Subaru fixed the 2022 BRZ's torque problem, says math | Revelations with Jason Cammisa | Ep. 02
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.พ. 2021
- Months away from production, no journalists have driven the Mk2 BRZ - but we've spent some time with its specs. And a calculator.
The BRZ's torque curve tells an important story: adjusted for weight and gearing, at almost all engine speeds, the 2022 BRZ will pull harder than a 181-hp Mazda MX-5 ND2 Miata - a car that is almost universally agreed does not need a turbo.
The problem with the old, 2.0-liter BRZ wasn't its peak torque - it was the outrageously high engine rpm required to hit that peak; the torque dip in the everyday rpm range; and the uninspiring noise the engine made. The Mk2 BRZ and Toyota GT86 solve that with a new FA24 engine variant - and fake engine sounds coming through the stereo speakers.
Adding a turbocharger at the manufacturer level means a cascading avalanche of cost. Had Subaru put a turbo on the 2022 BRZ, it would likely follow in the footsteps of every other affordable, sporty coupe: it would become so expensive that it would die off.
Toyota already has a $50,000, turbocharged four-cylinder "sports car" - the base Supra. (Which is also not a Toyota.) The BRZ is meant to be inexpensive, and if Subaru reengineered the whole car to cope with the turbo's weight and torque, it would likely cost (and weigh) as much as the Supra. And then, like the F80 BMW M3 and F82 M4, its limit handling would be compromised.
Watch as techy automotive journalist Jason Cammisa uses math to demonstrate that - before anyone's even driven the new BRZ - we know it'll be quicker than a Miata.
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"They're all dead because you got greedy." He's right.
Truth hurts. But people vote with their dollars. While everyone was making a stink about sports cars not being fast enough, everyone bought crossovers. Not me personally, but you know, most of the car buying market.
Indeed. Its actually more enjoyed than a car with rocket like acceleration
@@redlion145 i would also argue that you can point a lot of that at the number of enthusiasts dropping overall.
OMFG i love this rant its so effing pure and true,in a sea of boats and tanks we only have so little choices now
Most of it is just market forces. The faux minivans have taken over the car market. Some Zs and Silvias had turbos and sold extremely well, some didn't and have languished ... they've been left out because the money makers are crappy minivans with doors that open out.
Adding Jason Cammisa to Hagerty is probably the single best business decision they made in 2020
Only reason why I subbed
Adding Jason Cammisa to anything is the best business decision one can make
Enjoy seeing Magnus stepping up his game too.
I was already subscribed, but now I activated the notification bell.
Jason is greaaat.
You know what up! I couldn't agree more.
Jason Cammisa's arrival at Hagerty is the best thing ever.
fancy seeing u here
Can’t hold a job down.
Yes
The dude is pretty damn good at what he does.
agreed
thank you for explaining to the power addicts that there's other aspects to a fun car
Having driven 2 of the original ones (well one was a Toyota, but the same thing) and it needs more power, but no more than maybe 50hp and a similar increase in torque. It just had that horrible wheezy feeling, like it’s own engine couldn’t quite keep up with the rest of the experience.
Did it need more than 300hp? Absolutely not, it would have overpowered the chassis and made power the only feature. Same with the old NB MX-5, a little supercharger wakes it up just enough to get it going, but more power makes it way too much
Also get a sport bike if you want to go fast on a budget
Theres no point in trying to explain, the average driver just will not understand. Just like when people ask Keiichi Tsuchiya if he will upgrade his AE86 to a newer sports car, he just says, "No."
I’ve owned 30+ cars. And when I drove a brz, I couldn’t stay ahead of a non racing Honda odyssey while I’m shifting at 5000rpm. That just sux. Idc how well it handles. There’s a lot more straight road/acceleration situations then there are “ twisty bits that you’re gonna kick ass” on
@@hansolo6827 ya if the honda doesnt mind spinning tires all day what can you do in any manual car vs an auto lol
“Guess what happens, it gets so expensive you can’t afford it.”
