@@robjackson5245 more accurately, Picard is wrong for pressuring Riker like that at this point in the search. The ship isn't in the vice yet. And Riker is under orders (that carry the possibility of court martial if he disobeys them) to keep his mouth shut. This is season 7, Picard should have phrased the ending of his comment.
picard is like a police cheif chewing out his subbodinate for something thats clealry CIA classified. in real life he probably would get chewed out. granted its all politics and jean luc has some freinds but its safe to say so does the admiral.
@@robjackson5245 Pressman may have been right about the threat, but that doesn't matter when he's conducting his own personal foreign policy and violating a treaty.
This is when ST started to take more and more bold steps with writing the overall universe. We see more and more through DS9 and the last two seasons of TNG that the Federation isn't all sunshine and bunnies as even in the 24th century, corruption and greed still have a handle on some people.
And other later shows considering in one episode of Star Trek Enterprise Archer essentially acted as a pirate by boarding and stealing something from another ship
DS9 was already in its first season by this point so it coincides with the shift to show the dirtier parts of Starfleet policy. I'm convinced the writers wanted to do it for a while but they had to wait for Gene Roddenberry to die to get away with it. He was adamant that the Federation remain as perfect within as it appeared.
I'll have to remember that phrase for my boss when they suggest something stupid or impossible, "It is theoretically possible, but I'm unaware of it being done that way before, there may be...unforeseen difficulties." As in, that's crazy, why would you do that, this could fail horribly.
@@RobertMorgan I used a variation of that when an engineer second guessed my design (He wanted more moving parts and more whistles). "Yes, it is possible to alter the design in that way. However, probability of increased costs and tool damage approaches unity if implemented." He didn't get it either, even after 100K went down the hole, along with his employment. I was given a veto after that from the plant manager. (however I had to use this veto in private with the PM)
*Picard:* "What the hell is going on here, Will?!" *Riker:* "I'm sorry, sir, I've said all I can. I'm under direct orders from the director not to let you know the rest of the screenplay."
@@CheesyChez421”I will have to trust that you will not let the director do anything to jeopardize the future of this series and if that trust has been misplaced I will have to reevaluate the casting of this television show “
I have a nut job boss who tells me this on a regular basis Screw you who else knows how everything works. You do it yourself sum b****. Fire my ass now while I can make twice as much unemployment you useless piece of s***.
TheAmateurAsian imperfect. Humanity is equally horrible as it is wonderful. Arguing differently is evidence of bias and selective honesty. Yes, humanity is horrible, yes humanity is wonderful. Just as two more than four is six and three less than five is two.
@@Billmaster115 Indeed. Horrible, wonderful, and all things in between. We're capable of the most stunning beauty, the most benevolent charity, and the most horrific atrocity. We may have been made in His image, but humanity is far from God's grace.
Picard: "There wasn't any further investigation. This report was classified and quickly buried. WTH is going on here, WIll?" RIker: "Admiral Pressman asked his Section 31 buddies to intervene. The rest is history."
@Kevin Lee So, what youre saying is..... Youre a fucking idiot? And yes, we are at over 100k deaths from the virus. Yes, the virus DIRECTLY caused those deaths. Yes, the virus can lead to a heart attack. Anything that compromises the lungs can lead to a heart attack. The respiratory and cardio systems are very closely connected.
@Kevin Lee Dude, you know jack dick about the virus or the body. "Oh, people are sufferring heart failure, that clearly cant be because of the virus that can directly cause heart failure!"
The only Admiral worthy of any respect with JP Hansen who sadly got himself killed at Wolf 359. The rest of them are a bunch of sad stuffed suits with no brains, Norah Satie was a psychopath, and the guy that stopped her Admiral Henry didn't even say a word throughout the entire episode because he was busy watching a baseball game on his tricorder
This was a pinnacle episode. The main reason Riker would be a commander for the duration of the series and I believe the movies was given too us here. There had to be a reason for an officer as stellar as Riker to not get promoted. This was a well written solution.
@@McBurnside6380 The fact that Picard remains in command of the Enterprise(s) for 15 years straight (Jellico's short tenure notwithstanding) is unrealistic itself. Not only should he also have been offered an Admiralty before the end of TNG, but letting one man remain in command of the same ship and senior crew for so long is a big no-no in modern navies. At least in the US Navy, command officers get shuffled around quite a bit in order to keep everyone from developing stronger loyalties to a single officer than to the service at large.
