It sets Fiero as quickwitted and kind. He never never sees Elphaba as different. (Other than his charms did not work on her… First time for everything) He takes everyone at face value. When he first meets Boc in the library, he is immediately “oh my I knocked you down are you OK? Hello Nice to meet you “ And obviously could not care less that Boc is shorter, from munchkinland or anything else. Fiero takes everyone as they are.
@@germainesfBoc isn’t even short just … shorter. The movie did such a bad job showing the varying heights of Munchkinland. And if it wanted it to just be a cultural thing it also failed miserably at hammering that in. It just made me, a 5’1” person, really confused???
@@asmrtpop2676I’m not a little person so i can’t speak for anyone in the LP community, but I believe they didn’t cast anyone of shorter stature because they wanted to redirect the terminology of Munchkin in real life (derogatory towards LP) I’m unsure if this was welcomed/approved by the community or not, as Peter Dinklage has talked about Snow White
I think a VERY important change is that instead of the nurse saying "it's atrocious" she says "It's uncanny" making her father the first and only person in the room refusing to accept Elphaba's skin, rather than just be surprised by it. It's an important distinction. It tells the audience maybe people would be okay with her skin color, but if one loud person in the room isn't, it can overrule everyone else. It felt...timely.
Yes! Not to mention his position as Governor of Munchkinland. It’s not just that he was the loudest in the room and led the “conversation” around Elphaba; it’s also that he’s the one with the power and influence to create a narrative in the very culture of Oz. Very, very timely stuff indeed.
Elphaba seeing that Fiyero has a good relationship to his Horse makes for a really good reason to (unconsciously) choose him to help her free the Lion cub.
i don't know if anyone has mentioned it but fiyero does make a comment about elphie's skin color! he says something about her 'blending in with the foliage' but he never brings it up again after that
The way he delivered it I thought the implication was that he was going to say that anyway before he saw her properly and then sort of regretted it when he saw her skin colour lol
But blending in isn’t specifically about her skin colour. Her clothing also helped her blend in I expect too. Blending in isn’t so much making fun as more stating a fact. Where as “maybe the driver saw green and though it meant GO” is making an outright joke.
My biggest qualm with the movie is that they cut the fact that everyone’s wearing the green glasses in the emerald city so they don’t notice Elphie. There’s a moment in the stage show before Wizomania where Elphie stops to take it in and says, “I want to remember this moment. Always. Nobody’s staring. Nobody’s pointing. For the first time, I’m somewhere… where I belong.” That’s what makes it make sense that Elphie feels so comfortable in Oz. And as someone who relates to Elphie bc of her physical differences, I wish they had kept that in.
It's an interesting metaphor. I remember visiting NYC and despite how crowded it was I felt so much less self-conscious because because everyone has to maintain mental separation despite being close to other people. You can walk down the street having a personal conversation at regular volume and *nobody cares* unless you stop walking and block their path! Another parallel is like how everyone favors green in the EC, most everyone in NYC wears black outerwear and the only time I felt like I stuck out was in Grand Central Station as the only person wearing a blue coat.
Yes, I missed that line too. I think the main dialog cuts/changes had to do with the fourth wall breaking element of theater being gone in a movie. That line is said to Glinda, but it's really for the audience. Movies don't do that kind of interaction often because it feels weird. This feeling really played out for me with the "I'm Not That Girl" sequence. I felt that whole scene was boring in the movie because it missed the isolation and singing to the audience onstage. Elphie off in the corner watching Fiyero and Glinda have a cute couple moment, all the while expressing her heartache and low self esteem to the audience as the rain comes in felt intimate in a way the movie scene just doesn't. It isn't poorly done in the movie by any stretch, but I didn't get that "I'm crying because the girl of literal color knows that fairytalres don't end with the witch and the handsome prince running off together" feels.
The changes to Madame Morrible’s character and writing are setting up more malicious implications regarding her part in the Wizard’s agenda. She is essentially tenured in a prestigious position at a learning institution in which she can single-handedly control the access to the knowledge and harnessing of magical power in Oz. And what does she do? She doesn’t teach - she gatekeeps that knowledge. She is a looming shadow in the campus reporting back to the Wizard of her observations. She’s a spy and has probably been for a while. I feel the omission of her promotion as Press Secretary is hinting that she had already been in an established working relationship with the Wizard, perhaps his second-in-command. And the increased importance placed on the Grimmerie in the movie, particularly that only one is prophesied to be fluent in its lost language, could potentially hint that the Wizard executed the same deception scheme on Morrible to prove her worth to him. She must have caught on but was swayed into silence and compliance through nepotism and bribery. This could explain why Morrible is so adamant about Elphaba having the potential of being his “Magic Grand Vizier,” a real position of power that feeds on Elphaba’s desire to be respected while holding off her suspicions that the Wizard is powerless until she herself became complicit within his system.
Okay, that's brilliant. I'm certain that the way in which Morrible "proved herself" was by creating the Great Drought (weather is her specialty!) and so, she's been the Wizard's partner in crime for a minute. But I hadn't considered that she may have been initially deceived into it, as Elphaba was with the winged monkeys. And I hadn't thought about the way her "I don't teach every semester" sinecure is a method of gatekeeping talented youth! That makes so much sense out of something that seems ridiculous on its face, with her administrative duties reassigned to the new Mistress Coddle character.
In the scene where Elphaba magics Nessa into the air one the side effects was that a portion of the wall is knocked off and you can see a mural portraying Animals underneath.
37:14 One of the things Ariana said that about was, "The Wizard will see you now." That line was replaced in the first film script she read with, "Who rung that bell?" She immediately texted Jon to call her because she felt so strongly, and then contacted Cynthia and they both talked with Jon about getting the line back in.
In terms of Fiyero, I think maybe he’s more thoughtful in the film so there’s less of a feeling he makes a 180 in his personality for Elphaba. I think it’s to make them more compatible, but also to show the extent to which Fiyero masks his intellect with Galinda and everyone else?
35:27 Ethan Slater (Boq) mentioned in a recent interview that the line "lemons, apples, and pears--oh my!" was in the film script and even filmed but didn't make the final cut. I hope we get some deleted or extended scenes.
Well yeah because this is a movie and not a musical. Believe it or not with movies there has to be more visual and even pace out scenes to make it an enjoyable movie 😂 like... Duh?@@kawaii33366
Hold on... I was sure he was just mistaken at that point, because I remember that line being in it, and I don't know the show well enough to know the line from it (I've only heard the cast recording before this). They haven't edited it back in, have they? I remember the line! I remember doing the DiCaprio point when it happened!
a very small change that i really liked but can't fully put into words why is during the moment in popular where galinda says "you're beautiful". to my memory, that moment in the stage show is underscored by the intro from i'm not that girl - but in the film it's underscored by the intro to for good. i guess maybe i like it because it feels like that moment is more about the two women as a pair? also because visually we're seeing the reflection of both of them together too?
I also think that it makes the moment more *positive* and genuine, the implication of ‘you’re beautiful’ being underscored with ‘I’m Not That Girl’ introduces strife and possible jealousy/bitterness into the moment (at least from how it comes across to me) it feels a bit like associations are being drawn to ‘I’m not like her/I can never be like that/she’s prettier than me’ etc Whereas that moment being connected to For Good instead instead draws to mind ideas of ‘oh the way I view you is changing/I’m starting to grow closer to you/we’re already having an effect on each other by becoming friends’ At least from my interpretation of the moment it feels more like ‘I am genuinely complimenting you and experiencing growth’ vs ‘oh…you’re actually pretty and maybe you’ll steal Fiyero from me…’ And ofc maybe I’m reading too much into it! 😅 I just the this moment having a connection to the ‘Our friendship has had a major impact on my life (and I believe it was a positive one)’ song vs the ‘I wish I was more like her and I’m full of jealousy and a little bit of self loathing’ song 😅
@15:58 ! THANK! YOU! I have been saying this since I saw the movie, and you're the first person to bring it up.They split Morrible's role up BECAUSE Yeoh's Morrible is way more stern and has a different sort of charisma than the stage version did. Personally i LOVE the change. I always felt like it was weird for Morrible to just leave Shiz with the girls, whereas in the Movie it 100% makes sense.
As a blind person I love that Nessarose has more agency and that the changed intro between Galinda and Elphaba makes the latter even more of a disability icon. I was surprised but happy with the changes to Fiyero because we are actually seeing the pretense that she speaks of in the show. We know what she's talking about in the film because this is an act he can play incredibly well and for some reason is choosing to hide the fact that he has more depth so she does change him but it's not as dramatic a change and depending on how part two goes this could have much greater resonance than what we have to go on from the musical. It's also a bit more fitting with the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz film who constantly claims that he doesn't have a brain and isn't smart but is always the person to get Dorothy and Co out of trouble with some quick thinking.
I really love the Fiyero change. It feels so much better that he becomes an ally she didn't realize she had, rather than a smarmy doofus who got to use her as a stepping stone in his own character arc. It uplifts both characters, and makes for such a sweet moment. He becomes an excellent contrast to Galinda as well.
@kawaii33366 I meant Elphaba to Galinda, with her line chastising Galinda's comment about fixing her. Nessarose is no one's disability icon by the end; she's not written to be.
To me the biggest difference was Glinda's agency in choosing not to go with Elphaba during defying gravity. She's singing that their choices are diverging, but she's right beside Elphaba, like she is waffling and wants to go. On stage, she pushes Elphaba away (to go hook her harness), and Elphaba is gone before the guards grab Glinda. In the movie the guards grab Glinda and tear her away from Elphaba, so it isn't clear Glinda 100% chose to not go with her, the guards prevented her from going when Elphaba flew away. I don't know that they meant to do that, but both kids I was with didn't realize Glinda made her choice, and I visibly saw the difference and thought it was huge.
