I think Harry's attitude in OotP is very overstated. He has extremely good reasons to be angry too. But he gets called out more than once and relaxes afterward. Kid's pretty reasonable despite massive PTSD and having a world's worth of stress on his shoulders.
Yes. However, it's mostly the connection between Harry's and Voldemort's mind influencing the behavior. That's why Dumbledore pushes the Occlumency lessons so hard in the middle of the night with Snape of all people. Harry doesn't understand what's going on, which makes he as himself more angry.
Let’s remember Harry isn’t just a moody 15 year old in OOTP - he’s literally suffering from PTSD after the graveyard! Watching Cedric die, seeing his parents - Wormtail cutting off his hand would be traumatizing enough. Then he has to return to an abusive household and kept in the dark for months. Would be enough to turn anyone “angsty”. Really he’s just been traumatized! EDIT: Plus the amazing contributing comments below. I love the SCB community :)
Traumatized and then left alone to deal with it in isolation!!! And then victim-blamed and not believed and targeted by practically the whole Wizarding world!!!!
So true!!! Poor guy has had traumatic experiences each year at Hogwarts up till then, and quite possibly the worst until book 7! And that’s not mentioning his poor excuse of a childhood. Harry came into Hogwarts with PTSD, and it’s only been compounded since then. Plus puberty. Can’t forget that. Harry (and everyone else) needs to visit a Wizard therapist. I’m honestly quite proud of Harry handling everything as well as he did.
Not to mention lack of sleep from nightmares, having to relive trauma again and again through his “lessons” with Snape, being tortured by Umbridge and gaslit by the entire wizarding community, and deprived of his favorite activities like Quidditch. Yeah I think I’d be a bit angsty and peeved too. But Order shows the power of standing up for the truth and what the consequences of that could be. It’s one of the most psychologically deep books out of the series.
One detail about Horace Slughorn that I want people to remember: he, a consummate Slytherin, duelled Voldemort alongside McGonagall and Kingsley. When the critical moment came, he stepped up to fight the most lethal wizard in the world. Respect.
Yeah, Slughorn represents the "good" version of the Slytherin "values". Yes he is elitist, looks for his own advantage and is a bit manipulative. But he also connects other people he believes are talented, presents them opportunities, builds lifelong connections and has moral values that he puts first when it really matters.
People sorting themselves into slytherin on pottermore has really given people rose colored glasses when it comes to the house. Slughorn being against Voldemort doesnt even really make him a good person when you consider they wanted him dead, it wouldnt even make him a good person if they wanted him alive. Opposing a bluntly evil and irredeemable character that basically represents an end to the world as it stands isnt even a virtue, how low must we stoop to give slytherin something to feel noble about?
my theory is the Lucius is purposely sabotaging Draco, so he finds the "dark side" unappealing, to ultimately save his son and direct him to the "light side" (safer side). otherwise, why would he send him to Hogwarts where the light side captain is the headmaster, and all the good guys teach instead of Drumstrang or something.
@@SlyviaElanor he did originally want to send him to Durmstrang but his mother didn’t want him that far away so he went to hogwarts instead, and thank goodness he did… maybe or maybe not, that would make an interesting what if…
Got the craziest Ad timing ever watching this video: The clip of Hedwig dying happened then immediately an Ad started for Stouffer’s Food saying “Hmm Whats for Dinner?”
1:24:47 - going along with your marauders/golden trio+co parallels, i’ve always felt like draco sort of mirrored regulus! both were raised to be death eaters, both realized their wrongs only after they were in too deep. however brave he was, it was too late for regulus to do anything but die a hero. draco, on the other hand, got the chance to grow and become a good man. this also adds a whole new layer to narcissa’s fear for draco - regulus was her little cousin, she’s seen firsthand how dangerous it is to be “just a boy”.
Nah dude, Regulus realises that he was in the wrong sure. But Draco (and the whole Malfoy family) just falls out of grace with Voldemort and just acts out of self preservation.
@@MatSjo no yeah i completely agree that regulus had a full redemption, my point is that he didn’t get to live past it. draco might not have had a complete redemption arc, but he does have the opportunity to grow up and grow into it, and i would argue that he does show signs of this in deathly hallows when he refuses to identify harry for bellatrix. in that situation, it was in his best interest to give the trio up, but he knew it was wrong and so he kept his mouth shut. obviously he has a long way to go! but he actually gets to live it out, unlike regulus.
The reason Umbridge is so triggering is that she represents the kind of petty, bureaucratic evil we've all experienced. There really aren't supervillains like Voldemort, but reading HOA stories on Reddit tells you there are Umbridges everywhere.
That's my take as well. The worst part for me is that if you just read the books and none of the supplemental stuff, Umbridge basically gets away with everything she did. She apparently didn't even lose her job and was given free rein to purge muggleborns and anyone else she deemed "unworthy" of having magic after Voldemort took over. I know the supplemental stuff says she was eventually hauled off to Azkaban, but my personal favorite head canon of her fate is that the dementors she brought with her for "protection" when she was interrogating muggleborns (and others she thought "undesirable") had a little snack after Harry knocked her unconscious and the trio got away. After what she tried to do to Harry two years before, I think it would have been poetic justice for her to get the Dementor's Kiss from the very dementors she was using to "protect" her.
Reddit mods are like the Ministry of Magic ran by Death Eaters. They have all of these rules (that they don’t even follow) and they ban anyone that has an opinion that doesn’t match their own.
Man... am I the only one whose favorite book is Order of the Phoenix?? I genuinely love the complex array of emotions that book makes me genuonely feel, from hatred and disgust for Umbridge and the ministry to pity for Cho and especially Harry and respect for Hermione and Harry and all the members of DA. I also absolutely love the DA and Harry's real time in the sun as not just someone who's overcoming these obstacles through luck or circumstance but it being shown that he does have this genuine skill in this area in addition to the circumstances around him. I just love that book and could gush about it forever
💯 I'm on your side! I feel like people didn't like it because "Harry was so angry", but as someone who experienced death at a young age, I really related to hin in that book. Plus, there is so much emphasis on the other characters, which was fun. And the DA...come on people! Man, I must have read that book a thousand times!!
Not the only one. That is one of my favorite books. Also maybe because I have more personal memories attached to it. I borrowed first 4 books to read from a friend. 5th one didn't come out yet. I was saving pocket money to buy it as I barely had any allowance from parents. I think it took me half a year to get the money and I had a special discount coupon for book purchase on the first day. After I bought it, I read it in 1 day. I was reading all day until 6am next morning. My mom woke up and was mad at me when I literally had last chapter to read. I finished the last chapter while sitting at the last desk at geography class while hiding the book behind the geography textbook. And boy I hated umbridge, but I didn't mind the feeling as I was so invested in the book. Also I was proud of myself finishing a 600page book as a high schooler.
Y'all're weird, man... OotP ACTIVELY makes me angry. During the years I was actively re-reading the series, I would get so bummed when I would finish GoF & realize that OotP was next & every time I would consider abandoning the re-read or skipping OotP, but I would end up re-reading it & EVERY... TIME... I hated every page. Its just such a slog & unpleasant.
People complain that Harry is too angsty and annoying in OotP but it's my favorite book in the series because I think his angsty-ness is very cathartic. Throughout the books I think about how Harry /should/ be mad about what is happening to him. He should be mad at how he's been treated by everyone around him and what he is expected to do. It makes me feel really good during OotP because the entire time I'm like "YES HARRY BE MAD" I love to see him express those angry and resentful emotions during the book because I don't feel like he really does in any of the other books. It makes Harry feel more real.
The best way I can articulate my feelings on the first book is when you're replaying your favorite videos game and you have to go back through the tutorial at the beginning just anxious for the beef of the story to kick off
How hilarious is it that it took an entire school year for the Ministry of Magic to decide whether one Hippogryph would die or not, and the crime was barely scratching a student. 😂 The amount of time that wasted for so many wizard adults.
As others have said its in keeping with our world. But also ask yourself this: if its as small and unimportant as one hippogryphs execution over a small injury, wouldnt that make it a non-urgent issue? If my boat had a bunch of leaky holes in it my first thought wouldnt be to polish the mast.
Video idea: What if Lucius Malfoy sent the diary with Ron instead of Ginny his first year? (i.e. the same year the Hogwarts staff is hiding the Philosopher’s Stone) What would it have been like for Harry essentially dealing with both the plots of the first two books his first year?
Too specific of a concept imo. You just trying to merge two different plot lines into one book on top of who the plot affected...you pretty much just rewrite the whole series at that point
@@antonypost19I disagree. With the risks associated with the monster, where would the stone go? Where would Harry meet Quirrel/Voldemort? Could he defeat the basilisk, diary Riddle, Quirrel, and Voldemort all at once his first year? Would Voldemort prime reunite with his former self? Does Lucius rejoin Voldemort earlier? Would Flamel stay alive? There are a ton of questions this scenario brings up
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k exactly my point 🤦♂️. It's too convoluted to come up with an actual story that would still make sense for the rest of the series to happen.
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k notice how it all the bothers "what if" videos, the books still end up having the same overall ending as far as plot points. What you're suggesting is just a completely different story altogether
I first read this series in 2nd grade and have been re and rereading them ever since. My ranking: 7. The Chamber of Secrets- This book has always bugged me for many of the reasons Ben brought up: The convoluted way of getting Harry, Ron, and Lockhart into the chamber, although I do think the teachers calling Lockheart's bluff wasn't putting off the problem, only getting Lockheart out of the way of them actually doing their jobs. It is hard to bring up anything more than that because I love this book so much but if I had to pick one to cram to the bottom of my bag to only fish out when I want to reexperience a one of the phenominal moments from this it, it would be this one. Plus, the idea of the giant spiders, giant snakes, and just minding your own business and being petrified by a giant snake terrified me as a kid. Humm, so many giant creatures in this one, maybe I'm afraid of giants. 6. The Deathly Hollows- Hey J, sorry for putting this one so low, I promise I still love it. Anyway, this story had so many good parts, Snape's reveal, the Battle of Hogwarts, breaking into Gringotts, riding a dragon, Malfoy Manor, the sword in the lake, Bill and Fleur's wedding, Shell Cottage, The Battle of the Seven Potters, Xenophilius Lovegood's house, Godric's Hollow. So many amazing things but the one thing with this book that has always urked me is that there is so much saddness and miserableness in between, they are camping for most of the book, they keep losing friends to terrible circumstances! Ron is mean, they lose Kreacher just after he finally finds love, Mad-Eye dies, Hedwig dies, they get tricked by Nagini, they kept getting knocked down again and again and even though they always got back up, this one dragged on for me and I had to put it down a few times because I was so upset with Ron or Yaxley or Harry. I also have always found the ministry heist a bummer and, for real, they use polyjuice potion five times! The Battle of the Seven Potters, the wedding, The Ministry break in, Godric's Hollow, the Gringotts break in, they never even get close to running out. I think Moody's stash could've easily been a lot smaller than it was. This one has always bumped me a little but there are still so many more things I love about this one than that I dislike. 5. The Sorcerer's Stone- I cannot deny, like Ben, this one definitely won some brownie points for being the first but it really was such a good first that it deserves those brownie points! Just thinking about how perfectly constructed this book is, makes me want to read it again to make sure I wasn't imagining the whole thing. We got magic; we got scary two-faces on one head reveal; we got Neville learning to stand up for himself, which I don't think we ever think about because it became his new normal but Neville was being straight up physically bullied in his first year; we got Dudley pig tail, kinda horrifying if you think about it, and we got the golden trio coming together, which was perfectly and reasonably paced so that we were so glad and so happy that those three became friends. This one is special in so many ways but in the largest part because it hooked all of us, otherwise we wouldn't be here to click on this video today. 4. The Order of the Phoenix- No one can deny Umbridge's impact on this series, no one! She was the first villain we've fully hated, no questions asked; she was the reason we got Weasley's Wizards Weazes in the next one; she even appears in every book after to stick her snout into the golden trio's lives for all eternity if she could. On a different not, I never saw Harry as being eternaly anxsty in this one, I just thought he was traumatized, he was being oppressed by Umbridge and Dumbledore, and he was a teen with no guiding light because all of his parental figures were either argueing with one another or afraid that he was secretly a plant for Voldemort. He was having a rough go of it but he still found time to be happy during Christmas and proud of his students because he deserved to be. And, don't forget folks, this is when we first got introduced to Luna Lovegood, how can you write this one off? Just look at her and listen to jim Dale work his audio magic! 3. The Prisoner of Azkaban- This is one of my favorites to reread, especially as I fall asleep, I get the best dreams. I agree with J and Ben, the Hagrid-Buckbeak-Draco plotline, it wasn't the most interesting or realistic but I find merit in the way that it impacts Hermione, Ron, and Harry's relationships. When Hermione and Ron are fighting about Crookshanks and Scabbers and Harry is mad at Hermione for the Firebolt situation, Hermione continues to help Hagrid when the boys wouldn't because that is the kind of person she is. And, she was right about Sirius having sent the Firebolt to Harry. I just love the degree of depth and empathy we get from Hermione in this plotline and I can't discount how much it really really made me fall in love with her character. + Marauders + L + rat-io 2. The Goblet of Fire- A definite masterpiece of storytelling. If y'all haven't watched Jed Herne's video on sub-plots in fiction, he really digs deep into the things we all love about this book from Rita Skeeter to Bartie Crouch Jr., this book has it all. Cedric is the perfect spare, Hermione branches out from Harry and Ron with Krum, Hagrid comes out of his shell with Madame Maxime, Ron is revealed to be a jealous toxic character who is promising us some growth,and we get the first steps to Weasley's Wizard Weazes. 1. The Half-blood Prince- I loved this book from start to finish, Slughorn, Dumbledore bullying the Dursleys, Hermione's coolness under stress(minus Mcclaggin), Ron realizing his true feelings, Harry as the quidditch captain, but my alltime favorite piece of this whole thing is Draco's journey. Draco just became a whole new person through this story, we see him cry, disagreeing with Crabbe and Goyle, being resentful towards Snape, being an actual unsure teenager, and feeling alone. Chef's kiss~
It broke my heart to see Prisoner ranked so low, and I liked it for all of the reasons they didn’t. I love that Voldemort wasn’t in it because after the first two the reader is kinda like “queue Voldemort” and he doesn’t show!!!! It’s awesome! I was glad to see Goblet ranked so high though. When I got that book when I was a kid, I was so enthralled I read almost the entire thing in a day and I had no idea the day passed. My mom came home from work and I thought she had forgotten something and come back, but actually she had been at work all day 😅. I am glad J ranked Order of the Phoenix so low. I agree that the prophecy seems flimsy.
