Wanda didn't seem to miss her brother Quicksilver with whom she spent whole childhood and most of her adulthood, And the love of her life Vision, But yeah she wanted her made up kids (for like 2 weeks) with whom she barely spent any time with...🤦🏻♂️
Exactly. Felt like it was more about Wanda movie then a Dr. Strange movie. Even if it was about wanda, it was a mess of a story. I think those who like it have a poor story telling IQ if you know what I mean. They see the actions and it awe's them but clueless about an actually good story.
@@BiblicalAuthority1611 points like yours always annoy the heck out of me. What you’re doing is lumping everyone who likes the movie into a corner and saying “they don’t understand but us? The loud MINORITY? We understand.”
@@christianray8973 The movie was a disaster. Strange 1 great right? 2 was a mess of a story, plot and logic. This was more of a prequel of Wanda vision. I don't even know if the directors and produces follow the comics. The story was just that bad. To "woke" for me. Dr. Strange could handle Thanos but couldn't do well at all against a 1 eyes squid. I could continue but for myself it was a mess of a movie telling story.
Personally, I thought that was the point. Several things in this movie was just funny and it seemed intentional. Like zombie Strange. I don't mind it at all either, I don't suppose we would ever get any more movies where she plays a bigger role. This movie was all about Wanda and Strange. Concluding Wanda's grief (ish) and concluding Strange's hang-up about his personal life. I liked the movie and it was different.
Professor X losing a psychic battle against Scarlet Witch is some worse thing i ever heard... as far as I know, the only other person that could beat Professor X's psychic power is Jean Grey.
You’re taking the scene out of context. Wanda was possessing an innocent version of herself who had two kids…Professor X was not tryna bring harm to his universes Wanda. Wanda on the other hand was going in with murderous intent.
I hope patrick stewart is happy, he was killed as picard and he was killed as profesor x. though to be fair he was also killed as uriel septim so there is that, the man wants no legacy of him left in this world.
“I have a lot of anxiety with Doctor Strange because I’ve never really had to lead a commercial film by myself” ~ Elizabeth Olson to the NY Times. In case there was still any doubt who they consider the lead to be.
Every marvel movie that comes out everyone says that villain sucked, and when infinity war made thanos the main character essentially everyone loved it. And now they give Wanda optimal screen time have a villainous arch, you all shit on it and hate it. What did you want? Her to just be bad and have no explanation for it? You would have shit on that too? Dr. Strange is very much the protagonist of the film, Wanda is the ANTAGONIST. While I agree that America was relied on too much for plot and character and overall I agree the film could have been better, but this criticism is just dumb.
@@jimhalpert0 would you prefer Wanda have 0 scenes alone and we only see her when she’s with strange and not explain anything really or develop her arch? They make a hero a compelling villain, and you all shit on it. And you’re surprised when marvel villains are under developed? It’s bc when they do something like this you hate on it. The concept of a protagonist and an antagonist are lost on you.
Wanda; let go of her vengeance against Stark once she learned what Ultron had planned, and joined the Avengers losing her brother. Wanda; sacrificed the love of her life and was willing to kill Vision in order to defeat Thanos and protect humanity. 2 movies later... Also Wanda; enslaved an entire town, traumatized children, killed innocent people, gave way to dark magic, and traveled the multi verse in order to kidnap someone else's children then ultimately killed herself What a hero! Edit; I forgot to mention how Wanda accidentally killed innocents and basically allowed herself to be imprisoned out of fear of hurting others.
@@GrimmtokiAMV shes being sarcastic, and she was a grat hero up to this movie and depending on how she would have chosen to redeem herself for what she did to westview... But i guess they chose the exact opposite direction
@@phoenix1985gr Wanda wasn't a great hero, she caused alot of the mistake the avengers had to deal with and ran away from it with vision once and then ran away again
It was hysterical, until you think about it and just shake your head. It actually happens that way, and knowing the bios of those involved, it’s very possible it was purposefully done. It’s THE MESSAGE X3,000
"Grief is the villain." Last time I checked the vast majority of people who grieve the loss of a loved one don't turn into mass murderers. So I'd argue that the mass murderer is the villain.
most people also dont have powers that literally allow them to completely alter reality with a single thought, that are heavily tied to their mentally unstable emotions. "no more mutants", anyone?
It could work, especially since we've already seen Wanda's dark side, but they needed to take something like this slow and gradually develop it. As it is it's rushed, poorly developed, and pulled in too many different directions.
@@ctmdarkonestm Yes, but the symbiote had a hand in that lol. It was a Peter who couldnt beat his worst impulses and throw off the alien. You could also argue Carnage is even harder to reason with than Venom.
A couple of musings from this violation of my favorite Marvel character: 1. America Chavez is detestable, impossible to take seriously, and is clearly a self-insert for Victoria Alonso. 2. To the parents out there, didn't Wanda's phantom children seem obnoxiously sweet and innocent? One of them needed to rock back and forth on an antique chair until it broke. 3. We get to meet Reed Richards and Black Bolt, then never get to see them in action, while instead being treated to pallete-swaps of characters we've already seen plenty of. 4. Professor X, the God of telepathy, gets out-mindfucked by a villainess using plot powers. 5. Christine seemed to be more responsible for driving the plot than Strange was. Her "yas qween" moment with the magic flamethrower she somehow knew how to operate made me nearly cringe to death. 6. Zombie Strange was admittedly pretty cool. But the dramatic reveal of the "souls of the damned" kinda came out of left field. 7. America actually FAILING at the end while practicing magic was literally her one saving grace. 8. The multiverse travel scene had some cool imagery, but I'm sure on second look, a lot of it is just key-jangling with landscapes instead of characters. 9. Even my optimistic wife walked out feeling let down. She actually felt bad for bringing me because she knew Strange was my favorite and was surprised how much he was shit on. Even having watched FNT and Mauler, I didn't know just how awful it was going to be. All I could think at the end was "Look how they massacred my boy."
@@lofaber5664 Not only, are you a jerk. But you’re blatantly assuming, stuff about this guys life. Was this because you disagree with this comment? Or something petty ? 🤨
Funny enough, it all started going down when Mephisto, who's supossed to be a villain, wasn't present in WandaVision. And about all those spells, I think it all could have ended without a single fight if only one of her former teammates, the avengers, was there to talk to her and make her see the bullshit she was about to do.
Not really. Didn’t see Wanda Vision and had no problem following the plot and enjoying the movie. At this point everything in the MCU is a sequel to something that not everyone has seen.
@@Naomi-xu4hq yeah 99% of people went to see this because of Dr Strange and all the cameos not feminist bullshit If I hear "wAnDa is tHe moSt pOawerfUlll!!" one more time😐
Its even funnier cause nobody cared about wanda when there were o6, but after the wandavision (the first series) twt (lol) went crazy after their "queen" and now they are pushing wanda down everyone's throat
@@4doorsmoreguns193 stg I saw that pin on her jacket and the fact she had two moms just because. Not adding anything to the story. Stopped the movie right then and there
"The Message" is more important that good writing and good content. I'm truly sad that a once great franchise has been so broken. I pray some smaller studios start their own series and crush these corporate goofs.
That's why we gotta support the Rippaverse when Eric July releases it, cause we know its gonna be a passion project made by a die hard comic fan that isn't worried about including "THE MESSAGE"
Hopefully the more rational comments like yours and mine have effect on the course. Saddened that they throw tradition out the window, Doctor who is always kind of progressive however they didn't try to piss in your Cheerios and pretend it was milk.
I think Marvel needs to take a break, do a lot of planning, then return to writing the new movies. We're getting the usual problem with sequels that they had previously managed to minimize.
Much like any big franchise, they are chugging along doing what they can with the actors available. It's a business--they need to keep making money, any pause in the periodic releases means lost revenue for that timeframe. Are they creatively bankrupt, though? No...I wouldn't think so. The Thor movie and She-Hulk previews dont fill me with any desired to see them. But this movie I think largely suceeded because of what the opposite this reviewer said--they kept the focus ON Strange, so the woke tidbits couldn't fester and linger to take over on their own.
@@PreferredCustomer I think they could potentially make more if they paused and strategized once more but I'm sure the executives don't see it that way and have their own timelines. It's just unfortunate. There's no feel of the overall build up that kept me watching all the movies prior to endgame. It just feels like they are kinda going somewhere but not with the same intensity. Or maybe that just wore off. I dunno.
If they fire all the feminists and soy boys the movies would improve SIGNIFICANTLY. Like politics is everywhere I dont need a supposedly fun movie pushing communism (food should be a human right scene), two moms, all of the male characters being weak/incompetent, the forced diversity, etc. Its so obvious and cringe.
I feel bad for Benedict. Just look at him in The Power of the Dog, Patrick Melrose, Atonement etc. This man can play any character, portray any emotion with ease. He was so good in the first movie, and he would have been so good in this too. However, I must say that he does what he can with what is given to him. I can’t remember the name of it now, but in some podcast, he admitted to not even being sure if Strange had a character arc in this movie
it supposedly be him letting other people take the lead, that he not supposed to do everything himself which is so stupid he literally trust Tony to save the universe cause he knew he be snap also hated how everyone was giving him shit for the letting Thanos "win" that he had to do things his way but he look at millions of outcomes and this was the only way ! like I know people on the internet had pointed out other ways to win but come on you gotta follow your own lore and logic. it was so stupid that everyone was trying to make him the bad guy and how the illiumatie with CAPTAIN AMERICA were judging him for the actions of a different person like that's kinda racist or is it personist. I mean I still liked the movie it's the second best mcu work behind Spider-Man nwh since endgame but doctor strange was very mishandled in his own movie for scarlet bi*** and America chavas
Unpopular opinion his portrayal of khan in into darkness was the best thing of that movie, people can hate the movie all they want but remove those nostalgia glasses and think about in lore khan, and Benedict popping that dudes head like a cherry was both accurate and scary, never saw o.g. khan ever kill a dude just saying
The sad thing is that the behind the scenes footage showed he REALLY did his best, but there really isn't much a great actor can do with an atrocious script.
I feel Wanda should've had her own movie dealing with this and her turn to the dark side. I thought this movie was gonna be about Strange dealing with the fallout from opening the multiverse in No Way Home. Fighting alongside and against evil versions of himself and other multiverse threats. America Chavez was terrible and unnecessary as Wanda and Strange proved they can traverse the multiverse either way
I thought the exact same thing ! I was utterly disappointed that it had absolutely no connection with "SPIDER-MAN: NWH" ! I really did NOT like the "bait & switch" nor did I enjoy how they wasted all of the cool cameos ! I also really didn't care for this "America Chavez" character of whom I never really heard of before this movie ! I was expecting a whole lot more from a movie called, "DR. STRANGE In The Multiverse Of Madness" ! WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS GARBAGE 🙄😤😡🤬⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
And that's what Disney wanted you to think through the trailer. All in order to trick you and go see their terrible movie. After what they did with Black Widow, I plan to watch reviews first before ever seeing another comic book movie. Whether it be MCU, DCU, SW, etc. So far, only The Batman looks promising.
I do dislike the whole ‘forgiveness’ bullshit when it comes to Wanda as a character. Grief is not an excuse to be a complete asshole. We all deal with trauma. Did anyone excuse Patrick Bateman because his dad died and his mom ended up in the loony bin? No, the guy was psychotic. But it seems like they want us to have some sort of empathy for Wanda being a full on serial killer at this point.
You do see the last few years of the world right... Most of the bad guys get away with it or fail upwards Not being a jerk that's just the point of it They want bad people
These woke Current Year elitists can't even have enough respect for Wanda to generate empathy...they expect us to serve her tea and sympathy because 'her fee-fee's'. Kevin and his 'creatives' sure wouldn't understand high concepts like redemption...or we can't just be given (or in Wanda's case, take) anything, we must earn something of great value. Self entitled posers who know nothing about how reality works aren't liable to tell good stories or create enduring characters.
@@deadnorth8648 The perfect example of failing upwards: the idiots responsible for Batwoman. They didn't just plague our culture for three damned years, they've moved on to greener pastures to screw something ELSE up!
@Fax Machine my comment was based on the writers interviews from Wandavision on. Originally, they didn't even want to include a villain because, and I quote 'Grief is a big enough villain'. Which is such a Gen Z comment it's disgusting. My feelings trump everything else in life. Pander to me. The comics did Wanda's slip into madness so much better, because she wasn't doing crap for selfish reasons. Even the excuses I hear are grade A retarded crap. "She's just trying to get back to her children.' Her kids were pure figments of her imagination. End of story. So, she basically went on a murdering spree to save a fucking unicorn. Even to the point that she would basically murder another child in Chavez. I mean, at least with Thanos we could understand where the guy was coming from because he literally witnessed his civilization tear itself apart. He was still horrible, but you could see the road that led him to that point. Wanda is straight up pulling the 'Anakin kills younglings' trademark move. It was crappy writing then, it's crappy writing now.
Hell yeah! Finally someone who calls out the Mcu for making it 616, I literally muttered in theaters "oh come on.." when they said the Mcu is 616, it really angered me, especially since if it were 616 then we would have had the Fantastic Four already and a whole different story.
Okay, my major complaint above all others is the following: How does Captain Carter last longer than Xavier when he is in the mindscape? Black Bolt I only understand because they made Reed stupidly announce his power. But that just raises the question of why Reed told any Scarlet Witch that didn’t know what BB could do about his abilities? There are just too many questions that don’t add up.
Time after time prof x is well known powerful telepath but he can get his shit rocked both comics and movies. Reed either knew or didn’t know who was Wanda was. The reason I say this is that Wanda from his earth had pretty normal life with kids. She still had powers so she was hero at some point with weaker powers compared to her 616 counter part or just had normal life. So he assumed she was no real big threat and the could taker her down like any other strange they faced. Reed also is the smartest man but he obviously tried to sympathize with her about family and intimidate her with bb powers. But didn’t realize her powers could alter reality.
@@jb-gt8oi Okay, but he called her the scarlet witch and even said he knew about the prophecy that her destiny was either to destroy or rule. Also, X gets his crap rocked all the time OUTSIDE of the mindscape. But it has been repeatedly said that in the mindscape(an actual plane of reality in the Marvel universe) that he is basically the second most powerful being right behind The Phoenix force boosted Jean. Even Frost isn’t able to match him there. That said, even if you want to make the case that he was gonna get beat bad because of the Scarlet Witch abilities, he should have lasted longer than Captain Carter. Why does the woman with peak physical fitness and nothing else last longer than an omega level telepath in the mindscape?
@@blackchibisan8116 i think it could cause Wanda relies on her powers a bit to much and she isn’t really used to hand and hand fighting, and that she could have been a bit tired out due to the fight of captain marvel since they both are powered by a infinty stone
My favorite part was when they pretended like black bolt saying something would have actually caused a reaction to his body like you expect me to believe the skin over his mouth is stronger than his skull along with the fact that he trained his entire life to be able to control his vocal cords so he wouldn't kill his wife and family in his sleep
I agree this was the dumb part of the movie for me. Why she didnt just insta-kill Captain Britain and Blackstar like the other guys made no sense, beyond wanting a girlpower fight. She wasnt toying with them for last or anything. And those two just standing there watching others die was very stupid.
I may have missed it, but when I watched that scene, I thought that Scarlet Witch just imploded his brain…because it just makes no sense for him to cause his own death with his own powers…but maybe that’s me giving them the benefit of the doubt and I should shut my mouth.
