Negotiation Expert Reacts: Better Call Saul | Saul Goodman vs. Tuco Salamanca
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- Kwame Christian, Esq. reacts to Better Call Saul.
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He takes them to the hospital right after, and they say he's the worst lawyer ever. And he says "I talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation. I'm the best lawyer ever.
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He negociated with arguably the craziest sociopath on the show and brought the sentence down from an execution to a broken leg. I would say he's negociator hall of fame.
Eh, I think Hector and Lalo are even bigger sociopaths than Tuco. At least Tuco was able to be reasoned with here; if it were Hector or Lalo instead of Tuco, Jimmy probably would have died alongside the skateboarders.
@@LanceVanceDance84 i agree if it’s hector, but i think lalo could be somewhat reasoned with aswell. When lalo was pressuring jimmy to tell him the truth about what happened in the desert, kim argues with him and he then leaves without ever knowing what actually happened. Only time he can’t be reasoned with is if he doesn’t really have another option, like killing the guy from travel wire who’s seen his face. Plus i doubt he would do something like this for a small crime.
@@LanceVanceDance84 tuco is very stupid, but his reckless unpredictability makes him dangerous, but yeah hector is not only more smart but more dangerous
@@LanceVanceDance84 Hector may be worse, but he's willing to negotiate. He gave Mike $50k after Mike beat his guys up and threatened him.
broken leg = break a leg = lucky
brsvo vince
Regarding his appeal to emotion -- yes, it didn’t sell, but it did get his foot in the door to start the negotiation. Saul noticed how much this principled psychopath cared about his abuelita (grandma) when they were at Tuco’s house before taken to the desert, so he used that observation to first distract Tuco from the target of his rage: the twins. “Think about their mother” shifted his attention and anger. The mere fact that Tuco listened to Saul paint that detailed picture of mom means he was engaging, despite having to change tactics again.
Also it felt like Tuco agreed with Saul on the point that his grandmother didn't deserve it implicitly when he said "they should have thought about that".
@@QuantumOverlord also he tells them to tell your momma your sorry
I agree also when breaking there legs he shouted "You tell your mama your sorry Bitch!"
"They called her biznatch." That line always gets me
Yep, it wasn't a failed tactic, it was the first blow in a combo that slowly chipped away at his rage to make it more manageable.
Saul was basically cycling between strategies to see what worked. When the appeal to mercy failed, he appealed to the gangster's pride and sense of justice, tried to boost his ego by painting him as a man of fairness. That worked.
"the gansters" :skull:
yet the 2 bastards were still ungrateful. man just saved their lives
@@baglespelledwrong8159 bro tried to use discord emojis on TH-cam
@@elzandi I dont use discord
@@elzandi bro really just said :skull: 💀
You caught this, but I think it should be noted how Saul was smart to open possible punishments with the laughably minimal "black eye." It is literally a "low ball" offer and makes Tuco laugh, but after that, Saul can keep bargaining the punishment's severity lower because he opened with something so minimal (that could be dismissed without thought), that everything to come after would seem better than "just a black eye" to Tuco. What they settle on is still much worse than a black eye, but much lighter than a death sentence.
I caught that as well, and was surprised when the lawyer didn't bring that up - the "lowball" aspect.
It is actually called anchoring bias and is specifically used in negotiations. The first offer you make in a negotiation sets the tone for everything that follows, during an experiment people were asked to multiply 1*2*3*4*5*6*8 in less than 10 seconds, the first group was given a paper with the digits written from Lower to higher and the second had an inverted one, obviously no one got close to the real answer being more than 40k but the answers of the two groups on average diverted of more than 3k from each other because the first group started multiplying by 2 while the second had 8.
@dannytv 4,608
@dannytv He meant to multiply by 7 as well (between 8 and 6). They were probably asking the groups to calculate 8 factorial.
Yeah, he talked them down from death sentence to 6 months probation
"Your the Worst Lawyer ever!"
"I just talked you down from death row to 6 months probation. I'm the best lawyer ever!" 😂
I'm really sad this line didn't get into the video
This was great. Did you notice how he put his knife away? That was the moment we knew he was getting somewhere.
Great observation! I didn't see that one.
@@kwamechristianesq.4558 Another Esquire, just like Jimmy, "James M. McGill Esquire, how may I direct your call?"
