WHO KILLED WHO in Scream 4 (2011)
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- If you've ever wondered which killer did what in Scream 4, this video will breakdown the entire movie, including all deaths and phone calls, to tell you exactly who was responsible for what and which Killer was behind the ghostface mask in each scene.
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First of all, if you're asking yourself "Who was the killer in Scream 4"? or "Who were the killers in Scream 4"? you needn't read any more, because there are MAJOR SCREAM 4 SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
What is up Scream team! I know it has been a long wait for some of you, but the video is finally here. I promise you it wasn't for a lack of trying. In fact, this was probably the most difficult of all 4 films for me to comprehend because there was so much missing from the final cut of the movie. Wes Craven himself alleges that the movie was around 30 minutes longer, and the studio made them cut out a lot of key scenes. Some of which appear on the North American and European releases of the blu-ray, but there is no definitive director's cut of the movie that exists out there.
However, @xanart1982 on Instagram put together an immaculate HD cut of the movie sourcing as much deleted and extended scenes and content as possible, to provide an optimal version of the film, which I can attest is a much better watch than the widely released edit. You can find that version here: drive.google.c... (You may have to send a request)
Hopefully one day all of the missing content will resurface and we will get the movie the way Wes Craven had intended for us to see it, but until then, this is the absolute best I have to work with in order to figure out what's going on here.
If you've seen my previous videos though, you know how much I've gushed over Craven's genius and attention to detail, so even though a lot of that got lost in the shuffle here, there are still a few clues we can look at to know exactly who was behind the mask between Jill and Charlie. There's just going to be some instances where it seems like they were able to teleport, and I can't really justify that at all other than to say the studio had forced the production to move the movie along at a much quicker pace.
But this isn't a Scream 4 review, so I won't get too much into the issues I have with the film here, and instead just interpret the evidence as analytically as I can. For anyone pointing out flaws in my own logic and inconsistencies with information I've provided in other videos, I (as with some of you) am still learning new things about this franchise every day. So there is definitely some information I will be providing here that goes against what I've said in my Ghostface rankings video. That doesn't necessarily mean that I have a different idea of who the best ghostface is now, just that I may need to re-evaluate all the killers in general, as I now have a more definite idea of their kill count. As always, remember that my opinions are just my own, and in no way meant to be considered 100% factual of the actual franchise. Only Wes Craven knows for sure. Rest in Power, my friend.
So grab some popcorn, and maybe a soda, and sit back for the most comprehensive 23 minutes you will probably see on the internet today regarding Scream 4. And don't forget to like, share, subscribe, and let me know in the comments when you think Ghostface was Charlie Walker (Rory Culkin), and when you think it was Jill Roberts (Emma Roberts).
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Alright Scream team, you know the routine. Who was Charlie and who was Jill?
You should do scary movie
Can you do the tv seris
Hex: Devour Dope I hope because the way the news and stuff made it seem like she was really tired of the horror genre
Charlie was the guy and Jill was the girl. Hope this helps 🙂
Zack, im part of the scream team, because not only is the series my favorite and I have dressed up and collected his stuff, but also Scary Movie is a very funny parody.. so maybe you could do a video on that! Also, these video's helped a lot for when re watching it, I could hear Ghostface make Billy and Stu hurt noises and for the other movies could hear the other killers.!
I feel like Charlie went so brutally on Olivia as a way to impress Jill since she was watching.
Yeah looking back at Olivia's death scene, Jill was checking whether Olivia was standing by the window a lot of times, in a way she's examining Charlie killing Olivia as if she needs Charlie to prove himself to her. When Charlie showed the girls Olivia's body I think it was to show off to Jill 'See Jill I can do this really well', Jill then immediately grabbed Kirby and ran off signalling Charlie to leave the scene. This would mean potentially Charlie is not as skilled as Jill as a killer, so he needs this kill to prove to Jill he can get the job done, and that could mean Jill did most of the killings.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ that's just sick and disgusting. A competition about who is a better killer and the victims are their own friends and family. It's scary to think that out there in real life, there are people who would do such a thing and they feel good about it. the devil is real.
@@adamazri928 Exactly. Jill I think represents Narcissists who will do anything to get what they want. It's scary that people like her exist in real life and have become successful, even, such as, for example... Amber Heard, except the murder part. To quote Jill: 'That's sick, right? Well, sick is the new sane. You had your 15 minutes, now I want mine! ..How do you think people become famous any more? You don't have to achieve anything. You just gotta have fucked up shit happen to you.'
Nicholas Chen I completely disagree on your assessment. I think the reason he killed Olivia the way he did was to put on a show and possibly impress Jill. Not to prove him self as he’s “the weaker killer” and that it means she killed most. Think about it for a second. Like outside of Zack’s analysis of who killed who of which I think is spot on. Why would Charlie a known fan of the Stab films be the weaker killer and the one with the least. Jill shown no interest in the films to even let me buy that she knows more about portraying ghostface better then him. He definitely got off on it as where she just wanted fame
GhostFace1301 It’s interesting to see a different point of view. Yes Charlie loves those films to death, but I don’t think Jill doesn’t like them at all. There are hints Jill likes the Stab movies including in Kirby’s house they played Stab 7 and Kirby said ‘Come on it’s her favourite’ and Jill played innocent by responding ‘I don’t wanna watch it after what happened to Olivia’.
Now, as of who is the weaker killer, here’s how I see it: the two times when it was obvious Charlie is the Ghostface Sidney beat him, once by smashing a glass frame on his head then kick him in the head, the second time kicked him off the stairs of Kirby’s house. We know Jill isn’t exactly a Michael Myers-tier killer but based on the times she’s unmasked, when she stabbed Charlie in the heart swiftly and quite accurately and how she was went berserk on Sidney in hospital then it took 4 people to take her down, I think she is more adaptive and could handle herself. Imagine her in costume, I can see how she is the Ghostface killing with precise stabbing s. Then of course, the beauty of Scream films is that we can go back and guess who is the killer, it’s not an absolute confirmation of which person is the better killer, but it’s certainly something worth noting.
I think the incredibly stronger, taller 6’2” stuntman did it all.
LMAO
Lol like how it happens in scary movie
Finally someone who understands logic! Scream 5 had this problem too.. I'll stick to the original trilogy!