I can't believe this is the first time this thought has entered my mind, but it dawned on me that these writers were actually paid to create these shows. This is why hiring people based on anything other than ability to complete a certain task is a very dumb idea. I'm not sure the English vocabulary contains the words to accurately describe just how terrible Marvel's content has become.
It's not terrible, it's entertaining to a GIANT number of people. This movie almost grossed 1 Billion dollars. "Terrible" movies gross under 95 million. I actually liked and was entertained by this movie. Wanda fans liked it, except for the fact that she almost certainly died at the end. The people wanting to see the heroes that showed up in cameos as the Illuminati were happy as well, except they died too quickly. The fact that Dr. Strange can't defeat Wanda in a straight up fight and yet kept fighting to stop her makes his heroism that much greater. He was a much greater hero of this movie than he was in the first Dr. Strange. The Time Stone really is what defeated Dormannu. Here, neither he nor America defeated Wanda, Billy and Tommy, the sons of the alternate Wanda that she coveted defeated her. They rejected her, which defeated her quest, then in despair, she destroyed the Darkhold, and dropped it on herself which presumably killed her as well. The after credits lead apparently to Dr. Strange 3, with the Charlize Theron character as part of the adventure. Just like the after credits scene of WandaVision led to Dr. Strange 2.
@@jonathancummings6400 Well it earned so much money because was the continuation of a very good and popular movie, so people went thinking it would be as good but were mistaken. It was cool seing the cameos and a second later, one of the worst thing in the movie as it just spit in the face of 4 extremelly powerfull heros that couldnt take a wanda on a 5x1 (remembering it wanst the ovepower wanda of the original universe, but a weaker version of herself from that universe, so there is no excuses for that). Dr Strange was a greater hero with a better development in the first movie, he went from a arrogant doctor to being up to imprison himself for eternity on a death loop to protect the world from dormanmu, with the time stone being a tool for that (saing the jewel defeated dormanmu is like saying the infinity gauntlet defeated thanos instead of the avengers). And in the end wanda sons being the ones to "defeat" wanda is very weak and put all the journey of chaves and strange into the shitter, because if they havent interfered, wanda would still scary her sons and chilled out after that. The only one with a real development was chavez, which is very dumb as the movie should be about dr strange.
I know somebody's going to hate me for bringing this up, but how the hell did two moms bring America Chavez into the world? It could NOT have been like Wanda wishing her kids into existence in WandaVision. Based on pure logic and medical science, either of those ladies' gardens needed a seed...otherwise nothing would have grown, if you know what I mean. (To be much more blunt, a donation of icky guy sperm is kind of required.) But then, I probably just made a lot of idiots lose their minds saying that!
@@ecgamer3156 Stupid fact: Gabby Rivers' stories in the comics that retconned America Chavez into her brain damaged 'correct' version established that BOTH of her moms were her biological parents...because the dimension they're from is that magical. (Yup, it's THAT stupid, and it was never explained anymore than that. Is it any wonder America was hated by so many comics fans? I'll never understand how Gabby got to work for Marvel...unless she had some HUGE dirt on somebody...) The movie could have been a little different. I like your adoption idea and it makes sense, but why couldn't there have been a mention of that...or of America having a dad at all? Oh, yeah. 'Toxic men bad, a little girl don't need no dad, smash patriarchy, blah-blah-blah!'
Something that kills me about all of this is that Scarlet witch gets her powers from the Mind stone that was in the scepter, and Captain Marvel gets her unstoppable powers from the Space stone that was in the Tesseract. Yet they try to make it like these two were just destined for badassery all along and the Infinity Stones are just.. paper weights?
Wanda powers where enhanced from mind stone/ fully awaking her powers. That’s why she barley had any magic when she was growing up until hydra found her. Captain marvel…..um idk what you’re talking care to explains to me on why she was destined to be badass.
Not even worth a trip to the high seas for this one. From seeing Marvel on day one at the cinema, to not even bothering at all... Well done, MCU: you had a licence to print money and you blew it.
Grief is a villain? This might be the most womanly thing I’ve ever heard in my life. How do you intend to defeat the emotion of grief? Maybe with a tub of ice cream? This chick would be better off writing feminist fiction, at least there nobody would call her out on being lazy.
It's not a bad concept but the genre of comics and action movies requires that grief, and other concepts, should be embodied by a physical representation. A monster or a character to be fought.
@@FortuitusVideo representation and symbolic metaphors are so literal and lazy in Disney products. Couldn't imagine them making something that can be interpreted by the viewer for meaning like Taxi Driver. You know, like most great works of art.
This is why I really don’t like the multiverse, it gives an excuse to have multiple versions of the same characters and it all turns into a massive cluster F!
All the MCU movies now feel like they were thought up and written in a 3 day brainstorming session with everyone taking turns being like “oh yeah and what if this happened? Oh and wouldn’t it be cool if…”
What's this trend in Hollywood now where they're deliberately alleviating their female characters of any accountability? Wanda's not evil, just misunderstood. Maleficent's not evil, just misunderstood. Cruella's not evil. Her mom was killed by Dalmatians. Ahhhhh! It's ludicrous.
@@redninja3056 It's not my biggest issue with this film but it would've been nice if they portrayed her as a bit more stressed out and trauma-ridden. She seemed too relaxed considering all that had happened to her.
@@redninja3056 Actually, it's looking at something critically and deciding if its plusses or minuses are more or less and determining that way if it is something that is PERSONALLY liked. It's what you do when you don't believe everything ever made was masterpieces or that everything should always be praised to high heaven and back, regardless of how many flaws it has. For example, many people wanted to see the new Firestarter. Many people were disappointed with the movie, despite being positive about it before watching it.
I liked the part Wanda Omni-Maned the Illuminati. My problem was the inconsistent powers of her. If she can make confetti out of Mr. Fantastic with her mind, and change the reality of the body of someone, why can't she do that to everyone else?
With her powers how can they make fight scenes interesting she can just change everybody into anything and move on... They have atleast tried to make it little interesting
I believe in the comic she rewrote reality or some shit like wen she said mutants no more idk if that's the power representation they were to show us saying she's OP which we knew or jus throw characters in their that couldn't even really fight back
I presumed that was because in comparison, Mr Fantastic doesn’t have any sort of... well, defence against it. Try it on someone like Captain Marvel, a much higher tier character in raw combat, and it won’t go so well. How she got Black Adam is beyond me, but quick thinking and just the right manipulation basically got him to kill himself.
agreed takes you out of the film cause you have to wonder why she didnt' instant kill captain carter and marvel. Also mr fantastic true power is his mind but they made him a dumb ass in this film ;_; lastly it seems like they are wasting the multiverse aspect for creativity and fun and using it for diversity and bs only. So a way to make people not really die, and to race swap and do woke stuff. Instead of really cool stuff like showing galactus vs thanos or something insane like showing odin vs thanos, etc insane battles of super villians and hero's y in diff. multiverses or perhaps some hero as a bad guy,etc.
The whole time I was thinking: WHERE’S VISION, WHY HASN’T SHE MENTIONED VISION, WHY WASN’T VISION IN THIS FILM & SHE WANTS HER FAKE CHILDREN, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!
@@SM1THYz1 ofc feminist writers fantasize about single mothers never needing their man/husband only caring about their children when theyre not crying babies. Cherry pick the "good things" from life for your own selfish interests. The feminist fantasy.
I don't blame sam raimi for this. Same as spiderman 3 it was the studio and writers screwing things up. Sam did a great job with the directing part of things, having nice set pieces etc. The problem is the writing and forced nonsense like america chavez.
I could see the obvious arc for scarlet witch and it would be dark and very Sam Rammi. and then disney G rated her 10 year character arc. this wasn't the worst marvel film but it's the one that ended my last thread of hope the writers/directors ever had a plan. or if they did disney exec's just dont care about story and character and are just selling...COOONNTTEENNTTT...
This guy knows what he’s talking about I didn’t have any msheu moments in the movie there might have been America Chavez punching Wanda but America didn’t do much she needed to do something I think this movie was ok I’d definitely give it a rewatch. I had mixed feelings about the ending though how strange was just like what are we waiting for let’s go!!
The director saying she can't follow the blocking in a comic book does make me wonder what grade in elementary school she managed to complete before becoming a "director", since that blocking is pretty much the exact same format as storyboarding which is part of her supposed job description.
So, Wanda is more powerful than she was in WandaVision right? If so, why not just "re-create" her kids...? She already knew that they weren't real, right? Or since she could possess herself, why not just stay in that body? She was planning on stealing kids from herself? Idk her motives are mind-boggling stupid
Or, why not go to a universe where Vision is raising the kids but Wanda died? The lack of Vision in this movie is truly astounding. It feels like an executive sent down a note saying Vision couldn't take part in saving Wanda because she doesn't need no man
The scene where she goes to happy Wanda's house should have gone on for longer with the kids throwing things at her, her breaking down after being rejected by not her kids then happy Wanda threatening her before zombie strange and Mexico Chavez showing up and beating her extra thicc ASS. Then she could try to say she's an avenger and strange could be like "not anymore. avengers don't steal other people's lives" then she flares up and does the runes thing again then America gains control of her powers and teleports them to another dimension which wanda follows and strange is now free of the runes and able to turn her magic back at her or cast his own rune room, or send her back to her own body or something. and once she's beaten they put her in a medically induced coma for the rest of forever. or until they introduce the x men and magneto sets her free to be his minion or something
Thank you for explaining what I was feeling! This ISN'T a Doctor Strange sequel, but a sequel to Wandavision with Strange in it... Smh. They neutered him.
The amount of emotional validation they're heaping on the villains like Wanda and that chick from Falcon and Winter Soldier is really, really pathetic. FFS, Marvel, they are NOT GOOD PEOPLE. The fact that DC and Marvel are trying so hard to make these objectively horrible people into sympathetic characters is really disturbing. Instead of showing them having a change of heart and REPENTING for their crimes, we get "they'll never know what you sacrificed," and "I know you made it right." Endless emotional validation. PATHETIC.
Feminist writers man. Go get your fix elsewhere. I doubt the disney consumers have even seen 25% of the genuine, great Hollywood movies throughout history.
The writing is horrible, & its made worse with the fact that there's no good reason why they're evil. Wanda misses her robot boyfriend/fake kids & Sharon sells illegal arms/drugs because...she can? 😂
@@LunaticFringeReviews Sharon got screwed so hard starting in Infinity War, where the writers forgot she existed entirely, to Endgame where her boyfriend forgets she exists to break time travel rules and his entire character to go back and be with her aunt, to... whatever that was in Falcon.
Knowing Dr. Strange as a person who thinks outside the box, he would've already create his own spells. Such as creating a portal without the use of a sling ring. Remember, he was the first and only person was able to use the time stone in various ways. Yet, he couldn't create new spells presently? Lol.
@@herbderb4929 Lol. Ah, yes. You NEVER read any Dr. Strange comics and NEVER observed watching the first film. Typical FAKE FAN. Lol. How far? How about being the Sorcerer Supreme. Lol.
The worst thing about Professor X's death in this movie is that it totally undermines Logan (IMO the best movie to ever carry the Marvel logo). He was given such a heartbreaking, yet perfect sendoff in that movie, that if you bring Sir Patrick Stewart back to reprise the role, you better have a damn good reason. And you don't need me to tell you that this movie did not.
You got one detail wrong: Kamar-Taj is in Nepal in the MCU, not Tibet. The reason being that Disney will sell their own fans out to get awards for ‘diversity and inclusion’ but will refuse to recognize certain countries as certain countries because China.
I guess you would be annoyed too if Russia or China would make their biggest movies with country of Texas, freed from oppression of liberal-fascist America.
All this killing to steal someone else's kids, a latina character with a clearly American accent and no character development and worst of all a complete and total waste of the return of Patrick Stewart of Professor X. Spiderman's writers had the right idea. JUST GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. Why was it so hard here when the writers clearly had access to almost any character from Marvel?
In first movie mordo tells strange that the rings can be used to travel through the multiverse so that means the whole point of Amerika Chavez is ridiculous.
It wouldn't have been so bad if Wanda just asked Strange and Co. for help dimension hopping and they, knowing what she's after and on the heels of the Spider-Man fiasco, tell her no. So she finds Chavez, who's an amateur and naive enough to be convinced to help sad lady, and calamity ensues. Chavez joins forces with Strange at the last minute to help clean up the mess she and Wanda made. Chavez learns a valuable lesson, Wanda doubles down and continues on the path to full on villainy (this needed more development).
@@jonnyg9865 Yes, you could have had more or less the same kind of movie, but just with all the things we already know is possible in this universe - that would have made more sense, and you wouldn't have had all these unnecessary additions that contradict what the rest of the universe had already established.
I forget where this quote is from, probably an Asimov story: "You can't brush money's hair." It was in reference to a woman leaving her well paying job on an asteroid to go back to Earth and have kids.
It should have been called Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Virtue Signaling. America was a crap character played by a lousy actress who is praised by so-called movie critics because she had two “moms”. That was it. That was her entire personality - she’s one of the Lettersalad people, and Disney must signal its Wokeness at all times. Wanda was fairly cool as a complete and utter murdering psychopath, but it’s impossible to sympathize with a woman who was in love with what really was a super-advanced sex doll. Vision was never human, no matter how human he seemed, and their children were created whole-cloth from her insanity. So how is someone supposed to feel bad for a woman whose mental disabilities should have sentenced her to a lifetime in the Funny Farm? The first Doctor Strange was way better imho. If you must see this movie then just wait until it’s at Redbox and will only cost you a few bucks.
Pretty sure you weren't supposed to feel sympathy for Wanda at any cost in this movie, the movie literally portrays her as a psychopath through and through. As for America Chavez, she did have a personality and the actress played her just fine man.
What I don’t like about Wanda’s character is that her powers seem just too vaguely defined. It’s magic so everything is possible. One time she seems to be able to do anything and the next she won’t do something obvious just because of the plot. Until Wanda’s powers get better defined and follow some simple rules and limitations, anything that has her as a character will either make no sense or be boring. That’s why I think Wanda is more appropriate as a hero for kids’ movies.
Defined? Wanda is an Omega Level Mutant. Wanda literally almost doesn't have limitations. She's literally wiped mutant's out with her word's just by saying NO MORE MUTANT'S. In the comic's. Just shhh she's way more powerful than Doctor Strange it's not even close.
Dude have you even read the comics? The inconsistency in her powers in the comics is on a totally different level. One issue she’ll basically just be throwing red energy bolts and getting KOd by random villains - next she’ll be changing all of reality.
@@derekfreeman6517 I think that’s exactly the problem: that, as you said, she almost doesn’t have limitations. So, that will make it difficult to write a plot where you don’t ask yourself: why didn’t she just do this or that? I mean, once you’ve seen her doing almost anything, it becomes hard not to think about a million ways that she could handle things and win. So it’s better not to think about it too much and just enjoy the ride, as someone else said. That’s why I think the stuff based on her is better suited for kids who won’t think about things too deeply.
@@garrym5682 I agree with you on the inconsistency. In my opinion that reduces the ability for adults to enjoy a film, because if you think about what you just saw for a fraction of a second, it probably won’t make sense. For example, being able to remove someone’s mouth with your mind means you’re able to alter people’s bodies. After I saw that happening, it just became impossible not to think why she didn’t just remove Dr. Strange’s hands or a million other things she could’ve done. As I said in another reply, this is why I think this is more appropriate for kids. As you can probably tell, I haven’t read any comics.
