I never understood how morrible could be head shiztress and the wizards accociate, like how do you have time to mix those jobs. Love how this movie made it more believable. She is just at shiz to look for magical kids and to help the wizard in the background. Splitting the 2 acts up into seperate movies was the best way ever because the musical sometimes feels very fast in the first act and slow at the 2nd. Eventhough the first act is longer😂. Cant wait to see part 2
The Madame Morrible theory makes so much sense. There's no way they would make her particular power be the weather without that having something to do with droughts/storms/tornados.
So in my mind, the Wiz-O-Mania sequence with the play gave DESPERATELY needed context to the grimirie. In the musical, it feels underdeveloped, but this theory also makes a ton of sense.
YES!! Also as much as love everything about the stage show, I think the staging of Wizomania makes it a little difficult to grasp that they are watching a show? It took me a few times watching the musical to grasp ohhh they are watching a play celebrating the wizard! lol
Perhaps, but if Fiyero's horse _can_ still speak, why would he not be just as willing to carry Glinda as he would Elphaba? Glinda certainly wouldn't have been able to leave in her bubble as no one else knew she was there.
@@giggles7179 at that point the musical storytelling is rushed and non-cinematic and we have glimpses of how it will be changed. I do not think that Glinda would have a reason to rush out of the castle, let alone talk to a horse--she can travel in a bubble. I think the transfer of power to Glinda will not be so peaceful with Elphaba helping at the last minute assisted by a talking animal(s). It also looks like they keep Dorothy and company together, which means the Scarecrow will need an agent to act after the melting scene.
@@andsster she would have to rush if she’s meeting Elphaba in secret … and it was revealed they got a double to do a horse riding scene in part two so that could be Glinda who wouldn’t want to be using her bubble
The Oz dust scene, I kind of felt Madame Morable's motive to let Glinda know Asap about her inclusion in her course to be a little desperate. She went to make sure Elpheba knew she was agreeing to it for fear of losing her trust. She knew she needed her so she did what she could to keep Elpheba on the "right path.". If she would have got the students in trouble then Elpheba would have been called a snitch and probably leave shiz so Morable was playing it smart.
i love how their theory paints the Wonderful Wizard as a fool who has the celebrity without having the evil brains. like politicians who sit on the highest chairs possible, and from all we know about them seem to be morons and idiots obeying someone else. and Morrible as the actual mastermind who might even get away unscathed if the Wizard falls.
I wonder how many of the party goers who saw Morrible at the Oz Dust were regular non-student ballroom patrons? They probably should’ve had Morrible turn up in a fancy mask, and secretly approach Glinda instead, but I like that Morrible didn’t make a huge scene at the party. IMO Morrible is very calculated, knows getting everyone in huge trouble would ruin Elphie’s night, and since she desperately needs Elphie stay as her student at Shiz (Elphie making close friends would give her more incentive to stay)… Morrible knows telling all the students off would be a bad idea. They could’ve had a throwaway line in the Oz letter scene where Elphaba and Glinda thank her for not telling the Head Shiztress about them sneaking out. That might’ve made her look like one of the cool teachers, and make her character change towards the end a little more shocking to people not familiar with the show.
Re: The disguised horse rider, yes!!!! I also believe Glinda's the most logical of the characters to be under that cloak. She witnessed "The Murder" but couldn't divulge her presence to anyone else there, so she certainly couldn't travel by bubble. She's also the only suspect that would have a reason to be riding directly to the Emerald City after Elphaba's demise; she's been working with the Wizard and Madame Morrible since the end of the first film. I'd be more surprised if you weren't already aware of this, but there have been set photos leaked of Fiyero and Glinda in the second film. Glinda's in her lilac gown and Fiyero's in what's surely his Emerald Ciy guard jacket with epaulettes....the same the Scarecrow is wearing in the shots of Dorothy and her friends on the Yellow Brick Road.
I on this ride with you! I’ve been through many casts onstage for Wicked and worried, as you did, that the movie might disappoint! Saw the movie yesterday. It did not disappoint!!! Like you, I cried through it for many reasons. There are so many current circumstances around the world that are prominent in this story, but I relate most to the sheer gut punch of disappointment Elphaba experiences in learning the ugliness of the souls she had most admired and believed, the loss of her joy leaning the truth. I’m feeling that today. Thank you for seeing the genius of this work and for sharing it with us! ❤
One thing I'm hoping the movie tweaks in part 2 is the timeline discrepancy with Dorothy showing up in Oz. The March of the Witchhunters kind of conflicts with the timeline of Dorothy's adventure in Oz by having the Tin Man and the Lion in the same place before even meeting Dorothy and before Fiyero is transformed into the Scarecrow. They should, in the movie, have Boq get rusted during the storm that Morrible creates that would work best to explain how Dorothy finds him rusted. They could move March of the Witchhunters to accommodate the placement. I also hope Dorothy's present for with Glinda and Elphaba in the iconic moments (the ones like the Munchkin Land moment where she gets the slippers and when Dorothy is captured) for maximum dramatic effect. I also desperately hope that the Tin Man and Cowardly Lion don't remain as bitter and hateful toward Elphaba by the end of the musical. I feel like it would be interesting if Fiyero as the Scarecrow explains what happened and they all help Elphie escape. I never liked that they made the Cowardly Lion hate Elphaba when she and Fiyero save him and protected him, and as understandable as Boq's upset was I feel like the Tin Man's whole thing is that he's a compassionate and kind person.
Yessss I'm so interested to see how they work the timeline! And so glad they have so much time in the film for all these events to play out (plus 21 years of fans and creatives discussing how these discrepancies could be fixed 😂)
I always took March of the Witch Hunters taking place soon after the Wizard tells Dorothy and friends to go get the Witch's broomstick in the movie. I always pictured Dorothy and Scarecrow/Fiyero just sitting off to the side as Tinman/Boq vows his revenge toward Elphie
I kind of feel like the timeliness, the witchhunt was after Dorothy got captured and instead of running straight in, they went for help from OZ but that's the hard part with musicals can't portray timing while having limited time.
I definitely agree with the Wiz/Walt theory. The man behind the curtain sequence evoked such Fantasia vibes! I also definitely agree with the "cloaked Glinda" theory. Even if you don't know the end it's pretty easy to guess Elphie faked her death. I think they want you to guess that it's Elphaba riding off after the melting, but I just think that's too obvious.
2:01, We have the wicked book in 1995, then the wicked musical in 2003, then the 2 part Wicked movies in 2024 and 2025, I hope we get a wicked video game next.
3:50 if Madam was supposed to be there solely to teach her magic seminar ONLY if there is someone exceptionally gifted in magic, she had to have known about Elphaba arriving at school. Especially since it’s revealed she’s in cahoots with the wizard, her father. I think he wanted to make a child with his dna that has magical power so he can steal it and keep all the animals from talking and being intelligent to keep them from aiding the revolt against freedom in oz.
