Any news on the Lexus IS500 touch screen that other YTers verified? Wondering if you just got a bunk build of the car that somehow didn't have the touchscreen equipped; everyone else reviewing the car (e.g smoking tire) confirmed the IS500 had it specced.
Only car companies that cheap out or tech companies that want to be car companies put all the buttons in the OS. And I say this as a software engineer. If I could design a car I’d put the coolest physical buttons I could, not make them little icons on a screen.
I agree but the customers Subaru gets have connotations with reliability. You could say Volvo is safe. Or mercedes is luxury. Subaru is reliable. They understand physical buttons make it reliable.
@@rahul38474 It's funny to see that even Ferrari cheap out. Have you seen Ferrari Roma that Doug reviewed a few months ago? The interior is new and they put touchscreens everywhere. But the point is that these screens are laggy as a 2010 smartphone. Also, with no haptic feedback you don't even know if you really touched the "button". This is distracting during the drive and can be dangerous. I don't wanna sound like a boomer who hates screens, but if they are less precise than physical buttons, why use them? It looks cool only until you want to turn climate control on when driving.
I'm Most impressed that they actually managed to release a new version of a car and NOT add 10% (or more) to the weight like every other new sports car has done over the last 20-30 years.
the aux jack is actually great for when a friend wants to play music from their phone while riding with you. it's much more convenient than trying to hook up their phone to bluetooth.
I use a newer iPod nano with a screen and bluetooth it's a creature comfort thing guess he just prefers the sounds of his moans and the engine it's a middle class car not some hyper car at SEMA
Real parking break: yes 3-dial climate control: yes Manual: yes Real info on the gauges: yes (lookin at voltage and coolant temp) Has buttons: yes Easy T.ctrl off: yes non-normal turn signal: no Has backseats: why. Insurance purposes? Just delete them, lol. Trunk space: nice! Still light: YYYEEEESSS
Yes, the back seats are for insurance purposes. It would make the car more expensive to own without them. You can easily remove them yourself. It's all about the insurance.
@@SI0AX They don't exist for insurance purposes and if you truly believe that then you need to take a closer look at how insurance companies work. Seriously, do you really think insurance looks at the Mustang GT and think "wow a V8 with 460 hp and 420 lbs-ft of torque rear wheel drive sports car which people will use to speed and drift and it costs 40k, we will need to charge a lot for insurance. WAIT! It has back seats! we need to lower our costs!" if that's how you think insurance works then you are easily fooled and easily scammed
@@ghafooryrahim2233344 # of doors heavily influences insurance cost. Sometimes they just over-simplify the "categories" to adjust insurance cost. TBH I don't know if a 2 door car with rear seats vs no rear seats actually makes a difference I think it's just # of doors.
@@SI0AX that is correct, number of doors does have an influence because statistics show that a car with 4 doors is less likely to get in a deadly crash than a car with 2 doors
It’s a Doug DeMuro tradition that he misses the best quirk for every car he reviews. He’ll talk about everything except the one thing you think is special about the car without fail.
The “Toyota D-4S Subaru Boxer” printing on the engine signifies that it’s a Subaru Boxer engine with Toyota’s D-4S fuel injection system which combines port and direct injection.
That's great to know! That also means it shouldn't have the big carbon fouling issues that most DI engines have. Toyota really came up with an brilliant idea with their multi injection.
@@johnmeza955 yeah but Toyota has been doing it since the early/mid 2000s when DI became common, they had the right idea from the beginning then other manufacturers learned and followed suit
I desperately hope cars like this continue for a while. Honestly, this will probably be collectible in 10-20 years. I have an FC RX7 and there’s nothing better than a lightweight manual sports car. Just so much fun without having to actually go to the track (or break several traffic laws)
@@iheartninja That's true I honestly don't remember making that comment it may have been directed towards another comment entirely or was just my manic self being jealous, so I deleted it.
Honestly the fact that this car is NA is great because it keeps the sticker price on this car below $30k and I think everyone has forgotten that we keep making formerly affordable sports cars unaffordable by having a constant push for more horsepower and added complexity
As a guy who does all his own work in his driveway, looking at the engine bay of a supra or 400z gives me nightmares. I’ve kept my 13 FRS up and running easily, and the new one looks to be more of the same. It’s a dead simple car. Love it. I dont have the skill to deal with those faster cars, but i also dont want a corolla.
The Base Mustang and base Camaro have significantly more horsepower, and both are even cheaper than this car, but they're bigger and heavier car. In reality, horsepower is cheap, lightweight is expensive.
I have a Supra and am thinking of trading for this. I build drift cars for fun, and I refuse to mess with the Supra because it’s so complex. I also used to have a HR 350Z drift car and I can’t imagine how impossible it will be to work on the 400Z with the same size engine bay with two turbos added on…
@@AkioWasRight The base Mustang and Camaro also don’t have their engines as ankle height where putting a turbo in would require a vast redesign of the car, a stronger frame, and a bigger differential. Besides those cars are in a different class of sports car from the BRZ. Have you noticed that there are almost no more small, compact, affordable sports cars anymore? Most of them got priced out of existence. Even a new Miata can run as high as $40k which is the BRZ’s direct competitor. The new BRZ is the perfect car for a young first time car buyer and that’s the demographic Subaru and Toyota are trying to reach with this car
The only manufacturer I've driven that actually managed to competently use that style of turn signal is Alfa. Literally a flick in the opposite direction just plain stops the signal. No guessing or trying for a sweet spot. How it should be in everything with that type of turn signal. Dunno why other brands have so much trouble with it. If Alfa Romeo can do something right, it really shouldn't be difficult for anyone else to do it lol.
1. You can open the rear seats from the trunk, there's a latch/rope like a subway train handle that you pull to open. 2. the 3 buttons for traction/track mode are there because the automatic version has a sport/ice mode. So they kept the center one empty in the manual version 3. The Subaru engineers knew exactly what they're doing not putting a turbo in it. Watch Engineering Explained's video on why the new BRZ doesn't need a turbo for its power:weight ratio (and why a turbo would kill this cars' sales). I've had my 2013 BRZ since the first year and it's hands down the best bang for the buck track car and perfect for twisties out the factory, and my daily driver. I've even car camped in it before!!! Anyone considering this new one should definitely get it. Don't buy any more SUVs!!! 😭
Came here to post exactly every point you have - thanks for saving me time! LOVE my every-day-even-winter-in-Massachusetts 2019 BRZ Series.Gray (with Perf Pack) and I'm NEVER letting it go!
To be honest I was a little disappointed with how people are asking more power from a vehicle that was an homage to the AE86, which was a car perfect for mountain/windy roads, where power isn't always needed. Just like a Miata, this one ain't for straight line fun, this vehocle is for the twisty mountain roads.
Some thoughts I have to add: Roof bubbles are not for taller drivers, they are for helmets used on track days ;) Also, every car I ever had (altough I didn’t have many) had the inside door handle work like this, maybe it’s a japanese thing. We also tried the rear seats in the old model with my friends once (all grown adults), and we could fit in, not comfortably, but this “you cannot fit anyone here” thing is way excessive, you just have to pull front seats forward a bit to give room to the ones in the back and not have all the available space just for yourself, and that’s that. Love your work, keep up!
i own the 2020 brz and got so hurt hearing him continuously hammer the old model like it was awful. it’s a fun car that’s quick and enjoyable to take corners around
In the old one 3 medium-tall adults can fit fine, though the rear passenger needs their shoes removed to squeeze feet under front seat (shoes must go in the trunk, or in a bag on the 4th seat). 6 foot is the limit for the rear head room touching the glass, and both passengers will have zero extra knee room. It's an incredible design to achieve so much with so little space. I hope those serious about vehicles have learned by now to go elsewhere for the actual facts from truly experienced drivers who understand and know how to fully use the many brilliant auto engineers' creations, combined with market-wide feedback using real world conditions.
It's crazy to me that cars like this are on the verge of extinction. Finding a simple, fun, affordable, front engine, rear drive car with a manual transmission is proving more & more difficult every year.
@@jackroutledge352 because people grow up and have families. Which probably makes uo most of the car market. Samw person that needs BRZ could get around an a bike. Plus its not a good choice for a second weekend car.
The type of people that would buy a cheaper sports car like this probably aren't able to afford more than one car, so they choose something more practical. This is perfect for someone that does want a cheaper car for the track but that's a pretty small market.
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny Yea but they're the most useless things to pick up. Like that door handle or the blank button. He always notices the things from which he can pick on manufactures. But tbf he does sometimes notice Easter eggs like these.
8:10 The center button in the middle of the console is the “sport/snow” mode button for the Automatic BRZs that they make. It’s the same in the previous generation too.
@@automation7295 because all snow ❄️ mode does is change gear shifting points ! And the reason it is not in the manual is Autos have shift points and obviously manuals don’t !! He is correct though that’s what the Auto has
I agree with you, I currently own the 1st gen BRZ and although I don’t have much experience owning many different chassis I love my car. I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. It’s light, it’s RWD, it handles like crazy and everything still feels raw and real. I hope more people take the opportunity to try out this chassis for themselves, I think it would change a lot of peoples opinion on this car.
I own a 2020 Toyota 86 GT and I love my car! I don't feel any mid-range torque dips when driving it. It has plenty of power in my opinion with just a K&N air filter.
2017+ (mid cycle refresh) with the MID gauge had oil temp as well. They realized these things overheat like fuck. They need an oil cooler stock, just to drive spiritedly for any decent length of time
The problem with BRZ was never power, it was lack of midrange Torque its exactly what made it feel slow and in practice also reduced its acceleration time a bit.
