btw i was there when that happened. yep it was indeed at 8:30 eastcoast time. in one of my comments earlier. i said that i was a co-gm of the guild "Order of the Righteous", now called "Virtue Prevails" on Dalaran US. GM's name is Kornbredkhan and he is a complete sham. He stole all the guild bank money in claims of support for the guild and guild events, when in reality its obvious he just pocketed them.
in fact, when the video went live, since its about his old guild and its obvious, he told his guildies not to watch the video, because "It promoted toxicity". quite funny really.
@@zarkeven yoooo I was in the guild on Dalaran for a week. He spun this whole narrative that nazis were blackmailing him and that I should move to aegwynn with him and he would make me co gm. Fast forward to yesterday and he did the same fucking thing. He kicked everyone out of the guild once he was caught in his lies and switched the guild with millions of gold to a new server.
I [apparently] joined the new guild on the new server but there were so many red flags that I started looking into things and came across this video. It filled in so many gaps. Thanks for posting. Gquit the day before watching this and now I'm 100% glad I did.
I love the new opening it stuck me today that it is exactly how RPGs of the 90s used to start. Giveing me real dungeon keeper and might and magic nostalgia
One of the reasons I never really got into Raiding... Aside from the "robotic play" it enforces and how long it takes you to earn gear in pretty much any game (look, it's only difficult and interesting until you figure the content out. Once you have, it's just a grind that exists for no reason. Once it ceases to be fun, I just want my loot so I can stop doing the thing that's not fun), anyway. The attitude of Raiders. "We gonna schedule this every single week." "We gonna have Static Groups." "We gonna have learning stuff on the side, sometime, that we'll also schedule." "We are here to do this content as quickly as possible to get our loot for the week." "Joking and having fun? YOU CAN'T DO THAT DURING RAID PROGRESSION!" "You're in Team Whatever." "We're going to yell at you if you mess up or learn more slowly and not offer you help or advice!" All of this is the "Stop Having Fun Guys". It's just... meh. I'm not interested in dealing with sweaty antisocial idiots whose only aspirations, goals, and accomplishments are in a video game. I mean... at the end of the day... who REALLY gives a crap that you completed your Raid? Or got your drop? Epic or otherwise? Who REALLY cares? Other people in the game you play? Probably not. Not unless they're actually you're friend. Not the 4 million Randos you see on each Server. Got on the best gear? They don't give two craps. They only care that they can get the best gear so that they can pretend, like you, that other players care about them having the Raid Gear on. Oh, you got "World First"? Who cares EXCEPT players who want to compete for that? Which is to say... less than 1 half of 1% of any given player population. So, really... Why not Raid for fun? Why does it have to be a Scheduled Static with Several Teams where everyone is stressed out and has homework? What is this... freakin' High School? I'd rather have fun. I'd rather go in with randoms or newbies and do the learning together. Joking around, asking questions, explaining mechanics, and feeling the same sense of accomplishment the newbies do when it all goes off well. This year is the first year I've ever done Raids. Did them for FFXIV. Learning the mechanics of the bosses and going in blind was fun. Having players help me when I repeatedly failed was fun. When I was finally able to do them without any issue... I felt like I'd learned a new and important skill. I then pulled a few of my Guildies into a Raid with me and taught them how to do stuff while we had more randoms to fill out the team. I did another week of raiding where I was coaching some other randoms who kept dying through the Raid. But, the extremely long time it would take to farm up the Raid gear... discouraged me. So, 3 weeks of raiding in... and I was just done doing it. The content itself loses what makes it fun or interesting once you've mastered it. Then, it becomes a job that YOU pay to do. Which, I'm not in favor of. Games need a new system wherein if you've achieved a set of "mastery" for each Raid, you just get the gear you need so you can be done. None of this, "play for 7 or 11 or 20 weeks on this Raid, until next expansion". None of this, "pay us to work this new job you have" crap.
Man, seeing the name Deathstroke being mentioned over and over reminds me of when Ghost used to be here. Hell, in one of the Drama Times, Preach even gave Ghost a gift of a Deathstroke action figure, since he'd just come back from a vacation.
Do they not have time zones in the UK? I know they are a bunch of pompous snobs who had to have the center of.the world literally on them so it might work different there, but there's a 3 hour difference between US east and US west.
