The 2022 Subaru BRZ Doesn't Need A Turbo - 2.4L Boxer Engine Explained
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- Subaru's New 2.4L Boxer Engine Is The Perfect Match For The BRZ & GT86
A combination of the Subaru BRZ & Subaru Ascent engines leads to a potent 2.4L boxer.
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Deep dive into the 2022 Subaru BRZ 2.4L Boxer engine. This is a naturally aspirated version of the 2.4L turbo coming out of the Subaru Ascent. In this video we'll look at how it stacks up versus the previous BRZ engine, discuss why it's a good decision to keep it naturally aspirated, look at the torque curve, discuss wheel torque, and look into Toyota's D-4S direct plus port injection fuel system, as well as the advantages of such system.
Subaru's Press Release:
"Running counter to the current trend of power over precision, the 2022 Subaru BRZ focuses on simplicity and fun. Designed to deliver an unmatched driving experience, the all-new BRZ features a new and more powerful 228 horsepower 2.4-liter horizontally opposed engine. Sitting low in the chassis, the Subaru BOXER’s unique design allows the BRZ to achieve a Center of Gravity (CoG) even lower than the previous BRZ and on par with exotic hyper-cars. The ultra-low CoG is critical to delivering unrivaled handling, with a low polar moment and quick reaction to driver inputs. The 2.4-liter naturally aspirated engine redlines at 7,000 RPM and delivers a 15-percent increase in torque. The 2022 BRZ will be offered in both Premium and Limited trims and is available with two transmission choices; a standard six-speed manual or an available six-speed automatic with a new Sport mode designed for more aggressive driving. The new Sport mode allows for more rapid downshifts with automatic throttle blipping and utilizes yaw sensors to hold the transmission in a lower gear during hard cornering to maximize performance.
Despite its sporting intentions, the 2022 Subaru BRZ does not sacrifice everyday comfort and practicality. The 2+2 seating and folding rear seats create a useful cargo area that has space for carrying a mountain bike, golf clubs, or even four race tires and tools for track days. Utilizing aluminum for the roof, front fenders and hood, the 2022 Subaru BRZ has an estimated curb weight of just under 2,900 lbs., delivering on its promise of accessible performance.
The BRZ’s bold new styling is as impressive as its handling prowess. The overall impression is modern, agile and powerful, with focused and functional aerodynamic details. The tidy coupe design is just over an inch longer and almost half an inch lower than its predecessor, resulting in a low and wide frontal area set off by large functional air intakes. The grille is set low and is capped by proud fender arches that allow just enough room for suspension points. A narrowed greenhouse accentuates the bold fender flares and the roofline features a subtle “double bubble” appearance, a nod to vintage racing cars.
The aggressive design flows into bold front fenders with a large side vent. The functional side vent reduces drag by ducting air from under the hood and fenders. The released air is directed to a side sill spoiler that creates downforce at speed. A small fin at the back of the rear-wheel arch also assists in airflow adding stability at speed. At the rear of the car, the large rear fenders and wider track flow into dual exhausts for a low and wide stance. This visual heft is lightened by a narrower greenhouse and rear hatch which flow into a dramatic upturned “ducktail” rear spoiler."
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We should all just be thankful that a manufacturer is still building an affordable 2-door RWD sports car...
Miata
Its not a sports car.
Sports car? Lol
@@korneliygazhula4514 wym yeah it is, just because it doesn’t go in a strait line really fast doesn’t make it not a sports car. If you stop criticizing it for something it’s not made to do, maybe you’ll see why it’s a good car
@@korneliygazhula4514 its a sports car
My comment last time wasn‘t s joke:
I met Christian von Koenigsegg and he told me to watch your videos👍🏼
Makes sense, these are the best automotive engineering videos on the net. What a lucky acquaintance though!
That's cool.
Bor han fortfarande i Sverige?
Genuinely amazing! I'd love to meet him some day. I've had a few e-mail correspondences with Koenigsegg and they've always been very supportive and helpful - something that sounds simple but is often rare to find when trying to get info out of automakers. They make some really fascinating machines!
@@EngineeringExplained I helped at a car meet in Gstaad in Switzerland, and there were many, many famous car people (Shmee, Mr Pagani...) and Christian and his wife (and some Koenigsegg engineers) were the only ones talking to us, but he did nit have too much time, and someone asked about technical stuff about the jesko transmission and he told us to watch your videos....
