Hearing your conversation around Neville made me think of a new what if...What if Harry really died in deathly hallows...could Neville end Voldemort too? He is the other chosen one. I think for this scenerio to play out Voldemort has to take someone elses blood the come back...but what do you think?
Ok, I have another one. 😅 what if Lucius goes to prison after the first war like Bellatrix. I think that would have a HUGE inpackt on Draco and might change a lot of the story.
Bonus points to McGonagall for the most shocking line in the series. You think since she's a stickler for the rules she's gonna tell Harry off for speaking out to Umbridge. Instead we get "Have a biscuit Potter"
@@cobaltsable1800 yes! Or when she shaded Umbridge to her face with "Harry's marks have been top of DADA class whenever he's had a competent teacher" lol
I would argue that the thing McGonagall teaches Harry most is humility and fairness - he sees Snape being blatantly biased in favor of Slytherin and always playing favorites, but McGonagall straight up says "no, I won't be lenient towards you just because you're Harry Potter and in my house". The other thing this does is, in my opinion, show Harry that sometimes you absolutely have to break the rules to do what is right - and when does he first really learn that? When he gets house points for saving Hermione from the troll.
I disagree with everything here in regards to the tier list. Harry and Ron went to save Hermione due to guilt and being 1st years i doubt theyve learned or was influenced enough by McGonagall to make that concious choice. while i do think McGonagall teaches Harry fairness and humility, it doesn't contribute to the downfall of voldemort. Your argument is more for the best/ most good character type of list.
I would argue McGonagall teaches him that she is useless as a role model. She turns him away several times. She actually goes easy as well on offenders not of her house. She also ignores all the bullying of Harry from the house.
@@takumi2023to be fair I don’t think they were saying McGonagall influenced Harry and Ron to go save Hermione from the troll, but more that her awarding them points afterwards is the first time Harry gets approval from a wiser and older person about the value in breaking the rules to do the right thing
@@samsherwood8332 that part where she awards them for breaking the rules is debatable. I do agree they are rewarded for rule bending. I dont think they were breaking the rule necessarily. My take on that scene is that theyre notifying a classmate regarding a danger in the castle. Prior to that was dinner in the great hall, so it was still before curfew. So technically, they were going back to the common room, just took a slight detour.
I’d also add that McGonagall was the first person we met who really was trying to look out for Harry- she scoped out the Dursleys, saw they were awful, and begged Dumbledore not to leave him with them. She knew he’d have an awful life with them and wanted better for him. She wanted him to feel loved as he’d lost the two people who had always provided him with it. Goddess Level was the perfect spot, the Carlin Bros should have left her there.
For Fred and George, I also wanna mention their shield hats, cloaks, and whatnot. Even the ministry of magic saw a need for them. Personally I would put the Twins at an O because they were not only focused on bolstering morale but also providing practical tools. Decoy Detonators, Darkness Powder, Shield Garments, etc. I think Weasley's Wizard Wheezes is the best shop in the entire Wizarding World.
Potterwatch alone should put them in an O. After the Ministry fell, these two who just left school create a underground radio news channel to help coordinate and give heart to those standing against Voldemort.
Another point for Molly and Arthur is that first year Christmas. They hadn't even met Harry yet and sent hiim the same present as their sons. Especially if you go with Dumbledore plan theory, the trip to see Charley in Romania was all about having Ron stay at Hogwarts to keep Harry from being alone. Harry's sense of belonging is vital to the entire downfall of Voldemort. He needed people he'd be willing to die for.
I’d love to see these guys rank their favourite/ top 20 HP characters through all of HP. They’ve ranked the movies and they’ve ranked the books, but I don’t recall them ever just ranking their favourite characters, and sharing with us why they would rank them where they do.
I feel like it should either be two videos and the first one be favorite book characters and the second be favorite movie, or one video with 10 movie and 10 book
I can't remember how it goes down in the books but without Ron, isn't Harry dead in the water, drowned by a horcrux? Didn't Ron physically pull him from the water? Seems pretty Outstanding to me.
Yes! He literally saved Harry’s life. Also, Ron killed a horcrux. Anybody who personally killed part of Voldemort’s soul deserves O status. And that’s besides all of the many many contributions of Ron that the Carlin bros didn’t even mention.
"Why didn't you take this thing off before you dived?!" Ron screaming that at Harry after he saved him is still one of my favorite lines. He also fought off possession from Voldemort and took back control to stab the locket. Let's also remember, Ron thought of the basilisk, took Hermione to the Chamber of Secrets, remembered the 2 times Harry said open in snake language, mimicked it well enough to open the Chamber, which gave Hermione a chance finish the cup once and for all. So he indirectly helped kill a second hortcrux, too. He deserves to be on the same level as Hermione. That's all.
Personally I'd credit Ron for being Harry's window into the Wizarding world. He and his family was the perfect adoptive family to take him under their wing and show him the ins and outs of the world Harry could have so easily been manipulated by. Ron, of course, being the most important of the lot where Harry is concerned. But as for direct impact of the indisputable sort -- the rescue from drowning sticks out in my mind as the most crucial thing Ron had done in the story. Had Ron died in one of the previous books and it all played out exactly as it did, Harry is dead and Voldemort wins.
@@bryce5631Yeah, but he gets it with like a golf clap and a heavy dose of sarcasm. Outstanding work, Tom, you sure did a great job of helping Harry defeat Voldemort.
My thought about Snape is that imo his job is the hardest within the good guys. He has to be extremely smart, clever, actorish, controlled, great in oclumence and generally a great wizard to manage Voldemort in 5-7 HP parts and triple agencing all the time
RON IS AN O While he can succumb to jealosy (as we all can) he a TEENAGER he was only 14 in GOF so of course he can act like a prat. Dumbledore gave him the Deluminator because he knew Ron would always come back to the TRIO 1) He took out one of the Horcruxes 2) Figured out the basilisk fang could be use to take out another Horcrux 3) Left school to help Harry hunt Horcruxes 4) He beat the chess game in book 1 5) His Friwndship and loyalty to Harry is the one of the fundamental things that keeps Harry grounded 6) He was willing to give his life for Harry in book 3 when he thought Sirius was after Harry 7) In the books he is the pewrson that teaches Harry about the Wizarding World I think all of that outways some of his petissies that he eventually get over
We're ranking based on contribution to the downfall of voldemort. I agree with 1-5 but i argue that 6 and 7 arent contributing factors. If ron wasnt there for 6 and 7, im sure harry would have had someone else take that role. I can see your argument for ron being an O tier heroic character. He's borderline O at best for me.
8) saved Harry’s life when he was about to be strangled and drowned in the frozen pond while retrieving the sword 9) helped plan and execute the heist of the horcrux from Gringott’s 10) participated in the break in of the of the hall of prophecy that broke the prophecy (ensuring Voldemort could never hear the whole thing) and led to the arrest of a ton of death eaters and the public reveal of Voldemort’s return 11) was crucial in breaking out of the Malfoy’s basement just before Voldemort arrived (yes Dobby was the biggest factor there, but Ron had to help take down Peter and fight their way out against the other baddies) I’m sure we’re still missing a ton of things. But like, come on, there is no world in which Ron isn’t an O!!! Honestly, anyone who killed a horcrux needs to be an O anyway. They LITERALLY KILLED PART OF VOLDEMORT’S SOUL. How could they possibly contribute more than that?!?!? If Ron deserves O regardless of that and Neville at least E if not O as well, but with the Horcruxes included it is utterly insane to have them anywhere but the top.
@@takumi2023number 1 alone deserves an O. Hard to contribute more than literally killing a part of Voldemort’s soul. But even beyond that, Ron saved Harry’s life when he pulled him from the frozen pond in Deathly Hallows. No Harry, no win. Those two things by themselves arguably put him in the O tier, let alone the many many other things he did. Still fair to put him lower in O, though. Dumbledore, Hermione, Lilly, and obviously Harry all contributed more. But Ron is an O and there is no question.
I think that Ginny Weasley shouldn't be compared to Lilly Potter. She should actually be compared to James Potter and Harry should be compared to Lilly. Lilly is the person who defeats Voldemort the first time by sacrificing herself. Harry defeats Voldemort by sacrificing himself. Harry has a friendship with Luna separate to the group in a similar way the Lilly does with Snape. Lilly is Muggle born and Harry grew up in a Muggle family without knowing anything about the wizarding world. Both Ginny and James come from the sacred 28 families. They were both golden children of their families. The Weasleys wanted a girl for ages and James Potters parents were really old and didn't think they could have kids. James was spoilt and Ginny was too in comparison to her brother's. James was a star quidditch player and basked in the attention. Ginny was by far the best quidditch player, but didn't take Harry's limelight. James was nasty to Snape but Ginny protected Luna. I'm sure there are other things but these are what I can think of from the top of my head. There are some difficulties when looking at the friendship dynamic, but that might be what makes the difference to making Harry's group better and more successful than Lilly's. Harry is the main character and leader of the group. He made those around him better. Lilly also made those around her better, but because James was the leader it didn't have the same affect. I never comment on videos and you will probably never see this. But I thought it was interesting and was curious to know your thoughts. Love your videos
Ron saved Harry’s life at least once, and was pretty much a brother to Harry before Harry married his sister. He was also one of the 7 people to kill Voldemort (Harry twice, Hermione, Ron, Crabbe, Dumbledore and Voldemort himself)
Also, although his abandonment of Harry and Hermione is a negative, he changed his mind almost immediately. And if Hermione hadn’t hidden them so well, he would have come back right away. He also came back by saving Harry’s life and destroying a Horcrux. And he had information about the twins radio show, which gave them hope.
