Pentiment - the game sets in the 16th century Bavaria during the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation. In the game some villagers also talk about Paganism and even the Roman times. So, I think this game could give a lot of historic subjects which deserves to discuss and it would fit perfectly to this channel's topics.
a suggestion - how historically accurate are the dialects of red dead redemption 2? some accents in the game seem strikingly modern, just as the english guy looking for his friend gavin, who if it were really set in 1899, as the upper-middle class man from england that he seems to be, probably would've had a far more aristocratic accent than the moderately-posh, neutral accent of today - one can search up the recording of trumpeter lanfried, a veteran of the crimean war, or an interview with bertrand russell, who was born in 1872, to get an idea of what this sounded like. we also have many recordings of contemporary american accents, many of which sound far more "british" to modern ears than modern american ones, and southern american accents sound markedly different back then, too, often dropping their Rs like english accents - i highly recommend searching a video called 1929 - Interviews With Elderly People Throughout The US, and Man Born in 1846 Talks About the 1860s and Fighting in the Civil War - Enhanced Audio, both of which show just how dramatically the dialects have changed in such short time just thought this could be an interesting topic for those interested in history, and a possible idea for the future of the channel :)
Theres also a circus cart in the Great Plains region. Next to it is another cart that belonged to a traveling minstrel show. Which were being phased, but were still common in the time period between the two games.
I have been to the Houma plantation and they were bragging about how people whose ancestors were enslaved are still living around the plantation. 😟 like sir that’s just generational poverty (and a lot of other things) and isn’t something to brag about.
They’re not bragging. Just because they said it doesn’t mean they’re proud. It’s a historical site and there giving you factual information. I’ve been to Houmas house multiple times too. I live in Louisiana.
@@shotty2164 I’ve been to a couple plantations-turned-museums here in Virginia for my history course and there was one guide I had at Monticello that was way too supportive of the planter family that lived in it 💀💀 depends on the guide tbh
If you go to Nottaway plantation near White Castle Louisiana there's a "subdivision" (collection of rundown trailers and crappy houses) near it called Dorcyville. They are, for the most part, decendents of slaves from Nottaway plantation. The majority that live there on goverment assistance and choose not to work. So 6 generations later they changed a physical plantation for a goverment sponsored economic one. Some people never change....
@@Virgil191a group of armed, racist white men. If Charles did anything he’d have been killed for his efforts. A bullet doesn’t give a shit about how much of a “unit” someone is.
I dont think thats true, Valentine is a livestock town. In real history a third of cowboys were Mexican and a quarter were black. It would be ridiculous to block access of Cowboys in your bar built around the cowboy town Haeber, Jonathan. “Vaqueros: The First Cowboys of the Open Range.” National Geographic. National Geographic Society, 15 Aug. 2003. Web. Ponsford, Matthew. “America’s black cowboys fight for their place in history.” CNN. Turner Broadcasting System, 28 Nov. 2012. Web.
Check the video Pixels made about chapter 2, he addresses this. It was illegal for Native Americans to enter bars and probably Javier wouldn't be accepted either
That’s really gonna depend on when and where. Rhodes would definitely be segregated. A frontier town like Valentine would probably allow non white customers. the west and frontier tended to be slightly more tolerant, as the harsh conditions had a tendency to ease some social hierarchies
I remember someone saying Arthur should've been more racist because of the time's but the thing they don't realise is Arthur grew up around all kinds of races as a member of Dutch's Gang. He doesn't see race like Micah does at the start, he sees loyalty.
That idea also ignores that there were folks back then who actively fought against racism. Like, there have always been people who oppose that bullshit, no matter how much of a minority they were at various points. The transcendentalists here in the US, who clearly had an influence on Dutch, and by extension the rest of the gang, or atleast their counterparts in the games universe are one prominent example. There's also the various kinds of socialists who were already around by that time, and America by then already had a long history of super egalitarian, utopian Christian socialists, and more marxists/protomarxists, and anarchists of various sorts were present since atleast the civil war due to all the Fenians, and other European radicals who immigrated here and many of whom fought for the union. So, the idea that everyone back then was some massive racist is not only just kinda dumb, but also ahistorical and/or revisionist.
I mean, yeah, racism was common, but for it to stop it should have been people that weren't racist. I don't know if it's hisyorically accurste, but in the Little House of The Praire there's racism, but it's just some character that in their respective episodes are shown as the bad guys, while the rest of the characters are not racist, and that serie takes place in like the same time as Rdr2 from what i know.
At that time, racism was the norm for EVERYONE. Except for a small percentage of those who grew up in the poor areas of the South with children of other races. It was only after World War II that racial integration initiatives began.
Dude, I LOVE your videos, man. I hope you dig into the history of Red Dead Online at some point. I think my favorite thing are the bounty hunts, and the fight with that one Ned Kelly knockoff.
In California during the Gold Rush, it was common to assign the name "Diggings" or "Diggins" to a town and/or mine. This could be the origin of "dig" being used to refer to a mine. Great video as always!
