2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 vs 718 Spyder // When Numbers Don't Matter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2020
- This is the new 2020 718 Cayman GT4 and its joined by its slightly cheaper convertible twin, the 2020 Porsche Boxster Spyder. Both are a dream enthusiast formula. They are the Cayman and Boxster in their ultimate forms (until perhaps a GT4RS arrives), and what better way to test them than to hit some of our favourite back roads? Specced today at $148,000 CAD (GT4) and $129,000 CAD (Boxster Spyder), they command a hefty premium, so are they worth it? James and Thomas jump behind the wheel of both to experience them and discuss them inside and out. Watch and enjoy!
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James: "But obviously the biggest difference is the roof."
Thomas: "Oh I didn't notice."
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I, too, hit Porsche owners so I can talk to them about the one time I drove a 944...
944s were great handling Porsches
Can confirm, I used to own a 944t... spent all my time dodging people.
Please don't hit me...
acchaladka 😂😂
Lmao
Also that would be the ideal accident conversation bey😂😂😂
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@@shubham------- @WWww@
*Whispers* “She’s dumb tho” 😂😂😂
Update: He is now single.
RIP
Press F to pay respects
He's better off anyway
15:55
Thomas : your girlfriend couldn't figure out how to use the door straps.
James : She's dumb
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
James is soooo deeeead!
Thomas : "It’s not the dress, it’s how it drapes on the body"
James: "you need to change your wardrobe mate!"
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I am with Thomas. The 987 is still a beautiful car and amazing driving experience. Especially in 987 Cayman R or 987 Boxster Spyder form. James lost some car enthusiast points with me on that silly comment.
qikqbn77 oh cool, I love Porsche so your channel looks cool :D
@@qikqbn77 +1 987 Cayman is a classic design that will age very well imo.
This this that makes this channel special. The fact that you guys don't just talk about figures and numbers. You two really know what it means to drive and experience a car, and know what's important at the end of the day, how the car makes you feel. I've always wanted these cars, but you're right, if you can't enjoy it, what's the point? Maybe it's time i take down my Porsche posters and pin up an MX-5.
I have both a Mk2 MX5 and a 2.7 986 Boxster. Of course the Boxster is faster, more comfrotable and more planted.Not to mention, that flat 6 howl.... However, the MX5 still brings a smile to my face whenever I drive it, so responsive and agile. Both are relatively affordable as well. At least, certainly compared to these two. So maybe not your dream cars, but very attainable cars that will make you happy and don't have to remain posters at your wall.
I’m mostly here for your intros
And also your reviews...love them
I agree with the first sentence
And the second.
Best intros on TH-cam xD
Simply the greatest!
yeah... the intros are fuckin cringy
The acting is unbearable very cringey
Why am I building a new home when I could be driving one of these?
I don't know. Maybe because your house won't depreciate 30% in 5 years? Depending upon markets, of course.
@@dougrobinson8602 Then don't buy cars in general
buy a used $15k Boxster for 80% of the fun
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Austin that’s possible if you live in a country without stupid tax systems on cars, but I live in Belgium and just say that they like to tax a lot on cars here...
You can only rev the first and second gear out?
Laughing in German
That only grants you 4 more seconds of fun at Best 😂
That is always the issue with manual power lovers in the US. Where you gonna drive it? Montana? The Track? (HA!) If you want to wind gears out an listen to the frequency rise, get an old Rabbit or Honda. Rowing the gears in a car that can hit 100MPH in 2nd is just putting busy work between you and overdrive.
@@chooseymomschoose it's like
1-2-jail 🙂
chooseymomschoose hey i ride a ZX14R .... you can still stretch that 6th gear out. Maybe not legally.. but you can ;)
*laughs in autobahn*
happiness is beyond 7000 RPM
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You mean the base model, the others will be arriving shortly. ;)
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That intro tho, men will be men XD
I love the Carrera GT aesthetics of the Spyder
The GT4 is my dream vehicle. It just seems like the perfect middle ground of a sports car without being too brutal
Exactly. And extremely well made/ Goodlooking
What do you think about of the gt4rs
420hp, more than middle ground, imho ^^
@@MakkyTakiStoleYourBaki Absolutely incredible car. I feel like at a certain point, though, you've lost all livability. To me, that's what really makes a good Porsche: It has to work as a daily. It shouldn't with what it can do on the track or from a stoplight. It shouldn't be that good and still be drivable and livable. I feel like the RS is drivable to the track, but really not livable or even enjoyable out on the road. You really can't rev it out, carbon ceramic brakes are apparently pretty unpleasant in normal city and highway driving. It's an absolutely special car, but I just don't think it would work out in the real world. I really want to be able to enjoy my Porsche the 95% of my life that I'm not at the track, as well as the 5% that I am.
