Good title! Garrett said it in one of the best poker interviews ever, one of his biggest life hacks is just being grateful/thankful all the time. Hard to get tilted when you are thankful just for being alive and healthy!
Last week I was supposed to get dealt KJs in the BB, but instead the K hit my BB chips and flipped over when the dealer pitched to me. Dealer apolgized profusley and was surpised i didnt care one bit. I was dealt a 3 instead and folded. Had I gotten the K, i would of turned the 2nd nut flush vs nut flush and lost prob $1000 in Texas 2/5 game. These little misdeals and such are completely random and go for you and against you. It's just a small amount of variance in live poker you must be numb towards to succeed!
Happens all the time. Very often I fold a random hand and see I would have made a strong hand. I start feeling annoyed until it goes to showdown and I realize I would have been crushed
@@justinhart7172 no, the friend was to my right (I was on was in seat three and he was in 2). It was the button and blinds that got me. At least that is what I gathered from talking to that same friend. The dealer is actually usually really good. I have never seen him make a mistake like that before and we have lots of hours together.
You're worried about theoretical money that you lost as opposed to actual money. You might not have sent this hand to Bart if someone had the ace of clubs you would just be mad at the dealer. But if they did have the Ace of clubs and the natural River was a club same result you would have lost, but without being angry. Did you make any mistakes? If the answer is no then you should be happy that your opponents play terribly, especially when they beat you with horrible play. If one of your opponents had ATcc the entire time you would have never been angry no matter what happened with the dealer, you'd be happy with the premature turn card that turned into a club. In that case you save actual money with the mistake. Because you feel like you lost money with the mistake you're angry. You're simply being results oriented. It's fine. We all go through it, even Phil Ivey I'm sure. Am I the only one who salivates when I lose a big hand to obviously bad play?
Bart, you don't see flush over flush over flush, because you don't play $1-2 or $1-3 where people are calling with preflop with 23s and 75s, and the people you play with have some ability to understand that other players have hands. At these low stacks, a sizable percentage of people go, 'oh my God, I have a flush I'm going to win a big pot' That other players are showing strength is not a consideration, as they don't take such things into account.
I have taken almost a full year away from live play to work on my mental side. I still study and play online but I seemed to get upset more live. I plan on playing next week, just 1 2 and putting into play the tools I have aquired in the past year. Thanks for another great video Bart!
Well played hand by hero. The over call with 32 is indeed hilarious. The more o listen to some of these discussions about variance at the end, the more i think I need to actually just learn PLO, where the real bad play and action lives
I saw this happen twice at Hollywood in Grantville, PA. The sickest part about the second time was the fact I folded the 7d4d, and three other players still flopped the flush 😳.
Damn! Wish that place still had a poker room. I live in HBG and the drive to the next closest poker room is a little too far to make it to on the regular for me. You ever play with the Master?
@@guanyu8539 So did they just shut down the poker room up there for good with no plans of reopening? I haven't been in there for about 9 years now. Yes, I remember Master! He was there pretty much every day, right?
@@elliotsmeal3516 Yeah, they just never reopened the poker room when everything else started opening back up. I heard it was a lack of dealers or something. Yes! Master was there, like every night and was great action.
Brilliant. I particularly liked your talk at the end, about variance. I have seen too too many peoples get nuts because they happened to get, in their mind a bad beat, and curse and swear. It can be a maddening game though.
I was in a flush-over-flush-over-flush hand about 15 years ago in $3-$6 LIMIT super-loose game where I flopped the nut flush with AJs, capped 5 rounds with 3 players, another spade came on the turn, capped 5 rounds with 3 players, and another spade came on the river, and one player gave up and I was too blind to see a runner-runner straight flush (filled a gutter no less) as a reality and stacked off uncapped against a guy dumb enough to chase it. The other guy fished his hand out of the muck to show his low flush. Another player at the table claimed he folded a spade - lol. I've *never* been able to wrap my head around the mathematics of that.
"it's entirely fucking random" Haha I dig this so much..in our friendly home game when someone forgets to burn and turn, or cards go to the wrong player, I couldn't care less personally, the cards are random... Schrödinger's cat and all that
All these people chewing hero out for not 3-betting flop are exactly the same people who’d be calling him a fish if he’d 3-bet the flop and got stacked by the nut flush. “These guys have every suited ace in their range, what were you thinking?”
I 8 tabled online for about 25-30 hours a week for roughly three years. One hand, I had something like a suited A3 on the button with a couple limpers. There was a flush draw on the flop, five handed, and nobody folded. The flush hit on the river, and everybody got it all-in. Because obviously everybody hit the flush. We used up all 13 diamonds in the deck. To this day, I do not think I have seen four people have a flush, let alone five.
I said this on live chat. I've been playing live for 5+ years and in my first couple weeks I was in a flush over flush over flush hand. Ks Js 6s, I had 910ss, one guy had 46ss and guy next to me had A7ss. Just gross. Guy open jammed 230 with 46ss, i called, guy next to me re jams and i sigh call. Havent seen it since.
I must be way too used to low limits because when MP bet $100 on the River, my first thought was “that seems like a blocker bet from a guy who flopped a small flush - can I raise?” where Bart’s response is whether or not to fold.
