It was really cool when America is told to urgently cover all the reflections in the room and she starts covering puddles but then stops to look really closely at a puddle.
It's like they forgot that their eyes are equally reflective surfaces too... could you imagine THAT scene? Scarlett Witch crawling out of one of their eyeballs?
Similarly to how they’re all running from her in the sewers, Wanda blasting every door that gets in her way…until they decide to all stop after a random door shuts and wait just so she can pop out and fear flash us. Or what about when they leave the door open to the book dimension room and chill out to chat until Wanda can catch up. Or what about when the Illuminati treat Wanda like a turned based RPG boss and take turns fighting her instead of fighting like….you know…a team. I think the real theme of this movie is learning the importance of urgency.
@@happybirthdaypaulie8584 TBF, not at all absolving this film of the sin, but this is a pretty common thing that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel like I see this "Stand around mouth agape" reaction shot so many times when the in universe character could have been taking any form of action and if makes me want to off myself.
Wasn't the entire third act of Strange's debut film about him willingly putting himself in a neverending death loop all for the sake of protecting reality from an eldritch god? That seems like the exact opposite of everything Wanda's been doing post-Endgame.
This comment is exactly why Wanda’s complaint that Strange’s breaking the rules makes him a hero, and hers a villain, makes me just…dislike her so much. Her arguments don’t actually add up and are just immature, posing as deep thought.
The scene where she says Strange shouldn’t talk to her about sacrifice blew my mind because this man has literally died more than anyone ever will to protect the world.
I am surprised no one mentioned the "You can do it" monologue at the end when Strange says the magic word "you can do it" to Bolivia Chavez and suddenly Puerto Rico Chavez can control her powers.
Wanda went full Abby in this movie. She straight up asks Reed Richards, "Is your wife still alive?" "Yes, she is." "Good. Then your children will have someone to raise them." Then she violently murders the guy. Am I, at any point forward, supposed to feel any sort of empathy for her? That's so fucking dark.
Yeah the fact the MCU keeps expecting us to treat her like a hero after Wanda vision and... Whatever the fuck this movie was for her, it's trully stupid
NO, YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FEEL EMPATHY FOR HER. THAT'S THE FUCKING TWIST IN HER SELF-JUDGEMENT IN THE END WHEN SHE REALIZES SHE'D GONE FULL KUJO. Christ, did any of you watch the end of the movie?
The Abby comparison is very valid. They seem to make out as if she is a relatable villain but I just wanted the characters to kick her obnoxious face in. I was annoyed that in the end she ended up killing herself. What a dreadfully written OP character.
What makes me upset is how much they held back strange. Strange in infinity war in my opinion was the best strange we ever got. In infinity he turned a black hole into butterflys, summoned multiple copies of himself, and learned multiple possible paths that lead to their victory. But in here the only thing that was even close to that was when he was playing battle of the bands with himself. The rest was just him running and getting his butt tossed around.
My biggest issue with the movie was the “Believe in yourself” ending and then trying to make it seem like whatever Wanda did wasn’t that bad and she “fixed it” in the end. She legit murdered several people in this movie. For no reason.
"My villain is not really a 'bad guy', just 'Part of the conversation'" - Michael B. Jordan on his villain 'KILL'Monger. 😂 Bad guy sympathizing is becoming a normal thing.
@@warframehunter7298 Boring. Bossfights in the MCU have become so lame. This was way better. Not that she redeemed herself, but it was like "dude, fckng understand!!!!" And she understood. Fucking marvel fans just want the same old repeated bullshit formula and I'm tired of that shit
moreover, after scarlett bitch hearing "know that they'll be loved" she goes back to default settings lol, like before becoming a genocidal monster did she not know that those boys are going to be loved? like WTF?
It didn't occur to me until just before I'm posting this, but both Wanda & alt-Wanda are mutants (which is where their powers came from), their powers are the same, & since their powers are the same, that means that they had the same parents (alt versions of them in alt-Wanda's case, but otherwise the same). Therefore, it would've been cool to see alt-Magneto show up (or at least be mentioned) at some point.
I loved how they introduced reed richards as the smartest man in the universe then he immediately tells wanda how black bolt can kill her in a word instead of just letting black bolt kill her in a word.
The wanda in there universe is not a big deal. If you remember Age of Altron all she can do is throw objects around. He did not know she had the power to erase someone's mouth. Even when their strange had the darkhold he was not that powerful.
The Illuminati were portrayed accurately because in this universe, everyone in the Illuminati, including Richards, are very arrogant, egotistical. It's basically the "ego-maniacal superhero group" universe. Their personalities are different in each universe. But, with that said, even then, your point makes it pretty funny that he is the smartest man in that universe and still tells her that anyway. Goes to show, with anyone, arrogance is one's downfall.
This is why for all its faults, DC’s approach of letting Directors make the films they wanted had a benefit. When Marvel is good they are good. When it sucks, it sucks. With D.C., you have to take each film as it’s own thing.
@@stefanm2731 I mean, Reed and Charles came off as more reasonable and good natured but still overconfident in their own ability. Meanwhile, Capt Marvel and Carter were just as cocky as the guys but they were much more stand-off and condescending. That said, that 'battle' was unnecessary. What stopped Wanda from, I dunno, force choke the fuck out of Captain Carter with her magic? It didn't stop her from killing Black Bolt (who was vastly powerful that Carter) and Reed by overwhelming them with powerful magic from the get go.
Ahh yes, despite everything, they cannot overcome the most powerful entity in all of story writing: The Plot and all its other incarnations such as Plot Armor and Plot Device.
Yeah of all the MCU versions of comics characters (*cough* Carol Danvers *cough*), Wanda bugs me the least. She was always unstable and always had plot-driver level powers. I'm all-the-way done with the Marvels et al, but I was fine with Wanda here.
Several times in Phase 4, the writers expect the audience to sympathize for characters that are morally corrupt. It is weird how consistently out of touch they are.
Its because the writers are morally corrupt and think they're the real good guys. You really have to be a POS to think wanda did nothing wrong at all in wandavision.
They are called antiheroes for a reason, and they aren't something new. You don't need to s ympathize with a character to enjoy a movie. But this one sucked.
Wandavision seems to be afraid to define Wanda as a villain and creates a subplot to say that she saved that entire population and that made up for all the brainwashing she did. it's horrible
I like how she basically disintegrates the two men but then there has to be an actual fight for the women. I feel like they're trying to tell me something...
Maybe because big cinema corporations such as Marvel's portrayal of "gender equality" is men are complete useless beings because women can do everything men can do and possibly do it better? Who knows!
Female supremacy undertones, also added to the fact how she straight up mocked the father (mr fantastic) by saying that at least they’ll still have someone to take care of them after she asked where his kid’s mom was. Implying that the father isn’t needed to take care of kids and raise them cause “mom knows best”
“They will never know what you’ve sacrificed for them Wanda.” -Monica Rambo It’s good to know that the MCU continues to pretend that Wanda did nothing wrong in WandaVision, which causes that line to become even more dreadful due to her actions throughout this film.
It's even funnier thanks to this movie since Wanda actively possesses other Wandas [ruining her own life in other universes], forces them to murder people and flatout slaughtered the Iluminati. I guess all she did was also fine.
For me, the most disappointing part was the defense of the Kharmitaj. Like we have wizards from every part of the country gathered up, and what magic do they use? Bows and Arrows apparently. And Strange was even shitting on Hawkeye in the previous scene, like did no one realise the irony? Imagine what sorts of cooler defenses and magic they could have employed to be used if needed… and especially Wong, the actual Sorcerer Supreme being treated like a ragdoll throughout the whole film, Strange can summon Hydras from his hands and Wong just… throws knives I guess.
I guess that's what the ancient one meant when she said "strange is the best of us" (sorcerer supremes) :lul, and kharmitaj and every sorcerer got nerfed after stranges death (and didn't power up when he came back), makes sense
what drives me crazy if those portals are perfect cutting tools, and they used them a grand total of one time for that purpose and not even on purpose. Thanos could have been cut in half in 2 seconds when they were doing the gang up on Titan.
I'd be okay with it if they were shown to actually be effective thanks to magic: instead Wanda somehow gets a direct hit from a cannon and somehow isn't scattered across the battlefield. It was also just lame that Wanda was able to power through the defenses with absolutely no strategy or preparation. Have her attack it backed by demons she's been bringing in from other worlds instead: imply that she wouldn't have a chance on her own, but she's been tireless and completely unethical in preparing for this, and give us a good battle scene. But magic just does literally whatever the plot demands in this movie, with extremely useful spells being done once and never again.
I was screaming internally during the movie, "Just find her a reality where her kids have no Wanda, easy" I'm glad you had the same thought Mr. Drinker, thanks for the video as always
Unless she uses Chavez's power, she can only dreamwalk into realities that have a living wanda. As drinker mentioned, she could have just asked nicely and I'm sure Chavez would have obliged. By this point though, her mind is captured by the darkhold so the thought probably didn't occur to her.
@@halohunter111 And isn't that just convenient? Her entire character was butchered just for a bit of flashy noise for 2 hours. All of her complexity is waved away with a magic book so she can become a slasher villain with a one-dimensional "sympathetic" goal.
@@brycebitetti1402 You obviously dont know Wanda or what she represents in the comics or in the cartoons! Hell not even Dinker and it's laughable! The movie made sense yall just slow! 😂😂😂🤣
I find it disappointing how Wanda is billed as having these mega reality altering powers but we only see them once in this movie (when she takes away that guy's mouth). The rest of the movie it's just her throwing red magic at everything.
@Fenrir uh… teleporting in there and not seeing her go in IS sneaking. Also the point was they were in a dead end and she knew they were waiting there behind the door. I do agree she could’ve kept busting through the doors but then we wouldn’t get that cool witch shot
@Fenrir yeah that I agree, besides she’s so powerful to instantly kill 2 of the Illuminati members but just decides to fuck around with strange?? Like bruh half the the time Doctor Strange gets away from Wanda on some bs. But also uh turning off my brain? No I just like to watch a fun horror movie and it doesn’t have to be serious. It’s not like another infinity war/endgame or no way home. Doctor Strange 2 is supposed to be the beginning of this story marvel is doing, of the multiverse going to shit. And me personally and a lot of people I know enjoyed it. It’s a damn MCU horror movie… when have we gotten that before? A lot of people are just disappointed because their expectations weren’t met. While other people have actual reasons. Sam Raimi has been known to be corny, and there was a lot of corny dialogue and scenes. And also some of the directional approach from Sam raimi are inspired from 90s witchcraft movies which can be seen as outdated but I personally enjoyed it. I know some people didn’t and that’s fine but now people are just finding any way to shit on it.
My only issue with the film was the whole "Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat" claim. I was hoping this would lead to some kind of epic encounter with a really powerful evil Strange. Instead, we get third-eye introvert Strange who gets impaled on a fence.
It's the whole fuTurE is FeMAlE agenda by Marvel one could expect more Marvel where in men= weak, incompetent losers or just evil bad guys women= strong, powerful, OP characters who are always right and reasonable
"Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat", and we watched Scarlet was kicking his ass the whole movie, yet get lost by the power of believe in yourself bs. Feel like DR Strange is the side character in every movie that he was in.
I've never really understood why some people defend Wanda so much. Like with WandaVision, they always use the excuse 'She was grieving' when she took an entire town hostage and defend her actions to the hilt. But in Hawkeye, where Clint is trying to atone for his mistakes and spend time with his family for Christmas, people say 'This is all your fault, just because you lost your family doesn't give you the right to go around murdering people. Others lost their family too!'. Couldn't the same argument apply? Is there something I'm missing?
Because she is a strong, independent woman who is damaged from the inside, please have some sympathy for her, she has lost everything and is the most broken character in the MCU right now🤣🤣
Yeah. Same people defending the red witch that rationalised the dragon mother woman burning an entire city to the ground with its population in game of thrones.
I'm starting to think the multiverse was a big mistake to bring into the MCU. Limitless possibilities are pretty insignificant in the long run considering we can only see one of those.
Before the multiverse, the MCU had at least some form of order or structure, but it kinda feels like with all these different universes and timelines they can literally pull anything they want without needing to explain it.
Also because in the end only one really matters. Not only in a story standpoint, but also from the audience's. Like sure is cool to see random bullshit dimension from time to time, but noone is going to chose the copies over the ogs. In spiderman it only worked because the other spiderman didn't exist for the multiverse, they were created as something separated and then got the chance to be integrated. Now is just going to be random shit created to impress the audience or the agenda and not to improve the story, like with an indian spiderman
The multiverse in general has been a big mistake for Marvel since the 90s Deaths pretty much mean nothing when you can bring that person from other world
When you watch Doctor Strange fights from other films, and then watch him fight Wanda, it really comes off like he just forgets most of his abilities. Seriously, why was he nerfed so bad here?
because stupid unstopable horror wanda aspect. this is why you dont mix horror and comci book movie or otherwise everybody except villain has to be nerfed. Of course that completely does not absolve creators because they could still have action better despite being horro like Aliens for example.
Strange definitely peeked at Infinity War. The creativity in his magical abilities and what he can do has been lost since then, and we only got a couple of little bits of that here.
I remember hearing that Olsen wanted this to be her last MCU film. I guessing that talk happened right before writing and Disney just said, "Sure, but your character's going out like a psycho." - I'm honestly afraid of how bad MCU films are going to get now before Disney realizes that they should have pulled the plug after Endgame and gone out on that high note
I do agree. With Endgame, at least they had a clear concise goal to work towards, with movies coming out that told individual stories but still allowing them to build to that movie. A few weren't really needed in the grand scheme of things, but at least they had somewhere to go with it all. Now in the post endgame Marvel Universe, they're just making shit without a really clear endgame. Hell, in the early MCU we knew pretty early on that Thanos was going to be a thing and part of the reason he worked so well is we had a little under a decade of buildup leading to him. Now it's like they only make product for the sole purpose of advertising even more product. The frames there, but the soul of what made it work in the first place is missing.
This is Disney, the beast does not understand ‘ending’ something they can continuously use even if that IP has been killed off and lurched back from the grave a few times
@pb.j I HOPE that after the backlash over "The little (Wakanden) mermaid" & "Snow Brown", Disney will rethink their agendas. But I doubt it. Disney probably will keep up their "torch the past" agenda until they bankrupt themselves.
To be fair, I'd rather she embrace her powers and go insane instead of having her head patted and being relieved her consequences. Like a lot of Wanda stans seems to still be doing. Lol
Generally her choices, although bad, are really understandable. She has very good motives for doing what she is doing. But that's not enough to justify her because these good motives are actually good... for the villain. Like with Thanos when we could understand why he did what he did but still knew it was horrible. It's because understandable motives are for villains. Heroes are the ones who choose to sacrifice himself DESPITE the fact that they don't have to. That's why Avengers were heroes - Strange never had to day countless times (we don't know how much it was. I could be 10 times, it could be 10 mln times). Cpt. America never had to sink himself into the ocean. Stark never had to snap... So in the end I think that Wanda is pretty well written character... but as a villain. So as long as she is evil she does great job. What's wrong is that everyone tries to justify her and make her a hero while she is a great example that being a hero takes much more than having super powers. If they wanted a redemption for her it couldn't be in the blink of an eye. Just like with Loki who at first was only a great villain with understandable motives and only in the end he redeem himself by giving his live for a greater purpose.
@@tailedgates9 That's my issue, I WANT her to be some kind of villain protagonist who isn't afraid of staring at the abyss and not caring how people perceive her. Think about "Joker", the MCU would NEVER dare make a film like that, instead we should see Wanda as noble because she let go of human lives that didn't belong to her, and now as an excuse for her brutal actions in Multiverse of Madness "Uuuuh... It's an evil book that made me do it!" FUCK OFF, FILM!
So I'm not crazy. People have traveled through the multiverse before, but they need this girl to do it now for some reason. Also, given everything Wanda is shown to be capable of, I find it hard to believe dimension hoping is the one thing she can't do.
Well to be honest, they broke the MCU with the Avengers Infinity movies. They introduced way too much stuff way too fast for its own good. 1- Time travel 2- Cosmic beings with no limitations with no actual context or small fish - big fish power checks 3- Multiverse/Alternate realities 4- Power creep and no actual balance from 1 character to another. If they really wanted to do Infinity war they should have just followed the Comic instead of making up BS and basically backing themselves up in a corner with the characters, there is a reason why all that stuff was introduced in specific series at different times in stages. It also doesn't help the garbage woke BS they keep trying to nonsensically throw into these movies.
I had hope for a great Doctor Strange movie that focuses on Doctor Strange, and some cool complex and smart extra-dimensional villain - because that's his job. He gave me a Sherlock Holmes of the MCU-vibe, with all his books and artifacts, his thinking everything through and seriously trying to outwit extremely intelligent beings above human comprehension - but none of that happened here. This was just "running after delusional insane narcissistic antisocial magic woman". There was nothing smart in this movie, and that it even dared to try to make me sympathize with this deluded unempathetic wretch is insulting to boot.
My favourite part of the movie is when her two moms got sucked through the portal. For whatever reason that was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while and it made me almost choke on my popcorn.
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 OMG you are probably right. I'd like to see what they do with the Chinese version. I wonder if this is why they made Wong the Sorcerer Supreme, to please the Asians?
America Chavez was the definition of a MacGuffin: 'an object, event, or character in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion despite usually lacking intrinsic importance.'
It was the dark hold.... That's what it has always done in the comics. She probably had the thought and left it at that but the book corrupted her and made her act on it
@@onouphrios it happened off screen because… we found out at the exact moment that Dr. Strange did. We weren’t supposed to have all the context. We found out when we did to show that she was already too far gone after reading the dark hold before she could’ve been talked down. And plus the end of WandaVision already showed enough. It’s only as bad as how you interpret it. It unfolding as what people consider “good writing” every time is what makes cliches
I still believe Agatha Harkness would have made a far more plausible, believable, and threatening villain than Wanda for this movie, especially given the writers clearly did not want to fully commit Wanda into a "villain" role.