You remember how when Micheal Gambon died you did the life and loves of Albus Dumbledore do you think you could do a life and loves of Minerva McGonagall for Maggie Smith? What do you think? That is if you want to.
Something I disagree with is Ron. Saying he's less than Molly and Arthur, Hedwig and other people was outraging. Especially saying he's barely ahead of Neville
Right?!?!? The dude literally killed a horcrux!! And he personally saved Harry’s life on at least a couple of occasions (most notably the frozen pond when Harry was being strangled by the horcrux while trying to retrieve the sword). And he helped hunt down multiple horcruxes and participated in the planning and execution of the first ever successful theft from a Gringott’s vault which let them acquire a horcrux. Do we really need to say more than that??? Dumbledore, Hermione, Lilly, and Harry are the only ones that can be above Ron, and that’s it.
Dont forget dobby gets them all out of the Malfoys dungeons. Without him they wouldn't have got out at all. I do agree that Ron should be higher though.
The biggest way Snape contributed to Voldemort's downfall was telling him about the prophecy. That's the reason he goes after Harry, the biggest in the chain of mistakes that make him his own worst enemy.
Not to mention Snape's request to let Lily live is the reason she was given the choice of stepping aside instead of Voldemort straight killing her like he did for James. Without being able to choose, Lily can't apply the love magic and Voldemort isn't stopped the first time. Snape's request is literally what allowed Voldemort to be defeated. Snape should have been an O.
You did Moody dirty. He took over for the brief time after Dumbledore died and seemed to be the second in command within the order. Then his contributions during the first war alone would justify him as O for me. Imagine how much faster Voldemort would've been able to act after his return without all the death eaters being imprisoned which we're told is mainly Moodys responsibility. Yeah he isn't close to Harry so doesn't support him much but besides indirect effects through Harry he probably contributes the most to the war out of all characters excluding Dumbledore
Yes, but he does get beaten by Barty Crouch Jr which ends up being crucial to Voldemort's full return. I think that should knock him out of O at least.
@@emmavanlieshout9389okay, but then Harry also gets manipulated by Barty Crouch Jr., and Dumbledore Is outwitted by him too. Harry's mistakes lead to Wormtail escaping. These things also helped Voldemort, but, ultimately, the good side wins because of these people
Agreed, people forget Moody was the only person to really be able to lead the Order after Dumbledore died. Also he was the most important in the First war which I don't think is unimportant at all like you say. "Poor" is an horrendous take
Ron is an O for literally so many reasons but a huge one I didn’t really see is that without Ron, Harry would not have had the love and support of the Weasleys, which is critical to the entire story. The Weasleys were Harry’s family in the way no one else was and showed him what love of all kinds was - which had he not been friends with Ron he likely would not have. Also he makes other characters score better because of their association to Ron - like Fred& George would not have given Harry the map if he wasn’t Ron’s best friend. Every Weasley that contributed to defeating Voldemort in the present series did so under the pretence that Harry developed a relationship with them because of Ron. Harry may not even have become good friends with Hermione (who is absolutely an O too) if not for Ron and her’s enemies to lovers arc. Yeah he isn’t always there 100% but Ron in the canon story absolutely earns an O for what he actively contributed and on behalf of other characters
The most important thing about Ron is his ability to empower people. When things are most dark, Ron finds the light, makes a joke, and cheers everyone up so they can make it to beating Voldemort. That's the real reason Dumbledore gave Ron the Deluminator. The point of him being gone in the forest is to show just how much both Harry and Hermione need him. They did practically nothing without him there.
@@timothygodwin7575 the most usefulness of this, is to see where the sponsor is so that you can jump past it, to see when the actual ranking starts so you can jump directly to it, and to see a list of which characters they're ranking and when they rank them. Other than that, timestamping things is something people do, when the creators didn't do it. And if you don't think this really needs it, you can look at this as a joke on timestamp comments, some sort of parody/irony or whatever. Also, I just wanted to do it. I've done a few other timestampings just for fun, to have like a list of something that happens in the video.
@timothygodwin7575 I watch/listen to videos while I cook, and sometimes I miss things. When people have chapter titles, I can find where I "left off" so much easier. Sometimes after watching a video, I'm thinking about a specific part of the video. With chapter titles, I can go back and find it without having to search through the whole video. I utilize provided chapter titles regularly.
A point against Sirius and Lupin, they didnt tell anyone that the marauders were Animagi, which was how Wormtail ecsaped, and Wormtail was vital ro the rise of Voldemort
@@Matthew_Branagan I'm very curious as to the circumstances of Sirius' arrest. He clearly had no trial, but didn't even get a chance to talk to anyone and tell his story? Even if the aurors who arrested him didn't believe him, didn't they even reports his "crazy story" to anyone? Lupin would have known that it was at least possible.
@@carlrood4457 Well when he was arrested it was basically just straight into Azkaban. The aurors basically heard rumors of an explosion that killed a bunch of muggles and a wizard, they showed up and Sirius was there laughing. He didn’t get a trial and he didn’t really say anything cause he 100% blames himself for the death of Lily and James.
It really is. I could see downgrading him to E because he isn’t crazy pivotal in Prisoner and Goblet and he abandons them in Deathly Hallows. But even with that, he still GREATLY exceeds people like Neville, so you’d almost have to put him in that tier by himself.
@@jamesdrylie5584from Order of the Phoenix on Ron really carries more weight. Helped in the battle at the Ministry that exposed Voldemort’s return publicly, led to the arrest of tons of death eaters, and destroyed the prophecy ensuring Voldemort could never hear the whole thing. Then helped fight the death eaters when they came to kill Dumbledore. Then helped hunt down multiple horcruxes. Then helped plan and execute the first ever successfully robbery of Gringott’s that let them capture a horcrux. Then saved Harry’s life in the frozen pond. Then PERSONALLY KILLED A PIECE OF VOLDEMORT’S SOUL. Do we really need anything more than that to get O tier?????
Idk I kinda agree with an E he’s not really pivotal for the battle at the ministry in order and in deathly hollows he is just complaining about food and doesn’t really add anything just feels like he’s along for the ride
@@justinfarmer8371 Ron saved Harry’s life in Deathly Hallows when he pulled Harry from the frozen pond. That was also the turning point where Harry and Hermione were pretty down about things, and Ron actually became the encourager and the one with hope trying to keep the others going. He was also really important in fighting their way out of Malfoy manor. He also helped plan and execute the break in to the Ministry (he was the one with the most inside knowledge because his dad worked there). He also helped them land and execute the first ever successful robbery of Gringott’s. I could go on but I really don’t think I need to. Maybe you’re thinking about the movies over the books. But book Ron absolutely is an O before they castrated him in the movies.
I think he's quite a conformist... He analyzes what will bring him the most advantage and that's where he goes. Very Slytherin of him. He's not evil per se, but he feels a bit slimy.
@@haniapopowska8966 Slimy..... Dude that is just called self preservation and there isn't a human ever born that hasn't had that instinct within them. "Kill him or I kill you" is going to end up with you not dead 99.9% of the time. and the .1% do nothing but die needlessly. God forbid you ever live to need to make such choices.
Fred and George - The First to really connect with Harry, read that getting on the train for the first time chapter again, they support him constantly, Rescuing Harry from the Dursleys, they back him up all the time, when reading the books they pop up in supportive ways that is amazing. The second or third time I read the books I did so with the intention to just lookout for F & G, and its eye opening. E is suitable, but I think they verge on O
I think Snape is underrated in this List because without him, the sacrificial Love charm would have never been cast. Voldemort would have killed Lily either way if Snape had not asked to spare her.
@@Laura-pk2fdno but according to their criterium that shouldn’t matter. Even though they did not follow their criterium at all. They said based on how much they contributed to the battle to then put Snape lower because he also had a bad personality 😏
@kze24 I heavily doubt that. Harry had a very strong feelings against bullies from his experience with the Dursleys. It was very obvious when Harry met Malfoy for the first time in Diagon Alley. I'm literally talking about everyone else. Harry is famous and is very likeable. It wouldn't take that long for people to gravitate towards him.
“Would Harry be able to defeat Voldemort without Quidditch?” No. The last thing Harry does before sacrificing himself is hold the Snitch he won in his first Quidditch match. Which holds the Resurrection Stone which has his loved ones who lead him to Voldemort where he ultimately sacrifices his life to save the world. So…in a way no Harry would not be able to do that without McGonogall because she’s the one who first gave him Quidditch
You could argue Dumbledore would just have found another method of delivering the stone to Harry. I'd say Quidditch was vital to the key puzzle in the first book. Of course, again, it seems Dumbledore tailored the puzzles to the trio.
Granted wouldn’t have dumbledore just put the stone in a different contraption and rigged it to open, like he made the deluminator of his own invention. A better argument would be quidditch for his means of defeating the dragon in task one. But idk
But it was actually Malfoy who made Harry get on a broom and catch the remembrall so McGonogall could see him. But oh If Neville hadn't had his remembrall, Malfoy couldn't have stolen it. But then it was actually Neville's grandma that *gave* the remembrall to Neville that is credited with the downfall of Voldemort. But oh who invented the remembrall..? I mean this could go on... it's not a good argument imo
It bugs me every time you talk about Molly, talking about the platforms because to me it was so obvious that she was just testing Ginny to see if she remembered it’s a very motherly teaching thing
Yes!!! That is exactly what I thought when I reread the book as an adult, it reminded me of my mom who did the same thing, pretending she didn't know or didn't remember something to see if I'd answer right. It's just a good parenting tactic not just to test if your kid remembers important things but also to just make them feel smart or helpful to their parents. Validation.