3:10 I like how Picard calls admirals by their first name (as if he knew them personally) and they do the same in certain circumstances, it gives the idea that if Picard wished he could very well have been an admiral but chose the stay a captain.
he is of the same service length as they are, it's common courtesy for fellow veterans to call each other by first name. Picard had indeed refused promotion quite a few times to stay a captain. He only accepted admiral rank to lead the Romulan relief effort after the supernova, even then he commanded ships like the Verity and didn't sit at a desk. Kirk was of a similar mind with some commodores and admirals like Decker, only accepting an admiral rank due to him becoming commandant of Starfleet Academy and others like Spock and Sulu becoming captains.
@@SantomPh Not to forget that Kirk himself told Picard never to leave that bridge. "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there you can make a difference."
This would have been the perfect moment to separate the saucer section and take in the drive section using the battle bridge and leaving the large saucer section outside to deal with any "threats"
This scene reminds me of the bollocking Wesley Crusher received from Captain Picard over the Kolvoord Starburst maneuver incident. This is why i like it so much. 😁😁😁😁😁😁
@@TookyGExactly. Ecerything post 2005 Star Trek has been a complete mess, the whole idea of section 31 is that they were a secret orginization that managed to stay hidden for over 200 years. Their operatives don't go around bragging they in a a rogue organization,unlike how they were portrayedin tbat garbage disxovery and I highly doubt they'd recruit a tyrant from the mirror universe terran empire as an operative, after all their job is to protect the federation from such people, not recruit them, or atleast it was in DS9 when Star Trek had competent,talented writers.
Captain Picard gave me my morals in life these fictional men are the ones who raised me … I know it’s sad to admit but this is what made my trek worth living in those days
The absolute biggest flaw, surely, is not to disengage the saucer section! Two ships scanning are quicker than one. And the stardrive section is a lot narrower than the saucer. Much easier to maneuver. Plus, . . . Which one do the Romulans follow? God, I should be a flippin' Starship Captain!! 😂😂😂
That doesn't work with the script as a plot line. Then, the Romulans would have sealed in the drive section and had the saucer section as hostages. No Bueno
Bigger craft. Think about it. There's a reason you can't use a rowboat to cross the ocean or why you don't use a Piper Cub to fly into the eye of a hurricane. Would you take a rubber raft into a maelstrom? Of course not. You'd use something bigger. Something that can handle the pressure. In this case the starship makes more sense.
One of my favorite episodes! Ironic that Picard had to use the very same illegal cloaking device they weren't even supposed to have, to escape from being entombed inside that meteor/rock. In a way, I had to agree with Pressman at least a little, in that the treaty forbidding them from developing a cloaking device had hamstrung and screwed them over in the long run. All while the Romulans were free to use theirs.
Picard: I'm taking this up wi Riker: Shutup Picard: I be Riker: I said shutup, as in close your mouth and stop talking! Picard: I'm going to find out wh Riker: No you can't, don't even try. Wesley: Sir, maybe you sho.. Picard & Riker: Shutup Wesley!
@@admiralsquatbar127 In the same sense that "Highlander II: The Quickening" is canon in the Highlander franchise. It happened. We don't discuss it. It is impolite to bring it up.
Wait, why did Picard order WORF to take the ship to within 15km of the asteroid? That's an order you give to the helmsman manning the conn station (Geordi's old job, or Wesley, or anonymous), not tactical.
Worf was in command of the bridge when Picard entered. Picard apparently wanted Worf to keep coordinating bridge operations while he worked with Pressman.
This happens often in Star Trek. I believe it saves some money so they don't have to pay an extra for a speaking role, which is a bit more then just sitting there being scenery, and I believe there is contractual stuff having to do with the SAG which prevents actors from having dialogue unless they are a member of the SAG or some such, so they just have the regulars spit the line out themselves.
In “Hunters” Seven recommends the shuttle because it can survive the gravimetric sheer of a black hole better than Voyager, which is probably 1/6 the Mass of the Enterprise.
The actor playing (clean shaven)Admiral Pressman also played the father of the lady figure skater in the movie, “The Cutting Edge”. He had a thin mustache in the latter movie.