Yeah but they used Wanda to get people to see a Wanda movie. Unfortunately since endgame MCU largely relies on cameos to get people to see the less popular movies
@@shuttittuppitt9355 There could have been way many more plausible motivations other than children. Truth is, the way they approached the children angle in the movie was rather inconsistent and varied slightly from scene to scene, so they didn't even use that plot point all that well in the end.
Well...problem is, Wanda is one of the most broken Marvel characters. Her magic IS way off the charts and has no real limits iirc (House of M being the best example), which is why her skills are like a child's toy abilities: she will just add more and more to fit the situation. That's a big problem for the people making the movie. But indeed, she's being mishandled badly. Same for Doctor Weird, who seems like he lost some braincells after Infinity War.
Superman reminds me, marvel now has a superman problem. Wanda is so messed up powerful that she's superman now. Killing her off is the best solution right now but if she survives, I don't know what sort of paths the writers will take her (Hopefully House of M)
I really preferred Wanda when she could manipulate probability - that was an interesting power. Now she's one more character who can do anything and lacks any sort of wisdom, foresight or emotional intelligence. If they were going for a female superhero here, they only created a supervillain and lack the consciousness to recognize it. I don't recognize this Scarlet Witch that bears the name of the older more interesting character. If they wanted to pander to the folks who still claim that any extraordinary power comes from demons they're on their way.
to me a character that has "no real limits" to his power is just a death sentence for any meaningful story. Yeah it's cool visually to make such a character, but in the end you end up wondering...well if he/she can do anything, then why don't she does X-Y from the start. And this...makes the whole story uninteresting.
"I'm not a monster; I'm a mother" - the most offensive line of dialogue in all of cinema history. Anyone associated with this terrible travesty of a film should hang their heads in shame. Same problems as Wandavision times by infinity. Phase Four showrunners seem incapable of learning from their horrendous mistakes.
I mean , she’s evil- that’s her mindset- I’m pretty sure that’s what the writers were tryna portray. She feels like she’s justified because she’s a mother and she’s do anything for her kids. Like people are upset at her lines , but she’s a villain and she thinks she’s right , so her dialogue is gonna be crazy shit like that.
@@zissler1 "I think World War 2 just started!" Josh Hartnett, Pearl Harbor "I live my life a quarter mile at a time" Vin Diesel, The Fast and the Furious Anakin Skywalkers' stuff about Sand. "I'm not a hero, I'm a drifter with nothing to lose" Tom Cruise, Jack Reacher. ""MARTHA"! Henry Cavill, Batman v Superman "Trick or Treat, motherf***er!" Busta Rhymes, Halloween Resurrection I can keep going.
@@ShadowSonic2 Ok, myabe not the most intelligent, and I would still say none of them top that quote still, but let's say for argument's sake they do. They aren't both stupid and morally inexcusable, parading as a line that seeks to justify her in the movie.
If the “good book” give you anything you want, why didn’t Wanda just grab it when she had multiple opportunities and just give herself the power to travel the multiverse? Or use it to just give herself real kids?
After WandaVision I thought they were going for a more anti-hero approach for Wanda as she doesn't act like a villain or hero (or vice versa: she acts a little bit like both). Some of the greatest characters in superhero writing are anti-heroes (Deadpool, Moon Knight in the comics, etc) and their complex/gray-area moralities just makes them that much more interesting. But then MoM happened and turned her into a villain who kills left and right but wait she's doing it for her kids so she's a "complex and sympathetic" villain! All that character development and for what? Why didn't you build on that, why make her another 1 dimensional character no one gives a rat's ass about?
You’re not supposed to empathize with her in this film. That ship sailed in WandaVision. I thought the ending made the fact that she was a monster pretty clear when her kids were scared shitless by the sight of her.
@@lep2525 we were supposed to feel empathy for her. Nobody ever blames her for her actions and are always telling us about her sacrifice. Doctor strange 2.0 parrotted it the entire movie . 2.0 because he clearly isn't the doctor strange I remember before no way home.
Reed Richards: hands down genius level intellect, probably most brilliant and strategic mind in the whole Marvel lore Also Reed Richards: GO GO STRETCHY ARMS AND HOPE FOR THE BEST!
That's his powers. I can guarantee you in any comics, Reed Richards attacks someone, it's with his main ability to be strechy. It's a comic book movie, comics are outrageous when you present characters like Batman physically attacking Superman. But clearly you don't understand you need to ignore some logical issues within these movies.
I feel like Doctor Strange should of had his own movie to focus more on him. And Multiverse of Madness would be the sequel to Wandavision like an Avengers level film so that way its kinda like House of M that it focuses more on Wanda against everyone. My main problem with the film was balancing out both of those two major characters and then throwing Chavez in there felt like a waste.
Same critique I had too. This was his first standalone film in years and he ended the film as the same person he was in the beginning. He lacked a character arc minus that ‘are you happy?’ Fluff the other characters kept pressing him about and his 3rd eye.
That's what they teased in all his trailers. It made it seem like the big problem was Doctor Strange. They made it seem like he was actually a big deal, what with the whole "the greatest threat to our universe is you," followed with the epic reveal of evil Doctor Strange. But no, he doesn't get to have any agency, he's just a hindrance to the true protagonist, Wanda, and an escort for the deuteragonist and McGuffin, America Chavez. And evil Doctor Strange is just some castaway stuck in his own dimension, twiddling his thumbs until he gets taken out like a little b*tch.
@@b-0220 yes!!! I felt lied to! They also never showed America in the first trailers. I wouldn't have watched it if I knew she was in it from the start. It gave me a feeling that it was going to be another Hawkeye: a main character sidelined by some new kid
Dr Strange: Some archer with a mohawk won't be much help with interdimensional monsters. Also Dr Strange: Uses archers to defend Kamar-Taj against Wanda.
First they don't trust earth military Watch that there's ONLY asgard sorcerer and wakanda military when strange summon a portal NOONE wants to bother to ask earth military
Hell, asgard still have full arsenal of their military even though thanos and surtr wiped most if not all of them Endgame is just glorious fan service smh, infinity war is better
Okay, the whole "Puerto Rico Chavez" bit had me laughing out loud, but I feel obligated to say that America is actually a name for females, at least in Mexico. The whole stars and stripes jacket was a bit on the nose, especially when there wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything at all
I went into the movie knowing that there was a character named America but nothing else. When I saw here jacket I figured that was going to become Strange's nickname for her, not her real name.
I don't think he's arguing against the name itself? it's only turning distasteful when in American movie a young woman named America is wearing the US flag on her. I mean America doesn't equal US.
"There wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything." That's because she's from a DIFFERENT universe, & judging from her childhood flashback, that one probably didn't have a USA.
Eh it‘s nitpicking. The female power shots in Endgame and Infinity War were worse. Besides, technically Charles was the last one left standing and arguably did the most (And was the nicest to Strange). I won‘t deny that it was probably the intention of the writers to drive that point home, but it wasn‘t really that bad.
I'd understand if discount captain Marvel got to fight---at least considering the type of powers that she has. But discount Captain America? How do Reed Richards and Black Bolt get killed, but a character who can only fight melee does not?
It makes sense that captain marvel survived as long as she did because she also had the powers of an infinity stone (even tho she was killed by a statue falling on her) but there’s no way Captain carter could have lasted just as long.
2:37 - 2:51, because making a _strong female character_ want to bring her kids back to life is not as _problematic_ as seeing a woman pine after a man.
I learned that Chavez fears bees, had 2 moms that she inadvertently killed (?), punches hard, can open multiverse portals, and (of course) knew how to use her powers all along. That's about it. No real character development. She was basically a plot device.
@@ShadowSonic2 wrong starkiller walks out of doctor strange portal and chokehold entire universe while Luke skywalker is banging his sister on the death star What type movie did you see 🙌🏻
It's kinda weird how they've been doing that in their recent shows. Hawkeye was basically about Kate Bishop and setting up Echo. The Mandalorian and damn near every other character sidelined Boba Fett in his show, Obi-Wan was side-lined in his show for the inquisitor lady. Fuck, even the Mando got hit with this in Season 2 of his show, where he was more often than not sidelined for other characters with upcoming shows. It's like the shit Marvels pumping out is a really elaborate advertisement for another show that will most likely be an elaborate advertisement for yet another show and so on and so forth.
Got a feeling that Blade is gonna be the only good movie coming out of phase 5. Ant man and gotg will be a Thor 4 and doc 2 repeat, the marvels will be DOGSHARTS, Captain America will be WOKE, and thunder bolts will be suicide squad 2016.
The Apprentice episodes, Raven's fatalistic pre-suicidal day, episode where Starfire travels into the future and finds team disassembled... Ah, and the entirety of Terra's arc.
There’s an episode of I believe the Superman animated series where the death of one cop, ONE, makes Superman fly to apokolips to fight Darkseid. And it was treated like a huge deal.
It really bothered me that you find out Chavez's "origin" and then it's never really addressed again. Would have been interesting seeing Wanda and America traveling the multiverse together. One a child looking for her mother and a mother looking for her children. Would have made Wanda's turn more impactful for me while also getting to know America a bit more.
I personally don't understand why they keep beating the House of M dead horse when mutants aren't even really in the MCU and shattering Wanda's reality caused over half the mutant population to either die or lose their powers.
..and maybe also having Strange play the role of temporary dad for Chavez and work husband to Wanda and eventually learn that it might be worth it for him to put down the mantle & "knife" and have a family with Christine. At least you could create an internal debate and tension for the movie's supposed main character. (Although I woupd prefer having Christine along for the adventure, and having Strange and Christine paired up as dad and mum for a bit, tempting Strange to settle down).
Even ardent communists only support that ideology because they believe they will be among those that wealth would be redistributed to rather than from. No less venal than a capitalist
Everyone’s saying the part about food being free is “anti-capitalistic” and I feel like people are stretching for that, if it’s saying ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING (Which even then it’s a stretch) it’s that basic Commodities needed to survive shouldn’t be made Inaccessible for those who can’t afford them
@@acemagalor2519 Yes, that's anti-capitalistic, because someone has to work to make those basic commodities, and saying everyone is entitled to them means forcing the person making them into slavery to make them for everyone if you are saying they shouldn't be able to not afford them. The entirety of human existence is about doing whatever you can to eke out a living off the land by whatever means necessary. Capitalism built a society that allows us to do it with so little effort, and the demanding of things for free will put us right back to scratching out a living off the land and harder shorter lives. I got my land and reserves though, so I'll laugh all the way down.
There's nothing contradictory about that. If you can make more money by saying things people want to here, then you're better off doing so, even if that message is "stop making more money".
A lot of reviewers seem to only be talking about the positives of this movie like Sam’s direction which I liked as well, but the laughably bad writing/story really drags what could have been a good movie down.
I went into it with low expectations and had a good time. Just treat marvel movies like big budget B movies and have fun with it. Most of the comics didn't take themselves too seriously to begin with.
@@augustsawzak5401 yeah the marketing oversold the movie. Looks like the studio messed up the script considering their history of what was shoehorned in iron man 2, the deleted stuff in the Hawkeye series and the last minute additions to Shang chi. And considering the crew which made the movies haven't ever done such messily written movies. So I guess it's the studio diluting it into a shallow blockbuster.
TH-camrs expected this movie to be a masterpiece and now they desperately trying to sugarcoat this all time disappointment. But they have no problem trashing Shang-Chi which is objectively a better film. It's all about their narratives. There's no such thing as honest opinion anymore.
The fact that "A Kevin Feige Production" was more prominent than "A Sam Raimi Film", points to where the issues mostly lie. I went into this hoping for a Raimi movie, but it felt like only about 10% of it carried his DNA.
That Start-Speech of C-Drinker sums it all up. I want to extra-mention the amount of Plot HOles though and say: Not just Wanda's Ability were undefined but ALL Rules of Magic. I couldnt ever feel Tension because Everything could happen.
I didn’t even know he directed the movie until the end credits. But it felt like a Raimi film the whole way through for me and then it all clicked when the credits rolled. The Bruce Campbell cameo was totally a dead giveaway but, I’m also kind of slow.
@@HipsterKhan yeah, it is becoming fairly clear to me that many anti MCU commenters are just using Sam Raimi as a stick to beat this film with .. because this was very much a Sam Raimi film in the confines of the MCU, which is how it should be. There MUST be an element of control from Feigi in order to weave what continuous story they can in the MCU .. if you don’t like that, then take it up with Sam Raimi who agreed and is getting paid to direct this film. But regardless, if you don’t see Raimi’s fingerprints all over this film, you’re probably just pretending to know what a Sam Raimi film is.
i got as far as chavez and strange jumping to a new universe. the stupid puke gag and making Dr.strange look goofy cause he "didn't think a different universe had different rules." could have been a fun scene bounced off of almost ANY OTHER CHARACTOR. but strange has not only handled similar shit before, but is like you pointed out, practically defined by his wisdom and foresight.
As someone who's read an America Chavez comic, trust me on this Drinker, I mean it: her having as little personality as possible is the absolute _best_ thing you can do for any movie she's in.
@@khawajarafay5415 What is wrong with her, in the comics, is pretty much everything that The Drinker just listed as being wrong with Wanda in this film, but ten times worse! Honestly, I was amazed by how they managed to make her bearable in this film, I previously though it would be impossible. But then again, I thought Captain Marvel was as bad as it could get, only to have this film show me that other, OTHER Captain Marvel who is even more unlikable! So I was impressed twice during the film. I wasn't expecting that. 8 out of 10, will watch again!
Charles: "If I had a penny for every time a redhead with uncontrollable godlike power killed me... I'd have two pennies. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice."
My biggest issue is that you can have a villain with a faulty logic, but treat it as such. Not only is wandas logic, and methods, extremely faulty and immoral, but the world and its characters don’t treat it like that, they act like it’s justifiable when it’s not. We as an audience are being swayed to support multiple characters that we just don’t agree with. Friendly reminder that Civil War literally tackled this topic already
Yeah civil war. When the scenario wants you to accept the flawed logic of captain america by making him right at the end even when he was selfish and irresponsible during all the movie…
I don’t really think the movie is trying to do that. Everyone is scared of Wanda and many of these people are trying to stop her. No one other than strange tries to sympathize with her. And isn’t that the point of the main hero? Besides, they try to talk her out of her villainy for 2 reasons. One, Wanda is way too overpowered to just beat up and be done with it. And two, beating up Wanda to defeat her would be so anticlimactic for a character who’s been around for seven whole real life years now.
@@DarkSpartanFTW That's why it sucks that somehow she redeemed herself while the whole movie depicts her as a selfish person. At least Thanos keeps going
@@jgamer2057 Nah, the movie is definitely trying to make you sympathize with her. She's repeatedly being told that her actions weren't "that bad" and in the end she "chooses the right thing to do". It's not full on pity mode, but there's definitely some stuff that's irksome. What she DOES is horrible, but the way she (and many others) ACTS is often not. She just wants to be "a" mommy after all -.-
One of the strangest things for me was how Professor X just died so easily. I though he was supposed to be the most powerful mind reading power dude around. What’s the point of Professor X if he’s getting bodied at his own power? And it’s not like he’s convincing anyone to stop their evil wrongdoings, so that doesn’t count either. And why is the ultimate team, the Illuminati, getting tossed into the garbage like a rotten tomato in the first place? That Illuminati scene made me question everything in this movie…like why is Dr. Strange was getting sidelined in his own movie? What is this, Scarlett Witch: Multiverse of Madness? And not to mention how ridiculous her reasons are for being a murderous psychopathic maniac and just how incredibly inconsistent and overpowered her powers are. It was extremely obvious how much plot armor the “main characters” had. She could instantly kill just about anyone who isn’t Dormammu or Dr. Doom and whoever else is around that power level. Like, here we have Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic getting folded in 2 seconds, and then this random girl with a striped jacket is somehow escaping from Wanda every single time they meet, and beating her up using the ol’ one-two tactic at the end? The scaling of the MCU is absolutely insane and all over the place. Why is a random girl - who just showed up - using a Darkhold powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Scarlett Witch as a punching bag all of the sudden? There’s so many things wrong with this movie, but I’m going to leave it at that. Let’s just say that after I watched this movie, my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.
Wanda has been a problem in the Avengers for 40 years. The same issues mentioned about this movie have been a longstanding issue in the comics. Her powers gone bad led led to M-Day when almost every mutant lost their powers. She has led to the destruction of the Avengers. Yet, she's always forgiven and allowed back into the fold.
To be honest even from a story telling perspective she is a issue. Her powers have no real limit. As in if she has a psychotic break she could erase all life in the universe ALMOST as well as the Infinity stones. From a story telling perspective that is a serious issue. Top this off with a character that is at best schizophrenic with how often and major her mental changes with a good deal of other mental issues on top and she breaks the world building hard.
@@x1mjp1x Probably. But comic Wanda is so powerful that you would be dumb not to enlist her for help against some REALLY big threats, especially when she wanted to help.