@@SnwBdrJ exactly, because that girl in Scream 5 is like 5’1”, no way she’s over powering ANYONE!! 😂🤣. The other guy though, he makes a little more sense since he’s a regular sized man
@@CeeWorld69 he 6'1 just an inch shorter than the stuntman
Honestly Jill is my favourite killer. Maybe she didn't stab people herself, but she was the best schemer. No one suspected her. She had a clear elaborate plan that would have actually worked. Also it was a twist reveal that surprised me the most out of all movies. Killer disguised as final girl. Brilliant
I find it funny how Scream 4 has the most and least obvious killers in the franchise
Ehh she was bratty it felt like why hate so much from a kid looking up it’s her big cousin maybe if they were the same age
Don't say stupid things.
@@AyImGone What?
@@scottchaison1001 like how are you going to hate on a cousing thts wy older than you, the logic
I don't think Jill/Charlie ever intended to kill Gale. Notice that Ghostface not only stabbed Gale in the shoulder like Jill would later do to herself, but they also cut her arm, just like Charlie did to Jill. They were always meant to write the book together with their "matching wounds and all"
Yeah, she definetly wanted to injure gale for two reasons though, one, the matching stab wounds and two, getting Sidney more alone
it had to be charlie tho
@@lunajohnson7091 Okay?
Oof
@@lunajohnson7091its unknown so stfu
Fun fact. Kirby is actually listed as a potential survivor.
Jill also could have survived.
Joker JAK no she didn’t who told y’all that? Sis got shot in her head. She didn’t survive nothing
@@ronniethornton7350 Excatly.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Right lol i had to rewatch that scene earlier lol i said she got shot in the chest not head
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Trevor got shot in the head by jill
Scream 4 has the most confusing “who killed who” plot
Well not really LoL. You can pretty much tell who killed who. In the first one it was way too obvious 😂
@@ultimategrimreaper6499 I hope you're being sarcastic because it wasn't obvious at all. Seems like no one can agree on who killed whom in Scream, even when Williamson CONFIRMS one of them. Lol
@@Joker_JAK LoL, no. I'm serious. But I understand what you're saying. It's Cool 😁👍. And both Wes and Kevin confirmed who killed who in the first film. All three actually
@@ultimategrimreaper6499 That's not true at all, but ok. 👍
Joker JAK it bothers me that they focus on the killer in the opening scene using one hand to stab Casey, just to say it was Stu. But I’d rather believe Stu killed Casey lol
In conclusion, Jill used Charlie to kill everyone and so she can do the final act herself.
You guys are making Charlie look more stupid than how he actually is. This video is just one man's opinion
typical high school girl lol
@@kemarblake1854 No one’s making Charlie look “stupid”. That was Jill’s entire plan since the beginning, she had not intentions on keeping Charlie alive.
Now that I’ve seen another one of your comments, it seems that your issue is Jill being inactive the whole time. I definitely see where you’re coming from, Jill is one of my favorite Ghostface’s and I thought she participated a lot more. Such as killing Rebecca, the cops, and attacking Gale. However, it does make sense that Jill would sit back until the end, her whole plan was to play the victim, then frame Trevor and Charlie.
It’s not too far fetched to assume Charlie did everything either (as much as I don’t want to). Jill had him completely wrapped around her finger. I still want to believe Jill has a higher kill count, but it doesn’t make sense with all the inconsistencies. We can only blame all the confusing director cuts. Still love the movie tho.
Inconsistencies such as?
@@kemarblake1854 Inconsistencies as far as their whereabouts. Most of the time, Jill was preoccupied. If Jill was the one who attacked Gale, killed the cops, and killed her mother, it would make a lot more sense if the movie was put together better.
This feels like the scene in "Clue" where Tim Curry is frantically running around the mansion explaining everything lol
The moment of explaining Charlie distracting the cops and sneaking into Olivia's closet is when I let go and got dropped on the stairs like Mrs. White
LMAO!!!! Totally feels that way!
I like to think that the cops actually chased Trevor down the block because they saw him trying to sneak into Jill's house to see her while Charlie was hiding in Olivia's closet the whole time. But that's just a theory. A Scream theory.
Or... They were just messing around and went for a walk down the street. And after Olivia got killed, they made up the story about seeing him run down the street.
@@ZackCherry going off the scene where they're shooting the shit right before they die, what you say is also likely. These are Dewey's policemen.
I read that in MatPat's voice 😂
@@ZackCherry Oh yeah, I never thought for a second when watching the movie for the first time that they actually saw Ghostface
Jill was with Kirby and Charlie in Olivia's closet, and it is impossible that he made the call to Kirby and that Olivia did not hear him, there is a third ghostface and it is Hicks
Jill came the closest to killing Sidney. Also both movies with female killers they always have their partner do most of the killings and pin it on them, they have always come the closest.
Because of Charlie? Jill was more the brains without Charlie she would have never gotten close to killing Sidney
@@LA_Vandal562 there can be a lot of Charlie’s , but Jill (master mind) only a few
girlbossing
How tables have turnt in scream 5
She would have to kill someone as ghostface tho. It wouldn’t make sense.
Jill didn't kill anybody except Trevor. That's the whole point of how she would have framed Charlie. Also it could be shown that she killed Charlie and Trevor as they were supposed to be the killers
Very good point. Thank you 👍🏼
Yes you are right. Jill was very smart to pit the whole blame on trevor and charlie..
That's ridiculous, there are two ghostfaces and one doing all the killings and the phone calls, then why have two ghostfaces in the movie. I think you should look into what you are saying
Jill killed Janne, you can hear her voice
@@kemarblake1854 that's basically the second one as well for the most part Mickey killed most of the people.
Makes sense to me. Jill would want Charlie being linked to every kill anyway as per her stated plan to frame him for everything. Besides which, Jill wasn't motivated to be infamous as the next big killer but rather as The Final Girl.
It's just one man's opinion though, I believe Jill did alot more. Look at the ending when Jill killed Trevor, she didn't even blink which shows she has experience. When charlie killed Kirby, he was shaking hard which suggests Jill did alot more.
@@kemarblake1854 To me that just suggests that Charlie really did like Kirby and didn't want to kill her whereas Jill might verge on the psychopathic tendencies. She doesn't blink because she doesn't care.