I like your theories. Re: KeIea Settle/Morrible no longer headmistress... I love your theory. I would argue that the main reason they split the part was to maybe reduce the amount of singing Michelle Yeoh has to do. She's an amazing actress; she's not a particularly strong singer, as the reviews of the part 1 movie confirm. So this solves the problem by giving that one big song that used to be Morrible's to Miss Coddle.
Also it lets MM freer to play a deceptively maternal role with Elphaba without having to do the parts like telling her to sit down in the lion cub scene. It seems like all of those things are now left up to Miss Coddle.
@@tyler_warwickconsidering that in the original novel the people in the Emerald City are forced to wear the green glasses to make it look like an Emerald City could tip Galinda and Elphaba that the wizard isn’t a good person and would shatter the image of her version of the wizard too early
Elphaba asking to see the road in purple is a small Easter egg. The road that is on screen in the Wizard of Oz that is next to the Yellow Brick Road looks red. However I think it was actually purple. Just like the ruby slippers had to be made maroon so they wouldn’t appear orange in technicolor, I think the same thing happened with the road
I like the way you're approaching all these ideas! I for sure thought The Wizard was based on Walt Disney too, what with the model city and the mustache and his mix of sentimentality and dictatorship.
Another thought, I think Glinda will know the truth about Elphaba being alive. There’s the line that was added in the movie at the beginning where Glinda asked Elphaba how she did the magic in the courtyard, and Glinda says, “I can keep a secret”. I don’t believe that’s a through away line.
I thought the person on horse back might have been Elphaba AND Fiyero both under the cloak and riding away... I know the Scarecrow is with Dorothy and the gang on the road but COULD there be another plot twist? Maybe Fiyero is NOT the Scarecrow, OR maybe Elphaba uses her magic to turn him back to his original form and somehow retains his Scarecrow version and he goes back with Dorothy. ALSO if I'm not mistaken the horse is headed toward Emerald City, so I'm wondering if Elphaba is off to confront the Wizard for a final showdown. What if she takes flight and attacks him when he's in his balloon!!
Characters are usually merged into one, including in the Original Wizard of Oz merging The Good Witches of the North and South being merged into one character. It’s odd to divide a character into 2.
You're spot on about the Disney references. The songs sound like they are canned and being piped in, while the "cast members" lip synch the welcome song and Ozmania song on the top of every hour. It gives that energy very much. Thats not even including the merch on the "Main Street USA" streets, the branded costumes/uniforms, and the wizards VERY "World of Tomorrow" vibes.
I also saw an interview with Jon Chu recently that originally the Wizomania scene was going to be similar to "it's a small world" - a ride that took them through the story of Oz , while in a boat! I love this idea and wish they could have combined them...
I read the novel before seeing the play, I THOUGHT Morrible was going to turn out to be Mombi the witch, because IF I remember right, Morrible went to great lengths to keep the story of Ozma hidden
I think it's Elphaba because she's on Fiyeros horse riding to his old family home where he then knocks on the trapdoor since that's after Dorothy goes back to Kansas
I LOVE where your mind went on these! I noticed your first clues too (chamges about mme morrible, etc) but didnt go down the rabbit hole like you did. Some of the videos ive watched, you can tell they're just going for views since wicked is popular/trending right now... But in yours you can tell you have loved the world for a long time!
I didn’t get “emerald city is Disneyland” but I did get “The wizard is Walt Disney” With the whole idea of him wanting to bring a spark of imagination, the Oz diagram and plan, the wanting to wow and entertain and be a showman.
I also reacted to Keala Settle's casting, when she turned out to not have anything to sing, in the end. Why would they hire someone, with a set of pipes like hers - for a musical - and not use it, somehow? Though, I wonder how she's going to be used in the 2nd movie, if they will, because the 2nd act takes place some years after everyone has left Shiz University. Doesn't Elphaba return to Shiz, in the novel, some years later to kill Madame Morrible? Maybe they'll use that storyline for Mrs Coddle instead?
I'm thinking the same thing! It's actually one of, if not, my favorite scenes in the book, because it really showed that Elphaba had started becoming trully wicked. It's been awhile since I read the book, but I believe there's a scene at the school where Elphaba tries to conjure a fireball to incinerate Morrible, who brings up a group of students and Elphaba thinks about how they're a necessary sacrifice, which leads to her backing away before returning years later to kill Morrible with the book. I do think Mrs. Coddle will have the big singing parts in "March of the Witch Hunters".
L. Frank Baum based the Emerald City on the White City of the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, which was the closet thing to a Disney World that existed at the time, so basing it on Disney World would 100% make perfect sense.
Finally someone who also noticed that they definitely split up the Madame Morrible from the stage show into two characters: Michelle Yeoh got the more serious, sinister aspects of the role, and Keala Settle got to play the goofy aspects of the role as Miss Coddle. I think it worked well.
17:50 I didn’t clock it myself (even after three viewings of the movie) but when you were describing that part I immediately thought of the beginning of “Jolly Holiday” in _Mary Poppins_ because Burt does the same thing (“I feel like I could fly” line of the song). That’s how I mainly remember it as. I didn’t realize it was a thing Walt Disney did and it’s been ages since I saw _Saving Mr Banks_ so I might have forgotten about him doing it there.
