checking turn on a brick, and then with small sizing on river. After villian checks back turn you can rule out a queen and flush draws because almost all 1/3 players are going to bet those on turn. Basically gave him the green light to bluff you off the hand with how it was played.
Exactly what I was thinking Qh 10h+ is always betting turn after u check. scared they are going to get out drawn by ace king 😂😂
wtf 1/3 games you play in? I know tons of guys that don't bluff flush draws at all
@@nathanmills3539 yeah i dont agree with the premise that all 1/3 players are firing with a flush draw here. certainly a good percentage of them will making a rivered flush a lot less likely for villain to have.
Your absolutely right.... When we check the turn brick and make such a small river bet it's basically an invitation for him to turn his hand into a bluff.... The caller set him up perfect and then folded?????? If he shows up with Qx of hearts congrats bro take the chips..
Man, you gotta tell this guy not to actively analyze the hand with another player and tell the guy he only gets away with it once. It kills me when people do that stuff, applaud the guy and praise his terrible bluff and convince him he can do it again!
Its not that bad with the turn check. It looks like Hero 3-bet with an A, took a stab on the flop then gave up the turn. Backed into A and tryed to put out a blocker bet. The fact he folded AQ here shows it was a very good bluff.
@@patleaf2432 Way to miss the point entirely
Yup. Don’t tap the glass.
@@patleaf2432 You've heard the term "results oriented"?
I’m legit proud that I’ve been listening to Bart long enough to have heard his Canada story at least four times now.
I think it's def a call mostly because hands like A3 and A4 suited would likely shove this river for value in a 1/3 game. Additionally, while it's tough to think of villain's bluffs, something like 77 or 66 would fit the bill.
Completely agree. Villain could also easily show up with 65s (non hearts). Villain almost never takes this line with a set so your really only beat by Qx of hearts and 65 of hearts which is only like 5 ish combos. With the possibility of A4 A3 and the bluffs there’s no way I’m folding for 500 more into ~1200. It’s an even easier call considering that your line as the hero looks super weak and will often induce river bluffs at these stakes.
@@dylanhollick5073 the river bet is what did it for me, just screams please don’t jam on me. By the sounds of hero he was most likely talking a lot of gibberish about GTO and the like even said it’s an underbluffed spot maybe the villain is smarter than hero gives him credit for and just completely exploited him.
Also some ppl will make crazy bluffs at 1/3 if they think opponent is weak
11:30 “I think calling [in V’s spot] is better than raising with Qx because what are you folding out that’s better?”
Later:
“I kind of lean towards a fold [in hero’s spot with top two pair].”
Small bet to “induce” and then fold !?!? Tough spot but the turn check and the river small bet just screams weakness and that you’re willing to fold. I’d almost bluff 100% if I was villain. Especially if I had a solid tight image
This video should be titled "How to play a hand wrong on every street"
Preflop: Raise bigger as Bart said, at least $90 I'd even go to $100 in these call happy small stakes games.
Flop: Bet smaller on this relatively dry board texture.
Turn: Clear bet for value/equity denial, with straight/flush draw and weaker queen out there.
River: Bet at least half pot for value. As played never fold to a raise as our small sizing very likely induced a spazz out.
Turn check was the worst part though I cringed so hard
Edit: besides the “this is so underbluffed” at the table lmao
He also played the hand wrong after it was over with the table talk.
"We analyze the hand at the table" 😂🤣
I think a potential pitfall of GTO is you get in a bubble of thinking players and start thinking everyone else must be studying it and you forget that most low stakes players are crazy and stupid
Agreed. I play 1-2 almost exclusively and I use GTO but some of the players at those stakes are just unbelievably bad. My favorite players are those that will limp any 2 cards and then needle me for playing tight when I have $800 in front of me
Bingo
Well this guy isn't studying gto
*Charlie Carrell enters the chat*
This is my one gripe with these calls. Bart and caller almost always assume the villain is playing 100% by the book and only ever has the nuts on a shove.
So the hero undersized the river bet on purpose to induce a bluff, and then folded when it worked? You can't have both...maybe that small-to-induce thing was a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking?
Great video as always.
Bart I'm kinda new to this channel Few months. Everything you say is totally in line with every book I've read and used effectively. You must be a crusher my man!.
Yeah... I'm never folding there.