Regarding "what does Mme. Morrible do when she's not teaching sorcery?" I've heard several reviewers bring this up. In the US at least where I went to school, we had college professors who would teach "specialty" classes usually based on their PhD, but that's not all they did. There might be a biology professor with a specialty in marine biology. They'll teach a full slate of general studies and adjacent classes such as basic college biology and even English Composition (they're all qualified teachers) and fewer specified Marine Biology courses so they can work full time. But for a specialty class "underwater basket weaving" there might not be enough students interested in that class to fully fill it if it were offered every semester or every year, so the Marine Biology professor teaches their normal classes year round, and then may only be scheduled to teach their unique specialty class in Underwater Basket Weaving once a year or every other year (with the assumption that the students are there for a couple years at least so they won't miss it when it is offered and fill the class.) This basically jibes - Dillamond says "true sorcerers are rare" so Morrible doesn't need to teach Sorcery as an open-enrollment class unless they discover one or more students with talent who can take advantage of it. It'd be like a school not bothering to sponsor a track and field team until they get enough students who are interested and are capable of competing in track events.
I also think that there's something to be said about how the university places her on such a pedestal, as shown when she's introduced in the movie. It boosts how prestigious the university is because they have THE Mme. Morrible on staff. So even if she isn't teaching much, it's worth keeping her around. Plays into the theme of how you're perceived is more important than the actual work you may or may not be doing.
@@user-ft3pj1nr6c And i was also assuming she would teach the history and theories of sorcery maybe? And not actually teaching magic which is a seminar
I’m about to graduate college and still don’t know how professors work, but I just got the vibe that a renowned professor still being employed but on standby until a student is qualified to take their class would just get to chill because they’re probably doing important research that the University loves or something. But this explanation makes sense.
I had a professor who i adored who only taught for for 10 weeks a year. And it was a single upper division physics class on general relativity where he also didn’t grade us for how correct we were, but just… if we gave it a really good genuine try. The rest of the year he did not teach a single class however. And this was a well-respected tenured professor with multiple accolades under his belt, someone who genuinely was good at what he did, had multiple grad students, led a lab, all of it… but he also only had to teach 10 weeks a year to 30 students who really wanted to be in his class w/ an easy grading scheme. And he was 100% getting away with it on the fact that he was a well respected physicist.
I think Fiyero is so much better in the film. In the stage production, their romance comes out of nowhere. In the film, they begin laying little breadcrumbs and hints right from that first meeting just by making him less of an asshole. Elphaba points out later how he’s pretending to be self absorbed so it makes sense for him to not be as vacuous and obnoxious as onstage.
Thank you for taking the time to make this! I only got to see the stage musical once in '08 and forgot so much of it, having someone so knowledgeable break down all the changes is fantastic
Same! She was the second Elphaba I saw, absolutely loved her in the role. I didn't recognise her in the movie though, then again it was such a small part.
Bravo on noticing all the changes between the stage show and the movie!!! I definitely enjoyed the changes made to the movie because it gave more depth to the characters, especially Fiyero. I love that he definitely seems more thoughtful and just chooses to have a superficial persona and Elphaba notices almost immediately. I also love Michelle Yeoh’s more serious take on Madame Morrible as more of a mentor because it makes it all the more heartbreaking and sinister when she turns on Elphaba . I’m so excited to see where part two goes!
hey i really loved the little visual gag you did to distinguish the two films by holding up the two different monkeys. it was fun and it genuinely really helped me keep things straight!
Okay so here’s the thing about home being like “let’s get to class” that happens right after she’s doing toss-toss right next to him. He sees her trying to replicate Galinda and it’s not working out super well because she’s not galinda, and he likes her because she’s not galinda, she’s elphaba. I think it’s just another sign of his understanding and seeing her that’s has him being like “let’s go to class, stop worrying about being her when you can be you” which I still think fits into the dancing through life mentality
One difference I noticed is at the train station as Elphie is about to leave, Boq doesn't have his moment of snapping at Glinda and storming off and Nessa thereafter snapping at Elphie when she tries to comfort her. Instead, in the movie, after Nessa introduced Boq to her dad, she becomes visibly upset and rolls away when she sees how enamored Boq is with Glinda's proclaimed name change.
I wonder if they're going for Nessa developing a resentment for Glinda and in part 2 its Glinda that enchants the shoes like in the book and since Boq thinks he can leave now thanks to Glinda, that prompts Nessa to attempt the love spell that goes wrong
@@OliveDiamonds they are clearly going for another red definition of wicked. Rose seems to be a perfectly wonderful young woman making her way as best she can in the world. And then, it appears that wickedness is thrust upon her. She is clearly, willfully going to make the choices that lead her to be the wicked witch of East.
Edit: Oops! You addressed this in a reply to someone else's comment. Thank you. - - - - One thing that I've noticed being dismissed often is the careful effort not to perpetuate the "angry black woman" stereotype with Elphaba. hence why she gives a speech about why she's green. She's annoyed and hurt by being othered but only becomes enraged by the animal injustice and the Wizard's fraudulence. Cynthia Erivo sort of mentioned it in interviews where she said that Elphaba's been green all her life and people's reactions are nothing new by the time we meet her.
It felt very I’m explaining my disability to strangers with extra sarcasm because Im not explaining my life story To me. (I have done this, because people ask when they notice but I don’t always want to explain autoimmune conditions and their treatment to folks at work)
@gabriellehitchins9182 Having Spina Bifida myself, I noticed that both Elphaba and Nessa Rose walk through the world with awareness that most people don't care about understanding them. What I loved about Elphaba in particular was that she still found joy. The film needed to portray--and did so quite well in my opinion--black and disabled joy. Albeit more with Elphaba in The Wizard and I than Nessa Rose in Dancing Through Life.
It’s fascinating what they’re able/allowed to pull from the 1939 MGM film and what they can’t - for example, they cannot use the “Ruby Slippers” because that was purely an invention of the film and is a trademarked term under MGM (and even if they just made red sparkly shoes but didn’t use that term, it still would be legally prickly)… yet they can use Glinda’s pink dress instead of the blue one from the stage show of Wicked because you can’t trademark a color of a dress, and they never “named” her dress anything in the film. It’s just what she was wearing. Very interesting and nuanced stuff.
I've seen the film twice and think the next watch will be once it's available for streaming. So I really love these wicked Wednesdays! Still get to be reminded of the masterpiece ❤️ Great video. Thank you! (loved the monkeys 😁
Hearing the guards yell KILL HER in DG made me gasp, made me think I was mishearing the song all these years. It also makes Glinda’s refusal to stand up for Elphaba even more unnerving.
with regards to the discussion of the different productions: I saw the Swedish production earlier this year, and at the end of Defying Gravity Elphaba was pulled up in the air and over the audience and then vanished up into a hole in the ceiling, kind of like a reverse chandelier from Phantom moment 😂 It was super cool.
When you talked about the train and the impression that travelling around Oz isn't easy, it reminded me of a video on the Architechtural Digest channel where the production designer Nathan Crowley talks through some of the sets - it's absolutely fascinating! So much thought and detail goes into it. He mentioned transport in their decision to have the students arrive by boat.
37:07 ariana confirmed on a podcast that the line was “the wizard will see you now,” which is nuts to try and change!!! some people have then drawn the connection to the video of her and cynthia rehearsing one short day, when ariana reaches over and marks cynthia’s score - it’s likely that she crosses out the once-changed, now-restored line
Thank you for the two monkeys, it's a silly thing but as someone with a poor attention span I often miss when context is given verbally and having the continual visual cue was a really nice bonus
I wish I could have seen the stage version. I did not like it in the movie. Tragic? It was cringe and uncomfortable. Maybe that’s what they wanted? Funny would have worked better but I don’t think Cynthia can do funny.
@ There are clips of the stage version on TH-cam. No matter how good of a job that a movie’s adaptation is, it can’t replace the experience of seeing it live.
The "kill her" lyric change did strike me as a bit jarringly bloodthirsty - like, but she hasn't even done any 'wicked' stuff yet?? I also thought the Wizard's dance break in A Sentimental Man enhanced that song (with just a hint of sinister amidst the whimsy), and I love that they almost fled successfully (and together) in the balloon first. Looking forward to all the 'what if' fanfics from if they'd got away...
One of the differences I noticed was during popular when Galinda takes off Elphabas glasses. In the stage show it’s part of making her pretty. In the movie she puts them back and says “that’s better”. But then elphaba has no glasses the rest of popular and the movie. Very confusing and makes no sense to change it if you are still gonna ditch the glasses.
I'm not sure whether they do this in the stage musical or if something they added for the movie - either way, it certainly isn't in the original Broadway cast recording. In Dancing Through Life, after Nessa sings "and you felt sorry for me, well, isn't that right?" Ethan Slater as Boq says "oh no no, I don't feel sorry for you, you're great!" I'd like to imagine that was added at the behest of Marissa Bode, like as affirmation that disabled people don't need to be pitied
I really liked his performance there, the way the editing really emphasizes his crush on Galinda gives the implication that he's genuinely mortified to have come off as ableist because his actual ulterior motive was something else He feels more sincere in genuinely wanting to reassure her and I believe that he *wants* to be in love with Nessa at that moment
It's possible that Madam Morrible's position at the university could be a primarily research-based one; she mentions later having spent decades studying the Grimmorie which is the sort of high-profile thing a place like Shiz would be happy to fund, even if she usually doesn't take on students
I haven't seen the musical, but I think Fiyero is great because it explains why he would so quickly care about the plight of the Animals. He's definitely the type that needs a personal connection to care about a cause and that's his best friend they're targeting.