What bothered me the most about the movie is that there was no character development for the main hero Strange. We didn’t learn anything new that’s significant about him that we could maybe see him embody in the next movie he’s set to appear. It felt more like a scarlet witch movie
the reaction black captain marvel gave when the two illuminati men got killed is absolutely bizarre. is she smirking? is she saying "ha those white males are dead, lets show wanda how strong we are"? i just dont get it. then they hadalong drawn out fight scene even though they arent as powerful as either reed richards or blackbolt
And yet it made a good amount of money because of the normies, so to Disney it was a great success. It's sad that the general public are pretty much a bunch of drooling mouth breathers.
I came out liking it but as it set in I started to realize how dumb the movie was. The only thing maddening was the movie itself. I was so hyped thinking it was going to be so crazy you had to watch it 3 time to understand what’s going on. No it was a simple plot and didn’t really involve the multiverse. This movie sucks
Thank you for this review. I got high blood pressure when I read the comments from other reviews and videos. For me it was so horrible. Music at the background has nothing to do with the scenes. So confusing I couldn't understand the movie. Prof. Xavier had to face her to control her which he can do it in any other place. It was just horrible they ruined Dr. Strange.
"Not going to blame Sam Raimi." As well, you should not! The moment Disney learned Spider-Man No Way Home was a success they ordered reshoots for not just Multiverse of Madness but Captain Marvel 2 or is it Marvels, whatever, but also Ms. Marvel. What those reshoots were or if they were even necessary? I can only imagine Sam was screaming those two horrible words, "not again!" You are also right in that this wasn't a proper sequel to Doctor Strange. I waited for years after Mordo performed that magic stealing move on Jon Pangborn for him to declare his war on sorcerers with Strange ready to resist. Instead, it's only mentioned. MENTIONED. So there is a story of Dr. Strange vs Mordo, but apparently, they decided not to make it into a movie. I'm a Marvel noob. I prefer DC Comics only lately with both entities the comics being as weak as their movies. But ever since I was a kid I loved picking up DC Comics and yet turned on the TV to watch a Marvel show or movie. I saw Marvel Rising only for Gwen Stacy because I loved her in Into the Spider-Verse. And when I saw America Chavez I felt she was boring as hell, a cheap pandering to my skin color. This movie was no different, she was a glorified series of tropes - the MacGuffin, the damsel in distress, to the last minute and nauseating Mary Sue. From the moment Strange was brought in to attend Christine's wedding I could understand it. Make no mistake I find it wonderful for a man's heart to be trampled with muddy, steel-toed sharp heeled cleats as much as anyone... Sarcasm is clearly intended. And of course, the nasty question, "Are you happy?" The answer to that question is of course a defeating NO. But why lie about it? It would have been disrespectful, it would have cheapened Christine's happy day. He is not happy BUT he is content. He is a superhero and what makes him not just that but a real man is that he does not whine and cry about it. He lives with the pain, and he deals with it, unlike another so-called heroine in this movie. I am, of course, referring to Wanda. As to the idea of why no Pietro or Vision. My guess is Wanda knows that if she wanted to live in a universe with her children she couldn't afford to have anyone convince her otherwise in that universe. Vision would not want to live with a corrupt version of his wife, his stone would have alerted him to that. Or her brother Pietro who would have known his sister since he was a child. As well as a version of her children without powers, one of whom in her universe had mind-reading powers. I found the Illuminati thing as mixed bad. Lashana Lynch looked pretty cool as Captain Marvel, with Maria Rambeau instead becoming the character. My guess is both Carol and Maria were chosen to fly the mission with Mar-Vell and they both became Captain Marvel. Although apparently in this universe Carol was killed and immortalized into a statue that kills her friend some time afterward. Inhumans wasn't that great a show but it was nice seeing the return of Anson Mount, I just wish Serinda Swan returned as Medusa. Patrick Stewart was great as Xavier. John Krasinski looked great as Reed Richards. Clearly, it was great seeing Hayley Atwell as Captain Carter. But I'm surprised you didn't mention what was pretty obvious. They superimposed her face on a female body that wasn't hers. She would have had to have been given a real supersoldier serum to have looked all tall and jacked and I checked, it was a stunt double who did Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and Tilda Swinton's Ancient One, both taller than her. At least it was more respectable than her manly appearance in What If and of course, they didn't use a man's body as they did with TaskMistress. Nevertheless, they nerfed all these great heroes in a matter of minutes. I get that Scarlett Witch is one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, but so were many of these characters. It really was embarrassing. I'm not as critical as you but I am still critical. This movie was embarrassingly woke at times but in my mind, it could have been even worse. Sadly, that is the only good thing to see it.
Thank you! Probably the best review--better than that neckbeard screaming in the video, anyway. It was just kind of a filler movie...but it did have some fun, when it focused on the character study of Strange. And that was the best part. Seeing him become less formal and making peace with where he was in life, instead of trying to do all and be all. Being himself. And he was a likeable older brother figure to the forgettable Stargirl sidekick. I'm looking forward to the next movie, if that make sense. This one seemed to just clean off a lot of baggage and make it fresh.
Man the moment they touch the Multiverses it just messes everything the rules doesnt apply to the other movies it just varies from script to script just like the Characters motivation and the magic in Mcu is just so inconsistent, we have seen better books and shows even movies that follows their own rules of magic...this feels so messy.
Scarlet Witch was sympathetic.. when she "rain of fire" Thanos. Then, they decided to destroy her the same way they did to EVERY character that was established in the MCU. Even if they wanted to turn her evil, the way they did it destroyed the character. It is a GOT Daenerys in a small scale. Wanda was never a wacko. Back in Ultron she realized Ultron plans were bad and sign up to the Avengers. Later she was crushed by the accident in Nigeria in Civil War. She seemed to be a caring character. Then, she fought Thanos and afterwards her mind broke so much she suddenly went wacko and enslaved a whole city and did this destruction in this movie? Get out! Clea is the wife of Strange in the comics and was a sorcerer supreme. You can bet your behind Disney will make her the Sorcerer Supreme in the next movie. Strange was a guest in his own movie.
Realistically strange was built that much in the previous movies that showcased him. he was mostly exposition. which was why at the start of the movie he was at the wedding of that girl he never dated. look in truth he didn't have a strong foundation to lead the movie completely alone. Wanda isn't like other one-note villains, she needed more care than that. it made sense to put these two together. What this movie did do was setup strange for more story arcs to further flesh out his character.
@@FireJach They didn't really emphasize that point. The movie should have been about freeing her from it's clutches. That would have been far more satisfying that the confused trash we got especially that ending. Guess we can't have men rescuing women anymore.🤷🏻
Sorry, but how does she get chased through the multiverse by a monster, that does want this specific power? Wouln't it need the ability to travel through the multiverse (aka the one it wants from her) in order to chase her? Wonder if the writers ever stopped to even think for just a second about their own establsihed rules...
The monster didn’t want the power, Wanda did. The power of the dark hold allowed her to project monsters into whatever reality america was in at the time. This monster was different than the one Chasing them at the very beginning of the movie. I feel like you just didn’t pay attention…
I’ve said it before, but the plot to this movie could have been 5 mins: once he realized AC’s powers could destroy the multiverse, he kills her, ridding the threat of her powers as they go with her, and one life is given to save the masses. The end.
I assume you haven't watched the movie, then. In the opening scene, Dr. Strange tries to kill AC to save the multiverse, and he's portrayed as "evil" for even considering it. The MCU has leaned hard into the nonsensical idea that an individual is just as valuable / important as millions / billions / trillions of lives, and anyone who would even consider killing one person to save millions is a villain. Yes, murdering someone is wrong, but when the options are commit a terrible act and murder a single person, or allow someone else to kill that person so they can also kill millions of other people, there's only one choice...even if making that choice damns you as an individual.
It would have been a good idea if the kids were real from a different universe and did have some strong connection with Wanda. That way Wanda would have a real reason to traverse the multiverse looking for them. plus have a vision that looking for her as well trying to stop her as his version of her died doing something similar.
Eh, I don’t agree personally. I think Wanda was... Aight. Besides being insufferable at best, it got the point to me that she was way off the deep end. My main issue was following along. Oh my goodness it just bounced far too much for me. One area, to the other in a moment, the next and the next. Barely establishing much while talking a whole ton. My main grievance is why they killed the Illuminati Strange. He did nothing wrong besides an accident, and even accepted responsibility for it. Yet the Illuminati consisting of two decent people (Mr Fantastic and Charles) just thought it was fair to bump em off? And the wasted evil strange. Damn that was hurtful.
"do we need a villain?" - Apparently not in a marvel movie where the female character is supposed to be evil, nope, when that happens it's sympathy time. Captain Marvel's "villain" was essentially just the device that controlled her powers, which she overcame herself. (You could say it was supposed to be Kree, but that's honestly debatable, they're ambiguous at best) Black widow had a male villain, but it was a woman who created the serum to brainwash the widows but she helped Natasha so everything's fine and she gets to walk free. Wandavision - Wanda is overtly a bad person for her actions but "they'll never know what you sacrificed" and she "did the right thing" in the end. And Multiverse if Madness where after Wanda murders hundreds to thousands it's said AGAIN that she "did the right thing" for destroying the darkhold. Anytime a female is the supposed antagonist they always have to try to sympathetically justify their actions because in wave 4 marvel men are not allowed to talk down, or rationalize women or physically over power them, the women can only be confronted by other women, or they have to solve what ever problem on their own. (This is on full display for multiverse if madness where only the women are able to throw down on even terms, the message of her kids is attempted by the men but only sinks in when it's herself)
How much proof do normies need to realize that good storytelling and women don't get along?Yes,some women writers are good,but these are the exceptions,not the rule.Most women just want to insert themselves in a setting so they can feel good about themselves.Want perfect examples?Sana Amanat/Kamala Khan and Mariko Tamaki/Nightstar.
@@hebanker3372 That's a pretty extreme stance to take don't you think? If these women writers are on one end of the spectrum, then you're completely on the opposite end by using such blanket statements. Male writers self-insert ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME - gender doesn't matter, it's being good or bad at writing that matters. As it turns out, men AND women can be equally terrible at their jobs, who would've guessed?
@@matthewcarroll2533 If you wanna relate the all-inclusive and noble message "gender doesn't matter", why don't you go and lecture the narcissistic female supremacist self-insert writers? Don't tell us gender doesn't matter, *TELL THEM.* I'm sure they'll embrace your message. Come back and let us know how your lecture was received. 🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of a certain other Wolverine movie where the title character is little more than a rag doll pushed around and used by the real strong characters and exploited as nothing more than a platform for them to jump off of.
The best scene of this movie is, by far, when we see America's two mothers. That scene was so on the nose, so in your face.... i don't even remember, there was a rainbow behind them, wasn't it... that I completely burst out laughing, in the theater.
People can't have two mothers? As long as someone's parents are loving, healthy, and can meet their children's needs, their gender shouldn't matter. Y'all really do the most.
@@tsuumee4545 no, it's because it literally add nothing to the flim. We get it, gay people exist, they can be happy and healthy. Everyone know this, no need to rub it in our face. It's really unnecessary for that scene because you can put America in a flower field poking a bee ness and get chase buy murderous swamp of angry bee would achieve the same thing. Heck even better cause it's establish her power work on life or death instead of stupid scary tiny bee.
@@tranngockha6562 I also agree that the bee scene was dumb as hell. I was just confused as to why people had to point out the two mothers, of all things.
I am continually amazed (though I ought to be used to it by now) by Marvel's capacity to diminish and demonize its characters, its best artists, its original writers, its (now former) audience, its critics (Who used to be fans. See how that works?), and itself.
It's all for the "greater good". They burn it in sacrifice to their god "Wokeness". Nothing else matters, including Disney's plummeting stock prices. Hope it was worth it assholes?!
I really think it is sad that they went ahead and ruined more characters that were actually interesting. Strange is now a gullible dumb guy and Wanda... I think crazy psychopath might be a good description, but she is still a hero or something. Odd how that works. But in the end, I didn`t expect anything. And I don`t expect any other movies that come out to be worth my time.
Wanda us definitely *not* a hero. Strange went to her at the beginning, thinking she had gotten over her mental issues and remembering the good times they had fought together on the right side. He showed compassion as a human being....and had no idea she had already found the Book of Vile Darkness. Even then, Wanda made it pretty clear she was not trying to go instant evil mode right away unless she didn't get what she wanted. It was more an eroding of her humanity and soul, justifying horrible actions in the name of the happy image she wanted in her head
Doctor strange 2 should have been with mordo as a villain searching the multiverse for abusers of magic and killing them, meanwhile causing damage to other universes And in the process Wanda gets in the middle and tempted by him with the promise of seeing her kids again. And from there you can do anything with the story. The darkhold shouldn't have been such a big thing, they had to save it for the Scarlett witch solo film or something. That would have been an amazing doctor strange sequel. And as much as i loved seeing wanda having technicaly her own solo film they did so kuch disservice to her. Instead of readiming her from her faults in wandavision they destroyed her character completely.
I dont understand it. I really don’t. Why would you go through with a HUGE fan requested casting choice, Jon Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic, only to destroy him instantly. That is something people wanted for years. It finally happened and its not in the upcoming fantastic four movie, its instead a 4min cameo that ends with him being pulled apart, screaming in agony and dies. Yeah THATS what those fans wanted
Exposition in a comic book movie always says 2 things: 1. We went waaaaaaaaay off script so we are telling the actual fans all the stuff we changed. 2. We understand that the new fans we want to draw in are kind of stupid so we will frequently pause to explain everything for you delightful little dummies. Its like they have hatred and contempt for both the old and new fans.
Woke and feminists hate everything and everyone. Woke and feminists are in charge of Disney and the writing. If the movies feel like they hate the fans/just don't care it's because the writers feel that way.
The Illuminati section of this film highlights the problem I have with alternative version stories in general. Both in the comics and in the recent What If show; the alternative versions are all invariably stupid in their decision making and weakened when compared to the original, to the point they could never have been superheroes in the first place.
im kinda upset they used something as shit as a mcguffin to make scarlet witch evil and relegated doctor strange to parenting for a diversity main character, he also seemed more incompetent and weaker than he has been, i always saw him as the strongest avenger
See, that's exactly what I was thinking. When Raimi lets his movie staples shine in Doctor Strange, they're great. But when he's gotta put in the studio execs' mandated ideas and scenes, it looks painful.
@@thelakeman. because a woman was in it. Comic book movies need to be total sausage fests in order for these idiots to finally stop crying about “woke” bs lol
I'm asking to Wanda fans, why Wanda had to physically fight Carter? Couldn't she just transform her into spaghetti too? I really didn't get what Wanda's powers are and how they works
I agree with you, I love Scarlet Witch even though she's a villain now...there was absolutely no reason for Wanda taking less time in killing Carter...i think hand to hand combat is Wanda's weakness but she couldve easily altered reality at that point.
The MCU is showing that you either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. Nothing in Phase 4 has any continuity or cohesion. You can't have Endgame and then act like none of those characters know each other. Or they are in separate universes. And its clear that they are scrapping great comic book stories for newer ones that care less about traditional characters and good stories for ones that promote ThE mEsSaGe
Let's not undersell the fact that the "creatives" at Marvel wants us to get excited for Secret Wars(2015 version) down the road and honestly....this movie does not create confidence.