Not only will some players think that the A on the river is a good bluff card to scare away people holding a Q, I also think that other players might actually be raising there for value with hands like A4 or A3 that just made 2-pair (consider As4s, As3s and Ad4d calling on the flop with the pair and backdoor flush draw, getting a free card on the turn, and then making 2-pair on the river). They shouldn't be raising there for value with these hands, because it's very unlikely that they will get called by worse* but it doesn't mean that they are not doing it in 1-3.
* Now that I think about it, they might get called by worse. I can see some people in hero's spot having a hand like AK, playing it like hero did up to the river, and then not being able to let go of top-top when they get raised.
I agree 100% with this analysis. Although it is a gross spot, I think it's a textbook call. Certain extremely tight players I fold here but most of the field will take my money if they have it.
I dunno about the ace hands, I feel like a lot of aces that were chasing the straight draw say yippee and check down expecting to win rather than shoving.
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Note that I was talking about ace hands that now make 2 pair, A3 or A4. I think that A2 or A5 would not be chasing the straight but rather fold to the flop bet.
@@bennyzhitomirsky2076 yeah, good point, and I think my initial analysis on this wasn’t very good anyway.
The caller raised an interesting point at the end. How do you play against this kind of player going forward. Is he the type of guy who gets out of line on this one hand and goes back into playing a safer game or is this indicative of his overall style of play? I’m hesitant to read too much into this one event.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 agreed, villain is just exploiting a weak player. Nothing to read into other than he knows hero is making bad decisions and is scared money.
You look to be ready to call down with any pretty good hand and you bet bet bet for value.
I think a blocker bet blocks diddly squat unless you're prepared to shove.
I don’t know what’s worse the lay down or the river bet size.
I used to play at Seneca Niagara. Many have said they have heard/it's likely that room is not reopening ever at this point.
With this hand, I feel like it's a guess, because they either have nonsense like here, or QJ hearts, etc. I think I'd call just due to the weak line we took as played, but I wouldn't be expecting to win too often. Too few crazy bluffs at 1/3 on river.
Knew villian didn't have it, line doesn't make sense. How does he not bet flush draws when checked to on turn?
Stopped at 12:15. This is $1/3 unless you have very specific information to the contrary, treat players as if they have no real understanding of poker. There are only two hands you are afraid of here, KhQh, 6h5h, and maybe QhJh. That is, someone either had top pair and backed doored a flush, or the OESD and backed doored a flush, but how often do those hands check behind on the turn when they just picked up the flush draw? The tendency if for people to beat those draws when checked to.
Now, you checked the turn, and bet small on the river, and at $1/3 this is not an under-bluffed spot. I see all in bluffs here WAY WAY too often. This could be literally a crap hand like 75. Often any draw, even a horrible draw, is calling the flop, then checking behind on the turn and shoving the river as a bluff.
You needed to raise more pre-flop, I don't mind the flop sizing, but bet the turn, all Qx hands and draws are still calling you.
As played, I'd call the river shove. Yes, you will value call yourself here, but it's EV+ overtime. For every KhQh you'll see a chop against AQ and more often win against pure garbage bluff. You don't think 6d5d would play exactly as played? They know they can't win the pot without betting, so they shove, and that's a hand that actually makes sense and you beat it. Hell, you see 76 here, plus all the hands that a normal person would just think "WTH?"
After posting my own thoughts and then reading yours, I think your analysis is much better than mine and basically right. If the guy is mega loose passive maybe you’re worrying about some Kxhh that didn’t semi bluff the turn and then went nuts on the river. Maybe. The larger cbet sizing might be enough to get a real loose player off that hand anyway.
I could see the villain shoving for value with A3 or A4 suited. Heck, if I was the villain, I'd probably play those hands that way, and I probably would raise the river for value. The hero's small bet on the river looks like a lone Queen trying to get value from pocket 9s through pocket Jacks).
But after the reveal, yes, the villain could also just be bluffing with a missed straight draw, missed backdoor flush draw, or missed two pair/trips draw (that's what I think of the villain's hand, it's basically a 5 out draw against top pair).
Wow his checking range on the turn, never folding that river.
Lots of useful betting logic here. Thanks.
To me, I look at Q/J or Q/K of hearts but I think he bets the turn with top pair and a flush draw when you check. I don’t give him the wheel with someone behind him on the flop. I would have to make the call on the river because I can’t give him anything strong that beats top 2.