No matter how many times i watch this its just as enjoyable each time. I liked the grit between Picard and Riker and i believe a little more of that between senior officers in TNG would have gone down well. Resolution post conflict has its own reward and further seals a solid professional and social relationship
In a way you COULD make an argument that Admiral O'Quinn may have been working for/with Section 31 in a retroactive lore sort of way. Just looking at the older shows, we see examples of Starfleet being shady in some regards, and that may be a consequence of Section 31. Maybe the writers on DS9 even thought it was kind of weird of Starfleet being kind of shifty in some episodes and made Section 31 up as a way to try and explain it. But in a way, if you think of a Section 31 being a more constrained organization for most of its existence, and then a certain event allows them far more latitude to do what they want, then a lot of what we see of them in DS9 makes sense. What if the Pegasus was a Section 31 project being done in secret? The mutiny happens when people realize what's going on, and then it gets left abandoned for years. All of a sudden Admiral O Quinn wants it back, why the urgency? Who are his friends in Starfleet? Section 31. But when does this episode take place. Season 7, after Wolf 359. The Borg may have allowed Section 31 to argue for having their leash lengthened and by the time the Dominion War rolls around we see them as they are in DS9.
Stop stop with the S31. I'm very sure they are groups of high ranking officers are Starfleet HQ who have their own agendas who are not a part of section 31.
If Starfleet cpatains are authorized to be briefed on Omega Directive, a senior captain as tuned in as Picard would know about Section 31, and know better then to mess with it.
It seems strange that whenever Riker is offscreen in this episode he’s in the holodeck trying to glean insights into his dilemma by watching Archer’s Enterprise
Looking back, most of these admirals in TNG had similiar, likely less difficult missions and adventures but they could have had their own TV-series, just as Picard and his ship untill they semi-retired and became admirals. Janeway was exceptonal in what she achieved, but at least it is one example we know about.
Attie Pollard because will would have died on the Pegasus and he would never been on the enterprise and he would not have made the solution that rescued Picard do I have to keep going
I love how the Romulans on the far side of the system are out of sensor range, but in other episodes they can pick them up from light-years away. Sensor range appears to be whatever is convenient for the story at the time.
Probably because it would be too costly to do for just one episode, but I’m thinking for safety reasons they should’ve separated the ship and send the star drive section into the asteroid. Gives it more maneuvering room and the saucer section can essentially stand guard.
My only complaint about this episode is that it should have been in an earlier season of the show instead of near the end. That way, part of Riker's arc could have been him restoring his reputation.
So, Picard says that since Pressman is an Admiral and he is a Captain that he cannot order Riker to go against his orders. Isn't that not how the military chain of command works? Orders have to come from the Admiral, to the Captain, and then to the First Officer. Of course, given the clandestine nature of the mission, the Admiral would have no problem circumventing the proper chain of command, but technically, I would think Picard could still have ordered Riker to tell him the entire truth of the mission.
I never understood why Riker didn’t just spill the beans here. The admiral was attempting to subvert federation law, and thus his order to remain silent about breaking said law would have been illegal.
One of the best episodes, i just wish it came in season 1 or 2 when their relationship was still fresh. In this you never doubt Riker or Picard's faith in him
@@PR--un4ub Cardassia Prime was pretty messed up by the Dominion at the end of the war. I doubt that Marquis prisoners were a big priority for what was left of the Obsidian Order.
@@PR--un4ub At this point in time he was aboard the starship Ghandi in a distant sector. Presumably communication may have been difficult due to the distance involved.
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"I'm taking this up with you, Will!" I'm pretty sure I would have started sobbing.
@@jsullivan2112lol. He's really intimidating
Riker could be shit Captain Pikard I’ll contact sf and take my promotion now!
This and Wesley's Ass chewing was pretty much the gold standard
All right. Come on, if all needs were met in the 23rd Century And Holo decks. F*** you.. F*** you, b****.
@@hankkingsley2976 ?
..I will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship "...The look on Rikers face was (Holy Shit)
He had to know that was coming though.
It's not often you hear disappointment in Jean-Luc's voice because someone was capable of being better.
were Will "better" he'd be as dead as the mutineers.
@@sokagofferenginar8669 Picard isn't right in this episode though. Pressman is an asshole but hes right about the Romulans.