56:58 _"There were books written between [Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows] about what might happen."_ Could we get a video on these books? That sounds like a very interesting topic.
I always read when the professors tell Lockhart to deal with the chamber as "You play over there while the grownups talk." Harry being 12 just misunderstood their meaning.
It's also worth considering the reason they weren't racing to save Ginny is that the message heavily implied she was already dead. Their duty of care was to the other students.
Same, I always read that as them getting rid of the distraction so they could focus on the real work, with Harry and Ron just not picking up on that because they're kids. The fact that they don't end up in the Chamber with them doesn't mean they just went to bed, just that they were caring for other students and formulating a plan (which would be tricky!)
I paused the video to come say this. The other professors didn't even know Ron and Harry were there with info, they hid in the closet during the whole conversation with Lockhart.
I read HBP in one night, while working as an archaeologist in Poland. I remember having a deep conversation the next day with a fellow arch while mourning Dumbledore. That moment is still a core memory for me. ❤
@@InWitheNew We are told why. Lupin says that Harry has experienced more trauma than any other student his age. He’s STILL able to channel his positivity into a corporeal patronus. We’re also told that many adult wizards can’t do it, but he can at 13.
I’ve read/ listened to this series atleast 100 times by now and I genuinely can not come up with a list for this. Each book that I think of has to be in the top 3 and I’ve come to the conclusion that I love them all the same.
i've listen to the audiobooks at least 100 too and definitely have favorites , its not something i can tell you the list , its more like chapter by chapter
I think I really like them all except Deathly Hallows. That has nice moments but ruins the horcruxes storyline with the out-of-nowhere elder wand stuff and then the ending is so abrupt with a cringey tag-on flash forward
Each book has it's own vibe in a way that makes it hard for me to compare them. It's hard to say one is better or worse because they're all kind of doing different things
My Roman Empire and maybe my favorite movie change is the timing of when Fawkes heals Harry. In the book Fawkes heals him BEFORE he stabs the diary. They switch it in the movie so that Harry stabs the diary while in agony and believing he’s about to die, but uses what he thinks are his last moments to save Ginny. That’s WAY better and a way better reflection of Harry’s nature.
in regards to lockheart, they don’t actually expect him to do anything. They can’t do anything because no one knows where the chamber is, them telling him to save ginny (since he has proclaimed he knows where it is) is them calling his bluff to make him leave. it’s to get him out of the way. Why do ron and harry think he’s going to do anything? that i don’t know.
Because they are very young students who expect adults to know what they are doing. They are so callow that Lockhart must elaborate in detail the nature of his villainy. Only then do they see how terrible he is.
Shockingly, I read the books for the first time this summer, and I’ve been absolutely obsessed with the Wizarding World since. I love this channel, as I was craving a deeper dive into the lore and having burning, unresolved questions answered, and you guys absolutely have satisfied that for me! I’ve also been listening to Through the Griffin Door, and I’ve had the urge to share my own thought about the series. I’m not sure if you have already talked about this in other videos (I’m just scratching the surface on all your content), but I feel confident the entire series was written using a literary device called a chiasmus. This means the themes presented in the first half of the series reflect in the second half, with the moment that the plot begins to mirror itself is in the chapter Priori Incantatem, where Voldemort’s spells begin to seep out of his wand in reverse. So, themes, characters, plot points and artifacts from Pholosopher’s Stone show up in Deathly Hallows, things in Chamber reappear in Half-Blood, and things in Prisoner return in Order. I really feel like this is true, and makes me appreciate the series and the deep thought and planning that went into this beautiful work.
Fawkes showing up wasn’t a fluke. Dumbledor has the light put outer. So he can hear when people are talking about him by name. Which Harry does while talking to diary Voldemort.
That is a great point. To me, one clarification. You can hear when your name is used by those who you care for. I say this because Ron heard Hermione use his name.
it isnt as much as fluke or not that he is but how much he does. Only cure to venom that is one of few things that can destroy horcrux and was able to blind snake and bring sword to the place that was not reachable by ghost
Ben Ranking: 7: Chamber of Secrets 6: Prisoner of Azkaban 5: Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone 4: Order of the Phoenix 3: Deathly Hallows 2: Half-Blood Prince 1: Goblet of Fire J's Ranking: 7: Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone 6: Order of the Phoenix 5: Chamber of Secrets 4: Prisoner of Azkaban 3: Half-Blood Prince 2: Goblet of Fire 1: Deathly Hallows
Average Ranking Betwixt Them: 6/7: Philosopher’s Stone/Chamber of Secrets 4/5: Prisoner of Azkaban/Order of the Phoenix 3: Half Blood Prince 2: Deathly Hallows 1: Goblet of Fire
I'm so glad you guys had a parent who would read the books to you. My parents forbade me from reading them and I read books 1-5 on my own. I had a long bus ride in middle school, so I would read on the bus and then sneak the book in my backpack. When book 6 came out, my mom went to Barnes and Noble the day it came out and got me a copy. This core memory is a part of the reason why Half Blood Prince is my favorite.
Molly and Harry’s hospital wing scene in GoF makes it my favorite book. I bawl my eyes out everytime I read it. I get choked up when I explain it to friends as well lol
#1 - Half Blood Prince #2 - Deathly Hallows #3 - Goblet of Fire #4 - Prizoner of Azkaban #5 - Order of the Pheonix #6 - Chamber of Secrets #7 - Philosopher's Stone
I always catch a little bit of heat for my list but heres my ranks... 1. Chamber of Secrets 2. Prisoner of Azkaban 3. Goblet of Fire 4. Half Blood Prince 5. Order of the Phoenix 6. Philosophers Stone 7. deathly Hallows
@@culdog614 that's fair, honestly the last 3 are interchangeable for me and that's just where I'd put them on that day. If you asked me today I'd stay mostly the same but 5 and 7 would've swapped.
Reading through the comments, the thing I love most is that there is actually no consensus on which book is best. Every book has its specific purpose in the overall story, and they all deliver. There isn't really a "weak point" because every book has its own charm and moments that stick with you. Ootp will always be my number one, but the rest of my personal list changes every time I reread the books. I just think it's incredible how well the overall story is told, and it was absolutely amazing to be part of this phenomenon in real time as each book was released. There was never anything like it, and i seriously doubt there could be again. Just an incredible body of work that contributed so much to young adult's literature. I am so proud and happy to be part of this community. Much love to you all xx
Deathly Hallows has SO MANY little moments that pay off BIG later on. All of the small details or prophecies or random facts….they just all get payed off SO WELL! I love it
You guys putting Prisoner in 4/6 made me actually gasp out loud as it's my favourite book. My personal rankings would go 1 - Prisoner 2 - Order 3 - Goblet 4 - Stone 5 - Hallows 6 - Chamber 7 - Prince
@@HugoGojibiterI think it is possible. In the original story, Draco is self-seeking, a trait associated with Slytherin, but not really too ambitious. For Draco to be Gryffindor, he’d have to just not be as self-seeking. Draco would grow up hearing about the daring exploits of his dad in the name of protecting wizardkind. Draco believes this is noble, and wants to continue that line of bravery, even if it’s technically evil. The sorting hat sees this nerve and judges him best suited for Gryffindor.
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k not to mention they went partially down this tangent on one of the podcasts and it was interest and now I just want MORE details!
1) Order of the Phoenix 2) Deathly Hallows 3) Goblet of Fire 4) Sorcerer’s Stone 5) Prisoner of Azkaban 6) Chamber of Secrets 7) Half Blood Prince Harry should have been closer to Lupin, he relied on him as a mentor for a whole year and only knew Sirius for an hour before they separated at the end of Prisoner. I never understood the leap from complete stranger to the most trusted confidant from the end of Prisoner to the start of Goblet.
But at the same time, Lupin was very reluctant, a coward even. He didnt seek Harry out, the orphan child of his childhood friends who even made themselves animagi for him, not once did he try to contact Harry before Azkaban and even during that book, he reveals he knew his parents far too late after Harry's prompts.
@@saulgoodman8501Hagrid was appaled that Harry didnt know anything about the wizarding world, and Harry had his hand constantly shaken by random wizards on the street. From that, I dont think anything supports that Dumbledore would have told Lupin that.
Sirius gave Harry the one thing that he's always wanted more than anything else, though. When Harry looks into the mirror of erised, he sees him with family. Sirius is the closest thing Harry has ever had to that. He's his actual godfather, he offered him a home, and he genuinely loves him. How could an orphan boy not latch on to that. It doesn't make as much logical sense, but it makes a terrible amount of emotional sense. It doesn't matter how well he knows him, Sirius represents the only thing Harry ever really wanted.
Please bring movieflame back more frequently, you guys have such a deep knowledge on harry potter that would lend itself so well to future j vs ben’s with him
1 Order of the Phoenix 2 Goblet of Fire 3 Prisoner of Askaban 4 Half Blood Prince 5 Deathly Hallows 6 Sorcerers Stone/ Philosopher Stone 7 Chamber of Secrets This is my order. I always loved OotP. It might seemed too long for most people but I’m hoping that they realize how important it actually is in the whole story in “Through the Griffin Door.” It is the book if I did patron I would want a page from that book
Book 5 is my favorite. To me it’s the most relatable and realistic. It teaches so many life lessons about big things. I was surprised you didn’t mention Luna in your discussion of it!
The biggest issue I have with Deathly Hallows is that the "payoffs" seem a bit forced and kinda seem to contradict previous lore. Expeliarmus changing the loyalties of wands? Like, why didn't this happen when they were in the DA? Why didn't this happen when Lupin disarmed the Golden Trio in Poisoner? Why didn't Bellatrix's wand give its loyalty to Ron? And for Draco's wand core being unicorn hair, it's supposed to be the most loyal of wand cores, but it changed loyalty due to Harry taking it from him?
Not all wands are as flimsy with their loyalty as the Elder Wand. While the changing allegiance of the wands is a big plot point, there are only two instances of it: the Elder Wand and Draco's wand. The Elder Wand isn't loyal at all. It's willing to switch if there is a more powerful master available. Draco's wand has not been explained, but Draco has been going through a lot, so his wand may have started growing apart from him. Not all wands will leave though. Some are really loyal and will only stay loyal to the original owner.
Isn't the obvious explanation simply that practice and sparring isn't a real fight, and so loyalty of a wand wouldn't change because of the lack of hostile intent. During a fight, I disarm you to overpower you against your will, during practice we are learning with no ill intent. And maybe more importantly, during practice the wands are given back willingly after.
@@RandomCarrot2806 Okay, what about when Lupin disarmed the Golden Trio? What about when the Golden Trio disarmed Snape 10 minutes later? Why would the Death Eaters’ wands still obey them after being captured (you can’t seriously tell me that not one was disarmed)?