Fair point! I’ve honestly never thought of it like that before, but now that you say it that makes ton of sense. I have three kids under 5 and I do that all the time with them lol.
Yeah like seriously. I constantly am asking my kids if they can find our truck in the parking lot, or if they know which way to go to get to the store, etc. like they both have kids how don’t they see that
I think regardless of what reason she said it I think it still fits into dumbledores plan because it’s coincidental that she says that right at the time that Harry is there trying to find the platform.
I would put Snape as an O. Specifically because the criteria is his contributions to the defeat of Voldemort. It doesn't matter in that context as much that he isn't a good person and that he may have selfish motives. He puts himself in arguably the most dangerous position in the war; being the double agent sitting alongside Voldemort. He fully convinces Voldemort that he is on that side and Voldemort believes him. He is able to hide details from Voldemort as one of the most skilled at occlumency in the world, something that nearly every other wizard/witch would NOT be able to do. He is willing to let the entire wizarding world believe he betrayed Dumbledore, not letting anyone know that he is literally the key and the ONLY person alive at the end that knows Harry is a horcrux. Voldemort does not get defeated without Snape; he is an O. Also need to give a point to Lupin for the spy work he did amongst more underground communities (the other werewolves.)
Also, I think Snape is the reason Lily was given the choice to step aside by Voldemort. Snape's love for her led him to ask for leniency on her. If she can't willingly sacrifice herself, Harry can't survive to defeat Voldemort. Snape helped Lily, who is an O, on top of everything else he did. He also enabled Dumbledore to survive the cursed ring long enough to teach Harry VITAL information about the Horcruxes. Snape's not a good guy, but he is an O.
I find it a bit funny that Hermione is so up in arms over house elves but never once concerns herself with the blatant animal cruelty that is transfiguration class lol. Those poor animals...
Argument for Sirius: if it wasn't for Sirius being in the picture and having access to 12 Grimmauld Place, they never would have learned who RAB was or found the locket.
@@michaelcorbalis9860 Counterpoint: Sirius actively offers up 12 Grimmauld Place to the Order (from which they learn about the locket). He also gives Harry all his possessions, which includes Kreacher. Both of these things are important to Harry. It is true that Sirus didn't actively lead them to the locket or have Kreacher help them. However, we have to ask: "does intent matter?". It's not like Lily Potter planned on the curse backfiring on Voldemort -- she acted the way she did out of love (almost reflexively) and probably couldn't have imagined it would lead to Voldemort's downfall. We can either give people credit for only the intended outcomes of their actions or wholistically view their actions / role. The way I see it, I ask "if I removed this person from Harry's quest and kept everything else the same, how much more likely would failure be?".
I firmly believe Luna should be in Exceeds Expectations. She helps Harry grieve Sirius. She pulls Harry out of a depression slump where he can’t stand to be around any of his living friends, and can’t even find help from his dead friend Sir Nicholas De Mimsy-Porpington. Luna helps Harry do something he’s never had to do before, arguably the hardest thing to do. She builds on his emotional framework.
One Sirius contribution that's easy to overlook. He gave Harry the mirror, which leads to Aberforth watching over the trio in DH, which ultimately leads to Dobby helping everyone escape Malfoy Manor. While this is certainly not how he intended the mirror to be used, if Sirius doesn't give Harry the mirror, the trio probably dies trying to escape Malfoy Manor.
Love you guys but i'd put Snape in the O tier. It was actually his love for Lily that saved Harry from Voldemort's attack since snape had asked for him to spare her, so sacrificing herself was even a choice for her to make. James sacrificed himself seconds erlier and triggered nothing, aswell as many more wizards and witches did before, but none triggered the sacrificial love spell. Therefore the twist in this case was Snape, the love conquering hate happened within him before everywherelse
In my opinion Neville deserves an O. He may not have been prominent in the first four books but even so, his loyalty to Harry never wavered. I love how he was the one standing with Harry in the ministry when the others were out of commission and how he pretty much singlehandedly kept the fight going against the Deatheaters, at Hogwarts. That his life mirrors Harry's in so many significant ways makes it incomprehensible to me as to why he was sidelined for so long. He's one of my favorite characters.
Another point in Fred and George's favor is the fact that they made the shield spell hats and cloaks for the ministry to help with fighting the death eaters. Calling them more public centric in the fight is perfect
Not making Snape an O is just, come on. Like yeah, he's a very grey character, but that's not the previously defined criteria. Snape is, outside of Harry and Dumbledore by far the most important character to the downfall of Voldemort. In like every book Snape is essential in the war against Voldemort. From saving Harry's life multiple times, to straight up arming the trio with a weapon that can destroy horcruxes. Not to forget all the background stuff, where Snape is immensely helpful as a spy amongst Voldemort's war. He is absolutely essential to the downfall of Voldemort, which should be an O, it doesn't matter how grey or black he is as a character, since that is irrelevant according to your own criteria.
Your placement of Cedric was based on what he theoretically would have done if he wasn't killed. He literally said hello to Voldermort and Wormtail and was dropped. Cedric did more as a Ghost/Spirit to help Harry escape. He definitely did less than Slughorn. At least Slughorn fought Voldermort at the battle of Hogwarts.
The moment Ron and Snape got put in the same category I couldn’t believe it 😂 like Harry, y’all be forgetting this man was literally a students WORST fear… he helped out a ton, but it was not heroic. It was creepy devotion to a dead crush.
Neville goes from having so much trouble and doesn’t do a whole lot in the beginning of the story then by the end of the series (and especially the last book) he just becomes like the most badass character. Out of nowhere too! 😂 He just comes out and becomes the most badass character
I think I remember eons ago, that JK originally killed off Neville in the first book, but the editors loved him and requested he be kept in. He’s one of my favorite characters!
@@jennifertwede7142 Same! He’s probably third or fourth after the twins, Luna and used to like Hermione more than Neville but I’ve kinda grown a new appreciation for him
The most crucial thing that really pushes Sirius up for me is in the forest when his spirit helps James, Lily and Remus to guide Harry to his "death". I'd put him at a high A, bordering closely on an E.
I’d put him at A but that moment is nothing more than the others provided I was honestly more interested in those not there and to see what they say s we already knew what Sirius would say hearing Snape and wormtail would have been more interesting and informative. Such as if wormtail was the worm he always was or if he had some pride in his last actions
Not all the way through yet but I cant but disagree with some of the logic. Snape is downgraded for his motives but Neville almost gets an O for the completely useless (albeit great) moment of standing up to Voldy at the end? Isnt the premise to rank them according to how useful they are in bringing down the dark lord? In that case, teaching Harry Expeliarmus, giving him the vital info at the end and generally being a double agent helping Dumbledore for the entire series should put Snape at O... I cant think of any character more vital than Snape aside from Dumby and Harry, possibly Hermione. Everything Snape does is to fight the dark lord and everything he attempts succeeds and is very important. What happens if Neville doesnt make his speech and stand against Voldemort? Maybe he doesnt get the sword and cant kill Nagini, okay... he's important, but not more than Snape.
And yet, they didn’t even put Ron in the O tier! How wild is that?? There are like a thousands reasons for him to be top tier and the Carlin brothers barely even mentioned any and just slapped him into E because…he was an angsty teen at a few points? Really?
Wish y’all would’ve factored in grimwald place for Sirius in the way that Harry inherited it and how much it helped them in the seventh book; they were able to acquire a horcrux bc of the shelter it provided while they planned a heist. Not to mention it gave them Kreacher who ended up being a pretty good character at the end.
I LOVE Luna to bits but honestly she should be a tier below Slughorn. Edit: I arrived at Hedwig in the video and had to add that this one aswell is ridiculous. You say yourselves that it's about how helpful they are in bringing down Voldemort but Hedwig (even though she means very much to Harry) doesn't help at all. Yes she is good for communication but there are two summers (book 2 and 5) where Harry doesn't really communicate with his friends and it is no setback for him. The ability to send letters to his friends is of no consequence when it comes to taking down Voldemort. And Slughorn in general should be much higher on the list. He doesn't do many things but the most important thing he does is holding onto the real memory of what Voldemort asked him and then willingly giving it to Harry, not because he was drunk or bewitched but because Harry convinced him to do the right thing and he chose to do so. Dumbledore said about the faked memory that it was the most important one out of all of them. So this single thing alone should put Slughorn in A-Tier. This memory was NEEDED to bring down Voldemort.
The Ron take is wrong, saves harry from the frozen lake, memorizes parcel tongue and opens the chamber to get the fangs, taught Harry about the magical world, saved harry from a dragon, along with the friendship stuff, broke him out of his room and got him to hogwarts in a flying car, destroys a horcrux, saves Harry and Hermione from a Troll.
Technically, by switching secret keeper to Peter Sirius contributed a lot to Voldemort's first downfall. So did Snape by telling Voldie about the prophecy.
I could have maybe understood the argument for Rob in E, but definitely not after putting his parents in O. The main argument for Arthur and Molly is the support and intangibles they provide for Harry and others, and even with his flaws, there is no way they provided more than Ron to Harry!
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About Moody - I think he deserves credit for some of what Crouch Jr does as Crouch is forced to act as a conduit for ideas that are really from Moody. The phrase "constant vigilance" comes to mind where even if they never met the real Moody I would consider that phrase as something Moody taught them. His general teaching of paranoia also helps Harry avoid drinking Umbridge's veritaserum laced tea and probably some other things I can't pull off the top of my head.