So let’s talk pre-this story when the wizard first landed. He clearly did not come in and immediately step into wizard sized shoes… If he had, there would’ve been no shenanigans with Elphaba‘s mother. I propose that he came in a balloon and flim flamed his way around Oz until he encountered Madame M. Then the two of them concocted a plan that led both of them to rise in power. Since Oz does not have an Ozma or any other major magic user from the books, Madame M is the only one who could have “verified“ his use of the Grimorie She has been working this plan from the beginning. Because there is no way no matter how good of a con man the wizard is, that he would know enough about Oz to pull this off by himself.
this sounds like the most likely timeline, but it still makes me wonder about madame morrible's true intentions and reasons for working with the wizard. since they got michelle yeoh for her, i really hope that part 2 also features more of her
I don’t think the later Fiyero dialogue doesn’t work, just that it paints a completely different picture of him as a character. But I’m biased as a blind movie watcher. It came across to me that being uncaring and vapid is his front, that he doesn’t want to care about things and has this sort of nihilistic hedonistic view because he wants to, not because it’s his natural state to be thoughtless and vapid. He espouses to not care because he doesn’t want to. If I’m psychoanalyzing him, he came across to me as someone who’s been burned before in the past for caring too much, and took on carelessness as a policy because he came to the conclusion that it was the smartest way to live. Glinda and him match up because his front matches with her (and her front? I’m not smart enough to analyze Glinda). She believes in his front that he doesn’t care and doesn’t like to think because he outwardly states it, so is shocked when he starts outwardly being introspective. Elphaba I don’t think cares about believing anything because either way he’s espousing apathy and being annoying, so she doesn’t care if it’s a front or not, she still thinks of him as a guy who doesn’t like to think critically, and may even be even more annoyed if she knows it’s just his personal choice. Either way, it’s still Fiyero portraying himself as one way and then acting different from how he usually does. Just my personal interpretation of him as a movie watcher, nothing came across as odd to me.
This exactly!! Fiyero is masking his normal introspectiveness as I assume some sort of coping/safety mechanism. Many people do this in real life as well, so to see so many people surprised or put off by Fiyero’s change for the movie actually surprised me because it was fairly blatant to me.
One other small thing - the clock of the time dragon. Granted, it would be out of place, since it primarily serves as a narration device, and a scene change, which isn't needed for the film, but I thought it was interesting that Glinda mentions it in the opening narration, and then it's never addressed again 😂
Hi! Just saying I think Morrible's entire role at the school is to seek the one who will be able to read the Grimmorie and is purely there for that purpose, not sure how implied that is or if it's just me reading into things, but I think that does reasonably justify her suspiciously lackluster role at the school
Just came out of the movie and I was suprised by how much more I liked the other characters besides Elphaba. I love how even though Fiyero knows he's hot and uses his social status to influence the other students and is a bit sassy, he's still really kind. That first scene where he meets Elphaba immediatly sets them up as a compatible pairing. I also love that more attention is brought to dancing through life actually being a quite sad song and his pain. In the stage version I saw, I thought Fiyero was a bit one note and taking away from the lesbian romance of glinda and Elphaba, but now he's my one of my fav characters. Also, Munckin boy and Nessarose are written with seemingly so much more compassion, tot the point that I really warmed up to them.
37:10 i saw an interview where ariana stated that the thing that almost made her quit was that they had replaced the line "the wizard will see you now!" with "who rang that bell???" she called the director and had him change it back. It would had been a nod to the 1939 movie, but ariana said it was an iconic line that could not be replaced. So I think that's the line she's referencing
So… the yellow brick Road is not yet built. So we will take an easily multi year jump into the future, that we always assumed happened in the stage version.
Thank you for this!! I just saw the movie today. My late best friend loved the stage play and always said I needed to see it. I haven't been able to afford tickets. But I was able to see the film. He would have been blown away! I went searching for the differences to kind of learn what my bff saw on stage and what I was able to see today. I'm looking forward to the next film! I hope to see the stage play in Detroit one day 💜
20:44 he does kind of comment on her complexion, something along the lines of “sorry we didn’t see you *pauses and notices her complexion* must have blended in with the foliage”
I'm surprised you didn't touch upon the differences in Elphaba's clothing. In the staged version, she is...., well let's put it bluntly: she starts of as a horrible dresser. She's been bullied her whole life, she doesn't particularly like people, and she doesn't feel any need to dress up. Her glasses and her frock kind of look like something your grandmother would wear, but it fits perfectly with who Elphaba is. Yes, she's bullied for being green, but her lack of confidence really shows through her looks, and her attitude is not helping her make any friends. But then in the movie, she wears all these well tailored outfits, and besides looking green, she looks very normal, if not just downright pretty. We're mostly told that she is weird through the reactions of her fellow students, but their reactions don't make as much sense as they do in the staged version. The Ozzdust ballroom outfit in the musical is quite obviously odd, so the reactions of the fellow students make sense to the audience. But in the movie... she wears a nice black dress, and with the hat, it's quite a look. Everyone ridiculing her felt a bit out of place. It also takes away so much from "popular", because instead of it being a makeover that genuinely transforms her and opens Elphaba's eyes to the fact that she can be pretty, it shows a good dressing girl who at the end of the song looks exactly the same, only with a flower in her hair. Instead of showing us some of the power/insights/strong points of Glinda, it now looks like Glinda is just forcing a makeover on someone who's already dressing nicely, making her come across as pushy and a bit disconnected. It really took away from Glinda's character. At the end of the movie, my friends (who had never seen wicked before) were wondering why anyone liked Glinda over Elphaba (and I think they made a fair point).
Im surprised you didnt talk about elphabas wardrobe and how she was very fashionable since the beginning (thereby when shes “galindafied” it doesnt have that much impact)
@ yeah but the fact that elphaba does not care (or pretends to not care) about her appearance is important to her arc and character, and is one of the main differences between her and glinda. Also i always felt she dressed as plainly as possible so as to not attract any more attention to herself, and those cunty shoulder pads sure do attract attention (but thats just my own reading of the character, not entirely based on the canon of elphaba). It’s actually kinda funny cuz when fyero says shes been galindafied i feel like her outfit is much more simple and demure that what she was seen wearing previously in the film. The only thing that would point to her trying to look good would be the omission of her glasses i guess. I feel like small details like her having long pampered nails, as per cynthias request, could have been used for that metaphor youre talking about, but when the entire picture is this fashion forward moment, it kills that entire arc for her, at least visually (and show dont tell is an important rule for cinema imo lol). She could still look expensive in much plainer, stricter clothes, but i guess they preferred having visually appealing looks for marketing ://
I read the book of Wicked and it was dark. I saw the wicked the musical in Seattle, at paramount theater. The musical is really good and I enjoyed with it. I saw part one of Wicked and it was really good. Ended the movie, it was epic. I can’t wait for part two.
It would be interesting to see a video explaining the differences between the stage and film versions and Maguire's novel, but that would probably be several hours long. The musical is only loosely based on the novel.
I wonder how part 2 is going to show the (spoilers) transformation of Boq and Fiyero. There’s a production in (I think) Brazil that shows Boq becoming the Tin Man instead of the transformation happening behind Nessa’s armoire. It’s chilling! Imagine if during No Good Deed, when Elphaba cries, “Fiyero, FIYERO!”, they cut to Fiyero becoming The Scarecrow to save his life.
I don't think there's a good way to do this on stage or screen, but in the original Frank L Baum book, the Emerald City wasn't green. Every visitor is forced to wear green glasses "for their protection." This is the first major reveal that there is something suspect about the wizard. The book doesn't explicitly tell the audience that's what's happening, but they make it obvious that a kid around 9 or 10 would probably notice, but younger than that and you'll miss it, older than that and it's really obvious.
I think the stage version Fiyero asks where is the most swankified place in town. Glinda says oz dust ballroom. But in the film its Fiyero that suggests it?
That line is my favorite Fiyero line, just cuz swankified is a fun word. I was sad it wasn't in the movie, though, I get why he had to suggest the oz dust. otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the movie for him to be kicked out of schools and be responsible for the corruption of his fellow students.
Re Madame Morrible - If Shiz is the most prestigious uni in the land - to have MM there as a part time teacher and using the uni resources to study the Grimnieie would be a coup for Shiz and attract the rich kids - ie Galinda and Fyero.
I love Jonathan Bailey and film's writer's take on Fiyero... the fact he's friendlier, more charming, and less shouty/bratty (even in his first encounter with Elphaba in the woods) fits with the character he's destined to turn into in Wicked Part 2. I could 110% see why Cynthia's quieter take on Elphaba would start to fall for him... the cocky stage version of Fiyero? Notsomuch.
I think you're misinterpreting Stage Fiyero a bit. I don't believe he's actually vapid; just nobody's challenged him, particularly intellectually. We know there's more to him than meets the eye because Elphaba already picked up on it and fell in love with him. The difference between the stage and the movie isn't that he was actually brainless, it's that in the movie he doesn't pretend quite as hard.
I think you’re misunderstanding his characterization tbh. He’s not saying Fiyero is genuinely brainless, but rather that he is portrayed as truly vapid, entitled, and careless (which is true if you’ve seen the stage production), but then after Elphaba he does a complete 180 and so his character change is quite sudden and dramatic. In the movie, his characterization has a lot more nuance; you can clearly see remnants of his future evolution, and his carelessness seems more like a performance. I hope what I’m saying makes sense? Thanks!
@evenafrozenheartcanmelt4351 i understand, I just disagree. I don't think he's ever actually careless or vapid, he just pretends to be. Elphaba clearly detects that in him, because she falls in love with him BEFORE any shift in his external character. He's always cared, he's just realized he can stop pretending he doesn't
@ Maybe I’m missing something, but doesn’t she not contextualize her feelings until “I’m not that girl”, which happens AFTER he helps her free the lion cub? Regardless of whether it is genuinely how he is or not, he acts extremely vapid throughout much of the first act and is presented to the audience as being that way fr (he is not in the movie). We, just like Elphaba, do not start seeing hints that there is more depth to his character until he frees the lion cub and elphaba points out that he seems unhappy and so couldn’t possibly be acting true to himself. In the movie, there are specific choices that do make him seem much more “thoughtful” from the get go. You can see his potential and the start of his character arch MUCH earlier, if not from the first scene we meet him, which feels very intentional. The way I think of it is like this: if you had NO idea about the show and you watched it for the first time on the stage, you would think Fiyero was an absolute brainless douche and be pleasantly surprised when he helps Elphaba. In the movie, it does not seem nearly as surprising; it’s fairly clear that Fiyero has depth from the outset. Have you seen the movie? How would you describe the difference in his introduction scene in the movie vs musical? Genuinely, I’m curious, because I think it’s hard to deny that there is a MASSIVE difference.