Who do you think taught him how to design the TFG?
One thing is clear after watching this video: The guys at Donut Media watch your videos...
For sure but that ,chubby kid is funny as shaaaaaving cream!
Donut is a bunch of hacks making content for the lowest common denominator
@@dubiousmike POP UP UPANDDOWN HEADLIGHTS pop up upanddown headlights
@@scottslaughter7181 I enjoyed James for a while. He's never been the same on camera after his heart surgery
N/A + Stick Shift. An unbeatable combo!
Turbo+ stick shift > N/A + stick shift.
@@daftpanda6533 Ah yes, complex turbos, ignoring the whole point of a stick; simplicity
@@specialopsdave I don't think they're complicated. Essentially just two fans connected by a shaft in the middle. 😁
@@daftpanda6533 at 100,000+ rpm
@@specialopsdave Ha this is true. Idk. There were many 90s turbo imports that were rather durable at stock levels, or a reasonable amount above.
Car TH-cam’s best teaching assistant is BACK at the whiteboard kiddos
I'd say he's moved up to professor, if not tenured professor by now. Gotta love that whiteboard tho.
@@redlion145 the thing is he has that earnest grad TA energy and it’s great
No matter what, it’ll be better than an EJ25.
-A WRX owner with a broken heart, and broken car
Oof. My EJ257 has been good, only mod has been the "crappy gas" version of the Cobb flash that removes the torque dip.
(Unlike the BRZ where the torque dip is maybe emissions, it's almost certainly emissions on the STi. The AFR gets super weird stock at exactly 2500 RPM).
@@evilspoons My EJ255 was stock and after babying the car for only 20K miles of ownership and regular oil changes and maintenance, it threw a bearing at 70K miles because the oil pickup broke and caused a lack of oil pressure lmaooo. I hate Subaru sometimes.
But I’ve heard a lot of similar things from tuners as well, and I see a lot of fellow Subaru owners with fluctuating AFRs in the 2000-2500 RPM range (right before boost kicks in) when not tuned. Accessports are well worth the money to get a more stable tune and to keep the engine in check.
the ej is a great motor you just have to have the money to play .....its not a good daily drivers engine
Well ya but ej goes brrrrrrrrrr
@@PolarArctica Glad to see someone else unlucky as me. My 05 legacy gt was knocked to death at 41k miles. I only owned the car the for 5k miles...😭 Never flushed away so much money that quickly.
People who turbo the 86 and BRZ give off strong amounts of Itsuki energy
It needs schlong. Also, I think superchargers are better on either of those.
@@geoffbordeaux8286
Ye give it that good low end torque
@@geoffbordeaux8286 Superchargers are not better unless you mostly want power above 5500rpms to redline. The turbos have a broader torque curve and I would know because I've been boosted reliably since July 4th 2017 with 300whp/255wtq, 12psi on 93 octane.
@@subnegro4946 Positive displacement superchargers are known for their low-end torque, big fat torque curves, and area under the torque curve. Are you perhaps thinking of a centrifugal supercharger? Also, larger turbochargers are very peaky in their torque curve not offering much low-end torque. Am I missing something?
@@todddouglass870 superchargers have there place among bigger engines like V8's or larger but the FA20 supercharged vs a FA20 turbocharged with similar power levels it favors the turbocharged variant. I understand that PD superchargers have more torque than the centrifugal crap ones but the downside is the PD superchargers are massively heavier and increases the center of gravity along with a worse F/R balance. For instance my turbo kit was 50lbs but required the removal of 26lbs of parts so it added 24lbs. An Edelbrock weighs 110-120 lbs and requires on the removal of the intake box which is 6 lbs. The car is known for balance and CoG benefits but with the turbo you can at least be as close as possible to the stock balance. Superchargers only make sense on muscle car type motors IMHO!
Me: Subaru can we have more power
Subaru: we have more power at home
Power at home: +23 hp
Its still an NA engine comes with a MT, its a nice looking car and with the right tyres it rips ass its a fun sports car not an all out racer and thats the best part about it
11% more hp isn't that bad
@@LukeDogg20 that percentage makes it even more sad
@@knightfall7534 Idk 11% is pretty respectable. Could've always gone the route of the civic si and kept the same power figure as the model from 2006.