You know you're a Fan of Throttle House when Thomas says I'm Thomas and you automatically say I'm James
They need to make a shirt that says I'm James
0:01 ok but can we just take a second to look at James's head not moving?
My mother was a chicken
Hhaaha
Doesn't work use this 0:01
@@maverickyt2653 works for me lol
@@jamesengelsman9369 lol i have chickens they are funny as hell.
When we look back in ten years, we will realize that these were the high watermark of interior design. Buttons for common functions, no buttons on the wheel. Brilliant!
I had a 2016 GT4. I was retuning home in the Niagara area when I was pulled over by a cop. No ticket he just wanted to inform me that my front plate was ajar. I got out to look at it when he said, nice car. Now that was a nice cop.🥶
Analogue gauges... PERFECT.
Im glad they didnt go digital.
Most sensible, perfect sized Porsche in the market.
If it had the gauges the 992 has, that would be even better, but I’m definitely not complaining.
The only thing that they need, in the case of the cars they reviewed, is the Porsche DCG
These intros are amazing, please never change
I discovered this channel in quarantine, and I must say, you guys are amazing, the production quality and the effort and time that goes into these. You guys are really really entertaining. Much love!
I dont recall the camera ever once showing the most distinctive unique feature of the 718 Spyder-- the raised tunnels featured on the rear deck. My favorite part of the entire car. Surprised that would be overlooked.
"We'll edit that out"
Yep. Enjoy the couch, James :)
Both of these cars are wonderful and beautifully simple, thank you Thomas & James for these videos
You guys are getting better & better exponentially! Very enjoyable to watch every episode.
There is something about watching and listening to Porsche’s that makes me more excited to drive than any other car
You guys are SO good, you are causing a vacuum in enjoyment of other car channels. You basically embody what Porsche is in the context of the most complete sports car but you do it in the context of car review production.
Great video guys. I have the Spyder and I absolutely love it. My first drive in it was a 4.5 hour trip home. I have got the carbon bucket seats. After the first hour I thought blimey my back is sore but strangely after another hour or so the pain went away. I arrived home after an epic trip across country feeling wonderful. After two Lotus Elises I find the roof easy to put up or down. Unless it’s raining the roof stays down for even more enjoyment. This is truly a great car.
so do you think that buckets are comfortable or not?
@@kingjinx9924 The heated buckets in my Spyder are very comfortable but they are not an option anymore. The only buckets available now on the Spyder feel too upright. A lot of owners modify them by fitting a couple of bespoke brackets that incline them very slightly. Apparently it makes a significant improvement.
@@kingjinx9924 it’s not the comfort, they’re actually quite comfortable. It’s getting in and out over the side bolsters. It’s and up/over deal where there steering wheel is an issue getting out for some folks and getting in is an ungraceful fall. You will be hurting for the first 15 minutes after you fall in. So for a 4 hour journey they’re actually relatively better than they are for quick runs around town…after you install the brackets to slightly recline them back. Not being able to get in and out, not being able to have the heating element if you want it, and no adjustability isn’t worth the little bit of savings…that carbon though…🤤
When I first heard of the gt4, all other "expensive" sportscars died for me.
This is the ultimate dreamcar for me
Having owned a cayman 987 I feel like the points mentioned in this review are spot on. I've loved the car but to really have fun in one of them you have to drive at speeds not legal in most countries.
This is also the reason I went back to a miata..
I find the all the talk about the flat 6 naturally aspirated sound amazing, but you can’t enjoy it on normal roads (where 99% of us drive). I own a 718 Cayman GTS (2.5 l turbo 😮) and the torque is usable everywhere. This is an amazing street car and a decent track car. I own cars for how they drive, not sound (at 9/10th) but this car also sounds great from 2/10th to 9/10th.