I was in a hand at Bellagio 1-3 where I flipped a K high flush I bet I’m on the button and get checked too. Early position raises to $60 gets called by seat 7 and push all in. They both called. We all flopped a heart flush. I won. How do you figure the odds on that flop. 112 times 112 times 112 🤔
In these low stakes, people always say you have to sigh call because they are doing weird things, but they also say that when the guy bets the river into multiple opponents they always have it. It always depends on the outcome of the hand as to which one is said.
I wonder if MP mentally upgraded their hand when their already made flush also became a straight at the river. It makes no difference in actual hand ranking, but, I wonder if it just felt like a better hand to them when the six hit.
Had a guy at my table yesterday that would complain vigorously after every hand he lost. Saying it was a “bad beat” and “how could this happen?” All the losses were standard losses. The cards were just not running for him and yet he kept rebuying.
This is a characteristic most winning players do not have. Your first job is to identify the winning players and the fishy players. If they don’t have winning characteristics they’re your fish. Enjoy the feast as his attitude will deteriorate with his play after every marginal hand that doesn’t go his way. You should be thanking him for the neon sign that says all you can eat buffet.
Late summer 2020, on three occasions I flopped a flush against two other players who also flopped flushes. I only won one of them - which I guess is balanced?
This is why i end up ripping a lot of flopped flushes off of a check raise just to act like i have a naked club draw or a set just depends. Pretty rare this configuration.
I had a hand where it was button vs. blind vs. blind and all 3 of us flopped diamond flushes, then the Ad came on the turn. So 10 of the 13 diamonds in the deck were in play, lol.
I’m telling, MGM National Harbor is the best game on the east coast. So I am the caller here, and as an example… I pulled $300 out of my bank in December of last year… my bankroll is now 14.4K - and I haven’t been back to my bank. It’s common to have people sit down, go all in for 2-3 hundred with 2 face cards, lose and walk away. If you play well, people throw money at you.
@@RB-jf5ww That’s impressive. I’ve always wanted to take a trip there. Im in Charlotte NC, so the closest thing I’ve got is Harrahs casino up in Cherokee. I heard they’re building one called Two kings casino right outside of Charlotte, hope it opens up soon.
@@bigeblunders well it’s worth a trip. The games are always wild and the 1/3 plays more like a 2/5 elsewhere. I have only played 2/5 here 2 times, but it’s not worth it in my opinion as the caliber of player goes up and you get less of the wild drunk players throwing money at you.
Bart your absolutely right, premature cards get shuffled back in, and the turn is what the natural river would of bee; and this caller would of won a huge pot had the 2s hit the turn in flow and a bet raise went down lol
Check my math but the odds of 3 flopped flushes is like 0.2%, isn't it? Assuming we exclude the odds of 3 people having the same suit (which is like 0.03%)
You're spitting in the wind Bart. I am a lifelong successful gambler (not poker) based on following where the math leads me, and never cease getting advice and criticism from the superstitious types. If someone doesn't naturally "get it" as part of their makeup, you can never convince them.
Hey exactly. So this is my call in, and I just KNEW another club was going to come after the dealer error. It has happened to me before. But I would have bet big on a check to me, just accepting that if he had a made nut flush then he had it. But with 4 to the flush, I just couldn’t.
R B if it makes you feel better, club was coming on the end anyway. Though it seems like they’d have both called a small bet anyway, so what do I know?
@@hornetguy9063 yeah. But it’s the turn action that I missed. He would have bet into me or checked and I bet. He likely shoves on the river, and I have to sigh call. It’s really fine. Nothing could have been done differently.
I flopped a flush vs a higher flush twice in a session about 2 months back. Not complaining, just saying all sort of crazy things happen. :) (First time I ever played poker I won a huge freeroll with thousands of entrants. Even crazier)
I would greatly prefer the electronic tables. They don't make mistakes. They don't want/expect a tip and the house can make a profit while charging a lower rake. Oh, I almost forgot...Many cheating techniques rely on the physical cards and are totally neutralized by an electronic table.. The only downside is tradition. Do we still use typewriters?
I can beat this. The first time I played on-line, I lost 3 all-in hands in 10 minutes in the following manner: playing $20-$30 tournaments. 1. Set over Set over Set (after flop) 2. 4 of a kind over full-house (after flop) 3. Straight-flush over A-high flush (both hit on the turn) Cured me of wanting to play online.
@@katiemarshall7531 There is a difference between variance and a rigged game. I could play 10 million hands over 20 years and not see these 3 things happen, but to see them in a 10 minute span? That is not variance.