Lol in BWL my entire guild was telling jokes and laughing in discord, and one guy said “hey clear until we finish explaining please” and everyone shut up. This happened several times. everyone was happy. Eventually wiped on Nefarian, but still a silly, feel-good, fun time.
i was co-gm of the guild for a good year and a half. let me tell you, once i realized the bullshit he was puling, i got kicked for "inactivity" (i was on almost every single day at this time)
I know the real guild's name. I was indeed a co-gm and I know exactly who this was. The guild's name is "Order of the Righteous", now called "Virtue Prevails".
Jan Šebek Because, quite frankly, OotR and Virtue Prevails were guilds ran by a cuckold who destroyed our server’s community. They deserve to be ousted.
He pulled this shit again yesterday. He switched the guild to aegwynn and renamed the guild “Postive Vibes”. He just kicked everyone out of the guild and took off with all the gold money to KT. We have records of him scamming a guild on Moonguard as well.
Well.... That speech outside Molten Core certainly reminded me of a certain individual wanting to “make ‘something’ great again”. Shame I can’t remember their face.
i was laughing at this so muchat the start, being like "oh wtf, there are other guilds like this random one i'd come across." up until the point preach bought up the website, and i realised i'm in this clans discord, and have been for not very long. when this site was posted in the announcement channels i thought it was kinda shitty that people would do that to a clan. wtffff. i will say however, if this is indeed the guild i am in,, does actually do alot of giveaways, i have been apart of a couple. they do indeed seem to donate a whole lot if not all of the items donated to the guild bank. idk. super weird thing to find out, for a guild that i have only just found recently, and am not technically apart of.
was fun listening to these stories, but kinda hard to listen to at work as it would get loud, then calm, then loud. lol. I was turning my volume up and down throughout all of this.
I was there for vanilla back in 2005. The community was great, but "drama free"? Fam, if we needed a mob drop and you refused to party it turned cut-throat as fuck. There were entire web pages dedicated to listing players who were no longer allowed to progress.
I get the "not a very good player" thing, because I'm not a very good player. My weekly raiding consists of doing Onyxia on 4 characters each week because I want the mount. I can't handle M+ higher than 5. I also mostly play drunk, and I wear the badge of Keyboard Turner with pride. I don't fully understand why everyone hates Warfronts and Island Expeditions so much, I love them, and I run them beyond the weekly cap or Quest in the case of Warfronts.
i left that guild in the story because he demoted me for "being inactive" (i was on every single day), but i called him out before he demoted me. i got that task force together to destroy the guild. would do it again if i had the opportunity.
17:35 I mean... I’m hearing all this stuff about sabotage and takeover... And I’m not really surprised when your name is Deathstroke. Kinda a funny coincidence that adds more to the story.
real name is "order of the righteous", currently "Virtue Prevails" on dalaran-us. theres a guild with the name "order of the Righteous" but they are completely uninvolved with this story.
I finally quit WoW! After the shitshow they did to the oldgod theme and the BFA lore in general I AM DONEZO. FK this game! Whooo! Wednesdays and sunday evenings are free again!
How did that first person first join the guild, become an officer, have all that drama happen and create a website with all the evidence in 12 hours? I smell a fish....
People are dellusional. WoW community was worse FAR FAR worse in Burning Crusade and onwards. P.S: Gregor sounds like Mao Zedong and China levels of message manipulation and censorship.
24:38 The Gregor in this instance is in the west coast, meaning when the author posted that at 8:30, it was only 5:30 for him.
this bothered me!!!!!
Too tough to read chat and admit that he was wrong but oh well
btw i was there when that happened. yep it was indeed at 8:30 eastcoast time. in one of my comments earlier. i said that i was a co-gm of the guild "Order of the Righteous", now called "Virtue Prevails" on Dalaran US. GM's name is Kornbredkhan and he is a complete sham. He stole all the guild bank money in claims of support for the guild and guild events, when in reality its obvious he just pocketed them.
in fact, when the video went live, since its about his old guild and its obvious, he told his guildies not to watch the video, because "It promoted toxicity". quite funny really.
@@zarkeven yoooo I was in the guild on Dalaran for a week. He spun this whole narrative that nazis were blackmailing him and that I should move to aegwynn with him and he would make me co gm. Fast forward to yesterday and he did the same fucking thing. He kicked everyone out of the guild once he was caught in his lies and switched the guild with millions of gold to a new server.