This hand triggered the comment section 😂
Bart is great man. He is very cordial to the hero, even though he played the hand badly. Just bet the turn man, it's a great brick, then you are pot committed and can get it all in on the river. OR, when you under-rep your hand, realize that you need to call with aces up, if you got me you got me, etc. I like how Bart says one of his weaknesses is not paying attention to hands he is not involved in, I think it's one of mine too, but also is one of the drove of players just sitting there with headphones on just biding their time. I grind the low limits, and do very well, partly because I really try to pay attention to the hands that i am not involved in, though could be better at it. The turn is the key street in Hold 'em, don't get tricky, bet your ace-Queen on the great runout card and pay off the draw-outs at the low limits, and other limits too frankly. What's in the minds of a lot of recs at these levels is a mystery, don't think too much against people that can't think.
Bart, your point at the end is so true-just happened to me this month. I was playing 2/5 in Vienna and I noticed a guy on my right reach showdown where his opponent showed like Ace high and this player mucked after calling the river-so he called the river with not even Ace high. And then I played a pot with him right after that, and in my mind I was saying ”this guy has to be crazy and not very good” and my pot was limped, came off monotone 642 of spades and I had 64 in the big blind. I think I led the flop, and he raised and then bet very big on the turn and river which were offsuit 8 and Ten, and a voice said to me “you cannot fold to this player”-but I chickened out and folded and he showed King of spades and an offsuit Jack.
And I felt like a total idiot.
Maybe if you guys didn't talk strat at the table by "breaking down the hand", he woulda punted his whole stack off.
I want to cry when I see these guys at the table just absolutely killing the vibe.
More interested in trying to explain why what they did was ok and what the guy did who raked the pot was wrong that they miss out on actually beating him.
Just shut the fuck up, readjust and get back to it.
I just table change when these guys start going into this shit because the games gonna be dead soon anyway.
Yup. Hero and his ego buddies are terrible for the game.
Most 1-3 players aren't thinking what hands can I turn into a bluff here? They aren't thinking showdown+blockers etc. They are thinkig "Why would he block bet small if he had a flush; therefore, he doesn't have a flush, therefore I can turn my crap hand into an allin bluff." And to be honest, it isn't bad logic. Hero capped his hand by block betting and the opponent went for it. To fold, you'd have to believe he called flop with a BDFD then checked back his draw on turn... possible, but you'd expect him to bet at least some of them.
I was just in this exact spot in a 1/3 game and villain had turned a set and took the same line. I called with my rivered top 2 forgetting how underblufffed this spot is at 1/3.
The river is a snap call, almost all of the time, every level. Exceptions do exist I will admit, maybe you know for a fact that villain never never never bluffs based on playing with villain day in day out. If you induce a bluff you better plan on calling it. Even at 1-2. and 1-3. Call call call.
I like a smaller 1/3 c-bet size on that flop texture with our entire range. Turn check is awful imo. Due to hero’s small preflop 3bet sizing, villain can have a lot of QhXh in his calling range and that’s what we are trying to extract value from. When the Ah peels off on the river, I like a check-call here with the top of our range at these stakes. AA/QQ/AQ. While we can comfortably let go of 1 pair hands here if played as a turn bet, river hero check villain jam.
One thing I don’t really buy is a Qxhh flush because I think it bets turn almost always. KhQx maybe makes this play, MAYBE QxJh. 56 is all liking this play too probably.
I’m back and forth on if ace wheel draws make this play. On one hand, they might think they’re good with the check check, they read you as shutting down after the flop. On the other hand, it’s a weird size with a hand like that if they think you have nothing and a lot of players like this will just be relieved one of their non nut outs came in and be happy to check.
Still a call I think.
Edit: KhQx makes no sense on the turn either, probably betting. So maybe more QxJ/10h or Qh10/9o. Seems like you’re way at the top of your MDF range too.
Edit edit: I don’t think my combos analysis here is very good compared to a couple posts below, which I appreciated reading. I do think Bart’s point about the river sizing is good, you’re just begging for a low stakes player to read you ask weak with the turn check $100 bet line and try to blast you. Either bet $150+ that registers a real bet with some strength or realize that you’re basically inducing to call down with a bluff catcher that also beats some whacky overplayed value. Always appreciate the opportunity to learn from both the video and the back and forth in the comments.
I'm not a big poker player, but it seems like over half the hands he.picks for this channel are ones where the villain check-calls all the way to the river, and then goes all-in. Sometimes the villain hits it on the river; sometimes it's a stone-cold bluff; and sometimes we don't know.