@@crawdaddy1234 Well, for starters what stops any of the death eaters from getting new wands? Same for Snape, it's not like if your wand ever breaks or you lose it that you simply have to spend the rest of your life wand less. In book 1, we see how tough it was for Harry to be matched with a wand, but that was a clear abboration of what normally occurs, as evident by Ollivanders words during it, with the later implication that it probably had a lot to do with a fragment of Voldemort's soul within Harry messing up the process. But we have no reason to think there would ever only be one unique wand to match every witch or wizard.
When they say "i remember laying on the bed and Dad was reading the first book to us...." And you just FEEL the wrinkles as you think "how much younger than i are these kids, since i read them all myself as they came out?" . Rip my knees
@@failurenotsorry6600They're saying that J and B must be a lot younger than that person, because their dad was reading it to them as kids, but this person read it themselves when they were seemingly older at that time.
I am their age (at least the same high school graduation year as J) and I also read the books to myself. There is also a third, younger Carlin brother who was probably just too little to read the books alone at the time. J and Ben also might have been a little younger than I was when they were introduced to the books (between books 3-4). It just seems nice that their family did this regardless of their ages at the time.
@@failurenotsorry6600 ie: suddenly i feel OLD, watching these "kids" go over the books. I'm young enough to have grown up with them, but not to the same degree, and it makes me feel older than i am
My mom read the first three books to my sister and I, but when nobody was looking I'd sneak off and read ahead because I was too curious to wait, and then when she'd read it next I'd act surprised when something big happened to cover it up.
The Order didn't care about the consequences of Voldemort getting the prophecy. They cared that Voldemort was expending the resources and risking exposing his return by trying to get at it, and that he was holding off on any full-blown assaults until he was sure what the prophecy said.
I love them talking about the Mad Eye twist in Goblet. They describe it like "What!? That guy who loved torturing kids and putting one in magical gladiator fights, him!? He was EVIL!?!?!" Like, I'm not saying that I called the twist, but i just died the way they were talking about.
Wow, 1 1/2 hr video! 😮🎉🙌🏼 So fun! Timestamps for your enjoyment! 😊 1:30 - Philosopher’s Stone 12:52 - Chamber of Secrets 22:57 - Prisoner of Azkaban 35:22 - Goblet of Fire 44:49 - Order of the Phoenix 56:23 - Half Blood Prince 1:09:24 - Deathly Hallows
Philosopher’s Stone is one of my favourite books, purely on the nostalgia front and it being our introduction to the wizarding world… I used to read all the previous books before a new book came out as a child, so it is definitely the book I’ve read the most number of times. There is so much of it that becomes more relevant or takes new meaning when you have knowledge of where the later books go It probably also helps that I went to an old school in UK that was designed to mirror a castle on the other side of the valley in a late victorian/ gothic revival style - it had towers (one of which was crenellated), cloisters, grand staircases, a quad, expansive grounds, big old wooden doors, hidden WW2 tunnels (if you knew how to get into them), a caretakers cottage and a great hall. It even had four school houses, assigned the colours red, green, yellow and blue. So I’m as much nostalgic for the awe I felt going to that school for the first time at the age of 11 as I am for Harry’s experience of going to Hogwarts.
You know, I just realized that the Mirror of Erised's protection of the stone can be pretty easily overcome by Voldemort if Quirell left the chamber undetected and came back the next night with a student. He then threatens to kill said student's family and/or friends if they don't retrieve the stone from the mirror. Now that student has a desire to find the stone but not use it, in order to save their loved ones.
@@andreiiancu8969 Maybe. Voldemort told Quirell to "Use the boy" when Harry showed up, so it's likely that Voldemort would reach that idea on his own eventually.
Idk if that would work. Dumbledore specifically says “someone who wanted the stone, but not use it…” and getting the stone to then give to Voldemort to use, seems exactly what Dumbledore meant. Harry got the stone because he wanted it to keep it AWAY from Voldemort and stop it from being used. If the student only wanted it to save themselves, to them turn it over to Quirrell and Voldemort, that defeats the purpose. It’s the exact opposite of what Harry wanted it for. I don’t think it would work like that. And as someone said above, the true desire wouldn’t be to get the stone, it would be to survive or save their family…
It could have been Dumbledore's test of Harry's character. Dumbledore needed to find out if Harry had a desire for wealth and if he was frightened of death.
I love the line: “i think you are trying to give more meaning to it than originally intended” at around 12:45. Basically a summary of the channel😂 Love the video’s guys!
@@jish55 Thats what shocked me soo much that they said in the video. Its always been top 3 for me. Never even wavered. Ive always loved Loopin and Serius they could probably be in my top 10 characters, love Hagrid getting big emotional arcs not just some offscreen stuff happens that he then tells the kids about. Like the first book he was literally just a story device used for explaining stuff to the kids and why they knew too much and the second I felt he wasnt even in that much. Love Buckbeak and everything in the book just felt world biulding and slice of life. Voldemort cant be the problem every single year or that would be boring and old by the end, but yet it still leads into that because without Peter being found out and returning or Sirius breaking out, we dont really get anything from Goblet or him returning because the main helpers were Peter and I geuss Barty Jr but would he have gotten away from his fathers keep without the dark lord possibly returning? I geuss its a personal thing, but its just always been up there for me and im actually shocked when people rank it low. I dont even know what can be boring in it, if im honest. And I didnt even mention the awsome time turners or just the cool classes and learning we got from Pirisoner. And its very similar to 5 in my opinion which is my favourite and in the video they also didnt rank 5 too high, which i was shocked with. Is it 50/50 you love them both or rank them both low?
@@Eden_Esther Yes! Maybe the first one hes a kid, finally has friends, has magic, its so much wonder and joy but I think the 3rd he has family that love him, sure not biological, but Sirius and Lupin are family, the whole Leaky Cauldron time hes just a teenager having a cool holiday in london basically, ice creams everyday, then his friends and his other psudo or future married into family show up and he's so joyous, his happieness is literally how he has the patronas and its corporial!! Also the music notes when he talks to Lupin on the bridge in the film and its so emotional almost get me everytime with tears of joy, just because he has found his family after all this time. And they were obviously soo soo close, because he is Teddys godfather, even though he probably shares custody with the Tonk's when he is old enough to raise a kid and they are extra old, he probably takes primary care. So is a father to this guys son! And then 5 he has an entire army of friends! and family all in Grimmauld Place, that would die for him like family and who half of them do. They bring so much joy that people seem to forget about and its that most familial joy that cant be beaten, even by some flying brushes, magic sticks and some old guys in dresses
5 is my favorite book. 1. I love revolutionary Harry (rebellions are so fun) 2. The end is awesome 3. Mcgonagall is really snarky to Umbridge and I love it.
Regarding the "I am Lord Voldemort" - the first time I read that book, I literally stopped what I was doing, sat down, and figured out that it actually worked.
@@Leenapanther I mean, I did that when I was in 3rd grade (I was kind of a weird kid, still am in fact) but no, I just literally put the book down, wrote out “Tom Marvolo Riddle” and solved it…
In regards to your commentaqry on Order of the Phoenix, I knew the most AMAZING Umbridge cos-player. The Harry Potter fandom when these books and movies first came out was EPIC, and people CRUSHED their costumes!
Let's go I can't wait to watch! I love long ranking videos, especially on Harry Potter lol. My list would be: 1) GoF 2) DH 3) OotP 4) PoA 5) HBP 6) CoS 7) PS
On Lupin assigning the vampire essay: at first I thought it was Lupin trying to out Snape as a vampire, but the more I think about it, I actually think it was Lupin trying to throw off anyone who thought he was a werewolf. Like, of course Snape can't be a vampire, therefore Lupin can't be a werewolf, Snape was just being Snape.
There might be some hot takes in here, but: 1) Goblet of Fire 2) Sorcerer's Stone 3) Prisoner of Azkaban 4) Half-Blood Prince 5) Chamber of Secrets 6) Deathly Hallows 7) Order of the Phoenix
@@jerameymanuel9083 I have to disagree with J, I think the way Harry beats Voldemort via elder wand technicality is super dumb. Every single time Harry has faced off against Voldemort, he's basically lucked his way into winning. I think it would have been way cooler if they could have an actual duel and Harry is allowed to actually beat him. That alone really drags Deathly Hallows down for me
Wow I just realized how significant the line “It’s a great deal harder to stand up to your friends” must be to Dumbledore. After all, the reason he lost his sister, the thing he most regrets in his life was caused by him failing to stand up to his then friend Grindewald.
I’ve been waiting for this ranking for a long time. I think it will be great along with your movie ranking. Maybe after the podcast of going through each chapter your ranking will maybe change
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Oh that’s interesting. I really hope my favorites are at the top. I know Jay said Deathly Hallows and Goblet if Fire were his favorites. I wonder if it stayed the same
@@coolnerdlll6053 i don’t really remember the epilogue and I forgot what chapter is the unknowable room, I think it’s from either half blood Prince or ootp
Care of Magical Teachers: Learn to watch for Dark Lords on the back of your teacher's head, how to spot a liar, how to recognize a werewolf, how to identify someone that is using polyjuice potion, how to deal with toad-like monsters, and how to spot when someone is in love with your dead mom (plus lots of other things).
I thought Ben and I were on the same page about the worst chapter in the series when they were discussing Chamber. To my shock though it didn’t end up being the Death Day party chapter. I have read and reread these books so many times and the chapter I most dread going back through (and often skip over) is that one.
I thought that the time James saved Snapes life was when he stopped him from going to the Shrieking Shack when Siruis tells him to go through the Whomping Willow?
I felt so vindicated when you both ranked Goblet of Fire so highly. That was always my favorite too, for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. Of all the books it had the most variety and action with the Tri-wizard Tournament and, each of those challenges felt like an adventure in itself. The only thing I remember missing from that book was that they didn't have Quidditch that year, but at least we still got some of that in the book with the World Cup at the start, and the way Harry secured the Golden Egg from the dragon was not unlike one his Quidditch matches either. Of the movies Goblet of Fire is probably my least favorite, because of how much they altered the tournament scenes.
I really wish Hagrid got a solid few months as a good teacher allowing the introduction of a few more cool creatures, and allow Hagrid to be himself for a portion of Prisoner, also could’ve used the first few classes to show Draco losing attention as he fails with creatures leading to the Hippogriff lesson
57:43 I thought so too. That’s why The Changeling by Annerb is one of my favorite fanfics of all time. It doesn’t just explore Slytherin!Ginny, but what ambition means to Slytherin girls, ancient incantations from Merlin’s era, overcoming house prejudice, enduring ostracism within your own house, redefining what it means to be a powerful witch… it’s so good.
My favorite is either the order of Phoenix or goblet of fire. I think goblet of fire is the better book, but order of the Phoenix came in a very vindicating time for me because I was a 15-year-old in high school with not one but two umbridge caliber teachers and I felt very seen when I read that
Per your statement that anyone's blood could have been used to resurrect Voldemort: I actually disagree. I believe that it has to be someone that Voldemort considers an enemy, not just anyone who opposes him. The other 2 ingredients in the graveyard are given from the perspective of Voldemort. It's HIS father, not just A father. It's HIS servant, not just A servant. So it stands to reason that blood of the enemy would have to be HIS enemy, not just AN enemy. Most people opposing Voldemort are more just generally opposed to what he represents moreso than the man himself. (i.e. it could've been any dark wizard, it just happens to be Voldemort this time) There's only 2 people that Voldemort would consider worthy enough of being HIS enemy: Harry and Dumbledore. They're the only two individuals that Voldemort shows anything akin to respect towards. Everyone else that's opposing him is just a fool, not worth his time. Like dirty dishes. "Eh, I'll get around to it eventually". Since he's terrified of Dumbledore, and with no feasible way to get him, he HAS to use Harry. (which he wanted to do anyway to get around the love protection) And with Harry, it's also personal both ways. Harry more directly opposes Voldemort himself because he killed his parents, as opposed to just his ideals. Voldemort is HIS enemy, and Harry is Voldemort's enemy.