Such an odd title to see in my recommended but I am impressively surprised by how well researched and respectful this is. I might have to watch the rest of these videos
Just spent my work day and some change watching your entire video series up to this point. Thank you for all youve done up to this point. I just finished the game for the first time so this has been a wonderful time to watch all of this
I always felt racism was portrayed rather strangely in RDR2. For one, Lenny and Arthur are able to go into the same Saloon together. Something even in the North would have caused a racist reaction. And Rockstar somewhat hides the racism that would've been ordinary for that time such as segregation signs or the hard n-word (which is only spoken by Lenny I think.) Also gangs which are dominated by a certain non-white ethnicity always has some mix of white people in them. Next to that, Arthur acts kind of naïve about the daily racism people of colour had to face during his time. Then it suddenly switches and you've just entered a hut with chains on the wall, brutal references to the slave trade, a man preaching racial superiority in the streets, or straight up the KKK gathering in the woods. I think I would understand Rockstar to not constantly bombard the player with the level of racism that would've been dominating the daily lives back then. But portraying this dark part of American history feels kind of concentrated and bi-polar to me.
They kinda made a joke out of it and portrayed it as something in the past, with the slave catcher and Lemoyne raiders being portrayed as the last remnants of a forgotten age. The KKK were portrayed as bumbling incompetents instead of the enormous terror group that they actually were. They did a better job showing Native American discrimination than racism towards black people.
I noticed this too, and my theory is that it would be less fun to play if there were a bunch of Micah’s running around. That, and the house leading up to the basement gave you a lot of opportunities to leave. The reality of slavery in the game is quite isolated, and more of a nod to the actual history, while the rest of the game is mostly escapism. I think that’s very much on purpose. When I was riding my horse in the swamp, a man swung down from a tree, hung from a rope. It was a black man, and for one moment I was actually really mad at Rockstar for depicting a lynching. Right after Tilly said she was nervous to be so far south. The game didn’t really depict the racist violence going on - and I just thought of how my teenage brothers (who are black, for context) didn’t need to play their haha funny cowboy game wearing a bear hat, riding a tiny horse and suddenly come across a lynching of a black man. But it wasn’t a lynching, it was a randomized NPC and it was the crazy night people who attack you in the swamp. After they started chasing me I was like oh thank the lord…it’s only a gang of crazed swamp people The isolation of the slavers’ house makes sense to me, and I can appreciate that they acknowledge the actual history while also keeping it separate, leaving the game more of a gentler version of reality. It’s almost ironic I think this is a case where playing pretend with history is the better option.
Ah, and the eugenics and the KKK events are jokes - they are the punchline. You can knife the eugenics guy and feed him to the *aligator with the police looking on doing nothing. The KKK are a bunch of bumbling idiots setting themselves on fire. The slavers house was not a joke. Even if you go back and kill the guy, there’s no humor or triumph. And I think that was the history moment.
This is a very thorough, professional, and sensitively delivered video, and so appropriate for Black History Month. I’m glad I could enjoy these facts about one of my favorite games while appreciating the detail Rockstar puts into their storytelling.
Atlanta GA was a city in the 1890’s. In fact it was founded in 1837 but was village far before then. It is also the only American city to ever be completely destroyed during any war. During the civil war it was burned to the ground and almost everything that exists today is from after that point in time.
Love this series. Great work dude. Thoroughly researched and well presented. RDR2 changed my life lol. I haven't been so engaged with a story since readng LOTR in Highschool. RDR2 is an experience. So immersive and compelling. I WAS Arthur Morgan. I felt like I was at these places, doing these things. I could almost smell the forest at sunrise and the tar on the railroad ties in the hot sun and the horse apples in the street. I cared about the charachters, felt a pang when they died. Hated Micah with a passion. Just so well done. If you have genuine hate for a fictional charachter.... thats solid writing. Rockstar... for all their faults...can tell a good story. They do the work and do it right.
One thing you missed: pretty sure Compson's name itself is a reference to Faulkner, especially The Sound and the Fury, which depicts an old Southern family whose members have trouble adjusting to the modernization of the South.
My day, my week, and my black history month has been made by this video. In all seriousness though, I'm so glad you uploaded something new as I've just been rewatching your old content. 😭
It’s actually disturbingly accurate especially when Lenny dropped hard R hadn’t seen any media show it so graphically since Django unchained I love being black 💀
When playing rdr2 for the first time, I was a little surprised that Javier, Lenny, and Charles were freely allowed into the saloon. I understand that it's just a game convention for the story quests of chapter 2, but it seemed to me that at that time there should have been a sign at the entrance "for white men only" (if I'm not mistaken, women were also not allowed to enter the saloon, only if they didn't work there). I don't live in America and I may be wrong, but it seems to be the case.
I imagine RDR2 tones down the racism massively across the board, the Lemoyne parts are probably the closest you can get to actual history and even then it's still not racist enough compared to real life.
@@dadassery8506 yes, personally I'd love to see a more historically accurate representation as it is more immersive and would encourage people to learn about the u.s. wrong doings in the 1800s as most educators just gloss over it.