The entire time I was thinking it's a snap call for me on the river with AQ, just because of the check on the turn, it's that simple. If he had 5 2, or backed into a flush, God bless him.
Bart teaching the “this is an under bluffed” spot and making people pay.
Villain can definitely overplay a worse 2 pair given the block sizing from hero. Seems more likely than a bluff. Given that, plus some spaz bluff, it has to be a call.
I thought he was going to say the guy had A 4 of spades or A 3 of spades and was actually trying to extract value.
Except if he was going for value I don't think he would shove on what appears to be a blocker bet praying to get to showdown with his single pair.
It just really seemed, the way the hand played out, like the river raiser wanted a fold and not to be called.
Sometimes you have to acknowledge if your play is appearing weak and then know that this means you're calling down any bet because what you're effectively doing now is inducing a bluff. A bet by the opponent is actually best case scenario because it allows them to have nothing. They can't call unless they have something decent.
This tactic trains people to allow you to blocker bet as well and see showdowns for cheaper because they know you're capable of inducing bluffs now.
If you're the caller or anyone else at that table besides villian, why would you ever breakdown that hand live at the table in front of villian? Like Bart said, that showdown has sooooo much value and to let villian know of that (whether they are smart enough to change their play or not) just seems like a bad idea.
I've played many many hours in the 1/3 at Casino Niagara. Most of the players are nitty and passive. There are a handful of wild players who will bluff with any 2 but the vast majority are not jamming anything but the nuts here. Unless I know the guy this is a trivial fold in this game.
I agree... It didn't make sense, and I call, and rather quickly too
Brad you looked like you really wanted to make a joke about the 1000$ CAD stack being worth like 100$US I made that read by looking deep into your soul .and then I had to edit my comment a little because you threw the loonies crack in there ..lmao love it
I mean really, if they don’t want people to make fun of their currency, don’t give it a goofy ass name like a loony, they’re really just asking for it.
I’d take my medicine and call. If he has a set he’s got me. The line made no sense.
The problem with blocking to induce is that you may simply level yourself into paying when villain isn't inclined to bluff you or he doesn't have enough hands to bluff with. And you're definitely letting him off for cheap if he backed into a two pair and would have called a shove but doesn't raise because there's flushes, sets, and better two pair in your range. That said if you're going to take a weak line to induce you better damn well call when you get jammed on. You gave up value and protection on the turn in order to set this up, you can't pussy out now. All that said bart is right if this guy is a true donk you need to pile it, don't get fancy.
Because of the fact I think flush draw + straight draw/pair (which was basically all villian could have hearts wise) is always bet on the turn by villian, I think this has to be a call even for viewers in similar spots with top two. You beat soooo many combos of Q8 & A3/4. Not to mention you've made your hand look like one pair at best so most busted draws like 56 and possible even A2/5 might value shove/semi bluff on river.
TL;Dr: yes it's 1/3. But unless you *specifically* know the person is super tight and is just never bluffing/raising worse, then it's always a call.
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What an absolute horrible fold
Don't like it but I think you have to call because while villain doesn't have many logical bluffs they are also super lacking value that makes sense. They have like 3 combos of QXhh maybe a few weird sets that you need to heavily discount. Given the price you need to be good about 25% of the time weird bluffs + discounted A4s probably give you enough there like they need something like 3 combos of hands you beat for this to be profitable as rarely as this spot is bluffed I think a lot of players have that.
People at 1/3 don't turn QhX into a bluff.
Yooo Bart. Looking forward to seeing this. 🤜🤛
I think hero played it perfectly until the river fold. He’s never checking a flush draw on the turn
This caller is the definition of a nit lol
I know the caller very well, I played with him many times, and believe me, he is not a nit....I'm very surprised that he folded, however I do believe he played the hand kind of poorly in my opinion.
Betting the turn would have created a completely different outcome. You don't need to create an opus at 1-3, just value bet and take the money...
Even though players should be checking back Qx of hearts ott a lot I find that it’s a hand type (top pair plus fd) that most lower stake live players are auto betting with zero thought
Yeah I think a lot of players with, say, QThh will bet the turn when checked to.
