What an astronomical failure in management on the part of Activision Blizzard. The PVE mode was promoted as the flagship feature of Overwatch 2 that was supposed to justify the "2". It's the thing everyone was looking forward to. Now Overwatch 2 stands as a monument for deceptive marketing and how not to make a sequel. PATREON: www.patreon.com/yongyea TWITTER: twitter.com/yongyea TOP PATRONS [CIPHER] - Devon B - Joseph Lavoie [BIG BOSS] - Jonathan Ball [BOSS] - Gerardo Andrade - Michael Redmond - Peter Vrba [LEGENDARY] - azalea - BattleBladeWar
This is definitely a serious bad omen for Diablo 4. Blizzard already f@$ked up Warcraft 3, they now f@$ked up Overwatch and now Diablo 4 might just be next😰
I said pve was a scam becuase they weren't putting out any news about it while updating the store. Everyone called me crazy Now I'm off the game for months and fanbois are mourning. Gg ez
I’d love to see a false advertising lawsuit against Activision/Blizzard since this PvE story mode was the entire reason OW2 was made in the first place. Unbelievable as hell
I don't think that will be possible because the game is free, it was just going to be the PvE that was charged. I feel that was intentional so they couldn't be sued.
@@JeannieLove Free or not, they made money thanks to microtransactions by showing one product and then saying they won't deliver it as promised after milking everyone. There HAS to be a case there, that's pretty much a scam.
@@AzureRoxe The thing is, that's not content you bought that can only be used in the PvE mode that never released. They didn't even start pre-orders for it.
They realized it’s easier to take your money than to make a new content that they promised. To be fair it’s not up to the game developers to add micro transactions, mostly management, so fuck Management .
@@TalkinKush no but uppermanagment also dosent explain the piss pore balance changes. The devs are just as responsable for this game being bad just different areas.
I feel bamboozled because I believed they would offer something worth paying for. I was waiting for it to get better, but instead it just keeps getting worse. Adios.
Honestly, you were scammed. You could have spent that time excited for OW2 to be excited for another game where your hype might actually be paid off, but they grabbed you attention and left you to dry.
Some indie dev: "We made a fun and playable game with a handful of people, paying out of pocket while living pay check to pay check. It only took several years!" A multibillion dollar company: "We don't have enough resources!"
With indi developers the CEO will more likely go a few days without food if it means the project can continue, with Activision Blizzard the CEO will rather close the company than stop using 100$ notes to wipe his ass.
That’s what I suspected as well when I started to see the direction they were going with the monetization. Plus the fact they didn’t even drop PvE at launch made me worry about the direction the development of the game was going. They needed some good PR during Blizzcon after the wave of bad PR the years prior. So they pulled the trigger on the OW2 announcement too quick and now we’re experiencing the consequences of it.
so much potential, squandered... it legitimately pisses me off. most modern triple a games these days do. overwatch as a universe had so much going for it. they could've done TV shows, movies, anything had they had patience. but that's not how company's work these days.
@@megamanx2293 how long ago was that? Back in 2010-2012 when Diablo 3 was released?? At this point it's just funny seeing people's reaction to this companies transparency on how much they don't give a fuck about making good games anymore
They couldn’t care less they make millions with skins. Everyone hated Diablo immortals but that game made them like billions of money. So I don’t take these opinions from these humans now even serious anymore
Hey you can't factor in whales into this. I hear a lot from some friends witnessing certain people so desperate to be first in some small things in their life that they dump hundreds of thousands of dollars to secure a fleeting, pointless victory. Of course mobile games make billions; they are designed to prey on people that have no self control or are so jaded they cannot see the damage they do to themselves. That's what Actiblizz has mastered: the art of manipulating the weak-willed.
This is Activision. Old Blizzard would have kept trying to get it going over a few more years and possibly nailed it. Everything has lost in quality since they were bought out.
Feels like so long ago when blizzard was an absolute fucking monolith of quality games. Seems like you truly do either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…
The insane part is that if you pay attention, they kept talking about PVE long after they had already decided to scrap it. They knew what they were doing, they wanted the pushback to happen after the battlepass and BP locked heroes had already been normalized
they gaslight us behind the reason of "ohh too much we cant deliver them all, dev is hard sorry". In fact, they want to drip the content piece by piece and lock them behind a monthly paywall, that would be more profitable
@@Wraiven22 This is what I immediately got reminded of when OW2 was announced. This was always a way to go back on their promise of free gameplay updates (heroes/maps). They technically never released paywalled heroes for OW1, except OW2 is just the same game... What a scam!
Overwatch 2 ended up just being a way to remonitize the game in a nastier way and kill over watch 1 so people couldn’t just play that. It’s maliciously genius.
@@Spike2276My sister told me she was totally demoralized because OW1 was forced into OW2 and her rank was stuck at bronze or somethinh forever because they changed the systems and she hadn't played for months. And you know the demoralization must've been the final nail in the coffin because she mained Mercy and somehow never quit the game before that.
@@zid9611 I see it coming by the time this season wraps. The hype is completely gone. The roadmap was garbage too. Next season's a break season to bring the On Fire meter back and it's going to be D&D themed? Nope. Also, who gives a shit about Lucio Ball anyway? The big stuff won't be here until the 6th season and who knows what sorry state this game will be in then.
yeah, I won't say I'm an expert in law but word of mouth doesn't hold enough weight to sue them, the fact that the game is free to play doesn't help either since being free basically absolves them of responsibility
Sadly, once that indie game devs got the taste of money and success, and the original developers move on and put other people in charge, it will all go back to corporate schemes like this. I guess that sums up the society we live in in 2023
There’s plenty of AAA games that have been successful and are doing great. I thinks it’s the games you buy that are actually bad and should reconsider playing actual good AAA games.
The happy medium is supporting games/devs that aren't massive hits but still relatively popular. Yakuza isn't a AAA game but it's got a big fan base and always delivers My favourite developer is Nihon Falcom, who aren't super well known but have carved out a niche.
Old Blizzard: "it will be ready when it will be ready, but we are working on it." Current Blizzard: "the things weren't moving along at a rapid enough pace so we cancelled it."
My favorite part out of all of this, is that, if I am interpreting the information right, they made the decision to cut the big campaign stuff a year ago. The game hadn't released yet, but they told no one until the game was out for a while. They purposely didnt tell anyone because they knew that it would be bad for optics, but hid the fact that its main selling point was not happening anymore. Scummy.
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
Man Blizzard really isnt Blizzard anymore 😂 But hey atleast they are diverse and have all the representation in their games to distract people from the that truth!
"Blizzard has confirmed that the standalone story missions coming instead of the originally planned PvE mode will support co-op.” People don't pay attention
@@erickchristensen746 stand alone story missions literally just means theyre doing more archive events. they promised us skill trees and up-gradable characters that was literally the only thing that justified the "2" in this bs.
To me, the writing was on the wall when Jeff Kaplan left. I always felt it was so abrupt when he left, especially for someone who was the face of overwatch like he was, but it seems like Jeff maybe saw the sinking ship and decided to bail before it went under. Think of all the controversies and poor decisions made by Blizzard since then. I don't think Jeff's sudden departure and everything else falling apart was a coincidence. I feel Jeff decided he didn't want to be associated with any of it. Good for him, he was such a great dude! I hope he's well :)
I like how they basically killed Overwatch 1 because they wanted to make a "new and improved" version of the game but not only manage to downgrade everything that came before it but also delete the only reason Overwatch 2 had for existing so we're basically back to square 1. Actually, no scratch that its worse than square one we literally went backwards in quality.
@@LegendaryPredalien12 bro i cant wait for the 0.1 update where every model is a shade of grey or white with a grid on them and no animations gonna be so great
This is the worst case of bait and switch I've ever seen. They managed to take a product you paid to own back post sale, while forcing you to buy parts of the rebranded product again but at a much higher price.
And like Blizzard is not doing a lot of PvE games... as a whole studio have more than enough experience with it but "we underestimated it" seems even like cheap justification
@@cybergeist8932 The whole of Overwatch is byte-sized. One of the laziest games, I've ever seen. Play for 10 minutes, and you've seen all its got to offer. With that cast of characters, it should play more like Destiny. What a scam. Blizzard are beyond a joke by this point. Bobby Kotick?! A pox on him!
Stop supporting shareholder companies. You are the product. They just need to milk you for cash for shareholders. I'd even say don't buy digital or any games that connect to the internet. Like a good old Gameboy or SNES. I can't even play Diablo on PS4 because 30 days have past since it last connected to the internet.
@@Charles-mv7sv at that point you don't need to buy games when 90% of them are resells anyway Sadly I can't do this yet since I don't got a PC that can run even ps2 well enough some games just don't work as they should
Blizzard: “You don’t understand, maintaining a PvP game while simultaneously developing new modes and game narrative is so hard you guys!” Riot Games: “lol”
The problem really is Bobby Kotick. He's the reason many devs under his umbrella are barely making it by, starving on the job, living in communes far from their families just to put scraps on the table for their children. No matter how much people want to support the developers that do great work, the money and all the extra bonuses go straight to The Tick himself. It baffles me how people forget that all that is happening, yet have the gall to scream murder over Hogwarts. Those same people praise and play Overwatch, and the online match lobbies really show their true colors.
They will pocket massively with the Microsoft deal. It will most likely pass the regulator parts. Just move on elsewhere, to places where gamers are still respected. These days, it's like hoping for a unicorn to show up.
There needs to be consequence. That PvE mode was a major advertising point to "sell" the game/encourage purchases. Blizzard-Activision has successfully reached a new threshold in anticonsumerist action. I need to see legal consequence.
Its free to play, no one purchased it. It literally just overwrote the old data on your pc or console of OW1 the only purchase is all the microtransactions.
@@uncle1sstvan Yes. There still needs to be consequence. This was used to advertise the product and the purchasing within the product. What was advertised is now gone. There needs to be legal consequence.
It doesn’t always have to immediately go to the “BRING THEM TO COURT” power fantasy. Nobody’s ever going to sue lol. A very realistic consequence is to boycott. Just don’t buy anything from them until they bend and give in
If everyone starts to quit then the game will eventually die, that will be a small consequence but since all the lies and greediness of the company it does need something bigger, consequence wise
I bursted out laughing upon hearing this news, I knew they were never actually gonna finish the mode. Activision/Blizzard is beyond pathetic at this point. They live up to expectations, just not the right ones.
They have lost so much senior dev-talent over the years due to stupi decisions made by the management. I dont think the devs are incompetent, they just have to teach all the new staff all the time + have stupid sideprojects of Bobby that get canceld anyway.
@@MaXiMoS54 I could agree with that honestly they haven’t had that spark for years now in creating games and content and I think this was genuinely the moment everyone’s gonna realize that’s sparks gone and has been gone
Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? No. Well actually, I’m a bit surprised. I thought the pve mode would be half baked or just mediocre and they’d gradually add more to it until it’s somewhat decent until they manage to screw it up. Killing it dead before it was truly born was unexpected in that sense. …Why was OW2 made again, if not for the promise of PvE?