This is the excact moment, Tuco Salamanca became Tough but Fair
@@Lillenmedmillen bravo Vince
What's even cooler is he appealed to Tuco's image of himself even if it's false. Tuco is not tough but fair he's a lunatic but he likes to think he isn't. Very effective.
Shows that ego-based self-identification is usually at best tangential to reality
Tuco Salamanca is the kind of guy who has done much worse for much less, so Jimmy is one hell of a negotiator to talk Tuco down from a Columbia necktie each, to having their eyes gouged out, down to one broken leg each.
They slandered the Salamanca name by calling his grandmother a derogatory name, which is a death penalty to a Salamanca, especially Tuco. So, Jimmy pulled off a miracle by letting them leave that desert with their lives.
The one henchman that Tuco gets in his face for speaking for him, doesn’t learn his lesson here and pays a far greater price than these two skateboarders did in Breaking Bad. He needed Jimmy to be there to negotiate for him and maybe he’d still be around?
And the other henchman who was killed for just straight up no reason in the same BrBa Episode, so yeah Jimmy is an amazing lawyer
@@LaChroniqueEdgy1816 Are you talking about the guy who got his arm pinned under a stack of crushed cars? His death really entertained Hank when the cops found the two men.
Now I wonder if this would have worked with Hector.
@@fernandosegovia8806 Doubtful. Hector's too old school for this to work on, and Lalo is too smart to get talked down from killing to simply breaking bones. Not to mention the twins, who probably wouldn't understand a word of what Jimmy said. Realistically, Tuco is probably the only Salamanca this tactic could work on, and only because at this point in time he's not high on meth.
@@LaChroniqueEdgy1816 His other henchman got himself killed when he moved the body.
I'd argue that Saul's garb is actually what Tuco actively relates to; because Jimmy _isn't_ dressed casually but professionally, Tuco sub- or even semi-consciously picks up on the idea that this 'lawyer' is legit, because he's 'othered' by the suit. The suit also looks ridiculous in the desert; Jimmy looks incongruous, ergo he's is paradoxically afforded that extra aspect of lowered humility alongside that potentially 'unbiased outsider' look.
Damn that’s a great point! Especially considering the Justice angle.
Yeah Tuco doesn't think about stuff like "He's dressed more professionally so we're not on the same level"
He yelled at Walter expecting him to cure No Dope's seizure because Walter was smart, even with no knowledge of anything medical
6:31 The funniest part about Tuco having that weapon, is that he is capable of killing them with his fists, very easily. In my opinion, the knife is hardly changing the mortal threat. More just a shift from blunt force trauma to the head, to widespread lacerations and heavy blood loss. Yeah, you're right, the knife is worse.
It doesn't show in this clip, but Tuco's "initial bargaining position" was to skin them alive. You know... call me crazy, but I'd rather be beaten to death 😅
No Doze wanted the knife
Tuco is absolutely my favorite. He’s SO over the top, while also being genuinely terrifying. The writing is fucking top notch.
His “Colombian necktie” line is INCREDIBLE.
I think the context is everything on this scene.
The whole execution started because of the two harassing an old lady that just happens to be his grandma.
When he described their mother, he was actually describing this old lady.
I think Saul is waaaaay underestimated on this scene as he could provoke on Tuco the self identification effect, which bound him to the boys destiny.
Before that, whether their gonna live or die was meaningless, Tuco was basically venting out his rage for his grandma distress.
But right after that description (and most important, Tuco's acceptance of that description as truth), he couldn't hurt them without provoking distress to another very similar old lady.
In other words, unconsciously, he got concerned he would be responsible for yet another distress to his grandma (anothe one's mother, but our brain sometimes can't tell the difference).
So, he turned to Saul in order to find a way to not distress their mother, but still venting out his rage properly.
Tuco as a character doesn't care about people from outside his family. So the only way to avoid his rage is to make him identify you as a family member (or a family friend).
Walt managed to do that, but that backfired once he became paranoid
It wasn't just harassing, they were trying to con her. One would skateboard in front of the victim's car and get hit then they would try to extort money from the victim for the accident. The original plan (and Jimmy was in on it) was to con someone else in a similar vehicle, but they got the wrong vehicle.
You only make such insightful observations because you're Saul's brother.
I see you, Mr. Goodman.
@@jondunmore4268 * looks concerned in a applebee's uniform and a fake moustache *
Ehhh.... Who is Saul?