-Jason dropping hard truths
@America Isnotademocracy Hhhmm, yes, limitless. That's why GM, which is the automotive company that most approaches this, doesn't offer a manual in the C8. Neither does BMyota in the Supra. Neither does Subaru in any model but the BRZ in Europe.
If a company's product doesn't sell, why would they bother making it? It's futile. Nothing is free, even for the execs that pocket most of the revenue in almost any company.
@America Isnotademocracy No such thing as limitless money. And if they had it, you wouldn't see any of it.
@@lfox02 GM also got Tremec to whip them up a custom DCT that's just for the C8, the real saving cost would be the shared platform of the V8.
Funny enough. The new BRZ motor is pretty much the Turbo 2.4L you can already find in Subie's new line up. Just without the Turbo and some other modifications.
@@DragonKnightX12 True.
I feel like thats not the case. They put turbos on eco boxes these days. WRX cost about the same and has a turbo, so does the mustang. Toyota on the other hand rarely uses turbos. And the one place they do use a turbo is their supra. Why would you want to buy a supra if you could get the brz for cheaper? I feel like thats the real reason
I am far more excited about this car than almost any other modern car. Almost as excited as I am to have more Jason Cammisa content.
When I was getting ND2 Miata a year ago BRZ was an option and it lost due to that engine. If I had to choose now (or next year) then 2022 BRZ would probably be the winner.
I'm 98% as excited for this car as I am for the GRRRR Yaris, but I can get this in the US, so this wins! (we're all winners with Cammisa contents though!)
the GR Yaris is pretty exciting too tho....
@@ezraariq7568 Agreed, but honestly, the Yaris GRMN had me more excited when it first came out.
I daily drive a 1st GEN BRZ and it does not need a turbo. This car is for fun, not for speed in straight line. And it's not slow by any means. Gets good gas milage, easy on the maintenance. This handles great and puts a smile on your face. Don't let the car drive you, learn to drive and drive the car.
doesnt need a turbo, but the engine is pretty lackluster as a 2L
@@arcanevoid9199 2nd gen is much faster. I have both gens. 2nd gen in terms of acceleration is on par with the original Nissan 350z...and obviously handles 1 million times better than that.
Absolutely agree with you, I got a 2017 limited 6mt performance package and enjoy every shift at 7400 rpms.
Finally someone with a proper vision about the BRZ, it's not about perfomance figures, it's about the sheer driving experience which this car excells at, keeping it NA is a very smart move from Subaru and Toyota because it makes it a possible sports car to own, unlike the other sport cars which can be twice it's price or even more.
Most of the popular hot hatches are faster doe
@@lacrosse4higher they expensive simple
@@siddheshpillai3807 not really. I bought a 2018 GTI for $19k after taxes and it only had 20k miles on it. Still a modern car, leds, lsd, CarPlay, etc. depends on what you want your car to do. The new BRZ is more limited in practicality but i still want to test one out and see what they’re all about, might change my mind after a drive
@@lacrosse4higher It isn't a sports car though and the experience you get driving a light, manual, RWD car cannot be replicated in FWD. You have an infinite amount of choices for how to take a corner while in FWD hatches you really have no choice but to go off throttle in the corner or you'll lose all grip and understeer. You don't realize how much of a change it can be until you spend some time in each. And I own an example of each so I'm not talking out of turn.
@@lacrosse4higher The hot hatches are zero effort, you just drop a turbo engine into a low cost commuter car and stiffen up the suspension.
Nailed it. The more people complain about sport cars “not having enough,” the more crossovers we’ll end up with.
It's not actually that black and white. Maybe the car manufacturers should offer that car with those "missing" features. No one who is market for sports coupe decides to buy crossovers just because some car doesn't have active cruise or something.
Also if Subaru Toyota added turbo on BRZ and GT86 mind be have problem... With hmm engines light.