@davidlane9556 you can enjoy them on normal roads, just need a radar detector and a smart head on your shoulders
The gear ratios are virtually the same as on the 997 GT3, and no one complained about it then. People say the 997 GT3 is a high water mark for Porsche driver's cars. The GT4 now has more HP than the 997 and weighs the same, so why does every single reviewer complain about the long gear ratios now?
What a joy to watch you both!!!
But I guess the 718 made it rather easy for you to appreciate what was being offered to you.
I think I need to watch this video again. Even if it's only to listen to the sound and to watch your happy faces again. Cheers from Germany - still not having a speed limit on the Autobahn and I pray to god it will never happen. :-)
great video guys as always. i never drove the new one but i'm blessed with the older gen GT4 and the only think i know is the difference in exhaust-sound
You guys are my heroes and envy you greatly. Thanks for always pumping out great reviews letting us dream through them.
Honestly such good videos guys! Seeing you two enjoy the cars just puts me in a
good mood! 😁
Thanks for the great perspective and weighting of the transmission issue. Very important information!
I’ve always been a Porsche fan boy and the only Porsche Throttle House vid I could find was the Halloween one. I’ve loved the Porsche videos lately
I was never really interested in modern Porsche's until these came out. I LOVE the 718 Cayman GT4 with that manual. Even with that tall gearing I would take that over the flappy paddle offerings of other cars. Lets hope these sell so well that Porsche and other manufactures put some serious thought into have manuals available for all the cars in their line up as an option. Again much respect for those car manuals alive. Great episode!
Fantastic video as always guys!
I have a GTS 4.0 in gentian blue coming early next year. I can not wait! I would love to see a review of that when it’s come here to Canada!
It really honestly took me 15-20 drives to get accustomed to the posture of the buckets. Now I don’t have much of an issue with comfort. Have spent upwards of 5 hours in them without issue
The long gearing is not as big a problem as these guys make out. I've had my 981 GT4 since May and I can tell you, it's awesome. Country roads, nobody around, early morning, you can use the car, no problem. And the 981 sounds way better than the 718. Very, very happy owner here!
The 718’s valves close themselves, even with the button on, for most of the rev range. Once that’s sorted, either via a $250 controller, or a $.02 zip tie, you’re good to go. Pop in a couple air filters and you get the RS’s intake sound. That being said, if you’ve already got a dialed in 981, absolutely skip the 718.
@@cartergarnon6299 💯
@@cartergarnon6299yep zip tie, GPF delete, and BMC filters. All it needs
The 981 and 718 GT4’s are absolute dream cars. In my opinion, better than the 911’s. It’s just a shame that Porsche purposely limited the HP/torque to prevent it from unseating the 911. Unfortunately, they _need_ that power gap to justify that $200k+ price tag for their flagship. Sadly, I think it will always be that way for the production life of the Cayman GT4, even if they make a RS version. The long gears are a common complaint, and I really hope they improve the ratios (in addition to adding more power) in later iterations. Sharkwerks in CA will regear the 981 and 718 to what it should have been out of the factory; however, the $10k cost and the loss of your PCNA warranty don’t seem worth it unless your pockets are deep enough.
One of your best videos so far, great job guys !
On my 991.2 C4S manual, same thing, long gearing, but wouldn't own it if it only came with PDK. I still have great fun being able to show my tail lights to 99% of the cars on the road. The interior and instrumentation on both of these cars is more pleasing to me than in the new 992 .
Love your intros keep doing them
This is low key becoming my favorite car review channel
I was watching autotraders new vid on the bentayga and this showed up. Perfection!
TH review is so honest, you can tell they love what they do
They should really make a Targa.
Almost the stiffness of a coupe, especially with the roof attached, but still have the open top.
911 targa
@@hnouh1090 they mean a Cayman Targa
Here’s the thing about the Boxster vs Cayman; the Boxster came first. The Cayman is the exact same car PLUS a roof. It’s actually heavier than the Spyder. Most people get that wrong because usually the convertible is an afterthought. The Spyder isn’t a convertible, it’s a Spyder, that’s the difference. The Spyder is the best handling car ever made, no additional rigidity necessary.