@@ThiccBuddha Well, not just for that since there were so many other awful things, and it worked, everyone is hyped for Diablo 4, and only 2 or 3 channels even mention what they did.
Nobody can. For some reason there's 0 laws that apply to businesses. You could do the most abhorrent crime as a company and get a slap on the wrist with a government payout. But hey, having a gram of weed on you to relax is 5 years of your life thrown in prison
@@mryellow6918 Not for "some" reason. Politicians, and especially the US Gov, has been licking the asses of big businesses clean after each taken shit for years now, the lobbying is ridiculous and it´s gotten so out of hand that they can wiggle around laws because of their economical influence. I don´t even want to know how much behind-the-scenes bribing takes place nowadays.
@@mryellow6918More like 25-30, oh and don't forget you're not allowed to own a gun or vote after it, and your employment opportunities are also fucked for life
The most head scratching part is, as a PvP player, the PvP didn't feel that much worked on either. So where the hell did the development efforts really went? Does the Overwatch team consists of like 5 people? What's going on?
@@LadyIno As someone who never played OW1, my friend got me into it and I enjoyed the gameplay loop. But I don't want to give them any money due to their incredibly annoying pricing/store/marketing tactics.
@@tehbeernerd Sad part is thats probably true. Hes one of the most over paid CEOs in the country and treats Actiblizz like its his personal money press. Its honestly astounding how people so completely vile are allowed to sit on top like that.
Reminder that the announcement of Overwatch 2 and PvE was never actually about having a good product in the works. It was about trying to distract customers from Blizzard's horrific workplace culture and labour abuses. EDIT: My bad, it was actually the Hong Kong controversy. I should've checked the dates. That's entirely my fault.
Man it’s so easy to enjoy indies these days, Deep Rock Galactic has given me life this last year and next month we have a new season with brand new free themed content and a completely free battle pass with no FOMO. The guys at Ghost Ship Games are doing it right I can’t wait to hop back in for season 4, rock and stone brothers
I think we're witnessing video game history being made here. Blizzard FAILED UPWARDS so hard, they're legit in tons of trouble even with all the money in the world. I have never seen a case like this unfold in gaming before, and you bet its going to be discussed in marketing majors for years to come.
"Blizzard's unrelenting commitment to putting minority character in games truly shows how ahead of their time they really were. The market rejected them, but HISTORY is on their side."
Acti-Blizzard is not seeing an old friend be tangled with the wrong crowd, its seeing him BECOME PART of the wrong crowd while showing no regrets of his shady decisions. Right now Acti-Blizzard exemplifies everything wrong with the game industry at the moment, from trash pay2win mobile games to unfinished pay2win games.
I have no doubts Blizzard was planning this from the start. Promising customers single player then axing it at a later time to sell them a exclusive live services game sounds exactly like something they would plan out.
The worst thing about this is that all Overwatch 2 ended up being was Blizzard’s “what if Overwatch were monetised more like a mobile game?” and nothing more. Awesome.
I’ll summarize their terrible excuse: “we were too lazy to live up to our promises so we lied and scrapped the hype part of the game without telling you all. Oops, our bad. please buy our stuff anyway while we drip feed nothing to you.”
idk if it's laziness, I'm sure the devs were hard at work until their corporate overlords came down from their golden offices to wipe their asses on the game.
If they're painting it as "sticking to their values", they're telling us that their core values are greed, dishonesty, and detachment. Keep that in mind before investing your money into any property with the Activision Blizzard tag in the future, including a seemingly very tasty game that is on the verge of release. If you continue buying their games over and over when they are fairly upfront about their values being this, well, you're telling them this is what you want. No amount of "voicing your opinion" will have any impact when you say "YES" enthusiastically with your money.
Yet people still think D4 will be good. Its hilarious, I see gameplay of D4 and it looks worse than Lost Ark at least that game was free and you could have some fun before you encountered the paywall and then you just quit like I did.
It’s astonishing how Blizzard used to be this company that brought out content back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s that made people wait in lines for hours. People preached how much Blizzard loved their community for the content they released, now they’re a company that prioritizes making games that monetize their gamers, and make false promises to lure people in. It’s a shame how they’ve fallen so low.
Blizzard games have never clicked with me, but good lord. Watching from the outside how this company, once beloved and synonymous with the unique experiences they could bring, and basically helping create the PC gaming community (along with other companies from the 90s), just turn into a shell of its former self is astounding. Impressive, even.
This seems to be expected for any respected game company that gets bought out by a larger corp: the leadership responsible for that company’s reputation don’t fit the corps vision, the leaders leave, and the corpos with no creativity only work to find ways to make more and more money from beloved IPs they acquired. Happens every time.
There's a quote for this, but I forgot the exact words so I have to paraphrase it: "Everyone you loved at the company is already gone. These are different people wearing their skin and calling themselves by their name so they can trick people into trusting them. And anyone from the old group who's still hanging around is a weirdo, because they're having their lunchbreaks with these money-grubbing skinwalkers!"
I blame WoW. That game allowed Blizzard to get by without having to make anything else for far too long. It was a clear turning point for the focus of the company. Doesn't help that they got in bed with Activision to boot.
Jeff Kaplin was the life support this game needed. I wish him well what a fucking legend. Man held this game together like Spiderman that wrecked train.
For real. Dude even made tons of update videos, going over everything the team was doing and working on. It seemed like he actually cared about the game he was helping make.
Kaplin was the glue that held this game together. He will be missed, for real. The quality of the game suffered very soon after he left; everything started falling apart not too long after he made his departure.
He wasn't a saint, but he did acknowledge SOME of the game's issues. The main thing I didn't like about him was that whole "toxicity" video he did. He acted like he was talking to a class of 5 year olds.
SkillUp said in his review that the “2” was just a sneaky way to update the shop. So now instead of mostly fair loot boxes and easy ways to earn currency you get battlepasses and overpriced legendary skins
I'm not sure that loot boxes are better than battle passes. I feel like they're both bad, but a lootbox is worse, no matter how "fair." An artificial grind is probably less harmful than gambling
@@Varian0278literally to get all of those old skins now, you’d have to pay THOUSANDS of dollars for what we got for free just for playing OW1. It’s genuinely impressive how expensive the new shop is, even for old skins that should be no more than $5.
@@Gloomdrake did you even play ow1, lootboxes were garanteed to give you something you didnt have, and could unlock everything for free, and buy with coins you get from boxes anything else you wanted, ow2 has one of the worse store prices and battlepass i have ever seen in a game
Seems to me like a business/management scam designed to switch the monetization model. Now the developers are forced to take responsibility for the decisions of higher ups, because execs are never ones to admit fault. If Blizzard wanted PvE to happen, they could've easily hired for a separate dev team working on PvE, it's not like they're a small indie company.
It becomes evident when you actually look into what they are saying: "We doubled our dev team to work on pve" contradicts "We had to pull resources from the pvp" which contradicts the "pve people are now working on smaller pve updates". So which one is it? Did they hire more people to work on pve, or pull people from pvp? Are those people back to making pvp content? If they're working on pve content anyway, why not keep them on the original large pve project? It doesn't matter because this was never a developers issue, it is an issue of resource management. I think it is as you said: Higher ups pull the scam and throw the devs under the bus to get away with it. I sincerely hope people stop supporting this shell of a company, but unfortunately the Blizzard fanbase is composed of addicts that has been enabling them for over a decade. This isn't even the first time they botched a major release in recent history. The fact that people outside of the fanbase are catching wind of this, might be a glimmer of hope.
To think I wanted to become a game dev when I was a kid, then as I grew older and play newer games and see what the industry has became, I feel bad for the devs working in this industry.
Same. I wanted to write for games and hated the idea of manual labor. Now I'm a welder and going to school for machining and I'm soooooo glad lmao life is really strange huh
That was my husband's original dream too, it got crushed and now he wants nothing to do with the creative side of gaming. If he ever did become a game dev, he would be an indie dev and do it just for fun.
that would be like feeling bad for welders at ford or something. it was always crush hell to some extent in the game industry though, compared to doing code for say regular industry. short lived companies, uncertain paychecks etc were the norm really. it wasn't or still isn't something that you can just "ok I'll go to the game dev school", like in theory you can do that but not really, not in the same way you can go to a welding school and get a decent welding job. it's more like going to game dev school to be game dev school teacher kind of an almost semi mlm situation as way more people want to 'make games' than can actually sell games.
you can always go for indie. don't be discouraged just because AAA execs are extremely out of touch and ruining gaming. indies might have mixed bags of things and stuff, but when AAA gaming is 95% shithole nowadays, indie sphere is like a safe haven for me
I miss overwatch 1. Blizzard did the bare minimum updating the game and therefore the community and interest declined all for the reason of developing resources going to overwatch 2. Now they scrapped the biggest announced feature. This is unacceptable.
The fact that potentially 4 years of working is being thrown away is what really sucks about this. I'd imagine OW could have been a far better pvp game had those 4 years went into developing more heroes/maps/game modes over a PVE system that they ultimately threw out because the higher ups hated how much time and money was being invested into without a definitive release window for it. This is really just disappointing, to say the least.
Can basically summarise it as “Acitivision Blizzard officially masks off and directly tells the player base this game was, indeed, a cash grab with no meaning.”
Don't forget the same studio who gave us that beautiful warcraft 3 reforged. A remaster of a loved game from 2002, only with so many missing features,bugs, and worst artsyle. And we're still being screwed over even after the recent patches. Man, they just don't care. Can't even have fun custom maps like the old days with old warcraft 3 without getting in trouble, blizzard sucks so much
"... Or do we stick with the set of values that we've aligned on..." They are not referring to the values of gamers where you deliver what you promise, or at least attempt to. They are referring to the values of Activision where they cram every possible microtransaction in to every game to fleece players of everything possible. Activision/Blizzard is just a business that really doesn't give a shit about gamers. We're just their market. Same way that Ubisoft and EA look at things as well. Game development for these companies is no longer about delivering the best entertainment possible to the audience, it's about delivering just enough for you to keep spending money.
To be “fair” Blizzard didn’t make or had ANY hands in the creation of Diablo Immortal. They hired a shitty Chinese company to make it, and all this Chinese company did was reskin an earlier game they made before. Diablo Immortal wasn’t even meant to be played by a Western audience to begin with. But someone had the amazing idea to push this onto the West anyway and show it off at a PC GAMING conference. Great job Blizzard👌
I wish I could get a refund for my preorder on the pve mode, but I'm sure I'm screwed since it had added pvp cosmetics and stuff. My bad for hoping I'd get a fun offline experience and wanting to support their decision on working towards that...
They can because people that brought anything off the marketplace and not getting PVE when it was stated it was in the game and coming was also the selling point which makes it misleading and tricking people into buying so there’s some type of lawsuit but I don’t know how far it will go
My guy, the game is free. There's literally no legal case here at all. They were making something and it got thrown in the trash. Happens all the time.