Very very interesting, thanks for sharing all your theories. Love it.... If it is Elphaba on the horse.. it would make sense why they zoomed in on her studying Dr Dillamond's map & focused on the "tunnel out of Oz" (I think thats what it was called, or something like that I cant remember exactly and cant find a still) that leads to the impassable desert. I love the Glinda thought of it all though and it's a toss up for me as to who it is. Hmmm
First, YES!! I heard Disney 💯!!! But. I thought it was like showing the immersive magical world that is Oz. They didn't wear glasses to make everything appear green, everything was green and ,"emerald " like. To me, approaching and entering Oz gave the feeling that witches are a lot like princesses-everyone wishes they were a witch kind of like little kids wish they were a princess. Let's assume that with Morrible's help (Joe else could he?) the Wizard built the Emerald City. WHY GREEN??? Green with envy of the only thing that pops into mind. They have 7 colors in their rainbow and that's reflected in the countryside with the tulips that the munchkins grow and harvest (why tulips?? Besides the fact that they bloom at the same time and work well for cinematic purposes). Emerald City could have been Ruby City, Sapphire City, Amethyst City and so on. I'm just wondering, why the color green. As for Morrible, could she know that a only magical person, like a "muggle" (1/2 of Oz 1/2 of our world bring the rainbow) can read the grimerie? So, she summons someone from our world and ends up with the "wizard" who arrives via magical balloon. We know he's a huckster, a con so his elixers would have no value, no power esp over the rainbow (everything back home was gray and dull), unless she intentionally cast a spell into that bottle and sent the wizard to woo the governor's (why isn't he the mayor of Munchkin Land?😂) wife. She's probably known about Elphaba's existence and like Harry Potter, waiting for her arrival bc she knows Elphaba is chosen. She was more than excited to get the wizard to notice Elphaba that she contacted him so he'd invite her there. Did she intend to mark the love child of the half human, half Ozian to intentionally be green so she could identify her when the time was right? Did she just intend for him to impregnate any woman in Munchkin Land or did she know it was the governors wife? Maybe Elphaba's mom had great powers when she was young? We know Nessa also possesses more power than the average Shiz student. I really am stuck on the city being the same color as Elphaba and how and why was the elixir green and magic? I love that the bullet train takes people straight into oz, and I find it creative and funny that poor Dorothy, after getting pulled from Kansas to Oz and landing on Nessa, she's sent by Glinda (who's ridden the train) to follow the yellow brick road that she knows is a long, winding road (though I get that these are two storybooks merged into one and crossing timelines). Talk about the scenic route!! Did she really want Dorothy to succeed, or was it a distraction? Trying to prevent her from making it to Oz? I'm this storyline, she KNOWS the Wizard is a fraud, powerless so why send Dorothy on a wild goose chase Glinda? Or, did Morrible direct you what to do with her? She was trying to lure Elphaba out of hiding by summoning Dorothy to Oz and maybe even looking Nessa, not just threatening her. Regarding again, the whole Disney vibes-I got a lot of Mary Poppins type feelings, like magic blows in when help is needed, and there's a way to cross into the magic world over the rainbow-in Mary Poppins, she does it by jumping into a colored chalk picture instead of using a rainbow as the portal. Once in the magic land, everything is over the top, like nothing back home where it's dirty, dingy and gray-you can just feel the magic! I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the Broadway Wicked, but we know from the OG movie that the wizard claims he'll take Dorothy back. Did the maybe just tie in that he was no longer needed so Glinda and Morrible want him gone? I'm a bit confused as Dorothy plays a part in this story-she "melted" Elphaba, so how is it intended that the Wizard would help her get back if Glinda kicks him out before Dorothy even gets back from her quest? I'm confused, and like I said, none of that is known to me since I haven't seen the live show. Curious to hear how these puzzle pieces go together and whether anyone else thinks the wizard giving Elphaba 's mom that green elixir was maybe Morrible's doing and a potion created by her? Thoughts please!!
I thought Nessarose cast a spell on Boq because he broke her heart by loving Glenda. This inadvertently shrinks his heart so Elphaba turns him into Tinman so he doesn’t die. So she saves him.
@tyler_warwick have you seen the videos where Jon Chu talks about Elphaba's relationship with gravity??? There are a few very subtle clues that she might not need the broom to fly... The flying rocks at the beginning (childhood scene), leaping in Wizard and I, and in DG there are a few clues ... I need to see the movie again to verify. But it immediately made me think of this convo. If she doesnt need the broom to fly, does that change whom we think is on the horse???
Loving your videos and that horse theory is so interesting, makes me even more excited for Part 2. I saw it for the 3rd time tonight and cried. Again. Haha they did such an amazing job. Seeing the OG cast on Broadway and now watching the movie has been such a special experience.
I’m fully on board with your Madam Morrible/Wizard theory! It gives a deeper and more sinister edge to their whole plot. Plus it explains how The Wizard leaves so easily, he wasn’t that invested in OZ itself rather the opportunity for adoration and praise it provided, like the carnie Oscar Diggs he truly is. However I disagree with your theory about Glinda being the horse rider we’ve seen in the trailer. I don’t think they would have Ariana Grande do For Good not in the pink bubble dress. Not to mention we’ve already seen that image of Glinda running up a flight of stairs with the Grimmere in the bubble dress. I think the rider is most definitely Elphaba on Fiyero’s horse. Probably riding to the emerald city to go get Fiyero. Since as we know from the Wizard of Oz that’s where we last see the scarecrow. My guess is they meet up again and reunite properly then ride off into the badlands as one of the final shots of the movie.
First of all I LOVE YOU!!!! Second, OMGeeeee!!!! 😮 I JUST saw Wicked for the first time yesterday! DON’T JUDGE ME FOR WAITING SO LONG! My heart hurts enough already. ANYWAY. 😉 You know what this lil’ ole video of yours did for me?!? MADE ME WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN (which, duh, I was already PLANNING to) and again and again and again! THANK YOU for the rabbit hole you’ve sent me down. You can find me there for the foreseeable future. 😀
This is such a good video! I’ve been obsessing over the hooded figure and you and I have almost identical theories. The thing that got me that I noticed straight away when it starts to rain morrible stops elphaba from getting wet , where she does get wet in the musical. I’m putting this down to the space of a year is to long to sit with people and will give away the ending. where as in the musical melting is mentioned in thank goodness a few times and when she doesn’t melt you remember she got Wet in the beginning.
Ngl I like Cynthia’s version of defying gravity rather than idina’s because when idina sings it she has more anger in her voice which isn’t bad but when Cynthia sang it it sounds like she is relieved she is finally free from judge and she doesn’t care of anyone thinking she is wicked
I’m still stuck on the dual color eyes of the monkey guard, because one is vivid green and has a scar on that eye and I can’t help but theorize that the wizard did experiments to change the monkeys eye color
Morrible was sorta away from everyone & on the side during the ball scene . No one but Glinda knew why she was there per their chat and it looked like morrible left after the chat. The students seemed too busy enjoying themselves to notice as well. And then everyone was all about elphaba’s hat & the dance happened seconds after… so morrible making a quick appearance without being noticed was believable to me 🤷♀️
YES! I needed someone to talk about the Disney World references. On my first viewing of the movie, I could have sworn I saw a hidden Mickey in the red glass at the start of Elphaba’s dad singing. I brushed it off because there is no way Universal Studios, Disney’s Orlando rivals, would do that. Then, I saw all the fireworks around the castle and I knew there was a Disney link. Also, as soon as Elphaba and Glinda enter the castle, there are several tall flower displays that look like fish or dolphins. I have stayed at the Swan and Dolphin hotel a couple of times on the Disney World campus and those huge fish looking dolphins are all over the roof. Also, I’m still trying to figure this one out…please help me…. On my third viewing (yes, third) I saw a carving of what appears to be Rapunzel’s side kick chameleon in the beige wall, right next to Elphaba’s head, as she leaned on it singing I’m Not That Girl. It was maybe a foot tall. I may have to watch Tangled to figure it out. I love your theory about Madame Morrible too.
As someone who also worked in a theme park, I could definitely relate to what you were saying. At one point in the movie I literally thought that this was very Walt Disney-esque. At the same time, I can't help but imagine Universal adding a Wicked themed area in one of their parks.