Love the broadsword analogy. Still the best and most entertaining car reviewers out there. Keep it up!
Great presenters, very watchable duo...just discovered you and you guys work so well. Extremely complimentary.
Wow I kinda asked for this last video. That was fast, thanks! Even though I don't like porsche, both of these always looked great!
"Might as well be called blue balls blue" - James. Had me rollingg
Or, ... "blue balls blues"
Really enjoyed the humour! Been watching a load of reviews on the Spyder.....cannot get over it.....need to testdrive one soon......I really enjoyed your review most! It made me subscribe ☺
Allright, I have to hand it you guys... this is the best car review channel out there... I do watch a lot of these!
Porshe to me is "THE" quintessential sports car, would LOVE to own one.
*sigh* another Porsche car I will never be able to afford...
*sees manual transmission*
Aight down to the download section you go
You will in 5 to 10 years, used... Unless you have ownership taxes
Why would you waste money anyways? Just watch and learn. th-cam.com/video/tQ3x462rlmg/w-d-xo.html
@@TheChenny73 I'll see your MX-5 and raise you a French hatchback. th-cam.com/video/9qCmwCnNeMA/w-d-xo.html
That said, I bought a Porsche...but only because I couldn't find a 306 GTi-6 (or Lexus GSF...mmm).
Cameron Smith what? 2016 gt4 and spyders haven’t even lost 20k dollars. Like 99% of them with a clean title are still over $85000 usd. Most were barely 100k new.
@@thisisdudewhoru Crazy good value retention! The answer's obvious. We must.. buy new.
I love TH with all my heart... this is the best car test/review/fun channel...
Best intros,lovely and honest opinions,very fun and engaging to watch♡
For us in Europe this will the best option. During the week I traffic in 2nd gear and no shifting and in weekends drive to Germany and rive out on the Autobahn 😁
Those 4.0l naturally aspirated flat 6's. DAMN they sound good. Especially in real life.
Excellent perspective of the GT4. Well said, you're right. Just comfortable enough to get you to the track but it's a track car. Just enough to show you on regular roads what it can do. KUDOS
Got to drive the new GT4 this past weekend for a few laps. It was amazing. I have a Infiniti G37 S and it’s the most responsive and powerful car I had driven prior. The main difference that I could tell immediately was the steering response and the grip. The track didn’t have any long straights so the fastest a good driver could get to is about 100 and I could get to 80. My Infiniti can go fast in a straight line…but when I took a corner in the GT4 at speed is when my face lit up. Each lap got better and I didn’t push the car anywhere near its limit and it was still exhilarating.
Whenever I’m feeling down, I watch this video to hear that beautiful NA boxer super high-rev music.
Nice reviews- the 2nd gearing is only an issue if you want to live in the 5-8k rev band - you can have lots of fun 3-5 and still stay legal
Once again with the TOP TIER intro skits!🤣👌🏾
Y’all have never disappointed!
Thomas, James. James, Thomas....whatever. You guys are currently THE BEST car channel out there. Seriously. What a fun to watch you guys having different opinions, different perspectives, different cultural backgrounds (well...almost). Anyway, keep doing what you are doing! Please.
I’m glad they went back to the H6 engine and stay with it along with being naturally aspirated
As much as I love turbos I miss the NA engines of the 90s and 2000s
I hope they bring those back
I love how much these guys love these cars. Thomas looked like he was on the verge of crying simply cause of how "in love" he was
I wait every week for this.... thank you Throttle House for existing....
You come for the intros... And stay for the content.
Just amazing🔥
Yo James. Comparison between this and your Miata? Obviously different league, but same sport?
Next up: Lotus Evora GT - The porsche competition to the GT4/Spyder.
@auto blipper I think he meant Lotus competition
Porsche has no competition period. Looks, performance and top quality built. Oh image does help.
I think these two are the best duo car review drivers and are so fun to watch 👍
Wow. Love it. I have a 2013 boxster stick shift and I have same exact problem. 1st and 2nd gear only within speed limites + -
My pick is the Spyder with a manual. It’s the junior Speedster for around 1/4 the price. For track use: GT4 with PDK
C- 1/4 the price of the Speedster!! Read my post. Compare GT cab to cab.