It is tho. This is more of WandaVision season 2 than it is a Doctor Strange sequel. The movie was more of focusing on Wanda's obsession with her kids and America's power than with the Multiverse and some plot threads of the first DS movie was completely ignore like Mordo being the villain in the post credit scene, where the hell is he in the MCU? All of the sudden we see a variant of him in another universe?? so the title was kinda misleading, it's more of Scarlet Witch in the Multiverse of Madness
@@Erasureeraser Wanda’s not real kids, that is. That she tortured hundreds, thousands over for weeks, and (we think) murdered their pets? And aren’t totally sure what she did to the kids
Missed plot opportunity: Take Strange to a universe that's perfect for him, including Christine wanting to be with him, maybe a universe where a version of Stephen Strange and Christine were married & had kids (but that version of Strange died) and have him renounce it willingly to go back, because he has to stop Wanda, save America & the twins. Have him mirror what Wanda had been through would've been one hell of a motivation... and one hell of a good reason for Wanda to scream at Strange that he's a hypocrite. Also, I don't understand why they wasted the few scenes they had with Christine for Strange to clearly show he's still deeply in love with her, but have Christine fart from the mouth, instead of giving a clear answer to a man she's, at the very least, still friends with. Why was it so hard for them having Christine tell Stephen that their lives were simply on different paths, that she couldn't be with him because she would have to put her entire life on hold just to wait for him like a Pomeranian waiting for its owner to come home and she didn't want to waste her potential like that? It happens: sometimes two people have feelings for one another, but it just can't work, so they move on... If they wanted Christine to not want Stephen in her life, anymore, because he had been too much of a selfish, arrogant jerk before, why have her invite him to the wedding? It would've have been so easy to have Strange just peek at the wedding from a café across the street, heart broken to watch Christine marry someone else and go with that. The Devil is in the details and there were tons of tiny details, like the exchanges with Christine, that just didn't work.
For your first paragraph: We're already seen shows and movies do this, a lot of them. While the impact is good and it makes sense, it's just a cliche plot.
It's as simple as, these people have their heads way up the... fandom asses, so they felt the need to both "provide new content for the ship" and be assholes about it (they cannot be together IN ANY POSSIBLE UNIVERSE) to content the people that want "edgy" and none of that syrupy stuff. It's extremely weird to me because the first DS did close that plotline. Christine goes back to the ER, Strange goes back to saving the world. It's a goodbye kiss. So it's really just for the sake of money, as everything in the MCU is now.
"Squid monsters are the first step in establishing a good working relationship". I can feel a Critical Drinker entry into the management consultancy book market coming.
One thing I found confusing was how the alternate captain marvel was launched into a wall at high speeds, then came back without a scratch, but then she died when a statue fell on her.
Yep Wanda syphoned her power.....in less than 4 seconds.......think about that.......ya yet it takes her how long to even attempt this against America......gotta have her walk slow and menacing like first.....ya know.....for the trailer 🤣🤣🤣 this movie did Wanda and Strange dirty. I wish the suits kept their hands off it and let Raimi do what he does. It's so disjointed you can literally see which scenes the execs demanded while basically saying "don't kill anyone important!" 🤣🤣🤣
her power is reality warping they are just really shit at showing it and don't feel like taking the moral implications of twisting realty to fit your whims on a dime so instead they just give her random powers with no explanation and try to justify her actions honestly i could see that being a really good horror movie of her slowly changing reality and only one person recognizing with every one else just viewing it as completely normal
I noticed that when Wanda kills the Illuminati, Black Bolt and Reed Richards are killed outright with no legitimate effort to fight back. But Captain Carter and Captain Marvel put up a much better fight. That was bothersome.
Not just that the male deaths are more graphic and shown while the female are less so. Carter may have been cut in half but we only see a bloody shield and her "top half" fall (could have shown her legs fall with the cut out of frame and her top half fall in front of the camera with the cut out of frame) and Marvel get "crushed" by a statue (she's fine going through a wall though) where her hand just falls, no blood pooling.
And don't forget Ms. America Chavez putting up a good fight too. This movie had Disney preaching to us throughout. From the pin she wore on her jacket, and having 2 mothers, and even her name itself. Disney is garbage. Bunch of groomers.
I find it pretty interesting that when Wanda finds Dr Strange in the alternate dimension, she immediately kills both of the men with ease, and yet somehow struggles to fight the two women, one of them significantly less powerful (Captain Britain, who has much less options) than the two men. I wonder if they’re trying to tell us something…?
I can only imagine Sam Raimi repeating in his head through the entire shoot, like a mantra, “Just get through this and they promised they’d fund another Evil Dead.”
With Bruce Campbell standing next to him saying “We’re gonna get through this Sam, it’s all gonna be Ok, just think of how many deadite costumes and chainsaws we’ll be able to afford!”
Drinker.....I've been on Marvel since Ironman 1 and I have to agree with your analysis of the now" Marvel Formula" that is stifling the directors. I would have LOVED to see a true Sam Raimi rated R Doctor Strange.
That probably would have made it worse. I mean, he hasn't worked on anything big in like a decade. He was very rusty, that obviously apparent. I personally think Marvel fucked up by bringing him in.
"Oh no, she's chasing us! Let's stop for 15 seconds for no reason...oh crap there she is!" Also why is she running at them in glass covered feet even though she can fly? "Shush! JUST CONSUME!!"-Disney
Seriously this movie suffered most because of horror aspsect of Wanda being unstopable monster. I love this movie however plot holes were very obvious with no big epic scenes to distract 1) Why Dr. Strange let fodder wizards get slaughtered if he knew that he himself is no match for Wanda. It would make more sense make run for it from the get go, rather than let many of his subordinates die for nothing. That man can open portal to different plantes for christ sake!! 2) Why Strange, Wong and America are just waiting for Wanda to come out from the reflections. Dudu you can literally move the entire room start doing something!!! 3) Also bet that forgotten spell was never used before NWH and will never be used after because it would solve a lot of problems. 4) Wizards using guns and arrows against Scarlet Witch was some Battle of Winterfell dumb shite! 5) I am just wondering what are exactly limits of Wandas powers. Because reality warping would mean she could give herself Americas powers without needed her. Also I love how during final fight she conveniently forgots she can change memories on whim. ¨ Love the movie but its definetly controversial one.
It's based on superheroes from Marvel Comics. You're nitpicking when there's a ton of shit in the MCU that wouldn't have even happened if anyone had common sense. It's for teens and marvel fans.
Time stone, but yeah. We needed so many more lines about that "this is the only way" line. Thanos points out that Strange never tried to use the Time Stone despite it having the ability to permanently trap someone in a time loop. He did it to himself and Dormammu. Have one of the other characters tell him to use it, and have Strange say something like "last time I did that I died 1000 times. I won't subject you to that". But that also doesn't work because he tried to use it against Ebony Maw when he was in significantly less danger
Actually, that could have been interesting if Strange had trapped Thanos in a time loop, but after dying thousands of time, it turned out that Thanos was more committed to his goal than Strange was and Strange couldn't take the insanity anymore and had to find a different way to kill him.
I was actually pleasantly surprised they made Wanda into a villain. After all her immoral actions in Wandavision with the attempts to make us sympathize with her, I was happy to see her portrayed as a ruthless villain here.
And yet still tried to garner sympathy for her at the end because she "did the right thing." I don't think the MCU knows what it's doing with these characters.
@@ShadowSonic2 Magneto had a much more valid reason of hating human beings discriminately after they try to discriminately hunt and kill his kind for no good reason with even governments allowing it but let Spider-Man / Thor / and Captain Marvel run around.
It’s funny how Di$ney pushes this message that almost everything is free in other universes, but they charge an arm & a leg to go their theme parks in real life. They also charge around a 500% markup on their food and drinks as well, which is 66% higher than a standard markup for food & drinks that places normally charge. Ya, no hypocrisy there, huh Di$ney?
I guess you missed that joke. She thinks food is free because she's had to scavenge or forage for food but, the minute she says it...the foods not free in this universe. It's just childish criminal behavior.
The reason capitalism is so successful is in part because it can turn it's critique into a product. Disney is no hypocrit - it's literally selling the idea of anti-capitalism to make a profit, knowing full well people will pay to see this utopia, while doing fckall to achieve it. To them, this is as much a fiction is Dr. Strange fighting the squid-monster. It's the same with "the message" - just a list-item to check for marketing, not something the people behind it actually care about or fight for beyond polishing their image. Neither are actual convictions behind the scenes and thus both are implemented so fking bad.
One thing that really annoyed me is when the alternate Earth's Avengers underestimated Wanda. Like, these guys beat Thanos on Titan, meaning their universe's Thanos never managed to assemble all the Infinity Stones. You'd think the people who accomplished that would never underestimate Wanda in a million fucking years, especially given how they're talking to our universe's Dr. Strange, who also defeated Thanos, and yet he thinks Wanda will kick his arse. That should be an immediate red flag that Wanda is a Thanos level (or even worse) threat who's about to walk through their front door, and they practically laugh in Strange's face when he tells them to take her seriously. Like no fucking wonder this universe's Strange used the Darkhold to try and defeat Thanos. Evidently everyone else besides maybe Professor X was completely fucking useless.
Because they needed to have one cool 'hip and inclusive' scene after the two Illuminati men died easily and the two women could fight Wanda in epic combat. Shit writing tbh
Although technically wouldn't that have made them overconfident? They easily defeated the Mad Titan. And Reed Richards was all like "Blackbolt could just incinerate you right now with one word." So it makes sense that they would go in expecting to win. Especially since their Wanda had never displayed that level of power in their universe since she never went crazy in that one.
@@pablovirus Honestly, what the heck was Mr. Fantastic going to do anyways? He's a street level hero at best and the weakest of the Fantastic 4. The female heroes that were left lasted as long as they did because after watching 2 of their team get killed they no longer underestimated Wanda.
@@Ace_of_Horns I don't know, but tbh, that's the writers' problem, not mine. If Wanda was capable of bending reality to her will so as to erase someone's mouth without any effort there's no excuse for her no to be able to, say, blind the remaining Illuminati on the spot. Her unexplained powers lead to bad writing and nonsensical fight scenes with inconsistent spikes and dips in her power level. Maybe the source material (comics) are equally bad? IDK about that
The message is that women should not have kids in the first place, because they get disturbed by it and commit crimes. That is obviously nonsense but it is The Message
I've seen people defend Wanda's weak motivation of wanting her imaginary kids to be real, by comparing it to Kingpin's motivation in Into The Spider-verse, saying his was considered okay because "it's a man". The difference between them is that Kingpin's family was REAL. He went through the pain and suffering of losing real people. He wants to undo the end of someone real. Meanwhile Wanda just wants to live in her own "real-life" fanfiction of her imaginary children. Seems like a bit stronger of a motivation for Kingpin to me.
Well also Kingpin is undoubtedly the villain of the movie, and even his family died because of their shock and horror at his actions. The movie and writers didn't try to paint him out as anything but a villain, his tragedy was entirely his own.
Also also, if she was so happy living with imaginary husband anf kids, why not make it again on her new Hex? There's NO ACTUAL REASON for her life on her new massive deforestation Hex to not be perfect with kids and a Vision
If Scarlet Witch got into a different universe, that Wanda might actually appreciate the help to take care of the kids. An extra Wanda to help clean up, an extra Wanda to read the kids to sleep, an extra Wanda to help around the house, etc. As for the husband, I'm sure he could think of something that rhymes with gleesome
Actually this film is fairly based if you look at Wanda's motivation. After all here's a woman who could be the most powerful being ever, but all she wants is to be a soccer mom.
I never saw Wandavision but that “you’re the one with the guns, director” line to a man trying to save a town full of people from a monster with super powers you just showed makes me so glad I didn’t ever check it out…
Isn't that just a despicable line? She's got red energy coming out of her hands... and can tear people apart with her mind but hey, he's got a gun. What is going on in Hollywood?
It’s a shame you’d boycott an entire show off of one line you didn’t like. People in general say some weird and misguided things, and she’s portrayed as deluded in the show. So even if it’s a poorly written line, it fits within her delusional viewpoint. She doesn’t have a valid argument and thus must grasp at straws. Reminds me of my crazy ex. I enjoyed Wandavision quite a lot, but to each their own.
@@micahwright5901 if the entire premise is about her misguided nature then why does the show pretend Wanda didn't do anything wrong why is the audience sympathiesing with her.
"You are the ones pointing guns at me" etc is actually the most realistic thing about real world villains - deny and reflect back even the most obvious accusations.
Plus the entire context of WandaVision is that she was struggling with a mental breakdown. Soon after killing her man vision to try to stop Thanos, he turned back time and tore Vision's head, killing him, again. She soon retreated into her own world and created a fake neighborhood, and fake family life in a psychological break. She wasn't being reasonable about the guns, and her fake Vision husband had to convince her to let him, and the fake kids go. When your fake husband has to show you reality, you're struggling.
@@anubusx I honestly thought Nightmare was gonna be the villain when this film was announced but honestly, Olsen's performance was probably the best I've ever seen from her, so I'm ok with it.
@@maddexulanowski1184 I was hoping that Dr. Strange 2 would focus more on Dr Strange than Chavez or Wanda. Marvel has been getting a little comfortable with shoe-horning in tertiary characters to set up new movies and franchises and ignoring the main fking character we all wanted to see that movie was named after. Olsen's acting was fine but I wouldn't call her performance actually moving, or scary, or intimidating. The trailers also revealed too much. Once the movie started I knew exactly where the movie was going and what was going to happen because they showed too much from the movie in the trailer.
The fact that they still refuse to hold Wanda accountable for her actions is enough reason for me to avoid this film. It's utterly insane and borders on parody at this point, like the writers are doing it just to spite us now.
Give it a watch because it is still good as he said if you do not think about the plot too much. Just the visual spectacle is worth it and there are plenty of sites to watch it free when the cam version changes to the proper version.
He was on about the different dimensions, like the mirror dimension or dark dimension. They do use the term "multiverse" so it confused me too, I'd put it down to marvel doing retcons about what the multiverse is
Ever since his first solo movie and Infinity War (hell, even his cameo in Ragnarok!), Dr. Strange's character has done a complete 180. This movie and No Way Home basically wouldn't happen if he was still the Dr. Strange from his first couple of appearances.
It's like they want him to be the new Tony Stark, but Tony Stark is supposed to be a mad scientist. His whole shtick is being a modernized take on the mad scientist trope. He's supposed to be performing constant experiments, some of which are miraculous, some of which explode in his face. Doctor Strange is supposed to be wise.
I really liked "No Way Home", but I had some big gripes with the movie and one of them was that it made Doctor Strange into an idiot so the story could happen. There are plenty of other ways they could have made the "multiverse leak" happen without doing that, but you know, males aren't allowed to be competent any more.
@@MarsM13 That's why the MCU (were it worth anything now) needs Reed Richards. He's a classic example of the hyperfocused scientist who lets his passions for solving the problem overshadow other important situations. I think it's no coincidence that a number of "What If?" stories from back in the day had him basically becoming a villain. But I have no hope that we'll ever a Fantastic Four movie that does the characters justice and captures the feel of the "World's Greatest Comic". The 2000s movies weren't very good, but they got some things right. If anything, the Corman movie captured the feel of the comic better than anything since and could have been quite good if it had been given a budget.
My gripe is how at the end of Wandavision we hear her sons calling out to Wanda for help suggesting to me at least that they did in fact survive but are lost in the multiverse. Having Wanda trying to find her Earth 616 sons would have been a more palatable (and logical) plan which still would have allowed us to see Wanda be a chilling villain.
No no, she did found her son, but she can't bring em to her or bring herself to them bcs of THEY ALL ARE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSE It's like kingpin tried to bring her wife and son from another universe. But instead of try to bring themself in, Wanda try hard to suck chavez power (which we don't know whether it would kill it or not) so she bring herself to her child ...... Or so Wanda thought, bcs that's clearly what the demon thinking.
@@matheusd.rodrigues429 True, but the movie does not give you a true sense of that. Like if the book was destroyed and then Wanda "wakes up" a bit to see what she is doing. Nope. We don't get that. The logic Drinker points out is pretty strong about "where is the dad" and "why not just ASK to be taken there"
I just wanted a doctor strange vs wanda solo battle where he actually shows his full powers like against thanos. Even if he loses it would still have been more satisfying then getting sidelined in the final battle. Doctor strange's third eye looks so horrible I hate it and hope that they remove it. Also what the hell was that one flashback with the illuminati the background green screen made me want to stop living.
My main problem with the movie is that Strange held his own against thanos with 4 infinity stones using a multitude of spells, I was so happy when he dream walked and controlled the souls of the damned and actually stood a chance against her
Half the CG in the movie is fantastic, and half is slightly better a teenager with a year of Blender under their belt. Also the look (overall visual feel, color, lens choice, lots of technical things) of the movie is actually super cheesy and sub-par for the budget. Many effects clearly had more time available than others.
I absolutely HATE what they did to Wanda and her story arc in this movie. I loved WandaVision, even if it had a few little flaws, and then they just completely trashed her character in this movie. "Yeah, but the Darkhold!" Piss off with that argument. Oh, and you're spot on in your assessment of Uruguay Chavez. Keep up the great work Drinker!!
I don't like the idea of the multiverse. It's like a writer's cheat code. I can see a multi-dimensional movie being interesting but they just use it for endless reboots and modifications it's lazy and there's no tension because if one Spider-Man dies there's a million other ones so why does any of this matter at all?
I've grown a distaste for it as well, especially as the concept has grown in popularity over the years. I can't help but wonder if it's a product of the morally relative and atheistic culture growing throughout western society or a deliberate attempt to strip meaning from certain ideas, such as truth and objectivity. I'd like to think it's a concept most people have fun with but seeing as it's no different than say, the concept of God, or Gods, in regards to it having no real tangible evidence for its serious belief, I've begun to grow a steady suspicion over its increase in popularity.
Also, I cannot tell you how disappointed I was with Wong ;D He could have made sure that the buck stopped with him but, instead, he takes the incredibly easy and super predictable bait by succumbing to Wanda torturing three or four nobodies that no one cares about. I was also confused at the time when she pulled them out of the rubble - I honestly thought she had conjured corpses for a moment. Imagine putting the four lives of those nobodies over the entire multiverse, or at least their own Universe, because he can't fathom what it means for them all to live, and die, as heroes. You'd think he'd have been tougher and that they'd all know what they signed on for with him being Sorcerer Supreme and them being acolytes, you know?