@@brosef4154 We had far more faster feeling cars with less power. We had Celicas of 6th and 7th generations that done better 0-60 times with 170 and 180 hp repsectovely oit of 6th gens 2.0 3s-ge and 1.8 2zz in 7th gen and they felt far more viceral and fast. Its from the way car builds power and torque and sensation of speed from how low you sit. It doesnt mean its bad to gove it more power now, but if they done it right 1st gen would feel much better with its fa20 unraveling power and torque more evenly and sooner in the rev range. One thing i dislike myself about fa20 is how badly it sounds compared to FB20B or older EJ20 motors. Dunno if its due to direct injection but well...
@@Kacpa2 yes, it was the switch from DI to port injection in the mid range that killed all the torque. Power can be gained in the middle of RPM range just by tuning the DI to port injection switch, and upgrading injectors. I think same still applies to this one. There's still a dip in the middle.
@@Kacpa2 fake engine noise tube and equal length headers. ej motor had unequal length headers which was also a source of unreliability by leaving one of the cylinders running hotter than the others.
The torque upgrade is a massive improvement. That, more than the HP upgrade, makes me very excited that this car finally has decent enough power to dart around in.
@@TheHidalgo99 I always thought the 150 lb-ft was too low in the original. About 200 would be about ideal for a car this size, but 185 is darn close and a huge improvement.
@@haziqhashim2618 I don't think it's supposed to be "enough". I think that when this car was first developed, they were hoping this car would be modified by the owner.
They really nailed the design here. Great car for back roads and fun driving days. Really impressed that they still offer this, given the state of cars in general.
Doug - the kind of guy that devotes a segment of his review to how much better the styling is of this generation BRZ/GR86 compared with the last generation FRS/BRZ/GR86, and then gives it the same Styling score as the last generation FRS/BRZ/GR86.
I’m just glad that there are car makers out there still putting out fun to drive, affordable sports cars with a manual transmission. Certainly a dying breed of transportation.
Nissan may have hit the nail on the head with the new Z. But price TBD will decide if it will compete. Twin turbo V6 does not sound affordable friendly. This may once again compete against itself, in the affordable sports car class.
I feel this wasn't Doug's best review. He missed the gauge cluster looking like a boxer engine. Also the blank button is for the snow feature on automatics, while the trunk actually releases from the trunk. Another fun fact is that the roof is higer so you can put a helmet on, not necessarily for tall people. A lot missed or inaccurate stuff.
@@admiralackbar4652 True. I just wish Doug made a better review of my car (that I feel is a car icon) rather than a 100k sport SUV that nobody cares about.
i usually don't watch Doug reviews, but youtube kept recommending this one so I did holy crap was this full of mistakes. The engine is based on a Subaru sure, but it has Toyota's dual-port injection system, and the tuning was done in combination. So saying it's mainly a subaru engine and discounting Toyota's contribution is kind of stupid, when that is the reason why this engine compared to the last will probably be more reliable, and also makes power more reliably, and with less of a torque dip. The double bubble "for taller people" comment just made me roll my eyes. It is so obviously for racing helmets its painful
Still slower than an s2000 so it’s not everything I want in a 2 seat lol. I don’t see anyone dethroning the s2k anytime soon. Although I do envy the cup holders
@@TheBigChad well you can actually buy a brz while good s2000s are almost unattainable for the average guy, the brz has much more space and modern off course but in terms of driving very few can come close to the s2k
@@anandpushkar7510 idk I got my 2006 ap2 with 52,000 miles for under 20k in 2018 lol. I paid just over 16k for it. Right now tho that same mileage would fetch 25k
@@TheBigChad good for you man , a deal like that would be a steal today due to skyrocketing used car prices , I was looking at a silver stock one with 27k miles for around 42k , although that one was in great shape
It is a 4 seat car. Western sized persons treat as 2 seat because they are too big trying to fit in this car which is made by a Japanese car company and initially for the Japanese sized people. Lol. You will fit just fine in mustangs and dodges though lmao.
So we just got our 2023 BRZ this weekend and finally have some seat time. I LOVE the look of the car and how it handles. Being new of course it feels like excellent build quality. With that, on the performance side I am a little underwhelmed with the Torque. Of course keeping the RPMs lower for break in, but this car has a long 1st gear and I can tell you are going to have to rev it to keep up with traffic. I couldn't imagine driving the 1st gen in town. The wife hates getting in and out of it to drive, which is a small negative. Car does feel a little cramped, but it's not terrible. I can see the point where people say buy this car for a track car. It does fine on the streets, but not sure you could live with it daily (if you are older like we are). Take the power issue with a grain of salt as this is coming from a Mustang guy that's used to higher HP/TQ cars, but I did have a 2018 Civic Si and that was a fun small car as well. Can't wait to get the engine broke in and see what it can really do. It handles corners wonderfully!
@@akaa3144 For sure in this market you cannot beat the price at all. Its not a fast stoplight to stoplight car, but wow will it handle some curves even in stock form. :)
Thanks for sharing. I've had 5-speed Mustangs for 30 years (Mustang Sally here ;), but due to issues with Ford's service/warranty (dealerships have had no service appts. or rentals for 2 years and I have an extended warranty), I'm looking at other options which is a bit depressing. I would prefer to go new again, so the 2023 BRZ Limited would totally work out money-wise as I'm paying cash. I'm used to my uncomfortable V6, but it looks nicer inside and out IMO. I'm worried about the BRZ having less power, requiring 93 octane, and having no option for leather seats. I really wish the interior looked more like a Mustang's and then maybe I would just go for it. Enjoy your new ride!
@@oceans.and.deserts If you are coming from a V6 Stang, you are going to notice some of that missing torque. Though the BRZ is going to make it up with being a lighter car. In today's world SUVs and some Sedans will try to run you over at stoplights. They see sporty car and think you are going to take off at every light. I do have to say again, taking curves in this car is phenomenal! The only other car I could compare the handling to is a Miata, BUT honestly I think the BRZ gives more driver confidence. For the price I would say its a good value in how crazy the market is. The boxer engine for sure is not the smoothest running engine and sounds terrible when it does its cold start cycle. LOL Once it gets up to temp though the engine sounds fine. We agree with you on the leather seats. Would have been better than the Suede, but the seats are not bad. I am worried about how long the seats will last from grabbing/rubbing them when getting in and out.The biggest issue is watching your foot when trying to get in and out of the car. You end up hitting the upper part of the door sill or the door itself. We put on the GR86 spoiler (black) on our white BRZ and it looks even better. :D
Exactly I think this motor is perfect and if you look at the car objectively and don't compare it to others you'll be truly satisfied with how it drives
Smaller channels picking Toyota version over BRZ mainly to get on the good side with Toyota so Toyota send them more review cars in the future. Doug is big enough so he doesn't care about that.
Honestly really glad to see they didn't go with a turbo for this. Every cheap sportscar that gets refreshed with a turbo gets too expensive, never sells, and dies as a result. Smart move here.
@@lightdp Well, I am in Japan, and the majority of people talking here are definitely not from Indonesia. I am sorry you live in a country with such high taxes, but that is not the "majority" of people who will buy this car
Interesting quirk about the digital gauge cluster: The right side is an oldschool backlit LCD display. As such, the display is limited to monochromatic output and predefined shapes for assigned areas. This means it doesn't really have the ability to change configuration. The center speedometer, and the left side of the cluster are backed by a single, modern, color (probably OLED) display panel, topped by the round metallic bezel shape with horizontal lines breaking it up into areas. If you look closely in the video, you can see the boundaries of this rectangular color screen behind the gauges. The interesting part, is that to create a consistent look across the gauges, Toyota/Subaru designed the left side gauges to match not only the shape of the LCD bars on the right, but also the monochrome color scheme. Even the center dial has this kind of appearance. Keep in mind, they could have made the left and center any combination of colors available--but it is mostly white, with a touch of red (and a tiny bit of green on the bottom left by the odometer) so that the LCD display doesn't look like a separate piece from the modern screen.
12:44 Doug, the two straps on the upper left and right is meant so that you are able to lower the seats without having to go back inside the car. Just FYI.
Actually everyone wasn’t complaining so much about “power” as they were complaining about it lacking torque especially down low in the rpm range. They increased max torque by about 20% but it also comes in at about half the rpm of the previous BRZ. HP has increased but it comes in at the same rpm as before.
You've been tricked by Subaru/Toyota marketing people. If you look at a dyno graph of the 1st gen, you'll see it had almost as much torque around 3k as its peak torque. The low end torque was never the problem, the problem was always the deep "torque dip" in the middle. The new engine still has the dip, but it's not as deep, and its lowest point is still above peak torque of the first gen. Similarly, the peak torque of the 2nd gen in the ~3500 rpm zone isn't much higher than the torque plateau around 6k.
I love this car. I don’t give a damn of power. I just love that this old school style car exists and EVERYONE should really be glad of it. Even power obsessed
No. What is “old school” about this?! Please explain how this car makes sense when you can buy a V8 Camaro or Mustang for $6k more. The only reason that this car appeals to someone is because they have some loyalty to import cars, the Toyota or Subaru brands, or they just want to be different, and don’t want to be a Mustang driver. Any objective juman that test drives this and a Mustang GT back to back would GLADLY spend the extra $6k for the same cornering and handling, and OVER DOUBLE the power and about three times the torque.