@evenafrozenheartcanmelt4351 I agree there's a difference, they probably wanted to show more of his inner character than they did in the show specifically to make the shift less surprising. In the stage show, our first sign is when he tells Elphaba she "need to do that", as in, change who she is, or pretend. Then Elphaba casts her spell on the entire class except for him. That's before the scenes you're referring to, and shows that something is happening. I love the choice to make his inner character more apparent, much sooner.
@@mithramusic5909 So I think by your own admission, you agree with MJT MUCH more than you think. Again, I do think there are some misunderstandings and hyper focus on wording, but you generally agree with him tbh… I don’t think that one line is much indication to an unsuspecting audience member seeing the show for the first time… I think you might think oh that’s nice, but I don’t think you would suspect he turns into the character that he does based on that one line. I also think there is a big difference between infatuation/attraction and genuine interest/desire. Before Fiyero helps Elphaba, I think she’s infatuated, but I don’t think she likes him as a person. I think if you asked her, she would categorically deny being attracted to him and call him dumb/shallow etc. She doesn’t explore or reveal her feelings until she realizes there is depth to his character. Us, as the audience, do not know she likes him until “I’m Not That Girl,” which was my point. In the movie, the only time she seems “disgusted” is when Fiyero sings “Dancing Through Life.” To me (and maybe this is because I know they get together so you could absolutely disagree with me), it seems to be clearer that Elphaba likes Fiyero earlier on and spots his potential sooner. From their very first meeting, she seems intrigued rather than just finding him charismatic (as is most likely the case in the stage show).
But 100%, Fiyero arriving on a TALKING horse completely puts his actions regarding the lion cub in a different light. He and Elphaba both have a love for talking animals, and therefore would both be distressed about Dr Dillamond and the lion cub. I am so eager to see what happens to that horse in part two. Is he silenced or taken once Fiyero joins the armed forces? Does Fiyero talk to him in secret so that he doesn't forget how to talk? I NEED TO KNOW!
As in the stage show, there are references to characters in the other Oz books of the series. The Sawhorse and the flat-headed characters (I think they were Quadlings, if I remember correctly) were always part of the Oz stories, but barely appeared in the first book. I believe that the Sawhorse had a book of his own. I thought it was brilliant to see them make an appearance!
i feel its unlikely ozians accepted him as the wizard unless one of them championed him and i feel it is madam m. that lady that said "he must be the wizard" in one short day is actually madam m. during that scene with elphaba and the grimmirie, the wizard is looking at madam m for direction like which spell should elphaba cast. in film version, i feel it is really madam m thats behind all these.
Fun fact, once in London during those last performances of a cast I did see a male Pfannee :) During one of the last performances of Alice Fearn's run.
I may have this wrong but wasn't it originally the fact that levitation was forbidden that made Elphaba's flying so shocking to everyone? And therefore such a 'defying' moment hence the point of the song!
Honestly, that Fiyero scene in the classroom confused the heck out of me. I would never thought I would hear him say "Let's get to class" after singing Dancing through Life. I audibly said 'what?'; given I haven't seen the Wicked stage musical before.
My theory on why they changed Fiyero's story (besides the Bridgerton references) is maybe they felt that they wouldn't be able to pull off his og arc in the films, Either bc of time or just the different medium, and so decided to make him more likeable from the beginning so the audience would be om board with him for Part 2
I thought that the Emerald City train conductor was going to be a cameo for Joel Gray. That would’ve made more sense about why Galinda/Glinda made such a fuss about him.
Bear who raise Elphaba is actually based on the nanny character from the book But she was human who helped raise Elphaba with Both of Elphaba’s parents and Ozdust Ballroom is partially based on Actually, the infamous philosopher club which is a sex club that have the infamous scene in it but in the musical and Movie they cut that out for obvious reasons And Ozdust (souls of the people of oz) in the book
Question, because you didn't quite mention it, and I've only seen the stage production once (saw the US national tour in September of last year!)- does Madame Morrible always like, take the credit for the magic Elphaba does in response to Nessa being wheeled away? I don't really remember it happening that way onstage so it surprised me a bit in the movie, but maybe I just missed it onstage.
@@MerileeGoLucky that is an addition for the film, she doesn't take credit for it on stage but she does almost immediately say "never apologise for talent"
Should be noted I definitely have a "Chistery" but ... his name is Nikko Lol . Have seen the movie twice so far .Almost went again yesterday but sleepiness (work overnights) . Definitely am wanting to go again, especially to a sing a long, but will see when I'm actually awake enough to do it. irony because the first two times were also on solo nights off, but ... I was damned determined the first time to go ASAP (went 21st) and second time I went with my sister. The movie did a FABULOUS job of translating the show to the screen.
You missed the song change in no one mourns the wicked. Instead of an insane harmony singing “Greeeeeen” like the stage, the dad speaks that line in the movie
37:15 actually i know what the line was. It wasn't the "pink goes good with green" its actually "the wizard will see you now" at the end of one short day. Funny thing about it that when they tried to film it without that a few of the cast (i cant remember who) still sang "the wizard will see you now" in either every take or nearly every take till it was added back in. Idk if that had been done maliciously orr if they are just so used to that one bit.
My biggest question with this movie is the gremory is said to only have one person to be able to read the book and it was alphabet in the movie so in the second half is Nessa going to turn back into the tin Man because how would she if she doesn't have power?
The only reason that the slippers are not ruby red is because no one wants to pay the royalties to Warner Brothers which owns the rights to MGM’s catalog. It will be interesting to see if the musical has any productions in 2038, when the copyright for the ruby slippers expires, if they are changed to ruby slippers, especially if it’s a revival. The musical even has a nod to the ruby slippers by turning them red when Elphaba enchant them. In some trailer scenes, we see Dorothy wearing Silver slippers, so I doubt they will turn red when Elphaba enchants them, but maybe briefly. Since the musical and now the film are so successful, if Warner Brothers was smart they’d just let the musical use the ruby slippers since it is a great advertisement for the original film.
@@heidifedor in the stage musical they briefly glow red during the incantation, but remain silver thereafter. I remember being convinced after seeing it as a child they fully turned red but it doesn't happen!
I agree, the film Fiyero is very different and I really like it. I like that Film!Fiyero isn't necessarily that he was always carefree & vapid until that first meeting with Elphaba, but more like he's become nihilistic? That's my take, anyway. Like he always wanted to be more genuine to who he is and forge less shallow connections, but gave up trying, since everyone around him in high society is so vapid and shallow and just weren't vibing with it. It's like his persona became his mask, rather than the true representation of who he is at the start of the story (as the stage show implies). And this makes "Dancing Through Life" in the film morph from the "cheeky carefree romp" feel of the stage version, into a more nihilistic number performed by Fiyero, disguised as a carefree romp. The film's take on Fiyero really made the "Nothing matters, if nothing really matters" line stand out way more than it usually does, imo; it's more like a cry for help. And, as Jonathan Bailey says in interviews, Fiyero in the film is really moved by Elphaba's vulnerability, specifically. She's the first person he's interacted with to be proudly genuine to herself and vulnerable. She's the first to call HIM out on not being so, despite wanting to be happy and have more meaningful connections to others; showing, again, Elphaba's capacity for empathy in that she recognized his call for help for what it was. It's a very interesting change & one that I think adds more depth to the relationship between Elphaba & Fiyero's dynamic. It also sets Fiyero's character more apart from Galinda at the start of the story, as Galinda is genuinely shallow and vapid upon her introduction.
I did see an interview where Ariana said she specifically recalled there being no "the wizard will see you now!" line and it being replaced with something like "ring the doorbell" or the doorbell ringing (I can't remember), and she called Jon M. Chu and was like "this line absolutely has to be in the movie!"
E: "No, I did not eat grass as a child."
F: "I did."
it killed me
That was the line that got me on board with the slightly different Fiyero in the movie. He had me at "I did!" 😂
It sets Fiero as quickwitted and kind. He never never sees Elphaba as different. (Other than his charms did not work on her… First time for everything)
He takes everyone at face value. When he first meets Boc in the library, he is immediately “oh my I knocked you down are you OK? Hello Nice to meet you “ And obviously could not care less that Boc is shorter, from munchkinland or anything else.
Fiero takes everyone as they are.
Well done. Thank you
@@germainesfBoc isn’t even short just … shorter. The movie did such a bad job showing the varying heights of Munchkinland. And if it wanted it to just be a cultural thing it also failed miserably at hammering that in. It just made me, a 5’1” person, really confused???
@@asmrtpop2676I’m not a little person so i can’t speak for anyone in the LP community, but I believe they didn’t cast anyone of shorter stature because they wanted to redirect the terminology of Munchkin in real life (derogatory towards LP)
I’m unsure if this was welcomed/approved by the community or not, as Peter Dinklage has talked about Snow White
I think a VERY important change is that instead of the nurse saying "it's atrocious" she says "It's uncanny" making her father the first and only person in the room refusing to accept Elphaba's skin, rather than just be surprised by it. It's an important distinction. It tells the audience maybe people would be okay with her skin color, but if one loud person in the room isn't, it can overrule everyone else. It felt...timely.
Yes! Not to mention his position as Governor of Munchkinland. It’s not just that he was the loudest in the room and led the “conversation” around Elphaba; it’s also that he’s the one with the power and influence to create a narrative in the very culture of Oz. Very, very timely stuff indeed.
i wondered why on earth they did that, but this does make sense
Elphaba seeing that Fiyero has a good relationship to his Horse makes for a really good reason to (unconsciously) choose him to help her free the Lion cub.
i don't know if anyone has mentioned it but fiyero does make a comment about elphie's skin color! he says something about her 'blending in with the foliage' but he never brings it up again after that
I was about to comment this.
The way he delivered it I thought the implication was that he was going to say that anyway before he saw her properly and then sort of regretted it when he saw her skin colour lol
@@wrigglebyI saw it a few hours ago and this is exactly the way it’s portrayed.
But blending in isn’t specifically about her skin colour. Her clothing also helped her blend in I expect too. Blending in isn’t so much making fun as more stating a fact. Where as “maybe the driver saw green and though it meant GO” is making an outright joke.
@@EmilyCheethamIt's not and I didn't believe that's how he intended it, but it can definitely come across that way.