@@mrjdmtunerboy.1463 Do you know what that problem would be? Supra, who would buy 45-55k car when you could buy turbo gt86 for 36k or something
oof the accuracy lol
@@DuBstep115 my crossover has more hp
Damn this is a good video. Particularly when he goes off on the death of affordable sports cars. Couldn't agree more
also when he sits on the BRZ's engine lol
The cars he listed where Japanese, and where made for the strong 80s Japanese economy bubble, and the strong 90s world economy. Japan fell in the 90s and the world fell in the late 2000s and are slowly coming back today. Also affordable American sports cars are and where still being made.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 affordable American what? The ecoboost mustang is the closest thing we have to an “affordable” sports car because you can up the boost a little and drift it. Otherwise it’s 40k for any V8 muscle car (RT doesn’t count, after adding LSD it’s about 40k) and we don’t do light and quick V6/i4 RWD coupes anymore. You get a GT86 because you want a GT86, you get a V6 Camaro because you couldn’t afford the SS, regardless of truth that will always be the perception.
I'm with you! At 47 I'm old enough to remember when "affordable" sports or sporty coupes were about handling, tossabilty, and just enough power to have fun wringing it out during your commute, while (mostly) staying within legal speed limits. A 0-60 time anywhere between 7-9 seconds was fine because it was about smiles per mile, while looking cool, not having pin you into your seat acceleration. Like you Jason, I bemoan that these cars virtually no longer exist aside from the BRZ/86 and Miata. Hell as a Honda guy I miss the CR-X!
I always liked the BRZ/GT86, but after understanding it more, I appreciate it a whole lot more.
We took those 90s everyday sports cars a bit for granted
That torque adjusted graph is the best journalism I've ever seen.
I've long been waiting for people to start looking at the torque integral (the area underneath the curve over full rev range) ... and then start piecing together that area at each shift point from ... say... 0-100, 0-150, 60-150, etc.
That graph was the closest I've seen.
Not even Engineer Ex touches Calc I material.
someone should point that out to CNN and Fox News, because all they care about is fudged "facts" and propaganda, they just cater to different party bases. If only politics could be divided, yet still remain civil and based upon a combination of science and real world experiences... Automotive, Computing, and Music Gear news channels one TH-cam are more honest than other news sources, and have more journalistic integrity, and it's sad. That said, I'm not complaining that this guy does it right! MORE PLEASE!
@@APsupportsTerrorism That has always bothered me so much. The fact that people always focus on peak numbers is so annoying.
@@APsupportsTerrorism What, are you telling me that peak horsepower is not everything? I joke but video game reviewers are starting to show frame time graphs so maybe car reviews can catch up.
Excellent affordable sports car rant, Jason
@@bradleyb9424 do expand on this. I’m curious as to why
@@bradleyb9424 It's proper sentence structure, Hoss.
@@bradleyb9424 No ... its called a pause then say his name. Like your an idiot, PAUSE, Bradley B ...
Not affordable at all. Only second hand.
@@paulreza5354 some of us CAN afford an $80k car ...
I need a Hagerty shirt that says,
Affordable sports cars...
"Their all died because you got greedy"
This is literally the best youtube video I have ever seen. This guy is passionate, and on point.
Actually sounds more like a sell out
You don’t even know what that term means dingus. Jason Cammisa has always been legit, and has never been afraid to tell the truth, even if a car sucks. That’s the opposite of selling out
Also another MUST SEE channel is called "Fort Nine" motorcycle channel. Even if you know nothing about motorcycles, the guy makes the most hilarious videos you'll ever see.
Such a good point, once thing leads to another; which leads to yet another and the point of the BRZ - which an affordable sports car - is no longer affordable.
hey ive seen u somewhere before
ur the best in the business
Yo just get a 400z for the extra 5 grand you get 400hp and it looks pretty similar
@@TonyCrispruby exactlyyyy and the twin turbo 🤤🤤 sport packages even
@@phillip_83yt24 The 400Z is much heavier than a miata/BRZ, it’s closer in weight to a mustang
The WRX and Mustang are in the same price range and have a turbo. I feel like they are holding back to Toyota can sell their supras that do have turbos.