I seriously don't get why Marvel has a following after Endgame. Endgame, like cpt marvel, started forcing woke garbage and was when the writing became too fast paced/nonsensical in my opinion. It was tolerable in Endgame, but i knew it would go downhill from there. And i was right, literally every disney mcu product after Endgame is complete dogshit.
I think there's a really sinister motivation at Disney. It feels like they are happy to accept massive losses at the box office in order to march on bastardizing and killing off all the beloved Marvel characters until none are left. Feels like that's the end game. The ultimate middle fingers to the fans.
Because Marvel throws it in more as pandering than wanting to give it serious (not superficial) consideration. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. Give themselves credit for dipping their toe in the water, but not jump in all the way.
@@PreferredCustomer If that was dipping their toe into wokeness then I sure as shit dont want to see them fully commit. They dont even try to be subtle with it, it was literally every 10 mins and I physically cringed a dozen different times.
This movie proves that we need to scrap the MCU formula. You can tell in specific parts of the movie that they let Raimi do his own thing, and those were the best parts. Character arcs and overall storytelling is being pulled down by that PG-13 rating. If they made this movie R rated, I can already imagine it could’ve been 10x better
@@nerychristian Is that the one where Constantine's experience inside the House gets reset every time he dies, with his friends turning into demons and killing him in rather gory ways? Rather short movie, I seem to recall?
Not gonna lie, as dorky as emo-Peter was, that line "look at little Goblin Jr...you gonna cry?" was legit pretty good. It was the only badass thing he said followed by the only badass thing he did when he thwipped a bomb on Franco's pretty little face
Always loved that part of the movie. People forget--that was the result of the symbiote bringing out the darker side and desires of its host. It went to show how good of a person Peter mostly was, when his darker self just wanted to be sarcastic and "cool" (in his own mind). Getting to finally taunt others like they did to him.
So Wanda’s whole motivation for chasing Chavez was so she could have her power to go to other dimensions even though Wanda could dream walk to go to other dimensions? The entire plot of this movie makes no sense.
That has got to be the worst writing of all time. WTF happened to the MCU? wow, they just arnt even trying one little bit now. KarenVision and the Multiverse of Managers
It’s sad because this movie was one of two projects that I was looking forward to but it sounds like it suffers from the same issues that have been plaguing the comics and other MCU projects; bad writing & studio interference. Raimi bares some of the blame for not standing up for some creative autonomy. I wish he would’ve taken a page from Derrickson & walked. The lion’s share for this convoluted mess goes to Kevin Feige with the help of Victoria Alonso (aka KK 2.0 or Sana Anamat waiting to happen). Together they’re making the same bone headed mistakes that KK has made with SW; tearing down what went before it. Rather than building upon the foundation. They’re purposely building a crooked house.
They really did Doctor Strange dirty in What If season 2, he was literally the villain. Post Endgame was really the death of the MCU, as it's now the M-She-U.
I saw this movie Monday and completely forgot about it by Tuesday. The two things that stuck out to me besides the Mary Sue America Chavez was 1) The constant need to try to make the audience feel bad for Wanda as if she didn’t enslave an entire town months ago. I have no sympathy for the clear VILLAIN stop trying to force me to have some with this fake depth narrative and 2) The way Wanda killed the Illuminati was practically infuriating. She was able to blink away Black Bolt’s mouth but allowed Captain Carter to full on charge her with her shield and make contact lmao more identify/gender politics
Just saw the movie and wasn't impressed at all. No part got me wowed. I loved Dr. Strange 1 but this was a mess. The story was all over the place. Dr. Strange wasn't that impressive at all. Very disappointed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; I haven't seen a single Marvel product after Endgame, and it looks like I made the right choice. Thanks Gary, Critical Drinker, and other Fandom content producers for showing me that I missed nothing! BTW - I was a HUGE comic book and sci-fi fantasy fan stemming back from the late 70s. I saw what happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc, and knew it was only a matter of time until the Marvel Universe met a similar fate.
To be fair, No Way Home was an enjoyable film. Nothing ground-breaking, but at least you can watch it without wanting to punch someone out of frustration.
@@Izelor no way home was mediocre. story was literally "everybody knows my identity and now supervillains are here, time to fight em with my friends and spidermen and make them forget my identity!!"
I feel like the creative teams behind Disney prioritizes two things. 1) The message (intersectional feminism, Sexual Deviancy, Critical Race Theory, etc) 2) Visual imagery It's like they start with some kind of message they want to tell. Then the creative team at Marvel makes a bunch artistic images for scenes that have no context but look cool. Then they try to fit them together with some kind plot that hits the message at the end. During the process, they have rules like "don't let women fail" or "make sure men act as cowardly as possible" or "bring up racism." The thing is that they've gotten much lazier about how they connect their plot points lately, so they just deprioritize being consistent or even fulfilling their setups and payoffs.
@@tomcat3900 people are trying to understand why they don't like certain movies. In general, if you watch a movie and don't like it, you want to know why you don't like it. So you analyze it. Once you analyze it, you can see patterns more easily in other movies. It's not so much that the things I've listed exist in movies, it's that people making movies have them as such a high priority that they neglect making good stories that have a decent amount of consistency and sympathetic characters. The things that make movies compelling are just low on their list of priorities. It's what I've noticed. I probably wouldn't have analyzed these movies if they hadn't kept releasing movies that I didn't like over and over while patting themselves on the back for implanting their political ideas in everything they make.
@@FirstSkilletFan right but everything you mentioned wasn't in this movie at all so you're just stupid and complaining just to complain when none of these problems existed in this movie Wanda was literally the bad guy and made her character flawed if anything strange was a less flawed character and strange literally saved the girl multiple times so tell me where was this message you speak of?
Marvel is destroying w h at they built for 10 years with this current phase of films and TV shows. With the exception of No way home the climaxes of these projects have been underwhelming and don't build up the next story because they dint really connect like they use to. Also, Dr. Strange shoukd have been on a quest to regain his spot as top dog while beating Mordos ass because he killed fellow sorcerers. Nope instead we got Wanda and her grief again.
Well, this justifies my decision not to see the film. In my opinion the first Doctor Strange film proved the character could stand on his own and should have had his own run separate from the MCU. This just shows how absolutely garbage the post-Endgame phase is.
i think that strange was a good main character to intreduce because he got a good backstory but what next? making him just fight random wierd things would make the movie average which is why his character worked better as a cameo in different movies however i don't think it was a good idea to overshadow him in his own movie either.
I know a real life Marvel Stan(never knew they actually existed where I live, but the more you know and live) who, when I brought up the recent arrest of the Doctor Who actress and her husband relating to what they did and about the media coverage, the first thing he immediately said was that it was a ploy to bring down the new Doctor Strange movie. Let that sink in. I think that pretty much covers what I think about Marvel and their fans.
I feel like this could've been stretched out to multiple movies. Scarlet Witch could be the next huge villain if they LET HER BE EVIL! It started with WandaVision, yes, but they still had a chance to show her becoming so utterly twisted and insane that they WOULD have an excuse to make it the next big Marvel crossover event. A fight between a pre-NoWayHome Doctor Strange and a barbaric Scarlet Witch would be chaotic but potentially epic. I especially hate the fact that Wanda just collapses a building on herself. From a character perspective, she hasn't had to pay for any of her crimes since that jail scene in CA: Civil War
"do we need a villain?" dear Disney, the "heroes" you write ARE villains...
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It's hard for them to write villains, when THEY are the villain.
Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.
@tj usually based on real people they disagree with.
And they write these "films" for THEMSELVES. Stop supporting them.
Wanda didn't seem to miss her brother Quicksilver with whom she spent whole childhood and most of her adulthood,
And the love of her life Vision,
But yeah she wanted her made up kids (for like 2 weeks) with whom she barely spent any time with...🤦🏻♂️
Quit speaking logic and using your brain. Disney doesn't like that.
While Strange should have the wisdom and intelligence he is known of.
You can no longer have a she-ro pine for a man. That's against "THE MESSAGE".
she was driven insane by the Darkhold, so any comparison between Wanda "before and after" is actually incorrect.
@@marcoviola6741 Exactly. All these insecure man babies care about is omg woman strong me mad
You're absolutely right when you said it's not a sequel to Dr Strange. It doesn't feel like a sequel at all.
i mean the ending cutscene makes it a sequel and brings in a comic character that makes sense to be introduced
Exactly. Felt like it was more about Wanda movie then a Dr. Strange movie. Even if it was about wanda, it was a mess of a story. I think those who like it have a poor story telling IQ if you know what I mean. They see the actions and it awe's them but clueless about an actually good story.
@@BiblicalAuthority1611 points like yours always annoy the heck out of me. What you’re doing is lumping everyone who likes the movie into a corner and saying “they don’t understand but us? The loud MINORITY? We understand.”
@@christianray8973 The movie was a disaster. Strange 1 great right? 2 was a mess of a story, plot and logic. This was more of a prequel of Wanda vision. I don't even know if the directors and produces follow the comics. The story was just that bad. To "woke" for me. Dr. Strange could handle Thanos but couldn't do well at all against a 1 eyes squid. I could continue but for myself it was a mess of a movie telling story.
Come to think about it doesn't feel like it pushes the MCU forward in any directions at all... it sort of circled around itself like a confused dog.
10:40 Glad to know I’m not the only one who thought America Chavez’s backstory in this movie was dumb and hilarious.
Ma! I’m famous!
Personally, I thought that was the point. Several things in this movie was just funny and it seemed intentional. Like zombie Strange. I don't mind it at all either, I don't suppose we would ever get any more movies where she plays a bigger role. This movie was all about Wanda and Strange. Concluding Wanda's grief (ish) and concluding Strange's hang-up about his personal life. I liked the movie and it was different.
It was funny as hell
Lol right?
Girl got scared of bee, resulting in yeeted away her moms 🤣
@@royalroyal2210 the fact she had "Moms" is the funniest thing
@@royalroyal2210 well....if only amber heard's dog was there to step on that bee😂😂
Professor X losing a psychic battle against Scarlet Witch is some worse thing i ever heard... as far as I know, the only other person that could beat Professor X's psychic power is Jean Grey.
And that's with the Phoenix force and that was when he wasn't trying to hurt her
You’re taking the scene out of context. Wanda was possessing an innocent version of herself who had two kids…Professor X was not tryna bring harm to his universes Wanda. Wanda on the other hand was going in with murderous intent.
@@wesstewart2677 imagine defending woke trash... yikes
I hope patrick stewart is happy, he was killed as picard and he was killed as profesor x. though to be fair he was also killed as uriel septim so there is that, the man wants no legacy of him left in this world.
Patrick Stewart's an a-hole so I was fine with it.
“I have a lot of anxiety with Doctor Strange because I’ve never really had to lead a commercial film by myself”
~ Elizabeth Olson to the NY Times. In case there was still any doubt who they consider the lead to be.
Every marvel movie that comes out everyone says that villain sucked, and when infinity war made thanos the main character essentially everyone loved it. And now they give Wanda optimal screen time have a villainous arch, you all shit on it and hate it. What did you want? Her to just be bad and have no explanation for it? You would have shit on that too? Dr. Strange is very much the protagonist of the film, Wanda is the ANTAGONIST. While I agree that America was relied on too much for plot and character and overall I agree the film could have been better, but this criticism is just dumb.
@@thinkmcfly376 We wanted a Dr. Strange movie dude. Like the first one. Focused around him. Not on Wanda and America.
@@jimhalpert0 and that’s what you got, with a developed villain, your criticism is simply incorrect and stupid.
@@thinkmcfly376 the explanation was SHITE, that’s the point.
@@jimhalpert0 would you prefer Wanda have 0 scenes alone and we only see her when she’s with strange and not explain anything really or develop her arch? They make a hero a compelling villain, and you all shit on it. And you’re surprised when marvel villains are under developed? It’s bc when they do something like this you hate on it. The concept of a protagonist and an antagonist are lost on you.
Wanda; let go of her vengeance against Stark once she learned what Ultron had planned, and joined the Avengers losing her brother.
Wanda; sacrificed the love of her life and was willing to kill Vision in order to defeat Thanos and protect humanity.
2 movies later...
Also Wanda; enslaved an entire town, traumatized children, killed innocent people, gave way to dark magic, and traveled the multi verse in order to kidnap someone else's children then ultimately killed herself
What a hero!
Edit; I forgot to mention how Wanda accidentally killed innocents and basically allowed herself to be imprisoned out of fear of hurting others.
No one called her a hero but fanboys of the character
@@GrimmtokiAMV shes being sarcastic, and she was a grat hero up to this movie and depending on how she would have chosen to redeem herself for what she did to westview... But i guess they chose the exact opposite direction
She did it to cope with the loss of vision (i guess?)
@@phoenix1985gr Wanda wasn't a great hero, she caused alot of the mistake the avengers had to deal with and ran away from it with vision once and then ran away again
I saw a Twitter thread saying Wanda did nothing wrong they are always trying to justify her actions it's laughable
"They're killed in order of privilege" had me screaming in laughter🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's not wrong though, that's exactly what happened.
Has anyone noticed the lgbt flag on that girl’s jacket ? Like wtf
@@renaldsunset that’s one of those small things that I don’t mind like that’s just something to make gay people happy 😂
@@A_cracker14 The bar for the happiness of gay people is too low if that's true 😂😂
@@renaldsunset well she is a lesbian
"They are killed in order of privilege" had me laughing so hard
Yeah cuz this guy’s ability to say stupid sh** is unrivaled
It was hysterical, until you think about it and just shake your head. It actually happens that way, and knowing the bios of those involved, it’s very possible it was purposefully done. It’s THE MESSAGE X3,000
Yeah Gary has some great one liners.
@@SpartyCubsFan 🤡
@@SpartyCubsFan an old white man is literally killed last 😂😂
"Grief is the villain."
Last time I checked the vast majority of people who grieve the loss of a loved one don't turn into mass murderers. So I'd argue that the mass murderer is the villain.
Imagine if Spiderman had started a genocide cause of his uncle Ben and it would still had made more sense cause he was atleast real lmao
most people also dont have powers that literally allow them to completely alter reality with a single thought, that are heavily tied to their mentally unstable emotions. "no more mutants", anyone?
@@eraba661 didn't the animated series do that with Spider-Carnage?
It could work, especially since we've already seen Wanda's dark side, but they needed to take something like this slow and gradually develop it. As it is it's rushed, poorly developed, and pulled in too many different directions.
@@ctmdarkonestm Yes, but the symbiote had a hand in that lol. It was a Peter who couldnt beat his worst impulses and throw off the alien. You could also argue Carnage is even harder to reason with than Venom.
A couple of musings from this violation of my favorite Marvel character:
1. America Chavez is detestable, impossible to take seriously, and is clearly a self-insert for Victoria Alonso.
2. To the parents out there, didn't Wanda's phantom children seem obnoxiously sweet and innocent? One of them needed to rock back and forth on an antique chair until it broke.
3. We get to meet Reed Richards and Black Bolt, then never get to see them in action, while instead being treated to pallete-swaps of characters we've already seen plenty of.
4. Professor X, the God of telepathy, gets out-mindfucked by a villainess using plot powers.
5. Christine seemed to be more responsible for driving the plot than Strange was. Her "yas qween" moment with the magic flamethrower she somehow knew how to operate made me nearly cringe to death.