Okay, partner... you have convinced me to subscribe. I'm dumbfounded by how much efforts in research you must have went through for every historical related video. Certainly made me curious on how accurate the historical source itself like.... I'm not from United States. I don't think I can find any record of a person living in my country by 1800s unless it's a super important figure. Can you really dig info on some random person from 1800s in US??
Small correction on the pistol. It is actually a percussion cap, not a flintlock. Both are muzzle loaders, but the flintlock requires the hammer to strike a frizzen, which creates the spark to ignite the gunpowder, where as percussion caps are small, self-contained charges placed on a nipple that are struck by the hammer to ignite the charge. While there were some flintlocks put into service out of desperation to arm men during the Civil War, percussion caps were the standard of the day.
remember folks, it’s not just the Democrats the Republicans and the north had slaves and after slavery both parties supported Jim Crow redlining and segregation. It’s the American government in general.. the last slave was freed in 1941…hope that helps the inevitable political battle in the comments…
It's almost like our ancestors knew exactly what they were talking about just because you have the odd Ben Carson are Herman Cain it doesn't make up for the hordes of bad ones
For me with butchers creek I always think of the song bitter creek by the eagles. Not sure if bitter creek actually was a real place or what in the story of the dalton gang. Not sure. But the whole desperado album is great to listen to when playing rdr2. Sometimes anyways.
ive always felt like the racism wasnt that accurate in rdr2. its clear that lemoyne is the games designated racist state and lenny both experiences and talks about the racism in story missions but im just now seeing the little camp interaction where tilly also mentions the racism. of course theres the kkk and the doctor who was stolen from in rhodes but i feel like during this period lenny tilly and charles would have had more trouble in way more places than just rhodes and the immediate surrounding area. at the same time i would have felt super sad if their struggles were more hamfisted so maybe its for the best. im just yapping.
it was relatively very tame imo and in line with keeping controversy to a minimum on Rockstar's part while still 'addressing' it as an obvious elephant in the room.
5:39 slight nitpick, but slavery is still technically legal in the US as punishment for a crime which is absolutely disgusting. There are entire industries here that rely on exploiting free labor from prisoners who have no choice but to work for no pay and with no benefits.
Well when you disrgard society, ignore the rights of those living within it and the laws that uphold it, you choose to be separate from it and forfiet all rights and privledges it provides. Your pay and benefits in prison is room and board, 3 meals a day and healthcare. Citizens don't have that guarentee. I have to work to eat and live indoors. I have to pay for health care. And I have to pay for theirs. Who's the slave? Nobody is paying 45k a year for me to exist and do nothing with accesss to free education, job training, psychotherapy, medical care and legal advice. I have to work to eat. It isn't brought to my room for me by a public servant. Prison sucks for a reason. You are supposed to not want to go there. Its not supposed to be a place where you profit and enjoy your time. The benefit is we let you live there instead of being killed or exiled to a rock to starve in the elements. The benefit is you get a chance at redemption. If your morality doesn't prevent you from criminality, hopefully the fear of going to a hellhole full of the worst people on earth will.
I love the fact you picked up on that. It's one of the main reasons, I'm an advocate for prison reform. To elaborate on the "industries and free labor" part, the prison maintenance is 80% done by the prisoners, which saves the prison hundreds of millions yearly, prisoners are typically intimidated into and face repercussions if they decide not to participate. Prisoners generate BILLIONS for the government yearly (YES WITH A B AND A S.) The thought that because they're "prisoners" they don't deserve a fair wage or benefits because they're provided free living (that they manage) and get 3 meals (that they provide for themselves) a day is idiotic. There's a reason why we're building as many prisons as schools; that in itself is terrifying.
@@gwoody4003that’s just apologetics for the continuation of slavery. Two wrongs don’t make a right. So your arguments only work with those who are morally bankrupt.
@@masonharvath-gerrans832 slavery implies they were wrongfully taken against their will and pressed into labor. Prisoners commited crimes, stood trial, were found guilty and then were incarcerated. They chose to commit crimes. And its been proven that work aids in rehabilitation and overall behavior in prisons. In the society they refuse to be a member of, we work for what we have. We have a choice of how and where we work, but to have things like food, clothing, shelter, hobbies, etc... we gotta work. Its not voluntary, its mandatory. Expecting convicts to make themselves useful while they are being put up, kept alive and babysat on the taxpayer's dime isn't unreasonable, and its not slavery. They chose to go to prison. They didn't ask for it, but their actions they did choose came with that consequence. And don't give me that "poverty provides little other options" liberal BS. They aren't in prison for stealing bread to feed a family. Being in prison doesn't make you a bad person, but don't go implying people in prison are good people. They are there for a reason. Expecting them to wash their own clothes, cook their own food, clean their own messes and provide some service to cover a fraction of the cost of their upkeep isn't a humanitarian attrocity.