Wong, the Kamar-Taj Affirmative Action Hire, is a terrible “Sorcerer Supreme”. He has utterly FAILED at his job, but like most AA-Hire’s, he won’t be held accountable for it. (He might even get promoted!) Countless people die under his leadership. Then at the end, he basically shrugs and tells Strange, “Well, I guess ya gotta kill the kid” 🤷 ….Two scenes later, he’s training her at the Sanctum. Disney WILL NOT ALLOW Dr Strange to fulfill his DESTINY and reclaim HIS moniker, BECAUSE using the word “SUPREME” as a GOOD THING to describe a WHITE MAN would trigger too many oppressed blue check marks.
Yeah i know. I guess i accepted that as, him maybe having a good hunch that he'd find a way to beat her in the end, which they did. But yeah it seemed selfish to risk the multiverse on four lives. But hey, who's to say if Wanda thought she had no chance to get what she wanted she wouldn't just destroy the whole planet out of anger? 🤷🏻♂️ so maybe he made the best decision in the end.
I understood it as making a comparison between Dr. Strange and Wong with Wong caring about individual people and Dr. Strange only caring about the big picture, which was a point they were trying to make throughout the movie, though by the end they made the point that this Dr Strange was different from pretty much every other Dr. Strange in the multi verse and that he had grown to be a more compassionate person. I still think Wong showing her where the tower was was beyond stupid, but I think I get the reason behind it, and it was the only thing I really considered a plot hole when I watched the movie. I thought it was really enjoyable to watch and it made sense to me for the most part as I was watching it.
Imo the most out-of-character moment in this movie happened at the end: Wanda inexplicably accepted the consequences of her actions instead of just momentarily feeling bad about them like she normally would.
Part of me feels that they just can't have a real female villain. Like the whole "Dr strange wasn't in wandavision because mansplaining" They are doing Wanda an injustice
@@freetime2freeminds yeah with all the talk of Wanda isn't some time bomb Hawkeye treating her like a family and capt. america making sure she keeps her right. seems like Iron Man was right all a long the accords should have been signed or maybe the writers forgot that character development that Wanda has other people in her life she cares about and care about her. in all honestly this could work better if it was hawkeye who died for the soul stone then yes I would understand of being desperate with wanting the kids because she has nobody left capt america is dead hawkeye in that scenario is dead vision is dead so she has no other people to run into
to be fair, that was probably the only in character moment for her in the entire movie. her MCU version has constantly been taking things to far and then regretting it. like when her brother died, or when she killed the wakandans, or when she took over a whole fucking town and force impregnated herself on a meth bender.
I think your closing thoughts sum it up perfectly, Mr. Drinker. The most frustrating thing for me in things in life, particularly works of fiction, is when something has all the building blocks to be better than what it ended up becoming. It's like a pet peeve, but more intense. There's just so much room for a more fantasy-like Marvel superhero movie here, but it needs to respect the wider universe it takes place in, to stay within reason and the audience's suspension of disbelief.
The whole idea of "only one in the multiverse" really breaks down when people from the multiverse start interacting with it. Timelines will diverge as soon as someone gets it.
Disgusting. The plot doesn't make any sense. America Chavez is CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. Only sheeple keep on paying for Disney's leftist brainwashing propaganda.
Timelines, multiverses and dimensions (in fiction) never stand up to much scrutiny. You can get away with using them but if you start leaning too heavily on them, the shortcomings become ever more present.
It's not actually that complicated. It's just that writers will never stick to what they orginally claimed. It's the Obi-wan defense. "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view." "What about all that bit about "only a Jedi can wield a lightsaber?" "You must understand Luke, we had no idea that they would blow up like that. The toy sales alone-" "Toy sales?" "You'll understand it for yourself when you're older."
She just doesn't dream and never saw another version of herself. Those are not absolute statements regarding the whole of the multiverse, just her personal experience
"Who the fuck wrote this shit?" Dude who wrote Loki. Explains everything. The standard of hollywood writing these days is the worst it has ever been, im sure of it.
I've never watched Loki after getting a synopsis of the story but if I had known that fact that the dude who wrote that also wrote this I would have saved myself $30 or spent it to see Northman again.
I agree that magic should have a set of rules and limitations. Even Agents of SHIELD knew to establish a risk or two about magic usage which added some weight to the story they were telling.
In DnD magic is OP as shit at the higher levels, but there ARE rules, and in some cases consequences to it. So while you can do almost anything with magic, they make it basically impossible once you hit a certain point. What makes it "fun" with these rules, is doing anything isn't banned, its just always "almost impossible".
@@Scylon1 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. You're telling me Black Bolt, Mr. Fantastic, Professor X, Captain Bri'ian, and balanced Captain Marvel couldn't beat Wanda? I guess they really threw a level 20 DMPC at level 5-10 characters.
Agent’s of SHiELD was an alright show even though I never trusted abc’s budget especially when that inhumans show happened. But still agents was a good show.
I never really felt all that bombarded by agendas honestly. I think it was a mess of a film that lacked cohesion, thus certain elements stuck out that didn’t need too. It’s diverse cast felt like the foreground cause the plot was doing a bad job, I never felt it forced upon me. Honestly the agenda it seemed to hail was the comic book tease agenda. It felt very bloated by little things that didn’t make a good story but would make people go “ohhh it’s blank!” And I’m a fuckin nerd! They casted a fine representation of a modern society and forgot to make a full film for that cast.
@@SassyShar well thank you! I can certainly understand the sentiment of your feelings and can see it more with reflection of the film, but I really think the failure came in plot and execution, not the needless devotion to agendas. Take America Chavez, her character in its early creation in comics was UNDOUBTEDLY a creation of trying to appease “agendas “ even though that’s not really what people asked for anyway, but she was later used in exciting ways that allowed views and cultures that are not as represented in comics to shine and they didn’t try to sexualize her but allowed a teenage girl to have opinions and feelings that they normally would. Did they do much of that in the movie? Fuck no! She got as much characterization as the dark hold and this caused her smaller character traits, such as her pride pin, to take the foreground cause we had so little else to know or care about, thus making her seem like her purpose was 50 year olds hoping she is relatable and trendy. I just think she was a prop they cast a person for, like if the Darkhold had an actor!
"this girl has the power to travel between universes! Anyone who gets control of her could take over the whole multiverse" I mean.... No. They could TRAVERSE the whole multiverse, but if they want to CONTROL it they'd need to fight an entire universe every time and conquer all of that. A task so enormous Thanos with his massive and powerful army had to find the infinity stones to pull it off. Strange can traverse the multiverse too, a fudged memory spell almost screwed the multiverse up in fact, so why aren't they after HIM instead?
your quotation literally said "take over", not control 💀With Chavez's power, one could just kill an avenger and jump to another to destroy their universe, it's that easy
@@daffaagung what? That makes no sense. Killing any one person would do fuck all to the universe. The Avengers only have sway over EARTH. If you have the power to control an entire universe surely you can get to other universes on your own. Oh wait, yeah, they made AN ENTIRE SERIES about this and none of it made any fucking sense.
@@daffaagung not to mention in 1 multiverse, there's an ARMY of space alien that would resist. So taking over 1 universe is a hell of a job that i don't think wanda could do that herself
@@AscendantStoic Neither were the writers, just problem into half assed answer into next problem into next half assed answer. Repeat for a couple hours, then it's miller time.
@Ryomen Gojo Maybe, but it was never established how reflective a surface needs to be for it to count as a portal, because pretty much everything reflects light, and also the pieces of cloth won't stop 100% of light from passing through, that's the problem with making concepts on the fly just for one supposedly "cool/scary" scene without properly introducing them or ever using them again.
@Ryomen Gojo Like in Fullmetal Alchemist (a series that handles "magic with established rules" MUCH better than the MCU), there's a character that can manipulate *shadows* to form various shapes and weapons, including extremely sharp blades. He's extremely powerful since there seems to be no limit to the size and complexity of his shadow forms. His main weakness? He controls *his own* shadows, which makes him powerless in the *dark,* since you can't cast distinct shadows in darkness.
This review was exactly what I needed to see. I thought I was going insane when I spoke to people about this movie and all they did was sing it’s praises. I’m glad you’re out here keeping things honest.
@@masonsuarez7096 that guy is woke. And the perfect embodiment of it. He seems to spend a large amount of his time watching content he hates and responding to people he hates. All I did was click his profile pic here and immediately saw him call people who watch this channel racist and sexist.
It was really cool when America is told to urgently cover all the reflections in the room and she starts covering puddles but then stops to look really closely at a puddle.
It's like they forgot that their eyes are equally reflective surfaces too... could you imagine THAT scene? Scarlett Witch crawling out of one of their eyeballs?
That part really annoyed me, like gurl what are u doing, cover the puddle and move on
Similarly to how they’re all running from her in the sewers, Wanda blasting every door that gets in her way…until they decide to all stop after a random door shuts and wait just so she can pop out and fear flash us.
Or what about when they leave the door open to the book dimension room and chill out to chat until Wanda can catch up.
Or what about when the Illuminati treat Wanda like a turned based RPG boss and take turns fighting her instead of fighting like….you know…a team.
I think the real theme of this movie is learning the importance of urgency.
@@happybirthdaypaulie8584 TBF, not at all absolving this film of the sin, but this is a pretty common thing that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel like I see this "Stand around mouth agape" reaction shot so many times when the in universe character could have been taking any form of action and if makes me want to off myself.
@@jeebuschristos8423 That.... would actually be fucking terrifying.
Wanda : “I made mistakes and people were hurt”
Doctor Strange : “I didn’t watch your Disney plus show”
Wanda: neither did I
lmaoo
You should it’s pretty good🍿😗
"I couldn't get through the first 30 minutes."
@@spacewiz163 I heard it's a giant waste of time with a nebulous plot that leaves you with a feeling of "huh, okay that was a thing" at best.
Wasn't the entire third act of Strange's debut film about him willingly putting himself in a neverending death loop all for the sake of protecting reality from an eldritch god? That seems like the exact opposite of everything Wanda's been doing post-Endgame.
Yeah but nobody in universe knows he did that
This comment is exactly why Wanda’s complaint that Strange’s breaking the rules makes him a hero, and hers a villain, makes me just…dislike her so much. Her arguments don’t actually add up and are just immature, posing as deep thought.
The scene where she says Strange shouldn’t talk to her about sacrifice blew my mind because this man has literally died more than anyone ever will to protect the world.
I am surprised no one mentioned the "You can do it" monologue at the end when Strange says the magic word "you can do it" to Bolivia Chavez and suddenly Puerto Rico Chavez can control her powers.
@@sandeepsrinivas7 just trust yourself. The power was in your control all along
she took out the 2 male illmunatis without taking a single step, but the 2 female ones she has to fight...
weird, isn't it ?
A bit odd, innit mate?
the wahmen are stronger
they all died in the end
@@radtugzz4953 Finally, everyone is equally dead.
Sometimes you guys get way to much in to it. Xavier was fighting her too. A mind fight litterly
Wanda went full Abby in this movie. She straight up asks Reed Richards, "Is your wife still alive?" "Yes, she is." "Good. Then your children will have someone to raise them." Then she violently murders the guy. Am I, at any point forward, supposed to feel any sort of empathy for her? That's so fucking dark.
Yeah the fact the MCU keeps expecting us to treat her like a hero after Wanda vision and... Whatever the fuck this movie was for her, it's trully stupid
@@gasalpha879 Why do you think they're expecting us to treat her like a hero? They literally turned her into a villain.
Some of us have been burned by comics too long. I just don’t expect her heel turn to be permanent. They’ll variant her into a hero again or something
NO, YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FEEL EMPATHY FOR HER. THAT'S THE FUCKING TWIST IN HER SELF-JUDGEMENT IN THE END WHEN SHE REALIZES SHE'D GONE FULL KUJO.
Christ, did any of you watch the end of the movie?
The Abby comparison is very valid. They seem to make out as if she is a relatable villain but I just wanted the characters to kick her obnoxious face in. I was annoyed that in the end she ended up killing herself.
What a dreadfully written OP character.
What makes me upset is how much they held back strange. Strange in infinity war in my opinion was the best strange we ever got. In infinity he turned a black hole into butterflys, summoned multiple copies of himself, and learned multiple possible paths that lead to their victory. But in here the only thing that was even close to that was when he was playing battle of the bands with himself. The rest was just him running and getting his butt tossed around.
Wanda is just that much stronger than him.
True
It’s Phase II: destroy all the male characters
@@MikeJohnson-qy4wq As opposed to making all the women useless shrieking damsels...
@@ShadowSonic2 Thanos too, but the guy still pack a punch. I'd love to see more sorcery from Strange but they nerfed him...
My biggest issue with the movie was the “Believe in yourself” ending and then trying to make it seem like whatever Wanda did wasn’t that bad and she “fixed it” in the end. She legit murdered several people in this movie. For no reason.
Ya that was my biggest thing with it. The ending with Wanda felt very trivial
"My villain is not really a 'bad guy', just 'Part of the conversation'" - Michael B. Jordan on his villain 'KILL'Monger. 😂
Bad guy sympathizing is becoming a normal thing.
It was so anticlimactic too, no boss fight or anything. Just a girl who uses the power of friendship and Wanda realized murder is wrong 🙄
@@warframehunter7298 Boring. Bossfights in the MCU have become so lame. This was way better. Not that she redeemed herself, but it was like "dude, fckng understand!!!!" And she understood. Fucking marvel fans just want the same old repeated bullshit formula and I'm tired of that shit
Well, Loki is pretty much a hero now and how many people did he kill in New York?
Basically the only reason the protagonist "won" is because Wanda DECIDED to give up.....forget Strange's powers, wisdom and abilities.
moreover, after scarlett bitch hearing "know that they'll be loved" she goes back to default settings lol, like before becoming a genocidal monster did she not know that those boys are going to be loved? like WTF?
It didn't occur to me until just before I'm posting this, but both Wanda & alt-Wanda are mutants (which is where their powers came from), their powers are the same, & since their powers are the same, that means that they had the same parents (alt versions of them in alt-Wanda's case, but otherwise the same). Therefore, it would've been cool to see alt-Magneto show up (or at least be mentioned) at some point.
I loved how they introduced reed richards as the smartest man in the universe then he immediately tells wanda how black bolt can kill her in a word instead of just letting black bolt kill her in a word.
"The smartest *_man_* "
There you have it. I guess?
Intelligence and wisdom are not necessarily correlated.
The wanda in there universe is not a big deal. If you remember Age of Altron all she can do is throw objects around. He did not know she had the power to erase someone's mouth. Even when their strange had the darkhold he was not that powerful.
Smartest man doesn't mean Wisest man. But I get what you mean.
The Illuminati were portrayed accurately because in this universe, everyone in the Illuminati, including Richards, are very arrogant, egotistical. It's basically the "ego-maniacal superhero group" universe. Their personalities are different in each universe. But, with that said, even then, your point makes it pretty funny that he is the smartest man in that universe and still tells her that anyway. Goes to show, with anyone, arrogance is one's downfall.
You are right. What's the point of bringing in talented directors into the MCU when the MCU directs themselves?
I feel like this wasn't Sam's vision. He probably wanted to make his own (likely better) story, and the studio took over and made this lame shit.
Blame Disney not marvel they used to make a good amount of movie before Disney bought them.
@you know this ??????????????????? why
This is why for all its faults, DC’s approach of letting Directors make the films they wanted had a benefit. When Marvel is good they are good. When it sucks, it sucks. With D.C., you have to take each film as it’s own thing.
@@ayeskidman9269 Sony's Gucci tho
Wanda has the most inconsistent powers. She can warp reality, but a little cave in stops her in her tracks.
Wanda de-exists black bolt's mouth but can't do the same for peggy's hands/legs/vital organs.
Plot.
@@gwagwa4685 Beat the two Male heroes with ease but struggled with the two female heroes. Gee blatant much?
She allowed the cave in to kill her... CLEARLY..
@@stefanm2731 I mean, Reed and Charles came off as more reasonable and good natured but still overconfident in their own ability. Meanwhile, Capt Marvel and Carter were just as cocky as the guys but they were much more stand-off and condescending.
That said, that 'battle' was unnecessary. What stopped Wanda from, I dunno, force choke the fuck out of Captain Carter with her magic? It didn't stop her from killing Black Bolt (who was vastly powerful that Carter) and Reed by overwhelming them with powerful magic from the get go.
Ahh yes, despite everything, they cannot overcome the most powerful entity in all of story writing: The Plot and all its other incarnations such as Plot Armor and Plot Device.
To be fair. Wanda having vague powers has been a problem in comics too.
And pretty much everything else, her being insane over the loss of her imaginary children and getting away with any damage she causes etc
Yeah of all the MCU versions of comics characters (*cough* Carol Danvers *cough*), Wanda bugs me the least. She was always unstable and always had plot-driver level powers. I'm all-the-way done with the Marvels et al, but I was fine with Wanda here.
Don't ask questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product.
that's pretty much marvel at this point, also avoid the woke shit
That’s literally all the mcu is now
*The Life of the Consoomer*
Oooh Movie Bob
Exactly.
1:21 America
1:30 Puerto Rico
2:20 Nicaragua
3:22 Costa rica
3:38 Guatemala
4:25 Venezuela
5:17 Honduras
6:05 Bolivia
6:21 Peruvia
12:26 Colombia
13:02 Mexico
Did I miss one?
@@theDuckysaurus is it racism? He is mocking the makers dum dum
@@theDuckysaurus the implication being “the message” lol. The stars on the shirt. A bit much 😂
@@theDuckysaurus its a joke. Have some humor
@@theDuckysaurus You might have missed the one about humour. Not everything has to be about your feelings.
El Salvador, Panama, Argentina and Chile
Several times in Phase 4, the writers expect the audience to sympathize for characters that are morally corrupt. It is weird how consistently out of touch they are.
Its because the writers are morally corrupt and think they're the real good guys. You really have to be a POS to think wanda did nothing wrong at all in wandavision.
It’s probably because most of Hollywood is morally corrupt
Considering everything thats been going on at Disney lately, is it weird, or is it getting understandable?
They are called antiheroes for a reason, and they aren't something new. You don't need to s ympathize with a character to enjoy a movie. But this one sucked.