@@dant697 yes but for someone who is killing for the first time she wouldn't behaves like that even if she truly doesn't care
@@kemarblake1854 Maybe she killed before the movie started
@@lunajohnson7091 that's right. Charlie named who he killed close to the ending, Jill did the rest. These people need to stop taking this one man's opinion as the real deal gosh
I read somewhere that Charlie kills with multiple stab wounds as Jill goes straight in for one stab kills and if you notice that detail, it can make it easy. I just think it’s like you said and the editing was messed up.
which is what makes me think she's the one who stabs Gale cause of the single stab wound, and comment there after.
Witches Crow yeah and she did know where she was stabbed
Same with Billy and stu!
@@Afewsmellyfingers Billy holds his knife high with one hand, and stabs his victims. Whereas, Stu holds the knife with two hands and likes to Slice 'N Dice his victims.
@@witchescrow4202 she still had to be home tho. how would she even get there? she saw it happen on the cam.
I was hoping you’d mention Wes’s commentary or an interview I believe where Emma was told to “not look that scared” when hiding under the bed while Charlie chased Sidney. Wes Craven was a true mastermind, may he Rest in Paradise. I hope these new people do Scream 5 justice.
Good breakdown. Glad to see Charlie get more credit than you initially gave him. Dude is actually a pretty solid killer. He and Stu are in my top 2 spots.
Charlie is my number 3, Jill is my number 2 and Stu is my number 1
Facts facts, Charlie is a brutal sold killer tbh. To me he’s unique.
He’s probably the most brutal and gory killer he reminds me of a quiet kid most brutal killer in the most brutal scream movie .
D M the quiet ones are the dangerous ones💯
I like the idea of Charlie doing all the dirty work for Jill. I def think Charlie is underrated and one of the most, if not, most brutal Ghostface
I have so many problems with this movie’s killers. Emma and Rory are 5’3” and 5’6” respectively. Dane Farwell as Ghostface is 6’1”. He’s taller than everyone in the cast. It’s noticeable in the movie as well. Ghostface looms over every one of its victims. So when Jill is revealed as the killer, she’s hilariously short as Ghostface. It looks like a kid in costume on Halloween. When Charlie has Sidney by the neck as he stands behind her, he is considerably shorter than she is.
When Gale fights with Emma’s Ghostface, she would’ve noticed the obviously petite size of her attacker. “Hey, Dewey. Whoever attacked me was tiny. Very petite. And likely a girl. Like Jill.”
This all made the reveal laughable to me. I can not forgive these glaring problems.
The thought of “they were wearing lifts”!is even more ridiculous
At least Laurie Metcalf is the same height as Neve
Understandable, but I’m able to overlook it simply because I like the “supposed final girl was the killer all along” twist they had with Jill :)
Wearing lifts would make sense. It would disguise the possibility of them being compromised by their heights.
Billy at 5'10 and Stu at 6'3 always worked. You could believe they were in the costume.
Just saying, they actually did have Emma Roberts wear boots to increase her height on set. I can buy that Jill and Charlie did this while in the Ghostface costume to throw Investigators off their trail with height comparisons. Plus, Ghostface is usually taller than Sidney; it would make sense that in a Woodsboro remake, they’d try to replicate that even if Sid was taller than them outside the costume
@@angeliccreeper1486 9 inch boots... Um, no. Nice try. She’d be walking around like Frankenstein. Any push and she’d fall right over. A gust of wind and she’d topple over like an unbalanced jenga tower. Just before her reveal, she looks like a little kid in the costume. The camera almost needs to pan down for her to be in frame. Even the hood is tight around her head, it looks like a cosplay Ghostface. It’s bad. Not THE WITCHES (2020) bad but it’s bad.
Yoooo these "Who Killed Who" breakdowns are mesmerizing. You are doing God's work. I'm all for this "Jill was the brains, Charlie was the brawn" theory, but in my mind-canon she killed those cops while waiting for Kirby to pick her up. She could have easily held Kirby off with "o hey i'll be 5 minutes late" messages. We all have that friend! And maybe sometimes that friend is secretly killing people.
Kirby is alive! She just has to be 😭
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Wes Craven even said that Kirby was found alive and would most likely would have joined Jill in the hospital scene. And Hayden was cast with no kill/Death
What if I told you…
I feel like Jill was the one who attacked Gale because she literally slipped it out in the hospital. At the hospital, she talks to Dewey and talks about how they can write a book together and talk about their ‘matching wounds’. And then when Dewey tells Gale Jill said what she said, Gale then questions how does she know about what happened to me? And how would Jill know she got attacked and has matching wounds? Maybe because she was the one who done it to her...
Or because Charlie texted her? Possible too
There 2 killers. Remember in scream 1 billy told stu “I thought you said she was dead” Stu replied with “she looked dead man, still does” Charlie could’ve told her definitely.
Or saw a video of it
Plus people would have noticed if Charlie disappeared during an event he was cohosting
Nope Jill was back at the house on the phone with Curby who’s at the stabathon where Gale was attacked so couldn’t have been Jill.
Jill and Charlie would have had to been tactical geniuses to pull this off.
Yep re watch when Olivia dies jill was in her room with kirby so that leaves Charlie yeah ? Well who filmed it. Watch jill at the end show the video of Olivia being killed. Charlie is being filmed by someone in the corner of the room.
@@ianperrow7902 no it was a stationary set up cam by charlie
This cast is filled with some of the most gorgeous actresses in it.
Hayden Panettiere and Emma Roberts are the two most attractive in the cast. I like Emma Roberts a little more then Panettiere because Emma is more my type. I also have a thing for short girls I guess lol
@@ChaseRapoport11 same
Hayden is totally my type. I don’t like abusive people.
@@meghanhenderson8417 it was a mutual abusive relationship oh my god
@@keeleygrace_ Okay and? It being mutual doesn’t exclude either of them then does it? An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. They both need therapy and you probably do too.
For me, the guy that the cops chased around the back of the houses was Trevor, after sneaking down from Jill's bedroom and lingering in the area (probably thinking he was protecting Jill). It would have been dark around the side of Jill's house, and with all the trees, Trevor would have looked like a shadow guy to the cops, and when they chased Trevor, he got spooked and hid in some backyard bushes of that neighbourhood; leaving the cops to think he just disappeared and keep looking for him nearby. This would also explain why Trevor reappears just after the cops once Ghostface has done his stuff; and the cops would have concluded that the shadow guy and Ghostface where the same person after all that just happened.