My biggest qualm with the movie is that they cut the fact that everyone’s wearing the green glasses in the emerald city so they don’t notice Elphie. There’s a moment in the stage show before Wizomania where Elphie stops to take it in and says, “I want to remember this moment. Always. Nobody’s staring. Nobody’s pointing. For the first time, I’m somewhere… where I belong.” That’s what makes it make sense that Elphie feels so comfortable in Oz. And as someone who relates to Elphie bc of her physical differences, I wish they had kept that in.
YES
THIS!
“You look positively emerald” is my favorite line and I was so sad it was cut
It's an interesting metaphor. I remember visiting NYC and despite how crowded it was I felt so much less self-conscious because because everyone has to maintain mental separation despite being close to other people. You can walk down the street having a personal conversation at regular volume and *nobody cares* unless you stop walking and block their path! Another parallel is like how everyone favors green in the EC, most everyone in NYC wears black outerwear and the only time I felt like I stuck out was in Grand Central Station as the only person wearing a blue coat.
Yes, I missed that line too. I think the main dialog cuts/changes had to do with the fourth wall breaking element of theater being gone in a movie. That line is said to Glinda, but it's really for the audience. Movies don't do that kind of interaction often because it feels weird.
This feeling really played out for me with the "I'm Not That Girl" sequence. I felt that whole scene was boring in the movie because it missed the isolation and singing to the audience onstage. Elphie off in the corner watching Fiyero and Glinda have a cute couple moment, all the while expressing her heartache and low self esteem to the audience as the rain comes in felt intimate in a way the movie scene just doesn't. It isn't poorly done in the movie by any stretch, but I didn't get that "I'm crying because the girl of literal color knows that fairytalres don't end with the witch and the handsome prince running off together" feels.
The changes to Madame Morrible’s character and writing are setting up more malicious implications regarding her part in the Wizard’s agenda. She is essentially tenured in a prestigious position at a learning institution in which she can single-handedly control the access to the knowledge and harnessing of magical power in Oz. And what does she do? She doesn’t teach - she gatekeeps that knowledge. She is a looming shadow in the campus reporting back to the Wizard of her observations. She’s a spy and has probably been for a while. I feel the omission of her promotion as Press Secretary is hinting that she had already been in an established working relationship with the Wizard, perhaps his second-in-command. And the increased importance placed on the Grimmerie in the movie, particularly that only one is prophesied to be fluent in its lost language, could potentially hint that the Wizard executed the same deception scheme on Morrible to prove her worth to him. She must have caught on but was swayed into silence and compliance through nepotism and bribery. This could explain why Morrible is so adamant about Elphaba having the potential of being his “Magic Grand Vizier,” a real position of power that feeds on Elphaba’s desire to be respected while holding off her suspicions that the Wizard is powerless until she herself became complicit within his system.
Okay, that's brilliant. I'm certain that the way in which Morrible "proved herself" was by creating the Great Drought (weather is her specialty!) and so, she's been the Wizard's partner in crime for a minute. But I hadn't considered that she may have been initially deceived into it, as Elphaba was with the winged monkeys. And I hadn't thought about the way her "I don't teach every semester" sinecure is a method of gatekeeping talented youth! That makes so much sense out of something that seems ridiculous on its face, with her administrative duties reassigned to the new Mistress Coddle character.
In the scene where Elphaba magics Nessa into the air one the side effects was that a portion of the wall is knocked off and you can see a mural portraying Animals underneath.
A mural of the wizard no less
@booksvsmovies *in the voice of Glinda in "Popular"*: "Right!".
Ooh yeah that was a nice foreshadowing moment
37:14 One of the things Ariana said that about was, "The Wizard will see you now." That line was replaced in the first film script she read with, "Who rung that bell?"
She immediately texted Jon to call her because she felt so strongly, and then contacted Cynthia and they both talked with Jon about getting the line back in.
Interesting. "Who rung that bell" would also have worked and been a reference to the MGM move... but I don't think it would have fit in the song.
I was about to comment this 😅😅
In terms of Fiyero, I think maybe he’s more thoughtful in the film so there’s less of a feeling he makes a 180 in his personality for Elphaba. I think it’s to make them more compatible, but also to show the extent to which Fiyero masks his intellect with Galinda and everyone else?
35:27 Ethan Slater (Boq) mentioned in a recent interview that the line "lemons, apples, and pears--oh my!" was in the film script and even filmed but didn't make the final cut. I hope we get some deleted or extended scenes.
They lengthened the film to almost be as long as the musical but somehow had to cut iconic lines?
Well yeah because this is a movie and not a musical. Believe it or not with movies there has to be more visual and even pace out scenes to make it an enjoyable movie 😂 like... Duh?@@kawaii33366
Hold on... I was sure he was just mistaken at that point, because I remember that line being in it, and I don't know the show well enough to know the line from it (I've only heard the cast recording before this). They haven't edited it back in, have they? I remember the line! I remember doing the DiCaprio point when it happened!
@@kawaii33366he said it didn’t land well. Also I like how the movie doesn’t have all the funny lines. It saves some things for the show
The visual aid of using the monkeys was actually very helpful 😅 Thank you! ❤
I agree!!!
a very small change that i really liked but can't fully put into words why is during the moment in popular where galinda says "you're beautiful". to my memory, that moment in the stage show is underscored by the intro from i'm not that girl - but in the film it's underscored by the intro to for good. i guess maybe i like it because it feels like that moment is more about the two women as a pair? also because visually we're seeing the reflection of both of them together too?
I also think that it makes the moment more *positive* and genuine, the implication of ‘you’re beautiful’ being underscored with ‘I’m Not That Girl’ introduces strife and possible jealousy/bitterness into the moment (at least from how it comes across to me) it feels a bit like associations are being drawn to ‘I’m not like her/I can never be like that/she’s prettier than me’ etc
Whereas that moment being connected to For Good instead instead draws to mind ideas of ‘oh the way I view you is changing/I’m starting to grow closer to you/we’re already having an effect on each other by becoming friends’
At least from my interpretation of the moment it feels more like ‘I am genuinely complimenting you and experiencing growth’ vs ‘oh…you’re actually pretty and maybe you’ll steal Fiyero from me…’
And ofc maybe I’m reading too much into it! 😅
I just the this moment having a connection to the ‘Our friendship has had a major impact on my life (and I believe it was a positive one)’ song vs the ‘I wish I was more like her and I’m full of jealousy and a little bit of self loathing’ song 😅
@15:58 ! THANK! YOU! I have been saying this since I saw the movie, and you're the first person to bring it up.They split Morrible's role up BECAUSE Yeoh's Morrible is way more stern and has a different sort of charisma than the stage version did.
Personally i LOVE the change. I always felt like it was weird for Morrible to just leave Shiz with the girls, whereas in the Movie it 100% makes sense.
As a blind person I love that Nessarose has more agency and that the changed intro between Galinda and Elphaba makes the latter even more of a disability icon. I was surprised but happy with the changes to Fiyero because we are actually seeing the pretense that she speaks of in the show. We know what she's talking about in the film because this is an act he can play incredibly well and for some reason is choosing to hide the fact that he has more depth so she does change him but it's not as dramatic a change and depending on how part two goes this could have much greater resonance than what we have to go on from the musical. It's also a bit more fitting with the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz film who constantly claims that he doesn't have a brain and isn't smart but is always the person to get Dorothy and Co out of trouble with some quick thinking.
I really love the Fiyero change. It feels so much better that he becomes an ally she didn't realize she had, rather than a smarmy doofus who got to use her as a stepping stone in his own character arc. It uplifts both characters, and makes for such a sweet moment. He becomes an excellent contrast to Galinda as well.
Disability icon... She becomes an evil witch who enslaved a group of people.
@kawaii33366 I meant Elphaba to Galinda, with her line chastising Galinda's comment about fixing her. Nessarose is no one's disability icon by the end; she's not written to be.
To me the biggest difference was Glinda's agency in choosing not to go with Elphaba during defying gravity. She's singing that their choices are diverging, but she's right beside Elphaba, like she is waffling and wants to go. On stage, she pushes Elphaba away (to go hook her harness), and Elphaba is gone before the guards grab Glinda. In the movie the guards grab Glinda and tear her away from Elphaba, so it isn't clear Glinda 100% chose to not go with her, the guards prevented her from going when Elphaba flew away. I don't know that they meant to do that, but both kids I was with didn't realize Glinda made her choice, and I visibly saw the difference and thought it was huge.
Yeah, my brain made a huge deal out of that.
Regarding "what does Mme. Morrible do when she's not teaching sorcery?" I've heard several reviewers bring this up. In the US at least where I went to school, we had college professors who would teach "specialty" classes usually based on their PhD, but that's not all they did. There might be a biology professor with a specialty in marine biology. They'll teach a full slate of general studies and adjacent classes such as basic college biology and even English Composition (they're all qualified teachers) and fewer specified Marine Biology courses so they can work full time. But for a specialty class "underwater basket weaving" there might not be enough students interested in that class to fully fill it if it were offered every semester or every year, so the Marine Biology professor teaches their normal classes year round, and then may only be scheduled to teach their unique specialty class in Underwater Basket Weaving once a year or every other year (with the assumption that the students are there for a couple years at least so they won't miss it when it is offered and fill the class.)
This basically jibes - Dillamond says "true sorcerers are rare" so Morrible doesn't need to teach Sorcery as an open-enrollment class unless they discover one or more students with talent who can take advantage of it. It'd be like a school not bothering to sponsor a track and field team until they get enough students who are interested and are capable of competing in track events.
I also think that there's something to be said about how the university places her on such a pedestal, as shown when she's introduced in the movie. It boosts how prestigious the university is because they have THE Mme. Morrible on staff. So even if she isn't teaching much, it's worth keeping her around. Plays into the theme of how you're perceived is more important than the actual work you may or may not be doing.
I think it makes sense to believe that she was doing research when she wasn’t teaching.
@@user-ft3pj1nr6c And i was also assuming she would teach the history and theories of sorcery maybe? And not actually teaching magic which is a seminar
I’m about to graduate college and still don’t know how professors work, but I just got the vibe that a renowned professor still being employed but on standby until a student is qualified to take their class would just get to chill because they’re probably doing important research that the University loves or something.