@@ruffusgoodman4137 who is saul i only see gene fellow over here
@@greybeardmc tuco was only mad that they called her a biz natch
For some out of this world reason I was in this situation being the one on death row and a lawyer like Saul saved me like that, I'd be praising the man till the day I die. Instead these two idiots called him the worst lawyer after all that. The audacity lol. Great show, just started the second season today.
To be fair you probably aren’t thinking rationally when you get hit you’re leg broken by a gangster in the desert. The pain probably overwhelms any rational thought
Well that's just the thing. The skaters _were_ idiots. Lol.
It was saul's fault they were in the situation in the first place though
missed an “If” in there somewhere
@@HopUpOutDaBed Nobody told them to insult that woman lol that was on them
This is why my discussions with nudists never go well. I always show up overdressed.
Show up in just a necktie next time
@@melteddali8000 Tuco here can sort you out with a Colombian Necktie. He's a great guy!
"his clothes aren't ideal for this negotiation"
I mean . . . it's not like he had time and prior notice to prepare for this lol
He’s just trying to teach people about negotiations
The fact he got Tuco, a man whom he had just met and almost got killed by merely minutes ago, to not only not kill the two skateboarders, but also get a handshake from him just shows you the level of negotiating skills that Jimmy has.
I also love that as saul is taking them to the hospital his client calls him the worst lawyer ever. To which he responds “I just talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation… I’m the best lawyer ever.”
Never in my life did I think such a video would ever exist 😲
Apparently there is a god.
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 lmaooooooo i love this comment. just goes to show you how good this show is that people can analyze it so much
Your great analysis only makes this already awesome scene even better!
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"You're a shit lawyer..."
"You had the death sentence, I got you six months probation. I'm the best lawyer ever."
Saul/Jimmy having the ability to negotiate with Tuco, is the reason why later on in the show, when Tuco's cousin Lalo, who is more calm, and laid back, but still a psychopath, comes into town, wants Saul/Jimmy to help out the cartel, and represent one of their guys, Krazy 8, who is locked up in jail. So Saul/Jimmy was able to talk Tuco down from killing the two skater guys, but ultimately it screwed him later on. One of my all time favorite shows, right alongside Breaking Bad, and The Sopranos.
The initial appeal to emotion was definitely critical to Saul's success here. He had NO leg to stand on, no backup on the way, his own safety was only recently assured and still very easily revoked. And he somehow ended it with Tuco giving him a completely invented authority to 'agree' to the situation, borderline asking Saul for permission. Even if having a doting self-sacrificing mother didn’t endear the twins to Tuco, Saul agreeing with Tuco that the twins were idiots who didn't deserve her worked to put him and Tuco on equal footing.
The professional attire is also key imo. Tuco is a rabid idiot but he was very firmly taught to respect authority. Saul looking like an authority figure off the bat gave him better chances, and made it easier for Tuco to buy into Saul somehow being in charge of the situation.
Regardless of whether they liked the deal or not. I can guarantee no other lawyer could've done any better given the circumstances. Sometimes you just gotta take what you can get, and be grateful it wasn't worse.
When Saul says "I talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation," that doesn't even capture the full extent. They were going to get it so much worse than a simple death sentence if Saul hadn't talked Tuco down. Best lawyer ever
“It’s subtle, but it’s important”
Same delivery as
“Tough, but fair”
I have to say I strongly disagree on your first point about Saul’s clothes making him lose in credibility.
In fact, I think it does rather make him a favor and stands as an advantage in his negotiation.
Remember, Tuco is literally a capricious kid - well, at least he kinda acts like it - and the fact that Saul wears a suit psychologically puts him in the posture of the parent and makes Tuco basically the toddler, hence his enhanced ability to listen to him while Saul steps further into the negotiation. Also, watch carefully Tuco’s reaction as the negotiation is growing. Besides, we could also analyze Saul’s look as a vital reminder of his social status. He still is, nonetheless, a lawyer after all. And that is a genuine strong reminder that must cool down Tuco fierce anger and keeps him cold-blooded.
I'd disagree. Your explanation would have made sense if Tuco had a normal childhood, but he had always been in the game. The cartel absolutely hate the government. They *would rather die* than to help them in any way.
"Stroke or no stroke, gangbang Mexicans don't help feds" - Steve Gomez.