So you think that hundreds of pros have run millions of solves on billions of hand histories and somehow not discovered rigged poker online but you 100% identified it in 10 minutes 😂 where do you play live? (Asking for a friend)
@@DaveCompton5150 Katie is right. There are things called statistical anomalies. If you do something enough times, a certain result, anomalie, can, will happen, eventually, over the long term. If you flip a coin 1 zillion times, it will, can come up say heads, 1 million times in a row. That may seem impossible, but it's possible There have been ZILLIONS of combined NL Hold Em hands combined between online, home games, casino, etc, over the last 40 years. 1, couple, few, some MURPHY(What can go wrong, will go wrong, UNLUCKY) of poker, EXTREMELY UNLUCKY poker player(s) will have AA lose all in preflop 50;times in row, or get over setted, have their full house beat by Quads, etc, 10 hands in row, etc, and think the game is rigged, when not rigged, and scream RIGGED!!! Also offline at casinos don't get nowhere near as many hands as online, which is why you almost never ever have it happen at a casino. And then there is my experience. I turned $15 into $215 at Pokerstars, Jokerstars, and then got bad beat knocked out of 70 tournaments in row, in a 70 buy ins lost in row, without cashing ultimate mother of bad beat bad run, that knocked me down to $6 that I grinded up to $1750. If it was rigged, I would have not been able to turn the $15, $6 into $1750. Just so you know, and not to brag, but I have been playing for 17 years, and have cashed 69,79,89 out of 200 tourneys at casinos, had the success I had at Pokerstars, and have about a 38% cashing Ratio, and a 19% to 29% ROI, etc. The GAME IS NOT RIGGED. But go ahead keep thinking that, as the game needs fish like you. Also this is NOT the place to go on a The Game is Rigged comment rant like you did(Not that any place is appropriate for that as no place is appropriate for that). Also no one cares to hear your GAME IS RIGGED comments.
Caller's "superstition" is mean reversion. If you get a better-than-average on the first draw, then next draw is more likely to be worse or closer to the mean, and vice versa.
Played six hour sesh yesterday very aggressively and was dealt a load of premiums which were all raised and reraised preflop but let's see AA, KK,KK,KK,QQ,AK,AK,AK,AK all ended up losers...and oh yeah I flopped a flush along with two other flopped flushes one hand and lost that one too...plus flopped trips and lost to bigger flopped trips... Good to know it's entirely random
Hey Bart, and CLP gang, any advice on working through table anxiousness? I notice everytime I play, especially the first few hours of a session, I find it difficult to think and just seem to play on auto pilot. Even if I take my time my mind wonders and I lose track of what I should be doing really. Thanks.
Do you have add? Either way it doesn’t matter it’s no different than some pro watching a movie with headphones on while playing live is so beatable it’s fine.
I've also been playing for about 15 years, a couple of months ago i was in a hand with nut flush vs second nut flush, vs third nut flush vs lowest flush on a 4 heart and a spade board unpaired. It was online tho, but it was pretty sick. it was PLO tho.
Late summer 2020, on three occasions I flopped a flush against two other players who also flopped flushes. I only won one of them - which I guess is balanced? LOL.
"I knew i was ahead of their range. Theyre playing any ace" Hero: Q9s You dont beat action players by out actioning them. Its not necessary to play wide ranges against people who arent folding. This guys gonna get called down by k9. Villain: you good i just got a pair of nines Hero: 👁👄👁
I had an unfavorable ruling against me just a few days ago and I've never heard this allowed before, so I'm curious for some feedback on this. The actual hands and the board is not all that important as it is a betting issue but I'll post the board just for reference. Board: A968T Hero: 66 Villain1: T7 Villain2: Unknown The issue comes on the turn. They both check to me and I bet $125, Villain2 goes all in for $135. Villain1 wants to re-raise to $325. Considering V2 raised me and it was not a complete raise, then that should've of closed the action and no more raises allowed? The floor ruled that since V1 has not put in a bet yet, that they were allowed to raise my bet. It did not make sense to me because it is not my action that he is facing anymore but the all in. I even explained this and they said it didn't matter and he was allowed to raise again. I knew that he had the straight and I needed the board to pair, which it didn't of course and it cost me an additional $200 in this pot.
Villain 1 gets to raise your bet because he has not called any bet yet, so he has all 3 options still. If villian 1 called your 125 first, then V2 raise does not REopen the action.
@@z17seattle Thanks for the response. I was always under the impression that it does not matter that he hasn't called any bet yet and the determining factor was that the all in player did not make a full raise. It is still weird to me that his options are to fold, call 135 or essentially raise my 125. At least from my view point, it is my bet of 125, raise 10 to 135, and now from V1 he is facing the action of 135 without a full raise, regardless of my bet. Isn't that the risk they take when they've already made an action (in this case, check)? I'm sure you are right but I'm just trying to understand why he is allowed to raise cause I always understood that there has to be a complete raise for another raise to be an option at all.
You have the rule correct just misunderstanding the situation. Pretend v2 wasn't in the pot of course he has the right to raise right? Or pretend v2 has only $90. Your rule is correct that it is not open to YOU as you are the one who bet. But your bet opened the door back up for v2 to raise you.
I was in a flopped flush over flush over flush hand at harrahs in Cherokee NC but all the chips went in before the turn. I was on button with the nuts and a short stack shoved n co re shoves. Drinks for everyone please, on me 🥃
If the misdeal hadn’t happened, there’s no guarantee you would’ve won. Everything after that point would be undetermined, including the order of the remaining deck.
Wrong, the natural river becomes the turn, so we know the Kc was coming on the river. And the 2 should of been the turn. And given the flush over flush over flush there was a good chance the turn would of went bet raise call all in and prob Atleast one of them would of called. Huge pot
@@justinhart7172 we know that in THIS universe. You can’t have a misdeal and not a misdeal in the same universe. It’s a quantum event. Everything after is all new in the universe where there was no misdeal. For example, it’s highly unlikely, but something could happen that would keep the hand from ending, like a fire alarm or earthquake. Sorry. Physics.