A different perspective on the multiple uses of the Polyjuice potion in Deathly Hallows: Hermione takes it with them as a tool in a kit that is the best tool for certain tasks. If you are a carpenter, you'll keep around nails, screws, a hammer or two and multiple screwdrivers. Always using one particular tool to meet a particular need that arises is simply what you do. Furthermore there may be certain needs that don't arise everyday, but you can't always predict when they will arise so you keep that tool with you all the time. Hermione knew that when they ventured out into public, they would absolutely need to be disguised. As I recall, it is mentioned in passing that they go to get food using Polyjuice, as well as using Harry's cloak. Even if my memory isn't correct on whether that is mentioned, it would be a reason for Hermione to keep some around. In my reading of Deathly Hallows, this is what Polyjuice has become by then. It is no longer the key to anything, it is just a tool. Keep it around and use it when a particular job, like going to Godric's Hollow or Gringots calls for it. In neither case in the book is the Polyjuice potion THE key to success or failure. There are other factors at play. Nagini, being a horcrux, can sense Harry even with both the cloak and the disguise. Staff at Gringott's have reason to be suspicious when "Bellatrix" shows up. Polyjuice got them in the door, but it doesn't lead to success, or even keep them safe. Other factors are far more significant in the outcome of both of those ventures. Polyjuice BARELY keeps Harry's presence secret at Bill & Fleur's wedding. Luna recognizes him instantly and he all but gives himself away in his conversation with Viktor Krum, who probably would have put 2+2 together had he had more contact with wizards in Britain since Goblet of Fire.If Rita Skeeter or Cedric Diggory had been there, his memory of the weighing of the wands would likely have been tripped. He wasn't having direct contact with Fleur since she was the bride, but what if the wedding reception had ended peacefully and he started to talk to her? I think it is likely that he then might have at least started to wonder about the kid he had been talking to. The mission to the Ministry was nearly a total catastrophe from early on. The Polyjuice got them in, but it absolutely did not keep them safe. Yaxley had Hermione in his grip - enough that she had to take them to the forest instead of stopping at Grimmauld Place, and that made it impossible for them to return there. In the cases of the trip to the Ministry and the trip to Gringott's, the use of Polyjuice potion was almost their undoing, and not convenient way to succeed and for all of these reasons, I don't feel the use of Polyjuice was overdone. It would have been overdone if the characters conveniently escaped every little possible obstacle, but they don't. Instead in becomes a tool in the kit with risks as well as benefits.
1:27:01 Amazing video. All your points were so validating. Like when you were talking about not understanding the Hallows at first, we could all feel that
51:30 Voldemort probably didn’t want to go to the ministry if he didn’t have to cuz the minister was trying to pretend he didn’t exist, and Voldemort probably wanted to continue that for a while
My personal rank of the Harry Potter books are: 1. Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows 2. Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix 3. Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban 4. Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire 5. Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets 6. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer’s Stone 7. Harry Potter and The Half Blood The Half Blood Prince is a weird one for me because the whole Voldemort storyline and learning about him….It might be my favorite part of the series. But the whole Hermione and Ron constantly being mad at each other, all the pettiness and ridiculousness that comes out of their arguments, Harry and Hermione arguing over The Half Blood Prince book, Dumbledore’s death (I don’t love Dumbledore but his death was shocking and crazy to deal with). Snape finally getting Defense Against The Dark Arts and being a bigger bully than ever. I do love that Harry and Ginny get together. They’re really sweet together and their first kiss scene is insanely epic. Dean getting mad, Romilda breaking a glass, Hermione beaming, Ron’s confusion but acceptance over their relationship I love it. Harry and Ginny have such a sweet relationship whenever they’re just being themselves. That scene where they’re chilling out in the Gryffindor common room talking about Harry’s “Hippogriff Tattoo”…It’s so sweet and awesome.
Gotta redo this after Through the Griffin Door is finished. As for my ranking, 1. Half-Blood Prince 2. Goblet of Fire 3. Deathly Hallows 4. Prisoner of Azkaban 5. Philosophers Stone 6. Chamber of Secrets 7. Order of the Phoenix Sorry, it’s just too long with not enough meat to the story. I was especially disappointed after watching the movie which I think is paced perfectly.
I do not know that my ranking is going to be usual, and doubtless there will be many with the same opinion. 7-Prisoner of Azkaban, I do not like time travel stories, and while well done, it falls into the very thing I dislike about them. 6-Deathly Hallows-It was good, but.... 5-Half Blood Prince 4-Order of the Phoenix-"The more you tighten your grip, Ubridge, the further the school will slip from your control."-adapted dialogue from another franchise 3-Sorcerer's Stone (I know it should have been Philospher's stone, but I am American and that is the title 😁) 2-Chamber of Secrets-I enjoyed this book thoroughly 1-Goblet of Fire
1. Deathly Hallows - I love the change in setting, the action, the emotions, the finality, just all of it. 2. Order of the Phoenix - It's a little too long, but I can't say no to the Ministry scenes, the political subtext, Umbridge or the DA. 3. Goblet of Fire - Basically a tie with Prisoner, but I like how scaled up it is. 4. Prisoner of Azkaban - Probably the most basic of the series, but it still has a lot of great stuff and I love that it's the darkest of the first three. 5. Chamber of Secrets - It suffers from early book syndrome, but I've always loved the mystery aspect of it. 6. Sorcerer's Stone - Even worse in terms of early book syndrome, but as a standalone children's book, it's a modern classic. 7. Half-Blood Prince - I love the Riddle scenes and everything once they get to the cave, but I can't stand the romance subplots. I am open to debate, but my mind is made up.
I would flip Order and Half Blood, but other than that mine is the same. Order is without a doubt one of the best written books in the series, but the issue with that is that it's so incredibly frustrating to read. Like Harry is being all angry and frustrated with everyone the whole time, and I feel exactly the same way. Other the the DA scenes, which there aren't many of, the entire book just feels like people intentionally driving Harry crazy, and you as the reader feel that. And I know that's the point, where the Minestry is trying to make Harry's life difficult and Dumbledore and the Order are trying to keep Harry safe, but it's all too much for me. I could have dealt with it more if it's one at a time, like if Umbridge was the DADA teacher in Half Blood but Dumbledore was still having his lessons with Harry, and vice-versa if Dumbledore was keeping everything from Harry but you just had Slughorn as the potions master, but both at the same time is just too frustrating.
I'm with your explanation for Half-Blood Prince coming in last. Maybe it was because I was well into my 20s when that book came out, but the romance subplots overwhelmed everything else in the book for me, and not in a good way. I'm not someone who thinks that jealousy and relationship drama is entertaining, so you can imagine why that entire subplot didn't work for me. If it was supposed to sell me on those two relationships working long-term, it did the opposite.
@@chrisconcannon6490 The Ron and Hermione thing especially is understandable. It was mildly annoying, but it definitely wasn't a big enough deal for me to really affect my opinion on the book one way or another. And I do really like Harry and Ginny together. Ginny is such a great character ask throughout the books, and she's this sort of light in the darkness for Harry in Half Blood, especially once they start dating. I'm not usually big on relationship plot lines either, but I think that one works well.
While I don’t have it even close to last I agree with you about hbp. As an adult the romance aspect is definitely a little cringey at times. I definitely see a necessity for some of it as the characters mature, but it can be a bit much at times
Wait hold on one second there please fellas! Remus Lupin is one of the best teachers ever! no doubt about it. But better than Flitwick? Don't cast me as Prejudice for Ravenclaw but LUPIN could never be a dueling champion! Plus he's too tall! HUGE TARGET!
Ranking these books for most of us is like ranking your favorite childhood candies, you loved them all and even tho you don't consume them regularly these days the love for ALL of them is still there.
@@Itz_Mont Hey, 9 years and 8 years are practically the same man, no worries. I'm 30, so I didn't quite grow up on them, but my son was also born in 2015, and he definitely has!
The order of the Phoenix is my favourite (I know I know!!) - I read it repeatedly when I was 15, the same age as they are in the book, and what I love so much is seeing the normal side of Hogwarts. The classes, relationships develop, and it gave me a world where I could really develop and grow in my mind. I also related to the angst that they were going through. I guess the mundane-ness is the reason I love it, but also why so many people dislike it. I also ADORE the soundtrack to the Order of the Phoenix which I know isn’t strictly book related, but it’s definitely influenced. Which leads me to- will you rank the 8 Harry Potter soundtracks!
Been waiting For this one for a long time guys! Thanks For this Guys! You're the Best! My favorite is Goblet of fire! Your podcast has also been great 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think Draco's redemption arc is the same as Dudley's. Harrys 2 biggest antagonists really are his 2 bullies his cousin and his classmate. Dudley has his 'I don't think your a waste of space' and Draco has his face pulls to the Hermione torture and refuses to tell them its obviously Harry and his little acknowledgement at the end at the train station, which could just be a film thing no in the books. But he could have said 'yes its Harry' Voldemort is summoned immediately and then he kills his 2 friends and gets Harry's horcrux, maybe even actually killing him. So I think as a whole Draco could have gotten more definitely, but he absolutely got some definitely.
I grew up on the movies but just finished reading the series for the first time yesterday so you guys picked the perfect time to post this!🙌🏻 I’m so sad that my first read through is over.😭
My personal ranking is 1: Order of the Phoenix 2: Prisoner of Azkaban 3: Goblet of fire 4: Chamber of Secrets 5: Half Blood Prince 6: Deathly Hallows 7: Philosopher's Stone
What's your favorite book and why is it actually Travels with Trolls?
Goblet of fire! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 So epic. Loved the TWISTS
jokes on you, its actually Year with the Yeti
hot take but it’s actually wanderings with werewolves 😉
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Sorry, I'm a Gadding With Ghouls man through and through.
I think Harry's attitude in OotP is very overstated. He has extremely good reasons to be angry too. But he gets called out more than once and relaxes afterward. Kid's pretty reasonable despite massive PTSD and having a world's worth of stress on his shoulders.
Fr I'm on it rn and Hermione is constantly calling him out
Yes. However, it's mostly the connection between Harry's and Voldemort's mind influencing the behavior. That's why Dumbledore pushes the Occlumency lessons so hard in the middle of the night with Snape of all people. Harry doesn't understand what's going on, which makes he as himself more angry.
How is it that any trauma is automatically PTSD? How could you possibly know he has PTSD?
Let’s remember Harry isn’t just a moody 15 year old in OOTP - he’s literally suffering from PTSD after the graveyard! Watching Cedric die, seeing his parents - Wormtail cutting off his hand would be traumatizing enough. Then he has to return to an abusive household and kept in the dark for months. Would be enough to turn anyone “angsty”. Really he’s just been traumatized!
EDIT: Plus the amazing contributing comments below. I love the SCB community :)
Traumatized and then left alone to deal with it in isolation!!! And then victim-blamed and not believed and targeted by practically the whole Wizarding world!!!!
So true!!! Poor guy has had traumatic experiences each year at Hogwarts up till then, and quite possibly the worst until book 7! And that’s not mentioning his poor excuse of a childhood. Harry came into Hogwarts with PTSD, and it’s only been compounded since then. Plus puberty. Can’t forget that. Harry (and everyone else) needs to visit a Wizard therapist. I’m honestly quite proud of Harry handling everything as well as he did.
Doesn't change the faxt that book 5 is still a slog.
Not to mention lack of sleep from nightmares, having to relive trauma again and again through his “lessons” with Snape, being tortured by Umbridge and gaslit by the entire wizarding community, and deprived of his favorite activities like Quidditch. Yeah I think I’d be a bit angsty and peeved too. But Order shows the power of standing up for the truth and what the consequences of that could be. It’s one of the most psychologically deep books out of the series.
@@mr.crispyfriedchicken3946 YES, the victim-blaming is so frustrating!
One detail about Horace Slughorn that I want people to remember: he, a consummate Slytherin, duelled Voldemort alongside McGonagall and Kingsley. When the critical moment came, he stepped up to fight the most lethal wizard in the world. Respect.
Love that. Thank you for mentioning it.
Man, why does stuff like this make me teary-eyed? Geez louise
Yeah, Slughorn represents the "good" version of the Slytherin "values". Yes he is elitist, looks for his own advantage and is a bit manipulative. But he also connects other people he believes are talented, presents them opportunities, builds lifelong connections and has moral values that he puts first when it really matters.
It goes to show slytherins are not all evil. Ambition doesn’t mean evil
People sorting themselves into slytherin on pottermore has really given people rose colored glasses when it comes to the house. Slughorn being against Voldemort doesnt even really make him a good person when you consider they wanted him dead, it wouldnt even make him a good person if they wanted him alive. Opposing a bluntly evil and irredeemable character that basically represents an end to the world as it stands isnt even a virtue, how low must we stoop to give slytherin something to feel noble about?
"teach your son better villany dude" is gold, I really don't know how Lucius lives with himself
Okay this sounds like that scene in movie 7 part 2 where Voldemort asks him the same question but I totally agree!
@@PotterGeek0731lol that's what I was going for, I should of put (in Voldemort voice) in brackets
@@jessylee9202 “How can you live with yourself Lucius?”