I think people forgot that RDR2 isn't meant to be a history lesson, it's a damn video game So the racism wasnt entirely realistic, neither is getting shot 15 times and downing food and snake oil to heal gunshot wounds. Or smoking a tobacco to make you a better marksman. It's almost like they had to balance out realism and fantasy to make the game as enjoyable as possible
Unfortunately for modern people had to happen. They already had issue with Haitans and Cubans in GTA VC. And Neversoft with Natives in their western game called Gun.
hey, not sure if you did a separate take on this, but you missed the Klan. On scarce opportunities you can encounter Klan meetings trough the map, most notably Lemoyne. And the inclusion of it is somewhat inaccurate, as the Klan had mostly been disbanded since the 1870s and didn't resurface until 1915. although, if you encounter them, Klan members show an incredible level of incompetence and a lack of numbers, so maybe this is the justification for their inclusion.
You should really go into the real history of rdr1. It’s a great game that doesn’t have nearly the same amount of research as the 2nd game put into it from TH-cam creators
If you want a historically accurate snapshot of racism in the old West, read Blood Meridian. If you want a 4kids anime adaptation of that sort of setting, play RD2. The postmodern anachronism is plain insulting if you have any semblance of historical understanding. I don't care how accurate Compson's gun model was to the setting, I care about how hamfisted and forced it was that they don't even give the player a choice to hate him on their own. In RD1 you can let a cannibal child-killer drag a husband away to become dinner just because it's not your problem. Or you can take him to the railroad tracks or sheriff for justice. It's your choice. But when it comes to touchy modern political subjects like racism or Native displacement suddenly the kid gloves need to come on. Natives weren't stupid puppets or whiny crybabies who sat around moping all day. They were incredibly intelligent and proud warriors. I think it's so disrespectful to remove their autonomy and present them as nothing more than brainless cannon fodder and a "Crying Indian ad" because depicting them as cunning warriors goes against the pop culture weepy victim narrative that everybody's grown comfortable with.
Thanks for watching! We're nearing the end of Red Dead Redemption 2's stranger missions now-what game would you like to see next?
The Mafia series might be worth a look or Kingdom Come Deliverance
Red Dead Redemption
Yeah the Mafia Series is a good idea.
It’d be interesting to see how historically accurate the first red dead game is compared to rdr2
Pentiment - the game sets in the 16th century Bavaria during the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation. In the game some villagers also talk about Paganism and even the Roman times. So, I think this game could give a lot of historic subjects which deserves to discuss and it would fit perfectly to this channel's topics.
That RDR1 series is gonna be special. Especially a video on Mexico’s early 1900 history.
Why especially
@@chicken4090s’not a thing many people know about
i mean their history just amounts to a shit hole country cant be that good@@MagnusTonitrum117
@@chicken4090 Yeah but who cares about what you think
@@FranciscoFJM don’t know what ur talking about and also literally you do
please keep making these historical connection videos forever and ever they’re so good
i guess he will, there is a lot of things to explore
@@Joaopedro-xp5du and plenty of other games set in different historical periods/locations!
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Banning comments again?
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What?
a suggestion - how historically accurate are the dialects of red dead redemption 2? some accents in the game seem strikingly modern, just as the english guy looking for his friend gavin, who if it were really set in 1899, as the upper-middle class man from england that he seems to be, probably would've had a far more aristocratic accent than the moderately-posh, neutral accent of today - one can search up the recording of trumpeter lanfried, a veteran of the crimean war, or an interview with bertrand russell, who was born in 1872, to get an idea of what this sounded like.
we also have many recordings of contemporary american accents, many of which sound far more "british" to modern ears than modern american ones, and southern american accents sound markedly different back then, too, often dropping their Rs like english accents - i highly recommend searching a video called 1929 - Interviews With Elderly People Throughout The US, and Man Born in 1846 Talks About the 1860s and Fighting in the Civil War - Enhanced Audio, both of which show just how dramatically the dialects have changed in such short time
just thought this could be an interesting topic for those interested in history, and a possible idea for the future of the channel :)
Theres also a circus cart in the Great Plains region. Next to it is another cart that belonged to a traveling minstrel show. Which were being phased, but were still common in the time period between the two games.
“How could you have offended me?”
It gave me another reason to love Arthur
I have been to the Houma plantation and they were bragging about how people whose ancestors were enslaved are still living around the plantation. 😟 like sir that’s just generational poverty (and a lot of other things) and isn’t something to brag about.
They’re not bragging. Just because they said it doesn’t mean they’re proud. It’s a historical site and there giving you factual information. I’ve been to Houmas house multiple times too. I live in Louisiana.
@@shotty2164 I’ve been to a couple plantations-turned-museums here in Virginia for my history course and there was one guide I had at Monticello that was way too supportive of the planter family that lived in it 💀💀 depends on the guide tbh
If you go to Nottaway plantation near White Castle Louisiana there's a "subdivision" (collection of rundown trailers and crappy houses) near it called Dorcyville. They are, for the most part, decendents of slaves from Nottaway plantation. The majority that live there on goverment assistance and choose not to work. So 6 generations later they changed a physical plantation for a goverment sponsored economic one. Some people never change....
@@marvinheemeyer6660 are you stupid? Maybe they want to work, but they can't find a job. Or getting a job disqualifies them from benefits.