When I hear that they plan on doing the small pve things all I can think of is theyre just going to be doing more of stuff like the archives event, so just… more of what they could have already done but acting like it’s some new thing
You can NOT a convince me that there was ever any serious intention to release a pve mode for overwatch 2. Im sure devs were scrambling to get SOMETHING together, but I can’t imagine they expected it to go over well at all. Everybody knew this was coming.
The PvE demo was the most that we had really seen of the mode, I think the intention was there, but it was became clear that it wasn't going to happen with the constant stalling on Blizzard's side
It's gonna be having me think that even if something did come out, what was gonna stop them from possibly abandoning it in the future or reducing workload on it since PvP is what most players care about anyway. I keep thinking back to Fortnite and what happened to STW.
Blizzard has been bait-and-switching their customers for cash grabs for the better part of a decade now (They've done this across all their IPs). The fact that people STILL fall for it is what baffles me the most.
The only blizzard title I have bought in the last 6 years was diablo 2 resurrected, and that was after quite a long time watching people play it to make sure it was up to scratch. I probably won't buy diablo 4, but I have not completely written it off yet... will depend on what full launch is like.
I agree so much. Every game Blizzard releases is the same bait and swtich cash grab and still people are hyped for whatever bullshit they're releasing next. Like how's anyone surprised when it turns out to be absolute shit?
“Bro I swear the new Blizzard game will be good bro they’re just trying new things bro everyone’s allowed to fail bro please bro consoom new product bro.”
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
I remember being super excited for PvE. From how it was advertised it seemed like I was finally able to experience Overwatch as an offline single player experience- which was great for me since I had to deploy on Naval assignments and didn’t want my skills to degrade. There’s no Wi-Fi in the ocean. After all these years of waiting, and Overwatch Classic suffering because they put all of their resources into OW2, it’s really upsetting and disheartening to hear that they’re just scraping PvE for a watered down experience that we’ve gotten with previous events. It absolutely sucks that this is what they chose to do.
compare that with path of exile 2. game is some years late BUT grinding gear games didn't stop developing poe 1 since then. they are using the original game to test and implement features before shipping 2. it's the best of all worlds
I wanna say im mad at blizzard but really im dissapointed in myself for holding out for the campaign mode. I REALLY wanted to have this mode, and I feel stupid that i beleived that it would still come out one day.
Damn. I'm sorry. In any aspect of life, when you hold on to hope, and it ends in disapointment, it hurts. But don't feel stupid. You would have to be a massive cynic to be inmune to all these marketing and promises. They know how to get you, they've studied it for decades, and they will exploit it. On a brighter note, you can count on the modding community to get something done, or an indie game that can scratch that itch OW2 might left you with. There's always something else :) Also, sorry for the long text. TL:DR I understand, don't blame yourself for their predatory practices, and you might find something good out there
Every announcement has further vindicated my hard NOPE that started when they announced their cellphone linkage BS. There's no joy in my "I told you so", though.
One thing that wasn't mentioned was how releasing an episodic "campaign" is actually a newer trend in live service games. Several free-to-play games have these episodic story modes that you usually have to pay extra for in some cases. Via battle/season pass or one time microtransaction. They are typically 30 minutes to an hour long. Sometimes it's interwoven into the main gameplay loop as Challenges to unlock various additional cosmetics. In other words I have zero faith in this change of direction, this is 100% them still chasing more live service hooks and free-to-play trends.
It can be done better tho , in example Genshin Impact releases story content every month, this is permanent story quest that have full cinematics, mechanics, cool, new areas enemies etc Blizz tho , they might just do the PvE event stuff in overwatch 1
@@ariyanhm3962 Thank you. I feel like people are legitimately forgetting they're just doing what OW1 did....Except worse. This isn't OW1.5. This is Overwatch1.1
Only thirty minutes to an hour...? Jeez. This makes me appreciate the time I had as a gacha game player. Even the collabs with other properties involved several hour long campaigns that included thick novel-dense cutscenes to get through, and often custom music. To be fair, I guess that was more of an exception than the rule as far as gacha games go. GFL and AK didn't have to be as detailed as they were story wise.
This news about Overwatch makes me worry even more about how Diablo 4 will turn out and I was already harboring serious doubts & fears about the fate of Diablo 4. Activision buying Blizzard was essentially a death sentence for the once beloved & flawless game studio.
When they were independently owned is when a large amount of the Acti-Blizz fuckery happened. At least on the Blizz side. So no. They were definitely never flawless.
@@SJ-vc6zn What do you mean? Before Activision bought Blizzard back in 2008, the company was releasing absolutely amazing games. World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King released, and every past game they released was the standard for the industry. Then Activision started to change how blizzard developed their games and then blunder after blunder began to happen as they chased that dollar.
@@Blackemperess Reading comprehension is really hard I know. Activision-Blizzard deal happened in 2008. Before then it was a flawless game studio with every game they released being top tier.
@@mrcaterpillow9926 ...2008 was 15 years ago. Damn. At least in the beginning the fuckery was mostly not HUGE. It was like 90% good game, 10% fuckery. Now it's 10% game 90% fuckery.
Some good games. That one that Squeenix dropped last was really bad. Japanese studios are more oriented towards the vision of creatives rather than the fleeting trends of the gamers as a whole. They have a better track record across the board because they try to uphold the IPs they care for and create. American AAA developers are not good. Chasing trends and making statements and throwing shade and blame; it doesn't work forever. Indie devs, however, are pretty gifted and talented. They deserve the attention and chance to shine.
They saw how well Junkenstiens revenge did for the 1st week on release 2017 and have just been trying to recreate it for the last 6 years. It's embarrassing at this point for a company of this size to repeatedly fail to deliver over and over.
In other words, "You guys, making cosmetics to rip you off is hard work! You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to go into an image editing software and change a color so the outfit goes from red to blue and we can sell it to you again. That is HARD!!! We obviously have no time for anything else!"
This whole situation is ridiculous, the real truth is they wanted to monetize the game even harder so they leaned on the excuse of PVE mode to justify the whole pushing people to do Platform(Overwatch 2).
Let get this right - the resources was reallocated from PvE to the Cash Shop as cash shop required additional manpower to ensure it works flawlessly. It's also the new value Blizzard claims created for players.
always found it unbelievable that an actual campaign with full-fledged PvE mode will ever make it. i already gave up on OW1 but a PvE could've brought me back. now there it goes
The thing that stung me the most was that they straight up took a game I paid for away from me and I couldn't do anything about it, I know I know it was probably in that disclaimer that everyone just clicks on accept on but still I've never had a game straight up taken away before lol.
Yeah, same. I get really bummed out thinking I can never play Overwatch 1 again, even though I paid for it. Everytime I get nostalgic I play one match of OW2 and get really disappointed.
@@TheLucasplus This is part of why I stay the hell away from any game that completely requires an internet connection to play (Which is every Activision Blizzard game on PC since 2019, and every game on the Blizzard side of the company since 2011). The devs can and will eventually run the game into the ground for money, and you will never be able to play the original work of art again. I make an exception for large scale subscription based MMOs, cause at least then I feel like I was paying for the time played and not the game itself.
It's literally what Epic did with Fortnite, remember how they heavily advertised the Save the World mode.... and then decided to just dump everything into the shitty Battle arena crap? It's why I refused to play it and even deleted the game from all my consoles and PC. I didn't get the game to play that. I got it for the Save the World mode that never came out.
and to hide allegations of sexual assault and misogynistic ideals, oh and for a quiet change to a more profitable marketing system. a trio of bs from a scam company :)
Can we appreciate how Skyrim Modders have created new Perk Trees from scratch in mods like Ordinator, SPERG, Adamant, Vokrii, Requiem, PerMa, and tons more with some of the most interesting and compelling gameplay I've ever seen...and a multibillion dollar company couldn't make perk trees for a couple of heroes?
if that doesn't tell you how poorly these places are managed idk what does. if a whole room full of professional salaried employees can't make something in even multiple times the amount of time that it takes one amateur sitting at home using bits of their freetime/weekends ...
Classic big company move! Promise something, don't talk about it for a few months, and then cancel it! But at the same time it seems that all the people who cared about that left the company so
21:52 When Destiny 2 became free to play, guess what happened to the name and branding. NOTHING! They even added new pvp game modes with different amount of team sizes! This is once again more BS from ABK. Why does anyone, including Microsoft, even want to buy a company like that...
I feel really bad for the old Overwatch players and the newer players who really wanted to have a PvE story experience in OW2. The game did not deserve this treatment and neither did the players who were interested in the game and looking forward to a story and a cool skills-modifying system.
Blizzard actually took down OW1 from the stores and shut down it's server, only to be replaced by an inferior version of the game. This should be a crime already.
We went through years of no content just to see OW1 die, get content that should have existed in the first game, and see it become an inferior version of itself with an awful monetized system and locking heroes. I can't believe I actually miss a loot box system than what OW1 gave us. Good thing I have self-control and just not give in and quit.
Can't wait to see how Activision Blizzard gouges players with Diablo 4! Best way to enjoy their games is really the cope of the people who keep bankrolling them like a beaten spouse. "This time will be different! They can/have changed!" Meanwhile, they're just getting it worse...
Blizzard has inspired me to open up a 2nd restaurant but my sequel restaurant won't have any ingredients in the kitchen for the 1st year but we will have a fully dedicated nft/gift shop where anyone can come buy our nfts (but no exchanges between customers allowed). We will also be selling reservations at executive prices to buy a time share at some of our tables that will reset every season with bonus rewards like staff saying "hi how are you" or preforming a dance for you...now that i think about it i will probably just scrap the idea of ever getting ingredients for the kitchen but not tell anyone for like 9 months.
Why bother ? Once your restaurant is booked for months, tables filled with old regulars and new paying guests, you just announce that there never will be any ingredient in the kitchen. Ever. But that might get new chairs from time to time, maybe even a new staff member, like once a year ! You already did that for free at your previous restaurant, but that's fine !
To me, it's pretty clear why they waiting so long to officially announce that the standalone PVE campaign was effectively canceled; they needed time to make the first batch of seasonal PVE missions to try and soften the blow. That way they could go "sorry folks, the big thing we promised isn't coming, but look, we still have PVE story missions in the seasons that'll weave together into a big, epic story!" to convince people that there's still PVE like they originally said, just not how they originally said it was. They seem to think their "reenvisioned" PVE model will placate those disappointed that the original promise won't be kept, but as was mentioned, the PVE was what was promoted to justify the 2, and now it's just a little tacked-on feature.
Pro tip: If a company is in decline, losing on its main game, and going to be bought. EVERY project will suffer. Saw this falling apart at the announcement. Glad I never got it
@@Sorrowdusk not only that, but if the acquisition doesn't go through they'll probably lose a lot of interest from investors and will be even worse off Basically, Acti/Blizz is even more fucked than we think
They should absolutely allow refunds for this.Also class action lawsuits for false marketing should be a regular occurence in AAA gaming at this point.