Neville longbottom should have gotten an O for outstanding because if he didn't kill the negini the snake, Voldemort still would have been immortal!!!!
Harry dies in some random lake in a forest without Ron. While a lot of people end up ahead of him, I would argue almost NONE of them can say they have done that much. Let alone everything else Ron had done, someone else named off 11 big things in a different comment.
Haven't been through all the comments yet, but McGonagall also informed Harry that she would personally see to it he became an auror when Umbridge suggested he would never qualify. Definitely Goddess level. Yes, that was in the books and did not make it into the movie, I think "Have a biscuit" was the nod to that situation.
Day 2 of asking you to Please do a “What if Snape heard the full prophecy” and/or “What if the first Wizarding War never happened”! (As if Voldy rose to power for the first time when Harry is 11.
@@dylantd9189 he may have wanted the sword of Gryffindor to make his last horcrux and decides not to begin his reign until he has the “strongest” version of his soul - It’s up to them how they make it.
@@doomdog2111 but if that were the case, why would he wait until Harry is at Hogwarts. That's like 50 years between the first and theoretical "last" Horcrux. What you're asking for is not really a "What If" but "Whole new story".
If you eliminate all references to “Moody” when he was really Barty Crouch, would you even have enough references for him to make the list? And if you do, and rank him based ONLY on on Moody as Moody and not Barty as Moody, where would you come down?
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ok are we talking Book Ron or Movie Ron? Those are 2 totally different grades. Book Ron is an O. He's Harry's right hand man. Movies did Ron dirty so Movie Ron gets an A at best.
I'd love to see a what if for what if Cedric didn't die, maybe "Moody" catches him in the maze like he does Victor and Fleur, or Voldemort wants him alive so he can tell the tale of Harry's defeat and spread fear.
I think Voldemort deserves to be on the list too. His arrogance and ignorance to love and that kind of magic was a major reason Harry could defeat The-One-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Also how can we forget it was his spell that killed You-Know-Who not once but TWICE! (Also to destroy a Horcrux)
It could be argued that Snape NEEDS to be abusive as a teacher at least you some degree because there so so many students who are the children of death eaters and he needs to ensure that his fellow death eaters see him in a certain light so that he can remain in good standing with them. If he treated all the non-Slytherin students well, espescially muggle-borns and the children of people who actively fought against Voldemort like Neville and Harry, it would cast doubt on his loyalties. It's also imperative that Harry never see him as a good person IMO. Dumbledore likely knows or at least suspects that Harry being a horcrux will cause a connection between Harry and Voldemort, and he never seems to be too harsh with Snape over his blatant dislike of Harry. I think perhaps Dumbledore knows that Snape's public image needs to be a certain way and overlooks it for the sake of the mission.
That's an interesting perspective I didn't consider. It is weird how Dumbledore never stepped in to scold Snape over his mistreatment of students, so it being allowed to keep Snape's role as a double spy and his reputation intact for that purpose makes a lot of sense.
Yeah it makes sense. Snape really enjoys being abusive though, he doesn't have to fake that, it just happens to be useful in his role. Still I think he should be in O tier for all his enormous contributions for Voldemort's downfall.
I am both surprised as well as pleased that Sirius is placed where he is. Admittedly I do not see him as my fan favorite, and I won't stick up for him on a daily basis, but it's surprising that others can objectively share the views that I've been trying to explain to friends. Though I will say, he was there for Harry at a very instrumental time, while he was completely traumatized by the death of Cedric, and he will always get bonus points for that.
Im defense of Snape - while telling Dumbledore the info he already new about the Potters did nothing, Snape's pleading with Voldemort to spare Lily put her in position to give her life willingly for Harry, thus enabling Sacrificial Protection
ok. I LOVE Hermione and I will also not hear anything to put her out of her well-deserved O, but, I do think there was a more nuanced point about SPEW. Yes, she was correct about the house elves needing help but the way she went about it was completely misguided. Tricking them into getting "liberated" when they actively did not want this is infantilizing in its own way. She did not stop to listen what the house elves were saying - she had her own viewpoint and would not budge from it. I think we see this in other situations like her dynamic with Luna. I understand she was very young and she actually cared which is huge considering literally nobody else did.
I expected Severus to be put much lower, I am pleasantly surprised. I do see Ben's perspective that it's all for Lily at the start, and I agree, but I do believe it becomes more than that by the end of it as despite Harry being Lily's son and believing he needs to die, Severus still goes on with Dumbledore's plan. He also does have that line, "Only those of whom I could not save." He says this to Dumbledore, and it goes beyond Lily. There is no reason for Severus to save anyone other than Harry if it were truly for Lily and Lily alone.
My only real difference is I'd bump Ron up to the bottom of O, and Dobby to the Top of E, and maybe flip around Neville and Lupin. (which neither would change a tier from this, so in the end, doesn't really matter who is Higher within E)
I think Draco would have an entirely different personality then. Harry in Slytherin makes sense, so does Ron being in Hufflepuff, but Draco's whole thing is self-preservation, status image and he is only "brave" when he gains something out of it. He IS the stereotypical Slytherin.
@@linexi He’s only the stereotypical Slytherin child. If you really think about it, he’s not really interested in anything like self preservation or cunningness. The sorting hat doesn’t differentiate between good and bad. What I would think would happen is that Draco would grow up being inspired by his father’s “bravery” in fighting for Voldemort, which would inspire him to also be “brave”, landing him in Gryffindor. Otherwise, Draco really doesn’t have any other traits that align him with any of the houses. He’s only put into Slytherin because of heritage.
I think they talked a little about this on through the griffin door. I don't remember much about what they said on the topic but I believe I remember them coming up with the reason he ends up in gryffindor, I think they said that he recognized harry wasn't going into slytherin so he asked the hat to put him in gryffindor as a way to try and be a man on the inside.
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Hearing your conversation around Neville made me think of a new what if...What if Harry really died in deathly hallows...could Neville end Voldemort too? He is the other chosen one. I think for this scenerio to play out Voldemort has to take someone elses blood the come back...but what do you think?
Ok, I have another one. 😅 what if Lucius goes to prison after the first war like Bellatrix. I think that would have a HUGE inpackt on Draco and might change a lot of the story.
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Bonus points to McGonagall for the most shocking line in the series. You think since she's a stickler for the rules she's gonna tell Harry off for speaking out to Umbridge. Instead we get "Have a biscuit Potter"
"It's unscrews the other way" was my favourite shocking line
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It is most probably just a movie Line, but "I always wanted to cast that spell" is the best Line of her.
@@crayyonnyadrav4055 ya "I've always wanted to use that spell" is only in the movie. the movies do have a few moments that are better than the books
@@cobaltsable1800 yes! Or when she shaded Umbridge to her face with "Harry's marks have been top of DADA class whenever he's had a competent teacher" lol
I would argue that the thing McGonagall teaches Harry most is humility and fairness - he sees Snape being blatantly biased in favor of Slytherin and always playing favorites, but McGonagall straight up says "no, I won't be lenient towards you just because you're Harry Potter and in my house". The other thing this does is, in my opinion, show Harry that sometimes you absolutely have to break the rules to do what is right - and when does he first really learn that? When he gets house points for saving Hermione from the troll.
I disagree with everything here in regards to the tier list. Harry and Ron went to save Hermione due to guilt and being 1st years i doubt theyve learned or was influenced enough by McGonagall to make that concious choice. while i do think McGonagall teaches Harry fairness and humility, it doesn't contribute to the downfall of voldemort. Your argument is more for the best/ most good character type of list.
I would argue McGonagall teaches him that she is useless as a role model. She turns him away several times. She actually goes easy as well on offenders not of her house. She also ignores all the bullying of Harry from the house.
@@takumi2023to be fair I don’t think they were saying McGonagall influenced Harry and Ron to go save Hermione from the troll, but more that her awarding them points afterwards is the first time Harry gets approval from a wiser and older person about the value in breaking the rules to do the right thing
@@samsherwood8332 that part where she awards them for breaking the rules is debatable. I do agree they are rewarded for rule bending. I dont think they were breaking the rule necessarily. My take on that scene is that theyre notifying a classmate regarding a danger in the castle. Prior to that was dinner in the great hall, so it was still before curfew. So technically, they were going back to the common room, just took a slight detour.
I’d also add that McGonagall was the first person we met who really was trying to look out for Harry- she scoped out the Dursleys, saw they were awful, and begged Dumbledore not to leave him with them. She knew he’d have an awful life with them and wanted better for him. She wanted him to feel loved as he’d lost the two people who had always provided him with it. Goddess Level was the perfect spot, the Carlin Bros should have left her there.
For Fred and George, I also wanna mention their shield hats, cloaks, and whatnot. Even the ministry of magic saw a need for them. Personally I would put the Twins at an O because they were not only focused on bolstering morale but also providing practical tools. Decoy Detonators, Darkness Powder, Shield Garments, etc. I think Weasley's Wizard Wheezes is the best shop in the entire Wizarding World.
Plus they entirely jumped into the war with both feet, ready to die for what they believe in.
Potterwatch alone should put them in an O. After the Ministry fell, these two who just left school create a underground radio news channel to help coordinate and give heart to those standing against Voldemort.
Yep, and the Brothers did mention the importance of facilitating communication when discussing Hedwig. @@m1tthrawnuru0d06
They also gave Harry the map. The map that is PIVOTAL more than once in OOTP and HBP.
I totally agree and they should have brought up all their defensive shop.
And indeed, just Potter watch alone.