@@thechillywinds5810 I think he's saying that 23 horsepower being 11% just goes to show how weak the BRZ is lol
Oddly enough NA engines are more unique than having a turbo these days, can’t wait to see these on sale!
+1 to this. I yawn when I see performance turbo motors anymore (ESPECIALLY LS motors). Show me something performance that is NA and I get interested
@@Matticus289 you know what... that's a really good point... no sarcasm...
Unique, I like the BRZ, but having had both, NA is never as fun to drive
While I'm a huge sucker for turbos and haven't had a NA car for a long while, it's cool to see em putting out this gem. I never got around to drive it but it looks great and it seems a really cool toy to toss around the mountains.
Turbos just seem like they've turned into the cheat code of the automotive world. Want to win? Slap a turbo on it! No argument how much fun they can be, but in the end, you're still "cheating" (I know, not a perfect analogy, but hey...). Something so much more intoxicating about raw, high revving power and the engagement and strategy between man and machine when you know you don't just have gobs of torque at your disposal at any rpm
In this episode Jason reunites with his best friend Whiteboard
Seems like he was mixing up which one was Port and Direct towards the end.
@@PaulCHa Colors seemed switched to me, unless direct is low pressure and port high pressure.
@@DaneRThomas yeah he either mixed up the colors or he mixed up what he was pointing at or he mixed up his words.
@@PaulCHa it was a test...lol
Sounds like a one piece character
This guy should design and create the PERFECT SPORTS CAR.
@bitterman co if there's big cons for each then it's not the perfect sports car.
That’s what we, engineers always do when we design stock cars. Only limitation are price and legal.
@bitterman co Here in America the kid in his Honda prelude is cop bait. Not the guy in a brand new Subaru paying for his own bills 😂
@bitterman co The Holden commodore is such a cooler car then what we have here. All we got is the Pontiac G8 😂and everyone has them hidden in their garage since Gm killed everything that is good now. Almost any 90s Japanese sports car is cop bait here because it’s usually someone and reckless driving and the cops know they can’t keep up for long😂
Miata
This is where I get my degree in car knowledge with guy like him who is passionate about cars.
I personally like that they kept it N/A, it has a more linear acceleration and are easier to keep.
I introduce you to your new best friend Mr. Bigblower
To get 200+ hp out of a production N/A 4cyl is impressive. This will be a very fun car no doubt.
@@justinturbopool9367 Toyota and Honda are doing it since 20 years with their RELIABLE 2ltr. I know they cheat with VVTI but for the 2021 standards Subaru are not doing a revolution....
Centrifugal Supercharger if you want a linear acceleration !
Also leaves you with choices in the after market for forced induction you prefer. Which was always the idea with the platform.
We need a “Save the N/A’s” T shirt now
Adding it to the list.. Save the manuals, save the fr's and save the na's. Any thin else?
@@easygoingdude9990 Save the ICE with the way we're going.
@@cccEngineer you're absolutely right my dude. Can't believe I forgot that lol
Save the sedan
@@easygoingdude9990 Save the manual handbrake.
Turbo or additional displacement? Basically, it comes down to weight and cost: the two enemies of an entry-level sports car.
Well-said, Jason.
Yes how could someone deliver a rear wheel drive sports car for $10,000 oh look a 10-year-old mustang.... With a V6 and an automatic did you see it as it blasted by you on the highway? Oh look there goes a brand new 4-cylinder mustang convertible with an automatic transmission it just passed you too.... That car retails for the same price and it comes with dual zone climate control snow setting for its traction control a better radio and it was 4,000 cheaper..... A physical impossibility according to you
@@marcuspacheco3815im pretty sure you named a much heavier new car that costs more in base model form? Unless you're trolling.
Why not just make a higher trim...?
Jason: Why torque curve?
Subaru:
Subaru: Yes
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Thanks Jason, we did learn engineering like others here 😍
Well sir, I think you've sold me on the updated BRZ...
I really like the enthusiasm! Especially the engineering explanation. Helps for the job and for the joy
I say this with true admiration and utter respect: A _real_ gear head! Thanks for explaining.
I think ppl not understand part " fun car".. doesn't need to be high speed , it just fun car to drive
More power does = more fun. There is a balance of course but that's not really a problem until you go above 300hp for the brz
I sold mine. I just seriously need more torque with a turbo. Got boring fast
Americans don't understand that concept.