@@Nightcrawler90210 Obviously I'm talking about the people who payed money for this based on the promise that there would be a campaign. It's not rocket science you know.
@@bradyguy99 But none of that stuff was future content promising to be delivered for any PvE content. It was just skins and discount for the Battlepass - nothing false or hidden about pre-ordering.
See, this is what bothers me right now. They've put all this time and effort into developing a feature, only to scrap it. We've seen it time and time again where a studio will put in effort into something only for it not to be in the final product. We get excuses, and the studio has to recoup the costs, right? It seems like this is a new norm in the industry and it really makes one wonder with games costing as much as they do now why the consumer is left footing the bill for studios not being able to manage themselves correctly.
"Should we continue pouring resources into this or should we just focus on the service?" Easy translation: PvE takes too much work and won't make us infinite money. A live service is easy and will print money for us.
Nothing says Activision Blizzard quite like gaslighting and making stuff up. Seems very fitting considering their track record... Actually disheartening tho. Guess its finally time to touch grass
There's a lawsuit in here somewhere. False marketing has been prominent in the games industry and I wish I had the funds to follow through with something like that.
This is really fucked honestly. I see a lot of people trying to sort of give grace on this when that is pretty much out of the question at this point. This is Activision, one of the biggest gaming publishers/developers on Earth and is currently in the process of being the focus of one of the biggest buyouts in video game history. There is no excuse as to why a company with the level of resources they have could not bring this together. Even worse is that they knew this was not going to be a thing well before launching the game and they had to know that the promise of a future PvE mode was the whole point people were even willing to play "OW2". They knew, collected as much money up front as they could letting the deception hang in the air only to pull this trap. Probably the saddest part to all of this is that it does not matter. Tons of people will continue to give Activision their money without fail despite being knowingly fucked over. Ultimately gamers have said they are okay with Activision bs and that the numerous ethical, moral, and consumer based failures have little impact on people buying their products.
they don't care about the majority of their playerbase. they care about the 5% of "people" who buy every sticker, weapon charm, skin emote etc that they put into the game. how they afford it is beyond me, but they're all the corpos care about.
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
Waited 4 years for this only for them to cancel it 💀. At this point just over it. Like wtf was the point of the sequel if your just gonna cancel the main selling point
@@anti-roxas850 at this point just gonna un install. They are trying to make it seem like season 6 is gonna be the best in overwatch history when in reality it’s no different than any other live service title.
this is absurd because I am playing the new Zelda - you know, the one that people thought was gonna be "glorified DLC" and that game is like 300% of what botw was...
@@chainclaw07 Yes, Zelda will stop game companies from heavily monetizing their games with microtransactions! Why didn't I think of that before? GENIUS-GENIUS-GENIUS!!!
Game developers lately have set the bar so low i feel like i could make my own game with my spare time and do better. Most of these decisions seem influenced by money and not by making something fun to enjoy.
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What an astronomical failure in management on the part of Activision Blizzard. The PVE mode was promoted as the flagship feature of Overwatch 2 that was supposed to justify the "2". It's the thing everyone was looking forward to. Now Overwatch 2 stands as a monument for deceptive marketing and how not to make a sequel.
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If this game wasn't bad enough already...
Now I've got literally less then 0% of a reason to touch it then before.
Epic failure
This is definitely a serious bad omen for Diablo 4. Blizzard already f@$ked up Warcraft 3, they now f@$ked up Overwatch and now Diablo 4 might just be next😰
Frfr!
Almost like the whole game was a cash grab
Meh. Destiny did it first and is still going strong, apparently. It's just a different company being scummy. No one will care in a month.
Whaaaaaaat noooooooo. Not MY Blizzard
Bought the battle passes and everything, yeah I feel like I just got railed in the ass, dry, no lube. Welp, I learned my lesson.
I said pve was a scam becuase they weren't putting out any news about it while updating the store.
Everyone called me crazy
Now I'm off the game for months and fanbois are mourning. Gg ez
@@Zathren yeah but at least destiny got more content as it got older lol
I’d love to see a false advertising lawsuit against Activision/Blizzard since this PvE story mode was the entire reason OW2 was made in the first place. Unbelievable as hell
What a way to kick off the first step in getting acquired by an equally mediocre company (gaming wise)
Well done guys youve outdone yourselves
I don't think that will be possible because the game is free, it was just going to be the PvE that was charged. I feel that was intentional so they couldn't be sued.
@@JeannieLove Free or not, they made money thanks to microtransactions by showing one product and then saying they won't deliver it as promised after milking everyone.
There HAS to be a case there, that's pretty much a scam.
@@kobra6660 you cant get a refund for a free game
@@AzureRoxe The thing is, that's not content you bought that can only be used in the PvE mode that never released. They didn't even start pre-orders for it.
Game developer: fails to develop game.
Also game developer: succeeds in adding payment options.
Hey hey hey thats not fair.
They also made the team sizes smaller for reasons
They realized it’s easier to take your money than to make a new content that they promised. To be fair it’s not up to the game developers to add micro transactions, mostly management, so fuck Management .
@@TalkinKush no but uppermanagment also dosent explain the piss pore balance changes. The devs are just as responsable for this game being bad just different areas.
Yea, thats the spirit
Look forward learn games by playing Pve canceled the PVE I just do not play the game.
Basically, “PvE won’t make us money, let’s focus on selling things on live service” I knew this was going to happen.
BUT WHY THOUGH??? Deep rock galactic makes money? Hell there are waay more insidious money making options in PvE than PvP.
They also screwed up dmz which is a pvpve extraction mode in mw2, and they added bundles spesificly for dmz that give players a advantage over others.
i can smell the wall street mindset all the way from mars
I love how Blizzard manages to make me feel like I've been scammed even without spending a single penny on the game
Exactly
I feel bamboozled because I believed they would offer something worth paying for. I was waiting for it to get better, but instead it just keeps getting worse. Adios.
I can't even play the damn game because it keep lagging every damn time when players swapping characters, this does NOT happen in OW1
Honestly, you were scammed. You could have spent that time excited for OW2 to be excited for another game where your hype might actually be paid off, but they grabbed you attention and left you to dry.
If you played overwatch 1, you did lose money. They took that game out of your library forcibly
Some indie dev: "We made a fun and playable game with a handful of people, paying out of pocket while living pay check to pay check. It only took several years!"
A multibillion dollar company: "We don't have enough resources!"
Greed and laziness. It’s just that simple.
"Its two hard" :(
Small indie company please understand...
With indi developers the CEO will more likely go a few days without food if it means the project can continue, with Activision Blizzard the CEO will rather close the company than stop using 100$ notes to wipe his ass.
Bobby needs more yachts!
"The real sequel was the money we made along the way"- Blizzard
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Hahahahahah that was a good one mate 😊
Lets be real OW2 exists because Activision wanted to sell a battle pass.
True.
That’s what I suspected as well when I started to see the direction they were going with the monetization. Plus the fact they didn’t even drop PvE at launch made me worry about the direction the development of the game was going.
They needed some good PR during Blizzcon after the wave of bad PR the years prior. So they pulled the trigger on the OW2 announcement too quick and now we’re experiencing the consequences of it.
Duh. Who just figured this out?
@@ryankelly369 probably some OW2 fans
Amd get rid of lootboxes that let people actually get skins.
The most surprising thing about Overwatch failing is that people still even have an ounce of faith in Blizzard to do anything right.
At one period of time Blizzard could do no wrong.
so much potential, squandered... it legitimately pisses me off. most modern triple a games these days do. overwatch as a universe had so much going for it. they could've done TV shows, movies, anything had they had patience. but that's not how company's work these days.
@@megamanx2293 how long ago was that? Back in 2010-2012 when Diablo 3 was released?? At this point it's just funny seeing people's reaction to this companies transparency on how much they don't give a fuck about making good games anymore
@@kennethhon499Even then Diablo 3 wasn't perfect. I still remember the auction house controversy
D:Immoral happened and you are still surprised?
It’s honestly impressive how Blizzard takes every thing that should be positive for them and turn it into a shitstorm
The morbius of Video Game Company
They couldn’t care less they make millions with skins. Everyone hated Diablo immortals but that game made them like billions of money. So I don’t take these opinions from these humans now even serious anymore
Hey you can't factor in whales into this. I hear a lot from some friends witnessing certain people so desperate to be first in some small things in their life that they dump hundreds of thousands of dollars to secure a fleeting, pointless victory. Of course mobile games make billions; they are designed to prey on people that have no self control or are so jaded they cannot see the damage they do to themselves. That's what Actiblizz has mastered: the art of manipulating the weak-willed.
This is Activision. Old Blizzard would have kept trying to get it going over a few more years and possibly nailed it. Everything has lost in quality since they were bought out.
@@johndoerr8853 maybe so, but that's the reality, that was Blizzard, but with how things are going this is the Blizzard we have now
Do you remember when Blizzard wouldn’t reveal and release any game until it reached their standards of quality? Those were good times…
Or its still true but the level of quality just went down...
Feels like so long ago when blizzard was an absolute fucking monolith of quality games. Seems like you truly do either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…
@@leopereira4718bro it’s because they sold themselves to CCP. Who would have thought anything in Chyna’s hands turn to shit?
@@NoisRdumbest comment ever
When people weren't lazy they were
The insane part is that if you pay attention, they kept talking about PVE long after they had already decided to scrap it.
They knew what they were doing, they wanted the pushback to happen after the battlepass and BP locked heroes had already been normalized
they gaslight us behind the reason of "ohh too much we cant deliver them all, dev is hard sorry". In fact, they want to drip the content piece by piece and lock them behind a monthly paywall, that would be more profitable
Yep bc we were promised all future heroes come included free with our OW1 purchase. This was entirely a scam.
@@Wraiven22 This is what I immediately got reminded of when OW2 was announced. This was always a way to go back on their promise of free gameplay updates (heroes/maps). They technically never released paywalled heroes for OW1, except OW2 is just the same game... What a scam!
You guys only have yourselfs to blame for being suckers
Blizzard fans deserve what they get
Isn't Blizzard such a great company? Making so many great games. Treating their employees so well. Always giving their customers what they want.
It seems you have been in coma for 20 years 😂😂
@Mohandas Jung I think he's being sarcastic
@@phakgamangmabonela3342 Same energy that made people think Makaveli's "The Prince" was a serious tome for centuries
Sounds like the only people benefitting at Blizzard are the executives
@@allenellisdewitt LMAO
Never trust a publisher when they tell you "We'll be adding this part of the game later after launch"
Let me simplify that for you: Never trust a publisher when they tell you "We-"
Whenever I hear the term "road map" I nope right out
AWARE
I'm betting Microsoft is regretting trying to buy Activision (or Activision-Blizzard) now, especially given Activision-Blizzard's awful practices.
@@ironwolf56 fr tho!
Overwatch 2 ended up just being a way to remonitize the game in a nastier way and kill over watch 1 so people couldn’t just play that. It’s maliciously genius.