Another point for Molly and Arthur is that first year Christmas. They hadn't even met Harry yet and sent hiim the same present as their sons.
Especially if you go with Dumbledore plan theory, the trip to see Charley in Romania was all about having Ron stay at Hogwarts to keep Harry from being alone.
Harry's sense of belonging is vital to the entire downfall of Voldemort. He needed people he'd be willing to die for.
The biggest point I'd give Arthur and Moly is they raised the Weasley clan. Without them, no Ron, no Fred, no George, no Marauders Map, no Ginny.
Well Molly did meet him at King's Cross station but yes very true.
They also were his family visitors during the final task when he was expecting that nobody would show
I’d love to see these guys rank their favourite/ top 20 HP characters through all of HP. They’ve ranked the movies and they’ve ranked the books, but I don’t recall them ever just ranking their favourite characters, and sharing with us why they would rank them where they do.
love this idea
I feel like it should either be two videos and the first one be favorite book characters and the second be favorite movie, or one video with 10 movie and 10 book
I can't remember how it goes down in the books but without Ron, isn't Harry dead in the water, drowned by a horcrux? Didn't Ron physically pull him from the water?
Seems pretty Outstanding to me.
Yes! He literally saved Harry’s life. Also, Ron killed a horcrux. Anybody who personally killed part of Voldemort’s soul deserves O status. And that’s besides all of the many many contributions of Ron that the Carlin bros didn’t even mention.
"Why didn't you take this thing off before you dived?!" Ron screaming that at Harry after he saved him is still one of my favorite lines. He also fought off possession from Voldemort and took back control to stab the locket. Let's also remember, Ron thought of the basilisk, took Hermione to the Chamber of Secrets, remembered the 2 times Harry said open in snake language, mimicked it well enough to open the Chamber, which gave Hermione a chance finish the cup once and for all. So he indirectly helped kill a second hortcrux, too. He deserves to be on the same level as Hermione. That's all.
Personally I'd credit Ron for being Harry's window into the Wizarding world. He and his family was the perfect adoptive family to take him under their wing and show him the ins and outs of the world Harry could have so easily been manipulated by. Ron, of course, being the most important of the lot where Harry is concerned. But as for direct impact of the indisputable sort -- the rescue from drowning sticks out in my mind as the most crucial thing Ron had done in the story. Had Ron died in one of the previous books and it all played out exactly as it did, Harry is dead and Voldemort wins.
Anybody who destroys a part of Voldemort's soul deserves O status? Even Voldemort?
@@bryce5631Yeah, but he gets it with like a golf clap and a heavy dose of sarcasm.
Outstanding work, Tom, you sure did a great job of helping Harry defeat Voldemort.
My thought about Snape is that imo his job is the hardest within the good guys. He has to be extremely smart, clever, actorish, controlled, great in oclumence and generally a great wizard to manage Voldemort in 5-7 HP parts and triple agencing all the time
RON IS AN O
While he can succumb to jealosy (as we all can) he a TEENAGER he was only 14 in GOF so of course he can act like a prat. Dumbledore gave him the Deluminator because he knew Ron would always come back to the TRIO
1) He took out one of the Horcruxes
2) Figured out the basilisk fang could be use to take out another Horcrux
3) Left school to help Harry hunt Horcruxes
4) He beat the chess game in book 1
5) His Friwndship and loyalty to Harry is the one of the fundamental things that keeps Harry grounded
6) He was willing to give his life for Harry in book 3 when he thought Sirius was after Harry
7) In the books he is the pewrson that teaches Harry about the Wizarding World
I think all of that outways some of his petissies that he eventually get over
Couldn't agree more!
We're ranking based on contribution to the downfall of voldemort. I agree with 1-5 but i argue that 6 and 7 arent contributing factors. If ron wasnt there for 6 and 7, im sure harry would have had someone else take that role. I can see your argument for ron being an O tier heroic character. He's borderline O at best for me.
8) saved Harry’s life when he was about to be strangled and drowned in the frozen pond while retrieving the sword
9) helped plan and execute the heist of the horcrux from Gringott’s
10) participated in the break in of the of the hall of prophecy that broke the prophecy (ensuring Voldemort could never hear the whole thing) and led to the arrest of a ton of death eaters and the public reveal of Voldemort’s return
11) was crucial in breaking out of the Malfoy’s basement just before Voldemort arrived (yes Dobby was the biggest factor there, but Ron had to help take down Peter and fight their way out against the other baddies)
I’m sure we’re still missing a ton of things. But like, come on, there is no world in which Ron isn’t an O!!!
Honestly, anyone who killed a horcrux needs to be an O anyway. They LITERALLY KILLED PART OF VOLDEMORT’S SOUL. How could they possibly contribute more than that?!?!? If Ron deserves O regardless of that and Neville at least E if not O as well, but with the Horcruxes included it is utterly insane to have them anywhere but the top.
@@takumi2023number 1 alone deserves an O. Hard to contribute more than literally killing a part of Voldemort’s soul. But even beyond that, Ron saved Harry’s life when he pulled him from the frozen pond in Deathly Hallows. No Harry, no win. Those two things by themselves arguably put him in the O tier, let alone the many many other things he did.
Still fair to put him lower in O, though. Dumbledore, Hermione, Lilly, and obviously Harry all contributed more. But Ron is an O and there is no question.
@@NotAnotherDouc- completely agree
I think that Ginny Weasley shouldn't be compared to Lilly Potter. She should actually be compared to James Potter and Harry should be compared to Lilly.
Lilly is the person who defeats Voldemort the first time by sacrificing herself. Harry defeats Voldemort by sacrificing himself.
Harry has a friendship with Luna separate to the group in a similar way the Lilly does with Snape.
Lilly is Muggle born and Harry grew up in a Muggle family without knowing anything about the wizarding world.
Both Ginny and James come from the sacred 28 families. They were both golden children of their families. The Weasleys wanted a girl for ages and James Potters parents were really old and didn't think they could have kids. James was spoilt and Ginny was too in comparison to her brother's.
James was a star quidditch player and basked in the attention. Ginny was by far the best quidditch player, but didn't take Harry's limelight.
James was nasty to Snape but Ginny protected Luna.
I'm sure there are other things but these are what I can think of from the top of my head.
There are some difficulties when looking at the friendship dynamic, but that might be what makes the difference to making Harry's group better and more successful than Lilly's.
Harry is the main character and leader of the group. He made those around him better. Lilly also made those around her better, but because James was the leader it didn't have the same affect.
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Brilliant. I'm on board.
Spot on take
I like this.
meh harry is james n hermione is harrys mom
Ron didn't just give friendship. He shared his family
Went to the comments looking for this point!
Ron is soooo O it's not even funny. Molly and Arthur being O and Ron being an E is even harder to digest
Ron saved Harry’s life at least once, and was pretty much a brother to Harry before Harry married his sister. He was also one of the 7 people to kill Voldemort (Harry twice, Hermione, Ron, Crabbe, Dumbledore and Voldemort himself)
Ron also destroyed one of the horcruxes and was able to fake parseltongue to do it. Definitely an O.
Also, although his abandonment of Harry and Hermione is a negative, he changed his mind almost immediately. And if Hermione hadn’t hidden them so well, he would have come back right away. He also came back by saving Harry’s life and destroying a Horcrux. And he had information about the twins radio show, which gave them hope.
You remember how when Micheal Gambon died you did the life and loves of Albus Dumbledore do you think you could do a life and loves of Minerva McGonagall for Maggie Smith? What do you think? That is if you want to.
I feel like these pre-recorded since they are traveling. Hopefully she will get honored soon.
@@candycemonroe7345they did already seem to know that Maggie Smith died when filming this video though?
Something I disagree with is Ron. Saying he's less than Molly and Arthur, Hedwig and other people was outraging. Especially saying he's barely ahead of Neville
Ron Weasley getting Exceeds Expectations is below expectations.
No shot Ron is lower than Dobby, Molly, Arthur, or Hedwig. And saying that Ron is barely ahead of Neville is crazy
If they only look at Movie Ron I can see there point. Book Ron is much more vital to everything
Right?!?!? The dude literally killed a horcrux!! And he personally saved Harry’s life on at least a couple of occasions (most notably the frozen pond when Harry was being strangled by the horcrux while trying to retrieve the sword). And he helped hunt down multiple horcruxes and participated in the planning and execution of the first ever successful theft from a Gringott’s vault which let them acquire a horcrux. Do we really need to say more than that??? Dumbledore, Hermione, Lilly, and Harry are the only ones that can be above Ron, and that’s it.
@@NotAnotherDouc- "Right?!?!? The dude literally killed a horcrux!!" So did Neville. I'd argue for this alone both should be in the first tier.
They created this artificial controversy to boost comments, obviously. Big L.
Dont forget dobby gets them all out of the Malfoys dungeons. Without him they wouldn't have got out at all. I do agree that Ron should be higher though.
The biggest way Snape contributed to Voldemort's downfall was telling him about the prophecy. That's the reason he goes after Harry, the biggest in the chain of mistakes that make him his own worst enemy.
Not to mention Snape's request to let Lily live is the reason she was given the choice of stepping aside instead of Voldemort straight killing her like he did for James. Without being able to choose, Lily can't apply the love magic and Voldemort isn't stopped the first time. Snape's request is literally what allowed Voldemort to be defeated. Snape should have been an O.