I wonder if they’ll update the Epic Universe plans to leave room for an eventual Wicked themed section. I could see it more likely added into EU somehow rather than IoA or Studios anyway
Which I don't get, since we see Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tinman and Lion headed toward the Emerald City with Elphaba's broom. The Wizard should not be gone yet at that point
i've been asking myself why we spot dorothy and crew going to the wizard with the broom right at the beginning of the movie, isnt no one mourns the wicked after she and the wizard leave oz? glinda even says "...with the wizard's unexpected departure"
So Gregory Maguire said he wrote The Wicked Years series because of the idea of "unreliable narrator" as well will the fact that L Frank Baum(writer of the original wizard of Oz series) was said to have had a personality not unlike the wizard in his books. So he wanted to basically present the world without that unreliable narrative and see the world through adult eyes. Including the social commentary about how rumors can create fake history. Amongst many other social commentaries also added as Baum did originally as well(Baum had the shoes silver and added the fear of having then telling my away because it was during the time the government was getting rid of silver backing of currency and he was afraid they were going to take his silver, which was a common fear)
Also I should add that the wizard being basically a self insert is probably why Baum wrote him back into his books but being practically just the weird but lovable uncle. Especially since Dorothy was based on Baum's niece that passed away in infancy and wanted to help the other children (and him and the whole family honestly) grieve better with the idea of her going on to go on wild and exciting adventures.
So there is an old song they used to use to open wdw, if you look up Walt Disney World welcome show it should pop up, and it sounds exactly like that intro to one short day….
My mom has never seen the play. She loved the movie and when we talked about it after she asked me about the horse rider and I was like ummmmmm🤐🤐🤐🤐 I didn't see that lol I assumed it was elphaba but you know it may have been Glenda hmmmmm
I have to admit, I'm intrigued by some of the reasoning you laid out here for Madame Morrible's modified characterization for the films. My only criticism of it lies in the fact that with Miss Coddle's welcoming address to incoming Shiz students, there's much fanfare around Mme. Morrible joining the faculty this year as something of a celebrity professor. I believe Miss Coddle was created as a way to add more of a smokescreen to Mme. Morrible's intentions. As Michelle Yeoh plays her, they're quite smart to make the character more mysterious rather than the loud and brash busybody she's always been portrayed as in the musical; that kind of a character isn't easy to adapt to the big screen. Though her clear disdain Galinda in the first film is evident, moviegoers unfamiliar with the story might not be able to peg Mme. Morrible as a villain quite so quickly as in the Broadway show. Adding Miss Coddle as a red herring only makes revealing Morrible as a villain all the more surprising. To at least a few people, that is. Keala Settle's role is small, but it serves a specific purpose....and sadly, that specific purpose is largely confined to the first film. _Wicked_ has so many characters as it is and if the first film is any inclination, Chu understands whose stories they need to build upon for the most emotional impact: Elphaba, Glinda, Fiyero, Boq, and Nessarose primarily, with only the origins of how Mme. Morrible and the Wizard came to be in alliance important enough to expand upon. Introducing another brand-new character and having to develop them would only result in taking time away from the other stories. Chu's smarter than that.
Did anyone pick up on the visual in the Wizard's showing off the model of his silhouette in the yellow spotlight? It reminded me of Stokowski conducting in Fantasia.
i think that Fiero is on the horse, going to help elphaba. also i think when glinda put the statue of the bad witch on the fire she knows that is just a theatre and elphaba lives or she is a Marbles puppet in this story (but i hope not, i think she is naive but also good friend to elphaba forever)
The wizard is 💯 based on walt disney. This could also be seen as a jab at Disney because theyve wanted access to the movie Oz IP for years, but rhey couldnt get it without pushing back back the public domain rilules to hold on to mickey mouse. Its hilarious that this came out within a couple uears of Mickey entering the public domain.
What if Glinda becomes the next leader instead of madame morrible and that’s what she was talking about and that’s the story of how I became the leader
What if and yea I know they’re answers for this lol but what if Madam whatever can’t read it because they intentionally kept it a secret from her because she is the biggest big bad
Madam Morrible said "I have tenure! I teach one class to one student every couple years. Idgf if all the students sneak out"
Fr tho 💀
I never understood how morrible could be head shiztress and the wizards accociate, like how do you have time to mix those jobs. Love how this movie made it more believable. She is just at shiz to look for magical kids and to help the wizard in the background. Splitting the 2 acts up into seperate movies was the best way ever because the musical sometimes feels very fast in the first act and slow at the 2nd. Eventhough the first act is longer😂. Cant wait to see part 2
Yes!! I realised after I made this video that I forgot to add that point!! The way she just leaves Shiz im like… but who took the headmistress job?? 😂
The Madame Morrible theory makes so much sense. There's no way they would make her particular power be the weather without that having something to do with droughts/storms/tornados.
That was my feeling too!! I had never linked her to the drought before but the movie made it seem very apparent to me!
So in my mind, the Wiz-O-Mania sequence with the play gave DESPERATELY needed context to the grimirie. In the musical, it feels underdeveloped, but this theory also makes a ton of sense.
YES!! Also as much as love everything about the stage show, I think the staging of Wizomania makes it a little difficult to grasp that they are watching a show? It took me a few times watching the musical to grasp ohhh they are watching a play celebrating the wizard! lol
Nice theory about Glinda but because Fiero's horse is a talking horse, I think it is Elphaba.
Yes also because Dorothy has her broom! 😭😂
Perhaps, but if Fiyero's horse _can_ still speak, why would he not be just as willing to carry Glinda as he would Elphaba? Glinda certainly wouldn't have been able to leave in her bubble as no one else knew she was there.
@@giggles7179 at that point the musical storytelling is rushed and non-cinematic and we have glimpses of how it will be changed. I do not think that Glinda would have a reason to rush out of the castle, let alone talk to a horse--she can travel in a bubble. I think the transfer of power to Glinda will not be so peaceful with Elphaba helping at the last minute assisted by a talking animal(s). It also looks like they keep Dorothy and company together, which means the Scarecrow will need an agent to act after the melting scene.
@@andsster she would have to rush if she’s meeting Elphaba in secret … and it was revealed they got a double to do a horse riding scene in part two so that could be Glinda who wouldn’t want to be using her bubble
I agree, it’s Elphaba. Glinda wouldn’t have time to ride the Horse, get to her Bubble, and get to Munchkinland.
The Oz dust scene, I kind of felt Madame Morable's motive to let Glinda know Asap about her inclusion in her course to be a little desperate. She went to make sure Elpheba knew she was agreeing to it for fear of losing her trust. She knew she needed her so she did what she could to keep Elpheba on the "right path.". If she would have got the students in trouble then Elpheba would have been called a snitch and probably leave shiz so Morable was playing it smart.
Yessss!!!! Definitely felt desperate!
That's a solid theory/backstory for how Mdme Morrible could have set all of those events in motion.
This is what my brain has been doing at 1am 😩😂😂😂
i love how their theory paints the Wonderful Wizard as a fool who has the celebrity without having the evil brains. like politicians who sit on the highest chairs possible, and from all we know about them seem to be morons and idiots obeying someone else. and Morrible as the actual mastermind who might even get away unscathed if the Wizard falls.
I wonder how many of the party goers who saw Morrible at the Oz Dust were regular non-student ballroom patrons? They probably should’ve had Morrible turn up in a fancy mask, and secretly approach Glinda instead, but I like that Morrible didn’t make a huge scene at the party. IMO Morrible is very calculated, knows getting everyone in huge trouble would ruin Elphie’s night, and since she desperately needs Elphie stay as her student at Shiz (Elphie making close friends would give her more incentive to stay)… Morrible knows telling all the students off would be a bad idea.