@@robjackson5245 more accurately, Picard is wrong for pressuring Riker like that at this point in the search. The ship isn't in the vice yet. And Riker is under orders (that carry the possibility of court martial if he disobeys them) to keep his mouth shut. This is season 7, Picard should have phrased the ending of his comment.
picard is like a police cheif chewing out his subbodinate for something thats clealry CIA classified. in real life he probably would get chewed out. granted its all politics and jean luc has some freinds but its safe to say so does the admiral.
@@robjackson5245 Pressman may have been right about the threat, but that doesn't matter when he's conducting his own personal foreign policy and violating a treaty.
This is when ST started to take more and more bold steps with writing the overall universe. We see more and more through DS9 and the last two seasons of TNG that the Federation isn't all sunshine and bunnies as even in the 24th century, corruption and greed still have a handle on some people.
And other later shows considering in one episode of Star Trek Enterprise Archer essentially acted as a pirate by boarding and stealing something from another ship
Corruption, maybe, but not greed in this case.
DS9 was already in its first season by this point so it coincides with the shift to show the dirtier parts of Starfleet policy. I'm convinced the writers wanted to do it for a while but they had to wait for Gene Roddenberry to die to get away with it. He was adamant that the Federation remain as perfect within as it appeared.
DS9 took it too far. Section 31 is a boneheaded idea and a needless and stupid way to make the Federation dirty.
@@zorkmid1083greed in conquest
This was Jonathan Frakes' best episode and performance, hands down.
the last episode of "enterprise" adds some back story to this to somewhat.
Still, with all due respect, I think he's a way better director than actor.
Patrick Stewart's wasn't too shabby, either
I dont know I thought he did a really good job in "Frame of mind"
Ollie White you beat me to it..... Frame of Mind was very strong
You know it's a bad idea when the emotionless android gives you that "are you fucking serious?" look.
I'll have to remember that phrase for my boss when they suggest something stupid or impossible, "It is theoretically possible, but I'm unaware of it being done that way before, there may be...unforeseen difficulties."
As in, that's crazy, why would you do that, this could fail horribly.
@@RobertMorgan I used a variation of that when an engineer second guessed my design (He wanted more moving parts and more whistles). "Yes, it is possible to alter the design in that way. However, probability of increased costs and tool damage approaches unity if implemented." He didn't get it either, even after 100K went down the hole, along with his employment. I was given a veto after that from the plant manager. (however I had to use this veto in private with the PM)
*Picard:* "What the hell is going on here, Will?!"
*Riker:* "I'm sorry, sir, I've said all I can. I'm under direct orders from the director not to let you know the rest of the screenplay."
Very well. He's the director, I'm the actor. I cannot order him to spoil the episode, so I will have to be in the dark on this set.
@@CheesyChez421”I will have to trust that you will not let the director do anything to jeopardize the future of this series and if that trust has been misplaced I will have to reevaluate the casting of this television show “
"...I will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship" is the most epic way of saying I will kick you to the curb.
I have a nut job boss who tells me this on a regular basis Screw you who else knows how everything works. You do it yourself sum b****. Fire my ass now while I can make twice as much unemployment you useless piece of s***.
Hank Kingsley I had a nutjob boss who pulled this. I walked away...it felt GREAT. Within 6 months, they were closed.
@@mnfrench7603 So much for that command structure.
@@imaxjunior6531 It's a reality we don't like to remember, but many bosses are just idiots.
@@hankkingsley2976 I don't think you can collect unemployment after being fired
1:00 Riker: So anyway i started blasting
lololol
pew-pew-pew-pew
For all it's wonderful aspects, Star Fleet Security sure seems prone to corruption.
Douglas Henry humanity is horrible, isn’t it?
Star Fleet Security is POWERLESS in the face of plot necessity!
Just like the NSC, FBI, and FISA
TheAmateurAsian imperfect. Humanity is equally horrible as it is wonderful. Arguing differently is evidence of bias and selective honesty. Yes, humanity is horrible, yes humanity is wonderful. Just as two more than four is six and three less than five is two.
@@Billmaster115 Indeed. Horrible, wonderful, and all things in between. We're capable of the most stunning beauty, the most benevolent charity, and the most horrific atrocity. We may have been made in His image, but humanity is far from God's grace.
Picard: "There wasn't any further investigation. This report was classified and quickly buried. WTH is going on here, WIll?"
RIker: "Admiral Pressman asked his Section 31 buddies to intervene. The rest is history."