He hardly did it for the right reasons, it was only because it impacted him directly
You did Moody dirty. He took over for the brief time after Dumbledore died and seemed to be the second in command within the order. Then his contributions during the first war alone would justify him as O for me. Imagine how much faster Voldemort would've been able to act after his return without all the death eaters being imprisoned which we're told is mainly Moodys responsibility. Yeah he isn't close to Harry so doesn't support him much but besides indirect effects through Harry he probably contributes the most to the war out of all characters excluding Dumbledore
Yes, but he does get beaten by Barty Crouch Jr which ends up being crucial to Voldemort's full return. I think that should knock him out of O at least.
He also was the personal mentor/Trainer to Tonks, who was also one of the more prevalent members of the order
@@emmavanlieshout9389okay, but then Harry also gets manipulated by Barty Crouch Jr., and Dumbledore Is outwitted by him too. Harry's mistakes lead to Wormtail escaping. These things also helped Voldemort, but, ultimately, the good side wins because of these people
Agreed, people forget Moody was the only person to really be able to lead the Order after Dumbledore died. Also he was the most important in the First war which I don't think is unimportant at all like you say. "Poor" is an horrendous take
100% also didn't her organise the flight of the seven potters?
Ron is an O for literally so many reasons but a huge one I didn’t really see is that without Ron, Harry would not have had the love and support of the Weasleys, which is critical to the entire story. The Weasleys were Harry’s family in the way no one else was and showed him what love of all kinds was - which had he not been friends with Ron he likely would not have. Also he makes other characters score better because of their association to Ron - like Fred& George would not have given Harry the map if he wasn’t Ron’s best friend. Every Weasley that contributed to defeating Voldemort in the present series did so under the pretence that Harry developed a relationship with them because of Ron.
Harry may not even have become good friends with Hermione (who is absolutely an O too) if not for Ron and her’s enemies to lovers arc. Yeah he isn’t always there 100% but Ron in the canon story absolutely earns an O for what he actively contributed and on behalf of other characters
Ron is an O and it’s shocking that wasn’t a given.
The most important thing about Ron is his ability to empower people. When things are most dark, Ron finds the light, makes a joke, and cheers everyone up so they can make it to beating Voldemort. That's the real reason Dumbledore gave Ron the Deluminator. The point of him being gone in the forest is to show just how much both Harry and Hermione need him. They did practically nothing without him there.
We will use the books here. Agreed. Movie clips for visuals of course. The books did not do many of the Weasleys (especially Ron and Ginny) justice
Ron first get disrespected in the movies and now Super Carlin’s tier lists
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This should be pinned. I appreciate you!
@@SwimmerChick1821 thank you very much, and you're welcome!
Why? I don’t understand the usefulness of this comment?
@@timothygodwin7575 the most usefulness of this, is to see where the sponsor is so that you can jump past it, to see when the actual ranking starts so you can jump directly to it, and to see a list of which characters they're ranking and when they rank them.
Other than that, timestamping things is something people do, when the creators didn't do it. And if you don't think this really needs it, you can look at this as a joke on timestamp comments, some sort of parody/irony or whatever.
Also, I just wanted to do it. I've done a few other timestampings just for fun, to have like a list of something that happens in the video.
@timothygodwin7575 I watch/listen to videos while I cook, and sometimes I miss things. When people have chapter titles, I can find where I "left off" so much easier. Sometimes after watching a video, I'm thinking about a specific part of the video. With chapter titles, I can go back and find it without having to search through the whole video. I utilize provided chapter titles regularly.
A point against Sirius and Lupin, they didnt tell anyone that the marauders were Animagi, which was how Wormtail ecsaped, and Wormtail was vital ro the rise of Voldemort
And depending on when they did/ who they told it could put them both straight into Azkaban.
@@Matthew_Branagan I'm very curious as to the circumstances of Sirius' arrest. He clearly had no trial, but didn't even get a chance to talk to anyone and tell his story? Even if the aurors who arrested him didn't believe him, didn't they even reports his "crazy story" to anyone? Lupin would have known that it was at least possible.
@@carlrood4457 Well when he was arrested it was basically just straight into Azkaban. The aurors basically heard rumors of an explosion that killed a bunch of muggles and a wizard, they showed up and Sirius was there laughing. He didn’t get a trial and he didn’t really say anything cause he 100% blames himself for the death of Lily and James.
McGonagall doesn't "defeat" Snape in the duel - he doesn't fight back.
Thought the same, minerva "won" because Snape made it so. id put ron and snape at O, i agree on arthur and molly at O but only in tandem
Ron not being in O is downright criminal.
It really is. I could see downgrading him to E because he isn’t crazy pivotal in Prisoner and Goblet and he abandons them in Deathly Hallows. But even with that, he still GREATLY exceeds people like Neville, so you’d almost have to put him in that tier by himself.
@@jamesdrylie5584from Order of the Phoenix on Ron really carries more weight.
Helped in the battle at the Ministry that exposed Voldemort’s return publicly, led to the arrest of tons of death eaters, and destroyed the prophecy ensuring Voldemort could never hear the whole thing. Then helped fight the death eaters when they came to kill Dumbledore. Then helped hunt down multiple horcruxes. Then helped plan and execute the first ever successfully robbery of Gringott’s that let them capture a horcrux. Then saved Harry’s life in the frozen pond. Then PERSONALLY KILLED A PIECE OF VOLDEMORT’S SOUL. Do we really need anything more than that to get O tier?????
Idk I kinda agree with an E he’s not really pivotal for the battle at the ministry in order and in deathly hollows he is just complaining about food and doesn’t really add anything just feels like he’s along for the ride
@@justinfarmer8371 Well, you always got to consider that Movie Hermione gets some Book Ron lines and ideas.
@@justinfarmer8371 Ron saved Harry’s life in Deathly Hallows when he pulled Harry from the frozen pond. That was also the turning point where Harry and Hermione were pretty down about things, and Ron actually became the encourager and the one with hope trying to keep the others going. He was also really important in fighting their way out of Malfoy manor. He also helped plan and execute the break in to the Ministry (he was the one with the most inside knowledge because his dad worked there). He also helped them land and execute the first ever successful robbery of Gringott’s. I could go on but I really don’t think I need to.
Maybe you’re thinking about the movies over the books. But book Ron absolutely is an O before they castrated him in the movies.
As far as I'm concerned you duel Voldemort, you get atleast an E, Horace Slughorn is being underrated
I think he's quite a conformist... He analyzes what will bring him the most advantage and that's where he goes. Very Slytherin of him. He's not evil per se, but he feels a bit slimy.
@@haniapopowska8966 Slimy..... Dude that is just called self preservation and there isn't a human ever born that hasn't had that instinct within them. "Kill him or I kill you" is going to end up with you not dead 99.9% of the time. and the .1% do nothing but die needlessly. God forbid you ever live to need to make such choices.
@@haniapopowska8966is he a conformist fighting against Voldemort?
@@tfahad2051 Yes. Most people around him were 😛
“He’s the Chosen O!” 😂 That was so incredibly hilarious
Fred and George - The First to really connect with Harry, read that getting on the train for the first time chapter again, they support him constantly, Rescuing Harry from the Dursleys, they back him up all the time, when reading the books they pop up in supportive ways that is amazing. The second or third time I read the books I did so with the intention to just lookout for F & G, and its eye opening. E is suitable, but I think they verge on O
I think Snape is underrated in this List because without him, the sacrificial Love charm would have never been cast. Voldemort would have killed Lily either way if Snape had not asked to spare her.
This is a good point, it wasn't intentional but!
@@Laura-pk2fdno but according to their criterium that shouldn’t matter. Even though they did not follow their criterium at all. They said based on how much they contributed to the battle to then put Snape lower because he also had a bad personality 😏
I would much prefer a ranking on how well each character is written, but who are we kidding, I'll watch everything you guys do about Harry Potter.
I don't think Harry would have survived his first year (socially or even academically) without Ron.
He physically would not have survived the chess match possibly
If ron hadn't befriended him someone else would have.
@@kielsonelnikos8589 Probably Malfoy
@kze24 I heavily doubt that. Harry had a very strong feelings against bullies from his experience with the Dursleys. It was very obvious when Harry met Malfoy for the first time in Diagon Alley. I'm literally talking about everyone else. Harry is famous and is very likeable. It wouldn't take that long for people to gravitate towards him.
“Would Harry be able to defeat Voldemort without Quidditch?” No. The last thing Harry does before sacrificing himself is hold the Snitch he won in his first Quidditch match. Which holds the Resurrection Stone which has his loved ones who lead him to Voldemort where he ultimately sacrifices his life to save the world. So…in a way no Harry would not be able to do that without McGonogall because she’s the one who first gave him Quidditch
You could argue Dumbledore would just have found another method of delivering the stone to Harry. I'd say Quidditch was vital to the key puzzle in the first book. Of course, again, it seems Dumbledore tailored the puzzles to the trio.
Granted wouldn’t have dumbledore just put the stone in a different contraption and rigged it to open, like he made the deluminator of his own invention. A better argument would be quidditch for his means of defeating the dragon in task one. But idk
But it was actually Malfoy who made Harry get on a broom and catch the remembrall so McGonogall could see him. But oh If Neville hadn't had his remembrall, Malfoy couldn't have stolen it. But then it was actually Neville's grandma that *gave* the remembrall to Neville that is credited with the downfall of Voldemort. But oh who invented the remembrall..? I mean this could go on... it's not a good argument imo
It bugs me every time you talk about Molly, talking about the platforms because to me it was so obvious that she was just testing Ginny to see if she remembered it’s a very motherly teaching thing
Yes!!! That is exactly what I thought when I reread the book as an adult, it reminded me of my mom who did the same thing, pretending she didn't know or didn't remember something to see if I'd answer right. It's just a good parenting tactic not just to test if your kid remembers important things but also to just make them feel smart or helpful to their parents. Validation.