Wait till the player number drops. Then OW3 now with maybe PvE at some point
Not only that, but they also managed poof your purchase of OW1 out of existence, truly one of the sequels of all time
@@Spike2276My sister told me she was totally demoralized because OW1 was forced into OW2 and her rank was stuck at bronze or somethinh forever because they changed the systems and she hadn't played for months. And you know the demoralization must've been the final nail in the coffin because she mained Mercy and somehow never quit the game before that.
@@zid9611 I see it coming by the time this season wraps. The hype is completely gone. The roadmap was garbage too. Next season's a break season to bring the On Fire meter back and it's going to be D&D themed? Nope. Also, who gives a shit about Lucio Ball anyway? The big stuff won't be here until the 6th season and who knows what sorry state this game will be in then.
Fax I been telling my friend this for months, they only named it overwatch 2 to market and change the monetization model lmao
I really hope someone takes legal action against this.
Yeah, this feels like misleading consumers.
If the suit against No Man's Sky is anything to go by, you don't have a case unless it's the store front or on the box. Horse's mouth doesn't count.
yeah, I won't say I'm an expert in law but word of mouth doesn't hold enough weight to sue them, the fact that the game is free to play doesn't help either since being free basically absolves them of responsibility
The era of AAA is dead, support indie devs, that's where the love and creativity truly lies.
Sadly, once that indie game devs got the taste of money and success, and the original developers move on and put other people in charge, it will all go back to corporate schemes like this. I guess that sums up the society we live in in 2023
There’s plenty of AAA games that have been successful and are doing great. I thinks it’s the games you buy that are actually bad and should reconsider playing actual good AAA games.
@@brandoncrz2228 That's the nature of life, but at least we can keep trying for something better.
Not all triple A titles are like that. You gotta pick the good one's
The happy medium is supporting games/devs that aren't massive hits but still relatively popular.
Yakuza isn't a AAA game but it's got a big fan base and always delivers
My favourite developer is Nihon Falcom, who aren't super well known but have carved out a niche.
Old Blizzard: "it will be ready when it will be ready, but we are working on it."
Current Blizzard: "the things weren't moving along at a rapid enough pace so we cancelled it."
Current Blizzard: "we realized we can make more money out of the F2P PvP than we ever would out of PvE, so it's cancelled"
Bozos tried to make 2 live service games when they couldn't even keep 1 alive
Bruh that Blizzard died after D2. They haven’t dropped a game since that wasn’t filled with problems or far short of what what promised
Is that the Old Blizzard that choked Starcraft Ghost in the cradle?
"And they also weren't projected to make us a disgusting amount of money so our bosses lost interest"
My favorite part out of all of this, is that, if I am interpreting the information right, they made the decision to cut the big campaign stuff a year ago. The game hadn't released yet, but they told no one until the game was out for a while. They purposely didnt tell anyone because they knew that it would be bad for optics, but hid the fact that its main selling point was not happening anymore. Scummy.
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
Man Blizzard really isnt Blizzard anymore 😂 But hey atleast they are diverse and have all the representation in their games to distract people from the that truth!
"Blizzard has confirmed that the standalone story missions coming instead of the originally planned PvE mode will support co-op.”
People don't pay attention
@@erickchristensen746Yeah. You really should pay more attention.
@@erickchristensen746 stand alone story missions literally just means theyre doing more archive events. they promised us skill trees and up-gradable characters that was literally the only thing that justified the "2" in this bs.
To me, the writing was on the wall when Jeff Kaplan left. I always felt it was so abrupt when he left, especially for someone who was the face of overwatch like he was, but it seems like Jeff maybe saw the sinking ship and decided to bail before it went under. Think of all the controversies and poor decisions made by Blizzard since then. I don't think Jeff's sudden departure and everything else falling apart was a coincidence. I feel Jeff decided he didn't want to be associated with any of it. Good for him, he was such a great dude! I hope he's well :)
I don't think Jeff wanted to be the fall guy like how Aaron is.
When the toxicity/SH debacle happened, I figured Jeff left because of that. And now we see the direction of OW2. My thoughts exactly.
What the hell was even the point of re-releasing OW a second time then?!
That bright and shiny new monetization scheme they had going on
Money
To get your money again
Money
Money baby
I like how they basically killed Overwatch 1 because they wanted to make a "new and improved" version of the game but not only manage to downgrade everything that came before it but also delete the only reason Overwatch 2 had for existing so we're basically back to square 1. Actually, no scratch that its worse than square one we literally went backwards in quality.
Welcome to Overwatch 0.2
It's not gonna get better from here
@@LegendaryPredalien12 bro i cant wait for the 0.1 update where every model is a shade of grey or white with a grid on them and no animations gonna be so great
Backwards in quality, upwards in sales. Don't blame Blizzard. They're doing what works.
@@thedarkemissary Facts! They're making profits. It's not about pleasing the customer, it's about making the most money while spending the least.
This is the worst case of bait and switch I've ever seen. They managed to take a product you paid to own back post sale, while forcing you to buy parts of the rebranded product again but at a much higher price.
I feel like it is also important to point out that these byte-sized PVE were already a thing in OW1 in the form of events.
byte-sized lol
There’s a lot of people that are calling OW2 PVE “archives 2.0” since we had archives in OW1. So it really is similar.
And like Blizzard is not doing a lot of PvE games... as a whole studio have more than enough experience with it but "we underestimated it" seems even like cheap justification
"byte" sized lol get lost with that.
@@cybergeist8932 The whole of Overwatch is byte-sized. One of the laziest games, I've ever seen.
Play for 10 minutes, and you've seen all its got to offer.
With that cast of characters, it should play more like Destiny. What a scam.
Blizzard are beyond a joke by this point. Bobby Kotick?! A pox on him!
"So because it's a hard thing to do, we're scrapping it" ~ A Large Game Creator
That sounds familar....
Stop supporting shareholder companies.
You are the product. They just need to milk you for cash for shareholders.
I'd even say don't buy digital or any games that connect to the internet.
Like a good old Gameboy or SNES. I can't even play Diablo on PS4 because 30 days have past since it last connected to the internet.
@@Charles-mv7sv at that point you don't need to buy games when 90% of them are resells anyway
Sadly I can't do this yet since I don't got a PC that can run even ps2 well enough some games just don't work as they should
@@Charles-mv7svkinda gotta buy digital no store close to me that sell physical games
Blizzard: “You don’t understand, maintaining a PvP game while simultaneously developing new modes and game narrative is so hard you guys!”
Riot Games: “lol”
Even mroe ridiculous considering how much money they could throw at the problem if they wanted
The problem really is Bobby Kotick. He's the reason many devs under his umbrella are barely making it by, starving on the job, living in communes far from their families just to put scraps on the table for their children. No matter how much people want to support the developers that do great work, the money and all the extra bonuses go straight to The Tick himself. It baffles me how people forget that all that is happening, yet have the gall to scream murder over Hogwarts. Those same people praise and play Overwatch, and the online match lobbies really show their true colors.
Valve: *Looks at TF2 still alive after so many years without them touching it.* ... Yea, I don't believe you.
@@Skynet5885 Isn’t TF2 dead now?
@@barath14
That one is a revenant
I feel bad for Overwatch fans. But I really wanna see Activision Blizzard crash and burn.
Overwatch is one of my favorite games ever. I still want Blizzard to die. A very slow, painful death.
They will pocket massively with the Microsoft deal. It will most likely pass the regulator parts.
Just move on elsewhere, to places where gamers are still respected. These days, it's like hoping for a unicorn to show up.
I don't. They deserve it. They bought in. Blizzard got the 💰. The only thing crashing and burning, is the players coming back down to earth.
@@thedarkemissary and will be treated like shit every single time n I love it 😆
@@thedarkemissary Amen.
There needs to be consequence. That PvE mode was a major advertising point to "sell" the game/encourage purchases. Blizzard-Activision has successfully reached a new threshold in anticonsumerist action. I need to see legal consequence.
Its free to play, no one purchased it. It literally just overwrote the old data on your pc or console of OW1 the only purchase is all the microtransactions.
@@uncle1sstvan Yes. There still needs to be consequence. This was used to advertise the product and the purchasing within the product. What was advertised is now gone. There needs to be legal consequence.
It doesn’t always have to immediately go to the “BRING THEM TO COURT” power fantasy. Nobody’s ever going to sue lol. A very realistic consequence is to boycott. Just don’t buy anything from them until they bend and give in
Legal consequence? They didn't even get punished for the bad behaviour there employees were engaging in.
If everyone starts to quit then the game will eventually die, that will be a small consequence but since all the lies and greediness of the company it does need something bigger, consequence wise
Imagine living in 2023 and saying to yourself, "I'm going to put my faith and my credit card number to Activision Blizzard."
I bursted out laughing upon hearing this news, I knew they were never actually gonna finish the mode. Activision/Blizzard is beyond pathetic at this point. They live up to expectations, just not the right ones.
The management just wants more and more money. Too many greedy idiots. No more visions only money
My exact reaction
I mean, there is still Diablo IV
They have lost so much senior dev-talent over the years due to stupi decisions made by the management. I dont think the devs are incompetent, they just have to teach all the new staff all the time + have stupid sideprojects of Bobby that get canceld anyway.
Same
I mean I’d say I’m shocked….but I’m honestly not blizzard never ceases to disappoint me
I'm shocked, _shocked!_ ...well not that shocked.
I'd say they met expectations. If they made a half decent product I'd be shocked and would probably check outside the window for pigs flying
@@MaXiMoS54 I could agree with that honestly they haven’t had that spark for years now in creating games and content and I think this was genuinely the moment everyone’s gonna realize that’s sparks gone and has been gone
Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? No. Well actually, I’m a bit surprised. I thought the pve mode would be half baked or just mediocre and they’d gradually add more to it until it’s somewhat decent until they manage to screw it up. Killing it dead before it was truly born was unexpected in that sense.
…Why was OW2 made again, if not for the promise of PvE?
They made it to sell you what could have been a free update to the game
Mr Krabs: "Money!"
@@R17759 They made is so they could essentialy disable lootbox reward and go f2p model for a bigger audience.
Didn't they do it to distract people from the sexual harassment stuff?
@@ThiccBuddha Well, not just for that since there were so many other awful things, and it worked, everyone is hyped for Diablo 4, and only 2 or 3 channels even mention what they did.
I think to sum it up would be "could we be sued for false advertising"? Blizzard lawyer: "not in the eye of the law "
Nobody can. For some reason there's 0 laws that apply to businesses. You could do the most abhorrent crime as a company and get a slap on the wrist with a government payout. But hey, having a gram of weed on you to relax is 5 years of your life thrown in prison
@@mryellow6918 Not for "some" reason. Politicians, and especially the US Gov, has been licking the asses of big businesses clean after each taken shit for years now, the lobbying is ridiculous and it´s gotten so out of hand that they can wiggle around laws because of their economical influence.