Jason naming all those cars in a single breath must be man's greatest literary achievement.
Its called old school method of remembering. OR it was on the screen prompt or already written down for him to read off, just had to do so while not making it look obvious.
Yeah, look at his eyes
True, he just missed the Supra MK3 :D
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam Yeah, notes + it was like 10 breaths :P
@TH-cam Sucks i have been registered with TH-cam for 8 yrs now and only 3 people have commented on my username and you are number 3. So either nobody is paying attention or nobody cares.
Well said. It is shocking how many sports coupes we've lost over the years. The BRZ/GR86 is the replacement we should all be thrilled about.
Finally someone who changed my whole perspective on the Brz/86!
Finally, a rational discussion about the non-turbo controversy. Brilliantly stated Jason, thanks
People act like these cars don't have all the aftermarket support you could ever ask for
Engineering explained did an excellent video on it weeks ago.
He really nailed it. People need to appreciate this car and be thankful that we have it. The new gen looks great and improves some of the previous shortcomings while not costing a ton more money.
this guy just sold you an expensive car with no turbo by convincing you it doesn't need a turbo lmao
@@josemartinez280 But it’s not an expensive car...
Random person on the internet: “If Subaru adds a turbo to the BRZ I will buy it.”
Subaru: “Adds turbo”
Random person on the internet: “It’s too expensive, I can’t afford this, and it lost the balance that it had, they should have kept it the way it was.”
Subaru: “Oh for fucks sakes!”
Spot on.
Or you know people actually would buy it🤷♂️ I bought a wrx over a brz for just this reason.
@@BigfootUnibrowMan But there’s already a car for those people, it’s the 4 cylinder Supra.
@@BRZFA24 I think other problems why people didn't buys supra because is didn't have manuals and yes 4 cylinder model even expensive and disappointed with is price point. My opinion I take GT86 BRZ over 4 cylinders supra
@@mrjdmtunerboy.1463 I would take the BRZ over the Supra any day, does not matter if it comes with 205HP or 228HP as long as it comes with a 6 MT (which it will). :)
The subtle glow on the “blow me” hoodie was priceless 😂
The difference between TH-camrs and automotive journalists makes itself super clear through the quality of any video that Jason and team create. Another amazing video! Thank you!
We owe it to future 16 year olds to buy these now, so they can buy them off us later and share in our experiences of buying something that someone else destroyed but looks sick and used to run good.
Sadly all 16 year olds know how to drive is automatic.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 do your part and teach them!
My brz right now
16 year olds don't even care about driving. They all take uber or drive a prius. I say screw them. I had a twin turbo pro tuned bmw and plenty of other sports cars and my 06 Pilot might be the best car I ever owned lol.
@@anonymoususer1824 you're part of the problem
"they're all dead because you got greedy"
so true.
"they're all dead because you got smart with your money"
Car manufacturers: Wait, you are not supposed to do that.
@@DuBstep115 Honestly over half of the cost of a car is purely in engineering. As far as materials go, no car truly costs more than 10-20k in materials to build.
I wish car companies would eat the cost on engineering so they could bring cheaper cars to the market, I think the increased sales from the lower price point would outweigh the cost in engineering.
It's also weird when you look at a car like the 2015+ wrx. Each year it gets more expensive despite literally no changes in mechanics or otherwise. It is just wrong haha
@@ErectileSceptile Cars are sold with zero or even negative profit. They rely on parts and maintenance to make up the engineering, production and other costs. That's why even in 2021 cars tend to fail at 100k.
i.e light bulb conspiracy
Nope, so false.. The "not having enough" argument is idiotic. It's simple human nature to always want more. In crossovers too, people always want more.. Will that be to blame for their likely waning interest in the future? Highly unlikely.. More realistically, it's just trends.. Whatever is trendy is the determinant factor, not human nature. In this case (as many) greed, which a constant.
less income, more debt also. No nice bubble economy salary boosts for young
I've had my 22 brz since December and I love the car to death. Easily the best driving experience I've ever had. I wish people would respect the car more for what it is.