If you need power to have fun, you either don't drive on the right road or you just don't like driving and cars, if for you fun is going fast in a straight line you just don't like driving.
@@tougeboi729 Guess it's the same problem as we have with motorbikes. Just that bikes are a lot cheaper to buy and keep, and a lot easier to end up as a red smear somewhere. Combine that with the idiots that think power/speed = fun, and you know where this goes.
I appreciate you doing this kind of "theory crafting" and working out the math.
Great attention to detail with catching a glimpse of the power curves and the engine break down! Great video 👍🏻
Videos like this are exactly why this channel is so damn good.
"The BRZ doesn't need a turbo" says the guy who recently supercharged his MX-5 Miata.
I also don't think the Miata needs a supercharger haha. But for those who want to do it (like myself) you can!
@@EngineeringExplained Would you consider upgrading to the 2022 brz when it comes out?
It doesn't need a turbo. I don't need a big mac either but I ate one today. If it's your car turbo it all you want. I've just remembered, how many people turbo'd the S2000? That was supposed to be a similar point of contention back in the day
@@20thcenturygamer22 the s2000 is a much better car even though it was built 20 years ago. My 2000 subaru outback has the same horsepower as a current crosstrek. Subaru literally makes their cars slower over time. Despite what most want. Damn my old 98 eagle tsi would destroy this car with boost turned up and a couple of bolt ons. On that note i would take an s2000 any day over a BRZ and turbo it. rice don't care about function.
@@Shabbe02 this car is really making me consider getting rid of my nb miata. i'll honestly probably keep it and just make brz DD and a 3rd vehicle, nb miata isn't worth selling tbh.
Put it in the crosstrek 🗣
Yes please, we just want to know what power feels like! 😭
No. No fking way.
They should make a Crosstrek STI
No cvt
@@chung729chung it would basically be a wrx wagonish kinda hatchback thing??
Put the WRX drivetrain w/ manual in the Crosstrek.
For that matter, offer a regular automatic on the Crosstrek, Outback, Forrester, & Ascent with optional auxiliary cooling for the ones who take them off road.
I think the Direct and the Port were swapped: red should be Port
Yeah, that confused me a bit
I just wanted to ask that :) Perhaps it's his way to check viewers' attention (or he just had the wrong fix in hand and didn't consider it important enough to correct it).
Hey Jason, I really appreciate your insight! Thank you so much for your work and most of all for sharing it.
This should be a series: “Why slapping a turbo on every car is not the answer”😂
It is always the answer if you're trying to make more power than stock though.
@@MrLordZenki no its not, that shows what you know. You can do alot of thing to a NA engine to get more power rather then throwing a turbo on it.
Porsche: Can you not remind us about the 718 experiment now that you get your H6s back?
@@MrLordZenki Lots of fast cars are N/A, not saying forced induction isn't good, it's just not the only way to make good power.
@@soulsnatcher5408 Mate, you're talking out your arse. You could spend $20k on an N/A engine to barely make half of what $5k whacking a turbo on will get you.
I understand all words coming out from his mouth in a language perspective , but at the same time I do NOT understand a single word out of his mouth lol
LMAO I felt this
just keep nodding you head and say I see
I wish I had found your channel when I did my engineering degree. Very informative!
Average Brz owner: "LOL car go fast."
Jason: "Well yes, but no."
Average American . "I need a turbo and automatic transmission so I can do faster pulls " . " Handling "? " " " Wot, you mean like turning and stuff". 🤷😁
nah Average brz owners either slam it or know that the right way to go fast is around a corner
@@jackd1582 Haha except American cars handle insanely well these days so that joke is pretty outdated. And they are way mpre powerful🤷♂️
@@BigfootUnibrowMan the ones that are *way* more powerful (V8s) are also a good bit more expensive. the cheaper 4cyl turbos have a different character (slower throttle response) and also i'd say are generally bigger and heavier. i'd rather have my smaller, albeit slower car that i'll probably do an E85 tune on at some point and get an additional 50whp
@@markadcock8415 An ecoboost mustang will still mop the floor with this thing on a road course or at a stop light/drag strip... and has better power to weight ratio. You're not gonna get 50hp out of a 2 liter naturally aspirated motor by switching to e85... A turbo motor, by all means though.