Ooh, good point. I hadn't even thought about it but yeah this kind of thing fits right into Section 31's alley.
@@Archedgar Agreed. All of these are typical S31's operation, although its existence have yet to be introduced in TNG.
There is no Section 31.
@@ikecarr5989 Spoken like a true Section 31 agent.
Just think though, we wouldn't have the Defiant in DS9 to win against the Dominion.
Whenever you decide that you need to violate the rules of a free society, to *save* that society; you are in extremely dangerous territory.
@Kevin Lee wut chu mean
Somebody tell James Comey and John Brennan..
@Kevin Lee So, what youre saying is..... Youre a fucking idiot?
And yes, we are at over 100k deaths from the virus. Yes, the virus DIRECTLY caused those deaths. Yes, the virus can lead to a heart attack. Anything that compromises the lungs can lead to a heart attack. The respiratory and cardio systems are very closely connected.
@Kevin Lee So, again, youre an idiot.
@Kevin Lee Dude, you know jack dick about the virus or the body. "Oh, people are sufferring heart failure, that clearly cant be because of the virus that can directly cause heart failure!"
Everyone in Starfleet above the rank of Captain is either corrupt or psychologically disturbed.
I beg to differ! Some of them are corrupt AND disturbed! ;)
Kirk was very correct to tell Picard never to let himself get promoted.
@@Yonkage-ik5qb best flick (#7)
The only Admiral worthy of any respect with JP Hansen who sadly got himself killed at Wolf 359. The rest of them are a bunch of sad stuffed suits with no brains, Norah Satie was a psychopath, and the guy that stopped her Admiral Henry didn't even say a word throughout the entire episode because he was busy watching a baseball game on his tricorder
Pretty much like the Navy 😂
"But I am unaware of any prior situations, where a Starship was taken into a planetary body."
Someone contact Major Grin, Starfleet Command.
This was a pinnacle episode. The main reason Riker would be a commander for the duration of the series and I believe the movies was given too us here. There had to be a reason for an officer as stellar as Riker to not get promoted. This was a well written solution.
Riker always turns them down
@@absolutez3r019 he did, but you can only do that for so long with a character before it becomes unrealistic.
@@McBurnside6380 The fact that Picard remains in command of the Enterprise(s) for 15 years straight (Jellico's short tenure notwithstanding) is unrealistic itself. Not only should he also have been offered an Admiralty before the end of TNG, but letting one man remain in command of the same ship and senior crew for so long is a big no-no in modern navies. At least in the US Navy, command officers get shuffled around quite a bit in order to keep everyone from developing stronger loyalties to a single officer than to the service at large.
Riker got promoted for ships. It was his guilt that held him back.
As Riker said in Generations... " I always thought I'd have a shot at that chair one day."
This and the episode where he had to try to prove Data was Starfleet Property against his wishes.
nah, that was a different one. this is the one where the enterprise uses a cloaking device
@@dzerofox1586 He's saying that this and the other one are Jonathan Franks best performances
Yes, he was excellent prosecutor for Data
@@patsfan4life "and....and now a man will shut it off..."
Guy Incognito That wasn’t Frakes only role as a prosecutor. He did prosecutor in Matlok too.
damn it, this is real trek at its finest
3:10 I like how Picard calls admirals by their first name (as if he knew them personally) and they do the same in certain circumstances, it gives the idea that if Picard wished he could very well have been an admiral but chose the stay a captain.
That's exactly what he did. For a good reason. Look at Kirk... he couldn't wait to get rid of his admiral rank to get back into the seat again.
he is of the same service length as they are, it's common courtesy for fellow veterans to call each other by first name. Picard had indeed refused promotion quite a few times to stay a captain. He only accepted admiral rank to lead the Romulan relief effort after the supernova, even then he commanded ships like the Verity and didn't sit at a desk.
Kirk was of a similar mind with some commodores and admirals like Decker, only accepting an admiral rank due to him becoming commandant of Starfleet Academy and others like Spock and Sulu becoming captains.
@@SantomPh Not to forget that Kirk himself told Picard never to leave that bridge.
"Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there you can make a difference."
Picard IS friends with a lot of the admiralty. Some were close friends.
Jeezus what great performance by Frakes
Christine Felice WANKA!!!!!!
Picard's moving his eyes downward after telling Riker "Dismissed" is a brutal blow.