@@chrisrusso4512 yes we actually do know he would of won. Because we saw what would of been the turn and we know what would of been the river. The caller knows it and he’s the player. Maybe you would of folded your flush but he wasn’t.
@@justinhart7172 nope. In our universe, the misdeal happened, if you want to see what the cards would’ve been in that scenario, you’ll need to go to the alternate universe without the misdeal. You realize the order of cards in a deck aren’t set until they’re observed, right? Without comparing the results of the two universes, you can’t know what cards would come. It’s quantum physics, yall
My local card room rakes all of their games (incl. 1-3) 10% to a max of $15. That isn’t a typo… fifteen dollars. I think the only profitable play for me is to not play there.
I'm not sure why hero is mad at the dealer he's the one that flopped the nuts against two opponents and didn't get it in. Whatever come out on the turn was going to come out anyway on the river. What if they would have put the aces clubs on the turn? Then you'd be thanking the dealer.
Oh I wasn’t mad at the dealer. Michael is a great guy, just new. It was a mistake. So I don’t blame the dealer for anything, just annoying at the poker-verse that it happened
Also, I had planned to get big if checked to me on the turn. He would have likely bet into me and if he bet big enough, I would have shoved. Both players said they were going to call any bet on a nonclub turn. So … the mistake cost me about 1k, knowing that a 2s was going to be the next card
That "integrity of the river" thing reduces the overall integrity of the game. It actually gives you more information you're not supposed to have than usual for essentially no reason.
@@noex100 Because you know that the river will not be the card that was shuffled back into the pile. If you don't do this weird "integrity of the river" thing, the river is a completely random card, as always.
I disagree. Any time you get a bad beat it's really just a credit you have with poker, redeemable maybe not that session but by the end of the next session you play. It is written.
Sorry but this caller has a terrible mentality to ever be a decent poker player. Superstitions, drama, emotions, 'a million things going through his head' in a small stakes game. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a winning player.
I think all of the integrity rules are designed to prevent any form of cheating. A corrupt dealer who is an expert card mechanic could use this to intentionally change the outcome, but anytime say an automatic shuffler shuffles the deck and the dealer cuts, we need to prevent any kind of manipulation that could alter the randomness. It always bothers me in home games when dealers put out all the burn cards and the community cards face down on the flop. Burning is to prevent card marking from giving someone an advantage.
i always despise people who trash dealer after they lose a big pot or bad beat, cause they cant even control the cards. it's like saying blame your faith when you suck at life in general lmao.
Good title! Garrett said it in one of the best poker interviews ever, one of his biggest life hacks is just being grateful/thankful all the time. Hard to get tilted when you are thankful just for being alive and healthy!
Garrett is the new ambassador of poker. Negreanu still is too.
Such a good point. I’m glad I got this lesson with a win. Makes it a little easier to digest.
ofc he has to be thankful, he is on the biggest heater i have ever seen in 13 years of poker 😁
I want that Garrett Adelstein action figure.
And also a Doug Polk (former Vanessa Selbst) figure would be nice. LGBTQ FTW!
Last week I was supposed to get dealt KJs in the BB, but instead the K hit my BB chips and flipped over when the dealer pitched to me. Dealer apolgized profusley and was surpised i didnt care one bit. I was dealt a 3 instead and folded. Had I gotten the K, i would of turned the 2nd nut flush vs nut flush and lost prob $1000 in Texas 2/5 game. These little misdeals and such are completely random and go for you and against you. It's just a small amount of variance in live poker you must be numb towards to succeed!
Beautiful
Happens all the time. Very often I fold a random hand and see I would have made a strong hand. I start feeling annoyed until it goes to showdown and I realize I would have been crushed
great attitude
So this is me. It’s crazy. It was such a crazy hand and table. 100% something I am accounting for in my game is to make sure I work on my mental game.
Buy a rabbits foot or go outside and pick a four leaf clover. 🤣
How bad was this dealer omg, did your “friend” behind you check out of turn to give the dealer a false impression that it was time to burn n turn
@@justinhart7172 no, the friend was to my right (I was on was in seat three and he was in 2). It was the button and blinds that got me. At least that is what I gathered from talking to that same friend. The dealer is actually usually really good. I have never seen him make a mistake like that before and we have lots of hours together.
You're worried about theoretical money that you lost as opposed to actual money.
You might not have sent this hand to Bart if someone had the ace of clubs you would just be mad at the dealer.
But if they did have the Ace of clubs and the natural River was a club same result you would have lost, but without being angry.
Did you make any mistakes? If the answer is no then you should be happy that your opponents play terribly, especially when they beat you with horrible play.
If one of your opponents had ATcc the entire time you would have never been angry no matter what happened with the dealer, you'd be happy with the premature turn card that turned into a club. In that case you save actual money with the mistake. Because you feel like you lost money with the mistake you're angry.
You're simply being results oriented. It's fine. We all go through it, even Phil Ivey I'm sure.
Am I the only one who salivates when I lose a big hand to obviously bad play?
@@RB-jf5ww i thought you said it was a fairly newer dealer and they were teaching them lol? How could you have a lot of hours together?
Kudos to the caller, he admitted he had a fault and is making plans to correct it. Awesome!