@@alphazuluz you do know there are other markets where not everyone can afford to run 6.0l V8s everyday 🙃 you Americans are spoiled with cheap petrol man
I wish they would have updated the old taillights instead of giving it new ones, they were unique and noticeably different than any other car on the road. The new model just seems a bit more generic and pinched together
I kinda adore the kissaki style rear end on this one. It’s a lot cleaner looking. However, I did think it was a civic at first. Idk why this design is appearing on other cars.
GR Yaris isn’t available in North America and the TRD Camry is a V6 Camry with a body kit and an exhaust hardly sporty same with the Avalon TRD look at dougs reviews
@@f181234 The real detail about the TRD Camry is that the V6 was only available with a more fancier leather interior. The cheap interior was only for the 4 cylinder engines. What they did was stiffer suspension, body kit and 4 cylinder interior with a V6 engine. Basically weight reduction by downgrading the interior, lol.
Don’t forget Honda is “seriously considering” putting a new S2000 into production in 2024. The sports car isn’t over, all we have to do is BUY BUY BUY!!!
I have a 2000 Toyota solara coup and it was designed very conservatively back in the day. It's aged gracefully over the last 20 years and probably has 20 years still left on its life. It's been 20 years and the tail lights aren't even faded. And the front lights are barely faded so I'm going to replace them
@@meyou3772 sure are brother. I'm debating selling mine but on the other hand it's such a nice old car to have around. It's the 2.2 liter 4 cylinder so it's a non-interference engine.last year the timing belt went and we just had it replaced. Only things that broke on it after all these years is the drivers seat forward and back stopped working. Luckily it stopped right at the perfect spot for me. Debating fixing it so if I do sell it it's not a problem for the next guy. That and the windshield washer pump recently went. Other than that I just need to change some fluids, throw on a new serpintine belt and pullies, and she'll be ready to go for another decade. So I want to keep it, but if someone offered me the right amount of money I'd say goodbye if I had too just because I'm kinda a motorcycle guy anyway.
This is really going to bake your noodle: Pay attention how Doug is very careful with his placement of hands and fingers and how slowly he takes away the hand when he’s doing up close shots of quirks and features you can never unsee that it’s like he was a professional hand model at some point, quite a nice touch indeed (pun unintentionally intended)
The devil is in the details. Doing it too fast would attract attention to the finger, which is not where you want it, you want to place attention where the finger is pointing up. Nice catch though, I didn't notice either.
He moves his finger around the same way a mouse cursor moves in professional software tutorial videos. It gets kinda dirty when he touches the gear knobs tho 🤣
I think we can all agree that the extra power is a welcome change, though. I was never a person to whine and say "oH iT nEeDs MoRe PoWeR", but the people who buy this car i'm sure will be happy for the extra power. From memory, it's an extra 18kW.
Seems like most who bought this car thought it has issues with drag, since endless body kits and large spoilers. I'm sure bolting all that plastic on just made them slower.
@@jamestorrens645 The main difference is the torque curve, the last one had a massive dip between 3-4k rpm which made the car feel slow, now its almost completely gone, combine that with the extra torque and hp its the perfect car for me
Maybe someone already commented this but, 1. The rear seats are only unlockable from the trunk so that you can store personal belongings in there and set it to only unlock with the car keys. (Pressing the trunk button locks it so you can't unlock it with the lever on the driver side) 2. The increased headspace is for people with helmets on track day. It gives that extra room for them bulky helmets - but, yes it works for taller people as well haha!
Can't quantify this at all but from the get-go the first gen felt to me like it was missing something. It had a budget look and some often mentioned drawbacks. This seems just perfect. Very cool car
I felt the same way. I considered the FRS a few times but I always felt like the FRS/BRZ wasn't truly complete. These new ones look more finished and look like they will age nicely. And I'm glad they fixed the low torque band issue from the older ones.
My twisty back country road and I are going to love this car. Being a Subaru family, we own a Outback and a Crosstrek, we've (mainly me) being calling the Subaru dealer every month waiting for this thing.
Not auto unlocking car doors with the handle is a security feature. The windows on these cars flex a lot and make it relatively straight forward to pop the door open if you can shimy the door handle. Rule of security is if a door can be easily opened from the inside, it can usually be easily opened from the outside.
maybe a E92 BMW door handle that you could easily get a coat hanger around, what object could you easily manipulate that handle with it being so ensconced in the door panel? it’s just lazy toyota parts bin specials once again
I've never been in a car where opening the handle unlocked the door when it had a that kind of toggle lock. I'm sure it's out there and I'd expect someone like Doug to know better then me but it felt really wrong to me.
I love it. The increase in both peak and usable power is a big deal, and the styling is better too. They shaved a full second off the 0-60 time in the manual model. That's a lot. This car has been tested to do 0-60 in 5.8 to 6.0 seconds, and runs mid 14's in the 1/4 mile. That's decent for $30k, and a big upgrade over the outgoing model.
The most iconic feature that is startinf to fade away (which i wish wouldn't), is the old school real parking brake. The electrical finger operated one should still allow you to drift
I don't want it to be gone for the simplicity of it and the fact that doesn't need an electric motor to work, hence depending on battery to operate, which is, in my POV, a major security flow.
Exactly, do you know how stupid I sound going "bro i need to replace the motor and sensor so my parking brake will work again" Like, IT'S JUST A CABLE MAN CMON
@@profiigate1357 A cable can snap as well, old-school parking brakes can still break. Why do people think that cables never snap? Everything can break no matter it's electronic or mechanical. So people only complain when electronics break, but never complain when mechanics breaks? Also why do people only complain about electronics in cars, but never complain about electronics in their own houses?
Based on the primary focus of most of the other controls and displays, I’mm gonna say that the Trip Reset button is that size and prominence for track-related purposes
Every time daddy Doug's hands meet together while he stands his left elbow lifts like a wing. I find it to be one of his many interesting quirks and features.
Love driving my uncles 2017 BRZ Yellow Edition. Only has 10,000 miles on it and it always gets looks/compliments. Very fun car to drive. The new BRZ looks really good and the extra power is definitely a plus. If they come out with a Yellow Edition, I would get one. Great review!
@@williebrown1974 for 2017 only 500 Subaru BRZ Series Yellow models will be sold in the U.S. Canada will get only 120 of the bright yellow coupes badged as the Inazuma Edition, which derives its name from the Japanese word for lightning.
@@tone3560 true, but the interior had the black and yellow theme with blacked out exterior emblems. Only 500 of them produced. Imo the best color edition Subaru came out with for the BRZ.
The BRZ/86 is a good driving coach because it punishes you for losing speed on corners. While the power increase is welcomed, it is still not enough to allow drivers to use the extra power as a crutch for bad technique. Well played, Toyobaru!
I appreciate that the small side panel blade behind the front wheels (that connects the side skirt and the front fender) is a standalone piece. I bet it can be removed with basic tools, and instantly give the car a more aftermarket/custom feel with wider looking fenders where a bit of the tyre shows on the side. Nice touch, and a small design detail that many people might miss at first glance. They know their audience!
This is the review I was waiting for. Sure, drag races are nice, but I'm here for an exhaustive and comprehensive review of every single superficial feature of the car. Genuinely. Thank you, Doug!
I’ve been watch Doug’s videos to go to sleep lately. It’s like sitting in the backseat of someone’s car, or watching Gordan Ramsay reruns. Mad props Doug.
Yo, Doug. You can fold the back seats down from the trunk. The fabric loops behind the seats, inside the trunk can be pulled to release the latches. This was true of the 1st gen stuff as well.
In his defence. In 2013 the twins got a score in relation to the current times and competition Now the new twins got a score in relation to the current times' competition etc.... For example 7 sec to 100 on a lamborghini countach.... Fast in 1980s Slow in 2024
I've had 2 FRSs they were both excellent. Fun to drive, great balance and handling and a huge aftermarket for parts and personalization. If I didn't have 2 children I'd be getting the new one.
Exterior leaves me a bit cold excepting the front end but I kinda like the interior - bare, functional and practical but with a certain Japanese style that really suits the car's raison d'etre. And of course it's naturally aspirated, low centre of gravity flat 4 is a unique selling point
It’s surprising to me that Doug brings up the HP numbers of this car & the last generation’s so frequently. This is obviously not a straight line car, it’s intended to be driving through a nice twisty back road, at the track. With the low point of gravity and a 7k redline is such a fun car you can toss around & not worry about wrecking it or getting into dangerous illegal speeds too quickly. Power in this car is not an issue if you drive it for it’s intended purpose. I’ve never owned this car but I would love to have one.
Also he didn't adequately describe the key upgrade on the torque side, not just peak torque but what rpm you achieve it. 185 lb ft at just 3700 rpm is a HUGE improvement over 156 lb ft all the way up at 6400 rpm
Boxer engine often has an oil leak. It costs $2000 to fix it in Japan. Some people paid $4500 for engine trouble. Subaru doesn't sell much in Japan because it takes time and money a lot after all.
Lol your comment doesnt make any sense. This car is not for comfort and less power is uncomfortable. And less power is definetly not fun. New 400z has perfect amount of power. 200hp is WAY too little.
@@kaisuhina8024 even though it only has 200ish HP, this car is light, which makes it faster than most of cars these days with the same price range. Also you don't need 400ish hp to have a gun car. My dad's love his 100 HP Nissan wagon and he said it's fun to drive.
@@Roguisher your dad probably has different definition on what ”fun” means than most car guys. I agree that you dont need ”alot” of power to have fun car but 200hp is just way too little. I drive 300hp car and i feel like i could use way more. I was driving 200hp 325i couple days back and it just felt painfully slow.