This would be slightly contrary to subaru's lineage, but a supercharger might be cool as an OPTION on the next BRZ. That way, you dont have turbo lag, but an overall higher power output. But I am glad they kept the naturally aspirated engine on this model
As you say, superchargers are the best of both worlds. This is ultimately what I plan to do with my '18 BRZ. It's still under warranty now though, so for the moment I wait. I save. I look at aftermarket kits. I drool a bit, then go back to work.
@@redlion145 In a sports car like this, a supercharger would be best of both worlds, but im not sure if the same could be said about others. Although its complex and unreliable, maybe twincharging is something to look into
My Vortec'd BRZ was awesome. Id recommend one to anyone.
@@d_rock_t What did you like about it? What are you thoughts on the Edelbrock, if any?
@@mresab1997 I had it on the car from 2015 to 2020. Super reliable. On e85 it made 300whp. Very linear power. Great on track. I dont have any first hand knowledge of the edlebrock but it looks like a nice unit. Probably makes more low end torque than the vortech.
The BRZ staying naturally aspirated while also getting a meaningful HP and Torque bump is extremely good news. Thank you for the in-depth look on why this was a great solution versus simply slapping a turbo on and calling it a day!
Yes 10-year-old V6 mustangs everywhere can't wait to outrun you on the street. Very meaningful.
@@marcuspacheco3815Cars are not all about street racing. Try taking a tight corner in a mustang without braking and see if the car stays in one piece. The BRZ/86 has its own strengths and weaknesses.
Excellent break down, I always enjoy your videos, even though, you're like school in the summer time.
Dude drawn power graphs haha. Love this channel. Learn so much
I can’t believe I was just convinced that a car doesn’t need more power.
You've seen the light.
Weak
But.....I mean the car does have 228 hp..... Which is indeed MORE than 200 hp.
I've always loved the brz as just a rear drive daily instead of SpORrTs CaRr. That being said, I bet a turbo option would already have been available if it didnt have Supra toes to step on.
@@gummostump4217 but imagine how dam fun this car would bee with 300+hp
As a previous BRZ owner, I'm glad t he new gen is still NA.
Hell yeah
I can imagine, be a bummer if all the new ones are way better and you were still NA
@@yeahitskimmel Not really, if I craved HP I'd have a V8 probably. Don't get me wrong fast cars are fun but I'd get way too many tickets. In my BRZ I had fun at much lower speeds which meant I had fun more often.
@@snowrang3r657 me in my old Karmann Ghia
this comment sounds broke, poor af
I love it when you get your math out on the board. I wish I had a math teach like you at school it would of been awesomely fun.
Great video and all but what I really want to know is how this new engine (FA24) compares to the old one (FA20) in terms of reliability and the physical differences between them (like if any new parts are installed or any parts are changed/improved on).
Please keep in mind that the 2017-2020 MYs had a lot of changes compared to the 2013-2016 MYs so maybe include those changes too?
I would greatly appreciate it!
Such a complete explanation, thank you
Friendship ended with "just slap a turbo on it".
Now "no replacement for displacement" is my new best friend.
It would be nice if it were a 3.0 litre boxer 6
They added like 20 horsepower. It still needs a turbo. This is trash. 300hp would be fun and it's not hard to achieve. Subaru seems like the next car company to die. s2000 engine was leaps and bounds ahead of this trash.
@@roberto125919 bro if they put a turbo on it it would be way too expensive, i mean maybe 10 grand more and it would be near the price of an sti and obviously subaru wont let that happen. If you only care about power, maybe this car is not for you. Cheers mate
Very good. Good to see a clear and well researched video. Love this car/engine
With the 1st gen torque dip, I always thought that the engineers intentionally put it there to sort of emulate VTEC for lack of a better way to put it. Or a lot of times when exciting a corner, your rpms would be at about 3500 or above. So then you just have linear torque output from that point forward
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There should be an option - the BRZ STi which has the turbo engine, bigger brakes etc.
If you are fine paying 40k+ then sure.
Brembos were a option on 17-20 ft86. They will bring that back for the track rats.
@@MyGoToUserName I’m sure someone will pay extra!