Charlie was in the closet the whole time. He wasn't scared of the cops being outside as later in the film he just lunges at them.
That's my take anyways. Lol.
Thanks for these videos. Love them!
Since Williamson wrote Scream 4 as the start of a new trilogy, I strongly believe there was a 3rd killer. I think Hicks would have been revealed as a killer in a future film.
i think theres a good chance that stu is still alive pulling strings and either just never mentioned or believed dead or the short haird girl from 3 that was supposed to be a killer but "died" or possibly both have banded together and will be the 2 killers behind the scenes or possibly 3 to 4 killers in scream 5 only revealing stu/ short haired girl at the end. i just feel like if they have people returning for 5 they will go crazy big.
@@dillonoickle5841 Sounds like a total fantasy.
@@dillonoickle5841 the dude was stabbed multiple times, losing mass amounts of blood and “feeling woozy” (as he said) then a very large, very heavy television was pushed onto his face and electrocuted HIS BRAIN. he dead
@@thegirlinquestion slasher flick logic if you arent pronounced dead on camera your still alive.
@@dillonoickle5841 he’s dead
Because I knew this was coming, I rewatched the film and tried to figure it all out for myself it’s a fun new angle to watch these films. Looking forward to watching the video even more now.
You'll have to share your theories.
Scream 4 is my second favorite scream film
Have you seen Scream 5 casting? Hicks is coming back. Maybe she’s the queen of the little ghost face generation. And helped in several Scream 4 murders...
I didn’t know their was gonna be a scream 5
Yup 👍🏾, she had some involvement in Rebecca, Gales barn attack, Hoss, Perkins and Kate’s death
Yes, she's the third Ghostface, and she kills Kate, Hoss and Perkins
I had this exact same idea! I texted my sister last week with a theory about Hicks being one of the killers. Hicks liked Dewey. in scream 4, Gale almost died. Granted jill wanted her dead, but what if Hicks was also working with the killers and guaranteed they wouldn’t go to prison if they killed gale for her. Then I believe one of the other killers is one of the new cast members and they are related to Hicks. She and her family member kill everyone but Dewey. Usually in scream there are two killers and one betrays the other in the end. So what if at the end Hicks kills her family member because they are no use to her anymore and then she’s about to kill gale but obvi Sidney saves the day as always. All of this while Dewey has no idea Hicks is one of them until the end. Furthermore, Jill wanted Sidney dead because of her popularity. Hicks tells Sidney they went to school but Sidney doesn’t remember and with Sidney becoming popular Hicks wants her dead. That’s just my theory but I’m standing behind it until the 5th one lol.
In one of the alternate scripts her and her little sister were the killers.
Im still so impressed by how thorough you are. Still annoyed that a lot of these deleted scenes didn't make the final cut
I'd agree with you that Jill had to have the least amount of blood on her hands for her plan to work and tbh, Jill was the Mastermind. I don't see a reason for the Mastermind to have their hands dirty when they can have others do their work for them. But damn, Charlie went on a fucking killing spree like damn.
Not really. Charlie is more physically capable of killing most of the characters. Jill probably didn’t want to get her hands dirty so that she would be less suspicious.
@@DeadpoolAnimate Yes bro. That's my whole point...
I never noticed the correlation between Neil and Trevor, i love the little details your videos give. Props and kudos 👏👏
I had always thought that Jill had killed Rebecca, her mom, and the two cops and because of how quick the kills were. I had always thought that the more aggressive and gruesome kills were from Charlie. But after seeing this video I think what you said makes the most sense.
I think she definitely could have possibly killed Rebecca but for her mom and the cops Jill was with Kirby.
according to deleted scenes and the version we got, Jill was with Kirby during that time.
Rebecca is 50/50
Hey Zack. Thank you for bringing us this series of videos. It was particularly enjoyable. Never get tired of your content!
I'm also surprised by Jill's potential very low bodycount, but you made some very fair points indicating she was indeed the brain while Charlie was the lapdog. However, I don't think it works in Jill's disfavour (so, nah, you don't need to redo your Ghostfaces ranking), on the contrary. Much like with Mrs.Loomis, it actually goes perfectly with Jill's plan to just be the clever mastermind and have someone do the dirty work for her and be blamed for it later on.
Also, your analysis prooves once again that those deleted scenes should never have been deleted.
However, since there were quite a few times where the killer (whoever that was) seemed to be able to move around Woodsboro at incredible speed, what about a "was there a third killer in Scream 4?" theory video? I mean, we all know Judy was suspicious from beginning to end and that she COULD technically have commited almost all murders. D:
The way I justify killers teleporting back and forth is that in movies you cannot tell the time in between scene breaks. Time can only be accurately assessed in single unbroken shots.
I was supposed to be at my girlfriends house. I told her I was gonna be 23 minutes late 😶
Lol 😆
Just wanted to go to the beach, welp i guess I'll postpone it for 23 minutes
Im supposed to be going to work. Worth being late 😂
23 likes 😂😂😂
you could of watched with ur gf doe
The Scream playbook is that if it's a male/female killer duo, the woman is the mastermind who gets the guy to do the vast majority of the kills for her. Makes sense. I think Scream 3 originally planned the opposite where Roman was the mastermind who stayed in the shadows and Angelina was the knife-happy psycho doing his bidding.
Lol Scream 5 finally changed that. Amber did the most work
They both planned it
Honestly this makes sense, Jill doesn't have the physical capabilities as much as Charlie but was more clever in how she played her part and manipulated people, this includes her connection with everyone, which Sidney had very little connection anymore after the prior movies, making it easier to manipulate her cause she held on to those ties with her entire heart blinding her, but also Jill was not as physically adept as Charlie not the best fit as a primary killer without a gun but a killer strategist, Charlie was more interested in the movie aspect but also much more dense then Jill cause he's trying to impress her and make her and his dreams a reality, making him easily manipulated thinking he's gonna get the girl and make an amazing film.
Yes this is why the reveal of Jill being one of the GF was a joke, and personally to me disappointment. Sorry what is she maybe 5'2 100 to 110 at the most, lol you want me to believe Jill has the ability to do half of these kills 😂😂😂.