Saul obviously isn't involved with the DEA, but I'd say him wearing a suit subconsciously aligns him closer to the feds than it does to the cartel. *Especially* since Saul had previously lied about being an undercover FBI agent, in which Tuco initially believed. There was also the first time they met at his home, when Saul claimed he was an officer of the court. "Open up in the name of the law." That's twice he gave Tuco the impression that he was involved with the feds. The only reason Tuco gave Saul the benefit of a doubt, that he was actually just some *nobody lawyer,* is because Nacho reminded him that he had been respectful throughout all their interactions.
@@mardicai I think your argument is a complete stretch and purely hypothetical, just from viewing the video you can see a level of respect tuco is giving Saul, part of that I think is the suit
"this is getting out of hand very quickly" - every conversation with Tuco
You didn’t miss a beat. This video is evidence you’re excellent at your job and extremely keen on every tactic; impressive and enjoyable to watch. I’m sharing this to the planet now. Cheers!
Thanks so much!
Do we all love Raymond Cruz (Tuco) or what??
Only Saul was able to talk to Tuco like that, without blowing up his office. So, there's that.
Everybody is a negotiation expert but in front of Toco Salamanca only people like Jimmy can negotiate others will be negotiating in their mind whether to piss or poop.
"I just talked you down from a death sentence... to six months' probation. I'm the best lawyer ever!"
,Saul Goodman
Sauls the kind of lawer that would make their client get paid instead of death sentence.
Very awesome!! Id love to watch you react to the entire series haha
I’d pay to watch this...
There is a good scene in season 3 in trial
Maybe you can find if you search chuck vs jimmy
“Chicanery”?
This was amazing! I know how great Saul/Jimmy was at getting out of this situation alive, but it's cool knowing why
Wow this is a very fresh and unique perspective on better call Saul! Great job man
There's another episode late in season 5 where another character, Kim Wexler negotiates on Saul's behalf. It's similar to this one in a lot of respects.
“You’re the worst lawyer ever!”
“I got you down from the death penalty to 6 months probation, I’m the BEST lawyer ever”
This was really enjoyable, thank you!
This video is about to blow up im calling it
You may be right.
You have possibly THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SMILE of anyone on this earth!
Fantastic video, entertaining and educational. Terrific all around.
"I talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation. I'm the best lawyer in the world."
I really don't think that Tuco would be at all interested in discussing the particulars of avoiding infections in the desert lol. I wouldn't have risked a backslide in the negotiations by annoying him.
But I'm not a lawyer lol
this commentary was so fun to watch! thanks for uploading.
What an incredibly cool video and channel! Glad I ran into this, you’re great at weaving your expertise into the footage. Hope to see more of this kind of media analysis from you!
The fact that you were able to analyze a fictional scene the same way you would a real negotiation is just another testament to how incredible this show is
Saul made up the story about her scrubbing the floors of rich people specifically because Saul assumed Tuco may have a family member who is a cleaning woman.
This video is obviously just to teach about negotiations. Why’s everyone thinking it’s a critique of BCS?
Great video, would love to see more like this especially about better call Saul, but just in general about famous negotiations in pieces of media
This was a fun one. The tip about dressing like your prospect, but just a little bit better, is the first time I've heard that. Thank you, Kwame.
Best analysis ever!
This needs more views. Cool video!
Tuco already was a Meth addict at that point of time.
He wasn’t. Nacho only wants him dead a few episodes later
@@unclekarl5219 yes he was, nacho talks about it, he says something like: he's became unpredictable since he's consuming
@@banja9172 that’s a few episodes after this
@@unclekarl5219 how naco know he become unpredictable after consuming? Because he already consume it from few episode back
In a criminal case this is the equivalent of negotiating a client from Death Row to 6 months probation.
Amazing video, enjoyed it a lot
Jimmy’s energy and affect stayed the same throughout, almost like an emotional anchor. Tuco responded in how his how own energy adjusted to match, mirroring Jimmy almost like synchronicity. It is a beautiful demonstration of how effective it is to manage someone else’s behavior by modeling what you want to see. (Bit of a risky move when you’re in a desert with an unstable personality though lol)
GREAT analysis and a fun watch. Agreed on all points, with awesome explanations. And lol on the comparisons to ‘real life representation’ vs ‘gangsta sh*t’! Bravo, good sir!
Interesting concept to analyse this chapter, good job and very informative.
This shows the brilliance of the writing.