They could’ve had a throwaway line in the Oz letter scene where Elphaba and Glinda thank her for not telling the Head Shiztress about them sneaking out. That might’ve made her look like one of the cool teachers, and make her character change towards the end a little more shocking to people not familiar with the show.
Yessss that’s a great idea!! I wish they had added that now 😂
It would also give Morrible leverage against the students she saw there. "I saw you break the rules, but I won't say anything...for now."
I feel like you could write an essay on how Disney portrays The Wizard in Oz The Great and Powerful vs How Wicked portrays the Wizard as Disney.
Ooooh honestly I completely forgot that movie because I didn’t find it canon when I saw it 👀
Re: The disguised horse rider, yes!!!! I also believe Glinda's the most logical of the characters to be under that cloak. She witnessed "The Murder" but couldn't divulge her presence to anyone else there, so she certainly couldn't travel by bubble. She's also the only suspect that would have a reason to be riding directly to the Emerald City after Elphaba's demise; she's been working with the Wizard and Madame Morrible since the end of the first film.
I'd be more surprised if you weren't already aware of this, but there have been set photos leaked of Fiyero and Glinda in the second film. Glinda's in her lilac gown and Fiyero's in what's surely his Emerald Ciy guard jacket with epaulettes....the same the Scarecrow is wearing in the shots of Dorothy and her friends on the Yellow Brick Road.
Yes!! I also don’t think Elphaba would risk riding back to the emerald city, even in disguise.
I on this ride with you! I’ve been through many casts onstage for Wicked and worried, as you did, that the movie might disappoint! Saw the movie yesterday. It did not disappoint!!! Like you, I cried through it for many reasons. There are so many current circumstances around the world that are prominent in this story, but I relate most to the sheer gut punch of disappointment Elphaba experiences in learning the ugliness of the souls she had most admired and believed, the loss of her joy leaning the truth. I’m feeling that today. Thank you for seeing the genius of this work and for sharing it with us! ❤
Completely agree! And Cynthia portrays that in such a devastatingly real way I cried so much!
Okay, but why did they have to make all the Flying Monkey scenes so intense?! The transformation one, the one they have to get Elphaba, all of them!
I jumped at the window scene so bad 😭😭
I LOVED that they made it so intense! Made it so real and terrifying!
One thing I'm hoping the movie tweaks in part 2 is the timeline discrepancy with Dorothy showing up in Oz. The March of the Witchhunters kind of conflicts with the timeline of Dorothy's adventure in Oz by having the Tin Man and the Lion in the same place before even meeting Dorothy and before Fiyero is transformed into the Scarecrow. They should, in the movie, have Boq get rusted during the storm that Morrible creates that would work best to explain how Dorothy finds him rusted. They could move March of the Witchhunters to accommodate the placement. I also hope Dorothy's present for with Glinda and Elphaba in the iconic moments (the ones like the Munchkin Land moment where she gets the slippers and when Dorothy is captured) for maximum dramatic effect.
I also desperately hope that the Tin Man and Cowardly Lion don't remain as bitter and hateful toward Elphaba by the end of the musical. I feel like it would be interesting if Fiyero as the Scarecrow explains what happened and they all help Elphie escape. I never liked that they made the Cowardly Lion hate Elphaba when she and Fiyero save him and protected him, and as understandable as Boq's upset was I feel like the Tin Man's whole thing is that he's a compassionate and kind person.
Yessss I'm so interested to see how they work the timeline! And so glad they have so much time in the film for all these events to play out (plus 21 years of fans and creatives discussing how these discrepancies could be fixed 😂)
I always took March of the Witch Hunters taking place soon after the Wizard tells Dorothy and friends to go get the Witch's broomstick in the movie. I always pictured Dorothy and Scarecrow/Fiyero just sitting off to the side as Tinman/Boq vows his revenge toward Elphie
I kind of feel like the timeliness, the witchhunt was after Dorothy got captured and instead of running straight in, they went for help from OZ but that's the hard part with musicals can't portray timing while having limited time.
I definitely agree with the Wiz/Walt theory. The man behind the curtain sequence evoked such Fantasia vibes!
I also definitely agree with the "cloaked Glinda" theory. Even if you don't know the end it's pretty easy to guess Elphie faked her death. I think they want you to guess that it's Elphaba riding off after the melting, but I just think that's too obvious.
2:01, We have the wicked book in 1995, then the wicked musical in 2003, then the 2 part Wicked movies in 2024 and 2025, I hope we get a wicked video game next.
In the novel, Elphaba was a straight up sarcastic smart a s s LMAO
The thing with Elphaba not being enrolled in shiz at the beginning is the same in the book
3:50 if Madam was supposed to be there solely to teach her magic seminar ONLY if there is someone exceptionally gifted in magic, she had to have known about Elphaba arriving at school. Especially since it’s revealed she’s in cahoots with the wizard, her father. I think he wanted to make a child with his dna that has magical power so he can steal it and keep all the animals from talking and being intelligent to keep them from aiding the revolt against freedom in oz.
I like your theories. Re: KeIea Settle/Morrible no longer headmistress... I love your theory. I would argue that the main reason they split the part was to maybe reduce the amount of singing Michelle Yeoh has to do. She's an amazing actress; she's not a particularly strong singer, as the reviews of the part 1 movie confirm. So this solves the problem by giving that one big song that used to be Morrible's to Miss Coddle.
Yessss I’m very interested to see what they will do for Thank Goodness!
Also it lets MM freer to play a deceptively maternal role with Elphaba without having to do the parts like telling her to sit down in the lion cub scene. It seems like all of those things are now left up to Miss Coddle.
I wish the green glasses were kept from musical to movie. Another form of manipulation
ME TOO!! I said this in my last video too 😄💚
@@tyler_warwickconsidering that in the original novel the people in the Emerald City are forced to wear the green glasses to make it look like an Emerald City could tip Galinda and Elphaba that the wizard isn’t a good person and would shatter the image of her version of the wizard too early
Big thing I’m wondering is how is the wizard gonna leave since his balloon was destroyed when they were trying to escape
I thought this too!! But it's several years later so I'm guessing it will be repaired by whoever made the bubble and other contraptions 😂
Elphaba asking to see the road in purple is a small Easter egg. The road that is on screen in the Wizard of Oz that is next to the Yellow Brick Road looks red. However I think it was actually purple. Just like the ruby slippers had to be made maroon so they wouldn’t appear orange in technicolor, I think the same thing happened with the road
I like the way you're approaching all these ideas! I for sure thought The Wizard was based on Walt Disney too, what with the model city and the mustache and his mix of sentimentality and dictatorship.
Yesssss!!!!
Another thought, I think Glinda will know the truth about Elphaba being alive. There’s the line that was added in the movie at the beginning where Glinda asked Elphaba how she did the magic in the courtyard, and Glinda says, “I can keep a secret”. I don’t believe that’s a through away line.