I always hated the "it needs a turbo" i honestly thought a small supercharger would be better but you definitely highlighted the issues, Thank you.
That's where tuning companies come into play. Want slighly more power - slap Cosworth supercharger on it.
It's a breath of fresh air in a world where most ICE cars for the mass markets are so numb, heavy, laggy and over-complicated. I will get one when my 1st gen BRZ become too broken one day, and then pass it to my kids.
yep. same. I love it that it has no turbo. Maybe i can buy one soon. I'm from eastern europe and this car costs as much as a house lol
Same here pretty much, and my BRZ has ended up being a dirt-road monster instead because that 'weak torque' turns out to be almost EXACTLY perfect for off-asphalt driving. It's just enough you CAN spin the tires, but not so much you're fighting to get grip.
The 2nd gen models I'm excited to see what happens with, there's a LOT of promise that instead of being a "great platform for tinkering" it'll just be an amazing car bone stock with zero complaints.
240sx but for the their generation
Your kids are so lucky to receive a BRZ one day! It is a brilliant car!
so you're saying you neglect maintenance? dafuq
You are correct; it needs a supercharger.
it needs a nuclear reactor and a hyperdrive and instant transmission and a Bunta Fujiwara Clone that drives for you etc.
I guess a few more hp is good
Lol honestly, I think a supercharger fits these cars the best. Especially a positive displacement. Very Lotus-like!
@@michaelw2263 Waaaaaaah is never not appreciated.
Superchargers are actually even more expensive than turbos
I replaced the exhaust system on my 2018 model 86 with a 2.5inch exhaust and high flow cat and as a result the torque dip is gone, better fuel economy and a nice sound to boot.
I have no intention to boost the car as I am still happy with an NA engine (owned a few Celicas) and certainly don't regret not having a turbo or supercharger.
Yeah I got a UEL header and full 2.5" exhaust with a tune and the car drives much better torque dip is hardly noticeable. I think If you buy one of these cars and leave it stock your kind of missing the point of owning one.
Agreed. Tune it for e85 for an extra 20-30whp. I’m not joking.
Heya! The "fake engine noise" isn't actually a fake noise; it's projecting the sound of your engine into the cabin for the track. When you turn the sound off, it's too quiet to hear when you need to shift. A lot of racers think it's fake engine noise (because of this misinformation lol) so they turn it off, but come track day they're turning it back on.
Thank you for speaking the truth on the Subaru BRZ’s cost as an affordable sports car. It’s a bit harsh, but it’s true. There is a sad reason why only the Mazda Miata and Toyota 86 are still around today as rivals, even the great Honda S2000 had to move on. I miss the Mitsubishi Eclipse, Nissan 240SX, Acura Integra, Toyota Celica, and Honda Prelude too. 😔🙏
Jason, using common sense with an analytical explanation on the tremendous downsides of a turbo BRZ from an OEM standpoint. Potential 3rd owner with 550 credit score: "Yeah but it should have a turbo."
Inb4 it needs more power to make up for my bad driving skills
Having owned the first 86… that torque dip was a challenge. I loved the NA engine, but in daily driving it was very noticeable.
A new header and e85 flexfuel kit (I.e. pretty cheap mods) fixed it and made the car SO MUCH better!
So this new one still being NA but having decent torque = 🎉🎉🎉😊
You’ve made this channel my new favorite automotive TH-cam channel. I always learn something new.
And oh how I miss those sports coupes from back in the day.
This man singlehandedly made me decide to purchase this in either late 2021 or early 2022.