6. Zombie Strange was admittedly pretty cool. But the dramatic reveal of the "souls of the damned" kinda came out of left field.
7. America actually FAILING at the end while practicing magic was literally her one saving grace.
8. The multiverse travel scene had some cool imagery, but I'm sure on second look, a lot of it is just key-jangling with landscapes instead of characters.
9. Even my optimistic wife walked out feeling let down. She actually felt bad for bringing me because she knew Strange was my favorite and was surprised how much he was shit on. Even having watched FNT and Mauler, I didn't know just how awful it was going to be. All I could think at the end was
"Look how they massacred my boy."
Welcome to Phase 4!
Wanda Could've Just Banged Strange if She Really Wanted Kids, Like She Only Knew Her "fake" Kids For Less than 2 Weeks.
I almost took you seriously until you mentioned a wife lol
No way anybody like you is married 😂
Sam Raimi said in the commentary for army of darkness "a protagonist isn't interesting to me unless they are causing me pain"
@@lofaber5664 Not only, are you a jerk. But you’re blatantly assuming, stuff about this guys life.
Was this because you disagree with this comment? Or something petty ? 🤨
Funny enough, it all started going down when Mephisto, who's supossed to be a villain, wasn't present in WandaVision.
And about all those spells, I think it all could have ended without a single fight if only one of her former teammates, the avengers, was there to talk to her and make her see the bullshit she was about to do.
Making the 'movie' a sequel to a TV show that not everyone in the intended audience has seen is a whole new level of idiocy.
Not really. Didn’t see Wanda Vision and had no problem following the plot and enjoying the movie. At this point everything in the MCU is a sequel to something that not everyone has seen.
@@serchtopo Doctor strange shouldn’t have been a sequel to Wandavision, a Wanda movie should’ve been.
@@Naomi-xu4hq yeah 99% of people went to see this because of Dr Strange and all the cameos not feminist bullshit
If I hear "wAnDa is tHe moSt pOawerfUlll!!" one more time😐
Its even funnier cause nobody cared about wanda when there were o6, but after the wandavision (the first series) twt (lol) went crazy after their "queen" and now they are pushing wanda down everyone's throat
@@4doorsmoreguns193 stg I saw that pin on her jacket and the fact she had two moms just because. Not adding anything to the story. Stopped the movie right then and there
"The Message" is more important that good writing and good content. I'm truly sad that a once great franchise has been so broken. I pray some smaller studios start their own series and crush these corporate goofs.
That can't happen so long as Disney is in charge they will not allow it.
I read "The Message" in The critical drinkers voice lmao😂😂
@@tejvishwajeet As it should be 🍺
That's why we gotta support the Rippaverse when Eric July releases it, cause we know its gonna be a passion project made by a die hard comic fan that isn't worried about including "THE MESSAGE"
Hopefully the more rational comments like yours and mine have effect on the course. Saddened that they throw tradition out the window, Doctor who is always kind of progressive however they didn't try to piss in your Cheerios and pretend it was milk.
I think Marvel needs to take a break, do a lot of planning, then return to writing the new movies. We're getting the usual problem with sequels that they had previously managed to minimize.
Facts
Much like any big franchise, they are chugging along doing what they can with the actors available. It's a business--they need to keep making money, any pause in the periodic releases means lost revenue for that timeframe.
Are they creatively bankrupt, though? No...I wouldn't think so. The Thor movie and She-Hulk previews dont fill me with any desired to see them. But this movie I think largely suceeded because of what the opposite this reviewer said--they kept the focus ON Strange, so the woke tidbits couldn't fester and linger to take over on their own.
@@PreferredCustomer I think they could potentially make more if they paused and strategized once more but I'm sure the executives don't see it that way and have their own timelines. It's just unfortunate.
There's no feel of the overall build up that kept me watching all the movies prior to endgame. It just feels like they are kinda going somewhere but not with the same intensity. Or maybe that just wore off. I dunno.
If they fire all the feminists and soy boys the movies would improve SIGNIFICANTLY. Like politics is everywhere I dont need a supposedly fun movie pushing communism (food should be a human right scene), two moms, all of the male characters being weak/incompetent, the forced diversity, etc. Its so obvious and cringe.
It's not Marvel, it's Disney. They have a clear agenda and everything they touch turns to shit.
I feel bad for Benedict. Just look at him in The Power of the Dog, Patrick Melrose, Atonement etc. This man can play any character, portray any emotion with ease. He was so good in the first movie, and he would have been so good in this too. However, I must say that he does what he can with what is given to him. I can’t remember the name of it now, but in some podcast, he admitted to not even being sure if Strange had a character arc in this movie
it supposedly be him letting other people take the lead, that he not supposed to do everything himself which is so stupid he literally trust Tony to save the universe cause he knew he be snap
also hated how everyone was giving him shit for the letting Thanos "win" that he had to do things his way but he look at millions of outcomes and this was the only way ! like I know people on the internet had pointed out other ways to win but come on you gotta follow your own lore and logic. it was so stupid that everyone was trying to make him the bad guy and how the illiumatie with CAPTAIN AMERICA were judging him for the actions of a different person like that's kinda racist or is it personist.
I mean I still liked the movie it's the second best mcu work behind Spider-Man nwh since endgame but doctor strange was very mishandled in his own movie for scarlet bi*** and America chavas
Unpopular opinion his portrayal of khan in into darkness was the best thing of that movie, people can hate the movie all they want but remove those nostalgia glasses and think about in lore khan, and Benedict popping that dudes head like a cherry was both accurate and scary, never saw o.g. khan ever kill a dude just saying
The sad thing is that the behind the scenes footage showed he REALLY did his best, but there really isn't much a great actor can do with an atrocious script.
He literally plays the same character
I feel bad for Benedict too! Maybe you should set up a GoFundMe page for him!
I feel Wanda should've had her own movie dealing with this and her turn to the dark side. I thought this movie was gonna be about Strange dealing with the fallout from opening the multiverse in No Way Home. Fighting alongside and against evil versions of himself and other multiverse threats. America Chavez was terrible and unnecessary as Wanda and Strange proved they can traverse the multiverse either way
"America Chavez was terrible and unnecessary." Very true.
I thought the exact same thing ! I was utterly disappointed that it had absolutely no connection with "SPIDER-MAN: NWH" !
I really did NOT like the "bait & switch" nor did I enjoy how they wasted all of the cool cameos !
I also really didn't care for this "America Chavez" character of whom I never really heard of before this movie ! I was expecting a whole lot more from a movie called, "DR. STRANGE In The Multiverse Of Madness" !
WHO THE HELL WROTE THIS GARBAGE 🙄😤😡🤬⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@smartchai might as well have been Wanda and the Darkhold 😂
And that's what Disney wanted you to think through the trailer. All in order to trick you and go see their terrible movie. After what they did with Black Widow, I plan to watch reviews first before ever seeing another comic book movie. Whether it be MCU, DCU, SW, etc. So far, only The Batman looks promising.
@@marywinchester1322 honestly didn't even know why Wanda was in this movie I thought they resolved her issues in Wanda vision. But the Batman was fire
I do dislike the whole ‘forgiveness’ bullshit when it comes to Wanda as a character.
Grief is not an excuse to be a complete asshole. We all deal with trauma. Did anyone excuse Patrick Bateman because his dad died and his mom ended up in the loony bin? No, the guy was psychotic.
But it seems like they want us to have some sort of empathy for Wanda being a full on serial killer at this point.
You do see the last few years of the world right...
Most of the bad guys get away with it or fail upwards
Not being a jerk that's just the point of it
They want bad people
These woke Current Year elitists can't even have enough respect for Wanda to generate empathy...they expect us to serve her tea and sympathy because 'her fee-fee's'. Kevin and his 'creatives' sure wouldn't understand high concepts like redemption...or we can't just be given (or in Wanda's case, take) anything, we must earn something of great value. Self entitled posers who know nothing about how reality works aren't liable to tell good stories or create enduring characters.
@@deadnorth8648 The perfect example of failing upwards: the idiots responsible for Batwoman. They didn't just plague our culture for three damned years, they've moved on to greener pastures to screw something ELSE up!
couldnt have said it better
@Fax Machine my comment was based on the writers interviews from Wandavision on. Originally, they didn't even want to include a villain because, and I quote 'Grief is a big enough villain'.
Which is such a Gen Z comment it's disgusting. My feelings trump everything else in life. Pander to me.
The comics did Wanda's slip into madness so much better, because she wasn't doing crap for selfish reasons. Even the excuses I hear are grade A retarded crap.
"She's just trying to get back to her children.'
Her kids were pure figments of her imagination. End of story. So, she basically went on a murdering spree to save a fucking unicorn. Even to the point that she would basically murder another child in Chavez.
I mean, at least with Thanos we could understand where the guy was coming from because he literally witnessed his civilization tear itself apart. He was still horrible, but you could see the road that led him to that point. Wanda is straight up pulling the 'Anakin kills younglings' trademark move.
It was crappy writing then, it's crappy writing now.
Hell yeah! Finally someone who calls out the Mcu for making it 616, I literally muttered in theaters "oh come on.." when they said the Mcu is 616, it really angered me, especially since if it were 616 then we would have had the Fantastic Four already and a whole different story.
You realize the mcu is not apart of the comic multiverse but a adaptation’s of that multiverse then the mcu is 616
Okay, my major complaint above all others is the following:
How does Captain Carter last longer than Xavier when he is in the mindscape?
Black Bolt I only understand because they made Reed stupidly announce his power. But that just raises the question of why Reed told any Scarlet Witch that didn’t know what BB could do about his abilities? There are just too many questions that don’t add up.
Time after time prof x is well known powerful telepath but he can get his shit rocked both comics and movies.
Reed either knew or didn’t know who was Wanda was. The reason I say this is that Wanda from his earth had pretty normal life with kids. She still had powers so she was hero at some point with weaker powers compared to her 616 counter part or just had normal life. So he assumed she was no real big threat and the could taker her down like any other strange they faced. Reed also is the smartest man but he obviously tried to sympathize with her about family and intimidate her with bb powers. But didn’t realize her powers could alter reality.
@@jb-gt8oi
Okay, but he called her the scarlet witch and even said he knew about the prophecy that her destiny was either to destroy or rule.
Also, X gets his crap rocked all the time OUTSIDE of the mindscape. But it has been repeatedly said that in the mindscape(an actual plane of reality in the Marvel universe) that he is basically the second most powerful being right behind The Phoenix force boosted Jean. Even Frost isn’t able to match him there.
That said, even if you want to make the case that he was gonna get beat bad because of the Scarlet Witch abilities, he should have lasted longer than Captain Carter. Why does the woman with peak physical fitness and nothing else last longer than an omega level telepath in the mindscape?
@@blackchibisan8116 i think it could cause Wanda relies on her powers a bit to much and she isn’t really used to hand and hand fighting, and that she could have been a bit tired out due to the fight of captain marvel since they both are powered by a infinty stone
Boobas, I guess - or like Nerdrotic would the, "Wokeness" xD
Because it's the M-She-U. No other reasoning needed. Men are the weaker sex now, whamens are all powerful and male.
My favorite part was when they pretended like black bolt saying something would have actually caused a reaction to his body like you expect me to believe the skin over his mouth is stronger than his skull along with the fact that he trained his entire life to be able to control his vocal cords so he wouldn't kill his wife and family in his sleep
Even if he did react, sound moves throughout your hole body so it’s not like his windpipes can’t handle his own voice
You're asking a lot from people whose knowledge of the characters can fit on the back of a trading card.
I agree this was the dumb part of the movie for me. Why she didnt just insta-kill Captain Britain and Blackstar like the other guys made no sense, beyond wanting a girlpower fight.
She wasnt toying with them for last or anything. And those two just standing there watching others die was very stupid.
I may have missed it, but when I watched that scene, I thought that Scarlet Witch just imploded his brain…because it just makes no sense for him to cause his own death with his own powers…but maybe that’s me giving them the benefit of the doubt and I should shut my mouth.
It’s a movie and I thought that shit was raw asf
My favorite part of the movie is when they bring in mister fantastic just to have wanda turn him into spaghetti. So stunning and brave!
I'm pretty sure beating Professor X in his own mind dimension, where he is a god, is more stunning and brave
This Reed must not go up against Doom and Galactus on a regular basis.
Blows my mind… 😬
@@kyleweaver9830 I'm pretty sure this Reed would get blown by Kyle Rittenhouse 😂
@@MuskiewisAskiew69420 too soon 😅
I can't believe this is the first time this thought has entered my mind, but it dawned on me that these writers were actually paid to create these shows. This is why hiring people based on anything other than ability to complete a certain task is a very dumb idea. I'm not sure the English vocabulary contains the words to accurately describe just how terrible Marvel's content has become.
How about... "SHIT".
@@s77lom49 How about......."Crap"
Seems more like rushed to me
It's not terrible, it's entertaining to a GIANT number of people. This movie almost grossed 1 Billion dollars. "Terrible" movies gross under 95 million. I actually liked and was entertained by this movie. Wanda fans liked it, except for the fact that she almost certainly died at the end. The people wanting to see the heroes that showed up in cameos as the Illuminati were happy as well, except they died too quickly. The fact that Dr. Strange can't defeat Wanda in a straight up fight and yet kept fighting to stop her makes his heroism that much greater. He was a much greater hero of this movie than he was in the first Dr. Strange. The Time Stone really is what defeated Dormannu. Here, neither he nor America defeated Wanda, Billy and Tommy, the sons of the alternate Wanda that she coveted defeated her. They rejected her, which defeated her quest, then in despair, she destroyed the Darkhold, and dropped it on herself which presumably killed her as well. The after credits lead apparently to Dr. Strange 3, with the Charlize Theron character as part of the adventure. Just like the after credits scene of WandaVision led to Dr. Strange 2.
@@jonathancummings6400 Well it earned so much money because was the continuation of a very good and popular movie, so people went thinking it would be as good but were mistaken. It was cool seing the cameos and a second later, one of the worst thing in the movie as it just spit in the face of 4 extremelly powerfull heros that couldnt take a wanda on a 5x1 (remembering it wanst the ovepower wanda of the original universe, but a weaker version of herself from that universe, so there is no excuses for that). Dr Strange was a greater hero with a better development in the first movie, he went from a arrogant doctor to being up to imprison himself for eternity on a death loop to protect the world from dormanmu, with the time stone being a tool for that (saing the jewel defeated dormanmu is like saying the infinity gauntlet defeated thanos instead of the avengers). And in the end wanda sons being the ones to "defeat" wanda is very weak and put all the journey of chaves and strange into the shitter, because if they havent interfered, wanda would still scary her sons and chilled out after that. The only one with a real development was chavez, which is very dumb as the movie should be about dr strange.
I’m surprised he was able to say “that’s what happens when there is no men around” without being cancelled 😂😂
I know somebody's going to hate me for bringing this up, but how the hell did two moms bring America Chavez into the world? It could NOT have been like Wanda wishing her kids into existence in WandaVision. Based on pure logic and medical science, either of those ladies' gardens needed a seed...otherwise nothing would have grown, if you know what I mean. (To be much more blunt, a donation of icky guy sperm is kind of required.) But then, I probably just made a lot of idiots lose their minds saying that!
yea ik right
@@charlesws7825 it’s pretty obvious it’s adoption
@@ecgamer3156 Stupid fact: Gabby Rivers' stories in the comics that retconned America Chavez into her brain damaged 'correct' version established that BOTH of her moms were her biological parents...because the dimension they're from is that magical. (Yup, it's THAT stupid, and it was never explained anymore than that. Is it any wonder America was hated by so many comics fans? I'll never understand how Gabby got to work for Marvel...unless she had some HUGE dirt on somebody...)