I don´t even want to know how much behind-the-scenes bribing takes place nowadays.
@@mryellow6918More like 25-30, oh and don't forget you're not allowed to own a gun or vote after it, and your employment opportunities are also fucked for life
Hate to say that I saw this coming, they never said anything about it again after they announced it
Fr like how are they going to make Overwatch pve different
It almost feels like Warcraft 3 Reforged again, radio silent for years
The most head scratching part is, as a PvP player, the PvP didn't feel that much worked on either. So where the hell did the development efforts really went? Does the Overwatch team consists of like 5 people? What's going on?
The money went to get Bobby another yacht
I think it went into them thinking of as many ways they can try to fleece money from people
I still can't understand why people even play Overwatch 2
@@LadyIno As someone who never played OW1, my friend got me into it and I enjoyed the gameplay loop. But I don't want to give them any money due to their incredibly annoying pricing/store/marketing tactics.
@@tehbeernerd Sad part is thats probably true. Hes one of the most over paid CEOs in the country and treats Actiblizz like its his personal money press. Its honestly astounding how people so completely vile are allowed to sit on top like that.
Reminder that the announcement of Overwatch 2 and PvE was never actually about having a good product in the works. It was about trying to distract customers from Blizzard's horrific workplace culture and labour abuses.
EDIT: My bad, it was actually the Hong Kong controversy. I should've checked the dates. That's entirely my fault.
It was actually to distract from the Hong Kong issue. The workplace culture wasn't revealed until 2021
@@thedukeofdukes2401 Okay, I'll take my L. My apologies.
I mean, both are horrible, so the substance of ur point remains intact
Man it’s so easy to enjoy indies these days, Deep Rock Galactic has given me life this last year and next month we have a new season with brand new free themed content and a completely free battle pass with no FOMO.
The guys at Ghost Ship Games are doing it right I can’t wait to hop back in for season 4, rock and stone brothers
Rock and stone brother!
@@pieegee8532 Stone and rock!!!… Oh wait…
Did i hear a rock and stone?
ROCK AND STONE YOU BEAUTIFUL DWARF
... yeah, yeah... rock and stone...
MUSHROOM
There was once a time I wanted the Starcraft franchise to make a big comeback.
But... these days, I just hope Blizzard lets it rest in peace.
Oh don't worry they'll find a way to let it rest in pieces.
Battlepass, Microtransactions and many more....starcraft 3 would be a great opportunity to sell us much much more crap
@@LukasJampen Imagine Starcraft 3 shares same fate as Command and Conquer 4
@@thefirstloser and starcraft 2 wasn't that great to begin with tbh, the original is still unsurpassed
Considering how they messed up Warcraft 3: refunded... Yeah, it is better for it to be left alone.
But they won't, we all know it.
I think we're witnessing video game history being made here. Blizzard FAILED UPWARDS so hard, they're legit in tons of trouble even with all the money in the world. I have never seen a case like this unfold in gaming before, and you bet its going to be discussed in marketing majors for years to come.
Not really. That isnt news even for Blizzard, let alone gaming industry itself.
and people will take ALL THE WRONG LESSONS as always
"Blizzard's unrelenting commitment to putting minority character in games truly shows how ahead of their time they really were. The market rejected them, but HISTORY is on their side."
Well, at least the college peeps will get something out of this mess
It all starts with Bobby.
Activision Blizzard is like watching an old friend get tangled with the wrong crowd.
More like someone killed your old friend and is wearing them like a skinsuit. The people who made Blizzard great left a long time ago.
Acti-Blizzard is not seeing an old friend be tangled with the wrong crowd, its seeing him BECOME PART of the wrong crowd while showing no regrets of his shady decisions. Right now Acti-Blizzard exemplifies everything wrong with the game industry at the moment, from trash pay2win mobile games to unfinished pay2win games.
They are the wrong crowd*
That happened as soon as the merger took place.
Blizzard, we love you, but you need help. You keep asking for money to get your next fix and we just want you to get better! 😢
I have no doubts Blizzard was planning this from the start. Promising customers single player then axing it at a later time to sell them a exclusive live services game sounds exactly like something they would plan out.
The worst thing about this is that all Overwatch 2 ended up being was Blizzard’s “what if Overwatch were monetised more like a mobile game?” and nothing more. Awesome.
It’s scary when loot boxes seem like a more reasonable and cost effective way to earn cosmetics. 10 out 0f 10 great job Blizzard.
@@nova_beam lootboxes I miss those beautiful square bodies they had, and getting exited for a gold…..I miss it
I’ll summarize their terrible excuse: “we were too lazy to live up to our promises so we lied and scrapped the hype part of the game without telling you all. Oops, our bad. please buy our stuff anyway while we drip feed nothing to you.”
First time playing a Blizzard game eh?
idk if it's laziness, I'm sure the devs were hard at work until their corporate overlords came down from their golden offices to wipe their asses on the game.
If they're painting it as "sticking to their values", they're telling us that their core values are greed, dishonesty, and detachment. Keep that in mind before investing your money into any property with the Activision Blizzard tag in the future, including a seemingly very tasty game that is on the verge of release. If you continue buying their games over and over when they are fairly upfront about their values being this, well, you're telling them this is what you want. No amount of "voicing your opinion" will have any impact when you say "YES" enthusiastically with your money.
It's time for Yong to have a room that's officially dedicated to all of his video game memorabilia lol 😂 you've got quite the collection!
No surprise here, Activision/Blizzard delivers exactly what I expected. Looking forward to the dirty tricks they will pull with D4.
D4 offline mode 200 usd
Yet people still think D4 will be good. Its hilarious, I see gameplay of D4 and it looks worse than Lost Ark at least that game was free and you could have some fun before you encountered the paywall and then you just quit like I did.
if people think D4 will be anything different than the shtshow Diablo immortal is are just kidding themselves at this point.
PROVE ME WRONG BLIZZARD.
I wasn't surprised either. Blizzard is a bad company
No point buying D4 in first month - you wont be able to log anyway.
It’s astonishing how Blizzard used to be this company that brought out content back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s that made people wait in lines for hours. People preached how much Blizzard loved their community for the content they released, now they’re a company that prioritizes making games that monetize their gamers, and make false promises to lure people in. It’s a shame how they’ve fallen so low.
Once upon a time, Blizzard were synonymous with quality and polish. Today, they are a joke.
Wish i could like this twice!
There were times when EA and UBISOFT were pretty chill, if go back a few decades.
I miss the days of everyone rawdogging ea for bad microtransactions it's a shame it's gotten so bad EA looks good rn
@@codemaster442 Same.
But in a way you provided many of us a round-about way to do just that.
Always loved the characters. Always hated to play PVP in any game. They've just lost a guaranteed costumer, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one
me too.
I always been more of a PvE player so this was incredibly disappointing to it being cancelled.
Blizzard games have never clicked with me, but good lord. Watching from the outside how this company, once beloved and synonymous with the unique experiences they could bring, and basically helping create the PC gaming community (along with other companies from the 90s), just turn into a shell of its former self is astounding. Impressive, even.
To quote a very angry demon, "Vermin! Leeches! Take my blood and choke on it!"
This seems to be expected for any respected game company that gets bought out by a larger corp: the leadership responsible for that company’s reputation don’t fit the corps vision, the leaders leave, and the corpos with no creativity only work to find ways to make more and more money from beloved IPs they acquired. Happens every time.
There's a quote for this, but I forgot the exact words so I have to paraphrase it: "Everyone you loved at the company is already gone. These are different people wearing their skin and calling themselves by their name so they can trick people into trusting them. And anyone from the old group who's still hanging around is a weirdo, because they're having their lunchbreaks with these money-grubbing skinwalkers!"
I blame WoW. That game allowed Blizzard to get by without having to make anything else for far too long. It was a clear turning point for the focus of the company. Doesn't help that they got in bed with Activision to boot.
Blizzard has no games under their belt
Jeff Kaplin was the life support this game needed.
I wish him well what a fucking legend.
Man held this game together like Spiderman that wrecked train.
For real. Dude even made tons of update videos, going over everything the team was doing and working on. It seemed like he actually cared about the game he was helping make.
I miss him. Overwatch died when he left.
Kaplin was the glue that held this game together. He will be missed, for real. The quality of the game suffered very soon after he left; everything started falling apart not too long after he made his departure.
Yeah the real wake up call was
Jeff: I got big news for you tomorrow
Tomorrow: Jeff has left the chat
He wasn't a saint, but he did acknowledge SOME of the game's issues. The main thing I didn't like about him was that whole "toxicity" video he did. He acted like he was talking to a class of 5 year olds.
SkillUp said in his review that the “2” was just a sneaky way to update the shop. So now instead of mostly fair loot boxes and easy ways to earn currency you get battlepasses and overpriced legendary skins
I'm not sure that loot boxes are better than battle passes. I feel like they're both bad, but a lootbox is worse, no matter how "fair." An artificial grind is probably less harmful than gambling
@Lamppost 🦕 I have almost every legendary skin from ow1 without spending a dollar just from free lootboxes from leveling, it was 100% a better model
@@Varian0278literally to get all of those old skins now, you’d have to pay THOUSANDS of dollars for what we got for free just for playing OW1. It’s genuinely impressive how expensive the new shop is, even for old skins that should be no more than $5.
@@Gloomdrake did you even play ow1, lootboxes were garanteed to give you something you didnt have, and could unlock everything for free, and buy with coins you get from boxes anything else you wanted, ow2 has one of the worse store prices and battlepass i have ever seen in a game
@@Gloomdrake You can *earn* lootboxes though, so you could get everything without spending extra money
Seems to me like a business/management scam designed to switch the monetization model. Now the developers are forced to take responsibility for the decisions of higher ups, because execs are never ones to admit fault. If Blizzard wanted PvE to happen, they could've easily hired for a separate dev team working on PvE, it's not like they're a small indie company.
It becomes evident when you actually look into what they are saying:
"We doubled our dev team to work on pve" contradicts "We had to pull resources from the pvp" which contradicts the "pve people are now working on smaller pve updates". So which one is it? Did they hire more people to work on pve, or pull people from pvp? Are those people back to making pvp content? If they're working on pve content anyway, why not keep them on the original large pve project?
It doesn't matter because this was never a developers issue, it is an issue of resource management. I think it is as you said: Higher ups pull the scam and throw the devs under the bus to get away with it. I sincerely hope people stop supporting this shell of a company, but unfortunately the Blizzard fanbase is composed of addicts that has been enabling them for over a decade. This isn't even the first time they botched a major release in recent history. The fact that people outside of the fanbase are catching wind of this, might be a glimmer of hope.
To think I wanted to become a game dev when I was a kid, then as I grew older and play newer games and see what the industry has became, I feel bad for the devs working in this industry.