Bart, you don't see flush over flush over flush, because you don't play $1-2 or $1-3 where people are calling with preflop with 23s and 75s, and the people you play with have some ability to understand that other players have hands. At these low stacks, a sizable percentage of people go, 'oh my God, I have a flush I'm going to win a big pot'
That other players are showing strength is not a consideration, as they don't take such things into account.
I have taken almost a full year away from live play to work on my mental side. I still study and play online but I seemed to get upset more live. I plan on playing next week, just 1 2 and putting into play the tools I have aquired in the past year.
Thanks for another great video Bart!
Well played hand by hero. The over call with 32 is indeed hilarious. The more o listen to some of these discussions about variance at the end, the more i think I need to actually just learn PLO, where the real bad play and action lives
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 You definitely have to have a larger bankroll thats for sure.
Bart: Does he expect to get called by worse?
Me: Bart, he got OVERCALLED by worse lol
He knew his customer in UTG, just didn’t expect hero to be strong 🤣
MP: Here's the worst play to make on this river.
UTG: Hold my chip protector...
I saw this happen twice at Hollywood in Grantville, PA. The sickest part about the second time was the fact I folded the 7d4d, and three other players still flopped the flush 😳.
Damn! Wish that place still had a poker room. I live in HBG and the drive to the next closest poker room is a little too far to make it to on the regular for me. You ever play with the Master?
@@guanyu8539 So did they just shut down the poker room up there for good with no plans of reopening? I haven't been in there for about 9 years now. Yes, I remember Master! He was there pretty much every day, right?
@@elliotsmeal3516 Yeah, they just never reopened the poker room when everything else started opening back up. I heard it was a lack of dealers or something.
Yes! Master was there, like every night and was great action.
Brilliant. I particularly liked your talk at the end, about variance. I have seen too too many peoples get nuts because they happened to get, in their mind a bad beat, and curse and swear. It can be a maddening game though.
I was in a flush-over-flush-over-flush hand about 15 years ago in $3-$6 LIMIT super-loose game where I flopped the nut flush with AJs, capped 5 rounds with 3 players, another spade came on the turn, capped 5 rounds with 3 players, and another spade came on the river, and one player gave up and I was too blind to see a runner-runner straight flush (filled a gutter no less) as a reality and stacked off uncapped against a guy dumb enough to chase it. The other guy fished his hand out of the muck to show his low flush.
Another player at the table claimed he folded a spade - lol. I've *never* been able to wrap my head around the mathematics of that.
"it's entirely fucking random"
Haha I dig this so much..in our friendly home game when someone forgets to burn and turn, or cards go to the wrong player, I couldn't care less personally, the cards are random... Schrödinger's cat and all that
All these people chewing hero out for not 3-betting flop are exactly the same people who’d be calling him a fish if he’d 3-bet the flop and got stacked by the nut flush.
“These guys have every suited ace in their range, what were you thinking?”
I 8 tabled online for about 25-30 hours a week for roughly three years. One hand, I had something like a suited A3 on the button with a couple limpers. There was a flush draw on the flop, five handed, and nobody folded. The flush hit on the river, and everybody got it all-in. Because obviously everybody hit the flush. We used up all 13 diamonds in the deck. To this day, I do not think I have seen four people have a flush, let alone five.
I said this on live chat. I've been playing live for 5+ years and in my first couple weeks I was in a flush over flush over flush hand. Ks Js 6s, I had 910ss, one guy had 46ss and guy next to me had A7ss. Just gross. Guy open jammed 230 with 46ss, i called, guy next to me re jams and i sigh call. Havent seen it since.
I love National Harbor. Might be the best poker on the Eastcoast
For sure, Chasers, Boston Billiards, and Hollywood Seminole are my favorites
I must be way too used to low limits because when MP bet $100 on the River, my first thought was “that seems like a blocker bet from a guy who flopped a small flush - can I raise?” where Bart’s response is whether or not to fold.
I was in a hand at Bellagio 1-3 where I flipped a K high flush I bet I’m on the button and get checked too. Early position raises to $60 gets called by seat 7 and push all in. They both called. We all flopped a heart flush. I won. How do you figure the odds on that flop. 112 times 112 times 112 🤔
One of the most important mindset in poker, very good video 👍
Thanks for all these awesome videos Bart!
In these low stakes, people always say you have to sigh call because they are doing weird things, but they also say that when the guy bets the river into multiple opponents they always have it. It always depends on the outcome of the hand as to which one is said.
He called 75c because he also got a straight on the river. A straight and a six card flush has gotta be good right?
Your camera is super hi-res. Nice upgrade.
I wonder if MP mentally upgraded their hand when their already made flush also became a straight at the river. It makes no difference in actual hand ranking, but, I wonder if it just felt like a better hand to them when the six hit.
Considering folding $100 into $400 with the second nut flush? Lol it’s nothing but a snap call here what a nitty thought
Had a guy at my table yesterday that would complain vigorously after every hand he lost. Saying it was a “bad beat” and “how could this happen?”
All the losses were standard losses. The cards were just not running for him and yet he kept rebuying.
This is a characteristic most winning players do not have. Your first job is to identify the winning players and the fishy players. If they don’t have winning characteristics they’re your fish. Enjoy the feast as his attitude will deteriorate with his play after every marginal hand that doesn’t go his way. You should be thanking him for the neon sign that says all you can eat buffet.