@@kiryuchansboyfriend How dare he not be a woke leftist
Just when I think Real Pixels might be done with RDR2 he comes out with another banger. I love watching these videos
I LOVE YOUR RDR HISTORY VIDEOS SO MUCH PLEASE CONTINUE UNTIL YOU REVIEW THE WHOLE GAME
YOUR CONTENT IS INCREDIBLE
Charles and leeny and javeir being in the saloon in valentine was historically not accurate
tbf who’s gonna go up to the absolute unit wearing a shotgun and tomohawk that is charles and tell him to get out
@@Virgil191a group of armed, racist white men. If Charles did anything he’d have been killed for his efforts. A bullet doesn’t give a shit about how much of a “unit” someone is.
I dont think thats true, Valentine is a livestock town. In real history a third of cowboys were Mexican and a quarter were black. It would be ridiculous to block access of Cowboys in your bar built around the cowboy town
Haeber, Jonathan. “Vaqueros: The First Cowboys of the Open Range.” National Geographic. National Geographic Society, 15 Aug. 2003. Web.
Ponsford, Matthew. “America’s black cowboys fight for their place in history.” CNN. Turner Broadcasting System, 28 Nov. 2012. Web.
Check the video Pixels made about chapter 2, he addresses this. It was illegal for Native Americans to enter bars and probably Javier wouldn't be accepted either
That’s really gonna depend on when and where. Rhodes would definitely be segregated. A frontier town like Valentine would probably allow non white customers. the west and frontier tended to be slightly more tolerant, as the harsh conditions had a tendency to ease some social hierarchies
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@@RealPixelsI sent it to a friend and they were dismayed to learn that racism was real.
@@fredericksmith7942"Was" real
@@vampireguy24 oh I don’t mean to imply it’s over in any way.
@@vampireguy24Still is real.
I remember someone saying Arthur should've been more racist because of the time's but the thing they don't realise is Arthur grew up around all kinds of races as a member of Dutch's Gang. He doesn't see race like Micah does at the start, he sees loyalty.
Not only does it make sense, but it’s also a clever way to get around the racist protagonist issue
That idea also ignores that there were folks back then who actively fought against racism. Like, there have always been people who oppose that bullshit, no matter how much of a minority they were at various points. The transcendentalists here in the US, who clearly had an influence on Dutch, and by extension the rest of the gang, or atleast their counterparts in the games universe are one prominent example. There's also the various kinds of socialists who were already around by that time, and America by then already had a long history of super egalitarian, utopian Christian socialists, and more marxists/protomarxists, and anarchists of various sorts were present since atleast the civil war due to all the Fenians, and other European radicals who immigrated here and many of whom fought for the union. So, the idea that everyone back then was some massive racist is not only just kinda dumb, but also ahistorical and/or revisionist.
I mean, yeah, racism was common, but for it to stop it should have been people that weren't racist.
I don't know if it's hisyorically accurste, but in the Little House of The Praire there's racism, but it's just some character that in their respective episodes are shown as the bad guys, while the rest of the characters are not racist, and that serie takes place in like the same time as Rdr2 from what i know.
At that time, racism was the norm for EVERYONE.
Except for a small percentage of those who grew up in the poor areas of the South with children of other races. It was only after World War II that racial integration initiatives began.
1:10 I live in Norcross GA and there's a tiny park downtown called "Thrasher Park" so this was wild to hear a minute into the vid
Dude, I LOVE your videos, man. I hope you dig into the history of Red Dead Online at some point. I think my favorite thing are the bounty hunts, and the fight with that one Ned Kelly knockoff.
In California during the Gold Rush, it was common to assign the name "Diggings" or "Diggins" to a town and/or mine. This could be the origin of "dig" being used to refer to a mine. Great video as always!
Such an odd title to see in my recommended but I am impressively surprised by how well researched and respectful this is. I might have to watch the rest of these videos
Just spent my work day and some change watching your entire video series up to this point.
Thank you for all youve done up to this point. I just finished the game for the first time so this has been a wonderful time to watch all of this
I always felt racism was portrayed rather strangely in RDR2.
For one, Lenny and Arthur are able to go into the same Saloon together. Something even in the North would have caused a racist reaction. And Rockstar somewhat hides the racism that would've been ordinary for that time such as segregation signs or the hard n-word (which is only spoken by Lenny I think.) Also gangs which are dominated by a certain non-white ethnicity always has some mix of white people in them. Next to that, Arthur acts kind of naïve about the daily racism people of colour had to face during his time.
Then it suddenly switches and you've just entered a hut with chains on the wall, brutal references to the slave trade, a man preaching racial superiority in the streets, or straight up the KKK gathering in the woods.
I think I would understand Rockstar to not constantly bombard the player with the level of racism that would've been dominating the daily lives back then. But portraying this dark part of American history feels kind of concentrated and bi-polar to me.
Let's pretend they are afraid of Arthur after saloon fight
They kinda made a joke out of it and portrayed it as something in the past, with the slave catcher and Lemoyne raiders being portrayed as the last remnants of a forgotten age. The KKK were portrayed as bumbling incompetents instead of the enormous terror group that they actually were. They did a better job showing Native American discrimination than racism towards black people.