Here to hold space 💚
that's really powerful
I thought the person on horse back might have been Elphaba AND Fiyero both under the cloak and riding away... I know the Scarecrow is with Dorothy and the gang on the road but COULD there be another plot twist? Maybe Fiyero is NOT the Scarecrow, OR maybe Elphaba uses her magic to turn him back to his original form and somehow retains his Scarecrow version and he goes back with Dorothy. ALSO if I'm not mistaken the horse is headed toward Emerald City, so I'm wondering if Elphaba is off to confront the Wizard for a final showdown. What if she takes flight and attacks him when he's in his balloon!!
Characters are usually merged into one, including in the Original Wizard of Oz merging The Good Witches of the North and South being merged into one character. It’s odd to divide a character into 2.
The way you broke down Madam’s Marbles powers is so intriguing
I’ve been thinking about it for days 😂
You're spot on about the Disney references.
The songs sound like they are canned and being piped in, while the "cast members" lip synch the welcome song and Ozmania song on the top of every hour.
It gives that energy very much.
Thats not even including the merch on the "Main Street USA" streets, the branded costumes/uniforms, and the wizards VERY "World of Tomorrow" vibes.
Yes yes to all of this!
I also saw an interview with Jon Chu recently that originally the Wizomania scene was going to be similar to "it's a small world" - a ride that took them through the story of Oz , while in a boat! I love this idea and wish they could have combined them...
Now I need a Madame Morrible origin story. Please be the screenwriter for this!
I woulc do it in a clock tick!!!
I read the novel before seeing the play, I THOUGHT Morrible was going to turn out to be Mombi the witch, because IF I remember right, Morrible went to great lengths to keep the story of Ozma hidden
I think it's Elphaba because she's on Fiyeros horse riding to his old family home where he then knocks on the trapdoor since that's after Dorothy goes back to Kansas
He mentioned it in Act 2 of the musical before ALAYM
His family does own many castles
“Where do you live?” “…. The other castle….” 😂😂
I LOVE where your mind went on these! I noticed your first clues too (chamges about mme morrible, etc) but didnt go down the rabbit hole like you did. Some of the videos ive watched, you can tell they're just going for views since wicked is popular/trending right now... But in yours you can tell you have loved the world for a long time!
Almost my entire life!!! 😫
I didn’t get “emerald city is Disneyland” but I did get “The wizard is Walt Disney”
With the whole idea of him wanting to bring a spark of imagination, the Oz diagram and plan, the wanting to wow and entertain and be a showman.
I also reacted to Keala Settle's casting, when she turned out to not have anything to sing, in the end. Why would they hire someone, with a set of pipes like hers - for a musical - and not use it, somehow? Though, I wonder how she's going to be used in the 2nd movie, if they will, because the 2nd act takes place some years after everyone has left Shiz University. Doesn't Elphaba return to Shiz, in the novel, some years later to kill Madame Morrible? Maybe they'll use that storyline for Mrs Coddle instead?
Yes! Hmmmm im so interested to see 👀
I'm thinking the same thing! It's actually one of, if not, my favorite scenes in the book, because it really showed that Elphaba had started becoming trully wicked. It's been awhile since I read the book, but I believe there's a scene at the school where Elphaba tries to conjure a fireball to incinerate Morrible, who brings up a group of students and Elphaba thinks about how they're a necessary sacrifice, which leads to her backing away before returning years later to kill Morrible with the book.
I do think Mrs. Coddle will have the big singing parts in "March of the Witch Hunters".
I totally thought of the new intro to One Short Day as “Disney singing”.
I saw the Emerald city as Time Square in New York.
L. Frank Baum based the Emerald City on the White City of the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, which was the closet thing to a Disney World that existed at the time, so basing it on Disney World would 100% make perfect sense.
YESSS!!!!
Finally someone who also noticed that they definitely split up the Madame Morrible from the stage show into two characters: Michelle Yeoh got the more serious, sinister aspects of the role, and Keala Settle got to play the goofy aspects of the role as Miss Coddle. I think it worked well.
i love your drought/Morrible theory
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17:50 I didn’t clock it myself (even after three viewings of the movie) but when you were describing that part I immediately thought of the beginning of “Jolly Holiday” in _Mary Poppins_ because Burt does the same thing (“I feel like I could fly” line of the song). That’s how I mainly remember it as. I didn’t realize it was a thing Walt Disney did and it’s been ages since I saw _Saving Mr Banks_ so I might have forgotten about him doing it there.
Very very interesting, thanks for sharing all your theories. Love it.... If it is Elphaba on the horse.. it would make sense why they zoomed in on her studying Dr Dillamond's map & focused on the "tunnel out of Oz" (I think thats what it was called, or something like that I cant remember exactly and cant find a still) that leads to the impassable desert. I love the Glinda thought of it all though and it's a toss up for me as to who it is. Hmmm
Oooh yes!! Honestly I think it works equally well being either of them!
I’ve been saying the shot of the impassable desert is going to return. It felt significant in W&I
First, YES!! I heard Disney 💯!!! But. I thought it was like showing the immersive magical world that is Oz. They didn't wear glasses to make everything appear green, everything was green and ,"emerald " like. To me, approaching and entering Oz gave the feeling that witches are a lot like princesses-everyone wishes they were a witch kind of like little kids wish they were a princess.
Let's assume that with Morrible's help (Joe else could he?) the Wizard built the Emerald City. WHY GREEN??? Green with envy of the only thing that pops into mind. They have 7 colors in their rainbow and that's reflected in the countryside with the tulips that the munchkins grow and harvest (why tulips?? Besides the fact that they bloom at the same time and work well for cinematic purposes). Emerald City could have been Ruby City, Sapphire City, Amethyst City and so on. I'm just wondering, why the color green.
As for Morrible, could she know that a only magical person, like a "muggle" (1/2 of Oz 1/2 of our world bring the rainbow) can read the grimerie? So, she summons someone from our world and ends up with the "wizard" who arrives via magical balloon. We know he's a huckster, a con so his elixers would have no value, no power esp over the rainbow (everything back home was gray and dull), unless she intentionally cast a spell into that bottle and sent the wizard to woo the governor's (why isn't he the mayor of Munchkin Land?😂) wife.
She's probably known about Elphaba's existence and like Harry Potter, waiting for her arrival bc she knows Elphaba is chosen. She was more than excited to get the wizard to notice Elphaba that she contacted him so he'd invite her there. Did she intend to mark the love child of the half human, half Ozian to intentionally be green so she could identify her when the time was right? Did she just intend for him to impregnate any woman in Munchkin Land or did she know it was the governors wife? Maybe Elphaba's mom had great powers when she was young? We know Nessa also possesses more power than the average Shiz student. I really am stuck on the city being the same color as Elphaba and how and why was the elixir green and magic?