I think this is the best car of the year, for price you buy a real sports car, which can be driven everyday. it's better in every way than a previous model, even though MX5 is more fun, as a car it's much better, even on the track it will perform much better, it's more stable, has better suspension, better chasis and better aero. I love MX5 but if i had to get 1 car, probably i would go for this. I also love that ducktail spoiler.
Just imagining how it would look in blue makes me drool. Thanks for walking us around the new BRZ and as always thank you for supporting us Europeans by taking the time to display the proper units. Looking foreword for your take on the new Nissan Z.
A bunch of us first gen owners invested a bit in headers and a tune. Add e85, and it's even better. The criticism of power - and the ludicrous torque dip, which was the real problem - was pretty much addressed without the cost/complication of a turbo. So we've had this type of engine response and power for years. If you're not one of those who constantly parrots the 'power' line and couldn't drive one to save themselves, it's still a great car. This 2nd gen model addresses most of the stuff out of the box that we spent money on to fix, which is great.
The bubble is for helmets. The bubble is for helmets, Doug. You're a giant, frankly, and you have leagues of headroom. They expect you to track it. Hence the button.
I finally figured out what Doug's voice reminds me of when he's in his over excited presentation mode: Jim Parsons voiced animated feature " Home " playing a purple alien named "Oh " . The similarity is very close especially his higher pitched enunciations
He did seem very excited about this one. That’s great, I imagine after so many different ones, he really only gets going from the super weird and quirky.
Test drove this car last week. The biggest problem with the previous version, was the lack of torque in the midrange. There was a serious gap in power in the middle and it sometimes felt like I was driving my Impreza hatchback… but after I test drove this model last week… yeah, they fixed that midrange issue. The biggest thing they did to the newer vehicle was not the added HP, but the added 30+ LB-ft of Torque. No longer lacks in the mid range. This thing is an absolute pure joy to drive. You feel like a kid when you drive it and I was smiling the whole time. Yes, there better sports cars, but for 30k… You really can’t beat it in terms of pure fun to drive. Ps. I’m between buying this, Toyotas GR 86 and a used Porsche Cayman. Suggestions are welcome haha! We love Doug!
I bought a 2022 brz last month.. im at 1200 miles. The thing comes alive around 1000 miles. Get the BRZ and you wont regret it. Gr86 looks better but theres usually markups with toyota dealerships
Like the MX-5 Miata, they keep the power low to lower the price and lower monthly insurance costs, and if you track day it you can add a turbo or supercharger aftermarket. The older Scions had a factory turbo as an option, added by a dealer that did not void the factory warranty. The older Supra is known for its inline 6 strong enough to handle a lot of extra power, many hope the proposed inline 6 Mazdas are similar, not just an unreliable BMW inline 6 like some of the newest Supras.
Minor correction: You can put down the back seat with straps in the trunk. My mistake!
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Any news on the Lexus IS500 touch screen that other YTers verified? Wondering if you just got a bunk build of the car that somehow didn't have the touchscreen equipped; everyone else reviewing the car (e.g smoking tire) confirmed the IS500 had it specced.
God bless the man who left physical buttons and switches in the center console. They are way more convenient and practical than screen options.
I agree!
Only car companies that cheap out or tech companies that want to be car companies put all the buttons in the OS. And I say this as a software engineer. If I could design a car I’d put the coolest physical buttons I could, not make them little icons on a screen.
I agree but the customers Subaru gets have connotations with reliability. You could say Volvo is safe. Or mercedes is luxury. Subaru is reliable. They understand physical buttons make it reliable.
@@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST Yep! Big win for me. Nice looking car. Not practical enough for my use but still nice.
@@rahul38474 It's funny to see that even Ferrari cheap out. Have you seen Ferrari Roma that Doug reviewed a few months ago? The interior is new and they put touchscreens everywhere. But the point is that these screens are laggy as a 2010 smartphone. Also, with no haptic feedback you don't even know if you really touched the "button". This is distracting during the drive and can be dangerous. I don't wanna sound like a boomer who hates screens, but if they are less precise than physical buttons, why use them? It looks cool only until you want to turn climate control on when driving.
I'm Most impressed that they actually managed to release a new version of a car and NOT add 10% (or more) to the weight like every other new sports car has done over the last 20-30 years.
Tbh only the Japanese are the only passionate people left
I agree. This usually happens to any car, not just sports car
Except the ND Mx-5 of course!
“Must look new, must change exterior”
@@straightbusta2609 Lol I don't think you're actually paying attention or you're 15.
the aux jack is actually great for when a friend wants to play music from their phone while riding with you. it's much more convenient than trying to hook up their phone to bluetooth.
Yeah, be and my brother switch the jack when he suddenly wants to play a song and I'm using Waze in my phone and can't hand it to him.
I use a newer iPod nano with a screen and bluetooth it's a creature comfort thing
guess he just prefers the sounds of his moans and the engine it's a middle class car not some hyper car at SEMA
Almost no new phones have an aux port though.
@@georgejones5019 the rise of the dongles
@@potatonado3023 Dong-less, one might say.
Real parking break: yes
3-dial climate control: yes
Manual: yes
Real info on the gauges: yes (lookin at voltage and coolant temp)
Has buttons: yes
Easy T.ctrl off: yes
non-normal turn signal: no
Has backseats: why. Insurance purposes? Just delete them, lol.
Trunk space: nice!
Still light: YYYEEEESSS
Heck yeah to all of that. I think the first gen looks better though.
Yes, the back seats are for insurance purposes. It would make the car more expensive to own without them. You can easily remove them yourself. It's all about the insurance.
@@SI0AX They don't exist for insurance purposes and if you truly believe that then you need to take a closer look at how insurance companies work. Seriously, do you really think insurance looks at the Mustang GT and think "wow a V8 with 460 hp and 420 lbs-ft of torque rear wheel drive sports car which people will use to speed and drift and it costs 40k, we will need to charge a lot for insurance. WAIT! It has back seats! we need to lower our costs!" if that's how you think insurance works then you are easily fooled and easily scammed
@@ghafooryrahim2233344 # of doors heavily influences insurance cost. Sometimes they just over-simplify the "categories" to adjust insurance cost.
TBH I don't know if a 2 door car with rear seats vs no rear seats actually makes a difference I think it's just # of doors.
@@SI0AX that is correct, number of doors does have an influence because statistics show that a car with 4 doors is less likely to get in a deadly crash than a car with 2 doors
You missed the best quirk! The start up animation in the gauge resembles the cylinders moving in the horizontally opposed fashion!
Doug doesn’t care about that. 😂
It’s a Doug DeMuro tradition that he misses the best quirk for every car he reviews.
He’ll talk about everything except the one thing you think is special about the car without fail.
Nah the animation is only in the toyota
@@ModestMonkey really? Coulda sworn i saw it in another video
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The “Toyota D-4S Subaru Boxer” printing on the engine signifies that it’s a Subaru Boxer engine with Toyota’s D-4S fuel injection system which combines port and direct injection.
That's great to know! That also means it shouldn't have the big carbon fouling issues that most DI engines have. Toyota really came up with an brilliant idea with their multi injection.
Yeah, I was surprised Doug didn’t point that out. Maybe it got cut in editing?
@@ZachAlanPhotography plenty of manufacturers use multi injection fuel systems...
@Kan Jo No one asked you, spammer
@@johnmeza955 yeah but Toyota has been doing it since the early/mid 2000s when DI became common, they had the right idea from the beginning then other manufacturers learned and followed suit
I desperately hope cars like this continue for a while. Honestly, this will probably be collectible in 10-20 years. I have an FC RX7 and there’s nothing better than a lightweight manual sports car. Just so much fun without having to actually go to the track (or break several traffic laws)
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Lucky guy, my uncle got to work on one, and he was talking about it months later 😂
@@bmar740 What's there to lie about? It's not like an FC is a super expensive or unobtainable car. It's not an FD.
@@iheartninja That's true I honestly don't remember making that comment it may have been directed towards another comment entirely or was just my manic self being jealous, so I deleted it.
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Honestly the fact that this car is NA is great because it keeps the sticker price on this car below $30k and I think everyone has forgotten that we keep making formerly affordable sports cars unaffordable by having a constant push for more horsepower and added complexity
As a guy who does all his own work in his driveway, looking at the engine bay of a supra or 400z gives me nightmares. I’ve kept my 13 FRS up and running easily, and the new one looks to be more of the same. It’s a dead simple car. Love it.
I dont have the skill to deal with those faster cars, but i also dont want a corolla.
The Base Mustang and base Camaro have significantly more horsepower, and both are even cheaper than this car, but they're bigger and heavier car.
In reality, horsepower is cheap, lightweight is expensive.
I have a Supra and am thinking of trading for this. I build drift cars for fun, and I refuse to mess with the Supra because it’s so complex. I also used to have a HR 350Z drift car and I can’t imagine how impossible it will be to work on the 400Z with the same size engine bay with two turbos added on…
I like that it's N/A as well, but not for the same reasons. Simply, I like the power delivery of a N/A engine.
@@AkioWasRight The base Mustang and Camaro also don’t have their engines as ankle height where putting a turbo in would require a vast redesign of the car, a stronger frame, and a bigger differential. Besides those cars are in a different class of sports car from the BRZ. Have you noticed that there are almost no more small, compact, affordable sports cars anymore? Most of them got priced out of existence. Even a new Miata can run as high as $40k which is the BRZ’s direct competitor. The new BRZ is the perfect car for a young first time car buyer and that’s the demographic Subaru and Toyota are trying to reach with this car
The only manufacturer I've driven that actually managed to competently use that style of turn signal is Alfa. Literally a flick in the opposite direction just plain stops the signal. No guessing or trying for a sweet spot. How it should be in everything with that type of turn signal. Dunno why other brands have so much trouble with it.