F in the chats for Preachcon
I [apparently] joined the new guild on the new server but there were so many red flags that I started looking into things and came across this video. It filled in so many gaps. Thanks for posting. Gquit the day before watching this and now I'm 100% glad I did.
dalaran us? if you are thinking about virtue prevails, then you are 100% right.
"with World 2nd Caster Preach"....11/10. This is why we watch.
These are so good to just listen while questing or with a coffee, I swear I'm addicted
Final story: leave and go join Becca's guild
becca here is no longer playing the game.
The new graphics are amazing!
Omg, thank you for directing me to Pilav. He is hilarious and has some very good things to say about crap behavior by streamers. I love it.
The new drama time intro literally makes me almost cry laughing every time.
Like some Twilight Zone Disney tale.
The best one yet is the "Molten Core Film Crew"
I fucking died laughing at that one hahaha!
Can't stop staring through Preach's chest lol
I love the new opening it stuck me today that it is exactly how RPGs of the 90s used to start. Giveing me real dungeon keeper and might and magic nostalgia
RIP 2020 Preach Con
One of the reasons I never really got into Raiding... Aside from the "robotic play" it enforces and how long it takes you to earn gear in pretty much any game (look, it's only difficult and interesting until you figure the content out. Once you have, it's just a grind that exists for no reason. Once it ceases to be fun, I just want my loot so I can stop doing the thing that's not fun), anyway. The attitude of Raiders.
"We gonna schedule this every single week."
"We gonna have Static Groups."
"We gonna have learning stuff on the side, sometime, that we'll also schedule."
"We are here to do this content as quickly as possible to get our loot for the week."
"Joking and having fun? YOU CAN'T DO THAT DURING RAID PROGRESSION!"
"You're in Team Whatever."
"We're going to yell at you if you mess up or learn more slowly and not offer you help or advice!"
All of this is the "Stop Having Fun Guys". It's just... meh. I'm not interested in dealing with sweaty antisocial idiots whose only aspirations, goals, and accomplishments are in a video game. I mean... at the end of the day... who REALLY gives a crap that you completed your Raid? Or got your drop? Epic or otherwise? Who REALLY cares? Other people in the game you play? Probably not. Not unless they're actually you're friend. Not the 4 million Randos you see on each Server. Got on the best gear? They don't give two craps. They only care that they can get the best gear so that they can pretend, like you, that other players care about them having the Raid Gear on. Oh, you got "World First"? Who cares EXCEPT players who want to compete for that? Which is to say... less than 1 half of 1% of any given player population.
So, really... Why not Raid for fun? Why does it have to be a Scheduled Static with Several Teams where everyone is stressed out and has homework? What is this... freakin' High School? I'd rather have fun. I'd rather go in with randoms or newbies and do the learning together. Joking around, asking questions, explaining mechanics, and feeling the same sense of accomplishment the newbies do when it all goes off well.
This year is the first year I've ever done Raids. Did them for FFXIV. Learning the mechanics of the bosses and going in blind was fun. Having players help me when I repeatedly failed was fun. When I was finally able to do them without any issue... I felt like I'd learned a new and important skill. I then pulled a few of my Guildies into a Raid with me and taught them how to do stuff while we had more randoms to fill out the team. I did another week of raiding where I was coaching some other randoms who kept dying through the Raid.
But, the extremely long time it would take to farm up the Raid gear... discouraged me. So, 3 weeks of raiding in... and I was just done doing it. The content itself loses what makes it fun or interesting once you've mastered it. Then, it becomes a job that YOU pay to do. Which, I'm not in favor of. Games need a new system wherein if you've achieved a set of "mastery" for each Raid, you just get the gear you need so you can be done. None of this, "play for 7 or 11 or 20 weeks on this Raid, until next expansion". None of this, "pay us to work this new job you have" crap.
Man, seeing the name Deathstroke being mentioned over and over reminds me of when Ghost used to be here. Hell, in one of the Drama Times, Preach even gave Ghost a gift of a Deathstroke action figure, since he'd just come back from a vacation.
Remember that one... Wonder what Happened to ghost
Anthony Zarfati They had a falling out over the direction of the channel. Parted ways.