“I don’t know…”
my theory is the Lucius is purposely sabotaging Draco, so he finds the "dark side" unappealing, to ultimately save his son and direct him to the "light side" (safer side). otherwise, why would he send him to Hogwarts where the light side captain is the headmaster, and all the good guys teach instead of Drumstrang or something.
@@SlyviaElanor he did originally want to send him to Durmstrang but his mother didn’t want him that far away so he went to hogwarts instead, and thank goodness he did… maybe or maybe not, that would make an interesting what if…
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More valuable than Jury duty 😂👏👏👏
Got the craziest Ad timing ever watching this video: The clip of Hedwig dying happened then immediately an Ad started for Stouffer’s Food saying “Hmm Whats for Dinner?”
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That’s hilariously dark 😂😭🦉
1:24:47 - going along with your marauders/golden trio+co parallels, i’ve always felt like draco sort of mirrored regulus! both were raised to be death eaters, both realized their wrongs only after they were in too deep. however brave he was, it was too late for regulus to do anything but die a hero. draco, on the other hand, got the chance to grow and become a good man. this also adds a whole new layer to narcissa’s fear for draco - regulus was her little cousin, she’s seen firsthand how dangerous it is to be “just a boy”.
Nah dude, Regulus realises that he was in the wrong sure. But Draco (and the whole Malfoy family) just falls out of grace with Voldemort and just acts out of self preservation.
@@MatSjo no yeah i completely agree that regulus had a full redemption, my point is that he didn’t get to live past it. draco might not have had a complete redemption arc, but he does have the opportunity to grow up and grow into it, and i would argue that he does show signs of this in deathly hallows when he refuses to identify harry for bellatrix. in that situation, it was in his best interest to give the trio up, but he knew it was wrong and so he kept his mouth shut. obviously he has a long way to go! but he actually gets to live it out, unlike regulus.
@@claires-bearsAlso, Narccisa doesn't know what happened to Regulas No one really does, all she'll hear is that he died trying to run away
The reason Umbridge is so triggering is that she represents the kind of petty, bureaucratic evil we've all experienced. There really aren't supervillains like Voldemort, but reading HOA stories on Reddit tells you there are Umbridges everywhere.
That's my take as well. The worst part for me is that if you just read the books and none of the supplemental stuff, Umbridge basically gets away with everything she did. She apparently didn't even lose her job and was given free rein to purge muggleborns and anyone else she deemed "unworthy" of having magic after Voldemort took over.
I know the supplemental stuff says she was eventually hauled off to Azkaban, but my personal favorite head canon of her fate is that the dementors she brought with her for "protection" when she was interrogating muggleborns (and others she thought "undesirable") had a little snack after Harry knocked her unconscious and the trio got away. After what she tried to do to Harry two years before, I think it would have been poetic justice for her to get the Dementor's Kiss from the very dementors she was using to "protect" her.
IS DOLORES A MAGICAL KAREN?
they bring this up just about every time they talk abour Umbridge, I'm surprised it didn't come up here
Reddit mods are like the Ministry of Magic ran by Death Eaters. They have all of these rules (that they don’t even follow) and they ban anyone that has an opinion that doesn’t match their own.
Man... am I the only one whose favorite book is Order of the Phoenix?? I genuinely love the complex array of emotions that book makes me genuonely feel, from hatred and disgust for Umbridge and the ministry to pity for Cho and especially Harry and respect for Hermione and Harry and all the members of DA. I also absolutely love the DA and Harry's real time in the sun as not just someone who's overcoming these obstacles through luck or circumstance but it being shown that he does have this genuine skill in this area in addition to the circumstances around him. I just love that book and could gush about it forever
💯 I'm on your side! I feel like people didn't like it because "Harry was so angry", but as someone who experienced death at a young age, I really related to hin in that book. Plus, there is so much emphasis on the other characters, which was fun. And the DA...come on people! Man, I must have read that book a thousand times!!
You're not the only one! My favorite is Order of the Phoenix too, though Prisoner is really good to.
Not the only one. That is one of my favorite books. Also maybe because I have more personal memories attached to it. I borrowed first 4 books to read from a friend. 5th one didn't come out yet. I was saving pocket money to buy it as I barely had any allowance from parents. I think it took me half a year to get the money and I had a special discount coupon for book purchase on the first day. After I bought it, I read it in 1 day. I was reading all day until 6am next morning. My mom woke up and was mad at me when I literally had last chapter to read. I finished the last chapter while sitting at the last desk at geography class while hiding the book behind the geography textbook. And boy I hated umbridge, but I didn't mind the feeling as I was so invested in the book. Also I was proud of myself finishing a 600page book as a high schooler.
Y'all're weird, man... OotP ACTIVELY makes me angry. During the years I was actively re-reading the series, I would get so bummed when I would finish GoF & realize that OotP was next & every time I would consider abandoning the re-read or skipping OotP, but I would end up re-reading it & EVERY... TIME... I hated every page. Its just such a slog & unpleasant.
5th is my favorite as well !!! 💙🩵
People complain that Harry is too angsty and annoying in OotP but it's my favorite book in the series because I think his angsty-ness is very cathartic. Throughout the books I think about how Harry /should/ be mad about what is happening to him. He should be mad at how he's been treated by everyone around him and what he is expected to do. It makes me feel really good during OotP because the entire time I'm like "YES HARRY BE MAD" I love to see him express those angry and resentful emotions during the book because I don't feel like he really does in any of the other books. It makes Harry feel more real.
The best way I can articulate my feelings on the first book is when you're replaying your favorite videos game and you have to go back through the tutorial at the beginning just anxious for the beef of the story to kick off
How hilarious is it that it took an entire school year for the Ministry of Magic to decide whether one Hippogryph would die or not, and the crime was barely scratching a student. 😂 The amount of time that wasted for so many wizard adults.
Beurocracy at its finest.
Well have you seen how long it takes governments to do things in the real world? The ministry were efficient in comparison lol
Very efficient compared to actual muggle governments lol
As others have said its in keeping with our world. But also ask yourself this: if its as small and unimportant as one hippogryphs execution over a small injury, wouldnt that make it a non-urgent issue? If my boat had a bunch of leaky holes in it my first thought wouldnt be to polish the mast.
It's even funnier in the movie because Buckbeak doesn't even scratch Draco, he just pushes him. They thought that was a crime punishable by death.
Video idea: What if Lucius Malfoy sent the diary with Ron instead of Ginny his first year? (i.e. the same year the Hogwarts staff is hiding the Philosopher’s Stone)
What would it have been like for Harry essentially dealing with both the plots of the first two books his first year?
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Too specific of a concept imo. You just trying to merge two different plot lines into one book on top of who the plot affected...you pretty much just rewrite the whole series at that point
@@antonypost19I disagree. With the risks associated with the monster, where would the stone go? Where would Harry meet Quirrel/Voldemort? Could he defeat the basilisk, diary Riddle, Quirrel, and Voldemort all at once his first year? Would Voldemort prime reunite with his former self? Does Lucius rejoin Voldemort earlier? Would Flamel stay alive?
There are a ton of questions this scenario brings up
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k exactly my point 🤦♂️. It's too convoluted to come up with an actual story that would still make sense for the rest of the series to happen.
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k notice how it all the bothers "what if" videos, the books still end up having the same overall ending as far as plot points. What you're suggesting is just a completely different story altogether
Growing up, I 10,000% thought Harry’s dragon was gonna be Norbert! Missed opportunity
I first read this series in 2nd grade and have been re and rereading them ever since. My ranking:
7. The Chamber of Secrets- This book has always bugged me for many of the reasons Ben brought up: The convoluted way of getting Harry, Ron, and Lockhart into the chamber, although I do think the teachers calling Lockheart's bluff wasn't putting off the problem, only getting Lockheart out of the way of them actually doing their jobs. It is hard to bring up anything more than that because I love this book so much but if I had to pick one to cram to the bottom of my bag to only fish out when I want to reexperience a one of the phenominal moments from this it, it would be this one. Plus, the idea of the giant spiders, giant snakes, and just minding your own business and being petrified by a giant snake terrified me as a kid. Humm, so many giant creatures in this one, maybe I'm afraid of giants.
6. The Deathly Hollows- Hey J, sorry for putting this one so low, I promise I still love it. Anyway, this story had so many good parts, Snape's reveal, the Battle of Hogwarts, breaking into Gringotts, riding a dragon, Malfoy Manor, the sword in the lake, Bill and Fleur's wedding, Shell Cottage, The Battle of the Seven Potters, Xenophilius Lovegood's house, Godric's Hollow. So many amazing things but the one thing with this book that has always urked me is that there is so much saddness and miserableness in between, they are camping for most of the book, they keep losing friends to terrible circumstances! Ron is mean, they lose Kreacher just after he finally finds love, Mad-Eye dies, Hedwig dies, they get tricked by Nagini, they kept getting knocked down again and again and even though they always got back up, this one dragged on for me and I had to put it down a few times because I was so upset with Ron or Yaxley or Harry. I also have always found the ministry heist a bummer and, for real, they use polyjuice potion five times! The Battle of the Seven Potters, the wedding, The Ministry break in, Godric's Hollow, the Gringotts break in, they never even get close to running out. I think Moody's stash could've easily been a lot smaller than it was. This one has always bumped me a little but there are still so many more things I love about this one than that I dislike.
5. The Sorcerer's Stone- I cannot deny, like Ben, this one definitely won some brownie points for being the first but it really was such a good first that it deserves those brownie points! Just thinking about how perfectly constructed this book is, makes me want to read it again to make sure I wasn't imagining the whole thing. We got magic; we got scary two-faces on one head reveal; we got Neville learning to stand up for himself, which I don't think we ever think about because it became his new normal but Neville was being straight up physically bullied in his first year; we got Dudley pig tail, kinda horrifying if you think about it, and we got the golden trio coming together, which was perfectly and reasonably paced so that we were so glad and so happy that those three became friends. This one is special in so many ways but in the largest part because it hooked all of us, otherwise we wouldn't be here to click on this video today.
4. The Order of the Phoenix- No one can deny Umbridge's impact on this series, no one! She was the first villain we've fully hated, no questions asked; she was the reason we got Weasley's Wizards Weazes in the next one; she even appears in every book after to stick her snout into the golden trio's lives for all eternity if she could. On a different not, I never saw Harry as being eternaly anxsty in this one, I just thought he was traumatized, he was being oppressed by Umbridge and Dumbledore, and he was a teen with no guiding light because all of his parental figures were either argueing with one another or afraid that he was secretly a plant for Voldemort. He was having a rough go of it but he still found time to be happy during Christmas and proud of his students because he deserved to be. And, don't forget folks, this is when we first got introduced to Luna Lovegood, how can you write this one off? Just look at her and listen to jim Dale work his audio magic!
3. The Prisoner of Azkaban- This is one of my favorites to reread, especially as I fall asleep, I get the best dreams. I agree with J and Ben, the Hagrid-Buckbeak-Draco plotline, it wasn't the most interesting or realistic but I find merit in the way that it impacts Hermione, Ron, and Harry's relationships. When Hermione and Ron are fighting about Crookshanks and Scabbers and Harry is mad at Hermione for the Firebolt situation, Hermione continues to help Hagrid when the boys wouldn't because that is the kind of person she is. And, she was right about Sirius having sent the Firebolt to Harry. I just love the degree of depth and empathy we get from Hermione in this plotline and I can't discount how much it really really made me fall in love with her character. + Marauders + L + rat-io
2. The Goblet of Fire- A definite masterpiece of storytelling. If y'all haven't watched Jed Herne's video on sub-plots in fiction, he really digs deep into the things we all love about this book from Rita Skeeter to Bartie Crouch Jr., this book has it all. Cedric is the perfect spare, Hermione branches out from Harry and Ron with Krum, Hagrid comes out of his shell with Madame Maxime, Ron is revealed to be a jealous toxic character who is promising us some growth,and we get the first steps to Weasley's Wizard Weazes.
1. The Half-blood Prince- I loved this book from start to finish, Slughorn, Dumbledore bullying the Dursleys, Hermione's coolness under stress(minus Mcclaggin), Ron realizing his true feelings, Harry as the quidditch captain, but my alltime favorite piece of this whole thing is Draco's journey. Draco just became a whole new person through this story, we see him cry, disagreeing with Crabbe and Goyle, being resentful towards Snape, being an actual unsure teenager, and feeling alone. Chef's kiss~
It broke my heart to see Prisoner ranked so low, and I liked it for all of the reasons they didn’t. I love that Voldemort wasn’t in it because after the first two the reader is kinda like “queue Voldemort” and he doesn’t show!!!! It’s awesome! I was glad to see Goblet ranked so high though. When I got that book when I was a kid, I was so enthralled I read almost the entire thing in a day and I had no idea the day passed. My mom came home from work and I thought she had forgotten something and come back, but actually she had been at work all day 😅.