But this explanation makes sense.
I had a professor who i adored who only taught for for 10 weeks a year. And it was a single upper division physics class on general relativity where he also didn’t grade us for how correct we were, but just… if we gave it a really good genuine try. The rest of the year he did not teach a single class however. And this was a well-respected tenured professor with multiple accolades under his belt, someone who genuinely was good at what he did, had multiple grad students, led a lab, all of it… but he also only had to teach 10 weeks a year to 30 students who really wanted to be in his class w/ an easy grading scheme. And he was 100% getting away with it on the fact that he was a well respected physicist.
I think Fiyero is so much better in the film. In the stage production, their romance comes out of nowhere. In the film, they begin laying little breadcrumbs and hints right from that first meeting just by making him less of an asshole. Elphaba points out later how he’s pretending to be self absorbed so it makes sense for him to not be as vacuous and obnoxious as onstage.
Thank you for taking the time to make this! I only got to see the stage musical once in '08 and forgot so much of it, having someone so knowledgeable break down all the changes is fantastic
Glinda's mum was played by Alice Fearn!! She played Elphaba when I saw it in the West End
Same! She was the second Elphaba I saw, absolutely loved her in the role. I didn't recognise her in the movie though, then again it was such a small part.
Bravo on noticing all the changes between the stage show and the movie!!! I definitely enjoyed the changes made to the movie because it gave more depth to the characters, especially Fiyero. I love that he definitely seems more thoughtful and just chooses to have a superficial persona and Elphaba notices almost immediately. I also love Michelle Yeoh’s more serious take on Madame Morrible as more of a mentor because it makes it all the more heartbreaking and sinister when she turns on Elphaba . I’m so excited to see where part two goes!
hey i really loved the little visual gag you did to distinguish the two films by holding up the two different monkeys. it was fun and it genuinely really helped me keep things straight!
Okay so here’s the thing about home being like “let’s get to class” that happens right after she’s doing toss-toss right next to him. He sees her trying to replicate Galinda and it’s not working out super well because she’s not galinda, and he likes her because she’s not galinda, she’s elphaba. I think it’s just another sign of his understanding and seeing her that’s has him being like “let’s go to class, stop worrying about being her when you can be you” which I still think fits into the dancing through life mentality
One difference I noticed is at the train station as Elphie is about to leave, Boq doesn't have his moment of snapping at Glinda and storming off and Nessa thereafter snapping at Elphie when she tries to comfort her. Instead, in the movie, after Nessa introduced Boq to her dad, she becomes visibly upset and rolls away when she sees how enamored Boq is with Glinda's proclaimed name change.
I wonder if they're going for Nessa developing a resentment for Glinda and in part 2 its Glinda that enchants the shoes like in the book and since Boq thinks he can leave now thanks to Glinda, that prompts Nessa to attempt the love spell that goes wrong
@@OliveDiamonds they are clearly going for another red definition of wicked. Rose seems to be a perfectly wonderful young woman making her way as best she can in the world. And then, it appears that wickedness is thrust upon her. She is clearly, willfully going to make the choices that lead her to be the wicked witch of East.
I’m sad they missed out the line
‘What’s in the punch’
‘Lemons and melons and pears’
‘Oh my’
That line always makes me smile
another commenter says that that scene was even filmed, but then got cut
Another excellent video from the WICKEDLY talented Marty John
This took me a minute 🤣
Edit: Oops! You addressed this in a reply to someone else's comment. Thank you.
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One thing that I've noticed being dismissed often is the careful effort not to perpetuate the "angry black woman" stereotype with Elphaba. hence why she gives a speech about why she's green. She's annoyed and hurt by being othered but only becomes enraged by the animal injustice and the Wizard's fraudulence.
Cynthia Erivo sort of mentioned it in interviews where she said that Elphaba's been green all her life and people's reactions are nothing new by the time we meet her.
It felt very I’m explaining my disability to strangers with extra sarcasm because Im not explaining my life story To me. (I have done this, because people ask when they notice but I don’t always want to explain autoimmune conditions and their treatment to folks at work)
@gabriellehitchins9182 Having Spina Bifida myself, I noticed that both Elphaba and Nessa Rose walk through the world with awareness that most people don't care about understanding them. What I loved about Elphaba in particular was that she still found joy. The film needed to portray--and did so quite well in my opinion--black and disabled joy. Albeit more with Elphaba in The Wizard and I than Nessa Rose in Dancing Through Life.
34:43 I adore this moment because it _is_ funny, but it can also be interpreted as Glinda buying time to compose herself and don her mask again.
This may be odd feedback, but I really enjoy the audio quality of your videos! It’s practically perfect!
It’s fascinating what they’re able/allowed to pull from the 1939 MGM film and what they can’t - for example, they cannot use the “Ruby Slippers” because that was purely an invention of the film and is a trademarked term under MGM (and even if they just made red sparkly shoes but didn’t use that term, it still would be legally prickly)… yet they can use Glinda’s pink dress instead of the blue one from the stage show of Wicked because you can’t trademark a color of a dress, and they never “named” her dress anything in the film. It’s just what she was wearing. Very interesting and nuanced stuff.
There was some technicality around the dress because they explicitly weren't allowed to use it for the stage, but were for this.
I've seen the film twice and think the next watch will be once it's available for streaming. So I really love these wicked Wednesdays! Still get to be reminded of the masterpiece ❤️ Great video. Thank you! (loved the monkeys 😁
Hearing the guards yell KILL HER in DG made me gasp, made me think I was mishearing the song all these years. It also makes Glinda’s refusal to stand up for Elphaba even more unnerving.
with regards to the discussion of the different productions: I saw the Swedish production earlier this year, and at the end of Defying Gravity Elphaba was pulled up in the air and over the audience and then vanished up into a hole in the ceiling, kind of like a reverse chandelier from Phantom moment 😂 It was super cool.
When you talked about the train and the impression that travelling around Oz isn't easy, it reminded me of a video on the Architechtural Digest channel where the production designer Nathan Crowley talks through some of the sets - it's absolutely fascinating! So much thought and detail goes into it. He mentioned transport in their decision to have the students arrive by boat.
37:07 ariana confirmed on a podcast that the line was “the wizard will see you now,” which is nuts to try and change!!! some people have then drawn the connection to the video of her and cynthia rehearsing one short day, when ariana reaches over and marks cynthia’s score - it’s likely that she crosses out the once-changed, now-restored line
Yeah. It was going to be "Who rang that bell?!" Which is extremely iconic but not for the lore and story of wicked.
Wish the guy who said it in the movie sounded more enthusiastic like the obc recording
@@kaitlynrowena5463 "the guy" made the musical so I'm fine with him performing his song however he wants
Thank you for the two monkeys, it's a silly thing but as someone with a poor attention span I often miss when context is given verbally and having the continual visual cue was a really nice bonus
Something I just noticed: When Idina and Kristen were on, just after Kristen lights her wand, they had a tiny wand fight
Must admit - never saw the stage play but the movie knocked my jeggings off.
i’ll always be bitter that “no need to respond, that was rhetorical” was cut :((
The fact that line is actually in one of the trailers confuses me. Why did they cut it?
And I missed innuendo....outuendo
@@abbeyBominable123if that video is still up, could someone send me the link pls?? :))
@@abbeyBominable123 when was it ever in a trailer?
@@NSnicket it was in one of the tv spots. I think it was a korean one.
Glinda pointing out the man driving the train is so reminiscent of Cat pointing out the man that Robbie hired to make her cotton candy
In the stage musical Elphaba dancing by herself is played for laughs, in the movie it’s tragic.
I wish I could have seen the stage version. I did not like it in the movie. Tragic? It was cringe and uncomfortable. Maybe that’s what they wanted? Funny would have worked better but I don’t think Cynthia can do funny.
@ There are clips of the stage version on TH-cam. No matter how good of a job that a movie’s adaptation is, it can’t replace the experience of seeing it live.
The "kill her" lyric change did strike me as a bit jarringly bloodthirsty - like, but she hasn't even done any 'wicked' stuff yet?? I also thought the Wizard's dance break in A Sentimental Man enhanced that song (with just a hint of sinister amidst the whimsy), and I love that they almost fled successfully (and together) in the balloon first. Looking forward to all the 'what if' fanfics from if they'd got away...
One of the differences I noticed was during popular when Galinda takes off Elphabas glasses. In the stage show it’s part of making her pretty. In the movie she puts them back and says “that’s better”. But then elphaba has no glasses the rest of popular and the movie. Very confusing and makes no sense to change it if you are still gonna ditch the glasses.
I'm not sure whether they do this in the stage musical or if something they added for the movie - either way, it certainly isn't in the original Broadway cast recording. In Dancing Through Life, after Nessa sings "and you felt sorry for me, well, isn't that right?" Ethan Slater as Boq says "oh no no, I don't feel sorry for you, you're great!" I'd like to imagine that was added at the behest of Marissa Bode, like as affirmation that disabled people don't need to be pitied
I really liked his performance there, the way the editing really emphasizes his crush on Galinda gives the implication that he's genuinely mortified to have come off as ableist because his actual ulterior motive was something else
He feels more sincere in genuinely wanting to reassure her and I believe that he *wants* to be in love with Nessa at that moment
It's possible that Madam Morrible's position at the university could be a primarily research-based one; she mentions later having spent decades studying the Grimmorie which is the sort of high-profile thing a place like Shiz would be happy to fund, even if she usually doesn't take on students
I haven't seen the musical, but I think Fiyero is great because it explains why he would so quickly care about the plight of the Animals. He's definitely the type that needs a personal connection to care about a cause and that's his best friend they're targeting.
0:40 - 0:52
I'm rewatching and cackling at this comedy gold. Perfect reel material.
So let’s talk pre-this story when the wizard first landed. He clearly did not come in and immediately step into wizard sized shoes… If he had, there would’ve been no shenanigans with Elphaba‘s mother.