Marnie’s death - Jill
Jenny’s phonecall - Charlie
Jenny’s death - Jill
Olivia’s death - Obviously charlie
Call to Sidney - You’ve convinced me it’s Charlie
Rebecca’s call and kill - Charlie
Gale’s attack - Charlie
Hoss and Perkin’s death - Charlie
Sidney’s second call - Jill (I just have a hunch)
Kate’s death - You’ve also convinced me it‘s Charlie
Robbie’s death - Charlie
Kirby’s death(yes I think she’s dead) - Charlie
Trevor and Charlie - Jill obviously
Funny I was always adamant before recently that Jill killed her mom but in a way having Charlie do the deed is just as sinister. It’s like she’s so apathetic towards her mom that she’s not even important enough to murder in person.
Matthew Ferrisi thank you!!! I also think Kirby is dead, also Stu... their characters were great hope by any circumstances never “resurrect them”
@@stabbingghost6674 Stu especially should stay dead. Not only did a tv fall on his head, but Jamie Lee Curtis was onscreen during the act! Iconic doesn't even begin to describe it.
I thought Jill killed Kate, Hoss and Perkins but ok
Matthew Ferrisi Kirby isn’t dead
Hayden Pannetierre had a no death clause in her contract
Most underrated TH-camr ever
Yeah, these videos should have views up near Cinemasins Scream video territory.
Totally agree
His Scream videos are fucking amazing. The analysis is so in depth👏👏
This is a fantastic, original and very in-depth analysis man! I like you are giving Charlie more credit, arguably the least popular Ghostface killer in the series.
However I think it's easy to tell which person is in the Ghostface costume based on their styles alone, Charlie is aggressive, messy AF when it comes to killing his victims and likes to repeatedly stab them in the abdomen (Olivia and Jenny in that alternate opening), his chaotic style is also more evident when he is attacking Gale in the barn, while Jill usually stabs only once, and moves more calmly, and that's why I think she was the killer who killed the cops and drove them a bit far away... Or maybe it's a two-man job? I also suspect she is the one who killed Rebecca, as the mannerism matches it. Jill also strikes me as someone who has a more sadistic sense of humor, and that's why I think it was her who called Rebecca 'I'd be happy to put you there in the f**king morgue!'
For the alternate opening it was definitely Charlie who killed both girls, and with the camera angle of the footage Charlie shows to Sid at the end of the film it's clear that Marnie's death is identical, but in the theatrical opening, I won't be surprised if it was Jill who killed Jenny. The garage door crushing is brutal and sadistic AF, seems like something Jill would do. Like what I said before, Jill moves more slowly and calmly, matches Ghostface's style during Jenny's chase scene.
The wind chimes are probably just reflecting the killer at the front door, a smart trick.
Fantastic for pointing out Kirby is the wild card in the killer's scheme during the after-party, I think after Charlie finished taking care of Robbie, Jill tied Trevor up upstairs, then planned to walk downstairs to hold Kirby off by the door for a while, and Charlie would then burst in and kill Kirby there, just leaving enough time for them to stage for Sidney's arrival, but Sidney came in here earlier than expected and interrupted the plan. That's why Jill looks PISSED when she was hiding under the bed. This gives us some underrated Kirby moments where she showed she had the smarts to be a survivour, during that scene she was smart enough to hide in the basement, taken Sidney to hide there as well, and she listened to Sidney's advice. There were theories that Olivia was the new Tatum Riley and Kirby being the legit new Sidney, and I think they were definitely setting her up to be a badass heroine.
Emma Roberts as ghost face is gold!!!!! :) she wins a lot of you tubers top spot fav killer and reveal in the series
Witches Crow Definitely, she’s in my Top 3 Ghostface as well (Roman, Billy and Jill). What I’m saying is this video gives Charlie more credit than most people.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ I know, I read what you wrote lol I agree, its nice that Charlie had someone finally give him decent creds, as most people tend to gas Jill up more due to her planning the whole thing. :P
I like that "style" analysis
Not buying it don’t think she killed the cops or Rebecca as she would get easily caught trying to put on a costume in the middle of a busy hospital with cameras
I laughed so hard when you said "I'll be right back" at the end, great video, I can see all your points. Let's hope to Sidney be the main character again in the next movie
Can’t wait for “Who Killed Who in Scream 5.”
Angelina killed Gale
@@poohshiesty5624 gale dies in Scream 5??
@@poohshiesty5624 isn't angelina dead in scream 3?
@@davidfarley8827bro 😂
Craven was one of the best and gave the scream franchise life. So I'm not sure what to expect for scream 5 but I have high hopes.
I always thought that Jill was the one who stabbed Gail. Because of the comment Jill made in the hospital towards the end about her and Gail writing a book together because they had matching wounds, Because in the following scene you see Gail and Dewey discussing about Jill 's injuries and Gail questions why Jill knew that Gail was stabbed in the shoulder and that's when Dewey realises that Jill was the killer.
she saw it happen in the cam from her room.
I never realized she doesn’t have a phone, I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve seen this😂
RIP wes craven a true legend fly high angel
cant wait for who killed who for scream 5.
Unless there’s only one killer.. lol
That’s sadly going to be a 2 year wait
With the informations we have i think Will be like a cult, 4 or more people
Apparently Judy Hicks is one of the killers in Scream 5 but not working with the other killer and it revealed to the audience early on she is a killer after luring Dewey to his death...
@@redmd9772 Where’d you hear that?
I always felt like the voice actor playing Ghostface in these films has a gift for listening to someone's vocal mannerisms and mimics them well enough to surmise who's at least calling.
Paired with Wes' eye for details visually makes for the most fun who-dun-its in Horror.
In one of the audition sides for Scream 4, there is a scene where Kirby is talking to Sidney and tells Sid that she lives in Stu's old house. You can see many similarities (probably been remodeled) and would explain how Sidney knew where Kirby lived.
That's such a cool detail! Why would they have it removed???
@@CuntyMisanthrope During production, Bob Weinstein started meddling in with what he wanted to derive away from in the script. And they were already shooting. So on the spot, Wes Craven had to write scenes, shoot scenes as written, then edit out scenes later, or reshoot them. That’s why this film is a cutting room nightmare and seems like a first draft rather than a polished final draft before shooting. Kevin was so done with studio meddling, as his original script was pretty fucking solid, that he quit and refused to do rewrites. They’ve already been through script hell on ALL previous entries of the franchise, he basically just said as long as I’m credited and get my paycheck, i’m out!