I am glad J ranked Order of the Phoenix so low. I agree that the prophecy seems flimsy.
Yeah, Prisoner of Azkaban felt like the filler episode of the show away from the main plotline, but that doesn't mean it isn't good.
Prisoner of Azkaban is the best of the books.
McGonagall's sass to Umbridge singlehandedly carries Order of the Phoenix
56:58 _"There were books written between [Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows] about what might happen."_
Could we get a video on these books? That sounds like a very interesting topic.
You had to be there. There's not much point now. We all know the story. You can look up the books though.
I always read when the professors tell Lockhart to deal with the chamber as "You play over there while the grownups talk." Harry being 12 just misunderstood their meaning.
It's also worth considering the reason they weren't racing to save Ginny is that the message heavily implied she was already dead. Their duty of care was to the other students.
Oh 100% it was exactly that! Maybe even hoping that he would run like he tries to do so they won't have to deal with him being in their way
@projectnightfall6882 which definitely fits which the grownups are talking
Same, I always read that as them getting rid of the distraction so they could focus on the real work, with Harry and Ron just not picking up on that because they're kids. The fact that they don't end up in the Chamber with them doesn't mean they just went to bed, just that they were caring for other students and formulating a plan (which would be tricky!)
I paused the video to come say this. The other professors didn't even know Ron and Harry were there with info, they hid in the closet during the whole conversation with Lockhart.
I read HBP in one night, while working as an archaeologist in Poland. I remember having a deep conversation the next day with a fellow arch while mourning Dumbledore. That moment is still a core memory for me. ❤
Prisoner is also the first time Harry really shines as a Wizard. Learning the Patronus Charm at 13 is pretty crazy
Is it though? He teaches other students to use it. We're always told it's impressive but never actually given a reason why.
@@InWitheNew We are told why. Lupin says that Harry has experienced more trauma than any other student his age. He’s STILL able to channel his positivity into a corporeal patronus. We’re also told that many adult wizards can’t do it, but he can at 13.
I’ve read/ listened to this series atleast 100 times by now and I genuinely can not come up with a list for this. Each book that I think of has to be in the top 3 and I’ve come to the conclusion that I love them all the same.
i've listen to the audiobooks at least 100 too and definitely have favorites , its not something i can tell you the list , its more like chapter by chapter
I know Prisoner is my favorite, but after that it's a 6 way tie for 2nd.
I think I really like them all except Deathly Hallows. That has nice moments but ruins the horcruxes storyline with the out-of-nowhere elder wand stuff and then the ending is so abrupt with a cringey tag-on flash forward
Each book has it's own vibe in a way that makes it hard for me to compare them. It's hard to say one is better or worse because they're all kind of doing different things
My Roman Empire and maybe my favorite movie change is the timing of when Fawkes heals Harry. In the book Fawkes heals him BEFORE he stabs the diary. They switch it in the movie so that Harry stabs the diary while in agony and believing he’s about to die, but uses what he thinks are his last moments to save Ginny. That’s WAY better and a way better reflection of Harry’s nature.
in regards to lockheart, they don’t actually expect him to do anything. They can’t do anything because no one knows where the chamber is, them telling him to save ginny (since he has proclaimed he knows where it is) is them calling his bluff to make him leave. it’s to get him out of the way. Why do ron and harry think he’s going to do anything? that i don’t know.
Because they are very young students who expect adults to know what they are doing. They are so callow that Lockhart must elaborate in detail the nature of his villainy. Only then do they see how terrible he is.
Cos they're 12... and imensely niave.
Shockingly, I read the books for the first time this summer, and I’ve been absolutely obsessed with the Wizarding World since. I love this channel, as I was craving a deeper dive into the lore and having burning, unresolved questions answered, and you guys absolutely have satisfied that for me! I’ve also been listening to Through the Griffin Door, and I’ve had the urge to share my own thought about the series. I’m not sure if you have already talked about this in other videos (I’m just scratching the surface on all your content), but I feel confident the entire series was written using a literary device called a chiasmus. This means the themes presented in the first half of the series reflect in the second half, with the moment that the plot begins to mirror itself is in the chapter Priori Incantatem, where Voldemort’s spells begin to seep out of his wand in reverse. So, themes, characters, plot points and artifacts from Pholosopher’s Stone show up in Deathly Hallows, things in Chamber reappear in Half-Blood, and things in Prisoner return in Order. I really feel like this is true, and makes me appreciate the series and the deep thought and planning that went into this beautiful work.
Fawkes showing up wasn’t a fluke. Dumbledor has the light put outer. So he can hear when people are talking about him by name. Which Harry does while talking to diary Voldemort.
That is a great point. To me, one clarification. You can hear when your name is used by those who you care for. I say this because Ron heard Hermione use his name.
MIND BLOWN
it isnt as much as fluke or not that he is but how much he does. Only cure to venom that is one of few things that can destroy horcrux and was able to blind snake and bring sword to the place that was not reachable by ghost
It's called the deluminator, lol.
@@MarkHogan994
We silly muggles. We just don’t get all the terms right sometimes.
Ben Ranking:
7: Chamber of Secrets
6: Prisoner of Azkaban
5: Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone
4: Order of the Phoenix
3: Deathly Hallows
2: Half-Blood Prince
1: Goblet of Fire
J's Ranking:
7: Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone
6: Order of the Phoenix
5: Chamber of Secrets
4: Prisoner of Azkaban
3: Half-Blood Prince
2: Goblet of Fire
1: Deathly Hallows
Average Ranking Betwixt Them:
6/7: Philosopher’s Stone/Chamber of Secrets
4/5: Prisoner of Azkaban/Order of the Phoenix
3: Half Blood Prince
2: Deathly Hallows
1: Goblet of Fire
Thanks, that is helpful
Thank you! Having this up while they discussed really helped me follow along better
THANK YOU! I have no clue why they didn't summarize/list this in the video themselves
@@NotAnotherDouc- agreed
I'm so glad you guys had a parent who would read the books to you. My parents forbade me from reading them and I read books 1-5 on my own. I had a long bus ride in middle school, so I would read on the bus and then sneak the book in my backpack. When book 6 came out, my mom went to Barnes and Noble the day it came out and got me a copy. This core memory is a part of the reason why Half Blood Prince is my favorite.
I literally searched this exact thing on your channel 2 days ago and was completely surprised you had never done it. What a coincidence
Molly and Harry’s hospital wing scene in GoF makes it my favorite book. I bawl my eyes out everytime I read it. I get choked up when I explain it to friends as well lol
Thank you for the Cat, Rat, Dog shout out. That was my fave chapter for the longest time
#1 - Half Blood Prince
#2 - Deathly Hallows
#3 - Goblet of Fire
#4 - Prizoner of Azkaban
#5 - Order of the Pheonix
#6 - Chamber of Secrets
#7 - Philosopher's Stone
very solid. would switch 6 & 7 and potentially 2 & 3
#1 - Goblet
#2 -prince
#3-Hallows
#4-Prisoner
#5- philosophers
#6-Chamber
#7-Phoenix
#-1000 -Fanfiction Child
@@Charizardlison Yup
Here's mine -
1 goblet
2 prisoner
3 pheonix
4 prince
5 hallows
6 chamber
7 sorcerer
4 hallows
I always catch a little bit of heat for my list but heres my ranks...
1. Chamber of Secrets
2. Prisoner of Azkaban
3. Goblet of Fire
4. Half Blood Prince
5. Order of the Phoenix
6. Philosophers Stone
7. deathly Hallows
You know what swap 5 and 6 and i totally agree
@@culdog614 that's fair, honestly the last 3 are interchangeable for me and that's just where I'd put them on that day. If you asked me today I'd stay mostly the same but 5 and 7 would've swapped.
Easy to see why
Reading through the comments, the thing I love most is that there is actually no consensus on which book is best. Every book has its specific purpose in the overall story, and they all deliver. There isn't really a "weak point" because every book has its own charm and moments that stick with you. Ootp will always be my number one, but the rest of my personal list changes every time I reread the books. I just think it's incredible how well the overall story is told, and it was absolutely amazing to be part of this phenomenon in real time as each book was released. There was never anything like it, and i seriously doubt there could be again. Just an incredible body of work that contributed so much to young adult's literature. I am so proud and happy to be part of this community. Much love to you all xx
Deathly Hallows has SO MANY little moments that pay off BIG later on. All of the small details or prophecies or random facts….they just all get payed off SO WELL! I love it
The „care-of-magical-teachers-creature“ killed me 😅
You guys putting Prisoner in 4/6 made me actually gasp out loud as it's my favourite book.
My personal rankings would go
1 - Prisoner
2 - Order
3 - Goblet
4 - Stone
5 - Hallows
6 - Chamber
7 - Prince
Please do a what if Draco was in Gryffindor and what if Dudley was a wizard!
Would Draco in Gryffindor even be possible? He’d have to be a completely different person for that
@@HugoGojibiterI think it is possible. In the original story, Draco is self-seeking, a trait associated with Slytherin, but not really too ambitious. For Draco to be Gryffindor, he’d have to just not be as self-seeking. Draco would grow up hearing about the daring exploits of his dad in the name of protecting wizardkind. Draco believes this is noble, and wants to continue that line of bravery, even if it’s technically evil. The sorting hat sees this nerve and judges him best suited for Gryffindor.
I mean I would watch these
@@AkhilNagulapalli-f5k not to mention they went partially down this tangent on one of the podcasts and it was interest and now I just want MORE details!
I much prefer the idea that Dudley marries a Muggle, but ends up with magic kids. That story would be fascinating.
"Holly... Wood!?" 🤯 Love it
1) Order of the Phoenix
2) Deathly Hallows
3) Goblet of Fire
4) Sorcerer’s Stone
5) Prisoner of Azkaban
6) Chamber of Secrets
7) Half Blood Prince
Harry should have been closer to Lupin, he relied on him as a mentor for a whole year and only knew Sirius for an hour before they separated at the end of Prisoner. I never understood the leap from complete stranger to the most trusted confidant from the end of Prisoner to the start of Goblet.
Lupin character gets misplaced post poa ending i felt.
But at the same time, Lupin was very reluctant, a coward even. He didnt seek Harry out, the orphan child of his childhood friends who even made themselves animagi for him, not once did he try to contact Harry before Azkaban and even during that book, he reveals he knew his parents far too late after Harry's prompts.
@@thorthewolf8801 probably just due to the fact that Dumbledore told him not too.
@@saulgoodman8501Hagrid was appaled that Harry didnt know anything about the wizarding world, and Harry had his hand constantly shaken by random wizards on the street. From that, I dont think anything supports that Dumbledore would have told Lupin that.
Sirius gave Harry the one thing that he's always wanted more than anything else, though. When Harry looks into the mirror of erised, he sees him with family. Sirius is the closest thing Harry has ever had to that. He's his actual godfather, he offered him a home, and he genuinely loves him. How could an orphan boy not latch on to that. It doesn't make as much logical sense, but it makes a terrible amount of emotional sense. It doesn't matter how well he knows him, Sirius represents the only thing Harry ever really wanted.
Please bring movieflame back more frequently, you guys have such a deep knowledge on harry potter that would lend itself so well to future j vs ben’s with him
1 Order of the Phoenix
2 Goblet of Fire
3 Prisoner of Askaban
4 Half Blood Prince
5 Deathly Hallows
6 Sorcerers Stone/ Philosopher Stone
7 Chamber of Secrets
This is my order. I always loved OotP. It might seemed too long for most people but I’m hoping that they realize how important it actually is in the whole story in “Through the Griffin Door.” It is the book if I did patron I would want a page from that book
Same OOTP is my fave
Yes , exactly not the same as my list but great . Just would interchange 6 and 7
And 1 and 2
Book 5 is my favorite. To me it’s the most relatable and realistic. It teaches so many life lessons about big things. I was surprised you didn’t mention Luna in your discussion of it!
The biggest issue I have with Deathly Hallows is that the "payoffs" seem a bit forced and kinda seem to contradict previous lore. Expeliarmus changing the loyalties of wands? Like, why didn't this happen when they were in the DA? Why didn't this happen when Lupin disarmed the Golden Trio in Poisoner? Why didn't Bellatrix's wand give its loyalty to Ron? And for Draco's wand core being unicorn hair, it's supposed to be the most loyal of wand cores, but it changed loyalty due to Harry taking it from him?