I propose that he came in a balloon and flim flamed his way around Oz until he encountered Madame M. Then the two of them concocted a plan that led both of them to rise in power. Since Oz does not have an Ozma or any other major magic user from the books, Madame M is the only one who could have “verified“ his use of the Grimorie
She has been working this plan from the beginning. Because there is no way no matter how good of a con man the wizard is, that he would know enough about Oz to pull this off by himself.
Madam Morrible is the true Puppet Master of Oz and I love Michelle Yeoh's portrayal in the film.
this sounds like the most likely timeline, but it still makes me wonder about madame morrible's true intentions and reasons for working with the wizard. since they got michelle yeoh for her, i really hope that part 2 also features more of her
6:25 - I love the idea of Oz having a shoe store that consists entirely of silver shoes- 🤣
I don’t think the later Fiyero dialogue doesn’t work, just that it paints a completely different picture of him as a character. But I’m biased as a blind movie watcher.
It came across to me that being uncaring and vapid is his front, that he doesn’t want to care about things and has this sort of nihilistic hedonistic view because he wants to, not because it’s his natural state to be thoughtless and vapid. He espouses to not care because he doesn’t want to. If I’m psychoanalyzing him, he came across to me as someone who’s been burned before in the past for caring too much, and took on carelessness as a policy because he came to the conclusion that it was the smartest way to live.
Glinda and him match up because his front matches with her (and her front? I’m not smart enough to analyze Glinda). She believes in his front that he doesn’t care and doesn’t like to think because he outwardly states it, so is shocked when he starts outwardly being introspective. Elphaba I don’t think cares about believing anything because either way he’s espousing apathy and being annoying, so she doesn’t care if it’s a front or not, she still thinks of him as a guy who doesn’t like to think critically, and may even be even more annoyed if she knows it’s just his personal choice.
Either way, it’s still Fiyero portraying himself as one way and then acting different from how he usually does.
Just my personal interpretation of him as a movie watcher, nothing came across as odd to me.
This exactly!! Fiyero is masking his normal introspectiveness as I assume some sort of coping/safety mechanism. Many people do this in real life as well, so to see so many people surprised or put off by Fiyero’s change for the movie actually surprised me because it was fairly blatant to me.
One other small thing - the clock of the time dragon. Granted, it would be out of place, since it primarily serves as a narration device, and a scene change, which isn't needed for the film, but I thought it was interesting that Glinda mentions it in the opening narration, and then it's never addressed again 😂
Hi! Just saying I think Morrible's entire role at the school is to seek the one who will be able to read the Grimmorie and is purely there for that purpose, not sure how implied that is or if it's just me reading into things, but I think that does reasonably justify her suspiciously lackluster role at the school
That tracks! I'm just being silly / facetious!
Just came out of the movie and I was suprised by how much more I liked the other characters besides Elphaba. I love how even though Fiyero knows he's hot and uses his social status to influence the other students and is a bit sassy, he's still really kind. That first scene where he meets Elphaba immediatly sets them up as a compatible pairing. I also love that more attention is brought to dancing through life actually being a quite sad song and his pain. In the stage version I saw, I thought Fiyero was a bit one note and taking away from the lesbian romance of glinda and Elphaba, but now he's my one of my fav characters. Also, Munckin boy and Nessarose are written with seemingly so much more compassion, tot the point that I really warmed up to them.
37:10 i saw an interview where ariana stated that the thing that almost made her quit was that they had replaced the line "the wizard will see you now!" with "who rang that bell???" she called the director and had him change it back. It would had been a nod to the 1939 movie, but ariana said it was an iconic line that could not be replaced. So I think that's the line she's referencing
So… the yellow brick Road is not yet built. So we will take an easily multi year jump into the future, that we always assumed happened in the stage version.
Thank you for this!! I just saw the movie today. My late best friend loved the stage play and always said I needed to see it. I haven't been able to afford tickets. But I was able to see the film. He would have been blown away! I went searching for the differences to kind of learn what my bff saw on stage and what I was able to see today. I'm looking forward to the next film! I hope to see the stage play in Detroit one day 💜
20:44 he does kind of comment on her complexion, something along the lines of “sorry we didn’t see you *pauses and notices her complexion* must have blended in with the foliage”
I'm surprised you didn't touch upon the differences in Elphaba's clothing. In the staged version, she is...., well let's put it bluntly: she starts of as a horrible dresser. She's been bullied her whole life, she doesn't particularly like people, and she doesn't feel any need to dress up. Her glasses and her frock kind of look like something your grandmother would wear, but it fits perfectly with who Elphaba is. Yes, she's bullied for being green, but her lack of confidence really shows through her looks, and her attitude is not helping her make any friends.
But then in the movie, she wears all these well tailored outfits, and besides looking green, she looks very normal, if not just downright pretty. We're mostly told that she is weird through the reactions of her fellow students, but their reactions don't make as much sense as they do in the staged version. The Ozzdust ballroom outfit in the musical is quite obviously odd, so the reactions of the fellow students make sense to the audience. But in the movie... she wears a nice black dress, and with the hat, it's quite a look. Everyone ridiculing her felt a bit out of place.
It also takes away so much from "popular", because instead of it being a makeover that genuinely transforms her and opens Elphaba's eyes to the fact that she can be pretty, it shows a good dressing girl who at the end of the song looks exactly the same, only with a flower in her hair. Instead of showing us some of the power/insights/strong points of Glinda, it now looks like Glinda is just forcing a makeover on someone who's already dressing nicely, making her come across as pushy and a bit disconnected. It really took away from Glinda's character. At the end of the movie, my friends (who had never seen wicked before) were wondering why anyone liked Glinda over Elphaba (and I think they made a fair point).
I'm glad I'm not the only one that IMMEDIATELY thought about Disney World in One Short Day!
Thank you for such an incredible explanation and kudos for adding in your vocals and analysis 25:47 keep on singing buddy!
Im surprised you didnt talk about elphabas wardrobe and how she was very fashionable since the beginning (thereby when shes “galindafied” it doesnt have that much impact)
It’s kind of a metaphor for inner beauty, and remember, her father is the Governor of Munchkinland, of course they are well off.
@ yeah but the fact that elphaba does not care (or pretends to not care) about her appearance is important to her arc and character, and is one of the main differences between her and glinda. Also i always felt she dressed as plainly as possible so as to not attract any more attention to herself, and those cunty shoulder pads sure do attract attention (but thats just my own reading of the character, not entirely based on the canon of elphaba). It’s actually kinda funny cuz when fyero says shes been galindafied i feel like her outfit is much more simple and demure that what she was seen wearing previously in the film. The only thing that would point to her trying to look good would be the omission of her glasses i guess. I feel like small details like her having long pampered nails, as per cynthias request, could have been used for that metaphor youre talking about, but when the entire picture is this fashion forward moment, it kills that entire arc for her, at least visually (and show dont tell is an important rule for cinema imo lol). She could still look expensive in much plainer, stricter clothes, but i guess they preferred having visually appealing looks for marketing ://
I read the book of Wicked and it was dark. I saw the wicked the musical in Seattle, at paramount theater. The musical is really good and I enjoyed with it. I saw part one of Wicked and it was really good. Ended the movie, it was epic. I can’t wait for part two.
I am...not at all surprised that Mickey-Jo would use plushies to demonstrate the differences between the stage version and the film version.
I was today years old when I realized the Chistery plush is inaccurate: where is his heterochromia???
I MENTIONED THIS TODAY while filming a different video! 😂
It would be interesting to see a video explaining the differences between the stage and film versions and Maguire's novel, but that would probably be several hours long. The musical is only loosely based on the novel.
The mention to Omaha Nebraska now just reminds me of how Andrew rannells figures out a way to mention it in most of his interviews 💀
I wonder how part 2 is going to show the (spoilers) transformation of Boq and Fiyero.
There’s a production in (I think) Brazil that shows Boq becoming the Tin Man instead of the transformation happening behind Nessa’s armoire. It’s chilling!
Imagine if during No Good Deed, when Elphaba cries, “Fiyero, FIYERO!”, they cut to Fiyero becoming The Scarecrow to save his life.
I saw that production, and talked about that moment in my review, it was terrific!
I don't think there's a good way to do this on stage or screen, but in the original Frank L Baum book, the Emerald City wasn't green. Every visitor is forced to wear green glasses "for their protection." This is the first major reveal that there is something suspect about the wizard. The book doesn't explicitly tell the audience that's what's happening, but they make it obvious that a kid around 9 or 10 would probably notice, but younger than that and you'll miss it, older than that and it's really obvious.
I think the stage version Fiyero asks where is the most swankified place in town. Glinda says oz dust ballroom. But in the film its Fiyero that suggests it?
Correct, well remembered! And the suggestion that it's a scandalous location is also new.
That line is my favorite Fiyero line, just cuz swankified is a fun word. I was sad it wasn't in the movie, though, I get why he had to suggest the oz dust. otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the movie for him to be kicked out of schools and be responsible for the corruption of his fellow students.
that one bugged me because i was looking forward to hearing jonathan say the word swankafied! lol
Re Madame Morrible - If Shiz is the most prestigious uni in the land - to have MM there as a part time teacher and using the uni resources to study the Grimnieie would be a coup for Shiz and attract the rich kids - ie Galinda and Fyero.
I love Jonathan Bailey and film's writer's take on Fiyero... the fact he's friendlier, more charming, and less shouty/bratty (even in his first encounter with Elphaba in the woods) fits with the character he's destined to turn into in Wicked Part 2. I could 110% see why Cynthia's quieter take on Elphaba would start to fall for him... the cocky stage version of Fiyero? Notsomuch.
I think you're misinterpreting Stage Fiyero a bit. I don't believe he's actually vapid; just nobody's challenged him, particularly intellectually. We know there's more to him than meets the eye because Elphaba already picked up on it and fell in love with him. The difference between the stage and the movie isn't that he was actually brainless, it's that in the movie he doesn't pretend quite as hard.
I think you’re misunderstanding his characterization tbh. He’s not saying Fiyero is genuinely brainless, but rather that he is portrayed as truly vapid, entitled, and careless (which is true if you’ve seen the stage production), but then after Elphaba he does a complete 180 and so his character change is quite sudden and dramatic. In the movie, his characterization has a lot more nuance; you can clearly see remnants of his future evolution, and his carelessness seems more like a performance. I hope what I’m saying makes sense? Thanks!