1. To charge AK which makes up a lot of hero’s range after 3 betting pre, stabbing flop and then checking turn.
2. To try and get a crying call from JJ/TT/99.
I disagree with Bart about villain being a bad player. There are solid LAGs out there and obviously the villain in this hand recognized that he could outplay this particular hero post-flop, so it is possible that him defending with 74s is a profitable play. I respect Bart a lot, but I do not think he realizes that just because it is very difficult to play a profitable LAG strategy, does not mean it is impossible. Also, the caller mentions the villain adjusted his strategy for the rest of the session to playing tighter because the table image this hand gave him. The only mistake he made was showing the bluff. I get away with moves like this several times in a session and the amount of decently-sizdd pots I steal far outweigh the times i get slowplayed or picked off. There are just so many nits at live low limits who will not make big river calls without monster hands.
If has flush good luck to him but I'm not folding top two. Your bet on the river looked scare of As so he took a shot.
Bah, the caller shouldn't have tapped the glass. Talk strat away from the table.
I'm alright with bet folding river but I would want to bet a bit bigger...highly exploitative but I'm with Bart on that one.
his block bet on the river looks like a scared queen, and the dude bluffing thinks he can represent an ace by raising, no regard for the flush at all. Add him to your overbluff list!
Terrible Fold. What are we expecting him to have here? The only realistic thing you lose to is a set. No one is backdooring a flush. 100% a call
Welp if he has 74 in his range, he most likely has some dipshit flushes, but not a ton.
i usually call when a guy tries to blow me out of the pot. if he had a good hand at this level he wants a call.
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So not only did the Hero allow V to bluff him off the hand, but then proceeded to help V by knocking on the fish tank???? 😑
This is an unbelievably easy call imo. I would expect them to bet 100% of the time with a flush draw on that turn, so I’m literally scared of 88 and only 88 on that river. Even a hand like A5s might jam river thinking they just counterfeit KQ or QJ… no way I’m folding at any point in this hand
Shouldn’t this river just be a snap call? What do you show up here with that’s better than AQ? AQxh QQ AA maybe 88s and maybe KJhh and KThh. On this river needing about 35% equity and you beat A4 A3 A8 56 67 QK QT QJ and maybe Q9. (KQ might bet turn if checked to) This seams under bluffed but you also beat a lot of their value that they think they are jamming. To me this seems like an A that rivered a decent hand and wants some thin value. I’m a slight winning poker player at these low stakes so I’m just thinking that a majority of players play stupid shit like this. I could be very flawed when thinking that we just have to sigh call after we river 2 pair.
After the River you have 100% equity or 0
Bet turn or check call river:) because hands like 99-TT 45s never call the river bet, but can bluff or can shove on you when you only bet 100$. so moral don't be greedy and just go to showdown and don't give a chance to bluff when you can't call
Besides showdowns, look how much he calls off in his blinds instead of folding. Bad players call off with garbage in there blinds
Right off the rip, I feel like the title should have my name it, lol
These people call here trying to justify their nitty junk game. You're not playing againgst tom dwan 😂😂
Against Dwan this would be a snap call lol.
@@noex100 okay.. you're not playing against chris ferguson!
Just check call river, he can't bet enough to get you off top 2 until you put 100 in for no good reason
$1000 CAD
*BART LAUGHS*
Is this one of those hands where the idiot villain doesn't even know he's representing Qxhh? He just figured the hero was weak and blasted? For that price I'm calling here all day.
Hey hard to make a pair in holdem 😆
I think that’s exactly what happened. Lot of bad players if they don’t have history with you will interpret this as weakness and blast. He doesn’t wanna fold with so much money in the pot, but knows he can’t call so he blasts. On the other hand, it’s a good play by villain exploiting his nitty image. I play snug and will try something like this once in a while to throw people off guard
villain calls $120 on a rainbow board to look for a flush? this guy lol such a fish
I'm never folding there. Take my money. Doesn't have flush in range and checked turn. 2 5 is all that beats me and it's a 4 bet pot. Yall overthinkiing the game. If I ever get in a hand with Bart I'm raising his ass with something trash and taking it down
Anything even remotely intelligent this guy said was instantly ruined by that last line at the end of the video. Bart knows it too, nice editing there.
The guy probably had KQh lol
Yeah, definitely keep going with the Canadian currency jokes. Crush live humor! 🙄
Word from the wise:
Stop verbalizing your decision process at the table. Poker is a soft hustle. Your need to appear knowledgeable is not helping anything or anyone.
Would appreciate it if Bart would coach his students / subscribers on these soft skills.
Insecure people like the caller are ruining live poker.
Agree with this 100%. Get out of here with your stupid post hand analysis at the table.
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He butchered this hand bet bet bet line 100%