Same. I wanted to write for games and hated the idea of manual labor. Now I'm a welder and going to school for machining and I'm soooooo glad lmao life is really strange huh
That was my husband's original dream too, it got crushed and now he wants nothing to do with the creative side of gaming. If he ever did become a game dev, he would be an indie dev and do it just for fun.
that would be like feeling bad for welders at ford or something.
it was always crush hell to some extent in the game industry though, compared to doing code for say regular industry. short lived companies, uncertain paychecks etc were the norm really. it wasn't or still isn't something that you can just "ok I'll go to the game dev school", like in theory you can do that but not really, not in the same way you can go to a welding school and get a decent welding job. it's more like going to game dev school to be game dev school teacher kind of an almost semi mlm situation as way more people want to 'make games' than can actually sell games.
I remember being in computer club in the 90s and we played wacraft 2 over LAN and u used to think who cool it would be to work on a game like that.
you can always go for indie. don't be discouraged just because AAA execs are extremely out of touch and ruining gaming. indies might have mixed bags of things and stuff, but when AAA gaming is 95% shithole nowadays, indie sphere is like a safe haven for me
Can't say people weren't warned that Blizzard was simply trying to re-sell you OW 1
I miss overwatch 1. Blizzard did the bare minimum updating the game and therefore the community and interest declined all for the reason of developing resources going to overwatch 2. Now they scrapped the biggest announced feature. This is unacceptable.
At least gundam evolution is already an overwatch shaped game for this big overwatch shaped hole
The fact that potentially 4 years of working is being thrown away is what really sucks about this. I'd imagine OW could have been a far better pvp game had those 4 years went into developing more heroes/maps/game modes over a PVE system that they ultimately threw out because the higher ups hated how much time and money was being invested into without a definitive release window for it. This is really just disappointing, to say the least.
Can basically summarise it as “Acitivision Blizzard officially masks off and directly tells the player base this game was, indeed, a cash grab with no meaning.”
That’s so cool of blizzard, the ones who developed Diablo immortal, to say they respect our values, that’s so awesome 👏
Classic corporate PR talk, it absolutely baffles me that people still gall for that shit! Never trust a corporate dirtbag.
Don't forget the same studio who gave us that beautiful warcraft 3 reforged. A remaster of a loved game from 2002, only with so many missing features,bugs, and worst artsyle. And we're still being screwed over even after the recent patches. Man, they just don't care. Can't even have fun custom maps like the old days with old warcraft 3 without getting in trouble, blizzard sucks so much
"Cool"
"Blizzard"
I see what you did there...
"... Or do we stick with the set of values that we've aligned on..."
They are not referring to the values of gamers where you deliver what you promise, or at least attempt to. They are referring to the values of Activision where they cram every possible microtransaction in to every game to fleece players of everything possible.
Activision/Blizzard is just a business that really doesn't give a shit about gamers. We're just their market. Same way that Ubisoft and EA look at things as well. Game development for these companies is no longer about delivering the best entertainment possible to the audience, it's about delivering just enough for you to keep spending money.
To be “fair” Blizzard didn’t make or had ANY hands in the creation of Diablo Immortal.
They hired a shitty Chinese company to make it, and all this Chinese company did was reskin an earlier game they made before.
Diablo Immortal wasn’t even meant to be played by a Western audience to begin with. But someone had the amazing idea to push this onto the West anyway and show it off at a PC GAMING conference.
Great job Blizzard👌
I hope people are able to take legal action against this.
I wish I could get a refund for my preorder on the pve mode, but I'm sure I'm screwed since it had added pvp cosmetics and stuff.
My bad for hoping I'd get a fun offline experience and wanting to support their decision on working towards that...
They can because people that brought anything off the marketplace and not getting PVE when it was stated it was in the game and coming was also the selling point which makes it misleading and tricking people into buying so there’s some type of lawsuit but I don’t know how far it will go
Legal action? Lmao. The game is free.
My guy, the game is free. There's literally no legal case here at all. They were making something and it got thrown in the trash. Happens all the time.
@@coltonwilkie241 people pre ordered the pve if you didn't know
When I hear that they plan on doing the small pve things all I can think of is theyre just going to be doing more of stuff like the archives event, so just… more of what they could have already done but acting like it’s some new thing
You can NOT a convince me that there was ever any serious intention to release a pve mode for overwatch 2. Im sure devs were scrambling to get SOMETHING together, but I can’t imagine they expected it to go over well at all. Everybody knew this was coming.
The PvE demo was the most that we had really seen of the mode, I think the intention was there, but it was became clear that it wasn't going to happen with the constant stalling on Blizzard's side
It's gonna be having me think that even if something did come out, what was gonna stop them from possibly abandoning it in the future or reducing workload on it since PvP is what most players care about anyway. I keep thinking back to Fortnite and what happened to STW.
Blizzard has been bait-and-switching their customers for cash grabs for the better part of a decade now (They've done this across all their IPs). The fact that people STILL fall for it is what baffles me the most.
The only blizzard title I have bought in the last 6 years was diablo 2 resurrected, and that was after quite a long time watching people play it to make sure it was up to scratch.
I probably won't buy diablo 4, but I have not completely written it off yet... will depend on what full launch is like.
I agree so much. Every game Blizzard releases is the same bait and swtich cash grab and still people are hyped for whatever bullshit they're releasing next. Like how's anyone surprised when it turns out to be absolute shit?
“Bro I swear the new Blizzard game will be good bro they’re just trying new things bro everyone’s allowed to fail bro please bro consoom new product bro.”
What next? Diablo IV is cancelled too and preorders don't get refunded?
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
I remember being super excited for PvE. From how it was advertised it seemed like I was finally able to experience Overwatch as an offline single player experience- which was great for me since I had to deploy on Naval assignments and didn’t want my skills to degrade. There’s no Wi-Fi in the ocean.
After all these years of waiting, and Overwatch Classic suffering because they put all of their resources into OW2, it’s really upsetting and disheartening to hear that they’re just scraping PvE for a watered down experience that we’ve gotten with previous events. It absolutely sucks that this is what they chose to do.
Give me good old TimeSplitters any time of scumvision's chinese money/data gouging sweatshop racketware any day.
@@marcuskahn3783
I'm defo high on Hopium if they'll show the new TIMESPLITTERS in June...
Ask your splatoon for starlink??
compare that with path of exile 2. game is some years late BUT grinding gear games didn't stop developing poe 1 since then. they are using the original game to test and implement features before shipping 2. it's the best of all worlds
I wish that I could say that I'm surprised by this development.
I wanna say im mad at blizzard but really im dissapointed in myself for holding out for the campaign mode. I REALLY wanted to have this mode, and I feel stupid that i beleived that it would still come out one day.
Damn. I'm sorry. In any aspect of life, when you hold on to hope, and it ends in disapointment, it hurts. But don't feel stupid. You would have to be a massive cynic to be inmune to all these marketing and promises. They know how to get you, they've studied it for decades, and they will exploit it. On a brighter note, you can count on the modding community to get something done, or an indie game that can scratch that itch OW2 might left you with. There's always something else :)
Also, sorry for the long text. TL:DR I understand, don't blame yourself for their predatory practices, and you might find something good out there
@@Poputrash W comment
Every announcement has further vindicated my hard NOPE that started when they announced their cellphone linkage BS. There's no joy in my "I told you so", though.
One thing that wasn't mentioned was how releasing an episodic "campaign" is actually a newer trend in live service games.
Several free-to-play games have these episodic story modes that you usually have to pay extra for in some cases. Via battle/season pass or one time microtransaction.
They are typically 30 minutes to an hour long. Sometimes it's interwoven into the main gameplay loop as Challenges to unlock various additional cosmetics.
In other words I have zero faith in this change of direction, this is 100% them still chasing more live service hooks and free-to-play trends.
It can be done better tho , in example Genshin Impact releases story content every month, this is permanent story quest that have full cinematics, mechanics, cool, new areas enemies etc
Blizz tho , they might just do the PvE event stuff in overwatch 1
why nobody is mentioning that it nothing new?! they are just bring back the archive from overwatch 1 and in OW1 era it was a free update.
@@ariyanhm3962 Thank you. I feel like people are legitimately forgetting they're just doing what OW1 did....Except worse. This isn't OW1.5. This is Overwatch1.1
and thats exactly why i pirated the FF7 remake, i'm not paying $70 PER fucking QUARTER OF THE FUCKING GAME
Only thirty minutes to an hour...? Jeez. This makes me appreciate the time I had as a gacha game player. Even the collabs with other properties involved several hour long campaigns that included thick novel-dense cutscenes to get through, and often custom music.
To be fair, I guess that was more of an exception than the rule as far as gacha games go. GFL and AK didn't have to be as detailed as they were story wise.
This news about Overwatch makes me worry even more about how Diablo 4 will turn out and I was already harboring serious doubts & fears about the fate of Diablo 4.
Activision buying Blizzard was essentially a death sentence for the once beloved & flawless game studio.
When they were independently owned is when a large amount of the Acti-Blizz fuckery happened. At least on the Blizz side. So no. They were definitely never flawless.
_Flawless?_ Where have you been the last ten plus years?
@@SJ-vc6zn What do you mean? Before Activision bought Blizzard back in 2008, the company was releasing absolutely amazing games. World of Warcraft Wrath of the Lich King released, and every past game they released was the standard for the industry. Then Activision started to change how blizzard developed their games and then blunder after blunder began to happen as they chased that dollar.
@@Blackemperess Reading comprehension is really hard I know. Activision-Blizzard deal happened in 2008. Before then it was a flawless game studio with every game they released being top tier.
@@mrcaterpillow9926 ...2008 was 15 years ago. Damn. At least in the beginning the fuckery was mostly not HUGE. It was like 90% good game, 10% fuckery. Now it's 10% game 90% fuckery.
I noped the fuck out when they REQUIRED my phone number to play
It's really hard to trust any AAA publishers at this point. Nobody in their right mind would have thought this stuff would happen in the early days.
At least Japanese devs make good games, even NFT Square Enix.
Some good games. That one that Squeenix dropped last was really bad.
Japanese studios are more oriented towards the vision of creatives rather than the fleeting trends of the gamers as a whole. They have a better track record across the board because they try to uphold the IPs they care for and create. American AAA developers are not good. Chasing trends and making statements and throwing shade and blame; it doesn't work forever. Indie devs, however, are pretty gifted and talented. They deserve the attention and chance to shine.
I actually did say this was a scam with PvE and that OW had no story just fragments. Got dog piled and harassed by OW fans. It was clear possibility.
@@GFBunnyHopER Heavily depends, there's still shitty companies in Japan like Konami for example.
@@KeithAllenWarren Yeah, but the only games they make are Pachinko games :D But looking at AAA scene Japan is making much better single player games.
They saw how well Junkenstiens revenge did for the 1st week on release 2017 and have just been trying to recreate it for the last 6 years. It's embarrassing at this point for a company of this size to repeatedly fail to deliver over and over.
In other words, "You guys, making cosmetics to rip you off is hard work! You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to go into an image editing software and change a color so the outfit goes from red to blue and we can sell it to you again. That is HARD!!! We obviously have no time for anything else!"