The Star Wars shirt that matches the interior colors of the GT4... Bravo!
This video was both great because of its content as usual but really well put together as well. Some great editing. I just want a Porsche now
Great videos with good laughs. FYI I love the track comparison videos. 5:20 the fact that Porsche gets good HP and uses lower torque should be easier on the engine. The torque in my engine is why I'm not modifying anymore power than I'm up to now.
I would love to see these two do a grand tour or top gear sort of thing, it would be awesome
Wish granted
I’m a bit of a corvette fan boy, but the GT4 is honestly the perfect Porsche
Is there Porsche corvette?🤔
Accept for the gearing, and that wasn't an accident. For some reason Porsche tries to keep the Boxter/Cayman from outshining the 911.
@@ericmichel3857 Because the 911 has better profit margins. They can't have 911 Carrera customers jump down to a Cayman
This is now the best car review channel on TH-cam...And from Ontario.. awesome
Guys this is what true passion looks like. These guys are passionate
This duo should hit a million subs tonight
Make mine a Spyder, gorgeous and sounds amazing...while remaining comfortable for real life!
I owned a boxster 981 and the extra-long gearing was already an issue: good for driving crazy (Nürburgring lap times? ) but frustrating in real live. I knew the car was able to be perfect to drive but only in 5% in the real world road. I trade it after 1 year (loosing a lot of money) for a used 997 gts. Pure love.
You guys are great, thanks for another excellent Canadian channel , would love a GT4 RS next to my launch year Cayman S!
The intro 👌🏼 haha
"Blue balls blue" That's genius
Keep up the amazing work guys!
Guys! Greetings from a fellow Torontonian (I assume that’s where you’re based?). I love your approach! Great production, good, honest and humorous reviews. Ripping around on the back roads, you are saying exactly the same things I have always said for years about my 987.1 Boxster S. Thankfully that ‘only’ has about 325 HP so I can rev it out, but I still end up blistering down the on-ramp in second and shifting up into third as I merge. But it’s better than only getting on shift (1st is very short in that car). These are beautiful machines... I am glad they are as analogue as the older ones. Mine has a short-throw shifter and stiffer H&R springs (along with a few engine mods) which makes it very quick, very loud (Miltek exhaust) and very hard. Not a car for long drives. But for twisty, athletic drives, and pure fun - it can’t be beat. A Cayman R would be quicker, but everyone loves a convertible - kids even scream and wave. Thanks for the reviews! Keep them up.
"She's dumb", I appreciate the fact they didn't edit it out.
i've driven both on a track and the gt4 is definitely made for racing, a very good purchase if you can't afford a gt3
Honestly, it reminds me of the 944 Turbo S. It's a 911 killer.
How did I miss this episode 9 months ago! Great intro and episode
For this year's Halloween special, i would like to see an Old VS New hearse comparison.
I can already see the "Dying to get in." jokes.
Your chemistry and showmanship is amazing. ❤️
Best car around 100K! Absolutely beautiful cars!
I would like those being compared to the cheaper boxter gts 4.0 that also has 6 cylinders...
Almost Identical car mate
That's the one I'd prefer
Ye aspirated 6cyl waaaay more fun experience
I had the opportunity to drive a last gen GT4 a little over a year ago and fell in love... the gearing is ridiculous, but if the PDK sorts that out, I will look to try and own a 718 at some point... The sound is intoxicating...
Omg i love Porsche so much. Sadly i can't afford even a older model. But a while ago my wife suprised me with a rental for the day. A Porsche GT3 RS Very bright green with a black engine hood and black rims. Went to the Autobahn in Germany to test that baby out. I enjoyed it so much, i wanted the day never ended, hahaha. After meeting my wife and the birth's of my 3 kids, this was then the best day of my life, hahaha.
Thomas and James, love how you guys present all these beautifull cars again and again. Like your show as much as the old Top Gear show with Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond en James May. Maybe even more. Keep up the good work. You guys make cry of laughter. lol
@15:57 Thomas: "I believe I was on the phone with you this morning and your girlfriend could not figure out how to open the door. That actually happened this morning.", James whispering: "she's dumb...". I died laughing! 🤣🤣
This is by far my favorite car review channel. Both for the intros, and the humor. Oh, and of course the technical content as well.