This would have been the perfect moment to separate the saucer section and take in the drive section using the battle bridge and leaving the large saucer section outside to deal with any "threats"
This scene reminds me of the bollocking Wesley Crusher received from Captain Picard over the Kolvoord Starburst maneuver incident.
This is why i like it so much. 😁😁😁😁😁😁
Yep. Picard is my hero. He is how I learned ethics.
You know you’re in trouble when he calls ya by first name.
This has 31 written all over it
Section 31 is just a myth.
@VHTesla"leave it at that" that the S31 right there 😂
Everything Trek post 2005 has been a disaster for humanity. Not everything has to be Section 31.
@@TookyGExactly.
Ecerything post 2005 Star Trek has been a complete mess, the whole idea of section 31 is that they were a secret orginization that managed to stay hidden for over 200 years.
Their operatives don't go around bragging they in a a rogue organization,unlike how they were portrayedin tbat garbage disxovery and I highly doubt they'd recruit a tyrant from the mirror universe terran empire as an operative, after all their job is to protect the federation from such people, not recruit them, or atleast it was in DS9 when Star Trek had competent,talented writers.
@@ValiantWrestling Any organization with 200 years of secrecy would get arrogant with it.
Only the DTI do not do that, and that is the same age,
One of my favorite episodes in the series.
I really appreciate you uploading clips like this. Thank you.
This was an amazing episode - Riker goes from making fun of the Captain in the opening sequence to getting chewed out by him.
Amazing how he found the time to run that holodeck program of the first Enterprise through all of this
Captain Picard gave me my morals in life these fictional men are the ones who raised me … I know it’s sad to admit but this is what made my trek worth living in those days
Me too. I only started thinking about "ethics" because of Picard. He played a large role in defining my ethics.
This was another turning point between Picard and Riker!! I love their chemistry 💯💯💯
The absolute biggest flaw, surely, is not to disengage the saucer section!
Two ships scanning are quicker than one.
And the stardrive section is a lot narrower than the saucer. Much easier to maneuver.
Plus, . . . Which one do the Romulans follow?
God, I should be a flippin' Starship Captain!! 😂😂😂
That doesn't work with the script as a plot line. Then, the Romulans would have sealed in the drive section and had the saucer section as hostages. No Bueno
Spectacular monologue by frakes here. Wow
Lol, they couldn't take the shuttle in there due to gravity...they really needed to find an excuse to get the enterprise in there...
Bigger craft. Think about it. There's a reason you can't use a rowboat to cross the ocean or why you don't use a Piper Cub to fly into the eye of a hurricane. Would you take a rubber raft into a maelstrom? Of course not. You'd use something bigger. Something that can handle the pressure. In this case the starship makes more sense.
He is an admiral, I am a God,; I order you to tell me everything, under pain of excommunication.
@Just Jeff *purging intensifies*
Which god? Picard was several. Lol
@@Phoenixesper1 I had the God of Mintaka III, "The Picard" in mind.
“..then I will have to re-evaluate the command structure of this ship.” 🥺
Riker should have said" capt, you won't be in command of this ship"
Some of the best performances in this episode.
When he drops calling him Number 1 you know shit is real
Star trek short about the Pegasus would be dope
Picard just laid Riker on the slab. Total badass.
Wills look after the Capt said i will have to reevaluate the command structure of this ship
4:38 - "This chicken nugget is large enough for us to maneuver in."
Contrast this singular episode - and so many more - to STD and STP. People used to be slow, patient and thoughtful.
gotta cram as much crap as possible now before the next commercial break. TV theme songs have gone the way of the dodo as well because of this :-(
One of my favorite episodes! Ironic that Picard had to use the very same illegal cloaking device they weren't even supposed to have, to escape from being entombed inside that meteor/rock. In a way, I had to agree with Pressman at least a little, in that the treaty forbidding them from developing a cloaking device had hamstrung and screwed them over in the long run. All while the Romulans were free to use theirs.
its not that much of a disadvantage, as starfleet seems to detect romulan cloaks easily enough.
This is a brilliant TNG episode and brilliant acting between Picard and Riker here
Just enough of an episode to get interested in what's going on..°-°
If only every episode of TNG was this good
You can't have good stuff without bad stuff. Ying & Yang. Light & Darkness. The episode "Pegasus" and the episode "Sub Rosa"...