Do they not have time zones in the UK? I know they are a bunch of pompous snobs who had to have the center of.the world literally on them so it might work different there, but there's a 3 hour difference between US east and US west.
"Get out of bed" lol, it's 10 am and I'm just starting to consider going to bed.
With this set, our man needs an exclamation point over his head.
he really did, when he was in the discord channel, he demanded pretty much everyone's attention. not how a guild should run.
I'm here from the future. The Chub emote 100% stayed.
I love the magicka opening theme :D
Lol in BWL my entire guild was telling jokes and laughing in discord, and one guy said “hey clear until we finish explaining please” and everyone shut up. This happened several times. everyone was happy.
Eventually wiped on Nefarian, but still a silly, feel-good, fun time.
I swear to God this exact same thing happened to me. They would ask you to caps lock the name of their guild all throughout the run.
on dalaran-us? I was a co-gm, known by my name on here.
Missed the perfect opportunity to tell the chat that there would be a non-binding referendum as to whether the chubby face would stay.
Is there a compilation of your time casting for method? I was watching the limit stream for everything but the pizza conversation
Preach you casted world first progression for EP and you don't even remember the boss order.
Damn I'm glad someone brought this up, this is the Voldemort of today's game. Hoping ur right on it going away.
So, what's the clear comms meme? And how did I miss it:'0
Look up "Tips out Raid leading" and click the first result
This is what happens when you have too much free time in your life. You get a cesspool of a guild
i was co-gm of the guild for a good year and a half. let me tell you, once i realized the bullshit he was puling, i got kicked for "inactivity" (i was on almost every single day at this time)
Preach can you reupload episode 2?
Preach doesn’t know how time zones work. Lol
830am East cost means 530am west coast. Lul
We wiped on normal wrathion for 3 hours but we are going to jump straight to mythic. To quote Tony Stark - Not a great plan.
LOL.
I did the same with talking about censorship and then leaving guild, hoping to spark some DRAMA. :D
i was the co-gm of the guild in the story. the task force did a great job getting rid of the gm. hes back with another guild tho. we should prepare :)
Is there anywhere, where one from the states could buy one of those glorious mouse mats?
Can someone explain the "Black-list" in the background to me? =) Whats the story behind that?
Fantastic! I can’t wait!!!!
I know the real guild's name. I was indeed a co-gm and I know exactly who this was. The guild's name is "Order of the Righteous", now called "Virtue Prevails".
that damn guild. was so annoying
I believe Mike is not saying guild's name on purpose with reason. Why would you post this...
Jan Šebek Because, quite frankly, OotR and Virtue Prevails were guilds ran by a cuckold who destroyed our server’s community. They deserve to be ousted.
He pulled this shit again yesterday. He switched the guild to aegwynn and renamed the guild “Postive Vibes”. He just kicked everyone out of the guild and took off with all the gold money to KT. We have records of him scamming a guild on Moonguard as well.
please more 2 hour drama times, not enough to get my fix anymore
That's my problem. Dam mouse was upside down!
Humm, flat part down? Who knew
But Preach...they said they were gong to compete for world first....not world second....MURCA!
How do you even view the ticket announcement / buy tickets?
Is it Patreons only?
Where are we supposed to send the target dummy results? is there a survey or just tweet it at you?
Fishing trip guy is the hero of the last story
Why are you raiding if you're not having fun??? 47:00
is their a chronological order someone can look at to see which to watch first
Can we buy those mouse pads? i really like em
Well....
That speech outside Molten Core certainly reminded me of a certain individual wanting to “make ‘something’ great again”.
Shame I can’t remember their face.
HELL YEAH HE'S BACKKKK
this is the most AMAZING drama fucking full website just CSI azeroth on the case new startskey and hutch lol.
When’s fresh account coming
Mike where is Ghosty and howcome we dont see him anymore ?
Gregor became corrupted by N'Zoth!
1st story sounds like a cult ALEPH.
This all was happening while We were wiping on Maut trash...
/Loled irl
Preach if it’s 8:30 am east coast then it’s 5:30 am west coast. JS 5:30 is pretty early for some but not me!!!!
I’ll have a chicken parm sub with extra cheese
White or wheat?
This kind of drama is why I dont play MMOs anymore lol. I dont need my hobbies to be more work or more drama than my real life.