The movie could have been a little different. I like your adoption idea and it makes sense, but why couldn't there have been a mention of that...or of America having a dad at all?
Oh, yeah. 'Toxic men bad, a little girl don't need no dad, smash patriarchy, blah-blah-blah!'
I, too, laughed out loud at that one.
America: I can't control my powers!
Strange: Yes, you can.
America: Oh.
Something that kills me about all of this is that Scarlet witch gets her powers from the Mind stone that was in the scepter, and Captain Marvel gets her unstoppable powers from the Space stone that was in the Tesseract. Yet they try to make it like these two were just destined for badassery all along and the Infinity Stones are just.. paper weights?
Wanda powers where enhanced from mind stone/ fully awaking her powers. That’s why she barley had any magic when she was growing up until hydra found her. Captain marvel…..um idk what you’re talking care to explains to me on why she was destined to be badass.
The Infinity Stones are paper weight in the TVA.
It's not known in the movies yet but wanda was an experiment by the high evolutionary as well as getting enhanced by the mind stone.
Not even worth a trip to the high seas for this one. From seeing Marvel on day one at the cinema, to not even bothering at all... Well done, MCU: you had a licence to print money and you blew it.
Grief is a villain? This might be the most womanly thing I’ve ever heard in my life. How do you intend to defeat the emotion of grief? Maybe with a tub of ice cream? This chick would be better off writing feminist fiction, at least there nobody would call her out on being lazy.
It's not a bad concept but the genre of comics and action movies requires that grief, and other concepts, should be embodied by a physical representation. A monster or a character to be fought.
@@FortuitusVideo representation and symbolic metaphors are so literal and lazy in Disney products. Couldn't imagine them making something that can be interpreted by the viewer for meaning like Taxi Driver. You know, like most great works of art.
Lmao you have a point
Isn't grief the villain for Zemo in Civil War? Don't see anyone complaining about that.
Lol this lady must deal with grief especially on being alone.
This is why I really don’t like the multiverse, it gives an excuse to have multiple versions of the same characters and it all turns into a massive cluster F!
Probably their setting up secret wars.
the execution of this film was bad. I don't get it why people still love multiverse. More like fanservice to me.
All the MCU movies now feel like they were thought up and written in a 3 day brainstorming session with everyone taking turns being like “oh yeah and what if this happened? Oh and wouldn’t it be cool if…”
A child of 3 years old
I've heard the new Thor movie suffers from this as well. Not getting my hopes up too high for Friday.
these movies prove that cocaine is still a popular drug in hollywoke.
Disney really included a Latina character whose superpower is crossing borders.
Underrated comment.
What's this trend in Hollywood now where they're deliberately alleviating their female characters of any accountability?
Wanda's not evil, just misunderstood.
Maleficent's not evil, just misunderstood.
Cruella's not evil. Her mom was killed by Dalmatians.
Ahhhhh! It's ludicrous.
It's the undiscussed, central point of feminism.
So hollywood despise women by showing them as unresponsible, agressive jerks?
That's heavy. :D
Yelena Belova is not evil, just having fun when committing mass murder.
@@normal6969 no, they want to normalize it
@@Sakyosha I know, see my name ;)
America Chavez looked remarkably healthy and clean for someone who's basically constantly escaping from one universe after another.
Damn you'll complain about literally anything at this point huh?
@@redninja3056 it's Morbin' time!
@@redninja3056 It's not my biggest issue with this film but it would've been nice if they portrayed her as a bit more stressed out and trauma-ridden. She seemed too relaxed considering all that had happened to her.
@@redninja3056 Actually, it's looking at something critically and deciding if its plusses or minuses are more or less and determining that way if it is something that is PERSONALLY liked. It's what you do when you don't believe everything ever made was masterpieces or that everything should always be praised to high heaven and back, regardless of how many flaws it has. For example, many people wanted to see the new Firestarter. Many people were disappointed with the movie, despite being positive about it before watching it.
@@sigmacademy no it's not it's complaining about something that has almost nothing to do with the movie and looking for reasons to not like it
Hahahaha "vibrator broke and waits too long to have kids" are the best descriptions of these movies I've ever heard
I liked the part Wanda Omni-Maned the Illuminati. My problem was the inconsistent powers of her. If she can make confetti out of Mr. Fantastic with her mind, and change the reality of the body of someone, why can't she do that to everyone else?
glad i’m not the only one noticed
wanda omni maned them all
With her powers how can they make fight scenes interesting she can just change everybody into anything and move on... They have atleast tried to make it little interesting
I believe in the comic she rewrote reality or some shit like wen she said mutants no more idk if that's the power representation they were to show us saying she's OP which we knew or jus throw characters in their that couldn't even really fight back
I presumed that was because in comparison, Mr Fantastic doesn’t have any sort of... well, defence against it. Try it on someone like Captain Marvel, a much higher tier character in raw combat, and it won’t go so well.
How she got Black Adam is beyond me, but quick thinking and just the right manipulation basically got him to kill himself.
agreed takes you out of the film cause you have to wonder why she didnt' instant kill captain carter and marvel. Also mr fantastic true power is his mind but they made him a dumb ass in this film ;_; lastly it seems like they are wasting the multiverse aspect for creativity and fun and using it for diversity and bs only. So a way to make people not really die, and to race swap and do woke stuff. Instead of really cool stuff like showing galactus vs thanos or something insane like showing odin vs thanos, etc insane battles of super villians and hero's y in diff. multiverses or perhaps some hero as a bad guy,etc.
My favorite part of this movie is that I haven't watched it.
"And you'll never have to."
- Batman
Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.
The whole time I was thinking: WHERE’S VISION, WHY HASN’T SHE MENTIONED VISION, WHY WASN’T VISION IN THIS FILM & SHE WANTS HER FAKE CHILDREN, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!
Hell, what about Pietro? HER TWIN BROTHER?!
@@LunarSpiral1127 Yeah I don’t want my husband & brother, I want my fake kids who are 10 so I’ve missed most of their childhood 😂
ikr wouldn't she want Vision back first, wasn't that big part of that failed TV series
She don't need no MAN in her life - the writers.
@@SM1THYz1 ofc feminist writers fantasize about single mothers never needing their man/husband only caring about their children when theyre not crying babies. Cherry pick the "good things" from life for your own selfish interests. The feminist fantasy.
That clip of Drax laughing needs to become a staple. I can't think of anything that better summarizes the m-she-u in 1 second.
I don't blame sam raimi for this. Same as spiderman 3 it was the studio and writers screwing things up. Sam did a great job with the directing part of things, having nice set pieces etc. The problem is the writing and forced nonsense like america chavez.
I could see the obvious arc for scarlet witch and it would be dark and very Sam Rammi. and then disney G rated her 10 year character arc. this wasn't the worst marvel film but it's the one that ended my last thread of hope the writers/directors ever had a plan. or if they did disney exec's just dont care about story and character and are just selling...COOONNTTEENNTTT...
The movie is fine. Too many armchair quarterbacks out there
This guy knows what he’s talking about I didn’t have any msheu moments in the movie there might have been America Chavez punching Wanda but America didn’t do much she needed to do something I think this movie was ok I’d definitely give it a rewatch. I had mixed feelings about the ending though how strange was just like what are we waiting for let’s go!!
@@ramencurry6672 the movie is smeh
Exactly, and everything was 'forced' by Kevin Feige. Makes me wonder what the Raimi Cut of this movie must be like...?
The director saying she can't follow the blocking in a comic book does make me wonder what grade in elementary school she managed to complete before becoming a "director", since that blocking is pretty much the exact same format as storyboarding which is part of her supposed job description.
So, Wanda is more powerful than she was in WandaVision right? If so, why not just "re-create" her kids...? She already knew that they weren't real, right? Or since she could possess herself, why not just stay in that body? She was planning on stealing kids from herself? Idk her motives are mind-boggling stupid
Or, why not go to a universe where Vision is raising the kids but Wanda died? The lack of Vision in this movie is truly astounding. It feels like an executive sent down a note saying Vision couldn't take part in saving Wanda because she doesn't need no man
LOL that would have save everyone a lot of trouble.... just make a new couple of kids and new husband, and BAM, roll credits
The scene where she goes to happy Wanda's house should have gone on for longer with the kids throwing things at her, her breaking down after being rejected by not her kids then happy Wanda threatening her before zombie strange and Mexico Chavez showing up and beating her extra thicc ASS. Then she could try to say she's an avenger and strange could be like "not anymore. avengers don't steal other people's lives" then she flares up and does the runes thing again then America gains control of her powers and teleports them to another dimension which wanda follows and strange is now free of the runes and able to turn her magic back at her or cast his own rune room, or send her back to her own body or something. and once she's beaten they put her in a medically induced coma for the rest of forever. or until they introduce the x men and magneto sets her free to be his minion or something
But then we wouldn't have the Multiverse of Madness would we? With the emphasis on Madness...
@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 and we'd be better off
Thank you for explaining what I was feeling! This ISN'T a Doctor Strange sequel, but a sequel to Wandavision with Strange in it... Smh.
They neutered him.
Hardly Wanda vision sequal the TV show is much to good for this movie.
Yeah if I got "neutered" and get to make love to Charlize sign me up!!! lmao
@@emberframe6994 It still isn't as good as people say it is
@@emberframe6994 nah it was so boring
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 watch monster and come back
The amount of emotional validation they're heaping on the villains like Wanda and that chick from Falcon and Winter Soldier is really, really pathetic. FFS, Marvel, they are NOT GOOD PEOPLE.
The fact that DC and Marvel are trying so hard to make these objectively horrible people into sympathetic characters is really disturbing. Instead of showing them having a change of heart and REPENTING for their crimes, we get "they'll never know what you sacrificed," and "I know you made it right." Endless emotional validation. PATHETIC.
Feminist writers man. Go get your fix elsewhere. I doubt the disney consumers have even seen 25% of the genuine, great Hollywood movies throughout history.
The writing is horrible, & its made worse with the fact that there's no good reason why they're evil. Wanda misses her robot boyfriend/fake kids & Sharon sells illegal arms/drugs because...she can? 😂
@@LunaticFringeReviews Sharon got screwed so hard starting in Infinity War, where the writers forgot she existed entirely, to Endgame where her boyfriend forgets she exists to break time travel rules and his entire character to go back and be with her aunt, to... whatever that was in Falcon.
"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man; & I take away reason & accountability."
Lesson Learned: Treat superhero movies written by Feminists the way men treat Feminists: By AVOIDING THEM.
Knowing Dr. Strange as a person who thinks outside the box, he would've already create his own spells. Such as creating a portal without the use of a sling ring. Remember, he was the first and only person was able to use the time stone in various ways. Yet, he couldn't create new spells presently? Lol.
So how far out should he see then dummy? In your calculations
@@herbderb4929 Lol. Ah, yes. You NEVER read any Dr. Strange comics and NEVER observed watching the first film. Typical FAKE FAN. Lol.
How far? How about being the Sorcerer Supreme. Lol.
@@herbderb4929 with the timestone: infinitely. Without: not at all.
@@herbderb4929 Reddit kid only watched movie becoz of visuals
The worst thing about Professor X's death in this movie is that it totally undermines Logan (IMO the best movie to ever carry the Marvel logo). He was given such a heartbreaking, yet perfect sendoff in that movie, that if you bring Sir Patrick Stewart back to reprise the role, you better have a damn good reason. And you don't need me to tell you that this movie did not.
Logan was a terrible movie.
@@TommieGun71 No it was amazing
Multiverse
This is a Multiverse. That Prof X wasn't the only one. It doesn't matter that Wanda killed them all as there are infinite others.
@@jphyde1855 So nothing matters in these Marvel films then? So why should I watch them?
You got one detail wrong: Kamar-Taj is in Nepal in the MCU, not Tibet. The reason being that Disney will sell their own fans out to get awards for ‘diversity and inclusion’ but will refuse to recognize certain countries as certain countries because China.
I assume he got it “wrong” on purpose to annoy people who don’t think Tibet is a country
I guess you would be annoyed too if Russia or China would make their biggest movies with country of Texas, freed from oppression of liberal-fascist America.
@@ImperativeGames Nah, I'd be cool with that. The US needs its ass kicked, tbh.
THAT was the joke lol. Obvi Tibet isn't a country, so he is making fun of Disney with that.
All this killing to steal someone else's kids, a latina character with a clearly American accent and no character development and worst of all a complete and total waste of the return of Patrick Stewart of Professor X. Spiderman's writers had the right idea. JUST GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. Why was it so hard here when the writers clearly had access to almost any character from Marvel?
In first movie mordo tells strange that the rings can be used to travel through the multiverse so that means the whole point of Amerika Chavez is ridiculous.
It wouldn't have been so bad if Wanda just asked Strange and Co. for help dimension hopping and they, knowing what she's after and on the heels of the Spider-Man fiasco, tell her no. So she finds Chavez, who's an amateur and naive enough to be convinced to help sad lady, and calamity ensues. Chavez joins forces with Strange at the last minute to help clean up the mess she and Wanda made. Chavez learns a valuable lesson, Wanda doubles down and continues on the path to full on villainy (this needed more development).
@@jonnyg9865 Yes, you could have had more or less the same kind of movie, but just with all the things we already know is possible in this universe - that would have made more sense, and you wouldn't have had all these unnecessary additions that contradict what the rest of the universe had already established.
Don't forget the M-She-Uish line of all:
"You broke the rules and were a hero. I broke the rules and I'm a villain. That doesn't seem fair."
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to". These franchises do love their own foreshadowing, don't they? :P
That line was only there to show us how the darkhold corrupted her
I forget where this quote is from, probably an Asimov story: "You can't brush money's hair." It was in reference to a woman leaving her well paying job on an asteroid to go back to Earth and have kids.
It should have been called Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Virtue Signaling. America was a crap character played by a lousy actress who is praised by so-called movie critics because she had two “moms”. That was it. That was her entire personality - she’s one of the Lettersalad people, and Disney must signal its Wokeness at all times.
Wanda was fairly cool as a complete and utter murdering psychopath, but it’s impossible to sympathize with a woman who was in love with what really was a super-advanced sex doll. Vision was never human, no matter how human he seemed, and their children were created whole-cloth from her insanity. So how is someone supposed to feel bad for a woman whose mental disabilities should have sentenced her to a lifetime in the Funny Farm?
The first Doctor Strange was way better imho. If you must see this movie then just wait until it’s at Redbox and will only cost you a few bucks.
Lol lettersalad. I like that
In the modern era, the nut-heads run the country and must be portrayed as good.
@@rockinHurley777 Or alphabet soup.
Pretty sure you weren't supposed to feel sympathy for Wanda at any cost in this movie, the movie literally portrays her as a psychopath through and through. As for America Chavez, she did have a personality and the actress played her just fine man.
It wasnt Disney idea the character is from world where only females exist. But whatever. What can I expect from this audience? 🤣🤣🖕
What I don’t like about Wanda’s character is that her powers seem just too vaguely defined. It’s magic so everything is possible. One time she seems to be able to do anything and the next she won’t do something obvious just because of the plot.