Wandavision seems to be afraid to define Wanda as a villain and creates a subplot to say that she saved that entire population and that made up for all the brainwashing she did. it's horrible
I like how she basically disintegrates the two men but then there has to be an actual fight for the women. I feel like they're trying to tell me something...
Maybe because big cinema corporations such as Marvel's portrayal of "gender equality" is men are complete useless beings because women can do everything men can do and possibly do it better? Who knows!
I thought the same
Female supremacy undertones, also added to the fact how she straight up mocked the father (mr fantastic) by saying that at least they’ll still have someone to take care of them after she asked where his kid’s mom was. Implying that the father isn’t needed to take care of kids and raise them cause “mom knows best”
Funny thing is that black bolt and Reed richards are more powerful then those females
This scene made me hate this movie very much. No way Professor X would get killed so easily smh
“They will never know what you’ve sacrificed for them Wanda.” -Monica Rambo
It’s good to know that the MCU continues to pretend that Wanda did nothing wrong in WandaVision, which causes that line to become even more dreadful due to her actions throughout this film.
Definitely ruined her character
Agreed
It's even funnier thanks to this movie since Wanda actively possesses other Wandas [ruining her own life in other universes], forces them to murder people and flatout slaughtered the Iluminati.
I guess all she did was also fine.
Uhh what? That was just one dumbass character lol. Literally the whole of Dr Strange she was shown as an evil psycho.
I mean... she died, they knew they couldn't let her character survive because she had gone too far?? Idk what else you wanted them to do
For me, the most disappointing part was the defense of the Kharmitaj. Like we have wizards from every part of the country gathered up, and what magic do they use? Bows and Arrows apparently. And Strange was even shitting on Hawkeye in the previous scene, like did no one realise the irony? Imagine what sorts of cooler defenses and magic they could have employed to be used if needed… and especially Wong, the actual Sorcerer Supreme being treated like a ragdoll throughout the whole film, Strange can summon Hydras from his hands and Wong just… throws knives I guess.
I guess that's what the ancient one meant when she said "strange is the best of us" (sorcerer supremes) :lul, and kharmitaj and every sorcerer got nerfed after stranges death (and didn't power up when he came back), makes sense
what drives me crazy if those portals are perfect cutting tools, and they used them a grand total of one time for that purpose and not even on purpose. Thanos could have been cut in half in 2 seconds when they were doing the gang up on Titan.
I'd be okay with it if they were shown to actually be effective thanks to magic: instead Wanda somehow gets a direct hit from a cannon and somehow isn't scattered across the battlefield.
It was also just lame that Wanda was able to power through the defenses with absolutely no strategy or preparation. Have her attack it backed by demons she's been bringing in from other worlds instead: imply that she wouldn't have a chance on her own, but she's been tireless and completely unethical in preparing for this, and give us a good battle scene.
But magic just does literally whatever the plot demands in this movie, with extremely useful spells being done once and never again.
You are so right.
Costa Rica Chavez!!!! LMAO🤣🤣🤣
I was screaming internally during the movie, "Just find her a reality where her kids have no Wanda, easy" I'm glad you had the same thought Mr. Drinker, thanks for the video as always
Unless she uses Chavez's power, she can only dreamwalk into realities that have a living wanda. As drinker mentioned, she could have just asked nicely and I'm sure Chavez would have obliged. By this point though, her mind is captured by the darkhold so the thought probably didn't occur to her.
Wanda literally said she wanted Americas powers, in case her sons might get sick, the multiverse will have a cure.
@@halohunter111 Yeah, it's her crazy contrived way to justify her evil impulses.
@@halohunter111 And isn't that just convenient? Her entire character was butchered just for a bit of flashy noise for 2 hours. All of her complexity is waved away with a magic book so she can become a slasher villain with a one-dimensional "sympathetic" goal.
@@brycebitetti1402 You obviously dont know Wanda or what she represents in the comics or in the cartoons! Hell not even Dinker and it's laughable! The movie made sense yall just slow! 😂😂😂🤣
Wanda:"im not a monster im a mother". I'm surprised they didn't make her say. "I'm not a monster im a person with the capacity of pregnancy"
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Fr, but I guess they tried to hide "the woke" a bit.
"I'm a potentially birthing person who can chest feed just like anyone else can!" - Wanda
I love it when heroes stand around as a villain is killing one of them, so polite for the heroes to wait their turn.
I said the same thing. But let the men die first.
@@mikewerner6906 Yep, you're exactly right. That was glaring.
When did that happen?
@@Dragonage2ftw when she fought the Illuminati.
@@Dragonage2ftw Specific to this, is when Wanda kills Balckbolt and Mr. Fantastic and the rest just wait their turn to die.
I find it disappointing how Wanda is billed as having these mega reality altering powers but we only see them once in this movie (when she takes away that guy's mouth). The rest of the movie it's just her throwing red magic at everything.
@Fenrir uh… teleporting in there and not seeing her go in IS sneaking. Also the point was they were in a dead end and she knew they were waiting there behind the door. I do agree she could’ve kept busting through the doors but then we wouldn’t get that cool witch shot
@Fenrir yeah that I agree, besides she’s so powerful to instantly kill 2 of the Illuminati members but just decides to fuck around with strange?? Like bruh half the the time Doctor Strange gets away from Wanda on some bs. But also uh turning off my brain? No I just like to watch a fun horror movie and it doesn’t have to be serious. It’s not like another infinity war/endgame or no way home. Doctor Strange 2 is supposed to be the beginning of this story marvel is doing, of the multiverse going to shit. And me personally and a lot of people I know enjoyed it. It’s a damn MCU horror movie… when have we gotten that before? A lot of people are just disappointed because their expectations weren’t met. While other people have actual reasons. Sam Raimi has been known to be corny, and there was a lot of corny dialogue and scenes. And also some of the directional approach from Sam raimi are inspired from 90s witchcraft movies which can be seen as outdated but I personally enjoyed it. I know some people didn’t and that’s fine but now people are just finding any way to shit on it.
"that guys mouth" the blackbolt disrespectful from MCU fans is crazy 🤣 that's your first time seeing BB
@@FazeRustyNuts Dude can wipe out a city with ease if he actually screams (he rarely ever “screams”). Not to mention his most OP good dogo
No, there was a side door that she found. While they were staring at nothing she was just walking around.
My only issue with the film was the whole "Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat" claim. I was hoping this would lead to some kind of epic encounter with a really powerful evil Strange. Instead, we get third-eye introvert Strange who gets impaled on a fence.
who forgot to use his power to prevent him from impailing
It's the whole fuTurE is FeMAlE agenda by Marvel
one could expect more Marvel where in
men= weak, incompetent losers or just evil bad guys
women= strong, powerful, OP characters who are always right and reasonable
Classic writing mistake: all telling about the threat, never showing it.
"Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat", and we watched Scarlet was kicking his ass the whole movie, yet get lost by the power of believe in yourself bs. Feel like DR Strange is the side character in every movie that he was in.
Didn't the Ancient One say Strange is "the best of us" in Endgame?
Wanda saying she doesn't hurt anyone and she's not a monster at the end had me ROLLING. Jesus who allowed that in the final cut?
I've never really understood why some people defend Wanda so much. Like with WandaVision, they always use the excuse 'She was grieving' when she took an entire town hostage and defend her actions to the hilt. But in Hawkeye, where Clint is trying to atone for his mistakes and spend time with his family for Christmas, people say 'This is all your fault, just because you lost your family doesn't give you the right to go around murdering people. Others lost their family too!'. Couldn't the same argument apply? Is there something I'm missing?
Because she is a strong, independent woman who is damaged from the inside, please have some sympathy for her, she has lost everything and is the most broken character in the MCU right now🤣🤣
Yeah. Same people defending the red witch that rationalised the dragon mother woman burning an entire city to the ground with its population in game of thrones.
@@_carbon.acid_ shes not strong and independent if she needs to take other peoples lives to create her own. No excuses for psychotic behaviour please.
@@David-Field.Stuff01 My comment was supposed to be Sarcastic bro 😂😂
Most broken characters are Thor and Bucky, but they did not cry like bitch and enslave whole town
I'm starting to think the multiverse was a big mistake to bring into the MCU. Limitless possibilities are pretty insignificant in the long run considering we can only see one of those.
Before the multiverse, the MCU had at least some form of order or structure, but it kinda feels like with all these different universes and timelines they can literally pull anything they want without needing to explain it.
The Multiverse is a mess. And this movie is a prime example.
Also because in the end only one really matters. Not only in a story standpoint, but also from the audience's. Like sure is cool to see random bullshit dimension from time to time, but noone is going to chose the copies over the ogs. In spiderman it only worked because the other spiderman didn't exist for the multiverse, they were created as something separated and then got the chance to be integrated. Now is just going to be random shit created to impress the audience or the agenda and not to improve the story, like with an indian spiderman
yeah it's a huge double edged sword wen u bring in the multiverse
The multiverse in general has been a big mistake for Marvel since the 90s
Deaths pretty much mean nothing when you can bring that person from other world
When you watch Doctor Strange fights from other films, and then watch him fight Wanda, it really comes off like he just forgets most of his abilities. Seriously, why was he nerfed so bad here?
Because hes a white man, that's what Disney always does now
Can't have a white man beat a stunning and brave woman.
because stupid unstopable horror wanda aspect. this is why you dont mix horror and comci book movie or otherwise everybody except villain has to be nerfed. Of course that completely does not absolve creators because they could still have action better despite being horro like Aliens for example.
Strange definitely peeked at Infinity War. The creativity in his magical abilities and what he can do has been lost since then, and we only got a couple of little bits of that here.
Because Disney HATES men.
I remember hearing that Olsen wanted this to be her last MCU film. I guessing that talk happened right before writing and Disney just said, "Sure, but your character's going out like a psycho."
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I'm honestly afraid of how bad MCU films are going to get now before Disney realizes that they should have pulled the plug after Endgame and gone out on that high note
I do agree. With Endgame, at least they had a clear concise goal to work towards, with movies coming out that told individual stories but still allowing them to build to that movie. A few weren't really needed in the grand scheme of things, but at least they had somewhere to go with it all. Now in the post endgame Marvel Universe, they're just making shit without a really clear endgame. Hell, in the early MCU we knew pretty early on that Thanos was going to be a thing and part of the reason he worked so well is we had a little under a decade of buildup leading to him. Now it's like they only make product for the sole purpose of advertising even more product. The frames there, but the soul of what made it work in the first place is missing.
We went from seeing the avengers fighting Thanos to seeing a green lard twerking on screen, good job marvel!
This is Disney, the beast does not understand ‘ending’ something they can continuously use even if that IP has been killed off and lurched back from the grave a few times
Even this shitty film made close to a billion dollars. As long as this happens, the films will continue.
@pb.j
I HOPE that after the backlash over "The little (Wakanden) mermaid" & "Snow Brown", Disney will rethink their agendas.
But I doubt it. Disney probably will keep up their "torch the past" agenda until they bankrupt themselves.
Wanda: "I made mistakes and people were hurt."
Wanda's mind: "and I'll do it again"
Sort of describes Hollywood in a nutshell, doesn't it?
Oh no. Did I say that or just think it.
"I gotta think of a lie!"
To be fair, I'd rather she embrace her powers and go insane instead of having her head patted and being relieved her consequences. Like a lot of Wanda stans seems to still be doing. Lol
Generally her choices, although bad, are really understandable. She has very good motives for doing what she is doing. But that's not enough to justify her because these good motives are actually good... for the villain. Like with Thanos when we could understand why he did what he did but still knew it was horrible. It's because understandable motives are for villains. Heroes are the ones who choose to sacrifice himself DESPITE the fact that they don't have to. That's why Avengers were heroes - Strange never had to day countless times (we don't know how much it was. I could be 10 times, it could be 10 mln times). Cpt. America never had to sink himself into the ocean. Stark never had to snap...
So in the end I think that Wanda is pretty well written character... but as a villain. So as long as she is evil she does great job. What's wrong is that everyone tries to justify her and make her a hero while she is a great example that being a hero takes much more than having super powers. If they wanted a redemption for her it couldn't be in the blink of an eye. Just like with Loki who at first was only a great villain with understandable motives and only in the end he redeem himself by giving his live for a greater purpose.
@@tailedgates9 That's my issue, I WANT her to be some kind of villain protagonist who isn't afraid of staring at the abyss and not caring how people perceive her. Think about "Joker", the MCU would NEVER dare make a film like that, instead we should see Wanda as noble because she let go of human lives that didn't belong to her, and now as an excuse for her brutal actions in Multiverse of Madness "Uuuuh... It's an evil book that made me do it!"
FUCK OFF, FILM!
Wanda: “I made Mistakes And People We’re Hurt.”
Doctor Strange: “I didn’t watch your Disney Plus Show.”
😂😂😂😂 exactly what it was!!
Peter Parker: You don't know who I am, right?
Doctor Strange: Who are you?
Peter Parker: Great. Bye.
@LaVerdadEsMuyCatólica it really wasn't her movie lmao, like if anything, I felt like it was Wanda's movie more
And that's why I'll be skipping this one. And, no, I won't read the Wikipedia page on the show, either.
Strange was not brave enough to wach thats shit :D
So I'm not crazy. People have traveled through the multiverse before, but they need this girl to do it now for some reason. Also, given everything Wanda is shown to be capable of, I find it hard to believe dimension hoping is the one thing she can't do.
Well to be honest, they broke the MCU with the Avengers Infinity movies. They introduced way too much stuff way too fast for its own good.
1- Time travel
2- Cosmic beings with no limitations with no actual context or small fish - big fish power checks
3- Multiverse/Alternate realities
4- Power creep and no actual balance from 1 character to another.
If they really wanted to do Infinity war they should have just followed the Comic instead of making up BS and basically backing themselves up in a corner with the characters, there is a reason why all that stuff was introduced in specific series at different times in stages.
It also doesn't help the garbage woke BS they keep trying to nonsensically throw into these movies.
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 okay Feige
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 what woke B's?
@Parmesan Cheese Addict I love how I didn't ask you, yet you replied.
No those were time periods in the same universe u idiot not diff universes
I had hope for a great Doctor Strange movie that focuses on Doctor Strange, and some cool complex and smart extra-dimensional villain - because that's his job. He gave me a Sherlock Holmes of the MCU-vibe, with all his books and artifacts, his thinking everything through and seriously trying to outwit extremely intelligent beings above human comprehension - but none of that happened here. This was just "running after delusional insane narcissistic antisocial magic woman". There was nothing smart in this movie, and that it even dared to try to make me sympathize with this deluded unempathetic wretch is insulting to boot.
Well said, the worst marvel movie is phase 4 apart from externals
funny coz benedict cumberbatch has played sherlock holmes before (best representation of the character imo)
My favourite part of the movie is when her two moms got sucked through the portal. For whatever reason that was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while and it made me almost choke on my popcorn.
lmfao "my two moms" by itself is the fucking funniest shit ever
@@depthsofabjection because in the Chinese dub they are going to say "My mom and my Aunt" or Something like this
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 OMG you are probably right. I'd like to see what they do with the Chinese version. I wonder if this is why they made Wong the Sorcerer Supreme, to please the Asians?
bro dude same i fucking choked on my water
Don't forget that the trajectory of America's entire story is that she got scared of a bee lmao
America Chavez was the definition of a MacGuffin:
'an object, event, or character in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion despite usually lacking intrinsic importance.'
Sounds like Obi-Wan in ANH.
You mean she was the meaningless DIVERSITY
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Are you gonna whine anytime you see a nonwhite?
Couldn’t help but notice that
@@harrambou9468 It's not like it's anything new. Plenty of great movies do that.
The fact that they just turned wanda into this genocidal monster because she misses her kids is so weird
It was the dark hold.... That's what it has always done in the comics. She probably had the thought and left it at that but the book corrupted her and made her act on it
I mean, was Wanda ever actually good?
@@Orokovet this literally happened off screen bro, it’s bad writing
@@TuningAnApple yes
@@onouphrios it happened off screen because… we found out at the exact moment that Dr. Strange did. We weren’t supposed to have all the context. We found out when we did to show that she was already too far gone after reading the dark hold before she could’ve been talked down. And plus the end of WandaVision already showed enough. It’s only as bad as how you interpret it. It unfolding as what people consider “good writing” every time is what makes cliches
I still believe Agatha Harkness would have made a far more plausible, believable, and threatening villain than Wanda for this movie, especially given the writers clearly did not want to fully commit Wanda into a "villain" role.
Yeah but they used Wanda to get people to see a Wanda movie. Unfortunately since endgame MCU largely relies on cameos to get people to see the less popular movies
Remind us, how many children did Agatha have (but who didn't live in OUR universe)?
@@shuttittuppitt9355 There could have been way many more plausible motivations other than children. Truth is, the way they approached the children angle in the movie was rather inconsistent and varied slightly from scene to scene, so they didn't even use that plot point all that well in the end.
She's a TV actress though
@@quaest So was Ant Man, remember? People do make the jump to the big screen ( and vice versa) all the time.
Well...problem is, Wanda is one of the most broken Marvel characters. Her magic IS way off the charts and has no real limits iirc (House of M being the best example), which is why her skills are like a child's toy abilities: she will just add more and more to fit the situation. That's a big problem for the people making the movie. But indeed, she's being mishandled badly. Same for Doctor Weird, who seems like he lost some braincells after Infinity War.
Power creep.
Superman is now immortal when before, he jumped high.
Superman reminds me, marvel now has a superman problem. Wanda is so messed up powerful that she's superman now. Killing her off is the best solution right now but if she survives, I don't know what sort of paths the writers will take her (Hopefully House of M)
I really preferred Wanda when she could manipulate probability - that was an interesting power. Now she's one more character who can do anything and lacks any sort of wisdom, foresight or emotional intelligence. If they were going for a female superhero here, they only created a supervillain and lack the consciousness to recognize it. I don't recognize this Scarlet Witch that bears the name of the older more interesting character. If they wanted to pander to the folks who still claim that any extraordinary power comes from demons they're on their way.