Not all wands are as flimsy with their loyalty as the Elder Wand. While the changing allegiance of the wands is a big plot point, there are only two instances of it: the Elder Wand and Draco's wand. The Elder Wand isn't loyal at all. It's willing to switch if there is a more powerful master available. Draco's wand has not been explained, but Draco has been going through a lot, so his wand may have started growing apart from him. Not all wands will leave though. Some are really loyal and will only stay loyal to the original owner.
I really hate all that nonsensical wand lore
Isn't the obvious explanation simply that practice and sparring isn't a real fight, and so loyalty of a wand wouldn't change because of the lack of hostile intent. During a fight, I disarm you to overpower you against your will, during practice we are learning with no ill intent. And maybe more importantly, during practice the wands are given back willingly after.
@@RandomCarrot2806 Okay, what about when Lupin disarmed the Golden Trio? What about when the Golden Trio disarmed Snape 10 minutes later? Why would the Death Eaters’ wands still obey them after being captured (you can’t seriously tell me that not one was disarmed)?
@@crawdaddy1234 Well, for starters what stops any of the death eaters from getting new wands? Same for Snape, it's not like if your wand ever breaks or you lose it that you simply have to spend the rest of your life wand less.
In book 1, we see how tough it was for Harry to be matched with a wand, but that was a clear abboration of what normally occurs, as evident by Ollivanders words during it, with the later implication that it probably had a lot to do with a fragment of Voldemort's soul within Harry messing up the process. But we have no reason to think there would ever only be one unique wand to match every witch or wizard.
When they say "i remember laying on the bed and Dad was reading the first book to us...." And you just FEEL the wrinkles as you think "how much younger than i are these kids, since i read them all myself as they came out?" . Rip my knees
your knees?
@@failurenotsorry6600They're saying that J and B must be a lot younger than that person, because their dad was reading it to them as kids, but this person read it themselves when they were seemingly older at that time.
I am their age (at least the same high school graduation year as J) and I also read the books to myself. There is also a third, younger Carlin brother who was probably just too little to read the books alone at the time. J and Ben also might have been a little younger than I was when they were introduced to the books (between books 3-4). It just seems nice that their family did this regardless of their ages at the time.
@@failurenotsorry6600 ie: suddenly i feel OLD, watching these "kids" go over the books. I'm young enough to have grown up with them, but not to the same degree, and it makes me feel older than i am
My mom read the first three books to my sister and I, but when nobody was looking I'd sneak off and read ahead because I was too curious to wait, and then when she'd read it next I'd act surprised when something big happened to cover it up.
The Order didn't care about the consequences of Voldemort getting the prophecy. They cared that Voldemort was expending the resources and risking exposing his return by trying to get at it, and that he was holding off on any full-blown assaults until he was sure what the prophecy said.
I love them talking about the Mad Eye twist in Goblet. They describe it like "What!? That guy who loved torturing kids and putting one in magical gladiator fights, him!? He was EVIL!?!?!"
Like, I'm not saying that I called the twist, but i just died the way they were talking about.
Wow, 1 1/2 hr video! 😮🎉🙌🏼 So fun! Timestamps for your enjoyment! 😊
1:30 - Philosopher’s Stone
12:52 - Chamber of Secrets
22:57 - Prisoner of Azkaban
35:22 - Goblet of Fire
44:49 - Order of the Phoenix
56:23 - Half Blood Prince
1:09:24 - Deathly Hallows
Philosopher’s Stone is one of my favourite books, purely on the nostalgia front and it being our introduction to the wizarding world…
I used to read all the previous books before a new book came out as a child, so it is definitely the book I’ve read the most number of times.
There is so much of it that becomes more relevant or takes new meaning when you have knowledge of where the later books go
It probably also helps that I went to an old school in UK that was designed to mirror a castle on the other side of the valley in a late victorian/ gothic revival style - it had towers (one of which was crenellated), cloisters, grand staircases, a quad, expansive grounds, big old wooden doors, hidden WW2 tunnels (if you knew how to get into them), a caretakers cottage and a great hall. It even had four school houses, assigned the colours red, green, yellow and blue.
So I’m as much nostalgic for the awe I felt going to that school for the first time at the age of 11 as I am for Harry’s experience of going to Hogwarts.
You know, I just realized that the Mirror of Erised's protection of the stone can be pretty easily overcome by Voldemort if Quirell left the chamber undetected and came back the next night with a student. He then threatens to kill said student's family and/or friends if they don't retrieve the stone from the mirror. Now that student has a desire to find the stone but not use it, in order to save their loved ones.
Huh, nice plot hole. I wonder if their biggest wish would be to survive though, not necessarily finding the stone. Hard to say.
But would they realize that that's the protection?
@@andreiiancu8969 Maybe. Voldemort told Quirell to "Use the boy" when Harry showed up, so it's likely that Voldemort would reach that idea on his own eventually.
Idk if that would work. Dumbledore specifically says “someone who wanted the stone, but not use it…” and getting the stone to then give to Voldemort to use, seems exactly what Dumbledore meant. Harry got the stone because he wanted it to keep it AWAY from Voldemort and stop it from being used. If the student only wanted it to save themselves, to them turn it over to Quirrell and Voldemort, that defeats the purpose. It’s the exact opposite of what Harry wanted it for. I don’t think it would work like that. And as someone said above, the true desire wouldn’t be to get the stone, it would be to survive or save their family…
It could have been Dumbledore's test of Harry's character. Dumbledore needed to find out if Harry had a desire for wealth and if he was frightened of death.
I love the line: “i think you are trying to give more meaning to it than originally intended” at around 12:45.
Basically a summary of the channel😂
Love the video’s guys!
I’m gunning for my favorite Prisoner of Azkaban!!
This is my favorite book as well
Honestly, it's always bored me. Even after recently re-reading it, I just wasn't that invested in what was going on.
@@jish55 Thats what shocked me soo much that they said in the video. Its always been top 3 for me. Never even wavered. Ive always loved Loopin and Serius they could probably be in my top 10 characters, love Hagrid getting big emotional arcs not just some offscreen stuff happens that he then tells the kids about. Like the first book he was literally just a story device used for explaining stuff to the kids and why they knew too much and the second I felt he wasnt even in that much. Love Buckbeak and everything in the book just felt world biulding and slice of life. Voldemort cant be the problem every single year or that would be boring and old by the end, but yet it still leads into that because without Peter being found out and returning or Sirius breaking out, we dont really get anything from Goblet or him returning because the main helpers were Peter and I geuss Barty Jr but would he have gotten away from his fathers keep without the dark lord possibly returning? I geuss its a personal thing, but its just always been up there for me and im actually shocked when people rank it low. I dont even know what can be boring in it, if im honest. And I didnt even mention the awsome time turners or just the cool classes and learning we got from Pirisoner.
And its very similar to 5 in my opinion which is my favourite and in the video they also didnt rank 5 too high, which i was shocked with. Is it 50/50 you love them both or rank them both low?
Same!! I think it’s the book where Harry is happiest
@@Eden_Esther Yes! Maybe the first one hes a kid, finally has friends, has magic, its so much wonder and joy but I think the 3rd he has family that love him, sure not biological, but Sirius and Lupin are family, the whole Leaky Cauldron time hes just a teenager having a cool holiday in london basically, ice creams everyday, then his friends and his other psudo or future married into family show up and he's so joyous, his happieness is literally how he has the patronas and its corporial!! Also the music notes when he talks to Lupin on the bridge in the film and its so emotional almost get me everytime with tears of joy, just because he has found his family after all this time. And they were obviously soo soo close, because he is Teddys godfather, even though he probably shares custody with the Tonk's when he is old enough to raise a kid and they are extra old, he probably takes primary care. So is a father to this guys son!
And then 5 he has an entire army of friends! and family all in Grimmauld Place, that would die for him like family and who half of them do.
They bring so much joy that people seem to forget about and its that most familial joy that cant be beaten, even by some flying brushes, magic sticks and some old guys in dresses
5 is my favorite book. 1. I love revolutionary Harry (rebellions are so fun) 2. The end is awesome 3. Mcgonagall is really snarky to Umbridge and I love it.
The book ranking videoes are always interesting..as it reshares the emotion of reading the books
I will never NOT love a ranking. I haven't made it 5 minutes in but I'm obsessed with the fact that this video is an hour and a half
Regarding the "I am Lord Voldemort" - the first time I read that book, I literally stopped what I was doing, sat down, and figured out that it actually worked.
I like that mental image of reading books while walking around?
@@Leenapanther I mean, I did that when I was in 3rd grade (I was kind of a weird kid, still am in fact) but no, I just literally put the book down, wrote out “Tom Marvolo Riddle” and solved it…
In regards to your commentaqry on Order of the Phoenix, I knew the most AMAZING Umbridge cos-player. The Harry Potter fandom when these books and movies first came out was EPIC, and people CRUSHED their costumes!
Philosopher stone 6
Chamber of secrets 5
Prisoner of azkaban 3
Goblet of fire 2
Order of phoenix 7
Half blood prince 1
Deathly hallows 4
Let's go I can't wait to watch! I love long ranking videos, especially on Harry Potter lol. My list would be:
1) GoF
2) DH
3) OotP
4) PoA
5) HBP
6) CoS
7) PS
On Lupin assigning the vampire essay: at first I thought it was Lupin trying to out Snape as a vampire, but the more I think about it, I actually think it was Lupin trying to throw off anyone who thought he was a werewolf. Like, of course Snape can't be a vampire, therefore Lupin can't be a werewolf, Snape was just being Snape.
I love that you had envelopes so that you could do the open envelope reveals, then just wrote the numbers on the back like they were notecards
There might be some hot takes in here, but:
1) Goblet of Fire
2) Sorcerer's Stone
3) Prisoner of Azkaban
4) Half-Blood Prince
5) Chamber of Secrets
6) Deathly Hallows
7) Order of the Phoenix
We share the bottom 2
@@jerameymanuel9083 I have to disagree with J, I think the way Harry beats Voldemort via elder wand technicality is super dumb. Every single time Harry has faced off against Voldemort, he's basically lucked his way into winning. I think it would have been way cooler if they could have an actual duel and Harry is allowed to actually beat him. That alone really drags Deathly Hallows down for me
Yours is much closer to mine than these gentlemen. I always preferred the first 4 to the last 3. HBP is the only standout of the back half imo.
Wow I just realized how significant the line “It’s a great deal harder to stand up to your friends” must be to Dumbledore. After all, the reason he lost his sister, the thing he most regrets in his life was caused by him failing to stand up to his then friend Grindewald.
I’ve been waiting for this ranking for a long time. I think it will be great along with your movie ranking. Maybe after the podcast of going through each chapter your ranking will maybe change
That is def effecting it a LOT
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Oh that’s interesting. I really hope my favorites are at the top. I know Jay said Deathly Hallows and Goblet if Fire were his favorites. I wonder if it stayed the same
@@SuperCarlinBrothers You may have to do an updated ranking after the podcast is done in a few years to see if your ranking has changed.
I misread that as "chapter ranking". IMO, the best chapter of the series is the epilogue and the worst is The Unknowable Room.
@@coolnerdlll6053 i don’t really remember the epilogue and I forgot what chapter is the unknowable room, I think it’s from either half blood Prince or ootp
Care of Magical Teachers: Learn to watch for Dark Lords on the back of your teacher's head, how to spot a liar, how to recognize a werewolf, how to identify someone that is using polyjuice potion, how to deal with toad-like monsters, and how to spot when someone is in love with your dead mom (plus lots of other things).
Rest in Peace Prof. McGonagall
this came out WHILE i was rewatching the ranking video of all the films, blessed be getting this video on my sick day!
I thought Ben and I were on the same page about the worst chapter in the series when they were discussing Chamber. To my shock though it didn’t end up being the Death Day party chapter. I have read and reread these books so many times and the chapter I most dread going back through (and often skip over) is that one.
Agreed. When listening to his argument I was like “oh yes the Death Day party…..wait what?”
I love to see that the Cursed Child has been erased from existence
I thought that the time James saved Snapes life was when he stopped him from going to the Shrieking Shack when Siruis tells him to go through the Whomping Willow?
I felt so vindicated when you both ranked Goblet of Fire so highly. That was always my favorite too, for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. Of all the books it had the most variety and action with the Tri-wizard Tournament and, each of those challenges felt like an adventure in itself. The only thing I remember missing from that book was that they didn't have Quidditch that year, but at least we still got some of that in the book with the World Cup at the start, and the way Harry secured the Golden Egg from the dragon was not unlike one his Quidditch matches either.
Of the movies Goblet of Fire is probably my least favorite, because of how much they altered the tournament scenes.