Picard: I'm taking this up wi
Riker: Shutup
Picard: I be
Riker: I said shutup, as in close your mouth and stop talking!
Picard: I'm going to find out wh
Riker: No you can't, don't even try.
Wesley: Sir, maybe you sho..
Picard & Riker: Shutup Wesley!
the uss discovery jumped inside of kronos.... oh wait scratch that from the record logs, that's classified
STD Is not canon, even PICARD isnt that canon, but still fall somewhat in line.
@@thehantavirus It is canon.
@@admiralsquatbar127 In the same sense that "Highlander II: The Quickening" is canon in the Highlander franchise. It happened. We don't discuss it. It is impolite to bring it up.
@@thehantavirus it is canon if you wish it or not.
@@limburgishmapping7166 I haven't seen discovery or picard so they aren't canon for me.
Wait, why did Picard order WORF to take the ship to within 15km of the asteroid? That's an order you give to the helmsman manning the conn station (Geordi's old job, or Wesley, or anonymous), not tactical.
Worf's job was
Worf was in command of the bridge when Picard entered. Picard apparently wanted Worf to keep coordinating bridge operations while he worked with Pressman.
This happens often in Star Trek. I believe it saves some money so they don't have to pay an extra for a speaking role, which is a bit more then just sitting there being scenery, and I believe there is contractual stuff having to do with the SAG which prevents actors from having dialogue unless they are a member of the SAG or some such, so they just have the regulars spit the line out themselves.
@@mackgiver875 I guess the anonymous helmsman would have had to acknowledge the order, thus at least one line, yeah.
@@IrishCarney Just watched it again. She has lines in the episode anyway so I dunno :D.
Brilliant writing on military secrecy regardless of era.
Always wondered after court martial of admiral pressman if section 31 ever recruited him
Picard: ''What the will is going on here Hell?''
Riker: ''Captain?''
Picard: (facepalm): ''What the hell is going on here Will?''
Got to rate Riker's loyalty though.
Star Trek: TNG S7E12 'Pegasus'
aka
Hunt for Red October in Space
In “Hunters” Seven recommends the shuttle because it can survive the gravimetric sheer of a black hole better than Voyager, which is probably 1/6 the Mass of the Enterprise.
Are Data's last two sentences a nod/reference to Star Wars? (unforeseen circumstance = giant worm trying to eat the Falcon)
The actor playing (clean shaven)Admiral Pressman also played the father of the lady figure skater in the movie, “The Cutting Edge”. He had a thin mustache in the latter movie.
No matter how many times i watch this its just as enjoyable each time. I liked the grit between Picard and Riker and i believe a little more of that between senior officers in TNG would have gone down well. Resolution post conflict has its own reward and further seals a solid professional and social relationship
Taking a bitterly truthful look at the ST universe? Picard would likely have lost this contest and been punished and Pressman would have won.
Couldn't pick an asteroid that wasn't in the neutral zone?
it's strongly hinted that Pressman's project is not 100% above board so he chose to do it without Federation eyes peeking
In a way you COULD make an argument that Admiral O'Quinn may have been working for/with Section 31 in a retroactive lore sort of way. Just looking at the older shows, we see examples of Starfleet being shady in some regards, and that may be a consequence of Section 31. Maybe the writers on DS9 even thought it was kind of weird of Starfleet being kind of shifty in some episodes and made Section 31 up as a way to try and explain it.
But in a way, if you think of a Section 31 being a more constrained organization for most of its existence, and then a certain event allows them far more latitude to do what they want, then a lot of what we see of them in DS9 makes sense. What if the Pegasus was a Section 31 project being done in secret? The mutiny happens when people realize what's going on, and then it gets left abandoned for years. All of a sudden Admiral O Quinn wants it back, why the urgency? Who are his friends in Starfleet? Section 31. But when does this episode take place. Season 7, after Wolf 359. The Borg may have allowed Section 31 to argue for having their leash lengthened and by the time the Dominion War rolls around we see them as they are in DS9.
Stop stop with the S31. I'm very sure they are groups of high ranking officers are Starfleet HQ who have their own agendas who are not a part of section 31.
This is my favorite episode of Enterprise.
Heads will roll at Star fleet command, when this came to light!
And looking at the Dominion war this phased cloak would have made a huge impact
The chief of Starfeel intelligence, huh. So was that commadore O, lol? No wonder the Romulans were hovering around.