@@ethandram wow, so unprofesional! Thank youu
Thank you for this entire series examining various aspects of this franchise. You inspired me to go back and re-watch all the movies. Can't wait for Scream 2022!
Just finished the video. Amazing. I love how you completely went against the crowd on this one. Most credit Jill with handful of kills that I can understand why. But with your observation on the deleted scenes it definitely makes sense Charlie did them. I’m not mad I love Charlie as a killer and this makes me appreciate him that much more knowing he played a bigger part behind the mask and other schemes. Also love the Trevor clothes catch. Keep up the great! Favourite channel on TH-cam!
i love how you breakdown the execution of these movies. when we watch the movie we’re so focused on the whodunnit and who’s going to die next. the movie explains the motive but never how much detail and planning these characters do throughout the movie that totally goes over the audiences heads. so good job and thank you!!
If this is the real thing, it just makes me like Jill even more cuz she didn't hurt a single finger of herself but I'm sure she planned everyone's deaths. She knew that if she had to be the new Sidney then she had to get to the ending scene without killing anybody, and it's even funny if you think about it cuz just like OG Sidney, she just killed the new Billy (Trevor) and Stu (Charly).
Yep but she also planned on killing sidney as well.
Charlie is by far my least favorite Ghostface. He simply lacked an intimidating presence, if any presence at all. Your killer shouldn’t seem weaker when the mask is off, they should be scarier. Emma did an amazing job showing a psychotic girl pulling strings around her, but Charlie’s appeal was totally engulfed by hers. At least Roman beat the crap out of Sidney and was the first killer to manage two shots at her. Billy, Stu, and Jill are the only killers to land a stab wound. Charlie had the least interaction confronting Sidney post reveal, yet we are supposed to believe he did more physical work.
Mathias Eggimann remember Charlie gave the most brutal death in the series, Olivia. It’s that brutal that I can’t even watch the full scene. Charlie gets credit for that, dudes a pretty solid killer ngl.
@@LastDebt555 He has one of the most brutal deaths but Jill is clearly the better of the 2. Even if Charlie did most of the kills, Jill is still the better Ghostface, and it’s universally agreed upon. There’s so many other aspects about Ghostface besides killing, and Charlie lacks in every one.
Charlie literally had NO motive, lmao. In fact, his motive was that he liked Jill. Jill played ole boy and had him wrapped around her finger. Jill was obviously the mastermind of the two, and the master mind is always the better out of the two counterparts: like Billy and Mrs. Loomis.
Jill’s character was set up to be the new “final girl”. However, that’s exactly what Jill wanted to look like. Jill wanted to look like a victim, so that it’d be easier to frame Charlie and Trevor later. And Jill’s motive, ORIGINAL. It definitely makes a lot more sense in this age, so it’s very believable.
Rhonn H. I hear you bro, Charlie had no motive at all, Jill just wanted to frame him. But the dude is a very brutal killer ngl, I always love the fact the there’s 2 ghostfaces, it just looks so badass that way. Billy and stu are without a doubt the best ghostface duo in the scream series. In your opinion who do u think is the worst duo of scream?
@Mathias Eggimann For one, I’m 100% sure he didn’t kill Robbie because he said he was gay. He had every intention on killing Robbie regardless, and it’s likely that Robbie made that comment in an attempt to get out of the situation. If you recall, Charlie said “To survive a horror movie you pretty much have to be gay”. In Robbie’s mind, it was worth a try.
Secondly, I agree that Charlie is one of the worst killers, but Jill is without a doubt one of the best. Jill was the mastermind of this whole movie, and she had Charlie completely wrapped around her finger.
I would like to think that Jill participated a lot more, but if she didn’t, that just goes to show how smart she actually was. Jill’s character was set up to be the new potential “final girl”. And ironically, that’s what Jill wanted to be. Jill wanted to be a victim because her whole plan was to betray Charlie and frame him for the murders at the end, along with Trevor.
With that being said, she planned this whole thing beforehand beginning to end. And the masterminds are always the best out of the 2 counterparts, as seen with Billy and Mrs. Loomis. And the masterminds always come closer to succeeding, Mrs. Loomis and Jill.
However, Jill came the closet! Had she have checked to make sure Sidney was dead and not have ran her mouth (about the matching wounds), she would have without a doubt got away with it.
Lastly, Jill’s motive showcases just how insane she is. It isn’t classic revenge but for fame. Which makes a ton of sense now in the age we’re living in. Just by seeing how far she went to achieve fame, she had her own mother killed! That shows just how deranged she is. And that self-brutalization at the end was perfect, though quite laughable.
Lmao, give Jill her props. And how. Can you call Jill a “whiney brat” but not Billy!?
@@LastDebt555 I hear you too tho. Charlie is definitely one of the most brutal killers, so I’ll give him that. He might’ve honestly been trying to impress Jill with that Olivia kill.
I would like to agree that Stu and Billy are the best duo only because they are the classic Ghostface’s. But if we’re going based on which duos got the job done the best, then I disagree. While most Ghostface’s betrayed their partner, Billy and Stu seemed to plan on surviving together. But at the end, they totally lost control of the situation and didn’t work well as a team.
Even though Jill and Mrs. Loomis betrayed their partners, they were consistent the entire time before hand. And due to their teamwork, Mrs. Loomis and Jill almost got away with it at the end. So, in my opinion, Jill and Charlie did the best, with Mrs. Loomis and Mickey coming in second.
But if we’re going based on which Ghostface’s I like best on their own (and which characters I enjoy the most), then that can also help with the duos. Jill is one of my favorite Ghostface’s, but Charlie drags her down. His kills are cool, and he honestly puts in a lot of work, but his motive was trash and his character was bland. So the scream 4 duo is out.
So honestly, I’d personally say Billy and Stu. Mrs. Loomis was good as Ghostface, and Mickey was cool too. I honestly think he’s a bit underrated because his motive was pretty original, but it was kind of obvious he was the killer because he disappeared for over half of the movie.
As a duo, I definitely enjoy Billy and Stu the most as far as like ability, but I think Jill and Stu definitely came the closest to escaping.
Man i probably have seen this movie 10 times but there are so many details you cleared up that i didn't recognized in the past 😂 great video 👍🏼
Been looking forward to this one for awhile! While definitely thought it was Jill who killed the cops and her mom, it all makes sense. Sad to know these Who Killed Who are over for now!