Until Wanda’s powers get better defined and follow some simple rules and limitations, anything that has her as a character will either make no sense or be boring.
That’s why I think Wanda is more appropriate as a hero for kids’ movies.
Defined? Wanda is an Omega Level Mutant. Wanda literally almost doesn't have limitations. She's literally wiped mutant's out with her word's just by saying NO MORE MUTANT'S. In the comic's. Just shhh she's way more powerful than Doctor Strange it's not even close.
Dude have you even read the comics? The inconsistency in her powers in the comics is on a totally different level. One issue she’ll basically just be throwing red energy bolts and getting KOd by random villains - next she’ll be changing all of reality.
@@derekfreeman6517 they wasted her character so much. She should have been the next big threat like thanos. It had so mich potential
@@derekfreeman6517 I think that’s exactly the problem: that, as you said, she almost doesn’t have limitations. So, that will make it difficult to write a plot where you don’t ask yourself: why didn’t she just do this or that? I mean, once you’ve seen her doing almost anything, it becomes hard not to think about a million ways that she could handle things and win. So it’s better not to think about it too much and just enjoy the ride, as someone else said. That’s why I think the stuff based on her is better suited for kids who won’t think about things too deeply.
@@garrym5682 I agree with you on the inconsistency. In my opinion that reduces the ability for adults to enjoy a film, because if you think about what you just saw for a fraction of a second, it probably won’t make sense.
For example, being able to remove someone’s mouth with your mind means you’re able to alter people’s bodies. After I saw that happening, it just became impossible not to think why she didn’t just remove Dr. Strange’s hands or a million other things she could’ve done.
As I said in another reply, this is why I think this is more appropriate for kids.
As you can probably tell, I haven’t read any comics.
What bothered me the most about the movie is that there was no character development for the main hero Strange. We didn’t learn anything new that’s significant about him that we could maybe see him embody in the next movie he’s set to appear. It felt more like a scarlet witch movie
Your either lying or just didn’t pay attention strangers ark is to trust others and to learn to get over Christne and become happy
the reaction black captain marvel gave when the two illuminati men got killed is absolutely bizarre. is she smirking? is she saying "ha those white males are dead, lets show wanda how strong we are"? i just dont get it. then they hadalong drawn out fight scene even though they arent as powerful as either reed richards or blackbolt
My god. This guy and his audience really are a bunch of incels 🤦🏽♂️
The fact that they race swapped another character is enough for me to pass on this movie!!!
@@awesomemcawesomeson5138 It’s a different universe and that’s how it is in the comics
@@user-to6fy9of9e don't like it
@@jackielogan9104 she wasn’t even there for that long. and not only that but we still have a white captain marvel so calm down.
And yet it made a good amount of money because of the normies, so to Disney it was a great success.
It's sad that the general public are pretty much a bunch of drooling mouth breathers.
I came out liking it but as it set in I started to realize how dumb the movie was. The only thing maddening was the movie itself. I was so hyped thinking it was going to be so crazy you had to watch it 3 time to understand what’s going on. No it was a simple plot and didn’t really involve the multiverse. This movie sucks
true. most normies dont really look into whats going on on the internet based on these things. they just take what they get and move on.
How do you think we got a barely sentient house plant for president?
Says the incel that hates anything with a woman in it
Normies...must...cooooonsuuuuumee
I’m glad you pointed out the “they get killed in order of their privilege” scene. I rolled my eyes so hard it hurt my brain.
It’s defiantly aligning that old white men are the least privileged of us all
What's does that mean?
@@shakeemdiggz2354 i gess it means that she killed the most privileged first: the white men, then the white woman, and then the black woman
@@ryanpipoo I guess. But Charles was last
@@shakeemdiggz2354 well. He is in a wheelchair
With Heroes Like These, Who Needs Villains???
Thank you for this review. I got high blood pressure when I read the comments from other reviews and videos. For me it was so horrible. Music at the background has nothing to do with the scenes. So confusing I couldn't understand the movie. Prof. Xavier had to face her to control her which he can do it in any other place. It was just horrible they ruined Dr. Strange.
"Not going to blame Sam Raimi." As well, you should not! The moment Disney learned Spider-Man No Way Home was a success they ordered reshoots for not just Multiverse of Madness but Captain Marvel 2 or is it Marvels, whatever, but also Ms. Marvel. What those reshoots were or if they were even necessary? I can only imagine Sam was screaming those two horrible words, "not again!"
You are also right in that this wasn't a proper sequel to Doctor Strange. I waited for years after Mordo performed that magic stealing move on Jon Pangborn for him to declare his war on sorcerers with Strange ready to resist. Instead, it's only mentioned. MENTIONED. So there is a story of Dr. Strange vs Mordo, but apparently, they decided not to make it into a movie.
I'm a Marvel noob. I prefer DC Comics only lately with both entities the comics being as weak as their movies. But ever since I was a kid I loved picking up DC Comics and yet turned on the TV to watch a Marvel show or movie. I saw Marvel Rising only for Gwen Stacy because I loved her in Into the Spider-Verse. And when I saw America Chavez I felt she was boring as hell, a cheap pandering to my skin color. This movie was no different, she was a glorified series of tropes - the MacGuffin, the damsel in distress, to the last minute and nauseating Mary Sue.
From the moment Strange was brought in to attend Christine's wedding I could understand it. Make no mistake I find it wonderful for a man's heart to be trampled with muddy, steel-toed sharp heeled cleats as much as anyone... Sarcasm is clearly intended. And of course, the nasty question, "Are you happy?" The answer to that question is of course a defeating NO. But why lie about it? It would have been disrespectful, it would have cheapened Christine's happy day. He is not happy BUT he is content. He is a superhero and what makes him not just that but a real man is that he does not whine and cry about it. He lives with the pain, and he deals with it, unlike another so-called heroine in this movie. I am, of course, referring to Wanda.
As to the idea of why no Pietro or Vision. My guess is Wanda knows that if she wanted to live in a universe with her children she couldn't afford to have anyone convince her otherwise in that universe. Vision would not want to live with a corrupt version of his wife, his stone would have alerted him to that. Or her brother Pietro who would have known his sister since he was a child. As well as a version of her children without powers, one of whom in her universe had mind-reading powers.
I found the Illuminati thing as mixed bad. Lashana Lynch looked pretty cool as Captain Marvel, with Maria Rambeau instead becoming the character. My guess is both Carol and Maria were chosen to fly the mission with Mar-Vell and they both became Captain Marvel. Although apparently in this universe Carol was killed and immortalized into a statue that kills her friend some time afterward. Inhumans wasn't that great a show but it was nice seeing the return of Anson Mount, I just wish Serinda Swan returned as Medusa. Patrick Stewart was great as Xavier. John Krasinski looked great as Reed Richards. Clearly, it was great seeing Hayley Atwell as Captain Carter. But I'm surprised you didn't mention what was pretty obvious. They superimposed her face on a female body that wasn't hers. She would have had to have been given a real supersoldier serum to have looked all tall and jacked and I checked, it was a stunt double who did Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and Tilda Swinton's Ancient One, both taller than her. At least it was more respectable than her manly appearance in What If and of course, they didn't use a man's body as they did with TaskMistress. Nevertheless, they nerfed all these great heroes in a matter of minutes. I get that Scarlett Witch is one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, but so were many of these characters. It really was embarrassing.
I'm not as critical as you but I am still critical. This movie was embarrassingly woke at times but in my mind, it could have been even worse. Sadly, that is the only good thing to see it.
Thank you! Probably the best review--better than that neckbeard screaming in the video, anyway.
It was just kind of a filler movie...but it did have some fun, when it focused on the character study of Strange. And that was the best part.
Seeing him become less formal and making peace with where he was in life, instead of trying to do all and be all. Being himself. And he was a likeable older brother figure to the forgettable Stargirl sidekick.
I'm looking forward to the next movie, if that make sense. This one seemed to just clean off a lot of baggage and make it fresh.
@@PreferredCustomer Screaming??? His arguments were loud but...Screaming? Seriously?
Man the moment they touch the Multiverses it just messes everything the rules doesnt apply to the other movies it just varies from script to script just like the Characters motivation and the magic in Mcu is just so inconsistent, we have seen better books and shows even movies that follows their own rules of magic...this feels so messy.
Scarlet Witch was sympathetic.. when she "rain of fire" Thanos. Then, they decided to destroy her the same way they did to EVERY character that was established in the MCU. Even if they wanted to turn her evil, the way they did it destroyed the character.
It is a GOT Daenerys in a small scale. Wanda was never a wacko. Back in Ultron she realized Ultron plans were bad and sign up to the Avengers. Later she was crushed by the accident in Nigeria in Civil War. She seemed to be a caring character.
Then, she fought Thanos and afterwards her mind broke so much she suddenly went wacko and enslaved a whole city and did this destruction in this movie? Get out!
Clea is the wife of Strange in the comics and was a sorcerer supreme. You can bet your behind Disney will make her the Sorcerer Supreme in the next movie.
Strange was a guest in his own movie.
Darkhold corrupts minds so her too...
Realistically strange was built that much in the previous movies that showcased him. he was mostly exposition. which was why at the start of the movie he was at the wedding of that girl he never dated.
look in truth he didn't have a strong foundation to lead the movie completely alone. Wanda isn't like other one-note villains, she needed more care than that. it made sense to put these two together. What this movie did do was setup strange for more story arcs to further flesh out his character.
@@FireJach They didn't really emphasize that point. The movie should have been about freeing her from it's clutches. That would have been far more satisfying that the confused trash we got especially that ending. Guess we can't have men rescuing women anymore.🤷🏻
@@jiko26 How much Disney stock do you own?
@@RAZGR1Z lol
Sorry, but how does she get chased through the multiverse by a monster, that does want this specific power? Wouln't it need the ability to travel through the multiverse (aka the one it wants from her) in order to chase her?
Wonder if the writers ever stopped to even think for just a second about their own establsihed rules...
"Writing? What are you, an artist? Do you think we hire on talent or standards?" - Someone in charge at Disney, probably.
The monster didn’t want the power, Wanda did. The power of the dark hold allowed her to project monsters into whatever reality america was in at the time. This monster was different than the one Chasing them at the very beginning of the movie. I feel like you just didn’t pay attention…
Good point.
Maybe Wanda found a monster in that particular universe to catch her?
@@flintybraz1 that’s exactly what happened.
@dan j Creating multiversal portals was always her power
I’ve said it before, but the plot to this movie could have been 5 mins: once he realized AC’s powers could destroy the multiverse, he kills her, ridding the threat of her powers as they go with her, and one life is given to save the masses. The end.
I assume you haven't watched the movie, then. In the opening scene, Dr. Strange tries to kill AC to save the multiverse, and he's portrayed as "evil" for even considering it. The MCU has leaned hard into the nonsensical idea that an individual is just as valuable / important as millions / billions / trillions of lives, and anyone who would even consider killing one person to save millions is a villain. Yes, murdering someone is wrong, but when the options are commit a terrible act and murder a single person, or allow someone else to kill that person so they can also kill millions of other people, there's only one choice...even if making that choice damns you as an individual.
Just call it a late term abortion, feminists wouldve loved it
"Killed in order of privilege." 13:30 I litterally died😂
It would have been a good idea if the kids were real from a different universe and did have some strong connection with Wanda. That way Wanda would have a real reason to traverse the multiverse looking for them. plus have a vision that looking for her as well trying to stop her as his version of her died doing something similar.
Doctor Strange 2 and the whole M-She-U are CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. America Chavez is worthless and disgusting. Boycott this woke trash.
Eh, I don’t agree personally.
I think Wanda was... Aight. Besides being insufferable at best, it got the point to me that she was way off the deep end.
My main issue was following along. Oh my goodness it just bounced far too much for me. One area, to the other in a moment, the next and the next. Barely establishing much while talking a whole ton.
My main grievance is why they killed the Illuminati Strange. He did nothing wrong besides an accident, and even accepted responsibility for it. Yet the Illuminati consisting of two decent people (Mr Fantastic and Charles) just thought it was fair to bump em off?
And the wasted evil strange. Damn that was hurtful.
They are real
@@uajrh1 They mean the kids she made in WandaVision
😐 They are!
"do we need a villain?" - Apparently not in a marvel movie where the female character is supposed to be evil, nope, when that happens it's sympathy time.
Captain Marvel's "villain" was essentially just the device that controlled her powers, which she overcame herself. (You could say it was supposed to be Kree, but that's honestly debatable, they're ambiguous at best)
Black widow had a male villain, but it was a woman who created the serum to brainwash the widows but she helped Natasha so everything's fine and she gets to walk free.
Wandavision - Wanda is overtly a bad person for her actions but "they'll never know what you sacrificed" and she "did the right thing" in the end.
And Multiverse if Madness where after Wanda murders hundreds to thousands it's said AGAIN that she "did the right thing" for destroying the darkhold.
Anytime a female is the supposed antagonist they always have to try to sympathetically justify their actions because in wave 4 marvel men are not allowed to talk down, or rationalize women or physically over power them, the women can only be confronted by other women, or they have to solve what ever problem on their own. (This is on full display for multiverse if madness where only the women are able to throw down on even terms, the message of her kids is attempted by the men but only sinks in when it's herself)
How much proof do normies need to realize that good storytelling and women don't get along?Yes,some women writers are good,but these are the exceptions,not the rule.Most women just want to insert themselves in a setting so they can feel good about themselves.Want perfect examples?Sana Amanat/Kamala Khan and Mariko Tamaki/Nightstar.
@@hebanker3372 That's a pretty extreme stance to take don't you think? If these women writers are on one end of the spectrum, then you're completely on the opposite end by using such blanket statements. Male writers self-insert ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME - gender doesn't matter, it's being good or bad at writing that matters. As it turns out, men AND women can be equally terrible at their jobs, who would've guessed?
@@matthewcarroll2533 If you wanna relate the all-inclusive and noble message "gender doesn't matter", why don't you go and lecture the narcissistic female supremacist self-insert writers? Don't tell us gender doesn't matter, *TELL THEM.* I'm sure they'll embrace your message. Come back and let us know how your lecture was received. 🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of a certain other Wolverine movie where the title character is little more than a rag doll pushed around and used by the real strong characters and exploited as nothing more than a platform for them to jump off of.
Why can't they just make a badass female antagonist like Esdeath? This queen is probably one of the best female antagonists of all time.
The best scene of this movie is, by far, when we see America's two mothers.
That scene was so on the nose, so in your face.... i don't even remember, there was a rainbow behind them, wasn't it... that I completely burst out laughing, in the theater.
Only now has it hit me those were her mothers. I thought one was the mum and the other her aunty.
People can't have two mothers? As long as someone's parents are loving, healthy, and can meet their children's needs, their gender shouldn't matter. Y'all really do the most.
@@tsuumee4545 Civilization is built upon true family values, not your fluoride feelings. Same gender parenting is an abomination
@@tsuumee4545 no, it's because it literally add nothing to the flim. We get it, gay people exist, they can be happy and healthy. Everyone know this, no need to rub it in our face.
It's really unnecessary for that scene because you can put America in a flower field poking a bee ness and get chase buy murderous swamp of angry bee would achieve the same thing. Heck even better cause it's establish her power work on life or death instead of stupid scary tiny bee.
@@tranngockha6562 I also agree that the bee scene was dumb as hell. I was just confused as to why people had to point out the two mothers, of all things.