If Alfa Romeo can do something right, it really shouldn't be difficult for anyone else to do it lol.
bmw's version was fine, click once to turn on, click again to stop, you figure it out in 10 seconds.
@@Krappyappy bmw has turn signals????
@@marcosneto9412 I think they're an extremely pricey option no one adds.
@@stevencamp1 woosh
Tesla's is fine too.
1. You can open the rear seats from the trunk, there's a latch/rope like a subway train handle that you pull to open.
2. the 3 buttons for traction/track mode are there because the automatic version has a sport/ice mode. So they kept the center one empty in the manual version
3. The Subaru engineers knew exactly what they're doing not putting a turbo in it. Watch Engineering Explained's video on why the new BRZ doesn't need a turbo for its power:weight ratio (and why a turbo would kill this cars' sales).
I've had my 2013 BRZ since the first year and it's hands down the best bang for the buck track car and perfect for twisties out the factory, and my daily driver. I've even car camped in it before!!!
Anyone considering this new one should definitely get it. Don't buy any more SUVs!!! 😭
Amen brother! No more SUVs
How was it like to car camp in that little Subaru of yours 😅
Came here to post exactly every point you have - thanks for saving me time! LOVE my every-day-even-winter-in-Massachusetts 2019 BRZ Series.Gray (with Perf Pack) and I'm NEVER letting it go!
man i got your concern loud and clear :(
To be honest I was a little disappointed with how people are asking more power from a vehicle that was an homage to the AE86, which was a car perfect for mountain/windy roads, where power isn't always needed.
Just like a Miata, this one ain't for straight line fun, this vehocle is for the twisty mountain roads.
Some thoughts I have to add: Roof bubbles are not for taller drivers, they are for helmets used on track days ;) Also, every car I ever had (altough I didn’t have many) had the inside door handle work like this, maybe it’s a japanese thing. We also tried the rear seats in the old model with my friends once (all grown adults), and we could fit in, not comfortably, but this “you cannot fit anyone here” thing is way excessive, you just have to pull front seats forward a bit to give room to the ones in the back and not have all the available space just for yourself, and that’s that. Love your work, keep up!
i own the 2020 brz and got so hurt hearing him continuously hammer the old model like it was awful. it’s a fun car that’s quick and enjoyable to take corners around
@@evanduplessis9911 Yes, that was exactly the point while making this car, they never ment to make it strong, rather enjoyable to drive.
Roof bubbles can serve two functions.
In the old one 3 medium-tall adults can fit fine, though the rear passenger needs their shoes removed to squeeze feet under front seat (shoes must go in the trunk, or in a bag on the 4th seat). 6 foot is the limit for the rear head room touching the glass, and both passengers will have zero extra knee room. It's an incredible design to achieve so much with so little space. I hope those serious about vehicles have learned by now to go elsewhere for the actual facts from truly experienced drivers who understand and know how to fully use the many brilliant auto engineers' creations, combined with market-wide feedback using real world conditions.
No, it's not a Japanese thing (the handle). My 2017 Honda Civic doesn't do this.
It's crazy to me that cars like this are on the verge of extinction. Finding a simple, fun, affordable, front engine, rear drive car with a manual transmission is proving more & more difficult every year.
I know right? How has this become such a small niche?
@@jackroutledge352 because people grow up and have families. Which probably makes uo most of the car market. Samw person that needs BRZ could get around an a bike.
Plus its not a good choice for a second weekend car.
The type of people that would buy a cheaper sports car like this probably aren't able to afford more than one car, so they choose something more practical. This is perfect for someone that does want a cheaper car for the track but that's a pretty small market.
Affordable until you spin a rod
@@dazza818 Why it is not a good choice for second weekend car?
Can’t believe Doug didn’t mention that the gauge cluster looks like boxer cylinders
Great catch!! Simply he doesn't know. He's not that educated on the things that matter the most, detail.
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny didn't notice the most obvious....
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny he is literally known to make the dumbest statements and mistakes now...he doesnt do details properly.
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny Yea but they're the most useless things to pick up. Like that door handle or the blank button. He always notices the things from which he can pick on manufactures. But tbf he does sometimes notice Easter eggs like these.
@@jongordon7914 true! Just not this detail.
8:10 The center button in the middle of the console is the “sport/snow” mode button for the Automatic BRZs that they make. It’s the same in the previous generation too.
He forgot something simple as usual. This channel is nothing but entertainment with a smidge of educational value
Why would “sport/snow” mode button only be for the automatic BRZ? They could easily put "sports/snow" mode on the manual BRZ as well.
He leaves alot of things like this out on his videos, the research has been lacking alot lately it seems.
@@automation7295 that mode changes transmission behavior which doesn't apply to a manual
@@automation7295 because all snow ❄️ mode does is change gear shifting points ! And the reason it is not in the manual is Autos have shift points and obviously manuals don’t !! He is correct though that’s what the Auto has
I agree with you, I currently own the 1st gen BRZ and although I don’t have much experience owning many different chassis I love my car. I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. It’s light, it’s RWD, it handles like crazy and everything still feels raw and real. I hope more people take the opportunity to try out this chassis for themselves, I think it would change a lot of peoples opinion on this car.
I own a 2020 Toyota 86 GT and I love my car! I don't feel any mid-range torque dips when driving it. It has plenty of power in my opinion with just a K&N air filter.
This redesign is much better than whatever Subaru did (or failed to do) with the WRX.
What’s wrong with the WRX?
@@santaslayer1013 nothing, maybe the rear bumper but the aftermarket goin go crazy. People said the same about the 2015 wrx when it came out
@@santaslayer1013 everything. except the engine maybe
@@santaslayer1013 The new WRX is very ugly if you haven't seen it.
It's because it's Toyota's car, Subaru just build it for them. Subaru are incapable of designing something this good
That built in oil temp gauge on the dash is so rad. They knew EXACTLY who's going to buy this car and what they're going to use it for lol
Copied from the Nissan 370Z
John Davis from Motorweek used to complain about the lack of the volt meter, oil pressure gauge, and oil temperature gauge back in the 1980s.
I dont think thats really impressive for todays standards
Dutch Bros baristas? Lol
2017+ (mid cycle refresh) with the MID gauge had oil temp as well. They realized these things overheat like fuck. They need an oil cooler stock, just to drive spiritedly for any decent length of time
The problem with BRZ was never power, it was lack of midrange Torque its exactly what made it feel slow and in practice also reduced its acceleration time a bit.
I always thought it was crazy to not give these cars around 230 HP.
@@brosef4154 We had far more faster feeling cars with less power. We had Celicas of 6th and 7th generations that done better 0-60 times with 170 and 180 hp repsectovely oit of 6th gens 2.0 3s-ge and 1.8 2zz in 7th gen and they felt far more viceral and fast. Its from the way car builds power and torque and sensation of speed from how low you sit.
It doesnt mean its bad to gove it more power now, but if they done it right 1st gen would feel much better with its fa20 unraveling power and torque more evenly and sooner in the rev range.
One thing i dislike myself about fa20 is how badly it sounds compared to FB20B or older EJ20 motors. Dunno if its due to direct injection but well...
@@Kacpa2 yes, it was the switch from DI to port injection in the mid range that killed all the torque. Power can be gained in the middle of RPM range just by tuning the DI to port injection switch, and upgrading injectors. I think same still applies to this one. There's still a dip in the middle.
@@Kacpa2 fake engine noise tube and equal length headers. ej motor had unequal length headers which was also a source of unreliability by leaving one of the cylinders running hotter than the others.
@@no1washerezz EJ20 naturallyaspirated motors were equal length too, FB20B too but it has port fuel inhection still
for those curious:
The middle 'blank' button below the shifter is for Sport/Snow toggle in the Automatic trans. cars.
The torque upgrade is a massive improvement. That, more than the HP upgrade, makes me very excited that this car finally has decent enough power to dart around in.
What a coincidence that Doug said the exact same thing.
Brace for people saying 228hp is still not enough
@@TheHidalgo99 I always thought the 150 lb-ft was too low in the original. About 200 would be about ideal for a car this size, but 185 is darn close and a huge improvement.
@@haziqhashim2618 I don't think it's supposed to be "enough". I think that when this car was first developed, they were hoping this car would be modified by the owner.
Stfu tune, e85 and headers make this thing go for cheap
They really nailed the design here. Great car for back roads and fun driving days. Really impressed that they still offer this, given the state of cars in general.
Doug - the kind of guy that devotes a segment of his review to how much better the styling is of this generation BRZ/GR86 compared with the last generation FRS/BRZ/GR86, and then gives it the same Styling score as the last generation FRS/BRZ/GR86.
LMAO XD XD XD
Doug will be Doug, trippy
I think the score is in relation to its current time and competitors
Otherwise cars would be hitting 10 too easily
Doug really do be living his life in fast forward with his rapid movements.
His body language is nauseating
@@BrewsAndBraaps My thoughts exactly!
How do you say.............ah that's it!
A pain in the arse!
Other than that, not bad,
My score 5/10!🙂
The "double-bubble" roof is also to make room to wear a helmet when taking it on track.
Good point!
Doug: **assigns Doug score to car**
also Doug: "WOW LOOK AT THIS CAR'S SCORE"
Also Doug (to literally any production car) : *Value : 7*
I never watch the doug score section xD
Even though the DougScore seems ridiculous, I still watch it
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I’m just glad that there are car makers out there still putting out fun to drive, affordable sports cars with a manual transmission. Certainly a dying breed of transportation.
enjoy it while you can- mtm's are going away rapidly.