At least until Scream 5 comes out on blu-ray in 2022 😉
I love these videos. Woke up today a 4am for work and anticipating to watch this 10 hrs later at the end of my shift
YES THANK YOU IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! And i think it’s hilarious you said to like your video for youtube to know you like Scream news and now my feed is flooded with Scream 5 news I love it!!! You’re the best ♥️
I really like your break downs. Makes sense that Jill would manipulate all killings to be done by Charlie to make it easier for police to believe her in the end and trace everything back to him. However, I believe the attack on Gail at the event was never meant to kill her, I think it was done by Jill wounding her purposely in that way. In the end, she injures herself with the knife exactly the way Gail was stabbed and that was the big reveal to Gail and Dewey when she says now they have matching wounds and Gail was like "How would she know that?" Now granted, with them filming each attack, she could've just seen Charlie's video, but this just seems more likely to me especially with Charlie hosting the event publicly during that same time. Other than this, I think Charlie probably did the rest leading up to what we know at the very end.
Your commitment to these videos is amazing I can’t imagine how long it must take to produce a 23 min video.
Watching this in 2023 after seeing Scream 6 knowing Kirby actually survived!
Honestly, I was gonna argue the cops as being Jill's victims, but your explanations make pretty good sense. You're right, Jill would have wanted to keep her hands clean, so Charlie probably did all the killing, to his detriment, because he made himself the perfect fall guy.
I love these videos! It so cool to see it all broken down and made to make sense for me. It's not something I ever really thought about until I found your channel so I'm always excited to see a breakdown like this.
Jill killing Hoss and Perkins makes sense though because that was how she would make sure she could sneak out of the house without sounding the alarm. And god, they did my brilliant killer Jill dirty by not letting her get her hands dirty. I almost wish they went the original route of Scream 3 and showed the killers tag-teaming at one point.
That makes no sense. Alarm? 😂
I believe the cops speaking of seeing ghostface and trying to cut him off was to try and not get in trouble for not paying attention. Great work though, these videos are the only thing keeping me afloat waiting for scream 5
It looks like the door opening and closing that Sidney heard from the basement was actually most likely Kirby locking herself in, now that we know she survived.
So cool now that we know she's also returning for Scream 6. 😄
Honestly can't wait for your 'Who Killed Who In Scream (2022)' video!
I question why Trevor or Trevor’s parent/s never turned off the service to the phone that Charlie was using. If I lose my phone, I am immediately turning off the service.
I think that the Rebecca kill was staged so that either Charlie or Jill calls her, Charlie kills her, hides the body, then Jill throws it off the balcony while Charlie is at the press conference thereby giving him an alibi.
The only characters we see at the press conference though are dewey, gale, hoss, and Perkins. Plus Jill might have a hard time doing anything too strenuous with fresh stitches.
Zack Cherry I was pretty sure Charlie and Robbie were there
S . Storumus they aren’t seen in that scene
Another catch I found when rewatching Scream 4 is the Ghostface stabbed Rebecca in her right abdomen (liver?) and she died almost instantly, the body gesture of the Ghostface is leaning closely to Rebecca, almost in a sadistic and intimate fashion, I may have read too much into this but it seems the Ghostface is in awe with how this one stab is able to kill Rebecca so simply, also the Ghostface is about same height as Rebecca which can be Jill. Later Jill stabbed Sidney in the right abdomen as well, except this time it didn’t work. So yeah I think it was definitely Jill.
Nicholas Chen same stunt man so I don’t think the height thing was intentional
Great video man, I was waiting for this one lol
Another great breakdown, I love the detail you go into for these videos.
Here's what I think:
Trudie & Sherry - Unknown
Rachel - Chloe
Marnie - Jill
Jenny - Jill
Olivia - Charlie
Rebecca - Charlie
Hoss & Perkins - Jill ( since she already left the house )
Kate - Jill
Robbie - Charlie
Kirby - Charlie Obviously
Trevor & Charlie - Jill Obviously
Jill - Sydney
Jenny and Marnie where killed by Charlie since he says it
@@Twistrator They were killed by Jill, you can hear her voice, and he didn't admit that he killed them, he admitted that he killed Robie
@@miih9905 he admitted Robbie, Jenny, Marnie and Olivia plus you can barely even hear anything so no I agree that it was Charlie
In Charlie's defense at Stabathon, the Ghostface costume is super easy to take on and off.
You put on the mask, and you throw on the cloak and you put on the gloves and boom you're done
Yes! Ive been waiting for this video. I love how he analyzes every detail.
Your explanation makes so much sense Zack because when reviewing the footage the police would have seen that the killer had a much frame so it makes sense that Jill made Charlie do all the killing and the only kills that she did weren’t on camera
you should do this who killed who series with the Scream MTV Series.
Another reason why I think Jill killed people before the ending is because of the way how she just killed trevor without blinking, that shows that she has experience man
But Who?
Charlie for sure killed the girls in the intro. Either that or Jill has hands of stone.
Olivia is obviously Charlie’s.
Jill was in hospital all night when the parking lot kill happened
The 2 cops are killed by Charlie, since he gives Jill one of their guns, and they’re both killed by the same guy.
Charlie also records himself killing Robbie.
So her mother is the only person who she could’ve killed
@@frogdropkicker805 Jill killed the girls in the beginning, you can hear her voice
Jill being in the hospital all night was a deleted scene, right? I don't really think we should be using deleted scenes for stuff like that. While it can speak to intent, it was still deleted and thus can't be counted towards the cabin.
@@vanessathomas9641 right. If it was deleted, then there must be a reason. Can't really use deleted scenes because it wouldn't add up if you get what I'm saying. So Jill could have easily killed Rebecca
@@frogdropkicker805 you can't use deleted scenes btw. There is a reason why they deleted it
I appreciate your channel I’m such a scream/ horror movie geek keep posting more
These videos are so good, very nice breakdown of the movie my friend, good job.
Wow... Charlie did way more killing than I thought. He's gone from being my least favourite Ghostface to being my 2nd or 3rd least favourite Ghostface... He's still boring as hell lol
Hes my least fav. Cause he did alot of killing doesnt mean he had any charisma and no interesting motives.