I really wish Hagrid got a solid few months as a good teacher allowing the introduction of a few more cool creatures, and allow Hagrid to be himself for a portion of Prisoner, also could’ve used the first few classes to show Draco losing attention as he fails with creatures leading to the Hippogriff lesson
57:43 I thought so too. That’s why The Changeling by Annerb is one of my favorite fanfics of all time. It doesn’t just explore Slytherin!Ginny, but what ambition means to Slytherin girls, ancient incantations from Merlin’s era, overcoming house prejudice, enduring ostracism within your own house, redefining what it means to be a powerful witch… it’s so good.
My favorite is either the order of Phoenix or goblet of fire. I think goblet of fire is the better book, but order of the Phoenix came in a very vindicating time for me because I was a 15-year-old in high school with not one but two umbridge caliber teachers and I felt very seen when I read that
1. Chamber
2. Goblet.
3. Deathly
4. Half blood.
5. Prisoner
6. Philosopher
7. Order
Per your statement that anyone's blood could have been used to resurrect Voldemort: I actually disagree. I believe that it has to be someone that Voldemort considers an enemy, not just anyone who opposes him. The other 2 ingredients in the graveyard are given from the perspective of Voldemort. It's HIS father, not just A father. It's HIS servant, not just A servant. So it stands to reason that blood of the enemy would have to be HIS enemy, not just AN enemy. Most people opposing Voldemort are more just generally opposed to what he represents moreso than the man himself. (i.e. it could've been any dark wizard, it just happens to be Voldemort this time) There's only 2 people that Voldemort would consider worthy enough of being HIS enemy: Harry and Dumbledore. They're the only two individuals that Voldemort shows anything akin to respect towards. Everyone else that's opposing him is just a fool, not worth his time. Like dirty dishes. "Eh, I'll get around to it eventually". Since he's terrified of Dumbledore, and with no feasible way to get him, he HAS to use Harry. (which he wanted to do anyway to get around the love protection) And with Harry, it's also personal both ways. Harry more directly opposes Voldemort himself because he killed his parents, as opposed to just his ideals. Voldemort is HIS enemy, and Harry is Voldemort's enemy.
A different perspective on the multiple uses of the Polyjuice potion in Deathly Hallows: Hermione takes it with them as a tool in a kit that is the best tool for certain tasks. If you are a carpenter, you'll keep around nails, screws, a hammer or two and multiple screwdrivers. Always using one particular tool to meet a particular need that arises is simply what you do. Furthermore there may be certain needs that don't arise everyday, but you can't always predict when they will arise so you keep that tool with you all the time. Hermione knew that when they ventured out into public, they would absolutely need to be disguised. As I recall, it is mentioned in passing that they go to get food using Polyjuice, as well as using Harry's cloak. Even if my memory isn't correct on whether that is mentioned, it would be a reason for Hermione to keep some around.
In my reading of Deathly Hallows, this is what Polyjuice has become by then. It is no longer the key to anything, it is just a tool. Keep it around and use it when a particular job, like going to Godric's Hollow or Gringots calls for it. In neither case in the book is the Polyjuice potion THE key to success or failure. There are other factors at play. Nagini, being a horcrux, can sense Harry even with both the cloak and the disguise. Staff at Gringott's have reason to be suspicious when "Bellatrix" shows up. Polyjuice got them in the door, but it doesn't lead to success, or even keep them safe. Other factors are far more significant in the outcome of both of those ventures. Polyjuice BARELY keeps Harry's presence secret at Bill & Fleur's wedding. Luna recognizes him instantly and he all but gives himself away in his conversation with Viktor Krum, who probably would have put 2+2 together had he had more contact with wizards in Britain since Goblet of Fire.If Rita Skeeter or Cedric Diggory had been there, his memory of the weighing of the wands would likely have been tripped. He wasn't having direct contact with Fleur since she was the bride, but what if the wedding reception had ended peacefully and he started to talk to her? I think it is likely that he then might have at least started to wonder about the kid he had been talking to.
The mission to the Ministry was nearly a total catastrophe from early on. The Polyjuice got them in, but it absolutely did not keep them safe. Yaxley had Hermione in his grip - enough that she had to take them to the forest instead of stopping at Grimmauld Place, and that made it impossible for them to return there. In the cases of the trip to the Ministry and the trip to Gringott's, the use of Polyjuice potion was almost their undoing, and not convenient way to succeed and for all of these reasons, I don't feel the use of Polyjuice was overdone. It would have been overdone if the characters conveniently escaped every little possible obstacle, but they don't. Instead in becomes a tool in the kit with risks as well as benefits.
1. Goblet of Fire
2. Deathly Hallows
3. Prisoner of Azkaban
4. Half Blood Prince
5. Philosophers Stone
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Order of the Phoenix
1:27:01 Amazing video. All your points were so validating. Like when you were talking about not understanding the Hallows at first, we could all feel that
We need another rating the covers, that was a great video
51:30 Voldemort probably didn’t want to go to the ministry if he didn’t have to cuz the minister was trying to pretend he didn’t exist, and Voldemort probably wanted to continue that for a while
I havent watched in a while, but the mustache is a lot to digest 😂😂
My personal rank of the Harry Potter books are:
1. Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows
2. Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix
3. Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban
4. Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire
5. Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets
6. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer’s Stone
7. Harry Potter and The Half Blood
The Half Blood Prince is a weird one for me because the whole Voldemort storyline and learning about him….It might be my favorite part of the series. But the whole Hermione and Ron constantly being mad at each other, all the pettiness and ridiculousness that comes out of their arguments, Harry and Hermione arguing over The Half Blood Prince book, Dumbledore’s death (I don’t love Dumbledore but his death was shocking and crazy to deal with). Snape finally getting Defense Against The Dark Arts and being a bigger bully than ever. I do love that Harry and Ginny get together. They’re really sweet together and their first kiss scene is insanely epic. Dean getting mad, Romilda breaking a glass, Hermione beaming, Ron’s confusion but acceptance over their relationship I love it. Harry and Ginny have such a sweet relationship whenever they’re just being themselves. That scene where they’re chilling out in the Gryffindor common room talking about Harry’s “Hippogriff Tattoo”…It’s so sweet and awesome.
LOL “you can’t pick up book 5 & expect a retelling” - Order was the first one I read, at age 10 😅 can confirm, was definitely confused.
My favorite is Half Blood Prince, because you get to learn more about Snape and his motives behind everything and I really like that.
Gotta redo this after Through the Griffin Door is finished. As for my ranking,
1. Half-Blood Prince
2. Goblet of Fire
3. Deathly Hallows
4. Prisoner of Azkaban
5. Philosophers Stone
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Order of the Phoenix
Sorry, it’s just too long with not enough meat to the story. I was especially disappointed after watching the movie which I think is paced perfectly.
I do not know that my ranking is going to be usual, and doubtless there will be many with the same opinion.
7-Prisoner of Azkaban, I do not like time travel stories, and while well done, it falls into the very thing I dislike about them.
6-Deathly Hallows-It was good, but....
5-Half Blood Prince
4-Order of the Phoenix-"The more you tighten your grip, Ubridge, the further the school will slip from your control."-adapted dialogue from another franchise
3-Sorcerer's Stone (I know it should have been Philospher's stone, but I am American and that is the title 😁)
2-Chamber of Secrets-I enjoyed this book thoroughly
1-Goblet of Fire
1. Deathly Hallows - I love the change in setting, the action, the emotions, the finality, just all of it.
2. Order of the Phoenix - It's a little too long, but I can't say no to the Ministry scenes, the political subtext, Umbridge or the DA.
3. Goblet of Fire - Basically a tie with Prisoner, but I like how scaled up it is.
4. Prisoner of Azkaban - Probably the most basic of the series, but it still has a lot of great stuff and I love that it's the darkest of the first three.
5. Chamber of Secrets - It suffers from early book syndrome, but I've always loved the mystery aspect of it.
6. Sorcerer's Stone - Even worse in terms of early book syndrome, but as a standalone children's book, it's a modern classic.
7. Half-Blood Prince - I love the Riddle scenes and everything once they get to the cave, but I can't stand the romance subplots.
I am open to debate, but my mind is made up.
Agree 100%
I would flip Order and Half Blood, but other than that mine is the same. Order is without a doubt one of the best written books in the series, but the issue with that is that it's so incredibly frustrating to read. Like Harry is being all angry and frustrated with everyone the whole time, and I feel exactly the same way. Other the the DA scenes, which there aren't many of, the entire book just feels like people intentionally driving Harry crazy, and you as the reader feel that. And I know that's the point, where the Minestry is trying to make Harry's life difficult and Dumbledore and the Order are trying to keep Harry safe, but it's all too much for me. I could have dealt with it more if it's one at a time, like if Umbridge was the DADA teacher in Half Blood but Dumbledore was still having his lessons with Harry, and vice-versa if Dumbledore was keeping everything from Harry but you just had Slughorn as the potions master, but both at the same time is just too frustrating.
I'm with your explanation for Half-Blood Prince coming in last. Maybe it was because I was well into my 20s when that book came out, but the romance subplots overwhelmed everything else in the book for me, and not in a good way. I'm not someone who thinks that jealousy and relationship drama is entertaining, so you can imagine why that entire subplot didn't work for me. If it was supposed to sell me on those two relationships working long-term, it did the opposite.
@@chrisconcannon6490 The Ron and Hermione thing especially is understandable. It was mildly annoying, but it definitely wasn't a big enough deal for me to really affect my opinion on the book one way or another. And I do really like Harry and Ginny together. Ginny is such a great character ask throughout the books, and she's this sort of light in the darkness for Harry in Half Blood, especially once they start dating. I'm not usually big on relationship plot lines either, but I think that one works well.
While I don’t have it even close to last I agree with you about hbp. As an adult the romance aspect is definitely a little cringey at times. I definitely see a necessity for some of it as the characters mature, but it can be a bit much at times
Goblet is the best! Love the Tasks, so much action and one theme bringing many chances and different main plots 🙏🏼
Wait hold on one second there please fellas! Remus Lupin is one of the best teachers ever! no doubt about it. But better than Flitwick? Don't cast me as Prejudice for Ravenclaw but LUPIN could never be a dueling champion! Plus he's too tall! HUGE TARGET!
Ranking these books for most of us is like ranking your favorite childhood candies, you loved them all and even tho you don't consume them regularly these days the love for ALL of them is still there.
If my Super Carlin Brother knowledge is correct, they ranked both movies and the books on a tier list at one point.
I know Movie Flame did that, but I don’t know about SCB
Long time viewer here, dating back to around 2015. I'm like 98% sure they've never ranked the books before this.
@@jenniferpajor5365 Yeah, being a longtime fan of both I probably got that mixed up. Harry Potter information overload!
@@tylarjackson7928 I respect how long you've been watching, I myself have been watching since only about 2016, I grew up on this channel.
@@Itz_Mont Hey, 9 years and 8 years are practically the same man, no worries. I'm 30, so I didn't quite grow up on them, but my son was also born in 2015, and he definitely has!
The order of the Phoenix is my favourite (I know I know!!) - I read it repeatedly when I was 15, the same age as they are in the book, and what I love so much is seeing the normal side of Hogwarts. The classes, relationships develop, and it gave me a world where I could really develop and grow in my mind. I also related to the angst that they were going through. I guess the mundane-ness is the reason I love it, but also why so many people dislike it. I also ADORE the soundtrack to the Order of the Phoenix which I know isn’t strictly book related, but it’s definitely influenced. Which leads me to- will you rank the 8 Harry Potter soundtracks!
So my ranking:
1) OOTP
2) HBP
3) GOB
4) DH
5) POA
6) PS
7) CS
Been waiting For this one for a long time guys! Thanks For this Guys! You're the Best! My favorite is Goblet of fire! Your podcast has also been great 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I identified so well with Harry in OoTP because I too was very angsty when I was 15 lol
I think Draco's redemption arc is the same as Dudley's. Harrys 2 biggest antagonists really are his 2 bullies his cousin and his classmate. Dudley has his 'I don't think your a waste of space' and Draco has his face pulls to the Hermione torture and refuses to tell them its obviously Harry and his little acknowledgement at the end at the train station, which could just be a film thing no in the books. But he could have said 'yes its Harry' Voldemort is summoned immediately and then he kills his 2 friends and gets Harry's horcrux, maybe even actually killing him. So I think as a whole Draco could have gotten more definitely, but he absolutely got some definitely.
I grew up on the movies but just finished reading the series for the first time yesterday so you guys picked the perfect time to post this!🙌🏻 I’m so sad that my first read through is over.😭
I would love to see a book written by JK with Harry in his prime and how powerful he is
My personal ranking is
1: Order of the Phoenix
2: Prisoner of Azkaban
3: Goblet of fire
4: Chamber of Secrets
5: Half Blood Prince
6: Deathly Hallows
7: Philosopher's Stone