EVs will kill that, they will kill all the fun with cars
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Nissan may have hit the nail on the head with the new Z. But price TBD will decide if it will compete. Twin turbo V6 does not sound affordable friendly. This may once again compete against itself, in the affordable sports car class.
The Z is ment to compete withe the Porsche cayman and Toyota Supra
those who cry about performance weren't actually going to get the car anyways, just kids on the internet who think big number better car
I literally drove a friends BRZ and it was slower than your mom in bed last night
I feel this wasn't Doug's best review. He missed the gauge cluster looking like a boxer engine. Also the blank button is for the snow feature on automatics, while the trunk actually releases from the trunk. Another fun fact is that the roof is higer so you can put a helmet on, not necessarily for tall people. A lot missed or inaccurate stuff.
Yep, it was a bit of a lazy review.
And the fact he's 6'4 makes it worse
@@admiralackbar4652 that’s fair. I just don’t think it’s up the usual Doug standard.
@@admiralackbar4652 True. I just wish Doug made a better review of my car (that I feel is a car icon) rather than a 100k sport SUV that nobody cares about.
i usually don't watch Doug reviews, but youtube kept recommending this one so I did
holy crap was this full of mistakes. The engine is based on a Subaru sure, but it has Toyota's dual-port injection system, and the tuning was done in combination. So saying it's mainly a subaru engine and discounting Toyota's contribution is kind of stupid, when that is the reason why this engine compared to the last will probably be more reliable, and also makes power more reliably, and with less of a torque dip.
The double bubble "for taller people" comment just made me roll my eyes. It is so obviously for racing helmets its painful
I absolutely love the design of this car. Nothing fancy or over-designed. Just a clean sporty look 👌
rear looks like a civic now
I love how well-balanced this car is. It gives everyone everything they want in a 2 seat sport compact.
Still slower than an s2000 so it’s not everything I want in a 2 seat lol. I don’t see anyone dethroning the s2k anytime soon. Although I do envy the cup holders
@@TheBigChad well you can actually buy a brz while good s2000s are almost unattainable for the average guy, the brz has much more space and modern off course but in terms of driving very few can come close to the s2k
@@anandpushkar7510 idk I got my 2006 ap2 with 52,000 miles for under 20k in 2018 lol. I paid just over 16k for it. Right now tho that same mileage would fetch 25k
@@TheBigChad good for you man , a deal like that would be a steal today due to skyrocketing used car prices , I was looking at a silver stock one with 27k miles for around 42k , although that one was in great shape
It is a 4 seat car. Western sized persons treat as 2 seat because they are too big trying to fit in this car which is made by a Japanese car company and initially for the Japanese sized people.
Lol. You will fit just fine in mustangs and dodges though lmao.
So we just got our 2023 BRZ this weekend and finally have some seat time. I LOVE the look of the car and how it handles. Being new of course it feels like excellent build quality. With that, on the performance side I am a little underwhelmed with the Torque. Of course keeping the RPMs lower for break in, but this car has a long 1st gear and I can tell you are going to have to rev it to keep up with traffic. I couldn't imagine driving the 1st gen in town. The wife hates getting in and out of it to drive, which is a small negative. Car does feel a little cramped, but it's not terrible. I can see the point where people say buy this car for a track car. It does fine on the streets, but not sure you could live with it daily (if you are older like we are). Take the power issue with a grain of salt as this is coming from a Mustang guy that's used to higher HP/TQ cars, but I did have a 2018 Civic Si and that was a fun small car as well. Can't wait to get the engine broke in and see what it can really do. It handles corners wonderfully!
Very High chance that I'm getting this for my first car! For what it offers, 28k is super reasonable price!
@@akaa3144 For sure in this market you cannot beat the price at all. Its not a fast stoplight to stoplight car, but wow will it handle some curves even in stock form. :)
Ik, 28k for 228 hp, 2.4 Litter, amazing!
Thanks for sharing. I've had 5-speed Mustangs for 30 years (Mustang Sally here ;), but due to issues with Ford's service/warranty (dealerships have had no service appts. or rentals for 2 years and I have an extended warranty), I'm looking at other options which is a bit depressing. I would prefer to go new again, so the 2023 BRZ Limited would totally work out money-wise as I'm paying cash. I'm used to my uncomfortable V6, but it looks nicer inside and out IMO. I'm worried about the BRZ having less power, requiring 93 octane, and having no option for leather seats. I really wish the interior looked more like a Mustang's and then maybe I would just go for it. Enjoy your new ride!
@@oceans.and.deserts If you are coming from a V6 Stang, you are going to notice some of that missing torque. Though the BRZ is going to make it up with being a lighter car. In today's world SUVs and some Sedans will try to run you over at stoplights. They see sporty car and think you are going to take off at every light. I do have to say again, taking curves in this car is phenomenal! The only other car I could compare the handling to is a Miata, BUT honestly I think the BRZ gives more driver confidence. For the price I would say its a good value in how crazy the market is. The boxer engine for sure is not the smoothest running engine and sounds terrible when it does its cold start cycle. LOL Once it gets up to temp though the engine sounds fine. We agree with you on the leather seats. Would have been better than the Suede, but the seats are not bad. I am worried about how long the seats will last from grabbing/rubbing them when getting in and out.The biggest issue is watching your foot when trying to get in and out of the car. You end up hitting the upper part of the door sill or the door itself. We put on the GR86 spoiler (black) on our white BRZ and it looks even better. :D
It's actually awesome that they didn't throw a turbo on it. Revvy N/A boxer at 7.5k redline is much more engaging and driver focused.
Exactly I think this motor is perfect and if you look at the car objectively and don't compare it to others you'll be truly satisfied with how it drives
I’ll be throwing a turbo in it when I receive mine lol
@@iamtheone2292 u know u need more than just a turbo right?
@@takumifujiwara2083 no shit
May wanna try a GT350.. V8 8250rpm magneride
Everyone reviewing the 86, and here’s doug with BR-Zed
Yeah, already a ton of 86 reviews
Smaller channels picking Toyota version over BRZ mainly to get on the good side with Toyota so Toyota send them more review cars in the future. Doug is big enough so he doesn't care about that.
@Capsized Cloud hahaha have fun fixing the head gaskets
My 4Runner will smoke this any day
@Capsized Cloud lmao you can’t be serious, Subaru is the worst Japanese automaker, worse than Nissan.
@Capsized Cloud i thing the joke was that even an suv would smoke that sports car, at least on a straight
Honestly really glad to see they didn't go with a turbo for this. Every cheap sportscar that gets refreshed with a turbo gets too expensive, never sells, and dies as a result. Smart move here.
Same! I personally love an NA motor
Nissan Z - twin turbo V6, and not going to be expensive
@@lightdp New Nissan Z will be $35,000 usd. How is that 3 times the cost?
@@lightdp Well, I am in Japan, and the majority of people talking here are definitely not from Indonesia. I am sorry you live in a country with such high taxes, but that is not the "majority" of people who will buy this car
@@sonicsabbath I know, just giving you some other perspective.
Interesting quirk about the digital gauge cluster: The right side is an oldschool backlit LCD display. As such, the display is limited to monochromatic output and predefined shapes for assigned areas. This means it doesn't really have the ability to change configuration. The center speedometer, and the left side of the cluster are backed by a single, modern, color (probably OLED) display panel, topped by the round metallic bezel shape with horizontal lines breaking it up into areas. If you look closely in the video, you can see the boundaries of this rectangular color screen behind the gauges. The interesting part, is that to create a consistent look across the gauges, Toyota/Subaru designed the left side gauges to match not only the shape of the LCD bars on the right, but also the monochrome color scheme. Even the center dial has this kind of appearance. Keep in mind, they could have made the left and center any combination of colors available--but it is mostly white, with a touch of red (and a tiny bit of green on the bottom left by the odometer) so that the LCD display doesn't look like a separate piece from the modern screen.
12:44 Doug, the two straps on the upper left and right is meant so that you are able to lower the seats without having to go back inside the car. Just FYI.
Give him a Break! He only had a few minutes to review the onscreen brochure!🧐
Actually everyone wasn’t complaining so much about “power” as they were complaining about it lacking torque especially down low in the rpm range. They increased max torque by about 20% but it also comes in at about half the rpm of the previous BRZ. HP has increased but it comes in at the same rpm as before.
You've been tricked by Subaru/Toyota marketing people.
If you look at a dyno graph of the 1st gen, you'll see it had almost as much torque around 3k as its peak torque.
The low end torque was never the problem, the problem was always the deep "torque dip" in the middle.
The new engine still has the dip, but it's not as deep, and its lowest point is still above peak torque of the first gen.
Similarly, the peak torque of the 2nd gen in the ~3500 rpm zone isn't much higher than the torque plateau around 6k.
I love this car. I don’t give a damn of power. I just love that this old school style car exists and EVERYONE should really be glad of it. Even power obsessed
No. What is “old school” about this?! Please explain how this car makes sense when you can buy a V8 Camaro or Mustang for $6k more. The only reason that this car appeals to someone is because they have some loyalty to import cars, the Toyota or Subaru brands, or they just want to be different, and don’t want to be a Mustang driver. Any objective juman that test drives this and a Mustang GT back to back would GLADLY spend the extra $6k for the same cornering and handling, and OVER DOUBLE the power and about three times the torque.
@@alphazuluz you do know there are other markets where not everyone can afford to run 6.0l V8s everyday 🙃 you Americans are spoiled with cheap petrol man
@@alphazuluz lol
@@alphazuluz v8 fanboy more power, less brain
@@alphazuluz Not everyone wants a Camaro or Mustang. They're penis cars, nothing more.