I love that the bullet train takes people straight into oz, and I find it creative and funny that poor Dorothy, after getting pulled from Kansas to Oz and landing on Nessa, she's sent by Glinda (who's ridden the train) to follow the yellow brick road that she knows is a long, winding road (though I get that these are two storybooks merged into one and crossing timelines). Talk about the scenic route!! Did she really want Dorothy to succeed, or was it a distraction? Trying to prevent her from making it to Oz? I'm this storyline, she KNOWS the Wizard is a fraud, powerless so why send Dorothy on a wild goose chase Glinda? Or, did Morrible direct you what to do with her? She was trying to lure Elphaba out of hiding by summoning Dorothy to Oz and maybe even looking Nessa, not just threatening her.
Regarding again, the whole Disney vibes-I got a lot of Mary Poppins type feelings, like magic blows in when help is needed, and there's a way to cross into the magic world over the rainbow-in Mary Poppins, she does it by jumping into a colored chalk picture instead of using a rainbow as the portal. Once in the magic land, everything is over the top, like nothing back home where it's dirty, dingy and gray-you can just feel the magic!
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the Broadway Wicked, but we know from the OG movie that the wizard claims he'll take Dorothy back. Did the maybe just tie in that he was no longer needed so Glinda and Morrible want him gone? I'm a bit confused as Dorothy plays a part in this story-she "melted" Elphaba, so how is it intended that the Wizard would help her get back if Glinda kicks him out before Dorothy even gets back from her quest? I'm confused, and like I said, none of that is known to me since I haven't seen the live show.
Curious to hear how these puzzle pieces go together and whether anyone else thinks the wizard giving Elphaba 's mom that green elixir was maybe Morrible's doing and a potion created by her? Thoughts please!!
I thought Nessarose cast a spell on Boq because he broke her heart by loving Glenda. This inadvertently shrinks his heart so Elphaba turns him into Tinman so he doesn’t die. So she saves him.
This is what happens in the musical! And we have the song "wicked witch of the East" that is left off the soundtrack.
I heard somewhere that Ariana Grande had to take riding lessons! That definitely fits the theory that she is the person on the horse.
I just heard this yesterday too!!! 👀
@tyler_warwick have you seen the videos where Jon Chu talks about Elphaba's relationship with gravity??? There are a few very subtle clues that she might not need the broom to fly... The flying rocks at the beginning (childhood scene), leaping in Wizard and I, and in DG there are a few clues ... I need to see the movie again to verify. But it immediately made me think of this convo. If she doesnt need the broom to fly, does that change whom we think is on the horse???
Loving your videos and that horse theory is so interesting, makes me even more excited for Part 2. I saw it for the 3rd time tonight and cried. Again. Haha they did such an amazing job. Seeing the OG cast on Broadway and now watching the movie has been such a special experience.
Aaaaah what I would have given to see the OG cast 😭💚
We need the Madame Morrible prequel now
I’m fully on board with your Madam Morrible/Wizard theory! It gives a deeper and more sinister edge to their whole plot. Plus it explains how The Wizard leaves so easily, he wasn’t that invested in OZ itself rather the opportunity for adoration and praise it provided, like the carnie Oscar Diggs he truly is.
However I disagree with your theory about Glinda being the horse rider we’ve seen in the trailer. I don’t think they would have Ariana Grande do For Good not in the pink bubble dress. Not to mention we’ve already seen that image of Glinda running up a flight of stairs with the Grimmere in the bubble dress.
I think the rider is most definitely Elphaba on Fiyero’s horse. Probably riding to the emerald city to go get Fiyero. Since as we know from the Wizard of Oz that’s where we last see the scarecrow. My guess is they meet up again and reunite properly then ride off into the badlands as one of the final shots of the movie.
First of all I LOVE YOU!!!! Second, OMGeeeee!!!! 😮 I JUST saw Wicked for the first time yesterday! DON’T JUDGE ME FOR WAITING SO LONG! My heart hurts enough already. ANYWAY. 😉 You know what this lil’ ole video of yours did for me?!? MADE ME WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN (which, duh, I was already PLANNING to) and again and again and again! THANK YOU for the rabbit hole you’ve sent me down. You can find me there for the foreseeable future. 😀
YAAAAY!
This is such a good video! I’ve been obsessing over the hooded figure and you and I have almost identical theories.
The thing that got me that I noticed straight away when it starts to rain morrible stops elphaba from getting wet , where she does get wet in the musical. I’m putting this down to the space of a year is to long to sit with people and will give away the ending. where as in the musical melting is mentioned in thank goodness a few times and when she doesn’t melt you remember she got Wet in the beginning.
All your theories sound reasonable, Tyler. Thanks for the video! 😊
Yaaaay I’m glad 😍
@@tyler_warwick 🥰
I thought exactly the same about One Short Day! It sounds like the beginning of Fantasmic!!
“Imaginationnnnn….dream a fantastic dreammmm…”
I thought of Fantasmic too!!!!
obsessed with this lighting
Ngl I like Cynthia’s version of defying gravity rather than idina’s because when idina sings it she has more anger in her voice which isn’t bad but when Cynthia sang it it sounds like she is relieved she is finally free from judge and she doesn’t care of anyone thinking she is wicked
Very good discussion. You have very interesting theories!
Thank you!! I needed to voice these 😂😂
I think you are on to something here!!! Loved your theories
If you are patient and into reading, I highly recommend reading the original Wicked novel by Gregory Maguire
I liked the book. Each medium is different but compliment each other to broaden the story
I’m still stuck on the dual color eyes of the monkey guard, because one is vivid green and has a scar on that eye and I can’t help but theorize that the wizard did experiments to change the monkeys eye color
The Oz Dust is played for laughs in the musical and much more of a drama in the movie.
2nd viewing of film tonight. Seen the musical 7 times or so since 05 when I first saw Megan Hilty and Shoshana Bean
YES!! Omg I’m so jealous you saw them, I love them both!!
I think you're definitely right, especially the final theory!!
Morrible was sorta away from everyone & on the side during the ball scene . No one but Glinda knew why she was there per their chat and it looked like morrible left after the chat. The students seemed too busy enjoying themselves to notice as well. And then everyone was all about elphaba’s hat & the dance happened seconds after… so morrible making a quick appearance without being noticed was believable to me 🤷♀️
A few days ago, the script to the movie was released, and the Wiz-o-Mania part of One Short Day was supposed to be a *ride*. Like a theme park ride.
great theories!!!!! i believe the cloaked figure is Elphaba riding Fiyero's horse though.
YES! I needed someone to talk about the Disney World references. On my first viewing of the movie, I could have sworn I saw a hidden Mickey in the red glass at the start of Elphaba’s dad singing. I brushed it off because there is no way Universal Studios, Disney’s Orlando rivals, would do that. Then, I saw all the fireworks around the castle and I knew there was a Disney link. Also, as soon as Elphaba and Glinda enter the castle, there are several tall flower displays that look like fish or dolphins. I have stayed at the Swan and Dolphin hotel a couple of times on the Disney World campus and those huge fish looking dolphins are all over the roof. Also, I’m still trying to figure this one out…please help me…. On my third viewing (yes, third) I saw a carving of what appears to be Rapunzel’s side kick chameleon in the beige wall, right next to Elphaba’s head, as she leaned on it singing I’m Not That Girl. It was maybe a foot tall. I may have to watch Tangled to figure it out. I love your theory about Madame Morrible too.