That's how I always interpreted it, but it's cooler if it's part of Dumbledore's big plan
Fair point! I’ve honestly never thought of it like that before, but now that you say it that makes ton of sense. I have three kids under 5 and I do that all the time with them lol.
Yeah like seriously. I constantly am asking my kids if they can find our truck in the parking lot, or if they know which way to go to get to the store, etc. like they both have kids how don’t they see that
I think regardless of what reason she said it I think it still fits into dumbledores plan because it’s coincidental that she says that right at the time that Harry is there trying to find the platform.
I would put Snape as an O. Specifically because the criteria is his contributions to the defeat of Voldemort. It doesn't matter in that context as much that he isn't a good person and that he may have selfish motives. He puts himself in arguably the most dangerous position in the war; being the double agent sitting alongside Voldemort. He fully convinces Voldemort that he is on that side and Voldemort believes him. He is able to hide details from Voldemort as one of the most skilled at occlumency in the world, something that nearly every other wizard/witch would NOT be able to do. He is willing to let the entire wizarding world believe he betrayed Dumbledore, not letting anyone know that he is literally the key and the ONLY person alive at the end that knows Harry is a horcrux. Voldemort does not get defeated without Snape; he is an O.
Also need to give a point to Lupin for the spy work he did amongst more underground communities (the other werewolves.)
Also, I think Snape is the reason Lily was given the choice to step aside by Voldemort. Snape's love for her led him to ask for leniency on her. If she can't willingly sacrifice herself, Harry can't survive to defeat Voldemort. Snape helped Lily, who is an O, on top of everything else he did. He also enabled Dumbledore to survive the cursed ring long enough to teach Harry VITAL information about the Horcruxes. Snape's not a good guy, but he is an O.
I find it a bit funny that Hermione is so up in arms over house elves but never once concerns herself with the blatant animal cruelty that is transfiguration class lol. Those poor animals...
I always assumed that the animals didn't care about being transformed. It's really quite strange how it all works.
I always assumed they got turned back afterwards and where unaware of the time they were tranfiguered. I hope that's the case...
Argument for Sirius: if it wasn't for Sirius being in the picture and having access to 12 Grimmauld Place, they never would have learned who RAB was or found the locket.
That’s less of a thing Sirius does and more of a passive connection he has though.
@@michaelcorbalis9860 Counterpoint: Sirius actively offers up 12 Grimmauld Place to the Order (from which they learn about the locket). He also gives Harry all his possessions, which includes Kreacher. Both of these things are important to Harry.
It is true that Sirus didn't actively lead them to the locket or have Kreacher help them. However, we have to ask: "does intent matter?". It's not like Lily Potter planned on the curse backfiring on Voldemort -- she acted the way she did out of love (almost reflexively) and probably couldn't have imagined it would lead to Voldemort's downfall.
We can either give people credit for only the intended outcomes of their actions or wholistically view their actions / role.
The way I see it, I ask "if I removed this person from Harry's quest and kept everything else the same, how much more likely would failure be?".
My head cannon is Dumbledore only hired Trelawney because she found him good w33d
I firmly believe Luna should be in Exceeds Expectations. She helps Harry grieve Sirius. She pulls Harry out of a depression slump where he can’t stand to be around any of his living friends, and can’t even find help from his dead friend Sir Nicholas De Mimsy-Porpington. Luna helps Harry do something he’s never had to do before, arguably the hardest thing to do. She builds on his emotional framework.
One Sirius contribution that's easy to overlook. He gave Harry the mirror, which leads to Aberforth watching over the trio in DH, which ultimately leads to Dobby helping everyone escape Malfoy Manor.
While this is certainly not how he intended the mirror to be used, if Sirius doesn't give Harry the mirror, the trio probably dies trying to escape Malfoy Manor.
This is the comment I was looking for lol
Love you guys but i'd put Snape in the O tier. It was actually his love for Lily that saved Harry from Voldemort's attack since snape had asked for him to spare her, so sacrificing herself was even a choice for her to make. James sacrificed himself seconds erlier and triggered nothing, aswell as many more wizards and witches did before, but none triggered the sacrificial love spell. Therefore the twist in this case was Snape, the love conquering hate happened within him before everywherelse
In my opinion Neville deserves an O. He may not have been prominent in the first four books but even so, his loyalty to Harry never wavered. I love how he was the one standing with Harry in the ministry when the others were out of commission and how he pretty much singlehandedly kept the fight going against the Deatheaters, at Hogwarts. That his life mirrors Harry's in so many significant ways makes it incomprehensible to me as to why he was sidelined for so long. He's one of my favorite characters.
Another point in Fred and George's favor is the fact that they made the shield spell hats and cloaks for the ministry to help with fighting the death eaters. Calling them more public centric in the fight is perfect
Not making Snape an O is just, come on. Like yeah, he's a very grey character, but that's not the previously defined criteria. Snape is, outside of Harry and Dumbledore by far the most important character to the downfall of Voldemort. In like every book Snape is essential in the war against Voldemort. From saving Harry's life multiple times, to straight up arming the trio with a weapon that can destroy horcruxes. Not to forget all the background stuff, where Snape is immensely helpful as a spy amongst Voldemort's war. He is absolutely essential to the downfall of Voldemort, which should be an O, it doesn't matter how grey or black he is as a character, since that is irrelevant according to your own criteria.
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I wished you guys kept the tier list up at all times just to make it easier to track
I’ll keep that in mind for next time
Your placement of Cedric was based on what he theoretically would have done if he wasn't killed. He literally said hello to Voldermort and Wormtail and was dropped. Cedric did more as a Ghost/Spirit to help Harry escape.
He definitely did less than Slughorn. At least Slughorn fought Voldermort at the battle of Hogwarts.
I can see Ron as an E, but then only Harry and Hermione can be an O. Seeing Molly and Arthur above him is not right.
Dobby too. No way Dobby is higher than Ron who actually personally killed a piece of Voldemort’s soul, amongst very many other contributions.
You guys should do a what if Snape never switched sides series. What if Snape never switched to the good side
16:22 props to hermione for actually saying all that instead of "hagrids looking for you"
Molly and Arthur deserve to be in O simply because they raised half the people on the list.
The moment Ron and Snape got put in the same category I couldn’t believe it 😂 like Harry, y’all be forgetting this man was literally a students WORST fear… he helped out a ton, but it was not heroic. It was creepy devotion to a dead crush.
Luna is the one that mentions the diadem. And then cho says that its lost, but luna with all her weird theories was actually correct.
Neville goes from having so much trouble and doesn’t do a whole lot in the beginning of the story then by the end of the series (and especially the last book) he just becomes like the most badass character. Out of nowhere too! 😂 He just comes out and becomes the most badass character
I think I remember eons ago, that JK originally killed off Neville in the first book, but the editors loved him and requested he be kept in. He’s one of my favorite characters!
@@jennifertwede7142 Same! He’s probably third or fourth after the twins, Luna and used to like Hermione more than Neville but I’ve kinda grown a new appreciation for him
@@rubygracemoseley8144 his character arc always makes me cry!
It's all thanks to him getting a new wand.
@@GuineaPig361 I think it’s more that he grew into a brave man. Wands can’t do much if you’re untrained and have no faith in your abilities.
The most crucial thing that really pushes Sirius up for me is in the forest when his spirit helps James, Lily and Remus to guide Harry to his "death". I'd put him at a high A, bordering closely on an E.
I’d put him at A but that moment is nothing more than the others provided I was honestly more interested in those not there and to see what they say s we already knew what Sirius would say hearing Snape and wormtail would have been more interesting and informative. Such as if wormtail was the worm he always was or if he had some pride in his last actions
Not all the way through yet but I cant but disagree with some of the logic. Snape is downgraded for his motives but Neville almost gets an O for the completely useless (albeit great) moment of standing up to Voldy at the end? Isnt the premise to rank them according to how useful they are in bringing down the dark lord? In that case, teaching Harry Expeliarmus, giving him the vital info at the end and generally being a double agent helping Dumbledore for the entire series should put Snape at O... I cant think of any character more vital than Snape aside from Dumby and Harry, possibly Hermione. Everything Snape does is to fight the dark lord and everything he attempts succeeds and is very important. What happens if Neville doesnt make his speech and stand against Voldemort? Maybe he doesnt get the sword and cant kill Nagini, okay... he's important, but not more than Snape.
After watching the intro, I think omitting the trio would be warranted as their contribution is so large
And yet, they didn’t even put Ron in the O tier! How wild is that?? There are like a thousands reasons for him to be top tier and the Carlin brothers barely even mentioned any and just slapped him into E because…he was an angsty teen at a few points? Really?
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Wish y’all would’ve factored in grimwald place for Sirius in the way that Harry inherited it and how much it helped them in the seventh book; they were able to acquire a horcrux bc of the shelter it provided while they planned a heist. Not to mention it gave them Kreacher who ended up being a pretty good character at the end.
Also every hogsmeade trip Harry ever (legally) took was because of Sirius
Video idea: Ranking Every first chapter of each book, and the last 3-5 chapters of each book!
I LOVE Luna to bits but honestly she should be a tier below Slughorn.
Edit: I arrived at Hedwig in the video and had to add that this one aswell is ridiculous. You say yourselves that it's about how helpful they are in bringing down Voldemort but Hedwig (even though she means very much to Harry) doesn't help at all. Yes she is good for communication but there are two summers (book 2 and 5) where Harry doesn't really communicate with his friends and it is no setback for him. The ability to send letters to his friends is of no consequence when it comes to taking down Voldemort.