There is something like that called supra
@@dumyjobby no it is automatic transmission only
Yea u have an option to not buy it or install it yourself. Go buy a Ferrari then haha, coz u can't afford it
7:21 let's not kid ourself Jason, I would not have asked that. Lol I would have just said "🤔ok" and continued watching
Jason was the kinda kid who would prove his Math teachers wrong in highschool and teach half the class himself after the lecture. Keep it up man!
First time I've seen this guy, really enjoyed the video!
Subaru sees Jason with whiteboard.
*Subaru Engineers have entered the chat*
I wonder when these "entered the chat" jokes are gonna die out
@@ellisjackson3355 right
It's cool to me that the new BRZ's stock dyno performance is nearly identical that of a typical Stage 2 tune on the old BRZ
It's like they actually listened for once or something
That's an embarrassment! You're telling me a 19-year-old with an old Nintendo DS could have made this upgrade? Subaru engineers should throw themselves off the top of their tallest building as a response.
I love your vids, so clear how you deliver all the info! Suggestion for a future vid: Can you maybe explain a bit more in depth why the heavier powerful cars, like the Dodge Charger/Challenger Scat Pack, Camaro SS etc, have so much difficulty getting traction off the line and why some of those cars have more of a throw back in the seat then others. Maybe tie in how that can be lessened using different tire compounds/widths. Keep it going!
These types of videos are your best kind of videos
What I’m hearing is- Subaru should make an, “STi”, turbo version with maybe some carbon components and lighter materials to validate the weight of the turbo system 👀
And who is going to pay 50-60k for a brz?
@@gerardofiano4866 not you I guess? Lmao
Doubtful...
@@dominicancheif117 unfortunately :(
that's the BMW supra you're talking about
I’m beyond excited for this car to be released! Also wow that compression is high, I’m sure it will respond amazing with E85
it's definitely not as much stock hp I was hoping for. But if the same % gain (or more) can be had by running e85 on the new one, I bet it will be a hoot to drive.
E85 runs higher hp with forced induction
I tell you, I always struggled with math back in school, but I love your math skills and videos.
Looking forward to your test drive video!
I feel smarter after watching this!
Better than all my teachers I’ve ever had in my life
Can't thank you enough for making something so technical into layman's terms/easier to understand; while at the same time allowing your passion and excitement for cars to come through... Also thank you a million for avoiding being one of those turn--off, egotistical, supposedly cool, self centered, boring, musicalized lounge type of self promoting personalities. I own a 2020 BRZ tS and I'm often looking for useful, down to earth, kind of exciting information and you balance it all very well. Thanks for all the research you do and the easier to comprehend, genuine tech information you share, not just on the BRZ, but in mechanical and engineering concepts explained (by you) easier to understand.
quite excitement to see this car. Last time I used your method to calculate wheel torque and torque per pond to decide buying a BRZ. Can't wait to see the new numbers for this new model. If everything stays the same it will be a blast to drive.
I'm actually excited for this engine. I never got a BRZ/86 primarily because I felt it's underpowered and didn't wanna go the route of turbocharging it. But I'm sure this 2.4 with header, exhaust, intake and a tune may actually feel properly quick.
You will still be slower than a 10-year-old V6 mustang.... Oh boy hold on to your seat!
@@marcuspacheco3815 I daily a tuned 2015 Audi S6, I got almost 3 times the power of a GR 86, I would have bought a 86 with this power output 5 to 8 years ago, definitely not today
@@marcuspacheco3815 y’all asking for too much 😭. A GR86 is made for corners while a mustang is made for straights.
@@GetSlappedUp101 you were drunk on copioum. The BRZ/FRS/GT86 pull .95g on the skid pad the V8 mustangs pull .97-1.06g (depending on pkg) the i-4 & s197 v6s do better. So while it's true the mustang will obliterate a BRZ in a straight line it'll also trounce it in the corners. 🤦 Needs the WRX engine for the money and to get decent performance. For what they're asking for the car it's an embarrassment.
@@marcuspacheco3815 You hella good at reading the brochures. You should deadass drive and then comment about them first so you don’t look like a dumbass 🤦♂️
A Procharger would be a good option as well. Still good economy and stock-ish power at low rpm, and tons of power and fun with an N/A feel at high rpm.