@@creepquestThat is a good point. He gave their biggest fighter brain damage.
I noticed this too, and my theory is that it would be less fun to play if there were a bunch of Micah’s running around. That, and the house leading up to the basement gave you a lot of opportunities to leave. The reality of slavery in the game is quite isolated, and more of a nod to the actual history, while the rest of the game is mostly escapism. I think that’s very much on purpose.
When I was riding my horse in the swamp, a man swung down from a tree, hung from a rope. It was a black man, and for one moment I was actually really mad at Rockstar for depicting a lynching. Right after Tilly said she was nervous to be so far south. The game didn’t really depict the racist violence going on - and I just thought of how my teenage brothers (who are black, for context) didn’t need to play their haha funny cowboy game wearing a bear hat, riding a tiny horse and suddenly come across a lynching of a black man.
But it wasn’t a lynching, it was a randomized NPC and it was the crazy night people who attack you in the swamp. After they started chasing me I was like oh thank the lord…it’s only a gang of crazed swamp people
The isolation of the slavers’ house makes sense to me, and I can appreciate that they acknowledge the actual history while also keeping it separate, leaving the game more of a gentler version of reality.
It’s almost ironic I think this is a case where playing pretend with history is the better option.
Ah, and the eugenics and the KKK events are jokes - they are the punchline. You can knife the eugenics guy and feed him to the *aligator with the police looking on doing nothing. The KKK are a bunch of bumbling idiots setting themselves on fire.
The slavers house was not a joke. Even if you go back and kill the guy, there’s no humor or triumph. And I think that was the history moment.
You've done a wonderful job undertaking and executing a video on this horrible and difficult subject. Thank you!
This is a very thorough, professional, and sensitively delivered video, and so appropriate for Black History Month. I’m glad I could enjoy these facts about one of my favorite games while appreciating the detail Rockstar puts into their storytelling.
There is no "black history" month
Last time I was this early, Mac was still alive.
Mac Callender?
@@noamias4897 No, Mac & Cheese.
Yes, Mac Callander. Who else is named Mac in the game?
@@eamonfitzmartin998 Mac and Cheese died? D:
@@j-skullz A sad day for all Mac & Cheese fans in 1899 . . .
Atlanta GA was a city in the 1890’s. In fact it was founded in 1837 but was village far before then. It is also the only American city to ever be completely destroyed during any war. During the civil war it was burned to the ground and almost everything that exists today is from after that point in time.
Love this series. Great work dude. Thoroughly researched and well presented.
RDR2 changed my life lol.
I haven't been so engaged with a story since readng LOTR in Highschool. RDR2 is an experience. So immersive and compelling. I WAS Arthur Morgan. I felt like I was at these places, doing these things. I could almost smell the forest at sunrise and the tar on the railroad ties in the hot sun and the horse apples in the street. I cared about the charachters, felt a pang when they died. Hated Micah with a passion. Just so well done.
If you have genuine hate for a fictional charachter.... thats solid writing.
Rockstar... for all their faults...can tell a good story. They do the work and do it right.
I am right there with you on how immersed I feel by this game and its story. For me it is comparable with my experience and love for LOTR as well.
One thing you missed: pretty sure Compson's name itself is a reference to Faulkner, especially The Sound and the Fury, which depicts an old Southern family whose members have trouble adjusting to the modernization of the South.
I love watching these videos. I don't even wanna know how much time it must have cost to get all the information.
My day, my week, and my black history month has been made by this video. In all seriousness though, I'm so glad you uploaded something new as I've just been rewatching your old content. 😭
Good video, would you make also a historical accurare of rdr1? So we can see more of new austin and mexico?
I need you to keep making these videos bro, they're so good
It’s actually disturbingly accurate especially when Lenny dropped hard R hadn’t seen any media show it so graphically since Django unchained I love being black 💀
Have you played Mafia 3, because boy do they drop hard Rs left and right.
@@apotato1228 but that’s the thing, it’s meant to be accurate and capture the racism of the time. It’s not done for shock value.
@@xandercrews4729 are you under the impression that ni**er wasn’t a common word in the 60s? It was said left and right, it is historically accurate
The most likely inspiration for the Braithwait mansion is 100% the Oak Alley Plantation in Louisiana.
And also candyland from Django
Bro I don't think you understand how happy you're making some rock stars employees with these videos
Wonderful video and series so far, you're doing a great job! I'm learning a lot about American history thanks to you. ❤
Your research is fantastic and I've loved every single one of your RDR2 videos.
When playing rdr2 for the first time, I was a little surprised that Javier, Lenny, and Charles were freely allowed into the saloon. I understand that it's just a game convention for the story quests of chapter 2, but it seemed to me that at that time there should have been a sign at the entrance "for white men only" (if I'm not mistaken, women were also not allowed to enter the saloon, only if they didn't work there). I don't live in America and I may be wrong, but it seems to be the case.
you forgot when lenny get called Hard R by Lemoyne ryders
I imagine RDR2 tones down the racism massively across the board, the Lemoyne parts are probably the closest you can get to actual history and even then it's still not racist enough compared to real life.