He was basically there to simp... At least he did that well if nothing else lol
He’s my second favourite. I think the fan base give him a hard time. He’s got one of the highest kill counts and the franchise’s best kills. I also liked the characters introverted nature. I think him dying almost instantly after the reveal was a slap in the face of the character and almost setting him up for downfall for the fans
Liking them as a killer and a character are different things, their likability doesn’t affect their capability as killers.
@@radioactive_moose I know, in my opinion the best killers are more complex and layered. They can be empathised with, rooted for or have a compelling character. I just don't think Charlie has any of that working for him. Again, I stress this is an opinion and I respect that others feel differently.
I still think it was Jill who stabbed Gale somehow. Later on, in the hospital, Jill makes a comment about her's and Gale's matching wounds so how would she have known where Gale was stabbed if she didnt do it? I guess Charlie could have told her but I just dont think her and Charlie ever had a conversation of him telling her that he stabbed Gale in the shoulder. I could be wrong though.
Did you forget Charlie set his own camera up and attacked gale she probably just saw it when he uploaded it like the others he showed sidney.
I am so looking forward to you spreading Them :)
Your explanations, once again, make the most sense.
You should do the Scream tv series!
including the underrated season 3 (:
I agree, Resurrection was underrated. Some parts make no sense but it wasn’t bad. I have the same feelings for Scream 3, it has MANY problems but it isn’t a bad movie
@@danteferraro23 I was meh on Season 3. Didn't hate it like some people did but didn't love it either. I loathe that they explained who killed who in it though. It's more fun to guess
Honestly no matter how many times I watch this film, I always have my heart break when Kirby’s scared and releasing him. Then BOOM. He stabs her and she stares up at him, betrayed and hurting, such a powerful scene even for just the few seconds it exists
Omg I love your hair! And also this video is awesome!
I'd never noticed that Sidney doesn't have a phone of her own! I love the idea of Sid being an intentional Luddite, after having lived through so many people being able to reach her at all times.
In my opinion Oliva had the most brutal murder in the fanchise
Was it all charlie? Or was it really a third unrevealed killer that we will finally see in scream 5???
Lol no, Jill killed most of them, whereas Charlie focused mostly on killing Kirby. He killed Olivia to show himself to Jill and Robby Mercer was just standing in his way of killing Kirby.
@@MKT-7777 You must be a Moron because charlie did all the killings and there's proof in this video. You being ignorant and wanting Jill to be bigger than what she actually is making you not see the truth
@@MKT-7777
Literally no, Charlie killed almost everyone in the movie. He’s the muscle, Jill was the brains.
Ok cool
@@Lolpy. I agree
Hey Zack Cherry, I just found your channel. And I have to say, I love it. And you good sir have a new subscriber!
These scream movies give me Among Us vibes
I still think Jill killed the 2 cops and her mom because charlie was at the barn just after stabbing Gale. There's Noway he could have gotten to Jill's house that fast. Also the cop saw Jill's window open while Sidney was downstairs so Jill attacked them all and afterwards took off to Kirby's where she hide her outfit and Charlie and Robbie drove to Kirby's. If Charlie attack the 2 twos and killing Jill's mom then that would mean Robbie would be in the car outside. I say Jill killed her mom and I still don't believe Charlie did it because you have to have super speed to get from the bar to Jill's house that fast.
Charlie killed the cops, he gave Jill one of their guns saying “cops would’ve wanted you to have this”
@@ZackCherryecause she killed them and took off while Charlie disposed of the cop's car. Hence the phrase "the cops would have wanted you to have this."You said it yourself, she used him. Not forcing you to change your opinion but please think of what I'm saying and consider doing a remake of your video if your heart leads you that way. But experts take corrections too.
As I commented before but this is a shorter version of my comment, at the end of the movie Charlie mentioned about his robbie kill, then he said he killed Jenny and Marnie and kirby and Olivier even. He told who he killed. So obviously Jill killed Rebecca, the cops and maybe her mother. Don't take this video too seriously, it's only what he thinks, it's not the actual thing people
Charlie also kills the cops, he steals their guns And hands them to Jill.
Jill was in the hospital while the parking lot kill happened so unless she can teleport then your wrong.
Love these videos! You're so good at covering it all!
THANKS TO U ive won so many scream fights in the past few weeks hahaah
1. Charlie killed Marnie
2. Jill killed Jenny
3. Charlie killed Olivia (obviously)
4. Jill killed Rebecca
5. Jill attack Gale at Stabathon
6. Charlie killed Deputy Haas
7. Jill killed Deputy Perkins
8. Jill killed her momma (obviously)
9. Charlie killed Robbie
This how I see it
Agree except 5. The killer is more aggressive, more likely Charlie.
Jill definitely attack Gale cause she knew her and Gale had matching wounds.
@@supremacyattitudefiller9895 But Charlie could have told Jill about it. Jill also said she wanted to write a book with Gale together with 'matching wounds', so maybe she planned it ahead.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ That would have a random ass conversation
"OH HEY JILL I STAB GALE IN THE SHOULDER"
"YOU DID YAY I'M GONNA STAB MYSELF IN THE SHOULDER TO AFTER I REVEAL MYSELF"
like no
Supremacy Attitude Filler I mean it’s not like OG Billy and Stu didn’t have some exchanges about their plans like ‘I thought you said she was dead’, 'You get the gun and I will untie pops' and ‘Remember stay to the side don’t cut too deep’. And who knows if they haven’t communicated about other parts of their plans like how to finish off Tatum or how to attack Sidney offscreen. The same logic applies to Jill and Charlie.
There was a bit cut out of the original script where, after Kate's death, Sydney ran outside and bumped into a hanging Ghostface costume. The would be the "Ghostface" we see in the windchimes, so I personally believe that Charlie was always at the front door based on the cut scene.
Crazy. I always kinda thought Jill has a decent kill count. But this convinced me. Pretty sure she just pulled the strings. Great video man.
These are really entertaining. Good work
The fact that Jill made Charlie do all the work so she can be the lone survivor makes her an icon 👏🏽
@TGDS she killed randy
@@lunajohnson7091 ms loomis killed randy?😂
@@greekpinguu that was obviously for a different account…
@@greekpinguu are you TGDS? didn’t think so
I like how Kirby stayed on the ground floor while Sydney and Jill ran upstairs
Best youtube channel ever! 🙌🏻
Right when you said I’m going blame this on Charlie I got a ad for Charlie’s subs, you’re a wizard.