Excited to see you review the car. 🤗
Really awesome episode Jason! I'll be buying the GR 86 if it's hopefully released in the UK but who knows as Subaru have already confirmed we're not getting the new BRZ :'(
When I knew the new brz is still NA, I was happy
Are you the stigs cousin?
@@yayayayya4731 one of the many cousins he had
Do you exclusively drive lorries?
@@Kingjay814 yes, 18 speed manual transmission to make fun of those pro drivers that drive a 6 speed manual
This is the engine I want in my Forester.
Well done, explaining the two approaches.
After seeing and hearing the cost vs. benefit of the two engine choices, I’m also thankful that Subaru went this route.
Might be worth stating that I’m an existing owner of a 2017 BRZ.
Definitely on my list of cars I a want. If I get the chance to get one, I'm getting one.
Fun car is all about driving dynamic not necessarily the huge power output. N/A is always more reliable than turbo engine imo
Wait a minute, since when does Subaru built reliable n/a engines?
@@Chris675R from the late 80s till the late 90s subaru N.A engines have been the go choice for small airplane engines....and remeber air plane engines need to sit at 4k RPM or 7k RPM for over 20 minutes or so
"IMO" but not in the real world. 🤡🤡
Honestly, I'm so grateful they're still producing and updating this platform. Small, affordable sports cars are never money-makers and fast becoming extinct. As long as the powertrain is responsive and fun to rev out, I think It'll be a great time. How a sports car feels when you're ripping it is more important than the numbers. My Miata taught me this over the course of driving lots of other high power vehicles.
*** the colors in the port and direct injection are flipped. Big fan of the videos. Keep up the good work!
cant wait to see it in dealership, start saving now... well explained Jason!
wait 2-4 years after release then buy it with low miles and save yourself 10k+
13.5:1. That's quite a bit higher than I was expecting.
they wanted to make sure no one turbo'd it lol
@@h1tm4n26 The clout chasers will find a way, then make videos of how the E85 lifesyle sucks, and then a 'depressed' video when they get catastrophic engine failure shortly after. Title of failure video: wE DiDnT sEe ThIs CoMiNg
@@mrburgermaster sounds spot on
Personally, a 22% bump in torque would be fantastic. That would definitely make a big difference in how fast the car "feels". Besides that we all know owners are going to be chasing that 32hp with mods that they could have had from the factory. I love small light sports cars, but I don't think you could help feeling bad when you get gapped at the lights by an 8 year old speed 3 or wrx.
First corner they are plowing into the weeds..............wrong car if you want to play gap game
GREAT EXPLANATION!!
You really thought this through, great video
Others : doing hybrid/electric motor
subaru : bore-up, more CC more power 🤣
Dodge: "oh, look, you can fit a Hellcat motor in this one too!"
@@dre04mach
Ford: Stuffs a V8 in the Raptor
Dodge: Stuffs a Hellcat in the Ram 1500
GM: _Crickets_
I think they nailed. This coming from from a 2019 gt mustang owner.
Great breakdown and simplification of topics which have the potential to get very laborious when teaching. Subscribed. One Item to note, as others have mentioned in comments, I believe the Port and Direct injectors' color coding needs to be swapped on the Intake and Cylinder locations to be accurate.
Jason is being nice with that 2020 torque dip, it use to drive me nuts in my old FR-S.
"doesn't need a turbo" doesn't mean people won't bolt one on, DUH
TBH this was my mentality. NA from the factory is good because people that want NA get it, people that want turbos can get one put in, yeah they have to pay for it but they would have had to pay more anyway and then anyone that wants to supercharge it also gets their way. Plus if they put a turbo from the factory people are either going to rip it out for a different turbo or modify it all anyway
Subaru and Toyota know aftermarket will handle forced induction. They give you the lego set, you build on it.
The only problem is if you want a factory warranty on a turbo, you're out of luck.
It's either NA with < 230 HP and a warranty, or FI pushing 300 HP and catch as catch can for quality.
@@redlion145 If this boost in power is enough for it to be as zippy as it looks, I don't want FI
@@Thefrostedslime my '18 is zippy. Just not fast. I don't think the gen 2 will improve straight line speed a hell of a lot. It might give better acceleration between 3-5k RPM though, and that would be something.