Doctor Stranger's stupidity is actually bewildering at this point.
to me a character that has "no real limits" to his power is just a death sentence for any meaningful story. Yeah it's cool visually to make such a character, but in the end you end up wondering...well if he/she can do anything, then why don't she does X-Y from the start. And this...makes the whole story uninteresting.
"I'm not a monster; I'm a mother" - the most offensive line of dialogue in all of cinema history. Anyone associated with this terrible travesty of a film should hang their heads in shame. Same problems as Wandavision times by infinity. Phase Four showrunners seem incapable of learning from their horrendous mistakes.
Nah, there are dumber lines uttered by men in movies
I mean , she’s evil- that’s her mindset- I’m pretty sure that’s what the writers were tryna portray. She feels like she’s justified because she’s a mother and she’s do anything for her kids. Like people are upset at her lines , but she’s a villain and she thinks she’s right , so her dialogue is gonna be crazy shit like that.
@@ShadowSonic2 Really? I have a hard time believing that, do you have an example?
@@zissler1 "I think World War 2 just started!"
Josh Hartnett, Pearl Harbor
"I live my life a quarter mile at a time"
Vin Diesel, The Fast and the Furious
Anakin Skywalkers' stuff about Sand.
"I'm not a hero, I'm a drifter with nothing to lose"
Tom Cruise, Jack Reacher.
""MARTHA"!
Henry Cavill, Batman v Superman
"Trick or Treat, motherf***er!"
Busta Rhymes, Halloween Resurrection
I can keep going.
@@ShadowSonic2 Ok, myabe not the most intelligent, and I would still say none of them top that quote still, but let's say for argument's sake they do. They aren't both stupid and morally inexcusable, parading as a line that seeks to justify her in the movie.
If the “good book” give you anything you want, why didn’t Wanda just grab it when she had multiple opportunities and just give herself the power to travel the multiverse? Or use it to just give herself real kids?
In the movie, they say it gives you "what you need to defeat an enemy". Which itself is completely bullsh*t like how does that even work ?
It gives you what you need, not what you want.
@@blanchardmartin9921 I would argue multiverse travel would help her defeat them 👉🏻👈🏻
@@jamesgrieves2669 she clearly needs those kids cuz she’s crazy lol
Wanda had malicious intent because she was using the darkhold and it makes you evil
After WandaVision I thought they were going for a more anti-hero approach for Wanda as she doesn't act like a villain or hero (or vice versa: she acts a little bit like both). Some of the greatest characters in superhero writing are anti-heroes (Deadpool, Moon Knight in the comics, etc) and their complex/gray-area moralities just makes them that much more interesting. But then MoM happened and turned her into a villain who kills left and right but wait she's doing it for her kids so she's a "complex and sympathetic" villain! All that character development and for what? Why didn't you build on that, why make her another 1 dimensional character no one gives a rat's ass about?
You’re not supposed to empathize with her in this film. That ship sailed in WandaVision. I thought the ending made the fact that she was a monster pretty clear when her kids were scared shitless by the sight of her.
@@lep2525 we were supposed to feel empathy for her. Nobody ever blames her for her actions and are always telling us about her sacrifice. Doctor strange 2.0 parrotted it the entire movie . 2.0 because he clearly isn't the doctor strange I remember before no way home.
Reed Richards: hands down genius level intellect, probably most brilliant and strategic mind in the whole Marvel lore
Also Reed Richards: GO GO STRETCHY ARMS AND HOPE FOR THE BEST!
Well, that's comics accuracy for you.
Funnily enough, my 12-year old brother also said this exact thing
That's his powers. I can guarantee you in any comics, Reed Richards attacks someone, it's with his main ability to be strechy. It's a comic book movie, comics are outrageous when you present characters like Batman physically attacking Superman. But clearly you don't understand you need to ignore some logical issues within these movies.
Ironically that's pretty accurate to him
I really thought Scarlet Witch would summon Dwight Schrute to deal with Jim Halpert.
I feel like Doctor Strange should of had his own movie to focus more on him. And Multiverse of Madness would be the sequel to Wandavision like an Avengers level film so that way its kinda like House of M that it focuses more on Wanda against everyone. My main problem with the film was balancing out both of those two major characters and then throwing Chavez in there felt like a waste.
Which Chavez though? Mexico Chavez, pUERTO Rico Chavez?? There's so many
Same critique I had too. This was his first standalone film in years and he ended the film as the same person he was in the beginning. He lacked a character arc minus that ‘are you happy?’ Fluff the other characters kept pressing him about and his 3rd eye.
yes this. it's why the first one was so good
That's what they teased in all his trailers. It made it seem like the big problem was Doctor Strange. They made it seem like he was actually a big deal, what with the whole "the greatest threat to our universe is you," followed with the epic reveal of evil Doctor Strange. But no, he doesn't get to have any agency, he's just a hindrance to the true protagonist, Wanda, and an escort for the deuteragonist and McGuffin, America Chavez.
And evil Doctor Strange is just some castaway stuck in his own dimension, twiddling his thumbs until he gets taken out like a little b*tch.
@@b-0220 yes!!! I felt lied to! They also never showed America in the first trailers. I wouldn't have watched it if I knew she was in it from the start. It gave me a feeling that it was going to be another Hawkeye: a main character sidelined by some new kid
Dr Strange: Some archer with a mohawk won't be much help with interdimensional monsters.
Also Dr Strange: Uses archers to defend Kamar-Taj against Wanda.
@@thighguy4534 i wonder where are military and police was in Marvel.
@@naufaladryankusmana8128 Nowhere because fire arms and bombs could solve a lot of the problems really fast.
First they don't trust earth military
Watch that there's ONLY asgard sorcerer and wakanda military when strange summon a portal
NOONE wants to bother to ask earth military
Hell, asgard still have full arsenal of their military even though thanos and surtr wiped most if not all of them
Endgame is just glorious fan service smh, infinity war is better
@Thigh Guy They’re too busy fighting GoBays.
Okay, the whole "Puerto Rico Chavez" bit had me laughing out loud, but I feel obligated to say that America is actually a name for females, at least in Mexico. The whole stars and stripes jacket was a bit on the nose, especially when there wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything at all
I went into the movie knowing that there was a character named America but nothing else. When I saw here jacket I figured that was going to become Strange's nickname for her, not her real name.
I don't think he's arguing against the name itself? it's only turning distasteful when in American movie a young woman named America is wearing the US flag on her. I mean America doesn't equal US.
@@dohavename6775 It does in the US.
I think its what she wears in the comics.
"There wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything."
That's because she's from a DIFFERENT universe, & judging from her childhood flashback, that one probably didn't have a USA.
Surprised you didn't point out how easily Wanda dispatched the male members of the Illuminati while the female ones got to actually fight.
Because strong female character okay remember its apart of the bigger picture that is "THE MESSAGE".
Eh it‘s nitpicking. The female power shots in Endgame and Infinity War were worse. Besides, technically Charles was the last one left standing and arguably did the most (And was the nicest to Strange). I won‘t deny that it was probably the intention of the writers to drive that point home, but it wasn‘t really that bad.
I'd understand if discount captain Marvel got to fight---at least considering the type of powers that she has. But discount Captain America? How do Reed Richards and Black Bolt get killed, but a character who can only fight melee does not?
@@sherlyn.a Guess Wanda wanted a fair fight for the non-powered one (well if steroid enhancements count as powers) XD idk honestly.
It makes sense that captain marvel survived as long as she did because she also had the powers of an infinity stone (even tho she was killed by a statue falling on her) but there’s no way Captain carter could have lasted just as long.
2:37 - 2:51, because making a _strong female character_ want to bring her kids back to life is not as _problematic_ as seeing a woman pine after a man.
Always good to see you, especially here!
Lol not even a man. A fucking robot.
It's funny because Sam Raimi made MJ pine so hard for Peter in the OG Spidey Trilogy
HIT THE NAIL ON THE PROBLEMATIC HEAD.
@@JohnDoe-gt3jr kinda. She was with 3 different guys in those movies. Even cheated on Peter.
I learned that Chavez fears bees, had 2 moms that she inadvertently killed (?), punches hard, can open multiverse portals, and (of course) knew how to use her powers all along. That's about it. No real character development. She was basically a plot device.
You must have been pissed that Luke Skywalker could finally use the Force at the end of ANH to destroy the Death Star.
@@ShadowSonic2 wrong starkiller walks out of doctor strange portal and chokehold entire universe while Luke skywalker is banging his sister on the death star
What type movie did you see 🙌🏻
@@KyriToe I saw the one where Luke can't use the Force the entire movie until the very end.
@@ShadowSonic2 uh why? Because we got to know him?
@@BB-ed4om Because he can't use the Force till the very end and then uses the Force to save the day. It's a classic Hero trope.
Doctor Strange. He's almost a secondary character in his own movie. It's more about Wanda and Latina Americana than about him.
It's kinda weird how they've been doing that in their recent shows. Hawkeye was basically about Kate Bishop and setting up Echo. The Mandalorian and damn near every other character sidelined Boba Fett in his show, Obi-Wan was side-lined in his show for the inquisitor lady. Fuck, even the Mando got hit with this in Season 2 of his show, where he was more often than not sidelined for other characters with upcoming shows. It's like the shit Marvels pumping out is a really elaborate advertisement for another show that will most likely be an elaborate advertisement for yet another show and so on and so forth.
Got a feeling that Blade is gonna be the only good movie coming out of phase 5. Ant man and gotg will be a Thor 4 and doc 2 repeat, the marvels will be DOGSHARTS, Captain America will be WOKE, and thunder bolts will be suicide squad 2016.
I would say it felt like a children's show, but I distinctly remember episodes of teen titans and Ben 10 with more depth and a coherent story
The Apprentice episodes, Raven's fatalistic pre-suicidal day, episode where Starfire travels into the future and finds team disassembled... Ah, and the entirety of Terra's arc.
Those two cartoons have far more depth than many film series. They’re so solid.
@@tiffanypersaud3518 straight facts. the original ben ten shows were goated. although the new rerun on cartoon network is complete trash
Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes had more depth and more coherent stories that this bullshit movie.
There’s an episode of I believe the Superman animated series where the death of one cop, ONE, makes Superman fly to apokolips to fight Darkseid.
And it was treated like a huge deal.
1:22 America
1:31 Puerto Rico
2:20 Nicaragua
3:22 Costa Rica
3:38 Guatemala
4:26 Venezuela
5:18 Honduras
6:06 Bolivia
6:22 Peru
6:42 Wanda Maximoff memorial tour
12:26 Colombia
13:03 Mexico
This was Hilarious I’m no longer calling her America Chavez
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was looking for this 😂😂
@Robert Monroe no he didn´t after Colombia comes Mexico :D :D
13:02 Mexico
It really bothered me that you find out Chavez's "origin" and then it's never really addressed again. Would have been interesting seeing Wanda and America traveling the multiverse together. One a child looking for her mother and a mother looking for her children. Would have made Wanda's turn more impactful for me while also getting to know America a bit more.
That actually would have been a cool way to end it.
I personally don't understand why they keep beating the House of M dead horse when mutants aren't even really in the MCU and shattering Wanda's reality caused over half the mutant population to either die or lose their powers.
..and maybe also having Strange play the role of temporary dad for Chavez and work husband to Wanda and eventually learn that it might be worth it for him to put down the mantle & "knife" and have a family with Christine. At least you could create an internal debate and tension for the movie's supposed main character. (Although I woupd prefer having Christine along for the adventure, and having Strange and Christine paired up as dad and mum for a bit, tempting Strange to settle down).
Yeah, but then they'd have to make America Chavez a good, interesting character. Too much work for these writers.
This is stranges film
I like how Drinkers intoxication level is noticeably different in every video depending on just how much he had to drink to get through it.
gotta love when movies push the anti capitalistic message, while also wanting to make as much money as possible off it
Even ardent communists only support that ideology because they believe they will be among those that wealth would be redistributed to rather than from. No less venal than a capitalist
Everyone’s saying the part about food being free is “anti-capitalistic” and I feel like people are stretching for that, if it’s saying ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING (Which even then it’s a stretch) it’s that basic Commodities needed to survive shouldn’t be made Inaccessible for those who can’t afford them
@@acemagalor2519 Yes, that's anti-capitalistic, because someone has to work to make those basic commodities, and saying everyone is entitled to them means forcing the person making them into slavery to make them for everyone if you are saying they shouldn't be able to not afford them. The entirety of human existence is about doing whatever you can to eke out a living off the land by whatever means necessary. Capitalism built a society that allows us to do it with so little effort, and the demanding of things for free will put us right back to scratching out a living off the land and harder shorter lives. I got my land and reserves though, so I'll laugh all the way down.
@@acemagalor2519 Insane how feeding human beings is "anti-captialistic" now
There's nothing contradictory about that. If you can make more money by saying things people want to here, then you're better off doing so, even if that message is "stop making more money".
A lot of reviewers seem to only be talking about the positives of this movie like Sam’s direction which I liked as well, but the laughably bad writing/story really drags what could have been a good movie down.
I went into it with low expectations and had a good time. Just treat marvel movies like big budget B movies and have fun with it. Most of the comics didn't take themselves too seriously to begin with.
@@augustsawzak5401 yeah the marketing oversold the movie.
Looks like the studio messed up the script considering their history of what was shoehorned in iron man 2, the deleted stuff in the Hawkeye series and the last minute additions to Shang chi.
And considering the crew which made the movies haven't ever done such messily written movies. So I guess it's the studio diluting it into a shallow blockbuster.
@@augustsawzak5401 your comment is the reason why the mcu keeps getting away with this kind of trash
@@augustsawzak5401 I wish I could, but it’s hard to enjoy myself when I’m cringing every 5 seconds.
TH-camrs expected this movie to be a masterpiece and now they desperately trying to sugarcoat this all time disappointment. But they have no problem trashing Shang-Chi which is objectively a better film. It's all about their narratives. There's no such thing as honest opinion anymore.
The fact that "A Kevin Feige Production" was more prominent than "A Sam Raimi Film", points to where the issues mostly lie.
I went into this hoping for a Raimi movie, but it felt like only about 10% of it carried his DNA.
If Sam Raimi had full control of this project, then we could have gotten a much darker & serious film, with better writing as well.
That Start-Speech of C-Drinker sums it all up. I want to extra-mention the amount of Plot HOles though and say: Not just Wanda's
Ability were undefined but ALL Rules of Magic. I couldnt ever feel Tension because
Everything could happen.
I didn’t even know he directed the movie until the end credits. But it felt like a Raimi film the whole way through for me and then it all clicked when the credits rolled.
The Bruce Campbell cameo was totally a dead giveaway but, I’m also kind of slow.
#FiegeShouldHaveLeftAfterEndgame
@@HipsterKhan yeah, it is becoming fairly clear to me that many anti MCU commenters are just using Sam Raimi as a stick to beat this film with .. because this was very much a Sam Raimi film in the confines of the MCU, which is how it should be. There MUST be an element of control from Feigi in order to weave what continuous story they can in the MCU .. if you don’t like that, then take it up with Sam Raimi who agreed and is getting paid to direct this film.
But regardless, if you don’t see Raimi’s fingerprints all over this film, you’re probably just pretending to know what a Sam Raimi film is.
i got as far as chavez and strange jumping to a new universe.
the stupid puke gag and making Dr.strange look goofy cause he "didn't think a different universe had different rules."
could have been a fun scene bounced off of almost ANY OTHER CHARACTOR.
but strange has not only handled similar shit before, but is like you pointed out, practically defined by his wisdom and foresight.
As someone who's read an America Chavez comic, trust me on this Drinker, I mean it: her having as little personality as possible is the absolute _best_ thing you can do for any movie she's in.
The actress must have cook a lot of creampies to the executives to work there.
For an ignorant man like myself, can you explain why?
Please elaborate :)
@@khawajarafay5415 What is wrong with her, in the comics, is pretty much everything that The Drinker just listed as being wrong with Wanda in this film, but ten times worse!
Honestly, I was amazed by how they managed to make her bearable in this film, I previously though it would be impossible.
But then again, I thought Captain Marvel was as bad as it could get, only to have this film show me that other, OTHER Captain Marvel who is even more unlikable!
So I was impressed twice during the film. I wasn't expecting that. 8 out of 10, will watch again!
@@khawajarafay5415 she's the embodiment of every SJW and LGBT+ in her comics. And to top it off. Really badly written!
Charles: "If I had a penny for every time a redhead with uncontrollable godlike power killed me... I'd have two pennies. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice."
Wandas a redhead?
You gotta admit, wanda made for a better Phoenix than the X-Men movie versions
Who else can hear Picard's Charles saying that deadpan?
Well, considering how many times Prof X has been killed off now, it seems he's trying to go after Sean Bean's record? :P
Two peanniesies? Probably a way to make amend for him having no legs... 😁
My biggest issue is that you can have a villain with a faulty logic, but treat it as such. Not only is wandas logic, and methods, extremely faulty and immoral, but the world and its characters don’t treat it like that, they act like it’s justifiable when it’s not. We as an audience are being swayed to support multiple characters that we just don’t agree with. Friendly reminder that Civil War literally tackled this topic already
Yeah civil war. When the scenario wants you to accept the flawed logic of captain america by making him right at the end even when he was selfish and irresponsible during all the movie…
I don’t really think the movie is trying to do that. Everyone is scared of Wanda and many of these people are trying to stop her. No one other than strange tries to sympathize with her. And isn’t that the point of the main hero? Besides, they try to talk her out of her villainy for 2 reasons. One, Wanda is way too overpowered to just beat up and be done with it. And two, beating up Wanda to defeat her would be so anticlimactic for a character who’s been around for seven whole real life years now.