Buy a used one...shits incredibly overpriced new and super lackluster. For 1/2 to 1/3rd the cost you can get a much better and faster used car, or bump up another 1-3k dollars over a new BRZ and get a new full power sports car like mustang, charger, camaro, and many more
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 I appreciate your advice, but I don't care. It's a Subaru. The cars are "overpriced" ($29k is actually NOT that expensive for a brand new sports car) because Subarus are over-engineered. This is a non-turbo Subaru. This thing will last far longer than any American Muscle could ever hope to. Especially with proper maintenance. I'm not gonna want a subie bro's sloppy vape-filled seconds when it comes to this. I'm also buying this in Manual since that is a dying breed.
In short, I don't care that I can get an SN95 for $3k. I want this Subaru.
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 Two different types of cars. It's like comparing a katana to a broadsword.
I'm definitely getting ome but I'm going to wait a year so they can sort out the bugs.
@@postalpancho
That’s probably a good idea but god I don’t know how much longer I can wait
Jason deserves his own show! Or at the very least, a spot on a Top Gear type show! He's always entertaining and enjoyable to watch! More Jason Camissa content, please!
Imagine Jason and Chris Harris together on Top Gear
Agreed
I'm happy with him on this show, why change what's working?
You and Chris Harris are untouchable when it comes to this, keep it up!
Jason > Chris Harris
Genuinely fun review; you have a terrific approach to explaining the details of this car. The comparisons are valuable, and fun. thanks!
Note to self: Test drive a 2022 BRZ and get ready to buy it.
You won't be disappointed - I have the toyota 86 automatic and it's a blast ! not that fast but so light and fun to drive .
Yes! One of the last affordable driver's cars! Let's keep it that way!
Extremely well done, and I couldn’t agree more with every point. Professionally produced and spot-on. Subscribed.
Jason’s 911r review was one of the nicest car review I have ever came across. Too bad not available anyone more on TH-cam
Exactly, always complaining and want a car to have everything and be everything but cant even afford a $30,000 car
And even if they could afford it, they would end up with a suv instead.
Jason made this exact point when he was on Smoking Tire Podcast.
@@fabioribeiro5071 complete fantasy bs. No enthusiast would be cross shopping this car to end up with a crossover when there's options like the Civic Si, GTI, Mustang, Camaro, Elantra GT out there. If you end up with the SUV then u were never an enthuasiast
The same guys on the internet who "won't buy a car with no manual" and then say that they'll "buy it used" when manufacturers do offer the manual.
@@papa_pt can they afford a $30,000, yeah, maybe, but they can only afford ONE and with baby momma due with the little blessing in 3 months, they buy the suv and “with plans of buying this car in 4 years when its used and ill strap a turbo with my income tax refund”. That’s who we’re referring to. Or at least me
And don't forget, they gave us this car in a world where every great name , everything we used to like is now a crossover or electric yukkk!!
Great video, subscribed!
If you’re referencing the Mach E, sounds like you’ve developed an opinion before actually driving it. It drives better than a “real” mustang.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe stfu 4 eyes.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe it’s garbage
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe "Drives better"
Yeah, I doubt it.
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe better isn't always "better". My favorite city car to date is a gen 2 mazdaspeed 3. The torque steer was buckets of fun, but is objectively bad.
Jason does great videos. As entertaining and insightful as the good old days at TG with Clarkson, Hammond and May. Thanks! Keep the content. coming,
I got a 2017 my senior year if high school, it’s been almost three years and I’ve loved every moment in it
Front engine rwd, multi-point fuel injection, low and torquey boxer block, torque biasing helical differential, and a backseat for under 1.5 tons and 28k USD - This is as practical as a true sports car is gonna get.
Oooooh I'm into this. - Zack
What, that's where the podcases went. Didn't know there was a second channel.
Bobby- you're looking at now, sir.
What is this, a crossover episode?
That's not the actual channel
I love your passion Jason! Huge fan. I've watched this video several times, and even test drove that exact model. It is even better looking in person. I LOVED the car. It's exceptionally balanced in every way ... it's a perfect automotive recipe. Keep up the fantastic work Jason. Thank you.