@evenafrozenheartcanmelt4351 i understand, I just disagree. I don't think he's ever actually careless or vapid, he just pretends to be. Elphaba clearly detects that in him, because she falls in love with him BEFORE any shift in his external character. He's always cared, he's just realized he can stop pretending he doesn't
@ Maybe I’m missing something, but doesn’t she not contextualize her feelings until “I’m not that girl”, which happens AFTER he helps her free the lion cub?
Regardless of whether it is genuinely how he is or not, he acts extremely vapid throughout much of the first act and is presented to the audience as being that way fr (he is not in the movie). We, just like Elphaba, do not start seeing hints that there is more depth to his character until he frees the lion cub and elphaba points out that he seems unhappy and so couldn’t possibly be acting true to himself. In the movie, there are specific choices that do make him seem much more “thoughtful” from the get go. You can see his potential and the start of his character arch MUCH earlier, if not from the first scene we meet him, which feels very intentional.
The way I think of it is like this: if you had NO idea about the show and you watched it for the first time on the stage, you would think Fiyero was an absolute brainless douche and be pleasantly surprised when he helps Elphaba. In the movie, it does not seem nearly as surprising; it’s fairly clear that Fiyero has depth from the outset.
Have you seen the movie? How would you describe the difference in his introduction scene in the movie vs musical? Genuinely, I’m curious, because I think it’s hard to deny that there is a MASSIVE difference.
@evenafrozenheartcanmelt4351 I agree there's a difference, they probably wanted to show more of his inner character than they did in the show specifically to make the shift less surprising. In the stage show, our first sign is when he tells Elphaba she "need to do that", as in, change who she is, or pretend. Then Elphaba casts her spell on the entire class except for him. That's before the scenes you're referring to, and shows that something is happening. I love the choice to make his inner character more apparent, much sooner.
@@mithramusic5909 So I think by your own admission, you agree with MJT MUCH more than you think. Again, I do think there are some misunderstandings and hyper focus on wording, but you generally agree with him tbh…
I don’t think that one line is much indication to an unsuspecting audience member seeing the show for the first time… I think you might think oh that’s nice, but I don’t think you would suspect he turns into the character that he does based on that one line.
I also think there is a big difference between infatuation/attraction and genuine interest/desire. Before Fiyero helps Elphaba, I think she’s infatuated, but I don’t think she likes him as a person. I think if you asked her, she would categorically deny being attracted to him and call him dumb/shallow etc. She doesn’t explore or reveal her feelings until she realizes there is depth to his character. Us, as the audience, do not know she likes him until “I’m Not That Girl,” which was my point. In the movie, the only time she seems “disgusted” is when Fiyero sings “Dancing Through Life.” To me (and maybe this is because I know they get together so you could absolutely disagree with me), it seems to be clearer that Elphaba likes Fiyero earlier on and spots his potential sooner. From their very first meeting, she seems intrigued rather than just finding him charismatic (as is most likely the case in the stage show).
But 100%, Fiyero arriving on a TALKING horse completely puts his actions regarding the lion cub in a different light. He and Elphaba both have a love for talking animals, and therefore would both be distressed about Dr Dillamond and the lion cub. I am so eager to see what happens to that horse in part two. Is he silenced or taken once Fiyero joins the armed forces? Does Fiyero talk to him in secret so that he doesn't forget how to talk? I NEED TO KNOW!
As in the stage show, there are references to characters in the other Oz books of the series. The Sawhorse and the flat-headed characters (I think they were Quadlings, if I remember correctly) were always part of the Oz stories, but barely appeared in the first book. I believe that the Sawhorse had a book of his own. I thought it was brilliant to see them make an appearance!
i feel its unlikely ozians accepted him as the wizard unless one of them championed him and i feel it is madam m. that lady that said "he must be the wizard" in one short day is actually madam m. during that scene with elphaba and the grimmirie, the wizard is looking at madam m for direction like which spell should elphaba cast. in film version, i feel it is really madam m thats behind all these.
Fun fact, once in London during those last performances of a cast I did see a male Pfannee :) During one of the last performances of Alice Fearn's run.
I may have this wrong but wasn't it originally the fact that levitation was forbidden that made Elphaba's flying so shocking to everyone? And therefore such a 'defying' moment hence the point of the song!
Honestly, that Fiyero scene in the classroom confused the heck out of me. I would never thought I would hear him say "Let's get to class" after singing Dancing through Life. I audibly said 'what?'; given I haven't seen the Wicked stage musical before.
Thank you Chisterys for helping keep Mickey sane in explaining it :)
My theory on why they changed Fiyero's story (besides the Bridgerton references) is maybe they felt that they wouldn't be able to pull off his og arc in the films, Either bc of time or just the different medium, and so decided to make him more likeable from the beginning so the audience would be om board with him for Part 2
The blue Flying Monkey merch is so cute
since glinda can do magic with wands, i assume that's what Morrible has been teaching before elphaba showed up
Who can say if it's been changed for the better? (I do believe it has been changed for the better)
Love the ring lights!
I love wicked so much both the musical and the film 🎞
I thought that the Emerald City train conductor was going to be a cameo for Joel Gray. That would’ve made more sense about why Galinda/Glinda made such a fuss about him.
Bear who raise Elphaba is actually based on the nanny character from the book But she was human who helped raise Elphaba with Both of Elphaba’s parents and Ozdust Ballroom is partially based on Actually, the infamous philosopher club which is a sex club that have the infamous scene in it but in the musical and Movie they cut that out for obvious reasons And Ozdust (souls of the people of oz) in the book
Question, because you didn't quite mention it, and I've only seen the stage production once (saw the US national tour in September of last year!)- does Madame Morrible always like, take the credit for the magic Elphaba does in response to Nessa being wheeled away? I don't really remember it happening that way onstage so it surprised me a bit in the movie, but maybe I just missed it onstage.
@@MerileeGoLucky that is an addition for the film, she doesn't take credit for it on stage but she does almost immediately say "never apologise for talent"
@@MickeyJoTheatre that's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying!
Apparently they wanted to cut "the wizard will see you now" & Ariana called Jon saying you can't get rid of that
Should be noted I definitely have a "Chistery" but ... his name is Nikko Lol . Have seen the movie twice so far .Almost went again yesterday but sleepiness (work overnights) . Definitely am wanting to go again, especially to a sing a long, but will see when I'm actually awake enough to do it. irony because the first two times were also on solo nights off, but ... I was damned determined the first time to go ASAP (went 21st) and second time I went with my sister. The movie did a FABULOUS job of translating the show to the screen.
You missed the song change in no one mourns the wicked. Instead of an insane harmony singing “Greeeeeen” like the stage, the dad speaks that line in the movie
"'Scuse me, I've put down my monkeys," is not a sentence I ever thought I would hear, but here we are, and I'm so tickled to have heard it now. 😂
37:15 actually i know what the line was. It wasn't the "pink goes good with green" its actually "the wizard will see you now" at the end of one short day. Funny thing about it that when they tried to film it without that a few of the cast (i cant remember who) still sang "the wizard will see you now" in either every take or nearly every take till it was added back in. Idk if that had been done maliciously orr if they are just so used to that one bit.
The “lemons and melons and pears” “oh my!” Is between Nessa and Boq
Those monkey plushies are thoroughly entertaining 😂
My biggest question with this movie is the gremory is said to only have one person to be able to read the book and it was alphabet in the movie so in the second half is Nessa going to turn back into the tin Man because how would she if she doesn't have power?
The only reason that the slippers are not ruby red is because no one wants to pay the royalties to Warner Brothers which owns the rights to MGM’s catalog. It will be interesting to see if the musical has any productions in 2038, when the copyright for the ruby slippers expires, if they are changed to ruby slippers, especially if it’s a revival. The musical even has a nod to the ruby slippers by turning them red when Elphaba enchant them. In some trailer scenes, we see Dorothy wearing Silver slippers, so I doubt they will turn red when Elphaba enchants them, but maybe briefly. Since the musical and now the film are so successful, if Warner Brothers was smart they’d just let the musical use the ruby slippers since it is a great advertisement for the original film.
@@heidifedor in the stage musical they briefly glow red during the incantation, but remain silver thereafter. I remember being convinced after seeing it as a child they fully turned red but it doesn't happen!
I agree, the film Fiyero is very different and I really like it. I like that Film!Fiyero isn't necessarily that he was always carefree & vapid until that first meeting with Elphaba, but more like he's become nihilistic? That's my take, anyway. Like he always wanted to be more genuine to who he is and forge less shallow connections, but gave up trying, since everyone around him in high society is so vapid and shallow and just weren't vibing with it. It's like his persona became his mask, rather than the true representation of who he is at the start of the story (as the stage show implies).
And this makes "Dancing Through Life" in the film morph from the "cheeky carefree romp" feel of the stage version, into a more nihilistic number performed by Fiyero, disguised as a carefree romp. The film's take on Fiyero really made the "Nothing matters, if nothing really matters" line stand out way more than it usually does, imo; it's more like a cry for help.
And, as Jonathan Bailey says in interviews, Fiyero in the film is really moved by Elphaba's vulnerability, specifically. She's the first person he's interacted with to be proudly genuine to herself and vulnerable. She's the first to call HIM out on not being so, despite wanting to be happy and have more meaningful connections to others; showing, again, Elphaba's capacity for empathy in that she recognized his call for help for what it was.
It's a very interesting change & one that I think adds more depth to the relationship between Elphaba & Fiyero's dynamic. It also sets Fiyero's character more apart from Galinda at the start of the story, as Galinda is genuinely shallow and vapid upon her introduction.
I did see an interview where Ariana said she specifically recalled there being no "the wizard will see you now!" line and it being replaced with something like "ring the doorbell" or the doorbell ringing (I can't remember), and she called Jon M. Chu and was like "this line absolutely has to be in the movie!"
Im pretty sure Glinda called Boq Biq in the movie
I still feel wierd how no one mourns the wicked was split into bits too especially glinda entrance