“Meanwhile, Wong and Wanda go to Wundagore - say that three times fast ”
Holy hell I laughed WAY too hard at this 😂
I am continually amazed (though I ought to be used to it by now) by Marvel's capacity to diminish and demonize its characters, its best artists, its original writers, its (now former) audience, its critics (Who used to be fans. See how that works?), and itself.
It's all for the "greater good". They burn it in sacrifice to their god "Wokeness". Nothing else matters, including Disney's plummeting stock prices. Hope it was worth it assholes?!
Another piece of 💩💩💩movie from hollyweard. 😀😃😀😃😂
It amazes me how hard you incels try to hate on movies that the majority of people enjoy just because you want to be different
Still making hundreds of millions of dollars per movie so why would they give a f*** about wat ur talking about.
That's actually Disney not Marvel. Disney calls the shots and makes the decisions and quite possibly even tells the writers what to write.
I really think it is sad that they went ahead and ruined more characters that were actually interesting. Strange is now a gullible dumb guy and Wanda... I think crazy psychopath might be a good description, but she is still a hero or something. Odd how that works.
But in the end, I didn`t expect anything. And I don`t expect any other movies that come out to be worth my time.
Wanda us definitely *not* a hero. Strange went to her at the beginning, thinking she had gotten over her mental issues and remembering the good times they had fought together on the right side.
He showed compassion as a human being....and had no idea she had already found the Book of Vile Darkness.
Even then, Wanda made it pretty clear she was not trying to go instant evil mode right away unless she didn't get what she wanted. It was more an eroding of her humanity and soul, justifying horrible actions in the name of the happy image she wanted in her head
Doctor strange 2 should have been with mordo as a villain searching the multiverse for abusers of magic and killing them, meanwhile causing damage to other universes And in the process Wanda gets in the middle and tempted by him with the promise of seeing her kids again. And from there you can do anything with the story. The darkhold shouldn't have been such a big thing, they had to save it for the Scarlett witch solo film or something. That would have been an amazing doctor strange sequel. And as much as i loved seeing wanda having technicaly her own solo film they did so kuch disservice to her. Instead of readiming her from her faults in wandavision they destroyed her character completely.
I dont understand it. I really don’t. Why would you go through with a HUGE fan requested casting choice, Jon Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic, only to destroy him instantly. That is something people wanted for years. It finally happened and its not in the upcoming fantastic four movie, its instead a 4min cameo that ends with him being pulled apart, screaming in agony and dies.
Yeah THATS what those fans wanted
He’ll be back at some point I bet cause multiverse and all that. They just better not recast him because we didn’t even see him do shit in this movie.
I still liked it and he could still be part of the MCU. Also you can literally say the same thing for Black Bolt and Professor Xavier.
Exposition in a comic book movie always says 2 things:
1. We went waaaaaaaaay off script so we are telling the actual fans all the stuff we changed.
2. We understand that the new fans we want to draw in are kind of stupid so we will frequently pause to explain everything for you delightful little dummies.
Its like they have hatred and contempt for both the old and new fans.
Woke and feminists hate everything and everyone. Woke and feminists are in charge of Disney and the writing. If the movies feel like they hate the fans/just don't care it's because the writers feel that way.
The Illuminati section of this film highlights the problem I have with alternative version stories in general. Both in the comics and in the recent What If show; the alternative versions are all invariably stupid in their decision making and weakened when compared to the original, to the point they could never have been superheroes in the first place.
It’s almost like not every reality has them making the best decisions. The comic books already did those timelines.
im kinda upset they used something as shit as a mcguffin to make scarlet witch evil and relegated doctor strange to parenting for a diversity main character, he also seemed more incompetent and weaker than he has been, i always saw him as the strongest avenger
See, that's exactly what I was thinking. When Raimi lets his movie staples shine in Doctor Strange, they're great. But when he's gotta put in the studio execs' mandated ideas and scenes, it looks painful.
I'm just glad I'm not the only one tired of people woke-washing good, established franchises i.e. Dr who, he-man, batman, resident evil, and more 🙄
How tf was the Batman woke
@@thelakeman. when it fit a woman
@@thelakeman. because a woman was in it.
Comic book movies need to be total sausage fests in order for these idiots to finally stop crying about “woke” bs lol
@@milordo that was batwoman not batman lol
@@talentroller4413 which came from the batman franchise 🙄
I'm asking to Wanda fans, why Wanda had to physically fight Carter? Couldn't she just transform her into spaghetti too?
I really didn't get what Wanda's powers are and how they works
I agree with you, I love Scarlet Witch even though she's a villain now...there was absolutely no reason for Wanda taking less time in killing Carter...i think hand to hand combat is Wanda's weakness but she couldve easily altered reality at that point.
@@riyachauhan2003same. Wanda’s badass in this film, but fr could’ve took less time to kill Peggy.!
The MCU is showing that you either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. Nothing in Phase 4 has any continuity or cohesion. You can't have Endgame and then act like none of those characters know each other. Or they are in separate universes. And its clear that they are scrapping great comic book stories for newer ones that care less about traditional characters and good stories for ones that promote ThE mEsSaGe
Yeah that's all that matters to Marvel...sad to see politics spill into every movie they crap out lately
Let's not undersell the fact that the "creatives" at Marvel wants us to get excited for Secret Wars(2015 version) down the road and honestly....this movie does not create confidence.
I seriously don't get why Marvel has a following after Endgame. Endgame, like cpt marvel, started forcing woke garbage and was when the writing became too fast paced/nonsensical in my opinion. It was tolerable in Endgame, but i knew it would go downhill from there. And i was right, literally every disney mcu product after Endgame is complete dogshit.
@@AImighty_Loaf Excluding No Way Home of course. Since that was a majority Sony thing.
@@lastrexxii7509 sure. i could still rip into the nostalgia bait and boring story of that movie regardless if it's Disney fault.
With the announcement that Victoria Alonso has been given more responsibilities at Marvel I'm done!
I think there's a really sinister motivation at Disney. It feels like they are happy to accept massive losses at the box office in order to march on bastardizing and killing off all the beloved Marvel characters until none are left. Feels like that's the end game. The ultimate middle fingers to the fans.
I honestly think DC handles there female characters and “wokeness” so much better than marvel
Because Marvel throws it in more as pandering than wanting to give it serious (not superficial) consideration.
They want to have their cake and eat it, too. Give themselves credit for dipping their toe in the water, but not jump in all the way.
Does DC even have female characters in live action except wonder woman?
@@oluwadamilola6233 technically they had tv shows like supergirl and batwoman
@@PreferredCustomer If that was dipping their toe into wokeness then I sure as shit dont want to see them fully commit. They dont even try to be subtle with it, it was literally every 10 mins and I physically cringed a dozen different times.
@@oluwadamilola6233 They don't because they know they don't have a female audience and their male audience is afraid of women.
This movie proves that we need to scrap the MCU formula. You can tell in specific parts of the movie that they let Raimi do his own thing, and those were the best parts. Character arcs and overall storytelling is being pulled down by that PG-13 rating. If they made this movie R rated, I can already imagine it could’ve been 10x better
You should check out the animated movie "Constatine: The House of Mystery". It's like a darker version of Dr. Strange.
@@nerychristian DC in general has done a better job than Marvel. Their movies have such a better feel to them.
@@michaelrendler3703 The most recent ones.
@@michaelrendler3703 they just need better management, WB is such a shitshow rn
@@nerychristian Is that the one where Constantine's experience inside the House gets reset every time he dies, with his friends turning into demons and killing him in rather gory ways? Rather short movie, I seem to recall?
"...and then they get killed in order of privilege..."
I fucking died! 😂
So it's official, this movie is a comedy because of stupid!?
Not gonna lie, as dorky as emo-Peter was, that line "look at little Goblin Jr...you gonna cry?" was legit pretty good. It was the only badass thing he said followed by the only badass thing he did when he thwipped a bomb on Franco's pretty little face
Him exposing Eddie was pretty badass too
Spiderman 3 is a classic at this point imo. the memes have only worked in its favour. the re-watch value of the raimi trilogy is super high.
Always loved that part of the movie. People forget--that was the result of the symbiote bringing out the darker side and desires of its host.
It went to show how good of a person Peter mostly was, when his darker self just wanted to be sarcastic and "cool" (in his own mind). Getting to finally taunt others like they did to him.
The Sandman stuff was perfect
His dance moves were badass
SPOILERS, but I laughed the hardest at America Chavez’s loss of parents because of a bee 😂
So Wanda’s whole motivation for chasing Chavez was so she could have her power to go to other dimensions even though Wanda could dream walk to go to other dimensions?
The entire plot of this movie makes no sense.
Dreamwalking is only temporary while you hijack another's body, it has its limits. Chavez's power would bring her there in person permanently.
Suspension of disbelief you are watching a marvel film
@@WhatisReal11 yeah, but suspension of disbelief can only take you so far.
@@WhatisReal11 Drean walking is temporary, bruh
Her power to warp reality is redundant if she needs a mcguffin girls power
That has got to be the worst writing of all time. WTF happened to the MCU? wow, they just arnt even trying one little bit now. KarenVision and the Multiverse of Managers
It’s sad because this movie was one of two projects that I was looking forward to but it sounds like it suffers from the same issues that have been plaguing the comics and other MCU projects; bad writing & studio interference. Raimi bares some of the blame for not standing up for some creative autonomy. I wish he would’ve taken a page from Derrickson & walked. The lion’s share for this convoluted mess goes to Kevin Feige with the help of Victoria Alonso (aka KK 2.0 or Sana Anamat waiting to happen). Together they’re making the same bone headed mistakes that KK has made with SW; tearing down what went before it. Rather than building upon the foundation. They’re purposely building a crooked house.
Walk away from p3d0wood and don't look back.
@@RAZGR1Z man your crazy
maybe see it for urself instead of believing a bunch of grifters on the internet.
It was actually a fun film. Really enjoyed it. Go see it for yourself instead of listening to these manufactured TH-cam videos
@@BowmansWorld I glad you enjoyed the film. But, I've seen enough Phase 4. Disney/Marvel doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
They really did Doctor Strange dirty in What If season 2, he was literally the villain. Post Endgame was really the death of the MCU, as it's now the M-She-U.
I saw this movie Monday and completely forgot about it by Tuesday. The two things that stuck out to me besides the Mary Sue America Chavez was 1) The constant need to try to make the audience feel bad for Wanda as if she didn’t enslave an entire town months ago. I have no sympathy for the clear VILLAIN stop trying to force me to have some with this fake depth narrative and 2) The way Wanda killed the Illuminati was practically infuriating. She was able to blink away Black Bolt’s mouth but allowed Captain Carter to full on charge her with her shield and make contact lmao more identify/gender politics
Just saw the movie and wasn't impressed at all. No part got me wowed. I loved Dr. Strange 1 but this was a mess. The story was all over the place. Dr. Strange wasn't that impressive at all. Very disappointed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; I haven't seen a single Marvel product after Endgame, and it looks like I made the right choice. Thanks Gary, Critical Drinker, and other Fandom content producers for showing me that I missed nothing!
BTW - I was a HUGE comic book and sci-fi fantasy fan stemming back from the late 70s. I saw what happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc, and knew it was only a matter of time until the Marvel Universe met a similar fate.
To be fair, No Way Home was an enjoyable film. Nothing ground-breaking, but at least you can watch it without wanting to punch someone out of frustration.
@@Izelor story was so mid, the cameos saved that film
@@Izelor lol
In other words, you have no opinion of your own.
@@Izelor no way home was mediocre. story was literally "everybody knows my identity and now supervillains are here, time to fight em with my friends and spidermen and make them forget my identity!!"
What’s the point of him doing reviews if he just says the same thing every time? Seems rather pointless
I feel like the creative teams behind Disney prioritizes two things.
1) The message (intersectional feminism, Sexual Deviancy, Critical Race Theory, etc)
2) Visual imagery
It's like they start with some kind of message they want to tell. Then the creative team at Marvel makes a bunch artistic images for scenes that have no context but look cool. Then they try to fit them together with some kind plot that hits the message at the end. During the process, they have rules like "don't let women fail" or "make sure men act as cowardly as possible" or "bring up racism." The thing is that they've gotten much lazier about how they connect their plot points lately, so they just deprioritize being consistent or even fulfilling their setups and payoffs.
Or, maybe people are just looking to hard for those things and are ruining the movie for themselves.
@@tomcat3900 people are trying to understand why they don't like certain movies. In general, if you watch a movie and don't like it, you want to know why you don't like it. So you analyze it. Once you analyze it, you can see patterns more easily in other movies. It's not so much that the things I've listed exist in movies, it's that people making movies have them as such a high priority that they neglect making good stories that have a decent amount of consistency and sympathetic characters. The things that make movies compelling are just low on their list of priorities. It's what I've noticed. I probably wouldn't have analyzed these movies if they hadn't kept releasing movies that I didn't like over and over while patting themselves on the back for implanting their political ideas in everything they make.
@@FirstSkilletFan right but everything you mentioned wasn't in this movie at all so you're just stupid and complaining just to complain when none of these problems existed in this movie Wanda was literally the bad guy and made her character flawed if anything strange was a less flawed character and strange literally saved the girl multiple times so tell me where was this message you speak of?
Hit the nail on the head.
It is all the more disappointing how many viewers there are that still haven't caught on to this.
Marvel is destroying w h at they built for 10 years with this current phase of films and TV shows. With the exception of No way home the climaxes of these projects have been underwhelming and don't build up the next story because they dint really connect like they use to. Also, Dr. Strange shoukd have been on a quest to regain his spot as top dog while beating Mordos ass because he killed fellow sorcerers. Nope instead we got Wanda and her grief again.
Well, this justifies my decision not to see the film. In my opinion the first Doctor Strange film proved the character could stand on his own and should have had his own run separate from the MCU. This just shows how absolutely garbage the post-Endgame phase is.
LOLOL Gary doesn’t get clicks by being positive. Or honest.
Don't see it.
i think that strange was a good main character to intreduce because he got a good backstory but what next? making him just fight random wierd things would make the movie average which is why his character worked better as a cameo in different movies however i don't think it was a good idea to overshadow him in his own movie either.
@@thephoenix4093 He wasn't overshadowed at all. That's just become the trendy thing to say about every random show or movie.
@@TheaterPup Wanda and "the girl" had literally better character arc than strange who was involved as nothing but a witness to everything.
"That's what happens when there isn't a man around." I laughed so Darn hard.
I know a real life Marvel Stan(never knew they actually existed where I live, but the more you know and live) who, when I brought up the recent arrest of the Doctor Who actress and her husband relating to what they did and about the media coverage, the first thing he immediately said was that it was a ploy to bring down the new Doctor Strange movie. Let that sink in.
I think that pretty much covers what I think about Marvel and their fans.
I feel like this could've been stretched out to multiple movies. Scarlet Witch could be the next huge villain if they LET HER BE EVIL! It started with WandaVision, yes, but they still had a chance to show her becoming so utterly twisted and insane that they WOULD have an excuse to make it the next big Marvel crossover event. A fight between a pre-NoWayHome Doctor Strange and a barbaric Scarlet Witch would be chaotic but potentially epic. I especially hate the fact that Wanda just collapses a building on herself. From a character perspective, she hasn't had to pay for any of her crimes since that jail scene in CA: Civil War
Absolutely correct.