@@DarkSpartanFTW That's why it sucks that somehow she redeemed herself while the whole movie depicts her as a selfish person. At least Thanos keeps going
How does the movie want us to root for wanda? The movie is actively pointing out that she wants to murder a child. I think you’re missing the point
@@jgamer2057 Nah, the movie is definitely trying to make you sympathize with her. She's repeatedly being told that her actions weren't "that bad" and in the end she "chooses the right thing to do". It's not full on pity mode, but there's definitely some stuff that's irksome. What she DOES is horrible, but the way she (and many others) ACTS is often not. She just wants to be "a" mommy after all -.-
One of the strangest things for me was how Professor X just died so easily. I though he was supposed to be the most powerful mind reading power dude around. What’s the point of Professor X if he’s getting bodied at his own power? And it’s not like he’s convincing anyone to stop their evil wrongdoings, so that doesn’t count either. And why is the ultimate team, the Illuminati, getting tossed into the garbage like a rotten tomato in the first place?
That Illuminati scene made me question everything in this movie…like why is Dr. Strange was getting sidelined in his own movie? What is this, Scarlett Witch: Multiverse of Madness? And not to mention how ridiculous her reasons are for being a murderous psychopathic maniac and just how incredibly inconsistent and overpowered her powers are. It was extremely obvious how much plot armor the “main characters” had. She could instantly kill just about anyone who isn’t Dormammu or Dr. Doom and whoever else is around that power level. Like, here we have Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic getting folded in 2 seconds, and then this random girl with a striped jacket is somehow escaping from Wanda every single time they meet, and beating her up using the ol’ one-two tactic at the end?
The scaling of the MCU is absolutely insane and all over the place. Why is a random girl - who just showed up - using a Darkhold powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Scarlett Witch as a punching bag all of the sudden?
There’s so many things wrong with this movie, but I’m going to leave it at that. Let’s just say that after I watched this movie, my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.
Wanda has been a problem in the Avengers for 40 years. The same issues mentioned about this movie have been a longstanding issue in the comics. Her powers gone bad led led to M-Day when almost every mutant lost their powers. She has led to the destruction of the Avengers. Yet, she's always forgiven and allowed back into the fold.
To be honest even from a story telling perspective she is a issue. Her powers have no real limit. As in if she has a psychotic break she could erase all life in the universe ALMOST as well as the Infinity stones. From a story telling perspective that is a serious issue. Top this off with a character that is at best schizophrenic with how often and major her mental changes with a good deal of other mental issues on top and she breaks the world building hard.
Pretty white women get away with a lot of awful things. Maybe the buck stops with Amber Heard.
@@x1mjp1x I don't know if OP was talking race-wise, but you are right. And I hope Amber "doodoo" Heard gets what she deserves.
Hawkeye must be shaking his head right now.
@@x1mjp1x Probably. But comic Wanda is so powerful that you would be dumb not to enlist her for help against some REALLY big threats, especially when she wanted to help.
This felt like a Standalone Scarlett Witch Film more than a Doctor Strange sequel.
U are fucking right
The message.
It is tho. This is more of WandaVision season 2 than it is a Doctor Strange sequel. The movie was more of focusing on Wanda's obsession with her kids and America's power than with the Multiverse and some plot threads of the first DS movie was completely ignore like Mordo being the villain in the post credit scene, where the hell is he in the MCU? All of the sudden we see a variant of him in another universe?? so the title was kinda misleading, it's more of Scarlet Witch in the Multiverse of Madness
Well, disney+ keep sidelining all their male leads so it wouldn't surprise me
@@Erasureeraser Wanda’s not real kids, that is. That she tortured hundreds, thousands over for weeks, and (we think) murdered their pets? And aren’t totally sure what she did to the kids
Missed plot opportunity: Take Strange to a universe that's perfect for him, including Christine wanting to be with him, maybe a universe where a version of Stephen Strange and Christine were married & had kids (but that version of Strange died) and have him renounce it willingly to go back, because he has to stop Wanda, save America & the twins. Have him mirror what Wanda had been through would've been one hell of a motivation... and one hell of a good reason for Wanda to scream at Strange that he's a hypocrite.
Also, I don't understand why they wasted the few scenes they had with Christine for Strange to clearly show he's still deeply in love with her, but have Christine fart from the mouth, instead of giving a clear answer to a man she's, at the very least, still friends with. Why was it so hard for them having Christine tell Stephen that their lives were simply on different paths, that she couldn't be with him because she would have to put her entire life on hold just to wait for him like a Pomeranian waiting for its owner to come home and she didn't want to waste her potential like that? It happens: sometimes two people have feelings for one another, but it just can't work, so they move on... If they wanted Christine to not want Stephen in her life, anymore, because he had been too much of a selfish, arrogant jerk before, why have her invite him to the wedding? It would've have been so easy to have Strange just peek at the wedding from a café across the street, heart broken to watch Christine marry someone else and go with that.
The Devil is in the details and there were tons of tiny details, like the exchanges with Christine, that just didn't work.
For your first paragraph: We're already seen shows and movies do this, a lot of them. While the impact is good and it makes sense, it's just a cliche plot.
It's as simple as, these people have their heads way up the... fandom asses, so they felt the need to both "provide new content for the ship" and be assholes about it (they cannot be together IN ANY POSSIBLE UNIVERSE) to content the people that want "edgy" and none of that syrupy stuff. It's extremely weird to me because the first DS did close that plotline. Christine goes back to the ER, Strange goes back to saving the world. It's a goodbye kiss. So it's really just for the sake of money, as everything in the MCU is now.
"Squid monsters are the first step in establishing a good working relationship". I can feel a Critical Drinker entry into the management consultancy book market coming.
One thing I found confusing was how the alternate captain marvel was launched into a wall at high speeds, then came back without a scratch, but then she died when a statue fell on her.
She didn't have her powers anymore when the statue fell on her.
@@Carabas72 Ahh, someone else did say Wanda absorbed her power. Not really something they cued well.
Wanda siphoned her power before hitting the Rock
Wanda drained her power before dropping the statue on her, when she was thrown into the wall she had her power.
Yep Wanda syphoned her power.....in less than 4 seconds.......think about that.......ya yet it takes her how long to even attempt this against America......gotta have her walk slow and menacing like first.....ya know.....for the trailer 🤣🤣🤣 this movie did Wanda and Strange dirty. I wish the suits kept their hands off it and let Raimi do what he does. It's so disjointed you can literally see which scenes the execs demanded while basically saying "don't kill anyone important!" 🤣🤣🤣
The fact that Wanda's power is undefined, and so she can do whatever the script requires her to do is a bit annoying.
Wanda Mary Sue Maximoff
Thanos part 2? But this time, women?
her power is reality warping they are just really shit at showing it and don't feel like taking the moral implications of twisting realty to fit your whims on a dime so instead they just give her random powers with no explanation and try to justify her actions honestly i could see that being a really good horror movie of her slowly changing reality and only one person recognizing with every one else just viewing it as completely normal
Yeah just magical bullshit powers.
She can do anything until the script says she can't.
I noticed that when Wanda kills the Illuminati, Black Bolt and Reed Richards are killed outright with no legitimate effort to fight back.
But Captain Carter and Captain Marvel put up a much better fight. That was bothersome.
It’s woke bs
Movies are now for lonely housewives apparently.
Mary Sue beats up two Mary Sues.
Not just that the male deaths are more graphic and shown while the female are less so. Carter may have been cut in half but we only see a bloody shield and her "top half" fall (could have shown her legs fall with the cut out of frame and her top half fall in front of the camera with the cut out of frame) and Marvel get "crushed" by a statue (she's fine going through a wall though) where her hand just falls, no blood pooling.
And don't forget Ms. America Chavez putting up a good fight too. This movie had Disney preaching to us throughout. From the pin she wore on her jacket, and having 2 mothers, and even her name itself. Disney is garbage. Bunch of groomers.
I find it pretty interesting that when Wanda finds Dr Strange in the alternate dimension, she immediately kills both of the men with ease, and yet somehow struggles to fight the two women, one of them significantly less powerful (Captain Britain, who has much less options) than the two men. I wonder if they’re trying to tell us something…?
@@wbwbc89 Yeah black bolt is the one of the most op characters in existence. He still got a mob character ending.
@@iambatman.5894 bro i remember watching that clip on shorts and i felt so angered and disappointed in the movie.
I can only imagine Sam Raimi repeating in his head through the entire shoot, like a mantra, “Just get through this and they promised they’d fund another Evil Dead.”
With Bruce Campbell standing next to him saying “We’re gonna get through this Sam, it’s all gonna be Ok, just think of how many deadite costumes and chainsaws we’ll be able to afford!”
@Jay Brent I read it was number 4 but Bruce not acting in it but is producing it?
Who will fund it? Disney?
Drinker.....I've been on Marvel since Ironman 1 and I have to agree with your analysis of the now" Marvel Formula" that is stifling the directors. I would have LOVED to see a true Sam Raimi rated R Doctor Strange.
#releasetheraimicut
That probably would have made it worse. I mean, he hasn't worked on anything big in like a decade. He was very rusty, that obviously apparent. I personally think Marvel fucked up by bringing him in.
Marvel has lost its touch for me. I dont watch many of their new projects nowadays
"Oh no, she's chasing us! Let's stop for 15 seconds for no reason...oh crap there she is!" Also why is she running at them in glass covered feet even though she can fly? "Shush! JUST CONSUME!!"-Disney
Seriously this movie suffered most because of horror aspsect of Wanda being unstopable monster. I love this movie however plot holes were very obvious with no big epic scenes to distract
1) Why Dr. Strange let fodder wizards get slaughtered if he knew that he himself is no match for Wanda. It would make more sense make run for it from the get go, rather than let many of his subordinates die for nothing. That man can open portal to different plantes for christ sake!!
2) Why Strange, Wong and America are just waiting for Wanda to come out from the reflections. Dudu you can literally move the entire room start doing something!!!
3) Also bet that forgotten spell was never used before NWH and will never be used after because it would solve a lot of problems.
4) Wizards using guns and arrows against Scarlet Witch was some Battle of Winterfell dumb shite!
5) I am just wondering what are exactly limits of Wandas powers. Because reality warping would mean she could give herself Americas powers without needed her. Also I love how during final fight she conveniently forgots she can change memories on whim. ¨
Love the movie but its definetly controversial one.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 make Wanda forget about her fake ass kids and boom.
*horror movie logic
😂😂 when I left the movie that was one of the first things I complained with my husband. Totally inconsistent
It's based on superheroes from Marvel Comics.
You're nitpicking when there's a ton of shit in the MCU that wouldn't have even happened if anyone had common sense. It's for teens and marvel fans.
Wanda: you gave the power stone to Thanos.
Strange: Yeah... to win. It was the only way... literally.
Wanda: So...
Time stone, but yeah.
We needed so many more lines about that "this is the only way" line. Thanos points out that Strange never tried to use the Time Stone despite it having the ability to permanently trap someone in a time loop. He did it to himself and Dormammu. Have one of the other characters tell him to use it, and have Strange say something like "last time I did that I died 1000 times. I won't subject you to that". But that also doesn't work because he tried to use it against Ebony Maw when he was in significantly less danger
Actually, that could have been interesting if Strange had trapped Thanos in a time loop, but after dying thousands of time, it turned out that Thanos was more committed to his goal than Strange was and Strange couldn't take the insanity anymore and had to find a different way to kill him.
I was actually pleasantly surprised they made Wanda into a villain. After all her immoral actions in Wandavision with the attempts to make us sympathize with her, I was happy to see her portrayed as a ruthless villain here.
Kind of confusing though; "She's learned a lesson...nah, just fuckin' with ya!"
And yet still tried to garner sympathy for her at the end because she "did the right thing." I don't think the MCU knows what it's doing with these characters.
@@mowgli6345 How's that any different than how FOX kept trying to make us feel sorry for Magneto?
@@ShadowSonic2 They didn't even say that.
@@ShadowSonic2 Magneto had a much more valid reason of hating human beings discriminately after they try to discriminately hunt and kill his kind for no good reason with even governments allowing it but let Spider-Man / Thor / and Captain Marvel run around.
It’s funny how Di$ney pushes this message that almost everything is free in other universes, but they charge an arm & a leg to go their theme parks in real life. They also charge around a 500% markup on their food and drinks as well, which is 66% higher than a standard markup for food & drinks that places normally charge.
Ya, no hypocrisy there, huh Di$ney?
Hurts is QB1, baby!
I guess you missed that joke. She thinks food is free because she's had to scavenge or forage for food but, the minute she says it...the foods not free in this universe. It's just childish criminal behavior.
@@bromododragon2252 hasn’t he been Qb1
@@thebman02 Yeah but this guy obnoxiously spams how much he wants Kenny Pickett
The reason capitalism is so successful is in part because it can turn it's critique into a product.
Disney is no hypocrit - it's literally selling the idea of anti-capitalism to make a profit, knowing full well people will pay to see this utopia, while doing fckall to achieve it. To them, this is as much a fiction is Dr. Strange fighting the squid-monster. It's the same with "the message" - just a list-item to check for marketing, not something the people behind it actually care about or fight for beyond polishing their image.
Neither are actual convictions behind the scenes and thus both are implemented so fking bad.
One thing that really annoyed me is when the alternate Earth's Avengers underestimated Wanda. Like, these guys beat Thanos on Titan, meaning their universe's Thanos never managed to assemble all the Infinity Stones. You'd think the people who accomplished that would never underestimate Wanda in a million fucking years, especially given how they're talking to our universe's Dr. Strange, who also defeated Thanos, and yet he thinks Wanda will kick his arse. That should be an immediate red flag that Wanda is a Thanos level (or even worse) threat who's about to walk through their front door, and they practically laugh in Strange's face when he tells them to take her seriously. Like no fucking wonder this universe's Strange used the Darkhold to try and defeat Thanos. Evidently everyone else besides maybe Professor X was completely fucking useless.
Because they needed to have one cool 'hip and inclusive' scene after the two Illuminati men died easily and the two women could fight Wanda in epic combat. Shit writing tbh
@@pablovirus I think it was more to show how the illuminati were arrogant. That being said, captain carter survived for far too long comparitively
Although technically wouldn't that have made them overconfident? They easily defeated the Mad Titan. And Reed Richards was all like "Blackbolt could just incinerate you right now with one word." So it makes sense that they would go in expecting to win. Especially since their Wanda had never displayed that level of power in their universe since she never went crazy in that one.
@@pablovirus Honestly, what the heck was Mr. Fantastic going to do anyways? He's a street level hero at best and the weakest of the Fantastic 4. The female heroes that were left lasted as long as they did because after watching 2 of their team get killed they no longer underestimated Wanda.
@@Ace_of_Horns I don't know, but tbh, that's the writers' problem, not mine. If Wanda was capable of bending reality to her will so as to erase someone's mouth without any effort there's no excuse for her no to be able to, say, blind the remaining Illuminati on the spot. Her unexplained powers lead to bad writing and nonsensical fight scenes with inconsistent spikes and dips in her power level. Maybe the source material (comics) are equally bad? IDK about that
The way you said fuck off film this time, I could feel your anger in that pause😂😂
Wanda: Loses brother in Age of Ultron but does the right selfless thing in the end
Also Wanda: Turns evil for imaginary children
Woman moment
Woman moment (2)
Woman moment (4)
The message is that women should not have kids in the first place, because they get disturbed by it and commit crimes. That is obviously nonsense but it is The Message
Woman moment(5)
I've seen people defend Wanda's weak motivation of wanting her imaginary kids to be real, by comparing it to Kingpin's motivation in Into The Spider-verse, saying his was considered okay because "it's a man".
The difference between them is that Kingpin's family was REAL. He went through the pain and suffering of losing real people. He wants to undo the end of someone real.
Meanwhile Wanda just wants to live in her own "real-life" fanfiction of her imaginary children.
Seems like a bit stronger of a motivation for Kingpin to me.
Well also Kingpin is undoubtedly the villain of the movie, and even his family died because of their shock and horror at his actions. The movie and writers didn't try to paint him out as anything but a villain, his tragedy was entirely his own.
Also also, if she was so happy living with imaginary husband anf kids, why not make it again on her new Hex?
There's NO ACTUAL REASON for her life on her new massive deforestation Hex to not be perfect with kids and a Vision
Also, Kingpin is THE VILLIAN where Wanda is portrayed as a SeLfLeSs HeRo
If Scarlet Witch got into a different universe, that Wanda might actually appreciate the help to take care of the kids. An extra Wanda to help clean up, an extra Wanda to read the kids to sleep, an extra Wanda to help around the house, etc. As for the husband, I'm sure he could think of something that rhymes with gleesome
Actually this film is fairly based if you look at Wanda's motivation. After all here's a woman who could be the most powerful being ever, but all she wants is to be a soccer mom.
I never saw Wandavision but that “you’re the one with the guns, director” line to a man trying to save a town full of people from a monster with super powers you just showed makes me so glad I didn’t ever check it out…
Isn't that just a despicable line? She's got red energy coming out of her hands... and can tear people apart with her mind but hey, he's got a gun. What is going on in Hollywood?
@@kathleenhensley5951 The entire show is about how she’s misguided and wrong. We’re not supposed to wholly agree with anything she does.
It’s a shame you’d boycott an entire show off of one line you didn’t like. People in general say some weird and misguided things, and she’s portrayed as deluded in the show. So even if it’s a poorly written line, it fits within her delusional viewpoint. She doesn’t have a valid argument and thus must grasp at straws. Reminds me of my crazy ex.
I enjoyed Wandavision quite a lot, but to each their own.
the first few episodes are enjoyable then it shits the bed
@@micahwright5901 if the entire premise is about her misguided nature then why does the show pretend Wanda didn't do anything wrong why is the audience sympathiesing with her.
"You are the ones pointing guns at me" etc is actually the most realistic thing about real world villains - deny and reflect back even the most obvious accusations.