Ed, you are right. It is much better looking in person. It looks lower, too, than in the pictures. I crawled all over it at the Los Angeles auto show (Nov ‘21). Driver’s seat is excellent. Feels like it will keep you in place in the turns. I initially thought the 215 tires might be too narrow but after seeing the car I think that the 215/40x18 size look appropriate. The fact that you have driven one got my attention because there is not one new BRZ at any of the five San Diego county Subaru dealers (Jan. ‘22). Let’s hope the dealers aren’t going to be disgustingly greedy like the Chevy dealers are with the C8 Corvette.
I've always loved Jason's commentary. Glad to be able to find him again on TH-cam.
I can't explain how perfect Jason went over everything. 11/10
Hagerty, your channel is so huge and you probably won't read this comment because you get so many, but I just wanted to say THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. This presenter is EXACTLY what I want to see from a car enthusiast analysis. This guy GETS it. My goodness, this video brings a tear to my eye. THANK YOU!!!
🥲
Jason Cammisa might be the best American car journalist. Sadly you can’t watch his old MotorTrend stuff on TH-cam but any of his videos are great
@@nathanchildress5596 I found some of them on the web as tire rack
Haggerty + Jason Cammisa videos are my favorite. Such an effortless yet passionate presenter. Great stuff!
so true. they killed so many good cars. it is sad to see they don’t exist anymore. the 90’s was a golden age
That knee pop @7:52 is VERY RELATABLE
Haha! Right when I heard that. I had to pause and see if anyone mentioned it in the comments!
OUCH.
Heard it too. Hahha thats me too, old boy problems.
That interior looks nice to me. Buttons for all functions related to the car, easy climate control, good gauges and carplay with a large enough screen. But I don't buy new cars, so it's not like my opinion really matters!
The styling/layout/etc can be nice, but I think he is mainly referring to the quality of materials.
I agree. I feel that unless you're used to nicer new cars/are an auto journalist, most interiors are good enough for the average consumer. It's all about perspective.
The interior, at least for me, is not a top priority. I want the performance, driving dynamics, overall brilliance and fun factor to take over each and everytime I drive a car.
@@mathurinkerbouchard8931 i wish this was more focused but realistically our market is way too small compared to an average consumer market. they follow the money and you can’t blame.
I wouldn't mind the interior, It's not supposed to be a luxury car.
Jason
I love these videos.
Please don't ever stop making them!
So glad Jason is back on camera. More of this more more !
This guy changed my whole outlook on this car, thank you
I'm glad he explained how they fix the torque curve. That was the biggest issue.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 , headers + tune and you don't have it anymore ;-)
Jason is so good at giving facts based information with an entertaining style. He really makes you think about what is really going on in the car industry. He is a great addition to Hagerty.
I bet Motor Trend is missing his entertaining commentary for viewers. Jason is a big draw for viewers. I am always looking for his newest video. Keep up the great videos.
Matthew Gilbert - Much agreed!
Amen
Motortrend is a bust now, content is just crap
You put all my feelings into words. Thank you.
Lago and Cammisa are the best Motor Trend had and lost them both. I feel it’s only a matter of time before they lose Pobst as well.
Jason always puts a huge smile on my face. Honestly, what a great guy!
As anticipated, an incredible clarified video! Kudos.
Something about the outro when he slaps the trunk of the new BRZ just makes me shed a happy tear.
Great video. As a Miata ND2 owner I am happy to see the BRZ get some of the love it deserves. Also, even happier that I won’t have to hear the awful noise that comes out of the original. I’d just add that, yes, you probably can spend almost 40k on a Miata, but really all the best stuff can be had for right at 30. Club package, LSD, soft top, heated seats, done.
Learned a lot from this episode! Subscribed!
5:34 dude spit such hard facts
Subscribed for that alone
I never thought the BRZ was a failure. I am willing to bet that it will remain popular decades after production stops just like the 240sx.
I died at ‘you can buy a Supra!’ 😂😂
Lmao that was underrated! 😂😂
Such a good line!