And Slughorn in general should be much higher on the list. He doesn't do many things but the most important thing he does is holding onto the real memory of what Voldemort asked him and then willingly giving it to Harry, not because he was drunk or bewitched but because Harry convinced him to do the right thing and he chose to do so. Dumbledore said about the faked memory that it was the most important one out of all of them. So this single thing alone should put Slughorn in A-Tier. This memory was NEEDED to bring down Voldemort.
The Ron take is wrong, saves harry from the frozen lake, memorizes parcel tongue and opens the chamber to get the fangs, taught Harry about the magical world, saved harry from a dragon, along with the friendship stuff, broke him out of his room and got him to hogwarts in a flying car, destroys a horcrux, saves Harry and Hermione from a Troll.
Technically, by switching secret keeper to Peter Sirius contributed a lot to Voldemort's first downfall. So did Snape by telling Voldie about the prophecy.
After Ron was placed the rest of this list stressed me out. Especially when Dobby was put above him. Stop the Ron disrespect
I could have maybe understood the argument for Rob in E, but definitely not after putting his parents in O. The main argument for Arthur and Molly is the support and intangibles they provide for Harry and others, and even with his flaws, there is no way they provided more than Ron to Harry!
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About Moody - I think he deserves credit for some of what Crouch Jr does as Crouch is forced to act as a conduit for ideas that are really from Moody. The phrase "constant vigilance" comes to mind where even if they never met the real Moody I would consider that phrase as something Moody taught them. His general teaching of paranoia also helps Harry avoid drinking Umbridge's veritaserum laced tea and probably some other things I can't pull off the top of my head.
Neville longbottom should have gotten an O for outstanding because if he didn't kill the negini the snake, Voldemort still would have been immortal!!!!
Harry dies in some random lake in a forest without Ron. While a lot of people end up ahead of him, I would argue almost NONE of them can say they have done that much. Let alone everything else Ron had done, someone else named off 11 big things in a different comment.
Charlie fought at the Battle of Hogwarts, justice for Charlie 🎉
snapes drawback like being a bully and just all around bad guy dont really affect voldemort though so shouldn't detract from his rank
1:06 oh boy. This is going to get REAL
Haven't been through all the comments yet, but McGonagall also informed Harry that she would personally see to it he became an auror when Umbridge suggested he would never qualify. Definitely Goddess level. Yes, that was in the books and did not make it into the movie, I think "Have a biscuit" was the nod to that situation.
Day 2 of asking you to Please do a “What if Snape heard the full prophecy” and/or “What if the first Wizarding War never happened”! (As if Voldy rose to power for the first time when Harry is 11.
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I feel like #2 would make no sense.
Like what do you propose Voldemort did until Harry was 11? Sat and drank tea 😅
@@dylantd9189 he may have wanted the sword of Gryffindor to make his last horcrux and decides not to begin his reign until he has the “strongest” version of his soul - It’s up to them how they make it.
@@doomdog2111 but if that were the case, why would he wait until Harry is at Hogwarts. That's like 50 years between the first and theoretical "last" Horcrux.
What you're asking for is not really a "What If" but "Whole new story".
If you eliminate all references to “Moody” when he was really Barty Crouch, would you even have enough references for him to make the list? And if you do, and rank him based ONLY on on Moody as Moody and not Barty as Moody, where would you come down?
New what if idea… what if Draco went to Durmstrang like Lucius wanted and never met Harry?
I'm really enjoying these long ranking videos- such as this one and the ranking of the books. Hope you do more!
27:29 every time you explain Dumbledore's big plan it sounds a little more like The Truman Show lol. Just imagine Harry finds out😅
Voldemort comes back as a conquer. Neville responds "I ain't heard no bell."
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If Neville was somehow the chosen one, Snape would have always been an enemy, shudders at that. He’d be toast.
ok are we talking Book Ron or Movie Ron? Those are 2 totally different grades. Book Ron is an O. He's Harry's right hand man. Movies did Ron dirty so Movie Ron gets an A at best.
So Lily’s sacrifice gets her an O, while Snape being the reason Lily’s sacrifice is triggered barely gets him an E. Seems right lol.
I'd love to see a what if for what if Cedric didn't die, maybe "Moody" catches him in the maze like he does Victor and Fleur, or Voldemort wants him alive so he can tell the tale of Harry's defeat and spread fear.
What if Sirius went to Dumbledore in Prisoner and explained the Pettigrew/Secret Keeper situation and then Dumbledore caught Scabbers?
an hour and a half SCB video? oh this is PERFECT for a rainy chore day
I think Voldemort deserves to be on the list too. His arrogance and ignorance to love and that kind of magic was a major reason Harry could defeat The-One-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Also how can we forget it was his spell that killed You-Know-Who not once but TWICE! (Also to destroy a Horcrux)
It could be argued that Snape NEEDS to be abusive as a teacher at least you some degree because there so so many students who are the children of death eaters and he needs to ensure that his fellow death eaters see him in a certain light so that he can remain in good standing with them. If he treated all the non-Slytherin students well, espescially muggle-borns and the children of people who actively fought against Voldemort like Neville and Harry, it would cast doubt on his loyalties.
It's also imperative that Harry never see him as a good person IMO. Dumbledore likely knows or at least suspects that Harry being a horcrux will cause a connection between Harry and Voldemort, and he never seems to be too harsh with Snape over his blatant dislike of Harry. I think perhaps Dumbledore knows that Snape's public image needs to be a certain way and overlooks it for the sake of the mission.
That's an interesting perspective I didn't consider. It is weird how Dumbledore never stepped in to scold Snape over his mistreatment of students, so it being allowed to keep Snape's role as a double spy and his reputation intact for that purpose makes a lot of sense.
Yeah it makes sense. Snape really enjoys being abusive though, he doesn't have to fake that, it just happens to be useful in his role.
Still I think he should be in O tier for all his enormous contributions for Voldemort's downfall.
I am both surprised as well as pleased that Sirius is placed where he is. Admittedly I do not see him as my fan favorite, and I won't stick up for him on a daily basis, but it's surprising that others can objectively share the views that I've been trying to explain to friends.
Though I will say, he was there for Harry at a very instrumental time, while he was completely traumatized by the death of Cedric, and he will always get bonus points for that.
The fact that you did not put Ronald Bilius Weasley in the top teir makes me think you need to read the books again. 😂
Im defense of Snape - while telling Dumbledore the info he already new about the Potters did nothing, Snape's pleading with Voldemort to spare Lily put her in position to give her life willingly for Harry, thus enabling Sacrificial Protection
30:13 I agree about Molly and Arthur. They were in a crucial relationship with Harry, serving in loco parentis.
If you destroy a Horcrux, you are an automatic O.
35:35 "Now, it's that time of year where you may be Contemplating.... your next costume for Halloween fun!"
Yes, Ben. Costumes. For sure.
I wore headphones while working.. and I jumped 👏every 👏single 👏time that bell dinged
ok. I LOVE Hermione and I will also not hear anything to put her out of her well-deserved O, but, I do think there was a more nuanced point about SPEW. Yes, she was correct about the house elves needing help but the way she went about it was completely misguided. Tricking them into getting "liberated" when they actively did not want this is infantilizing in its own way. She did not stop to listen what the house elves were saying - she had her own viewpoint and would not budge from it. I think we see this in other situations like her dynamic with Luna. I understand she was very young and she actually cared which is huge considering literally nobody else did.
Lupin is my favorite character in the whole saga. Wish he was utilized more in the series. An inspirational character for Harry to Look up to.
I expected Severus to be put much lower, I am pleasantly surprised.
I do see Ben's perspective that it's all for Lily at the start, and I agree, but I do believe it becomes more than that by the end of it as despite Harry being Lily's son and believing he needs to die, Severus still goes on with Dumbledore's plan.
He also does have that line, "Only those of whom I could not save." He says this to Dumbledore, and it goes beyond Lily.
There is no reason for Severus to save anyone other than Harry if it were truly for Lily and Lily alone.
Luna's big moment with the going to the ministry was her idea to get there using the thestrils
My only real difference is I'd bump Ron up to the bottom of O, and Dobby to the Top of E, and maybe flip around Neville and Lupin. (which neither would change a tier from this, so in the end, doesn't really matter who is Higher within E)
41:32 I was hoping for the clip that Pretty Obviously belongs in the slot
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Video idea: What if Draco was in Gryffindor?
He'd be homeschooled. And disgraced.
I think Draco would have an entirely different personality then. Harry in Slytherin makes sense, so does Ron being in Hufflepuff, but Draco's whole thing is self-preservation, status image and he is only "brave" when he gains something out of it. He IS the stereotypical Slytherin.
@@linexi He’s only the stereotypical Slytherin child. If you really think about it, he’s not really interested in anything like self preservation or cunningness. The sorting hat doesn’t differentiate between good and bad. What I would think would happen is that Draco would grow up being inspired by his father’s “bravery” in fighting for Voldemort, which would inspire him to also be “brave”, landing him in Gryffindor. Otherwise, Draco really doesn’t have any other traits that align him with any of the houses. He’s only put into Slytherin because of heritage.
I think they talked a little about this on through the griffin door. I don't remember much about what they said on the topic but I believe I remember them coming up with the reason he ends up in gryffindor, I think they said that he recognized harry wasn't going into slytherin so he asked the hat to put him in gryffindor as a way to try and be a man on the inside.
They talked about doing that video! I think they talked about it in the Ron in hufflepuf pt 1 video that they plan on doing it!!!