Plus the entire context of WandaVision is that she was struggling with a mental breakdown. Soon after killing her man vision to try to stop Thanos, he turned back time and tore Vision's head, killing him, again. She soon retreated into her own world and created a fake neighborhood, and fake family life in a psychological break.
She wasn't being reasonable about the guns, and her fake Vision husband had to convince her to let him, and the fake kids go. When your fake husband has to show you reality, you're struggling.
This movie has some great moments in it.
The problem is, you have to watch the rest of the movie before and after those moments end.
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finally it's here.
I wish the plot saw Strange deal with the multiverse collapsing after his spell in NWH.
With Nightmare as the villian.
@@anubusx The thing is, Strange probably doesn't remember that much of that. He doesn't even know who Peter Parker is anymore.
@@anubusx I honestly thought Nightmare was gonna be the villain when this film was announced but honestly, Olsen's performance was probably the best I've ever seen from her, so I'm ok with it.
@@maddexulanowski1184 I was hoping that Dr. Strange 2 would focus more on Dr Strange than Chavez or Wanda. Marvel has been getting a little comfortable with shoe-horning in tertiary characters to set up new movies and franchises and ignoring the main fking character we all wanted to see that movie was named after. Olsen's acting was fine but I wouldn't call her performance actually moving, or scary, or intimidating. The trailers also revealed too much. Once the movie started I knew exactly where the movie was going and what was going to happen because they showed too much from the movie in the trailer.
The fact that they still refuse to hold Wanda accountable for her actions is enough reason for me to avoid this film. It's utterly insane and borders on parody at this point, like the writers are doing it just to spite us now.
Why take his word for it?
Oh, they've been doing that since Phase 3.
Give it a watch because it is still good as he said if you do not think about the plot too much. Just the visual spectacle is worth it and there are plenty of sites to watch it free when the cam version changes to the proper version.
How do you hold someone he is so powerfull acountable. Why can’t people just enjoy a villain?
They can do whatever the hell they want. They know you dumbasses are going to pay to see any superhero movie they shit out no matter what.
Also, plot hole... in the first Strange movie, Mordo says that sling rings open portals that allow travel through the multiverse. Oops!
Don’t recall that being said.
@@uajrh1 I suggest you watch it again. The scene where they train sling rings.
Can confirm he says that, just went to check, good spot
Oh snap ^^ now thats some worthy trivia.
He was on about the different dimensions, like the mirror dimension or dark dimension. They do use the term "multiverse" so it confused me too, I'd put it down to marvel doing retcons about what the multiverse is
I interpreted Chavez taking food as a joke that she’s been inadvertently shoplifting across the multiverse and didn’t notice until now.
Ever since his first solo movie and Infinity War (hell, even his cameo in Ragnarok!), Dr. Strange's character has done a complete 180. This movie and No Way Home basically wouldn't happen if he was still the Dr. Strange from his first couple of appearances.
It's like they want him to be the new Tony Stark, but Tony Stark is supposed to be a mad scientist. His whole shtick is being a modernized take on the mad scientist trope. He's supposed to be performing constant experiments, some of which are miraculous, some of which explode in his face. Doctor Strange is supposed to be wise.
It’s called character growth he didn’t even care about Christine in the beginning but he learn to care for others
I really liked "No Way Home", but I had some big gripes with the movie and one of them was that it made Doctor Strange into an idiot so the story could happen. There are plenty of other ways they could have made the "multiverse leak" happen without doing that, but you know, males aren't allowed to be competent any more.
@@MarsM13 That's why the MCU (were it worth anything now) needs Reed Richards. He's a classic example of the hyperfocused scientist who lets his passions for solving the problem overshadow other important situations. I think it's no coincidence that a number of "What If?" stories from back in the day had him basically becoming a villain. But I have no hope that we'll ever a Fantastic Four movie that does the characters justice and captures the feel of the "World's Greatest Comic". The 2000s movies weren't very good, but they got some things right. If anything, the Corman movie captured the feel of the comic better than anything since and could have been quite good if it had been given a budget.
@@MarsM13 Dude ..I was thinking the same ...Strange is the new Tony Stark now
My gripe is how at the end of Wandavision we hear her sons calling out to Wanda for help suggesting to me at least that they did in fact survive but are lost in the multiverse. Having Wanda trying to find her Earth 616 sons would have been a more palatable (and logical) plan which still would have allowed us to see Wanda be a chilling villain.
The darkhold manipulates the bearer, like the One Ring from LotR
No no, she did found her son, but she can't bring em to her or bring herself to them bcs of THEY ALL ARE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSE
It's like kingpin tried to bring her wife and son from another universe. But instead of try to bring themself in, Wanda try hard to suck chavez power (which we don't know whether it would kill it or not) so she bring herself to her child
...... Or so Wanda thought, bcs that's clearly what the demon thinking.
@@matheusd.rodrigues429 True, but the movie does not give you a true sense of that. Like if the book was destroyed and then Wanda "wakes up" a bit to see what she is doing. Nope. We don't get that. The logic Drinker points out is pretty strong about "where is the dad" and "why not just ASK to be taken there"
@@marcryan71 I agree, the movie is bad and it should feel bad. I just love Wanda so I'm doing my best to not be so disappointed haha
I just wanted a doctor strange vs wanda solo battle where he actually shows his full powers like against thanos. Even if he loses it would still have been more satisfying then getting sidelined in the final battle. Doctor strange's third eye looks so horrible I hate it and hope that they remove it. Also what the hell was that one flashback with the illuminati the background green screen made me want to stop living.
My main problem with the movie is that Strange held his own against thanos with 4 infinity stones using a multitude of spells, I was so happy when he dream walked and controlled the souls of the damned and actually stood a chance against her
@@jaymarmurd0ck99 It was really "America Chavez and the Multiverse of Madness."
I agree. He used some new magic but it's nothing special or anything. Even if loses I still wanted strange to actually go all out kinda.
When strange was in zombie form and had all the souls under his comand I thought he was gonna fuck up wanda but na
Half the CG in the movie is fantastic, and half is slightly better a teenager with a year of Blender under their belt.
Also the look (overall visual feel, color, lens choice, lots of technical things) of the movie is actually super cheesy and sub-par for the budget. Many effects clearly had more time available than others.
I absolutely HATE what they did to Wanda and her story arc in this movie. I loved WandaVision, even if it had a few little flaws, and then they just completely trashed her character in this movie. "Yeah, but the Darkhold!" Piss off with that argument. Oh, and you're spot on in your assessment of Uruguay Chavez. Keep up the great work Drinker!!
I don't like the idea of the multiverse. It's like a writer's cheat code. I can see a multi-dimensional movie being interesting but they just use it for endless reboots and modifications it's lazy and there's no tension because if one Spider-Man dies there's a million other ones so why does any of this matter at all?
Everything everywhere all at once actually touched on the concept
Secret Wars wars and the Spiderverse story lines are dope as fuck
wdym?
It all depends on it if it’s done well in an good way but I much prefer grounded in reality stories over these convoluted stories
I've grown a distaste for it as well, especially as the concept has grown in popularity over the years. I can't help but wonder if it's a product of the morally relative and atheistic culture growing throughout western society or a deliberate attempt to strip meaning from certain ideas, such as truth and objectivity. I'd like to think it's a concept most people have fun with but seeing as it's no different than say, the concept of God, or Gods, in regards to it having no real tangible evidence for its serious belief, I've begun to grow a steady suspicion over its increase in popularity.
multiverses are fucking dope dude like secret wars crisis of inf earths and spiderverse are so good
Also, I cannot tell you how disappointed I was with Wong ;D He could have made sure that the buck stopped with him but, instead, he takes the incredibly easy and super predictable bait by succumbing to Wanda torturing three or four nobodies that no one cares about. I was also confused at the time when she pulled them out of the rubble - I honestly thought she had conjured corpses for a moment. Imagine putting the four lives of those nobodies over the entire multiverse, or at least their own Universe, because he can't fathom what it means for them all to live, and die, as heroes. You'd think he'd have been tougher and that they'd all know what they signed on for with him being Sorcerer Supreme and them being acolytes, you know?
He wasn’t willing to watch them be tortured and killed but he told Strange to kill Chavez at the end of the movie
Wong, the Kamar-Taj Affirmative Action Hire, is a terrible “Sorcerer Supreme”.
He has utterly FAILED at his job, but like most AA-Hire’s, he won’t be held accountable for it. (He might even get promoted!)
Countless people die under his leadership. Then at the end, he basically shrugs and tells Strange, “Well, I guess ya gotta kill the kid” 🤷
….Two scenes later, he’s training her at the Sanctum.
Disney WILL NOT ALLOW Dr Strange to fulfill his DESTINY and reclaim HIS moniker, BECAUSE using the word “SUPREME” as a GOOD THING to describe a WHITE MAN would trigger too many oppressed blue check marks.
Yeah i know. I guess i accepted that as, him maybe having a good hunch that he'd find a way to beat her in the end, which they did. But yeah it seemed selfish to risk the multiverse on four lives. But hey, who's to say if Wanda thought she had no chance to get what she wanted she wouldn't just destroy the whole planet out of anger? 🤷🏻♂️ so maybe he made the best decision in the end.
wong is the sorcerer supreme the WISEST WIZARD ALIVE
I understood it as making a comparison between Dr. Strange and Wong with Wong caring about individual people and Dr. Strange only caring about the big picture, which was a point they were trying to make throughout the movie, though by the end they made the point that this Dr Strange was different from pretty much every other Dr. Strange in the multi verse and that he had grown to be a more compassionate person.
I still think Wong showing her where the tower was was beyond stupid, but I think I get the reason behind it, and it was the only thing I really considered a plot hole when I watched the movie.
I thought it was really enjoyable to watch and it made sense to me for the most part as I was watching it.
Imo the most out-of-character moment in this movie happened at the end: Wanda inexplicably accepted the consequences of her actions instead of just momentarily feeling bad about them like she normally would.
Yea. She saw what she had become through the eyes of her children
Part of me feels that they just can't have a real female villain. Like the whole "Dr strange wasn't in wandavision because mansplaining"
They are doing Wanda an injustice
Just felt like a massive cop out. They did so much to try and develop her character as the Scarlett Witch just to reverse it all 10 minutes later 🤦♂️
@@freetime2freeminds yeah with all the talk of Wanda isn't some time bomb Hawkeye treating her like a family and capt. america making sure she keeps her right.
seems like Iron Man was right all a long the accords should have been signed or maybe the writers forgot that character development that Wanda has other people in her life she cares about and care about her. in all honestly this could work better if it was hawkeye who died for the soul stone then yes I would understand of being desperate with wanting the kids because she has nobody left capt america is dead hawkeye in that scenario is dead vision is dead so she has no other people to run into
to be fair, that was probably the only in character moment for her in the entire movie. her MCU version has constantly been taking things to far and then regretting it. like when her brother died, or when she killed the wakandans, or when she took over a whole fucking town and force impregnated herself on a meth bender.
I think your closing thoughts sum it up perfectly, Mr. Drinker. The most frustrating thing for me in things in life, particularly works of fiction, is when something has all the building blocks to be better than what it ended up becoming. It's like a pet peeve, but more intense. There's just so much room for a more fantasy-like Marvel superhero movie here, but it needs to respect the wider universe it takes place in, to stay within reason and the audience's suspension of disbelief.
The whole idea of "only one in the multiverse" really breaks down when people from the multiverse start interacting with it. Timelines will diverge as soon as someone gets it.
Disgusting. The plot doesn't make any sense. America Chavez is CANCER. Nobody needs cultural marxism. Only sheeple keep on paying for Disney's leftist brainwashing propaganda.
Timelines, multiverses and dimensions (in fiction) never stand up to much scrutiny. You can get away with using them but if you start leaning too heavily on them, the shortcomings become ever more present.
It's not actually that complicated. It's just that writers will never stick to what they orginally claimed.
It's the Obi-wan defense. "What I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
"What about all that bit about "only a Jedi can wield a lightsaber?"
"You must understand Luke, we had no idea that they would blow up like that. The toy sales alone-"
"Toy sales?" "You'll understand it for yourself when you're older."
She just doesn't dream and never saw another version of herself. Those are not absolute statements regarding the whole of the multiverse, just her personal experience
"Who the fuck wrote this shit?"
Dude who wrote Loki. Explains everything.
The standard of hollywood writing these days is the worst it has ever been, im sure of it.
@Robert Monroe that's great news. Hopefully he's not writing anything for marvel anymore.
I've never watched Loki after getting a synopsis of the story but if I had known that fact that the dude who wrote that also wrote this I would have saved myself $30 or spent it to see Northman again.
@Robert Monroe Sadly i'm sure he will be replaced by someone just as crap and inexperienced.
@@billabonggolkpr The Northman was more poorly written than this.
@@ShadowSonic2 wrong
I agree that magic should have a set of rules and limitations. Even Agents of SHIELD knew to establish a risk or two about magic usage which added some weight to the story they were telling.
In DnD magic is OP as shit at the higher levels, but there ARE rules, and in some cases consequences to it. So while you can do almost anything with magic, they make it basically impossible once you hit a certain point. What makes it "fun" with these rules, is doing anything isn't banned, its just always "almost impossible".
@@Scylon1 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. You're telling me Black Bolt, Mr. Fantastic, Professor X, Captain Bri'ian, and balanced Captain Marvel couldn't beat Wanda? I guess they really threw a level 20 DMPC at level 5-10 characters.
Agent’s of SHiELD was an alright show even though I never trusted abc’s budget especially when that inhumans show happened. But still agents was a good show.
@@itwasidio1736 do you know how OP Wanda/Scarlett Witch is in the comics?
Ghost rider in agents of shield didn't have a limit right?
I agree! This movie focused so hard on trying to fit in as many agendas as possible that it didn't have time left to make sense.
I never really felt all that bombarded by agendas honestly. I think it was a mess of a film that lacked cohesion, thus certain elements stuck out that didn’t need too. It’s diverse cast felt like the foreground cause the plot was doing a bad job, I never felt it forced upon me. Honestly the agenda it seemed to hail was the comic book tease agenda. It felt very bloated by little things that didn’t make a good story but would make people go “ohhh it’s blank!” And I’m a fuckin nerd! They casted a fine representation of a modern society and forgot to make a full film for that cast.
@@Gus-n9u that is also a good take on it
@@SassyShar well thank you! I can certainly understand the sentiment of your feelings and can see it more with reflection of the film, but I really think the failure came in plot and execution, not the needless devotion to agendas. Take America Chavez, her character in its early creation in comics was UNDOUBTEDLY a creation of trying to appease “agendas “ even though that’s not really what people asked for anyway, but she was later used in exciting ways that allowed views and cultures that are not as represented in comics to shine and they didn’t try to sexualize her but allowed a teenage girl to have opinions and feelings that they normally would. Did they do much of that in the movie? Fuck no! She got as much characterization as the dark hold and this caused her smaller character traits, such as her pride pin, to take the foreground cause we had so little else to know or care about, thus making her seem like her purpose was 50 year olds hoping she is relatable and trendy. I just think she was a prop they cast a person for, like if the Darkhold had an actor!
"this girl has the power to travel between universes! Anyone who gets control of her could take over the whole multiverse"
I mean.... No. They could TRAVERSE the whole multiverse, but if they want to CONTROL it they'd need to fight an entire universe every time and conquer all of that. A task so enormous Thanos with his massive and powerful army had to find the infinity stones to pull it off.
Strange can traverse the multiverse too, a fudged memory spell almost screwed the multiverse up in fact, so why aren't they after HIM instead?
your quotation literally said "take over", not control 💀With Chavez's power, one could just kill an avenger and jump to another to destroy their universe, it's that easy
@@daffaagung what? That makes no sense.
Killing any one person would do fuck all to the universe. The Avengers only have sway over EARTH.
If you have the power to control an entire universe surely you can get to other universes on your own.
Oh wait, yeah, they made AN ENTIRE SERIES about this and none of it made any fucking sense.
@@daffaagung not to mention in 1 multiverse, there's an ARMY of space alien that would resist. So taking over 1 universe is a hell of a job that i don't think wanda could do that herself
Strange: Water-bends an entire ocean in Endgame
Also Strange: "Oh god she's coming through the puddles! Quick, cover them with blankets!"
Not even sure how the blankets were supposed to stop her from using the puddles XD
@@AscendantStoic Neither were the writers, just problem into half assed answer into next problem into next half assed answer. Repeat for a couple hours, then it's miller time.
@Ryomen Gojo Maybe, but it was never established how reflective a surface needs to be for it to count as a portal, because pretty much everything reflects light, and also the pieces of cloth won't stop 100% of light from passing through, that's the problem with making concepts on the fly just for one supposedly "cool/scary" scene without properly introducing them or ever using them again.
@Ryomen Gojo Like in Fullmetal Alchemist (a series that handles "magic with established rules" MUCH better than the MCU), there's a character that can manipulate *shadows* to form various shapes and weapons, including extremely sharp blades. He's extremely powerful since there seems to be no limit to the size and complexity of his shadow forms. His main weakness?
He controls *his own* shadows, which makes him powerless in the *dark,* since you can't cast distinct shadows in darkness.
@@TheSecondVersion Huge bigness
This review was exactly what I needed to see. I thought I was going insane when I spoke to people about this movie and all they did was sing it’s praises. I’m glad you’re out here keeping things honest.
He's keeping things bigoted, more like it
@@ShadowSonic2 what? How?
@@masonsuarez7096 that guy is woke. And the perfect embodiment of it. He seems to spend a large amount of his time watching content he hates and responding to people he hates. All I did was click his profile pic here and immediately saw him call people who watch this channel racist and sexist.
@@lurker993 dude I lose braincells everytime I encounter one of these woke leftist drones.
@@ShadowSonic2 As a wise man once said: “Go away, now!”
The reaction of Critical to Wanda response with the Thanos episode it killed me got me laughing like a maniac in the middle of the Streets!! 😭😂😂