Wrathion Normal needs the Progression Mindset!
Your voice for Gregor reminded me of Bane for some reason lol
Glad to see you back preach, watched the World First and the after raid interview with method.
Sounds like a guild called The Evicted
wow, imagine that, raid leader requires 440ilvl for ny'alotha normal. People seat on 450 ilvl from previous patch.
Gregor sounds like the Trump of wow
These raiders need to chill, it’s a game not a job, have fun for god sake.
i was laughing at this so muchat the start, being like "oh wtf, there are other guilds like this random one i'd come across." up until the point preach bought up the website, and i realised i'm in this clans discord, and have been for not very long. when this site was posted in the announcement channels i thought it was kinda shitty that people would do that to a clan. wtffff.
i will say however, if this is indeed the guild i am in,, does actually do alot of giveaways, i have been apart of a couple. they do indeed seem to donate a whole lot if not all of the items donated to the guild bank. idk. super weird thing to find out, for a guild that i have only just found recently, and am not technically apart of.
was fun listening to these stories, but kinda hard to listen to at work as it would get loud, then calm, then loud. lol. I was turning my volume up and down throughout all of this.
I.... Want... That mousepad!!
Sounds like my guild back in wrath of LK. /gquit
Glad you liked my story preach!
He wants people to gear up enough that they can do Heroic.... just so they can do normal mode?? lol Thats not progress, thats fucking regression.
I was there for vanilla back in 2005. The community was great, but "drama free"? Fam, if we needed a mob drop and you refused to party it turned cut-throat as fuck. There were entire web pages dedicated to listing players who were no longer allowed to progress.
I get the "not a very good player" thing, because I'm not a very good player. My weekly raiding consists of doing Onyxia on 4 characters each week because I want the mount. I can't handle M+ higher than 5. I also mostly play drunk, and I wear the badge of Keyboard Turner with pride. I don't fully understand why everyone hates Warfronts and Island Expeditions so much, I love them, and I run them beyond the weekly cap or Quest in the case of Warfronts.
Man, I know the feels with the last writer, left my guild because of bitchy passive aggressive nonsense.
i left that guild in the story because he demoted me for "being inactive" (i was on every single day), but i called him out before he demoted me. i got that task force together to destroy the guild. would do it again if i had the opportunity.
PREACHCON 2020 USA
!????!!!???
17:35
I mean...
I’m hearing all this stuff about sabotage and takeover...
And I’m not really surprised when your name is Deathstroke.
Kinda a funny coincidence that adds more to the story.
real name is "order of the righteous", currently "Virtue Prevails" on dalaran-us. theres a guild with the name "order of the Righteous" but they are completely uninvolved with this story.
Dope shirt bro!
I slept until 4 in the afternoon... sooo yea- 😪💤
I knew the "Calm down" line was coming before you even said it...that's a good way to catch a spork to the eye right there.
They couldn't clear normal? I'm not great at WoW but that one is bad
His mouse only has 2 buttons lol
I DECLARE HARDCORE!!!
You know I had to do it to em.
Hear me out im the most creative person i know, 5 mouse pads this time
So that's what casuals do in WoW.
Mythic Nzoth ain’t happening, go join Beccas guild
I miss Andy
I think 5 year is toilet paper lol
Keep the chubby bunny face!
ahh, magicka
You're so quick to come up with a snarky comment that you don't think...24:43. You do scrpit this stuff...right.
Aye
ayy what does "pog" mean?
sound spiking really fucking high when he talks loud is really annoying and only pretty recent, wtf
I finally quit WoW! After the shitshow they did to the oldgod theme and the BFA lore in general I AM DONEZO. FK this game! Whooo! Wednesdays and sunday evenings are free again!
WoW got so casual that expecting people to know their rotations and basic strategies for PvE/PvP is considerate elitism
WAZZZUPP
How did that first person first join the guild, become an officer, have all that drama happen and create a website with all the evidence in 12 hours? I smell a fish....
Kekw
People are dellusional. WoW community was worse FAR FAR worse in Burning Crusade and onwards.
P.S: Gregor sounds like Mao Zedong and China levels of message manipulation and censorship.
do you smoke?
These were fun but they don't sound real. There's just no way. Still very funny tho!