"13.5:1 compression"
Waiting to see the line of turbo bois with broken engines
Thats a lot of compresion. In turbo aplications they will need low comp pistons so will be a expensive engine to put turbo. But...really needs turbo? I think the power and torqie in the gr86 is just perfect
@@MElekiaZ I agree! I've got a set of headers in mine to smooth out the torque curve. It's so fun and linear now that I honestly cant imagine putting a turbo in it.
You're absolutely awesome man! Thanks again!
Thanks Jason for the video. It’s always cool going into engine specs. I really want to become an automotive engineer. Would you have any tips where to start or go?
20% more force is the minimum! At every other RPM than 3700 the torque is even lower (30 mph) for the 2022 BRZ, while the torque of the Ascent is mostly constant
This is why it’s hard to make a sporty NA 4-banger. Even if it gets more power, it doesn’t come on until higher in the revs while turbos make power in the low to midrange.
He's also totally ignoring that the ascent is tuned for efficiency and low-end torque, not power. The WRX STI will probably have an FA24DIT just like the Ascent, but it will probably make 350hp.
The torque delivery on the ND2 is very linear. Just slap on a supercharger and tune the car?
low weight, manual, enough power...perfect for young petrolheads
young people dont have money
@@veryrare7647Its price is not astronomical. After all, its not a porsche or mercedes... And, not all of us are poor.. you know..
From scene kid to gray fox, still the best. Man, you're a beast! Ps: I cry every time I see people complaining about the lack of turbo in a BRZ/86, thank you for this video.
It's a good thing you drew pictures
The thing is: a factory turbo engine is more easily tuned.
...and so is the price...it would probably be over $40K easily if it was Turbo. They're going to be plenty of turbo kits available for this car in the near future, so who cares.
@@buddybestoryeah u will just need to swap to lower cr pistons, and while the engine is open you mayaswell do rods, crank and bearings
@@buddybestor He literally made a whole video about it. Apparently because people care... 😂
Definitely. Reflash and turn up the boost.
@@lordoftherims436 Yep, same thing that stops people with the current gen BRZ/86. Hopefully this generation the turbo versions of the FA24 will be a viable swap, so all the crashed WRXs can become BRZ engine donors.
I'm curious to see how this new car will be hated and loved by everyone as well.
Weight is basically the same, yet more power and torque. Folks that like the first-gen BRZ will likely quite enjoy this one!
Only Audi fanboys will hate it bc they want turbo boost to understeer off the road.
@@EngineeringExplained Having the first gen BRZ with a header, tune and E85 that brought my car up to right around the 250HP mark (at the crank) the new BRZ should feel great. The setup on mine is 204 HP/ 160 TQ at the wheels. Brings the car from the factory 6.3 0-60 time to a 5.5 second time, and eliminated the torque dip. Very happy with the setup.
@@Mgoblagulkablong I’m an Audi fanboy, and I love it!! Lol yeah they understeer but I still respect the slidey cars like this one
Got mine ordered and on the way. Ordered silver just like the one shown in the beginning of this video.
Holy crap I remember seeing this video a year ago and now I have the new gr86 and its everything this guy says. When you start the car you can feel/hear the engine flipping through the fuel injection modes. I havent dynod mine but youtubers have seen 215 wheel horsepower stock meaning the engine most likely makes closer to 240 crank hp(and they downplayed numbers), making the first point comparing it to the turbod engine better. So glad I came across this again.
I am sooooo glad they upped the cc istead of going turbo. Thank you so much for that suby
As a WRX owner: The 50% throttle is a tune issue with the stock tune- any reflash fixes it and makes the throttle-accel pretty linear for the low RPM spool into fairly high boost numbers
I HATE the 50% throttle issue. But the CVT can't handle more power (like the pistons) so I'm not risking a burned up transmission (or dead motor) with a tune.
@@ittimjones Yikes dude. You should trade it in for a manual. CVT's are garbage. My mom had to have the CVT in her 2013 Nissan Pathfinder replaced twice under warranty - within 50k miles of each other. After getting the 3rd replacement, she traded up for a 2019 Armada with a true automatic.
Been watching these videos for some time now. Love the breakdown, and how well you make it not rocket science for the simple brain. Your awesome dude
Great video !
If they added a centrifugal supercharger package this thing would sell like hotcakes
Damn this had some major lightbulb moments for me
Thank you so much for all your videos! :)
Thankyou for the detailed explanation.