Fair point, but would you want to play that?
@@dadassery8506 yes, personally I'd love to see a more historically accurate representation as it is more immersive and would encourage people to learn about the u.s. wrong doings in the 1800s as most educators just gloss over it.
@@dadassery8506 Of course, I'm not a woke leftist who would faint from the word starting with the letter n
I love this series so much. You do amazing work.
These are my favorite videos on TH-cam ❤️
Your rdr2 videos have been absolutely amazing. Sadly I don't think there is another game like this for you to keep it up.
Okay, partner... you have convinced me to subscribe. I'm dumbfounded by how much efforts in research you must have went through for every historical related video.
Certainly made me curious on how accurate the historical source itself like.... I'm not from United States. I don't think I can find any record of a person living in my country by 1800s unless it's a super important figure.
Can you really dig info on some random person from 1800s in US??
One of the realest pixels out there, this guy. I looked at him and I said, "wow, what a real pixel."
(Jokes aside you rock thanks for the content )
Can we all acknowledge that your Arthur is ballin in that drip 🙏🙏🙏
Id love to see all of these vids in one compilation when theyre finished
This is gonna be a spicy one 😂 Always a pleasure to hear from you, my man. I love this series.
I think the Mr black and Mr white is also a reference to a pair of characters in blood meridian
Small correction on the pistol. It is actually a percussion cap, not a flintlock. Both are muzzle loaders, but the flintlock requires the hammer to strike a frizzen, which creates the spark to ignite the gunpowder, where as percussion caps are small, self-contained charges placed on a nipple that are struck by the hammer to ignite the charge. While there were some flintlocks put into service out of desperation to arm men during the Civil War, percussion caps were the standard of the day.
remember folks, it’s not just the Democrats the Republicans and the north had slaves and after slavery both parties supported Jim Crow redlining and segregation. It’s the American government in general.. the last slave was freed in 1941…hope that helps the inevitable political battle in the comments…
yo bro, you got a similar vooce to allan from smiling friends, RRALLY GOOD VID keep it up these are reaaly good
It's almost like our ancestors knew exactly what they were talking about just because you have the odd Ben Carson are Herman Cain it doesn't make up for the hordes of bad ones
Good video overall, but I feel like it glossed over the KKK activity present in the game and the eugenics preacher in Saint Denis.
Good to see you finding a way to continue this series !
Red Dead Redemption 2 was not only a great game in terms of graphics and controls but it is such a well researched game.
REAL PIXELS IS BACCCCKKK “AIRHORN”🎉
I can never get tired of hearing your voice.
On my 8th or soemthing playthrough
the moment we’ve all been waiting for boys
For me with butchers creek I always think of the song bitter creek by the eagles. Not sure if bitter creek actually was a real place or what in the story of the dalton gang. Not sure. But the whole desperado album is great to listen to when playing rdr2. Sometimes anyways.
I love this series. If its not to much to ask, could you do a video on Back to The Future and how historically accurate it is?
Where's the inevitable "Why'd you have to make it political?" comment?
ive always felt like the racism wasnt that accurate in rdr2. its clear that lemoyne is the games designated racist state and lenny both experiences and talks about the racism in story missions but im just now seeing the little camp interaction where tilly also mentions the racism. of course theres the kkk and the doctor who was stolen from in rhodes but i feel like during this period lenny tilly and charles would have had more trouble in way more places than just rhodes and the immediate surrounding area. at the same time i would have felt super sad if their struggles were more hamfisted so maybe its for the best. im just yapping.
it was relatively very tame imo and in line with keeping controversy to a minimum on Rockstar's part while still 'addressing' it as an obvious elephant in the room.
Will you do the same historical break down with RDR1?
5:39 slight nitpick, but slavery is still technically legal in the US as punishment for a crime which is absolutely disgusting. There are entire industries here that rely on exploiting free labor from prisoners who have no choice but to work for no pay and with no benefits.
Well when you disrgard society, ignore the rights of those living within it and the laws that uphold it, you choose to be separate from it and forfiet all rights and privledges it provides.
Your pay and benefits in prison is room and board, 3 meals a day and healthcare.
Citizens don't have that guarentee. I have to work to eat and live indoors. I have to pay for health care. And I have to pay for theirs.
Who's the slave? Nobody is paying 45k a year for me to exist and do nothing with accesss to free education, job training, psychotherapy, medical care and legal advice. I have to work to eat. It isn't brought to my room for me by a public servant.
Prison sucks for a reason. You are supposed to not want to go there. Its not supposed to be a place where you profit and enjoy your time. The benefit is we let you live there instead of being killed or exiled to a rock to starve in the elements. The benefit is you get a chance at redemption.
If your morality doesn't prevent you from criminality, hopefully the fear of going to a hellhole full of the worst people on earth will.