Was his name Phil hellmouth
UTG I’m leaning he has a set. I think a turn bet would be ok. We need that set to pay to see the river.
Nice episode Bart, I’ve got an interesting hand I played that I’d love your opinion on - how do you get on the show?
Late summer 2020, on three occasions I flopped a flush against two other players who also flopped flushes. I only won one of them - which I guess is balanced?
if the first card benefited you the next card will either hurt you or be the same which one, do you think you are going to remember
You can control your luck when you are spiritually aligned!
I don't get tilted either by individual bad beats, but running bad for 3, 4, 5 months straight can make your patience go pretty thin.
Very true, it can get exhausting and sometimes make you play sub-optimal. Gotta stick to what you know
This is why i end up ripping a lot of flopped flushes off of a check raise just to act like i have a naked club draw or a set just depends. Pretty rare this configuration.
I had a hand where it was button vs. blind vs. blind and all 3 of us flopped diamond flushes, then the Ad came on the turn. So 10 of the 13 diamonds in the deck were in play, lol.
i once flopped an ace high flush vs a straight flush that was pretty rare
This seems like a game I’d want to spend a lot of time in 🤣
I’m telling, MGM National Harbor is the best game on the east coast. So I am the caller here, and as an example… I pulled $300 out of my bank in December of last year… my bankroll is now 14.4K - and I haven’t been back to my bank. It’s common to have people sit down, go all in for 2-3 hundred with 2 face cards, lose and walk away. If you play well, people throw money at you.
@@RB-jf5ww That’s impressive. I’ve always wanted to take a trip there. Im in Charlotte NC, so the closest thing I’ve got is Harrahs casino up in Cherokee. I heard they’re building one called Two kings casino right outside of Charlotte, hope it opens up soon.
@@bigeblunders well it’s worth a trip. The games are always wild and the 1/3 plays more like a 2/5 elsewhere. I have only played 2/5 here 2 times, but it’s not worth it in my opinion as the caliber of player goes up and you get less of the wild drunk players throwing money at you.
Bart your absolutely right, premature cards get shuffled back in, and the turn is what the natural river would of bee; and this caller would of won a huge pot had the 2s hit the turn in flow and a bet raise went down lol
Check my math but the odds of 3 flopped flushes is like 0.2%, isn't it? Assuming we exclude the odds of 3 people having the same suit (which is like 0.03%)
You're spitting in the wind Bart. I am a lifelong successful gambler (not poker) based on following where the math leads me, and never cease getting advice and criticism from the superstitious types. If someone doesn't naturally "get it" as part of their makeup, you can never convince them.
Good hand. I definitely like a three bet on the flop with that hand.
The turn card killed his action!!
Hey exactly. So this is my call in, and I just KNEW another club was going to come after the dealer error. It has happened to me before. But I would have bet big on a check to me, just accepting that if he had a made nut flush then he had it. But with 4 to the flush, I just couldn’t.
R B if it makes you feel better, club was coming on the end anyway. Though it seems like they’d have both called a small bet anyway, so what do I know?
@@hornetguy9063 yeah. But it’s the turn action that I missed. He would have bet into me or checked and I bet. He likely shoves on the river, and I have to sigh call.
It’s really fine. Nothing could have been done differently.
I flopped a flush vs a higher flush twice in a session about 2 months back. Not complaining, just saying all sort of crazy things happen. :)
(First time I ever played poker I won a huge freeroll with thousands of entrants. Even crazier)
Wow, 10 of 13 clubs at showdown. That's gotta be very rare.
I think with the checks on turn and river it’s a bluff jam maybe … is that possible from middle position to try to steal a pot …
"I'm way above their ranges". You have q9 haha
Did MP1 expect to get called by worse? Well UTG called with the worst possible flush so...
Why isn't the 2c shuffled back in for the turn?
I would greatly prefer the electronic tables. They don't make mistakes. They don't want/expect a tip and the house can make a profit while charging a lower rake. Oh, I almost forgot...Many cheating techniques rely on the physical cards and are totally neutralized by an electronic table.. The only downside is tradition. Do we still use typewriters?
I can beat this. The first time I played on-line, I lost 3 all-in hands in 10 minutes in the following manner: playing $20-$30 tournaments.
1. Set over Set over Set (after flop)
2. 4 of a kind over full-house (after flop)
3. Straight-flush over A-high flush (both hit on the turn)
Cured me of wanting to play online.
Same
Have you considered learning how to play? Lmao Varience is a bitch but understanding it goes a long way
@@katiemarshall7531 There is a difference between variance and a rigged game. I could play 10 million hands over 20 years and not see these 3 things happen, but to see them in a 10 minute span? That is not variance.
So you think that hundreds of pros have run millions of solves on billions of hand histories and somehow not discovered rigged poker online but you 100% identified it in 10 minutes 😂 where do you play live? (Asking for a friend)
@@DaveCompton5150 Katie is right. There are things called statistical anomalies. If you do something enough times, a certain result, anomalie, can, will happen, eventually, over the long term.
If you flip a coin 1 zillion times, it will, can come up say heads, 1 million times in a row. That may seem impossible, but it's possible
There have been ZILLIONS of combined NL Hold Em hands combined between online, home games, casino, etc, over the last 40 years.