Omg yessss about the flower displays!!! And oooooh I didn't notice the chameleon I'll watch out for it next time!
OBSESSED with this video and these theories
As someone who also worked in a theme park, I could definitely relate to what you were saying. At one point in the movie I literally thought that this was very Walt Disney-esque. At the same time, I can't help but imagine Universal adding a Wicked themed area in one of their parks.
I wonder if they’ll update the Epic Universe plans to leave room for an eventual Wicked themed section.
I could see it more likely added into EU somehow rather than IoA or Studios anyway
good point on glinda at the end. glinda even says smth akin to "after the wizard's surprising departure" at the beginning of the movie
Which I don't get, since we see Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tinman and Lion headed toward the Emerald City with Elphaba's broom. The Wizard should not be gone yet at that point
unrelated to the actual video content: i am so jealous of your squishmallows 💚💖
I just got them yesterday and they’re the first squish mellows I’ve ever had!
this wasn’t a big change but they don’t sing something bad in the classroom anymore
Yes!! I loved this change! To make it a secret meeting between the animals!
ya, it also let us see more of what the other animals think
@@Nowegotbadblood "that couldn't happen here in Oz." that lyric in that low range was my fav line in the musical
I like to think that Madam Morrible was once the Wicked witch of the south before she teamed up with the wizard to take over oz.
I thought that there was a line in the musical saying “I can only read a spell or two” talking about the grimerie but she doesn’t say that in the film
In the film she says she can only read a word or two.
i've been asking myself why we spot dorothy and crew going to the wizard with the broom right at the beginning of the movie, isnt no one mourns the wicked after she and the wizard leave oz? glinda even says "...with the wizard's unexpected departure"
What if Morrible creates the tornado that brings Dorothy and she has Galinda in her back pocket to manipulate Dorothy?
Spoilers:
She does.
@@MissManday Thats what I immediately thought when they spoke about her controlling the weather.
So Gregory Maguire said he wrote The Wicked Years series because of the idea of "unreliable narrator" as well will the fact that L Frank Baum(writer of the original wizard of Oz series) was said to have had a personality not unlike the wizard in his books. So he wanted to basically present the world without that unreliable narrative and see the world through adult eyes. Including the social commentary about how rumors can create fake history. Amongst many other social commentaries also added as Baum did originally as well(Baum had the shoes silver and added the fear of having then telling my away because it was during the time the government was getting rid of silver backing of currency and he was afraid they were going to take his silver, which was a common fear)
Also I should add that the wizard being basically a self insert is probably why Baum wrote him back into his books but being practically just the weird but lovable uncle. Especially since Dorothy was based on Baum's niece that passed away in infancy and wanted to help the other children (and him and the whole family honestly) grieve better with the idea of her going on to go on wild and exciting adventures.
So there is an old song they used to use to open wdw, if you look up Walt Disney World welcome show it should pop up, and it sounds exactly like that intro to one short day….
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I’ve seen the movie twice and I love it!!!👑🫧💖🧹💚
Totally agree with the Miss Coddle theory and hope that its true.
My mom has never seen the play. She loved the movie and when we talked about it after she asked me about the horse rider and I was like ummmmmm🤐🤐🤐🤐 I didn't see that lol I assumed it was elphaba but you know it may have been Glenda hmmmmm
OH NOOR 😩😂😂
Excellent video excellent content
These are some great ideas! I really like the movie as well. (YESSS! I AM THE 4TH COMMENTER!)
Thank you!!!
GENIUSS!!!!
Hey Tyler remember me? I’m gonna watch wicked this Saturday 💚🩷
Aaaah enjoy!!!
I watched this movie last night I’m so glad I found this video because the lore is amazing and this movie was a just beautiful masterpiece
I love all of this! I'm bookmarking and I'm going to be so disappointed with the filmmakers if they don't follow through! 😁
Michelle Yeoh is DEFINITELY in charge of everything. And Keala Settle is DEFINITELY going to sing.
Finally watched the movie today. YES! Immediately recognised the emerald city as the Disney castle and said just that to my buddy i was watching with
I have to admit, I'm intrigued by some of the reasoning you laid out here for Madame Morrible's modified characterization for the films. My only criticism of it lies in the fact that with Miss Coddle's welcoming address to incoming Shiz students, there's much fanfare around Mme. Morrible joining the faculty this year as something of a celebrity professor. I believe Miss Coddle was created as a way to add more of a smokescreen to Mme. Morrible's intentions. As Michelle Yeoh plays her, they're quite smart to make the character more mysterious rather than the loud and brash busybody she's always been portrayed as in the musical; that kind of a character isn't easy to adapt to the big screen. Though her clear disdain Galinda in the first film is evident, moviegoers unfamiliar with the story might not be able to peg Mme. Morrible as a villain quite so quickly as in the Broadway show. Adding Miss Coddle as a red herring only makes revealing Morrible as a villain all the more surprising. To at least a few people, that is.
Keala Settle's role is small, but it serves a specific purpose....and sadly, that specific purpose is largely confined to the first film. _Wicked_ has so many characters as it is and if the first film is any inclination, Chu understands whose stories they need to build upon for the most emotional impact: Elphaba, Glinda, Fiyero, Boq, and Nessarose primarily, with only the origins of how Mme. Morrible and the Wizard came to be in alliance important enough to expand upon. Introducing another brand-new character and having to develop them would only result in taking time away from the other stories. Chu's smarter than that.
Did anyone pick up on the visual in the Wizard's showing off the model of his silhouette in the yellow spotlight? It reminded me of Stokowski conducting in Fantasia.
I think they drizzled a little pit of Philosophy Club to Ozdust Ballroom.
It being more scandalous and there being Animals.
I bet most wicked fans know who the person ok the horse is that includes myself!
21:26 OHH 😮
i think that Fiero is on the horse, going to help elphaba. also i think when glinda put the statue of the bad witch on the fire she knows that is just a theatre and elphaba lives or she is a Marbles puppet in this story (but i hope not, i think she is naive but also good friend to elphaba forever)
I think the cloaked figure is elphaba meeting fiyero at the secret tunnel to meet fiyero
The wizard is 💯 based on walt disney. This could also be seen as a jab at Disney because theyve wanted access to the movie Oz IP for years, but rhey couldnt get it without pushing back back the public domain rilules to hold on to mickey mouse. Its hilarious that this came out within a couple uears of Mickey entering the public domain.
If Wicked connects with the Wizard of Oz why does Glinda seem to have no powers while in the Wizard of Oz she does?
Watch Charlie Chaplin‘s dance in the great dictator, with the globe
Sooooooo good
16:45 Which one?
I’m not seeing these as plot holes. Sorry.
What if Glinda becomes the next leader instead of madame morrible and that’s what she was talking about and that’s the story of how I became the leader
What if and yea I know they’re answers for this lol but what if Madam whatever can’t read it because they intentionally kept it a secret from her because she is the biggest big bad