I wish they would have updated the old taillights instead of giving it new ones, they were unique and noticeably different than any other car on the road. The new model just seems a bit more generic and pinched together
Looks like a 9th gen Honda Civic lol.
exactly, that rear end looks like a Genesis and like a butt from the side
Yep
I kinda adore the kissaki style rear end on this one. It’s a lot cleaner looking. However, I did think it was a civic at first. Idk why this design is appearing on other cars.
Looks like a goddamn Opel Astra
I like that Toyota is making a faster 86, a TRD Camry and Yaris GR. Fun lineup of sport-infused vehicles
hell yeah
GR Yaris isn’t available in North America and the TRD Camry is a V6 Camry with a body kit and an exhaust hardly sporty same with the Avalon TRD look at dougs reviews
Toyota has no soul or character anymore and their designs suck. Long gone are the days of the MR2, Supra, Celica, IS300 and SC300/400
@@f181234 The real detail about the TRD Camry is that the V6 was only available with a more fancier leather interior. The cheap interior was only for the 4 cylinder engines. What they did was stiffer suspension, body kit and 4 cylinder interior with a V6 engine. Basically weight reduction by downgrading the interior, lol.
I love there is still manufacturers willing to invest in sporty coupes! They look so good, I really hope it's a success for Toyota & Subaru
They just have to team up now to share the costs. Such as Toyobaru here, the Toyota/BMW Supra, and the recent Mazda/Fiat Miata/124
Don’t forget Honda is “seriously considering” putting a new S2000 into production in 2024. The sports car isn’t over, all we have to do is BUY BUY BUY!!!
love the reserved styling. These are going to age really gracefully, even moreso than the outgoing model.
It looks like a mini Lexus RC
@@notmarcel2175 right! I was looking for this comment to make sure I wasn't the only one
I have a 2000 Toyota solara coup and it was designed very conservatively back in the day. It's aged gracefully over the last 20 years and probably has 20 years still left on its life. It's been 20 years and the tail lights aren't even faded. And the front lights are barely faded so I'm going to replace them
@@TheAnnoyingBoss those cars are bulletproof
@@meyou3772 sure are brother. I'm debating selling mine but on the other hand it's such a nice old car to have around. It's the 2.2 liter 4 cylinder so it's a non-interference engine.last year the timing belt went and we just had it replaced. Only things that broke on it after all these years is the drivers seat forward and back stopped working. Luckily it stopped right at the perfect spot for me. Debating fixing it so if I do sell it it's not a problem for the next guy. That and the windshield washer pump recently went. Other than that I just need to change some fluids, throw on a new serpintine belt and pullies, and she'll be ready to go for another decade. So I want to keep it, but if someone offered me the right amount of money I'd say goodbye if I had too just because I'm kinda a motorcycle guy anyway.
The headroom isn't actually for taller drivers. It's for helmets when you take the car to the track. Performance driving in mind
This is really going to bake your noodle: Pay attention how Doug is very careful with his placement of hands and fingers and how slowly he takes away the hand when he’s doing up close shots of quirks and features you can never unsee that it’s like he was a professional hand model at some point, quite a nice touch indeed (pun unintentionally intended)
Wtf? Bro your totally right, why is he so careful 😂
@@tannermorgan9796 right, graceful luxurious moves 💪
Yes I've seen him do that in previous videos too. It's just something that he does
The devil is in the details. Doing it too fast would attract attention to the finger, which is not where you want it, you want to place attention where the finger is pointing up. Nice catch though, I didn't notice either.
He moves his finger around the same way a mouse cursor moves in professional software tutorial videos. It gets kinda dirty when he touches the gear knobs tho 🤣
These cars didn’t need much of a change. More like some tweaks, and it looks like this is that. I can’t wait to trade my 86 in for the new Toyota.
I think we can all agree that the extra power is a welcome change, though. I was never a person to whine and say "oH iT nEeDs MoRe PoWeR", but the people who buy this car i'm sure will be happy for the extra power. From memory, it's an extra 18kW.
Seems like most who bought this car thought it has issues with drag, since endless body kits and large spoilers. I'm sure bolting all that plastic on just made them slower.
The motor in the previous gen sounded like shit and was gutless.
@@jamestorrens645 The main difference is the torque curve, the last one had a massive dip between 3-4k rpm which made the car feel slow, now its almost completely gone, combine that with the extra torque and hp its the perfect car for me
@@Smellslikegelfling I bet you don't like people who still own the previous gen.
Maybe someone already commented this but,
1. The rear seats are only unlockable from the trunk so that you can store personal belongings in there and set it to only unlock with the car keys.
(Pressing the trunk button locks it so you can't unlock it with the lever on the driver side)
2. The increased headspace is for people with helmets on track day. It gives that extra room for them bulky helmets - but, yes it works for taller people as well haha!
Can't quantify this at all but from the get-go the first gen felt to me like it was missing something. It had a budget look and some often mentioned drawbacks. This seems just perfect. Very cool car
I felt the same way. I considered the FRS a few times but I always felt like the FRS/BRZ wasn't truly complete. These new ones look more finished and look like they will age nicely. And I'm glad they fixed the low torque band issue from the older ones.
My twisty back country road and I are going to love this car. Being a Subaru family, we own a Outback and a Crosstrek, we've (mainly me) being calling the Subaru dealer every month waiting for this thing.
Not auto unlocking car doors with the handle is a security feature. The windows on these cars flex a lot and make it relatively straight forward to pop the door open if you can shimy the door handle. Rule of security is if a door can be easily opened from the inside, it can usually be easily opened from the outside.
maybe a E92 BMW door handle that you could easily get a coat hanger around, what object could you easily manipulate that handle with it being so ensconced in the door panel? it’s just lazy toyota parts bin specials once again
I've never been in a car where opening the handle unlocked the door when it had a that kind of toggle lock. I'm sure it's out there and I'd expect someone like Doug to know better then me but it felt really wrong to me.
@@davidjobe2268 my e39 does it, though you might be right about the toggle switch style.
@@davidjobe2268 Mazda's do just that, with just about the same design door handle and lock latch
It's also a safety feature, so that driver or passenger won't accidentally open a door from the inside while the vehicle is in motion.
I love it. The increase in both peak and usable power is a big deal, and the styling is better too. They shaved a full second off the 0-60 time in the manual model. That's a lot. This car has been tested to do 0-60 in 5.8 to 6.0 seconds, and runs mid 14's in the 1/4 mile. That's decent for $30k, and a big upgrade over the outgoing model.
A 4 door accord 2.0t is faster still
@@livingaboard and that car will impress absolutely no one
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx I can't argue against that at all.
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx it will impress them once it beats the brz
@@rodneyburke2202 🤣
The most iconic feature that is startinf to fade away (which i wish wouldn't), is the old school real parking brake. The electrical finger operated one should still allow you to drift
Have you ever tried drifting with the pedal e brake?😂I've got one in my car but I don't wanna try it
@@tati-anaroseee4316 I think TheStraightPipes tried to do that in one video.
I don't want it to be gone for the simplicity of it and the fact that doesn't need an electric motor to work, hence depending on battery to operate, which is, in my POV, a major security flow.
Exactly, do you know how stupid I sound going "bro i need to replace the motor and sensor so my parking brake will work again"
Like, IT'S JUST A CABLE MAN CMON
@@profiigate1357 A cable can snap as well, old-school parking brakes can still break. Why do people think that cables never snap? Everything can break no matter it's electronic or mechanical. So people only complain when electronics break, but never complain when mechanics breaks?
Also why do people only complain about electronics in cars, but never complain about electronics in their own houses?
Based on the primary focus of most of the other controls and displays, I’mm gonna say that the Trip Reset button is that size and prominence for track-related purposes
Every time daddy Doug's hands meet together while he stands his left elbow lifts like a wing. I find it to be one of his many interesting quirks and features.
this is the kind of thing you can't unsee once you see it for the first time
Love driving my uncles 2017 BRZ Yellow Edition. Only has 10,000 miles on it and it always gets looks/compliments. Very fun car to drive. The new BRZ looks really good and the extra power is definitely a plus. If they come out with a Yellow Edition, I would get one. Great review!
How is there no yellow!?
buy one and wrap it in yellow
@@williebrown1974 for 2017 only 500 Subaru BRZ Series Yellow models will be sold in the U.S. Canada will get only 120 of the bright yellow coupes badged as the Inazuma Edition, which derives its name from the Japanese word for lightning.
@@tone3560 true, but the interior had the black and yellow theme with blacked out exterior emblems. Only 500 of them produced. Imo the best color edition Subaru came out with for the BRZ.
Doug, I am 80% sure those straps on the back of the rear seat are to release the latches from the trunk. That is how it is on my 1st gen.
Doug somehow makes me want to get every car he reviews
He probably could convince you to buy a Dodge Stratus so be carful.
Haha same!
@@peppapigthekiller7539 hah, "carful" I see what you did there
Well said
Mee too😂
The BRZ/86 is a good driving coach because it punishes you for losing speed on corners. While the power increase is welcomed, it is still not enough to allow drivers to use the extra power as a crutch for bad technique. Well played, Toyobaru!
lmao this bot is funny
This car looks awesome, all the simplicity of pre 2010 cars with some modern gems in it.
I appreciate that the small side panel blade behind the front wheels (that connects the side skirt and the front fender) is a standalone piece. I bet it can be removed with basic tools, and instantly give the car a more aftermarket/custom feel with wider looking fenders where a bit of the tyre shows on the side. Nice touch, and a small design detail that many people might miss at first glance. They know their audience!