1, couple, few, some MURPHY(What can go wrong, will go wrong, UNLUCKY) of poker, EXTREMELY UNLUCKY poker player(s) will have AA lose all in preflop 50;times in row, or get over setted, have their full house beat by Quads, etc, 10 hands in row, etc, and think the game is rigged, when not rigged, and scream RIGGED!!!
Also offline at casinos don't get nowhere near as many hands as online, which is why you almost never ever have it happen at a casino.
And then there is my experience.
I turned $15 into $215 at Pokerstars, Jokerstars, and then got bad beat knocked out of 70 tournaments in row, in a 70 buy ins lost in row, without cashing ultimate mother of bad beat bad run, that knocked me down to $6 that I grinded up to $1750.
If it was rigged, I would have not been able to turn the $15, $6 into $1750.
Just so you know, and not to brag, but I have been playing for 17 years, and have cashed 69,79,89 out of 200 tourneys at casinos, had the success I had at Pokerstars, and have about a 38% cashing Ratio, and a 19% to 29% ROI, etc.
The GAME IS NOT RIGGED.
But go ahead keep thinking that, as the game needs fish like you.
Also this is NOT the place to go on a The Game is Rigged comment rant like you did(Not that any place is appropriate for that as no place is appropriate for that).
Also no one cares to hear your GAME IS RIGGED comments.
I was in a hand where it was boat over boat over boat and I held 2 of the three boats.... wish I wrote this hand down.
Caller's "superstition" is mean reversion. If you get a better-than-average on the first draw, then next draw is more likely to be worse or closer to the mean, and vice versa.
6 of clubs on the river would have been interesting!
Bet the guy with 32cc would have still called.
Bart owes me an extra large pizza. Honolulu: Canadian bacon, ham, pineapple, mozzarella cheese and tomato sauce.
I disagree.
I'm owed a fair bit in All-In Adjusted EV online.
Where can I cash in my chips, does anyone know?
Played six hour sesh yesterday very aggressively and was dealt a load of premiums which were all raised and reraised preflop but let's see AA, KK,KK,KK,QQ,AK,AK,AK,AK all ended up losers...and oh yeah I flopped a flush along with two other flopped flushes one hand and lost that one too...plus flopped trips and lost to bigger flopped trips... Good to know it's entirely random
Hey Bart, and CLP gang, any advice on working through table anxiousness? I notice everytime I play, especially the first few hours of a session, I find it difficult to think and just seem to play on auto pilot. Even if I take my time my mind wonders and I lose track of what I should be doing really. Thanks.
Do you have add? Either way it doesn’t matter it’s no different than some pro watching a movie with headphones on while playing live is so beatable it’s fine.
@@Stockhandle123 great help!
The Kc was the natural river how would he have tripled up if it wasn't for the mistake
Great stuff
I've been playing 15 yrs and only once did I see 3 flopped flushes. Ironically, they were all sitting next to each other. #wild
I've also been playing for about 15 years, a couple of months ago i was in a hand with nut flush vs second nut flush, vs third nut flush vs lowest flush on a 4 heart and a spade board unpaired. It was online tho, but it was pretty sick. it was PLO tho.
Late summer 2020, on three occasions I flopped a flush against two other players who also flopped flushes. I only won one of them - which I guess is balanced? LOL.
It owes me the rake back
"I knew i was ahead of their range. Theyre playing any ace"
Hero: Q9s
You dont beat action players by out actioning them. Its not necessary to play wide ranges against people who arent folding. This guys gonna get called down by k9. Villain: you good i just got a pair of nines
Hero: 👁👄👁
Yeah I was thinking that, Q9s isn’t ahead of much.
I had an unfavorable ruling against me just a few days ago and I've never heard this allowed before, so I'm curious for some feedback on this. The actual hands and the board is not all that important as it is a betting issue but I'll post the board just for reference.
Board: A968T
Hero: 66
Villain1: T7
Villain2: Unknown
The issue comes on the turn. They both check to me and I bet $125, Villain2 goes all in for $135. Villain1 wants to re-raise to $325. Considering V2 raised me and it was not a complete raise, then that should've of closed the action and no more raises allowed? The floor ruled that since V1 has not put in a bet yet, that they were allowed to raise my bet. It did not make sense to me because it is not my action that he is facing anymore but the all in. I even explained this and they said it didn't matter and he was allowed to raise again. I knew that he had the straight and I needed the board to pair, which it didn't of course and it cost me an additional $200 in this pot.
Villain 1 gets to raise your bet because he has not called any bet yet, so he has all 3 options still. If villian 1 called your 125 first, then V2 raise does not REopen the action.
@@z17seattle Thanks for the response. I was always under the impression that it does not matter that he hasn't called any bet yet and the determining factor was that the all in player did not make a full raise.
It is still weird to me that his options are to fold, call 135 or essentially raise my 125. At least from my view point, it is my bet of 125, raise 10 to 135, and now from V1 he is facing the action of 135 without a full raise, regardless of my bet.
Isn't that the risk they take when they've already made an action (in this case, check)? I'm sure you are right but I'm just trying to understand why he is allowed to raise cause I always understood that there has to be a complete raise for another raise to be an option at all.
@@danielwilliams9753 he never had a chance to check raise you, so he gets to check raise your bet still.