I see the executives took lessons from Logan Paul
Don't forget that 2 hours of their 6 hour work day is spent in the company spa too
@@ctg4818 With another 2 hours spent on sending creepy memos to female colleagues, that only leaves 2 hours of actual development time!
"FOR FUCKIN BLUE!!!!!"
Lmao, true true.. this month color is black w/ red for $15…. Wtf is this..
I've never seen a company cancel a game that already released
It was always Overwatch Store 2. The only thing that really changed was the store became the main focus. Always knew the pve mode would never come.
This whole situation is ridiculous, the real truth is they wanted to monetize the game even harder so they leaned on the excuse of PVE mode to justify the whole pushing people to do Platform(Overwatch 2).
Let get this right - the resources was reallocated from PvE to the Cash Shop as cash shop required additional manpower to ensure it works flawlessly. It's also the new value Blizzard claims created for players.
always found it unbelievable that an actual campaign with full-fledged PvE mode will ever make it. i already gave up on OW1 but a PvE could've brought me back. now there it goes
The thing that stung me the most was that they straight up took a game I paid for away from me and I couldn't do anything about it, I know I know it was probably in that disclaimer that everyone just clicks on accept on but still I've never had a game straight up taken away before lol.
Yeah, same. I get really bummed out thinking I can never play Overwatch 1 again, even though I paid for it. Everytime I get nostalgic I play one match of OW2 and get really disappointed.
@@TheLucasplus This is part of why I stay the hell away from any game that completely requires an internet connection to play (Which is every Activision Blizzard game on PC since 2019, and every game on the Blizzard side of the company since 2011). The devs can and will eventually run the game into the ground for money, and you will never be able to play the original work of art again. I make an exception for large scale subscription based MMOs, cause at least then I feel like I was paying for the time played and not the game itself.
It's literally what Epic did with Fortnite, remember how they heavily advertised the Save the World mode.... and then decided to just dump everything into the shitty Battle arena crap? It's why I refused to play it and even deleted the game from all my consoles and PC. I didn't get the game to play that. I got it for the Save the World mode that never came out.
@@crazydude5825 yes I've been doing that as well.
Apex watch 2 now
Its incredible how high end triple A companies fail at delivering great products.
Yeah at this point they can't even deliver a shitty product
Or delivering any products apparently
It's amazing how far blizzard have fallen in just a few years
Blizzard has always been terrible
Blizzard: But wait, there's more!
They keep stooping lower and lower.
a decade isn't a few years.
It’s a race to the bottom.
Just got done uninstalling it. I tried to have faith that PvE would get done eventually but now i'm not sure what to do.
OW2 went free to play to avoid accusations of false advertising or customers seeking refunds going legal.
and to hide allegations of sexual assault and misogynistic ideals, oh and for a quiet change to a more profitable marketing system. a trio of bs from a scam company :)
Can we appreciate how Skyrim Modders have created new Perk Trees from scratch in mods like Ordinator, SPERG, Adamant, Vokrii, Requiem, PerMa, and tons more with some of the most interesting and compelling gameplay I've ever seen...and a multibillion dollar company couldn't make perk trees for a couple of heroes?
Lmao what did you expect from the company that says it takes them a whole year just to make a mythical skin 😅
if that doesn't tell you how poorly these places are managed idk what does. if a whole room full of professional salaried employees can't make something in even multiple times the amount of time that it takes one amateur sitting at home using bits of their freetime/weekends ...
Classic big company move! Promise something, don't talk about it for a few months, and then cancel it!
But at the same time it seems that all the people who cared about that left the company so
21:52 When Destiny 2 became free to play, guess what happened to the name and branding.
NOTHING!
They even added new pvp game modes with different amount of team sizes!
This is once again more BS from ABK. Why does anyone, including Microsoft, even want to buy a company like that...
I feel really bad for the old Overwatch players and the newer players who really wanted to have a PvE story experience in OW2. The game did not deserve this treatment and neither did the players who were interested in the game and looking forward to a story and a cool skills-modifying system.
Nah. Don't pay for shit up front ant it won't happen.
The worldbuilding and lore was there for a great story mode. But we won't get any of that. Blizzard is dead.
Blizzard actually took down OW1 from the stores and shut down it's server, only to be replaced by an inferior version of the game. This should be a crime already.
We went through years of no content just to see OW1 die, get content that should have existed in the first game, and see it become an inferior version of itself with an awful monetized system and locking heroes. I can't believe I actually miss a loot box system than what OW1 gave us. Good thing I have self-control and just not give in and quit.
yeah, after me opening OW1 from its release, i think im done for good this time.
Can't wait to see how Activision Blizzard gouges players with Diablo 4! Best way to enjoy their games is really the cope of the people who keep bankrolling them like a beaten spouse. "This time will be different! They can/have changed!" Meanwhile, they're just getting it worse...
Blizzard has inspired me to open up a 2nd restaurant but my sequel restaurant won't have any ingredients in the kitchen for the 1st year but we will have a fully dedicated nft/gift shop where anyone can come buy our nfts (but no exchanges between customers allowed). We will also be selling reservations at executive prices to buy a time share at some of our tables that will reset every season with bonus rewards like staff saying "hi how are you" or preforming a dance for you...now that i think about it i will probably just scrap the idea of ever getting ingredients for the kitchen but not tell anyone for like 9 months.
So the Krusty Krab 2 then?
Can you collaborate with Skeet Hansen??
Why bother ? Once your restaurant is booked for months, tables filled with old regulars and new paying guests, you just announce that there never will be any ingredient in the kitchen. Ever. But that might get new chairs from time to time, maybe even a new staff member, like once a year ! You already did that for free at your previous restaurant, but that's fine !
To me, it's pretty clear why they waiting so long to officially announce that the standalone PVE campaign was effectively canceled; they needed time to make the first batch of seasonal PVE missions to try and soften the blow. That way they could go "sorry folks, the big thing we promised isn't coming, but look, we still have PVE story missions in the seasons that'll weave together into a big, epic story!" to convince people that there's still PVE like they originally said, just not how they originally said it was. They seem to think their "reenvisioned" PVE model will placate those disappointed that the original promise won't be kept, but as was mentioned, the PVE was what was promoted to justify the 2, and now it's just a little tacked-on feature.
Pro tip: If a company is in decline, losing on its main game, and going to be bought. EVERY project will suffer. Saw this falling apart at the announcement. Glad I never got it
It's not being bought. Which is also a problem, because Bobby will stay at the helm.
@@Sorrowdusk not only that, but if the acquisition doesn't go through they'll probably lose a lot of interest from investors and will be even worse off
Basically, Acti/Blizz is even more fucked than we think
So no one should have any expectations for Diablo.
They should absolutely allow refunds for this.Also class action lawsuits for false marketing should be a regular occurence in AAA gaming at this point.
Refunds for what? People payed for multiplayer not for the campaign
@@Nightcrawler90210 Obviously I'm talking about the people who payed money for this based on the promise that there would be a campaign. It's not rocket science you know.
@@Ivotas But OW2 is free to play?
@@LightsJusticeZ they took pre orders for early access plus bonus content
@@bradyguy99 But none of that stuff was future content promising to be delivered for any PvE content. It was just skins and discount for the Battlepass - nothing false or hidden about pre-ordering.
”operate on the level you deserve”
It’s never operated at the level we deserved and now it never will
See, this is what bothers me right now. They've put all this time and effort into developing a feature, only to scrap it. We've seen it time and time again where a studio will put in effort into something only for it not to be in the final product. We get excuses, and the studio has to recoup the costs, right? It seems like this is a new norm in the industry and it really makes one wonder with games costing as much as they do now why the consumer is left footing the bill for studios not being able to manage themselves correctly.
"Should we continue pouring resources into this or should we just focus on the service?"
Easy translation: PvE takes too much work and won't make us infinite money. A live service is easy and will print money for us.
Nothing says Activision Blizzard quite like gaslighting and making stuff up. Seems very fitting considering their track record...
Actually disheartening tho. Guess its finally time to touch grass
Or play any number of other games
@@R17759 TRUE AND BASED
It was already awful enough when they deleted the leveling system/player borders, but now it was literally for nothing.
There's a lawsuit in here somewhere. False marketing has been prominent in the games industry and I wish I had the funds to follow through with something like that.
This is really fucked honestly. I see a lot of people trying to sort of give grace on this when that is pretty much out of the question at this point. This is Activision, one of the biggest gaming publishers/developers on Earth and is currently in the process of being the focus of one of the biggest buyouts in video game history. There is no excuse as to why a company with the level of resources they have could not bring this together.
Even worse is that they knew this was not going to be a thing well before launching the game and they had to know that the promise of a future PvE mode was the whole point people were even willing to play "OW2". They knew, collected as much money up front as they could letting the deception hang in the air only to pull this trap.
Probably the saddest part to all of this is that it does not matter. Tons of people will continue to give Activision their money without fail despite being knowingly fucked over. Ultimately gamers have said they are okay with Activision bs and that the numerous ethical, moral, and consumer based failures have little impact on people buying their products.
they don't care about the majority of their playerbase. they care about the 5% of "people" who buy every sticker, weapon charm, skin emote etc that they put into the game. how they afford it is beyond me, but they're all the corpos care about.
Man I got no sympathy for people STILL dumb enough to keep falling for Blizzard's shit. 'Blizzard values' produced Diablo Immortal. Their values have nothing to do with consumer satisfaction, and everything to do with suckering and scamming their audience. I doubt the PVE was ever a serious plan, it was just a carrot to dangle in front of people to justify releasing Overwatch 1 again, but with a 2 at the end. And it worked, GG guys.
Waited 4 years for this only for them to cancel it 💀. At this point just over it. Like wtf was the point of the sequel if your just gonna cancel the main selling point
Those succulent battlepass and paid cosmetics sure make a good sequel 🥴
You consider that a "sequel"? It was always a Micro-transaction overhaul. PvE was supposed to make everything seem like it wasn't a COMPLETE cash grab
@@anti-roxas850 at this point just gonna un install. They are trying to make it seem like season 6 is gonna be the best in overwatch history when in reality it’s no different than any other live service title.
Well how much money did they juice out of you over that 4 years?
That was the point.
Sucker.
Damn you really fell for that cmon
They really redefined what a sequel is: a monetization update. Wow! The bar is really set high for installments of our favorite franchises!
this is absurd because I am playing the new Zelda - you know, the one that people thought was gonna be "glorified DLC" and that game is like 300% of what botw was...
@@chainclaw07 Yes, Zelda will stop game companies from heavily monetizing their games with microtransactions! Why didn't I think of that before? GENIUS-GENIUS-GENIUS!!!
@@chainclaw07 that's crazy my man, but I don't remember anyone asking.
Overwatch doesn't get to be called a franchise until it has at least 1 sequel.
The Madden model, recycled for shooters. Sad
Game developers lately have set the bar so low i feel like i could make my own game with my spare time and do better. Most of these decisions seem influenced by money and not by making something fun to enjoy.