They obviously didn’t know their audience for the WRX lol.
@@riley4198 LMAOO. They need a new EVO for competition
This is the review I was waiting for. Sure, drag races are nice, but I'm here for an exhaustive and comprehensive review of every single superficial feature of the car.
Genuinely. Thank you, Doug!
Doug is the best car reviewer PERIOD
@@yungboicontigo9278 is there a war between Lexus boys and demuro that im unaware of😂
Subaru nailed it with the design. Can't wait to see it in person.
I love when Doug takes off his showman's hat and actually gets critical. That's when I actually start paying real attention.
Couldn't agree more.
I’ve been watch Doug’s videos to go to sleep lately. It’s like sitting in the backseat of someone’s car, or watching Gordan Ramsay reruns. Mad props Doug.
Yo, Doug. You can fold the back seats down from the trunk. The fabric loops behind the seats, inside the trunk can be pulled to release the latches. This was true of the 1st gen stuff as well.
Doug in LA tent city be like: “BE SURE TO CHECK CARS AND BIDs!”
😂😂😂😂😂
Doug: The styling is better than the old version!
Also Doug: It has the same styling score though.
It’s not enough to say man I really want that car.
In his defence.
In 2013 the twins got a score in relation to the current times and competition
Now the new twins got a score in relation to the current times' competition etc....
For example 7 sec to 100 on a lamborghini countach....
Fast in 1980s
Slow in 2024
I've had 2 FRSs they were both excellent. Fun to drive, great balance and handling and a huge aftermarket for parts and personalization. If I didn't have 2 children I'd be getting the new one.
I had the original (FR-S) and it was one of the best cars i've ever owned....regret selling to this day but this new car looks amazing
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I love how you gave us a glimpse of cadillac CT5 blackwing !! 😃 Can't wait to watch your review on it 😍
Exterior leaves me a bit cold excepting the front end but I kinda like the interior - bare, functional and practical but with a certain Japanese style that really suits the car's raison d'etre. And of course it's naturally aspirated, low centre of gravity flat 4 is a unique selling point
It’s surprising to me that Doug brings up the HP numbers of this car & the last generation’s so frequently. This is obviously not a straight line car, it’s intended to be driving through a nice twisty back road, at the track. With the low point of gravity and a 7k redline is such a fun car you can toss around & not worry about wrecking it or getting into dangerous illegal speeds too quickly. Power in this car is not an issue if you drive it for it’s intended purpose. I’ve never owned this car but I would love to have one.
Exactly!
Also he didn't adequately describe the key upgrade on the torque side, not just peak torque but what rpm you achieve it. 185 lb ft at just 3700 rpm is a HUGE improvement over 156 lb ft all the way up at 6400 rpm
If you think like this before experiencing ownership, than this is the car for you, you get it
Elon musk disapproves using a button when a submenu would do. Why would anyone want to immediately be able to adjust temperature or fan speed?
Fr, it's too simple...it should be more complicated!!
I too like to crash when adjusting my air vents 😂
Who cares about what Elon musk thinks
Never seen any of your videos before, but I love how you're talking through such detail about quirks. That's really nice info to have for a buyer.
Boxer engine often has an oil leak. It costs $2000 to fix it in Japan. Some people paid $4500 for engine trouble. Subaru doesn't sell much in Japan because it takes time and money a lot after all.
Doug continues to ignore how much more trunk/cargo space this car has compared to the Mazda Miata, or even the Nisan Z.
The old BRZ is slow but that's the fun part, it's fast in the twisty roads, good for country driving and in comfort.
Lol your comment doesnt make any sense. This car is not for comfort and less power is uncomfortable. And less power is definetly not fun. New 400z has perfect amount of power. 200hp is WAY too little.
@@kaisuhina8024 even though it only has 200ish HP, this car is light, which makes it faster than most of cars these days with the same price range. Also you don't need 400ish hp to have a gun car. My dad's love his 100 HP Nissan wagon and he said it's fun to drive.
@@Roguisher your dad probably has different definition on what ”fun” means than most car guys. I agree that you dont need ”alot” of power to have fun car but 200hp is just way too little. I drive 300hp car and i feel like i could use way more. I was driving 200hp 325i couple days back and it just felt painfully slow.
The new one is too 😂
I love it - just one thing that I'd like to have as an option - real gauges instead of a screen - would be great to have a choice on that.
Agreed
gauges require a functioning brain that knows what it is looking at....
The styling on this new design is a home run ... love it!
I think this is the best car of the year, for price you buy a real sports car, which can be driven everyday. it's better in every way than a previous model, even though MX5 is more fun, as a car it's much better, even on the track it will perform much better, it's more stable, has better suspension, better chasis and better aero. I love MX5 but if i had to get 1 car, probably i would go for this. I also love that ducktail spoiler.
Just imagining how it would look in blue makes me drool. Thanks for walking us around the new BRZ and as always thank you for supporting us Europeans by taking the time to display the proper units. Looking foreword for your take on the new Nissan Z.
29k is an incredible deal for this car, same with the Toyota 86. If you don’t need a family car, this would be a great first new car.
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I don't understand how a car like this one can cost *29k* ... Modern car prices are insane
@@Sithhy yep, shouldn't be a red cent over 19,999.
This was once wrx territory
@@Sithhy Its japanese, you won't find the same from Germany.
Is it only me or he's the real life version of Sheldon talking enthusiastically about cars? Fun with Cars lol
I absolutely love this car, however, I think that 250 HP would be amazing given the size and proportions of this vehicle.
agreed, I think headers and tune will be enough to get it there. It would be nice if it was 250 from factory though :/
Wish they would have stuck with analog gauges. Maybe even added oil pressure and temp.
agreed
12:01 There's no trunk storage space underneath the floor. Doug Lifts up floor and BAM, I see storage cubbies under the floor.
My thoughts exactly lol, wondering if this model was missing some things since it’s for show? Not sure.
yes there's now storage there as they've cheapened the car by not putting in a spare tire and wheel.
@@meathead585 good eye
A bunch of us first gen owners invested a bit in headers and a tune. Add e85, and it's even better. The criticism of power - and the ludicrous torque dip, which was the real problem - was pretty much addressed without the cost/complication of a turbo. So we've had this type of engine response and power for years. If you're not one of those who constantly parrots the 'power' line and couldn't drive one to save themselves, it's still a great car. This 2nd gen model addresses most of the stuff out of the box that we spent money on to fix, which is great.
Can't believe Subaru made a car that actually looks good. It's been a while.
Exactly till you see the new wrx like ew wtf
That is because styling was done by Toyota xD
I grew up with manuals and this looks like a fun car and I actually love the fact its naturally aspirated. Drivers car.
Brz car
The og brz was a good platform, this hopefully will be a good platform with a good engine too.
I just got this car today and am really happy with jt
I guess an engineer finally won an argument against the marketing team.
The bubble is for helmets. The bubble is for helmets, Doug. You're a giant, frankly, and you have leagues of headroom. They expect you to track it. Hence the button.
I was curious to see how much 6 feet 4 inches, which is Doug's height, is in cm. He's 193, holy shit
@@isaac4273 Doug is only two inches shorter than the average NBA player height. Hims fuckin' tall.
I’m thinking about listing my Volvo 940 on Cars and Bids
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I haven’t seen you in years
Why did I read that as cars and birds?
yeah, get an electric one
Great…but this isn’t Cars and Bids. eBay sells cars too.
The markups on this are something else here in June 2023.
I finally figured out what Doug's voice reminds me of when he's in his over excited presentation mode: Jim Parsons voiced animated feature " Home " playing a purple alien named "Oh " . The similarity is very close especially his higher pitched enunciations
He did seem very excited about this one.
That’s great, I imagine after so many different ones, he really only gets going from the super weird and quirky.
Technology is here to make our lives easier. When it makes them harder, get rid of it. We want buttons. Thank you Subaru
Doug mentioning Lexus ISF fender vents, is this a tease that you did an ISF review recently?
He is referring to the old one.
No
Test drove this car last week. The biggest problem with the previous version, was the lack of torque in the midrange. There was a serious gap in power in the middle and it sometimes felt like I was driving my Impreza hatchback… but after I test drove this model last week… yeah, they fixed that midrange issue. The biggest thing they did to the newer vehicle was not the added HP, but the added 30+ LB-ft of Torque. No longer lacks in the mid range. This thing is an absolute pure joy to drive. You feel like a kid when you drive it and I was smiling the whole time. Yes, there better sports cars, but for 30k… You really can’t beat it in terms of pure fun to drive.
Ps. I’m between buying this, Toyotas GR 86 and a used Porsche Cayman. Suggestions are welcome haha! We love Doug!
I bought a 2022 brz last month.. im at 1200 miles. The thing comes alive around 1000 miles. Get the BRZ and you wont regret it. Gr86 looks better but theres usually markups with toyota dealerships
Like the MX-5 Miata, they keep the power low to lower the price and lower monthly insurance costs, and if you track day it you can add a turbo or supercharger aftermarket. The older Scions had a factory turbo as an option, added by a dealer that did not void the factory warranty. The older Supra is known for its inline 6 strong enough to handle a lot of extra power, many hope the proposed inline 6 Mazdas are similar, not just an unreliable BMW inline 6 like some of the newest Supras.
No. They didn’t have a factory turbo as an option.
The older Scion TC had a factory turbo as a dealer installed option, not the FRS.
@@jeffruebens8355 this I never knew about. Most that do this usually offers supercharger