Of course he gets to raiSe
You have the rule correct just misunderstanding the situation. Pretend v2 wasn't in the pot of course he has the right to raise right? Or pretend v2 has only $90.
Your rule is correct that it is not open to YOU as you are the one who bet. But your bet opened the door back up for v2 to raise you.
Hello Bart!
What does cy-call mean? or Si call or psi call or whatever it is?
Sigh call. Call reluctantly even though you're probably beat.
@@edonruse Ahhhh, thanks. What we always described as a crying call.
love the videos Mr Bart
I was in a flopped flush over flush over flush hand at harrahs in Cherokee NC but all the chips went in before the turn. I was on button with the nuts and a short stack shoved n co re shoves. Drinks for everyone please, on me 🥃
If the misdeal hadn’t happened, there’s no guarantee you would’ve won. Everything after that point would be undetermined, including the order of the remaining deck.
Wrong, the natural river becomes the turn, so we know the Kc was coming on the river. And the 2 should of been the turn. And given the flush over flush over flush there was a good chance the turn would of went bet raise call all in and prob Atleast one of them would of called. Huge pot
@@justinhart7172 we know that in THIS universe. You can’t have a misdeal and not a misdeal in the same universe. It’s a quantum event. Everything after is all new in the universe where there was no misdeal. For example, it’s highly unlikely, but something could happen that would keep the hand from ending, like a fire alarm or earthquake. Sorry. Physics.
@@chrisrusso4512 yes we actually do know he would of won. Because we saw what would of been the turn and we know what would of been the river. The caller knows it and he’s the player. Maybe you would of folded your flush but he wasn’t.
@@justinhart7172 nope. In our universe, the misdeal happened, if you want to see what the cards would’ve been in that scenario, you’ll need to go to the alternate universe without the misdeal.
You realize the order of cards in a deck aren’t set until they’re observed, right? Without comparing the results of the two universes, you can’t know what cards would come. It’s quantum physics, yall
For me the turn is ALWAYS a bet. NO A-high flush will EVER check the turn 3-handed after this kind of action.
My local card room rakes all of their games (incl. 1-3) 10% to a max of $15. That isn’t a typo… fifteen dollars. I think the only profitable play for me is to not play there.
Same here :(
Without the reshuffle MP could have drilled the 6c for a straight flush
bart youre super patient with all that talk about superstition
I bet hero wishes he had bet-3bet the flop now!
.? Do online poker have the possibility of,deck readers,,,?
There needs to be repercussions when the dealer puts out a premature turn or river. Nobody should lose money because of someone else’s mistake.
I'm not sure why hero is mad at the dealer he's the one that flopped the nuts against two opponents and didn't get it in.
Whatever come out on the turn was going to come out anyway on the river. What if they would have put the aces clubs on the turn? Then you'd be thanking the dealer.
Oh I wasn’t mad at the dealer. Michael is a great guy, just new. It was a mistake. So I don’t blame the dealer for anything, just annoying at the poker-verse that it happened
Also, I had planned to get big if checked to me on the turn. He would have likely bet into me and if he bet big enough, I would have shoved. Both players said they were going to call any bet on a nonclub turn. So … the mistake cost me about 1k, knowing that a 2s was going to be the next card
"They would play any two suited cards" as hero proceeds to overcall Q9 suited pre...
That "integrity of the river" thing reduces the overall integrity of the game. It actually gives you more information you're not supposed to have than usual for essentially no reason.
How does it give more information?
@@noex100 Because you know that the river will not be the card that was shuffled back into the pile. If you don't do this weird "integrity of the river" thing, the river is a completely random card, as always.
Hahaha that’s one hell of a funny way to look at it
Can the hero ever raise the river against such a tiny bet?
It looks to me like the Rookie dealer didnt shuffle properly.
Wait straight beats a flush …."????!!!,
I boated up on the river and beat two players with the same hand who’d flopped a straight
I’m not superstitious….it’s bad luck to believe in superstition 😜
75cc got called by 23cc....
Let’s go bart
Pro at 1-3???
They do exist .. 75k a year perhaps
Poker owes me at least ten thousand times I bad beat others for as many bad beats I have taken LoL
Uh, excuse me.??!?!?!!. Poker owes me clean run outs when my karma is good!!
I disagree. Any time you get a bad beat it's really just a credit you have with poker, redeemable maybe not that session but by the end of the next session you play. It is written.
Sigh call for fucking sure
Sorry but this caller has a terrible mentality to ever be a decent poker player. Superstitions, drama, emotions, 'a million things going through his head' in a small stakes game. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a winning player.
1st lol...seems completed standard play by hero...
Haha. Thanks. :)
Good job winning the minimum. Raise the flop.
FWIW, MGMNH 1/3 rake is 10% $5 max + $2 for BBJ.
I think all of the integrity rules are designed to prevent any form of cheating. A corrupt dealer who is an expert card mechanic could use this to intentionally change the outcome, but anytime say an automatic shuffler shuffles the deck and the dealer cuts, we need to prevent any kind of manipulation that could alter the randomness.
It always bothers me in home games when dealers put out all the burn cards and the community cards face down on the flop. Burning is to prevent card marking from giving someone an advantage.
i always despise people who trash dealer after they lose a big pot or bad beat, cause they cant even control the cards. it's like saying blame your faith when you suck at life in general lmao.