Commodore Oh was chief of security, not intelligence
If Starfleet cpatains are authorized to be briefed on Omega Directive, a senior captain as tuned in as Picard would know about Section 31, and know better then to mess with it.
Taste the goodness of the biscuits. Taste the honey sauce …. Margret! Taste the biscuits taste her honey sauce
One of the best episodes of TNG ever!
Kirk said as long as you're in that chair you can make a difference, but he did not say it would be easy.
Heh, normally Starfleet vessels use black alert for testing equipment. :)
It seems strange that whenever Riker is offscreen in this episode he’s in the holodeck trying to glean insights into his dilemma by watching Archer’s Enterprise
2:50 Oof, that hit Riker right between the eyes, but it's hard to blame Picard for his position.
I think that this is the best scene that Stewart and Frakes ever performed together.
There is no bollocking in life quite like a full on Jean Luc Picard bollocking.
Looking back, most of these admirals in TNG had similiar, likely less difficult missions and adventures but they could have had their own TV-series, just as Picard and his ship untill they semi-retired and became admirals. Janeway was exceptonal in what she achieved, but at least it is one example we know about.
This was such an excellent episode.
THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!
The look on Will's face LOL
If Will didn’t side with Preston we would have lost to the borg
How?
Attie Pollard because will would have died on the Pegasus and he would never been on the enterprise and he would not have made the solution that rescued Picard do I have to keep going
We?
Blaze Infernus actually I’m making Q’s argument
I would love to make a bold statement to my staff and then just say, "Dismissed."
I love how the Romulans on the far side of the system are out of sensor range, but in other episodes they can pick them up from light-years away. Sensor range appears to be whatever is convenient for the story at the time.
That admiral in on it too
Well of course he is. You'd have a harder time stating why that _wouldn't_ be the case.
@@jsullivan2112 Oh. Well that's speculation, but a thought that I agree with.
This would be so much more serious if Picard hadn't huffed some helium beforehand. XD
My god...
This Picard vs the "older" one in the newer series ....are worlds apart.
Great episode 😊
Probably because it would be too costly to do for just one episode, but I’m thinking for safety reasons they should’ve separated the ship and send the star drive section into the asteroid. Gives it more maneuvering room and the saucer section can essentially stand guard.
4:45 Data: "... but I am unaware of any prior situation where a starship was taken so deep into a planetary body."
... Picard: S3E10
In retrospect I imagined this would have been a Section 31 operation.
That was an excellent episode 👍🏼
Even now all i think is All they needed to do is seperate the saucer.... Take one section in and the other could stay on guard outside.....
I feel like that in this episode they should have separated from the saucer section and would have made it a little more interesting
If there werent such a time crunch with romulans around, they could have modified a shuttle or two
My only complaint about this episode is that it should have been in an earlier season of the show instead of near the end. That way, part of Riker's arc could have been him restoring his reputation.
So, Picard says that since Pressman is an Admiral and he is a Captain that he cannot order Riker to go against his orders. Isn't that not how the military chain of command works? Orders have to come from the Admiral, to the Captain, and then to the First Officer. Of course, given the clandestine nature of the mission, the Admiral would have no problem circumventing the proper chain of command, but technically, I would think Picard could still have ordered Riker to tell him the entire truth of the mission.
He wants to know whats going on
I never understood why Riker didn’t just spill the beans here. The admiral was attempting to subvert federation law, and thus his order to remain silent about breaking said law would have been illegal.
One of the best episodes, i just wish it came in season 1 or 2 when their relationship was still fresh. In this you never doubt Riker or Picard's faith in him
It was during this episode that the finale for _Star Trek: Enterprise_ took place. As a simulation on the holodeck. Terrible..
Its nice seeing TNG before the HD. Dont get me wrong HD is nice but seeing classic is nostalgic
Couldn't Picard have also tried to contact Thomas Riker to find out what happened?
It would be cool if Thomas Riker would appear on next season's episode of Picard.
@@douglashenry6996 Isn't he in a Cardassian prison? Was he liberated after the war ended?
@@PR--un4ub Cardassia Prime was pretty messed up by the Dominion at the end of the war. I doubt that Marquis prisoners were a big priority for what was left of the Obsidian Order.
@@PR--un4ub At this point in time he was aboard the starship Ghandi in a distant sector. Presumably communication may have been difficult due to the distance involved.