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I love the fact you picked up on that. It's one of the main reasons, I'm an advocate for prison reform. To elaborate on the "industries and free labor" part, the prison maintenance is 80% done by the prisoners, which saves the prison hundreds of millions yearly, prisoners are typically intimidated into and face repercussions if they decide not to participate. Prisoners generate BILLIONS for the government yearly (YES WITH A B AND A S.) The thought that because they're "prisoners" they don't deserve a fair wage or benefits because they're provided free living (that they manage) and get 3 meals (that they provide for themselves) a day is idiotic. There's a reason why we're building as many prisons as schools; that in itself is terrifying.
@@gwoody4003that’s just apologetics for the continuation of slavery. Two wrongs don’t make a right. So your arguments only work with those who are morally bankrupt.
@@masonharvath-gerrans832 slavery implies they were wrongfully taken against their will and pressed into labor.
Prisoners commited crimes, stood trial, were found guilty and then were incarcerated.
They chose to commit crimes.
And its been proven that work aids in rehabilitation and overall behavior in prisons.
In the society they refuse to be a member of, we work for what we have. We have a choice of how and where we work, but to have things like food, clothing, shelter, hobbies, etc... we gotta work. Its not voluntary, its mandatory.
Expecting convicts to make themselves useful while they are being put up, kept alive and babysat on the taxpayer's dime isn't unreasonable, and its not slavery. They chose to go to prison. They didn't ask for it, but their actions they did choose came with that consequence.
And don't give me that "poverty provides little other options" liberal BS. They aren't in prison for stealing bread to feed a family.
Being in prison doesn't make you a bad person, but don't go implying people in prison are good people. They are there for a reason. Expecting them to wash their own clothes, cook their own food, clean their own messes and provide some service to cover a fraction of the cost of their upkeep isn't a humanitarian attrocity.
Did you ever do Geology for Beginners? I'd love to hear about the intentional anachronisms Rockstar made for the guy who gives you that one.
Ngl i thought the title said something different for a second💀
Just woke up thanks for the video 😊
Probably The BEST Red Dead Channel right now. Great Content man👌🏾👍🏾
I think people forgot that RDR2 isn't meant to be a history lesson, it's a damn video game
So the racism wasnt entirely realistic, neither is getting shot 15 times and downing food and snake oil to heal gunshot wounds. Or smoking a tobacco to make you a better marksman.
It's almost like they had to balance out realism and fantasy to make the game as enjoyable as possible
Does anyone know if I’m able to find these types of video in audio format or on Spotify as a podcast?
i wish! that would be amazing
You put in the work. Thanks for the great vids.
It got toned down a lot
Unfortunately for modern people had to happen. They already had issue with Haitans and Cubans in GTA VC.
And Neversoft with Natives in their western game called Gun.
hey, not sure if you did a separate take on this, but you missed the Klan. On scarce opportunities you can encounter Klan meetings trough the map, most notably Lemoyne.
And the inclusion of it is somewhat inaccurate, as the Klan had mostly been disbanded since the 1870s and didn't resurface until 1915.
although, if you encounter them, Klan members show an incredible level of incompetence and a lack of numbers, so maybe this is the justification for their inclusion.
I am currently staying home to watch this.
I'll watch this later, but leave my like now
I play this game everyday and its amazing how accurate it historically is.
Heyyy... there he is
*Well, now we seem to be getting into the more... undesirable side of history, to say the least*
A part that should not be forgotten though.
You should really go into the real history of rdr1. It’s a great game that doesn’t have nearly the same amount of research as the 2nd game put into it from TH-cam creators
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John james... THRASHER 🔥🔥🔥🤘🏻🤘🏻
Great vid, as always
Despite how incomplete the game was at release, I uncomfortably enjoyed how Mafia 3 turned racial segregation into a game mechanic 💀💀💀
I don't want this to end!
Great video!
love your vids
I feel like this was more about vocabulary than racism. Still interesting.
Fantastic series!
love this series!
Asking the real questions here
These videos are amazing
Next should be how historically accurate sexism is in rdr2
6:25 im sorry I must chime in you did miss something it's more than likely Jeremiah compson payed share croppers and then somehow ran out of money
I put my part in for how accurate the racism is 🙌
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I thought you were done. Im glad you aren't!
Damn...America is crazy
Needs more of it
Read Blood Meridian then
Gonna make it better
If you want a historically accurate snapshot of racism in the old West, read Blood Meridian. If you want a 4kids anime adaptation of that sort of setting, play RD2.
The postmodern anachronism is plain insulting if you have any semblance of historical understanding.
I don't care how accurate Compson's gun model was to the setting, I care about how hamfisted and forced it was that they don't even give the player a choice to hate him on their own. In RD1 you can let a cannibal child-killer drag a husband away to become dinner just because it's not your problem. Or you can take him to the railroad tracks or sheriff for justice. It's your choice.
But when it comes to touchy modern political subjects like racism or Native displacement suddenly the kid gloves need to come on. Natives weren't stupid puppets or whiny crybabies who sat around moping all day. They were incredibly intelligent and proud warriors. I think it's so disrespectful to remove their autonomy and present them as nothing more than brainless cannon fodder and a "Crying Indian ad" because depicting them as cunning warriors goes against the pop culture weepy victim narrative that everybody's grown comfortable with.