Literally 10 seconds before he was on his knees, hands bound behind his back. He didn't have time to go home and put on a bowling shirt. The fact that he negotiated at all after that is a win.
So Saul should have asked Tuco to wait while he will go to change his clothes.
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This video is so underrated!
Okay, so I watched this video on a lark expecting it to be like an old Charisma on Command video where I just kind of zone out and consume the visual equivalent of junk food - mildly entertaining, nothing real gained - while i think about something else and mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe it sparks a little train of thought that i can go somewhere. but within the first 5 minutes, you've actually made me appreciate the writing of the show even more - which i wasn't sure was possible - by showing off some of the moves of the characterization
Gonna have to watch that The Office one in the sidebar
Thanks so much! I'm a big fan of Charisma on Command so that means a lot to me.
Saul talked that man down from a death sentence to 6 months probation. A+ negotiation in my books
Great reaction, great content!
My favorite part is when they call him the worst lawyer ever and Saul says "I just talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation, I'm the best lawyer ever."
Subscribed I love this content!
“Dress like your prospect, but just a little bit better…”
I never thought about this before. I’d try it on my boss, but she’d probably be wondering why I’m in drag.
Very entertaining. You’re a captivating entertainer
Now I wanna get in trouble so I can hire you as my lawyer
I’m studying english and this video has helped me a lot, thank you
Great I loved it and I agree with everything you said
he wasn't saul goodman during that time yet. he was jimmy mcgill, but i agree that saul fits better
Personally I think Jimmy took a big risk when he made up the story about the mother of those two skateboarders!
Great video!
More Reactions Please!
good stuff, keep it up
Go Buckeyes!
Current osu student here :)
Also love the vid and better call Saul
I love how Tuco is a psycho but isn’t quite as psychotic yet. As he probably hasn’t gotten hooked on meth or drugs yet. But he has his usual psycho flareups and explosive temper but isn’t offf the wall psycho yet.
Analyze the Better Call Saul scene "Tell me Again"
Criticizing that his clothes don’t fit the scene 😅 do you even know how he got there?
Jimmy is a lawyer. They mistook that old lady and ended up here by accident.
Jimmy is a crook.
@@anamorfoplasis "He has a way of doing the worst things for reasons that sound almost noble." Late Chuck
the thing about him wearing a suit is completely moot, jimmy was there against his will and obviously did not dress to be taken out into the desert
I feel as if Saul could have spoke more about their importance to him and his business. Reasoning, I need them in my day to day activities. You have me as a trustworthy servant in law from this point forward. If you are in a legal bind I got you Tuco...they have been beaten, and if they step out of line again, I will not hesitate to call u. Let them go with me so I can continue your business or whatever favor you may need. Hell, it could be a carwash, your laundry, more importantly, surveillance for you or errands I need them to run on your behalf. They work for you now, gringos and now you have a foot in their world.
I liked this a lot
persuasion is a brush, not a hammer
I think another thing to look at is the way saul is standing, he isnt standing up straight and his head is tilted at an angle that makes it seem like he's looking up at tuco (dude with the knife). saul looks pretty tall and if he stood at attention, he is most likely taller than tuco but the way he's speaking to him and the way he is making himself seem small every time tuco gets mad helps show tuco that yes saul is talking and negotiating but at the end of the day tuco is the big man and the one in charge. it kinda goes back with matching the clothing, didn't take off the coat to bring himself down to their level style wise but he lowered himself physically to show he's nothing to them so not worth hurting.
but then again it could be because he's afraid, but body language is also a great negotiating tool I think
Two big context points:
1. The point about their mother was as they initially scammed the cartel guy's mother
2. The lawyer was actually captured with them
Pretty interesting and unexpected analysis. I would have liked to see his opinion on other things saul could have done or said that would have been as or more effective.
"I talked them down from a death sentence to 6 months probation... I'm the BEST lawyer ever!" - Saul Goodman
Bro needs fuckin subs your the most credible person on here makin gods content 👍🏽
reacting the same way did it for me
what did i just hear?! did you just refer to to Tuco as that "gentleman" ?? that minus 10 point for hufflepuff
negotiate for a dress shirt to go with that nice jacket
"Alright, so let's break this down"
What, the leg?
“YOURE THE WORST LAWYER EVER!” “I just talked you down from a death sentence to 6 months probation. I’m the best lawyer ever.”