Love the amount of information
Keep it coming
Automotive Journalism at its finest!! So many great points made in every video bringing new perspectives and a fresh looks at things we usually take for granted!! Great job as always Jason and Hagerty crew!!!
Wonderful. Also, thank you for not murdering us with ads.
actually youtube hit the nail on the head here. suggested me someone i never have seen before for something i havent searched in like 4 years. but it really feels like since i uploaded the photo of the frs sideways on my google profile i have been getting much more suggestions for frs related videos it seems like
This is a very analytic review, specially the price point issues with the turbo and extra stuff that would increase the car price. Hey Jason, we need more videos like this. I liked the video!!
You're so on point on why we have no more affordable sports cars like before. We have so few today compared to back then.
Your video wins the internet Jason.
You win the internet.
You’re so good at what you do, please don’t stop.
Ever.
The second-gen BRZ is the most interesting car to come out since... well, the first BRZ/FRS. More power, a lot more torque, same weight, still manual - it's a classic.
Best video on the BRZ that I have ever seen. He explains why the Turbo is not needed in the BRZ with facts. Plus there is more that straightline speed and power on a spec sheet. This car ( and the Toyota GR 86) have character, affordable, reliable cool sport cars .
Love your grounded analysis!
This guy....WE NEED MORE OF THIS GUY😁
It's so good to have Jason back on TH-cam! Keep up the great work.
Top-quality video for many reasons. Instant sub 👏👏
Love all your content. Thank you
After this perfectly rational presentation, people are still going to say, “But I want a turbo...”
They can buy Mustang :D Or BMW .. or whatever.
@@JimBobDewayne, in our country it will have double price of gr86 I think. :D Also the chassis wasn't changed .. So, it will be the same Japan Mustang.
Considering Dodge was slapping a Turbo on a car (SRT 4) and selling it for 20K 20 years ago, please stop with the excuses for this company and this car.
@@Gotallofthem1 idk with force induction, you’re looking at $36,000+ with larger brakes, better suspension components, and weight.
That’s where your aftermarket tunning comes in if you want.
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Like Jason said, it’s meant to be an affordable sports car.
@@Gotallofthem1 , nobody trying to excuse. You have a wise choise of turbo cars. Please, select what you want ;-)
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME COMMON SENSE
I may need to test drive one of these. Great sales pitch! Its nice to see the kiss method applied for a change for pure driving experience
You’re right about the torque dip. 3-4K rpms in my manual Mazda3 feels glorious. The power just builds.
TH-camrs be like, lemme put a widebody and bags on it
Really wanting more sports cars with the same mind set that Subaru and Toyota have with the BRZ twins. Low cost, great handling and reliable... We need more of this.
Also, I want one.
I am glad Jason Cammisa found another job reviewing cars. He was good with Motor Trend and I wish he was still there. I am excited to drive this BRZ when it hits showroom floors. (:
This is - thank you very much sir - THE MOST EXACT, MOST TRUE AND MOST EDUCATING car presentation I have seen in YEARS!
(Should be taught in school, this, really...)
I just love watching Jason’s reviews. It’s like what automotive journalism should be like. Unbiased and to the point. Thanks Jason. Now did he say BRZ STI? 😃
Great video. You hit everything on the head man. All of your points are valid, logical, well-thought out, and backed by research. Oh yeah, I was with you for most of the fun cars that you named. I didn't know about a few of them.
Excellent video, you get exactly what the BRZ and GR86 are all about. You have a new sub! 😄
Creative interesting delivery....thank you
Hoodie game on point!
Awesome to see you guys here. Also: Lexus ftw!
Absolutely! There are entire videos explaining why we don’t need a turbo. Ugh.
@@petermuller161 yeee
When I see a video with Jason in it I click so fast and watch it like a small puppy looking lovingly at his owner with a treat in its hands.
Great honest and hard criticism of consumers. People don't know what they want, I think this is why the sports car market has subsided in recent years.
This was a great review, sorry about the pandemic, but thanks for the calculator work, great to see the torque improvemnts.